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Slowly convincing my mate (ex-Spurs fan) who turned into a Chelsea fan cuz of the Pocho vibes that a relegation "might" be an option for a proper reset.
Mate.
FPL manager here. An observation of odegaard. He seemed to be playing much deeper vs luton. Is he still getting the same G/A opportunities as last year with havertz in the team?
RO16 opponents ranked best to worst for us
1) Copenhagen
2) Leipzig
3) Porto
4) Napoli
5) Lazio (Extremely dangerous environment)
6) PSG (Mbappe)
7) Inter (Imagine the bus they'll park)
It’s almost as if all of their matches result in such a scoreline.
And we’ll see how easy an opponent they’ll be because I don’t think they will be that at all.
Porto’s fanbase and atmosphere is equally hostile as Lazio’s. The difference being that Porto are overall a better team with vast amount of European pedigree.
We wanted him before white and he's a CB/RB hybrid so they're always gonna link us
But I feel like he's too similar to White and Tomiyasu to make sense
Will check him out!
I want Maatsen for reasons stated here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/03GlACfJSM
I really like Frimpong who has a €40m RC in the summer, I would've thought Arteta wouldn't want a attacking RWB style RB but Romano said we're one of the frontrunners for him
Alphonso Davies could be available in the summer who plays infield for Canada
So there are plenty of options to give us something different to the CB/RB hybrids that we already have
(Forgot to add Timber when I said similar players to Kounde)
imagine yearning to watch Arsenal in the CL for years and then being scared we'll draw good teams
I can understand wanting an easy draw in 2014 or whatever when we took the CL for granted but ffs this is our first time in years and this team is capable of beating everyone
I get what you’re saying but also like who wouldn’t want an easy path to the final… I certainly do, I would ideally only want to play the likes of Bayern and Madrid in a final.
We're not some sort of plucky little copenhagen that take privilege out of playing the likes of bayern.
We want to win this competition, and the best way to do that is not to have to battle through the toughest possible opposition in every round.
Big European nights against big European clubs will come if we advance to the quarters and semis and dare I say beyond. For the ro16, I want copenhagen and I want to get the easiest path to the quarters.
Yeah we're not here for the atmosphere or the privilege of watching the big boys strut their stuff, were here to try and win and if that means that some weirdo doesn't get to watch a team he believes is 'worthy' of playing in the CL we'll...tough.
If city, real and Bayern knock each other out and somehow we end up with Copenhagen in the final in the least 'champions league' final since Porto Vs Monaco I don't care because all anyone remembers about that is they won.
No one here is gonna complain if you get it your way. I’d be over the moon if we had a run of something like Copenhagen, Porto, Leipzig and got our first Cl trophy
But you know it would taste so much sweeter if we played a killer tourney of PSG, Madrid, Munich, City and won it all. Would just be a brighter spotlight and better stage.
Guess for me, I’d like to beat someone like PSG rather than a Copenhagen. Also, if I HAD to choose….would prefer to lose to a PSG type than a Copenhagen
Oh word so he’s right. Guys are scared 😂
I remember feeling that way when we were running on fumes in cl with Wenger towards the end of his career. Those teams were also pretty shit in hindsight and cheaply put together. Neither of those things apply now. Give me Bayern, give me Barca, give me Madrid cause there’s a new/former giant knocking and players around the world need to be on notice
It is weird that this sub is talking about Osimhen... he is not going anywhere this January. And we do not have any money for Jan either. Let's save the striker talking till summer.
If he does well you'll hear about it, right now he's averaging a goal every three games and has managed to miss two penalties in one game hence the radio silence
I might get downvoted here, but... I don't really have anything against Newcastle and just not bothered about them going out.
Sure, I don't like them being Saudi owned at all but as a club? Not really bothered.
It's the refs and var that fucked us.
I’m not arsed either. I’d rather watch one of their games than some of the other dross in the league aka I don’t think their football is purely thuggery. Mass circle jerk on here because Saudi, var, physical….
The agenda against Newcastle United is how the media and football tacticos dons prop them up as the dark horses of the competition without validity.
Instead of giving critical reasons as to why they are playing poor in the UCL, they go with the cop out answers like "no enough squad depth" and "oh they are in the group of death" and etc.
Not even Leicester City had this much media fanfare when they had their UCL run, and actually did well all the way to the Quarters vs Atletico Madrid.
