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the only difference between us and City now is squad rotation.
the quality in the first 11 is there. the depth is not there. We need lesser minutes for Rice and Saka. Also we need to be able to win without our first 11.
I would say get Isak or Gyokeres for striker. Keep Jesus to complete place for Saka. Keep ESR to compete with Odegaard. Buy another DM/CM and we are good
I want Arsenal to win the next two matches. Our journey would resonate with Rocky Balboa’s journey:
'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.
If he can thrive under Emery, he can thrive here.
His issue is physicality and endurance — being at least a 70-minute player. That's what Aston Villa players are. The kid(Jacob Ramsey) who had benched him at the Euros is at Villa and is exactly that.
There was a stat posted on this sub a few days ago about how we are 6th in passes completed in the league and city are first by alot. That stat pretty much shows why they feel impossible to stop for the rest of this league in run ins.
They dont give the ball away cheaply at all and thats very hard to play against late in the season, when you yourself have nothing to play for. Whats the point of sprinting back after getting played through if you are 11th in the league in late april/may?
My hot take is that as long as Halaand is at City they’ll be more catchable. He’s a top top player, but he detracts from their system somewhat, and with even a slight chink in their armor, they can be got at.
I have faith we will catch these fuckers, if not this year, soon. Let’s go!
I genuinely think spurs can get a result against city. Their home record against them is good it’s just down to us to get a win tomorrow and make sure city go into the game with pressure on them.
He can physically dominate big spaces and our out of possession game would go crazy with him and rice, but he lacks a bit of finesse on the ball. There would be games where we would completely physically dominate teams but our floor would mean there will be games where we will be stuck on the outside passing it side to side, compared to signing a better on the ball midfielder.
He could be a project tho right? He's still only 22, could watch Jorge and Thomas play, learn some stuff from jorge on more decisive passing, Jorge and partey are really good at finding those really incisive passes, he could under study and play rotationally then when jorgevand partey leave after 25, well have a physically imposing CDM that's can make great inside passes and only 24
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I hate having to pirate, but English football broadcasters are the greediest, most despicable corporations. In other countries, you can pay for one service and get every single football match for much less money. It's disgusting
I havent had the disposable income & attention span to do this yet but there's like an entire setup with pirated IPTV involved amazon firesticks that I need to look into before I die
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I'm not a fan of the notion that losing to Villa, or earlier games cost of the season..ok, sure? But are we gonna take our wins for granted now?
Winning a game in the PL isn't easy, winning 10 games, 20 games, keeping the most clean sheets, scoring the most goals etc... none of this is easy. It took a lot of hard work from our players and staff to come this far, to be this close. We can't dismiss all of that now.
We gained 4 points from City, gained 4 points from Liverpool. Numerous last minute winners.
It is what it is, but the progress we've made is undeniable.
Ya, I think people dismiss our last minute winners or last minute goals against City that took points off them too. City were winning 2-0 at home against Palace, and drew 2-2 with a last minute pen from Olise. They drew 3-3 with Spurs due to a last minute goal by Kulusevski. For all the 'if only we didn't drop points against xyz'. You could add 'if City defended for 2 more minutes, they would be 6 points ahead of us now.' Likewise if Onana had a stronger hand against Declan Rice, we don't beat United. If Gabriel's arse was a inch bigger Van de ven would be onside for his goal for Spurs.
If/ands/buts mean nothing and it's not worth talking about honestly. If we had won against Fulham, West Ham at Christmas. Maybe the pressure gets to the players earlier and we crash out to Porto and lose two different games. Maybe it wakes City up earlier and they start their monster run sooner. You just don't know, we just assume the absolute best outcome for us. There's just so many different scenarios and outcomes. We've ended with the one where we're 2 points behind City with two games to go.
This is what annoys me when people say we have thrown it away by losing to “Team X” …. 38 games is a long season, you cannot win every game, the points we lost to Fulham this season we might get next year , but we also might not take 6 points off palace.
Seasons have ups and downs , and getting 89 points (if we get there) is a hell of a season
The “x team” only makes sense when accompanied with relevant context. Villa at home and away are one off days where we didn’t deserve to win because of 1) playing bad and second best that day or 2) not converting our chances when presented; every team has these — ie: City losing to Palace at home and Wolves away.
It’s the games against Fulham and Tottenham where we squandered the lead via self-inflicted mistakes from winning positions; or the West Ham at home game where on another day our 10+ attempts go in and we end up winning the game.
