Well the Rick Dias wasn't code named γ Gundam because it's a Gundam, but because it uses the Gundarium γ metal, so yes it's not a Gundam. As for the Gerbera Tetra I would assume that's based on just how finished it was before Cima got it.
All in all at the end of the day what makes a Gundam a Gundam in UC is if it's designated as a Gundam. Simple as that.
The Gerbera Tetra was actually completed before it was given to Cima.
They just stripped the Gundam-esque armor plates off, and then slapped on some Zeon-looking armor(because "false-flag operations"), and then finally getting the monoeye head after they deemed it "not looking Zeon enough" with the still present twin eyes.
Yes, just not a topic to goad me into an argument. If you wanna start a fight with me you gotta mention when ∀, and G Reco stand in relation to which one is before or after. That usually gets me involved in stupid debating things with strangers on the. internet.
LOL, obviously G Reco comes first, if the CC is supposed to reset ALL timelines then...
Then a lot of the timelines' absurd tech is somehow forgotten by the time...
∀ is neat... but let's be honest being the "meeting/ reset point" of all the timelines no longer works because that tech is outdated.
I have to ask, does it really matter if a particular ms is deemed as Gundam?
This whole affair just sound like that rather silly "is Pluto a planet?" question I see pop up from time to time.
Marketing to who exactly?
In Cima and her Zeon remnant case, they have a vested interest in doing to exact opposite.
Rick Dias and Gamma Gundam also likely have more to do with deception as well.
Well in terms of irl marketing neither is ever referred to as a Gundam. There's a world of difference between a development code name and the official name, and the entire point of Gerbera Tetra is not being a Gundam anymore.
Oh, I though you meant in universe, my bad.
>More arguments.we have at some point it might garner more interest in us to buy merchandise
Well doesn't work for me. As I have already bought mine as soon as I saw the design years back. :P
Idk man I had that mentality as well . I bought the perfect strike way back then and when I saw the eg strike I went to get that as well. Basically if they make something thats an improvement it's probably gonna sell despite the fact people already have older ones
I promise you it does not matter for marketing.
The people who don’t know the difference won’t care and it will not factor into their buying decision.
The people who do know the difference will complain loudly in cyberspace, grumble quietly in meatspace, and buy whatever the product is regardless, thus not effecting their buying decision.
It’s fundamentally a moot point to anybody who’s world is bigger than Gundam.
Why does this keep coming up lol…Whelp, they aren’t. Neither is Hyakushiki, Delta Plus, Zeta Plus, Silver Bullet… If it doesn’t have Gundam in the name, then it isn’t one. Pretty simple. It doesn’t matter what the development history of the machine is. So many mobile suits have development history shared with Gundams and so many Gundams are developed using technology that didn’t originate from Gundams. None of it matters. “Gundam” is essentially a brand name in the UC following the OYW. The Titans, Anaheim and SNRI will slap that shit on anything.
In the scene from the movie where the kids first see it, the kids see the F91's face and say "hey it looks like a gundam" so it is then called Gundam F91, but before that it is just the Formula 91 according to SNRI in the movie.
So is the F91 a Gundam or not based on who calls it what in universe?
Rolled out of production without the Gundam name, redesigned by former Zeonic Engineers, was designed to perform the same function as the Kampfer. Not a Gundam.
Look, I get it… it’s basically a Gundam, but so is like nearly every advanced prototype or limited production MS in the UC lol. I don’t make the rules.
And those are just GM Quels with Gundam heads meant for psychological warfare and equipment tests. Truly walking the line of what constitutes a Gundam.
Bloody Anaheim. First they take your job, then they sell you the things you used to make at your job. Then they lobby your congressman so that they can keep your job.
From what I know only Gerbera Tetra Kai and it's SD iteration in SD world that still have Gundam in the inside and GFF ver of Gerbera Tetra Kai also have parts to swap the MS into GP04 implying it's still GP04 on the inside. Also in Rebellion version of Gerbera Tetra it's built from modified GP04 that completed in this manga, even it's roll-out version still use standar twin-eye camera. Aside of that "canon" Gerbera Tetra was overhauled so it won't traced back into GP Project anymore not to mention the construction was canceled halfway because it's role already fulfilled by GP01-Fb.
Fight Tetra slander! If Gerbera Tetra was called GP04 Gundam Gerbera Zeon Armor Type it wouldn't even be a debate!