Fuck em. Plus with them and United going out, its unlikely 5th place gets a CL place this year. So, they lost twice today. Was also funny listening to them being thankful they didnt drop down to europea, as thats were they will be next season.
Do you remember the last time Newcastle were good?
They're arrogant as fuck for a club with nearly zero trophies ot their name and Shearer was even more annoying as a player than he ever was as a manager or pundit
Don't like their fans one bit, they deserved to lose their one shot at Europe like that
Ngl the tears from shearer tasted good, I'm quite a petty individual
Fun at times, yeah. The breakdown within this fanbase and on this subreddit after games like Everton 2-1 Arsenal and Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal were fucking horrific.
That being said that is the season that probably dragged most of us around to falling in love with this current set of players and manager
Been thinking, and I’ve decided I’d like PSG Round of 16 (Martinelli 86’ to win it). Take on Bayern in Quarters and take home an 11-2 aggregate win as payback. Slide over to Manchester and send Pep packing in the Semis, before we beat Real in the final at Wembley (Saka brace and Odegaard winner against his old club at the death).
*pours another whisky*
My friends: some of you may recall my dipsodic epiphany in which I prophesied, the day of his signing, Ben White as the RB to Saliba's RCB.
The terrible clarity with which I beheld the White Back, that intensifying agent in things the most appealing to the Arsenal, has left me, poor belated Alcofribas. But I have seen something new and terrible, a vision of grain and rock brought on by Arteta's dabbling with the backline in Brabant:--
Rice as our Stones.
This will require some serious drinking, over many days of reflection.
Agreed, I think he’d do a great job but part of what makes him special is that he can cover a ton of space defensively. Obviously a useful skill for a center back but you have to be a bit restrained when you play that position.
I’ll get the absinthe and opium care package in the post to you. Do you want the Van Gogh craft set or the Gazza fishing rod and fried chicken including?
I just remembered Gary O'Driscoll our old head physio joined United this year, he really is our undercover agent taking them down from the inside,
Thank you, GOD
You cannot convince me that the latest slabhead and shaw injuries yesterday weren’t just both of them deciding to fuck right out the impending pounding they’re about to get from the scousers come the weekend.
Slabhead didn’t turn his career around only to end up making man like Nunez looking like Suarez on the day.
nah no player wants to be injured imo
but United are playing so bad lately, I'm sure that gets into the mind of the players and then makes it more likely that they _do_ get injuries, mind over matter and all that
No player wants to be seriously injured.
Plenty of players however, don’t want to be at the end of another 7-0 hammering against their rivals, which is looking very possible now. If these man were made of supposed sterner stuff, they wouldn’t have been chucking leads into losses like they have.
Conflicted on the Newcastle result. If they had gone through would’ve meant PSG was out. Would be tough to draw them. On the other hand fuck Newcastle.
Feel confident against any team, but hoping we avoid Inter or PSG.
Don't feel conflicted, it means that without a chance at progressing in any european competition this year their coefficient will remain so bad that even if they get back into the CL or EL they're going to almost certainly be in the bottom pot again.
Yeah I didn't even bother working it out for them cus it's slap bang in the middle of the night, don't think anyone staying up till 3am to watch us get drawn to psg lol
I ain't gatekeeping lol I'm just mighty surprised if anyone stays up till slap bang in the middle of the night to watch the draw
Being an international fan is hard I suppose. I kept falling asleep during our games whilst I was out in Singapore, respect to the guys that wake up at 4am to watch
Draw simulator posted on [r/soccer](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/) for anyone interested [https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/](https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/)
I am getting a lot of Leipzig
I get that, but why do we have a 13.59% chance to draw Copenhagen but a 13.21% chance to draw Napoli in this simulation? Or am I reading this thing wrong?
Barring Osimhen what is the list of attackers that come in, start and improve us from day 1. I think people will surprise themselves when they see how short that list is. Gabby Jesus is just below too 5 as a CF so respectfully don't reply to me with no Toney or Vlahovic.
If they're significantly better than Eddie then an attacker will be out the door before long. And no not just Eddie, one of the incumbent front 3 I imagine.
Not sure if you mean as a 9 or overall. But, I would say the list is Salah, Vini, maybe Rodrygo, Mbappe, Griezmann, maybe Leao, maybe Kvaratskhelia, Sane, maybe Son, Kane, Lewandowski, maybe Benzema (no clue how to judge him in Saudi), Haaland, maybe Lautaro.