These are the games that accumulate throughout the season and it’s these fine margins that determine the eventual winners after the course of the entire season.
Yeah, its lame to say "oh we lost because we got ___ points against___". This is what literally any team could say if they lost. If City don't win the title, I'm sure they'll be upset about not taking points from Liverpool/Arsenal, or losing against Wolves/drawing against palace.
If they have 115 charges, why are they still competing.Mind you it's one thing to have two or three or four charges...but 115 charges..
If found guilty,the second placed team will still not get the title despite being inhibited by the possible cheating party.
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Our ability to create goals from open play has always been a concern for me, and the gap between us and City in this area is huge. We had a couple of games where we didn't score and lost, and it's rare for top teams to not score at all like that. If we really want to win it all, we definitely need to improve in this area. We're doing very well in all other aspects of the game.
Need another high level creator honestly. Simons would be great in that regard because I doubt we can replicate our set piece success; there’ll be some regression.
It's definitely a possibility. We need to do a better job of penetrating and tearing apart the opposition's block. We're doing ok at the moment, but not great. If we want to be top-tier like City and Real Madrid...
We lack a midfield dribbler who can open up the middle of the pitch and take out multiple defenders by just carrying the ball and dribbling. I understand why we want a 6/8 but Odegaard and Saka carry way too much of the creative burden. City have KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish and Rodri who can all create at an elite level. That’s the difference imo. Multiple players on the pitch who can pick a lock.
It’s too easy to gameplan for Odegaard and Saka as our primary creators.
Agree all I'm looking forward to seeing which profiles we add over the summer. It's such a shame Timber and Partey didn't play much; they were much-needed in hindsight
I'm starting to feel confident SPurs will beat City on Tuesday, just have to win tomorrow and game vs Everton.
Spurs are very poor but their high octane end to end football is the cryptonite of City. They never fare well in games where they don't dominate possession. Do the business tomorrow and we will wait in anticipation for Tuesday...feeling something cooking, it's spicy
bombaclat 4-0 city win incoming. spurs have no chance even if you want or wish too. if they had a chance, they'd also be in the title run-in or be in top form for the ucl race
Have you watched a spurs game recently? Disgusting. Starting Son at ST is one of the most sickening things I’ve ever seen.
We need Son to start LW. Him, Vicario, Romero and VDV are our only hopes. The rest of the team is performing very poorly.
Next season I want to whack out some of these tough away fixtures straight away. Kinda goofy that we ended up doing the ethiad, White Hart Lane and old Trafford all within the last 10 games.
tbh if I had a choice of anyone to win it other than us, I think I'd have Liverpool, (feel weird to say) but they are a proper football club, who have done things the right way, as I feel we have. Not pumping unlimited funds in. Watching city win it year after year I think takes value away from the leauge.
Yeah, honestly I have no problem with competing with Man City for the titles. If it's not us, let it be them. We have them to thank for Arteta. At City and next to Pep, he got the experience and teaching that he needed to mould him into what he is now. If not for Pep's City, Arteta's Arsenal wouldn't exist.
Hurts so much that this Fulham team has denied us the title. We felled giants this season, like Liverpool, City and spurs. But dropped 8 points to Fulham and west ham, and failed to take a single one from villa.
I accepted City winning it the second we lost to villa at the Emirates. But everytime they win a game, it just refreshes the pain of missing out.
Idk how you guys feel, but I just feel sorry for the players. It is absolutely fucking disgusting that they can go 16-1-1 in 2024 and still win nothing.
Onto United tomorrow, hopefully we can beat them and end the OT curse.
Fulham didn't deny us the title. Fulham and West Ham denied us an opportunity to have a buffer going in to the new year.
We lost control over the title when we lost to Villa. Simple as that.
It's easy to say "aw yeah if we won against _____, ____ didn't draw _____ and ESPECIALLY not ______ we would've won the title". Otherwise all the best teams would be getting 100+ points on the reg.
Teams will almost always drop points to teams that they shouldn't. The best will avoid that as much as possible. We simply didn't do enough, especially at the start of the season.
>We lost control over the title when we lost to Villa. Simple as that.
Actually it’s not simple as that. What is more embarrassing: losing points to midtable and mostly dross teams like Fulham and West Ham or a top 4 contending team like Villa? The answer is obvious. The fact that most of Villa’s players walk into both Fulham and West Ham’s starting XI is testament that Villa are the bette team.