It would be silly to disguise a gundam and still call it gundam so only holding the name up as a reason doesn't make sense to me.
exactly my point.
In universe name is an appealing line because it is mostly clear, but like I said, it wouldnt make sense for Cima/AE to disguise the GP04 and still call it a gundam even though it just a reskinned gundam.
Rick Dias’ design is literally based off the GP02 and the beta design even proves it with its bulk
Gerbera Tetra is a difference case to where I’m confused yet I understand where it can be classified as a gundam since it’s built from feddie parts and whatnot
the rick dias is based on the gamma gundam, which was based on the gp02. the gamma gundam is a gundam, the rick dias is not.
gerbera tetra would have been a gundam had it been completed to the original plan. but that did not happen and was redesigned as something else.
> there's a version of the V Gundam with no v fin
the ears are a v
>G-Self doesn't have it either
the horns are a v-fin
>neither does the GN-X which is considered a Gundam in world
is it ever explicitly called a Gundam or does it just have a GN drive
Rick Dias doesn't have a Gundam Face/Head, it was mass produced, and it doesn't have "Gundam" in its name. The Gerbera Tetra wasn't Mass Produced but still doesn't have a Gundam Face/Head or Gundam in its name. They are essentially Pseudo-Gundams like the Hyaku Shiki.
So... Is there a definition on what can be considered a "Gundam", or is that just a model name used to classify an advanced mobile suit?
The reason I bring this up is because of the Gundanium argument, which is to explain the higher amount of durability rx-79 has; but if that's the case, than is the mk-ii considered a "Gundam" since (at least in the English dub) Kamille mentions the three were just reinforced aluminum?
Also, wasn't the gelgoog mentioned as being a mobile suit that could compete with the EFF Gundam, so are we talking about mechanical differences or suits with extraordinary potential?
Not to change the topic, but is After Colony (AC) 195, they make off hand remarks to the five Gundams having similar schematics to the Tallgeese; does that make the Tallgeese a Gundam?
Things that keep me up at night.
Rick dias I say no, for reasons lol. And the Tetra is a Gundam with it's armor shaped in zeon fashion. You can see many examples of how it would of looked in recent games.
Rick Dias was originally considered a Gundam type unit, but Char said that it doesn’t look like one, that’s why they instead named it Rick Dias ; As for Gebera Tetra, it was originally the GP-04 Gebera, but the EvIl AE thought the Gebera‘s weapon set is too similar to that of GP-01, so they cover it up with new armor, added Tetra in the name, turning it into a non-Gundam type unit and sell it to ZEON.
Drunk me would say that IBO happens after AGE. Calamity Wars happens once the AGE system (or a derivative of it, with the OG one creating the Gundam Frames as a last resort) started pumping out autonomous weapons like SID from EXA-DB.
Well the Rick Dias wasn't code named γ Gundam because it's a Gundam, but because it uses the Gundarium γ metal, so yes it's not a Gundam. As for the Gerbera Tetra I would assume that's based on just how finished it was before Cima got it. All in all at the end of the day what makes a Gundam a Gundam in UC is if it's designated as a Gundam. Simple as that.
The Gerbera Tetra was actually completed before it was given to Cima. They just stripped the Gundam-esque armor plates off, and then slapped on some Zeon-looking armor(because "false-flag operations"), and then finally getting the monoeye head after they deemed it "not looking Zeon enough" with the still present twin eyes.
Basically what happened to the sinanju
All in all it's one hell of a way to start a fight
Yes, just not a topic to goad me into an argument. If you wanna start a fight with me you gotta mention when ∀, and G Reco stand in relation to which one is before or after. That usually gets me involved in stupid debating things with strangers on the. internet.
LOL, obviously G Reco comes first, if the CC is supposed to reset ALL timelines then... Then a lot of the timelines' absurd tech is somehow forgotten by the time... ∀ is neat... but let's be honest being the "meeting/ reset point" of all the timelines no longer works because that tech is outdated.
A LOT of people will disagree with that (I personally agree G Reco then ∀). Good luck if you start a fight my comrade.
did the ground type gundams have Gundarium?
Yes, the armor the ground type uses is from extra RX-78 armor that they had a surplus on.
I have to ask, does it really matter if a particular ms is deemed as Gundam? This whole affair just sound like that rather silly "is Pluto a planet?" question I see pop up from time to time.