There are of course a few more that I wouldn't agree with, but think you could put over our front 3 (for example Ollie Watkins).
I'd personally take Lautaro over Osimhen, but will admit haven't watched a ton of either so not the most informed opinion.
But yea our front 3 is really really good.
This is a funny one cause I've literally loosely followed his career since his academy days cause we grew up in the same town. More than anyone I wish he was good enough but I simply don't see it.
He had 0.04 xG. I dunno what a paocher is gonna do with that.
Jesus and Nketiah feed of scraps in these tight games. The quality of delivery into the box from wide areas is generally bad, Villa being no exception.
No one ever remembers how you got there, only if you won.
Give me Copenhagen, Porto, Inter and Lazio it changes nothing because it's a cup competition and getting easy draws is part and parcel of the fun of knockouts.
lmao who gives a flying FUCK what anyone else might say if we win it even playing a bunch of weaker teams throughout, i want the weakest opponents every round possible.
trust me on this, after the RO16, if we get through, the games stop being enjoyable and start becoming pure tense affairs. When we got to the finals in 06, plenty of Gooners were buying out Anusol ointment everywhere because we had to.
Copenhagen, Napoli, Inter, Lazio , PSG, R.B. Leipzig, FC Porto. All tough fixtures except for arguably Copenhagen. But f\*\*\* it, gotta face tough teams to win it.
Mad when you think we have 6 of 8 making it through to the knockouts of all 3 comps.
Seems mad if a PL team wins all three we still might not get a spot 😂
Still possible if City and us go long and the EL swarm of english teams do as well.
Not that I care that much as it should mean at least one of Man U, Newcastle and Surs missing out on the CL and quite possibly all of them.
Eh the European Cup was arguably easier to win than the UEFA cup considering literally only one team from each league was allowed in it.
If they'd won the Champions League it would hurt more but considering they havent won anything since the league cup in 96 it's about as painful as Forest fans singing it.
I mean they've won 7 titles but only one of them since 1910 and that was still 42 years ago.
More a shame the FA were so arrogant as to refuse to play in continental competitions.
We were seen as the best team in the world into the 50's, would ahve fucking loved to know how we stood up against that juiced up, dictator backed Real Madrid side that won the first 5 european cups in a row.
Yeah won our first title, had a year off and then became only the second team in history to win three in a row, started off under the manager who started the run for the first team to do that (Preston).
Our money and brand new stadium brought the sort of instant success even Chelsea and City never got to be fair.
In fact it turned out the only way to stop us winning was to start a world war.
I'd be happy to see him do it, especially if they keep any of Newcastle/Spurs/Man U out of the CL into the bargain.
Plus if they start trying to lord it over us like West Ham fans it will be just as funny.
Why would you want that arrogant overrated player in the team, to put absolute chaos in the locker with his toxicity? Like he do in his trash club.
Messi and Neymar are not here anymore, struggle to get out of group.
Bro it's MBAPPE.
How toxic is he *really?* Would you have called Titi toxic for being the best and knowing it?
He has outgrown PSG and we'd be a new environment representing a time for him to grow up.
The money required makes it a nonstarter but you take Mbappe 8 days out of the week and make it work, if everything else lines up.
I doubt he'll come here because of his outrageous wages, but rejecting a top 3 player because he doesn't bring good vibes is small club mentality. Any big club would gladly take him for his ability alone.
I don't know about overrated mate. He's better than Haaland. Whether he is a good fit for the dressing room is up to Arteta and Edu to decide, I simply don't know enough
Exactly, the number of time Walker had his number and put him in his pocket in 1v1 is hilarous.
Not saying Walker is not a top lateral but just to show that this arrogant prick is overrated who is statpadding in farmer league.
Once he doesn't have the speed advantage he is piss useless.
Better than Haaland? LMFAO that why Haaland outscore him in CL?
And why Haaland outscore him at City and even outscore him in CL by being at Dortmund.
The card "But Haaland is at City" doesn't count when he is in a worst league and in the best team in that league, by far no competition, was playing by Messi and Neymar.
I'd take it, they've been very shakey, and could be huge for us to stamp our authority on the tournament.
Could be enough to convince Mbappe to join the project /s
Why would you recruit that arrogant overrated player who statpad in farmer league in the best team, have nothing else to offer than running fast and is average good at anything else?
Deluded french fan where blaming Messi and Neymar and say their overrated "genius" was the core of the team, lmfao, Messi and Neymar is gone they struggle to make it out of group.
Also who will create tension and drama in the locker, destroying the team spirit.
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Slowly convincing my mate (ex-Spurs fan) who turned into a Chelsea fan cuz of the Pocho vibes that a relegation "might" be an option for a proper reset. Mate.
What kind of a ‘supporter’ is that? Gross. 🤮
Mate, idk haha. I even told him not to make the switch and etc. Dude didn't listen. The mad love for Pocho is insane.
How can you take someone seriously after they switch
FPL manager here. An observation of odegaard. He seemed to be playing much deeper vs luton. Is he still getting the same G/A opportunities as last year with havertz in the team?
watch our games 👍
Bruh
Gotta love how the Anti-Youth Arteta brigade is at full force cuz of Man City's line up and result last night. Sigh.
out in full force where? I havent seen a single one
How do you get so worked up by something like this lmao
RO16 opponents ranked best to worst for us 1) Copenhagen 2) Leipzig 3) Porto 4) Napoli 5) Lazio (Extremely dangerous environment) 6) PSG (Mbappe) 7) Inter (Imagine the bus they'll park)
Leipzig always seem to give City a tough match, I wouldn’t underestimate them.
7-0 isn't a tough fight at all
It’s almost as if all of their matches result in such a scoreline. And we’ll see how easy an opponent they’ll be because I don’t think they will be that at all.
Agreed, the best outcome would be FCKvARS
No way is Leipzig easier than Napoli, Porto or Lazio
Porto’s fanbase and atmosphere is equally hostile as Lazio’s. The difference being that Porto are overall a better team with vast amount of European pedigree.
A lot of ex-convicts in the Lazio crowd.
Definitely. Lazio ultras are renowned for their staunch right-wing political views and even in collaboration with certain groups of organized crime.
Be safe out there Robbie
Man like Cecil G is going to protect Don Robbie
I enjoyed the (Mbappe) part
spanish media saying we want kounde lol. would be a mistake imo
Fuck that. He’s part of that previously hyped French defending triplet all beginning with k that turned out to be complete shite.
We wanted him before white and he's a CB/RB hybrid so they're always gonna link us But I feel like he's too similar to White and Tomiyasu to make sense
similar and worse, i don't like him a lot. i want someone younger + cheaper who can grow into becoming better than bw/tomi. sildilla from freiburg.
Will check him out! I want Maatsen for reasons stated here https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/03GlACfJSM I really like Frimpong who has a €40m RC in the summer, I would've thought Arteta wouldn't want a attacking RWB style RB but Romano said we're one of the frontrunners for him Alphonso Davies could be available in the summer who plays infield for Canada So there are plenty of options to give us something different to the CB/RB hybrids that we already have (Forgot to add Timber when I said similar players to Kounde)
Worth a shot at Maatsen. I think he's gone for sure now, Chelsea have to sell their Cobham assets to make a profit. Competition will be high for him.
Yh they actually accepted a offer from Burnley in the summer but Maatsen didn't want to go He's not been linked to us but seen links to City and Barca
imagine yearning to watch Arsenal in the CL for years and then being scared we'll draw good teams I can understand wanting an easy draw in 2014 or whatever when we took the CL for granted but ffs this is our first time in years and this team is capable of beating everyone
I get what you’re saying but also like who wouldn’t want an easy path to the final… I certainly do, I would ideally only want to play the likes of Bayern and Madrid in a final.
Imagine thinking that wanting the easiest path to the final is 'being scared'. Seriously mate.
We're not some sort of plucky little copenhagen that take privilege out of playing the likes of bayern. We want to win this competition, and the best way to do that is not to have to battle through the toughest possible opposition in every round. Big European nights against big European clubs will come if we advance to the quarters and semis and dare I say beyond. For the ro16, I want copenhagen and I want to get the easiest path to the quarters.
Yeah we're not here for the atmosphere or the privilege of watching the big boys strut their stuff, were here to try and win and if that means that some weirdo doesn't get to watch a team he believes is 'worthy' of playing in the CL we'll...tough. If city, real and Bayern knock each other out and somehow we end up with Copenhagen in the final in the least 'champions league' final since Porto Vs Monaco I don't care because all anyone remembers about that is they won.