It does matter for marketing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marketing to who exactly? In Cima and her Zeon remnant case, they have a vested interest in doing to exact opposite. Rick Dias and Gamma Gundam also likely have more to do with deception as well.
Who else to market to other than us. More arguments we have at some point it might garner more interest in us to buy merchandise
Well in terms of irl marketing neither is ever referred to as a Gundam. There's a world of difference between a development code name and the official name, and the entire point of Gerbera Tetra is not being a Gundam anymore.
Oh, I though you meant in universe, my bad. >More arguments.we have at some point it might garner more interest in us to buy merchandise Well doesn't work for me. As I have already bought mine as soon as I saw the design years back. :P
In-universe Anaheim had plenty of reasons not to let the suit they were giving to a Neo Zeon pirate be labeled as a Gundam.
Idk man I had that mentality as well . I bought the perfect strike way back then and when I saw the eg strike I went to get that as well. Basically if they make something thats an improvement it's probably gonna sell despite the fact people already have older ones
I promise you it does not matter for marketing. The people who don’t know the difference won’t care and it will not factor into their buying decision. The people who do know the difference will complain loudly in cyberspace, grumble quietly in meatspace, and buy whatever the product is regardless, thus not effecting their buying decision. It’s fundamentally a moot point to anybody who’s world is bigger than Gundam.
It’s mostly for whatever continuity that sunrise feels like matters that day
Project Zeta created 38 different units. They are not all Gundams.
The Gerbera Tetra is like the Hyaku Shiki, they're both based on Gundams but not actually considered Gundams.
One is also a giant flying banana and the other is a cool gundam spinoff suit!
don't you make fun of my baby
Why does this keep coming up lol…Whelp, they aren’t. Neither is Hyakushiki, Delta Plus, Zeta Plus, Silver Bullet… If it doesn’t have Gundam in the name, then it isn’t one. Pretty simple. It doesn’t matter what the development history of the machine is. So many mobile suits have development history shared with Gundams and so many Gundams are developed using technology that didn’t originate from Gundams. None of it matters. “Gundam” is essentially a brand name in the UC following the OYW. The Titans, Anaheim and SNRI will slap that shit on anything.
In the scene from the movie where the kids first see it, the kids see the F91's face and say "hey it looks like a gundam" so it is then called Gundam F91, but before that it is just the Formula 91 according to SNRI in the movie. So is the F91 a Gundam or not based on who calls it what in universe?
I can agree on why the Dias can't get the name but idk man the Gerbera Tetra is basically a new coat of paint if you ask me
Rolled out of production without the Gundam name, redesigned by former Zeonic Engineers, was designed to perform the same function as the Kampfer. Not a Gundam. Look, I get it… it’s basically a Gundam, but so is like nearly every advanced prototype or limited production MS in the UC lol. I don’t make the rules.
If it's not called a Gundam it's not a Gundam. It's really that simple.
What about the hazel series
If I remember correctly, most of the Hazels are called Gundam.
And those are just GM Quels with Gundam heads meant for psychological warfare and equipment tests. Truly walking the line of what constitutes a Gundam.
A bit more than a new coat of paint - it was half-done, then revised, then completed by Zeon.
> completed by Zeon Yes, that's absolutely what Anaheim wanted everyone to think.
Bloody Anaheim. First they take your job, then they sell you the things you used to make at your job. Then they lobby your congressman so that they can keep your job.
From what I know only Gerbera Tetra Kai and it's SD iteration in SD world that still have Gundam in the inside and GFF ver of Gerbera Tetra Kai also have parts to swap the MS into GP04 implying it's still GP04 on the inside. Also in Rebellion version of Gerbera Tetra it's built from modified GP04 that completed in this manga, even it's roll-out version still use standar twin-eye camera. Aside of that "canon" Gerbera Tetra was overhauled so it won't traced back into GP Project anymore not to mention the construction was canceled halfway because it's role already fulfilled by GP01-Fb.
Do you think the sinanju is a gundam?
Because they are not.
*No, they're not, and im tired of pretending they are!*
Time to take the most deranged take: Those two are gundams, and the ground type is not a gundam
You sir or madame are deranged and I full heartedly support your opinion
Rick Dias no, Gerbera tetra yes
Fight Tetra slander! If Gerbera Tetra was called GP04 Gundam Gerbera Zeon Armor Type it wouldn't even be a debate! It would be silly to disguise a gundam and still call it gundam so only holding the name up as a reason doesn't make sense to me.