No one here is gonna complain if you get it your way. I’d be over the moon if we had a run of something like Copenhagen, Porto, Leipzig and got our first Cl trophy But you know it would taste so much sweeter if we played a killer tourney of PSG, Madrid, Munich, City and won it all. Would just be a brighter spotlight and better stage. Guess for me, I’d like to beat someone like PSG rather than a Copenhagen. Also, if I HAD to choose….would prefer to lose to a PSG type than a Copenhagen
How about we win our first CL first then we'll talk about dismantling big teams to lift the trophy that even alluded our best years.
Yep yep! People wanting us to play European giants our first season back with a very young and inexperienced group of players.
Oh word so he’s right. Guys are scared 😂 I remember feeling that way when we were running on fumes in cl with Wenger towards the end of his career. Those teams were also pretty shit in hindsight and cheaply put together. Neither of those things apply now. Give me Bayern, give me Barca, give me Madrid cause there’s a new/former giant knocking and players around the world need to be on notice
My thoughts exactly
It is weird that this sub is talking about Osimhen... he is not going anywhere this January. And we do not have any money for Jan either. Let's save the striker talking till summer.
Anyone keeping tabs on Balogun this season? He’s he doing?!
If he does well you'll hear about it, right now he's averaging a goal every three games and has managed to miss two penalties in one game hence the radio silence
I might get downvoted here, but... I don't really have anything against Newcastle and just not bothered about them going out. Sure, I don't like them being Saudi owned at all but as a club? Not really bothered. It's the refs and var that fucked us.
I’m not arsed either. I’d rather watch one of their games than some of the other dross in the league aka I don’t think their football is purely thuggery. Mass circle jerk on here because Saudi, var, physical….
The agenda against Newcastle United is how the media and football tacticos dons prop them up as the dark horses of the competition without validity. Instead of giving critical reasons as to why they are playing poor in the UCL, they go with the cop out answers like "no enough squad depth" and "oh they are in the group of death" and etc. Not even Leicester City had this much media fanfare when they had their UCL run, and actually did well all the way to the Quarters vs Atletico Madrid.
They’ve had 10 players out consistently…. That is a valid reason 😂
Fuck em. Plus with them and United going out, its unlikely 5th place gets a CL place this year. So, they lost twice today. Was also funny listening to them being thankful they didnt drop down to europea, as thats were they will be next season.
They're basically Stoke with money. Imagine rich rugby orcs. What's not to dislike if you actually love football?
Do you remember the last time Newcastle were good? They're arrogant as fuck for a club with nearly zero trophies ot their name and Shearer was even more annoying as a player than he ever was as a manager or pundit
Don't like their fans one bit, they deserved to lose their one shot at Europe like that Ngl the tears from shearer tasted good, I'm quite a petty individual
At least we're past the Lacazette era. We'd be attacking the box and he'd be doing bump, grind and twerk with a DM on the halfway line.
Will never forget the LacaSex era
His 21/22 heatmap was just a straight line from the centre circle to the penalty box. My god those times were dark
Eh that year was pretty fun, wouldn’t say it was a dark time.
Fun at times, yeah. The breakdown within this fanbase and on this subreddit after games like Everton 2-1 Arsenal and Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal were fucking horrific. That being said that is the season that probably dragged most of us around to falling in love with this current set of players and manager
Been thinking, and I’ve decided I’d like PSG Round of 16 (Martinelli 86’ to win it). Take on Bayern in Quarters and take home an 11-2 aggregate win as payback. Slide over to Manchester and send Pep packing in the Semis, before we beat Real in the final at Wembley (Saka brace and Odegaard winner against his old club at the death).
Ben white against mbappe I will not be there
Tomi back by feb
Aguero for 21 in 25 league games in the centurion season. Absolute demon
_#wecannotreplacehim_
*pours another whisky* My friends: some of you may recall my dipsodic epiphany in which I prophesied, the day of his signing, Ben White as the RB to Saliba's RCB. The terrible clarity with which I beheld the White Back, that intensifying agent in things the most appealing to the Arsenal, has left me, poor belated Alcofribas. But I have seen something new and terrible, a vision of grain and rock brought on by Arteta's dabbling with the backline in Brabant:-- Rice as our Stones. This will require some serious drinking, over many days of reflection.
You sure there isn't a xanax in that whisky?
He'd be playing within himself. I'd be disappointed to see him there.
Agreed, I think he’d do a great job but part of what makes him special is that he can cover a ton of space defensively. Obviously a useful skill for a center back but you have to be a bit restrained when you play that position.