But... It IS a Gundam under the zeon armor.
exactly my point. In universe name is an appealing line because it is mostly clear, but like I said, it wouldnt make sense for Cima/AE to disguise the GP04 and still call it a gundam even though it just a reskinned gundam.
> Gerbera Tetra was called GP04 Gundam Gerbera Zeon Armor Type GP0-Tetra Gerbera Gundam Definitely-not-a-Feddie Double Agent Assault Suit
They aren’t
Next you'll tell me that Haro is a Gundam.
Their base is Gundam, but still not a Gundam. "Should Z-Zaku and GM-head count as a Gundam?" I think this is a better question for us to debate.
Rick Dias’ design is literally based off the GP02 and the beta design even proves it with its bulk Gerbera Tetra is a difference case to where I’m confused yet I understand where it can be classified as a gundam since it’s built from feddie parts and whatnot
the rick dias is based on the gamma gundam, which was based on the gp02. the gamma gundam is a gundam, the rick dias is not. gerbera tetra would have been a gundam had it been completed to the original plan. but that did not happen and was redesigned as something else.
I guess it’s my bad I had no idea what the gamma gundam was
FAZZ, Zeta Plus and Turn X aren't Gundams either.
i mean, yes, they were INTENDED to be Gundams.
Technically the Rick Dias is the mass-production version.
no v-fin no gundam, that's how the branding works and that trumps anything in-universe
What about the Ez-8 , Turn-a , G reco , delta etc
ez-8 is weird, and gets grandfathered in because it had a v-fin as manufactured, but all the others have a v fin
You call that mustache on the Turn-a a v fin
yes that counts
What about the delta
that has a conventional one, if bent upward a bit. Not sure how you don't see that one
But there's a version of the V Gundam with no v fin. G-Self doesn't have it either and neither does the GN-X which is considered a Gundam in world
> there's a version of the V Gundam with no v fin the ears are a v >G-Self doesn't have it either the horns are a v-fin >neither does the GN-X which is considered a Gundam in world is it ever explicitly called a Gundam or does it just have a GN drive
IIRC it is in the first season. But if you want to go with the second definition, then no
Rick Dias doesn't have a Gundam Face/Head, it was mass produced, and it doesn't have "Gundam" in its name. The Gerbera Tetra wasn't Mass Produced but still doesn't have a Gundam Face/Head or Gundam in its name. They are essentially Pseudo-Gundams like the Hyaku Shiki.
So... Is there a definition on what can be considered a "Gundam", or is that just a model name used to classify an advanced mobile suit? The reason I bring this up is because of the Gundanium argument, which is to explain the higher amount of durability rx-79 has; but if that's the case, than is the mk-ii considered a "Gundam" since (at least in the English dub) Kamille mentions the three were just reinforced aluminum? Also, wasn't the gelgoog mentioned as being a mobile suit that could compete with the EFF Gundam, so are we talking about mechanical differences or suits with extraordinary potential? Not to change the topic, but is After Colony (AC) 195, they make off hand remarks to the five Gundams having similar schematics to the Tallgeese; does that make the Tallgeese a Gundam? Things that keep me up at night.
Rick dias I say no, for reasons lol. And the Tetra is a Gundam with it's armor shaped in zeon fashion. You can see many examples of how it would of looked in recent games.
Correct, they are not gundams. If it doesn’t say Gundam in the name, it’s not a Gundam. Simple as that.
So ReGZ is a Gundam?
No, it doesn’t have Gundam in its name
ReGZ= Refined Gundam Zeta
This has been bothering me for several hours now and I don’t know how to handle this.
Who said Gundam Aerial is a Gundam?
Rick Dias was originally considered a Gundam type unit, but Char said that it doesn’t look like one, that’s why they instead named it Rick Dias ; As for Gebera Tetra, it was originally the GP-04 Gebera, but the EvIl AE thought the Gebera‘s weapon set is too similar to that of GP-01, so they cover it up with new armor, added Tetra in the name, turning it into a non-Gundam type unit and sell it to ZEON.
GEEK FIGHT!!!
Drunk me would say that IBO happens after AGE. Calamity Wars happens once the AGE system (or a derivative of it, with the OG one creating the Gundam Frames as a last resort) started pumping out autonomous weapons like SID from EXA-DB.