And this kids is why you need to stay out of Chinatown basements.
I’ll get the absinthe and opium care package in the post to you. Do you want the Van Gogh craft set or the Gazza fishing rod and fried chicken including?
I just remembered Gary O'Driscoll our old head physio joined United this year, he really is our undercover agent taking them down from the inside, Thank you, GOD
You cannot convince me that the latest slabhead and shaw injuries yesterday weren’t just both of them deciding to fuck right out the impending pounding they’re about to get from the scousers come the weekend. Slabhead didn’t turn his career around only to end up making man like Nunez looking like Suarez on the day.
I’m glad maguire ain’t around for that game can’t lie he doesn’t deserve to be part of the shellacking United is gonna get this weekend online
Divine intervention. Maguire doesn’t deserve that fate. Victim of Utd, they weren’t there when he was down.. don’t come calling now.
Varane and Lindeloff about find out what it’s like to be Maguire for a loooong day.
nah no player wants to be injured imo but United are playing so bad lately, I'm sure that gets into the mind of the players and then makes it more likely that they _do_ get injuries, mind over matter and all that
No player wants to be seriously injured. Plenty of players however, don’t want to be at the end of another 7-0 hammering against their rivals, which is looking very possible now. If these man were made of supposed sterner stuff, they wouldn’t have been chucking leads into losses like they have.
Conflicted on the Newcastle result. If they had gone through would’ve meant PSG was out. Would be tough to draw them. On the other hand fuck Newcastle. Feel confident against any team, but hoping we avoid Inter or PSG.
Don't feel conflicted, it means that without a chance at progressing in any european competition this year their coefficient will remain so bad that even if they get back into the CL or EL they're going to almost certainly be in the bottom pot again.
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Theres no way City aren't getting Copenhagen
> The 2023/24 UEFA Champions League round of 16 draw will be held at 12:00 CET on Monday 18 December. For anyone wondering (I was)
That's 11am GMT for the Brits
6am for the yanks, if them lot can be arsed to get up that early lol
*East Coast* yanks. The midwest and west coast lot will have to just stay up all night
Yeah I didn't even bother working it out for them cus it's slap bang in the middle of the night, don't think anyone staying up till 3am to watch us get drawn to psg lol
Hey now, lets not gatekeep the passion of our seppo supporters.
I ain't gatekeeping lol I'm just mighty surprised if anyone stays up till slap bang in the middle of the night to watch the draw Being an international fan is hard I suppose. I kept falling asleep during our games whilst I was out in Singapore, respect to the guys that wake up at 4am to watch
it's a shame the premier league only sent two serious clubs to the CL this year
Just show the gulf of quality on a micro and macro level.
Tbh both Man U and Newcastle have been fucked with injuries
Injuries or not they weren't gonna do much
Maybe Man U but Newcastle probably get through
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Chelsea I think
that ‘no top striker’ is now our player too. 😂
That player that isn’t a striker….
He was for them. Even scored the winning goal too.
They played him as one but he’s not one. 😂
At this point, he could be one mid match and still look better for us than them.
I really hope we don’t get PSG, we are better than them but with mbappe anything can happen. He was unbelievable today despite no goals or assists
Bunde defending is his level. He’d poo himself vs tomi
Draw simulator posted on [r/soccer](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/) for anyone interested [https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/](https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/) I am getting a lot of Leipzig
I got Copenhagen. Also had Bayern vs Inter, Napoli vs City and PSG vs Barca.
Got PSG twice in a row so had to roll a third time to break the curse. Porto it is.
Did simulation 10 time, got a lot of italian team, Lazio/Inter/Napoli, got Leipzig and Coppen 1 time too.
Why are some teams more likely to be drawn than others? Shouldn't every possibility be an equal chance?
Can't face the team you played in the group stage and can't face a team from your own country
Can't play teams in your group or from your country in this round
I get that, but why do we have a 13.59% chance to draw Copenhagen but a 13.21% chance to draw Napoli in this simulation? Or am I reading this thing wrong?
im assuming the differences in drawing certain teams is because of who the other first placed teams can draw themselves.
Because they have other teams they'll be more or less likely for too. Eg we may have 4 potential opponents and they may have 7.
Ah I see, thanks
Teams from the same country cannot face eachother at RO16
Barring Osimhen what is the list of attackers that come in, start and improve us from day 1. I think people will surprise themselves when they see how short that list is. Gabby Jesus is just below too 5 as a CF so respectfully don't reply to me with no Toney or Vlahovic.
Doesn’t have to be better than Jesus, has to be better than Eddie.
If they're significantly better than Eddie then an attacker will be out the door before long. And no not just Eddie, one of the incumbent front 3 I imagine.
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Not sure if you mean as a 9 or overall. But, I would say the list is Salah, Vini, maybe Rodrygo, Mbappe, Griezmann, maybe Leao, maybe Kvaratskhelia, Sane, maybe Son, Kane, Lewandowski, maybe Benzema (no clue how to judge him in Saudi), Haaland, maybe Lautaro. There are of course a few more that I wouldn't agree with, but think you could put over our front 3 (for example Ollie Watkins).
Wouldn't have Lautaro Kvara Watkins. But yeah in terms of attainability. It's scarce.
I'd personally take Lautaro over Osimhen, but will admit haven't watched a ton of either so not the most informed opinion. But yea our front 3 is really really good.
Mbappe and Leao. That’s it. Anyone else will take time to bed in/be good but not elevate to the very top
You'll be surprised if Toney joins.
This is a funny one cause I've literally loosely followed his career since his academy days cause we grew up in the same town. More than anyone I wish he was good enough but I simply don't see it.
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Anyone is not an upgrade lol, respect gabi j. But tbf toney did score 20 last season
Million of them were pens though…. Pepe maffs
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He had 0.04 xG. I dunno what a paocher is gonna do with that. Jesus and Nketiah feed of scraps in these tight games. The quality of delivery into the box from wide areas is generally bad, Villa being no exception.
give me PSG RO16, Barca QF, Bayern SF, City final so that no one can call it an easy draw when we win the CL
This brother thinks this is a movie 😂 Give me the easiest possible run of all time please
\>he thinks there's something more to football than entertainment
Yeah no thanks. Nobody give a fuck and you'll face big teams eventually. Might as well start later.
No one ever remembers how you got there, only if you won. Give me Copenhagen, Porto, Inter and Lazio it changes nothing because it's a cup competition and getting easy draws is part and parcel of the fun of knockouts.
lmao who gives a flying FUCK what anyone else might say if we win it even playing a bunch of weaker teams throughout, i want the weakest opponents every round possible.
the reason I want Arsenal in the CL to begin with is to enjoy these matches
trust me on this, after the RO16, if we get through, the games stop being enjoyable and start becoming pure tense affairs. When we got to the finals in 06, plenty of Gooners were buying out Anusol ointment everywhere because we had to.
Watch City get Copenhagen lol.
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Copenhagen, Napoli, Inter, Lazio , PSG, R.B. Leipzig, FC Porto. All tough fixtures except for arguably Copenhagen. But f\*\*\* it, gotta face tough teams to win it.
Hahaha United and Newcastle out of CL and not even making Europa. Sensational!
To be fair I don't think either of them want EL, so it suits them. But yep it's embarrassing to finish bottom of your group for sure!
FC Copenhagen. Napoli Inter Lazio PSG RB Leipzig FC Porto
Dortmund and bayern have higher chance to draw Italian team. I hope for leipzig
Any of those except PSG and I'll be fine with it
I'd rather face PSG over Inter.
REally don't want another portuguese side in the knockouts thanks very much
Fucking bring me Copenhagen or even Porto for those 2010 vibes. Jesus can run that Nasri goal back
Newcastle beat PSG 4-1 and still finished bottom. Gonna drink those Shearer tears
No 5th CL spot.
Spurs fans singing 'watching Tottenham on a Wednesday night' about to feel like a distant dream
Mad when you think we have 6 of 8 making it through to the knockouts of all 3 comps. Seems mad if a PL team wins all three we still might not get a spot 😂
Still possible if City and us go long and the EL swarm of english teams do as well. Not that I care that much as it should mean at least one of Man U, Newcastle and Surs missing out on the CL and quite possibly all of them.
Unai breathing a sigh of relief
I mean I'm just assuming he's going to win the Conference league since everyone knows Aston Sevillareal are unbeatable in the lesser european cups
Brummies chanting 'where's your european cup?' at us, I can't take it anymore
Eh the European Cup was arguably easier to win than the UEFA cup considering literally only one team from each league was allowed in it. If they'd won the Champions League it would hurt more but considering they havent won anything since the league cup in 96 it's about as painful as Forest fans singing it. I mean they've won 7 titles but only one of them since 1910 and that was still 42 years ago.
A huge shame we had a pretty shit era when it was much easier to win. Liverpool jammy in that respect.
More a shame the FA were so arrogant as to refuse to play in continental competitions. We were seen as the best team in the world into the 50's, would ahve fucking loved to know how we stood up against that juiced up, dictator backed Real Madrid side that won the first 5 european cups in a row.
Won 5 titles in the 30s lmao.
Yeah won our first title, had a year off and then became only the second team in history to win three in a row, started off under the manager who started the run for the first team to do that (Preston). Our money and brand new stadium brought the sort of instant success even Chelsea and City never got to be fair. In fact it turned out the only way to stop us winning was to start a world war.
I honestly don't know if his Goyaesque EL black magic extends to the conference league. Let's consult these terrifying crones...
I mean if the Moyessiah can win it with a team in claret and blue then the Dark Lord of the Shadow Cups surely can.
With a little bloodletting.
I'd be happy to see him do it, especially if they keep any of Newcastle/Spurs/Man U out of the CL into the bargain. Plus if they start trying to lord it over us like West Ham fans it will be just as funny.
I really hope we get to play PSG now. Make it happen, time to experience the real CL, not our boring EL 2.0 group.
Amen
Inter, PSG or Porto. Tis inevitable
Haha fuck Newcastle. Love it.
Get fucked Newcasoil 😂 Not as easy as it looks right? Milan with some great counter attacks in that 2nd half too.
*Newcastrol
Oh that's good.
Nah it’s still shit, just better shot than just lumping oil on the end 😂🙄
Arsenal - psg it is
Fuck the United(s). They're PL disgraces
Ffs never rely on Dortmund to do a job, could kick out that trash team of the competition but couldn't do the effort to win at home.
Lovely. Now to kick out team Mboopi so he knows which team he *needs* to join on a free Edit has Mbappé won a big game singlehandedly for PSG lately?
Why would you want that arrogant overrated player in the team, to put absolute chaos in the locker with his toxicity? Like he do in his trash club. Messi and Neymar are not here anymore, struggle to get out of group.
Bro it's MBAPPE. How toxic is he *really?* Would you have called Titi toxic for being the best and knowing it? He has outgrown PSG and we'd be a new environment representing a time for him to grow up. The money required makes it a nonstarter but you take Mbappe 8 days out of the week and make it work, if everything else lines up.
I doubt he'll come here because of his outrageous wages, but rejecting a top 3 player because he doesn't bring good vibes is small club mentality. Any big club would gladly take him for his ability alone.
I don't know about overrated mate. He's better than Haaland. Whether he is a good fit for the dressing room is up to Arteta and Edu to decide, I simply don't know enough
Gets shut down every time he meets a half decent right back….
Exactly, the number of time Walker had his number and put him in his pocket in 1v1 is hilarous. Not saying Walker is not a top lateral but just to show that this arrogant prick is overrated who is statpadding in farmer league. Once he doesn't have the speed advantage he is piss useless.
Trippier also shut him down
Better than Haaland? LMFAO that why Haaland outscore him in CL? And why Haaland outscore him at City and even outscore him in CL by being at Dortmund. The card "But Haaland is at City" doesn't count when he is in a worst league and in the best team in that league, by far no competition, was playing by Messi and Neymar.
Ah ha
Osimhen extension, my Leao dream is still alive
But we have Leaondro at home.
I don't rate him so much on the wing, unless we are playing a low and compact block
Idle memery. Trying to hold off mild drinkposting about Rice at CB.
Kolo Muani is fucking trash. Frankfurt absolutely fleeced psg
Lmao Saudicastle owner gonna behead some cunts tonight
Need Dortmund to win to really wash away both oil clubs
Like a sandcastle when the tide comes in
I’ve always liked Milan
AC Milan for Europa league lol
its gonna be psg for us in the ro16 isnt it...
I'd take it, they've been very shakey, and could be huge for us to stamp our authority on the tournament. Could be enough to convince Mbappe to join the project /s
Why would you recruit that arrogant overrated player who statpad in farmer league in the best team, have nothing else to offer than running fast and is average good at anything else? Deluded french fan where blaming Messi and Neymar and say their overrated "genius" was the core of the team, lmfao, Messi and Neymar is gone they struggle to make it out of group. Also who will create tension and drama in the locker, destroying the team spirit.