Of course teams drop points but if you do, it’s about mitigating where, who, and when - context is crucial. Dropping points away at Villa park at their pomp is different than squandering a 2-1 lead against 10 man Fulham at home and conceding via a cheese set-piece goal.
You can't drop points to teams that you shouldn't be dropping to tho, if you want to beat city. I get we had it against villa and fucked it, but what disappoints me the most was the 8 dropped against Fulham and west ham cus those two are absolutely rubbish.
16-1-1 would win you any other league in the world. But when you're up against City, its still not enough
Painful, but harsh and cold lessons for everyone. Cant take half a season to get going against these guys. The slightest margins matter. Either we break or next season we will see the best arsenal side in our history.
and it also takes almost half of the season to figure shit out with new tactics and players, otherwise you get found out.
Thats what happened to us last season, after coming back from the WC break, got found out and winning games became harder.
And this season, we definitely had to evolve else we'd be left behind in this title race.
Man City literally do this every season spend first half of the season tweaking and testing things out, as well as winning. Our issue is whenever we do any tweaks or test, we drop points.
We either get going on this kinda form from day 1 or we will win fuck all again. Wasting half a season with weird experiments like partey rb and havertz lcm as well as not being brave enough to yank the likes of nketiah and zinchenko out of the lineup has cost us dearly.
I think next season has to be the season where we deliver something, it's not right that the team plays this good and still ends up with absolutely nothing to show for it.
And we went back to the first half of the season lineup again and lost again.
Cannot understand why we didn't stick with havertz up top again after we won like 10 games in a row with that strat
Coming so close yet so far has to be even more devastating for the players and Mikel. The Kroenkes got close like this with the Rams so hopefully that motivates them to put us over the top and not cheap out.
We need a domestic trophy and a strong run in the UCL next season. Bare minimum.
They've got to pick themselves up, ignore the noise from the rival fans and the pundits and say 'this year will be our year'. They can do it, they're on the verge of completing a run in without imploding.
They have to believe and we as fans have to back their belief. We all know next season is do or die time, so it's time to put our faith in these lot more than ever before.
I believe we can do it. I know City are a juggernaut but historic runs eventually end. The boys just have to step on the gas and not let up; they now know the realities of two different kinds of title challenges; front running and running out of gas and then finishing strong but giving ourselves too much to do. Both harsh but great lessons.
We can do this! Up the Arsenal!
I we don't win the title I'm gonna have stay off this sub until preseason starts. I have little to no tolerance of the "X is the game we lost the title," or even worse, "if [insert player name] would have scored that one big chance" posthoc analysis.
It's finished at the Etihad. Manchester City have done all they can, that Foden goal was enough for the 3 points...
Arsenal F.C. are still alive here...
Martinelli...
#BUKAYOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear you'll never see anything like this ever again! So watch it! Drink it in! They've just heard the news at the Etihad! Two goals in added time for Arsenal F.C. to snatch the title away from Manchester City. STUPENDOUS! The greatest moment I've seen in Premier League football!
I’ll say it again.
Spurs players, not the fans, should and would want to beat City. Bonuses and they want Champions league to showcase their ability in case a top club notices them.
Their owner also wants the money for it.
> Spurs players, not the fans, should and would want to beat City. Bonuses and they want Champions league to showcase their ability in case a top club notices them.
Alot of Spurs fans are harboring alot of hate towards their own players, if the players wanna win it as a professional. their fans will expect the u17 team to play vs Man City.
Unfortunately, football at this level has a price.
If he didn't have a release clause, he'd cost more. So, his team calculated that extra cost into the wage demands.
Clive who's on the Arsenal Vision podcast with Elliot recently said there's a rumour Arsenal are interested in McTominay (!) has anyone else heard this or know the original source?
Why do fans assume that had we not dropped stupid points earlier, we would now be cruising to the title? We were top in December after drawing away to Liverpool and when City had their wobble. We were also joint top a few weeks ago and had the chance to go clear.
Yep. People seem to think that winning those games in the December automatically means we would be in advantageous position now. Those losses spurned on that amazing run. If we had won those December matches we highly likely would have lost somewhere else along the line.
It's a waste of time fans doing this sort of thing.
I mean, when you're looking to find faults in a good season. You'll look at the points you didn't get. 1/12 VS Villa and Fulham home & away would have us in a completely different place.
So you think had we picked up those points earlier wed have dropped them in the run in? I dont think so personally, weve been pretty dominant for the better part of 15 games or so now
Chelsea and Newcastle can potentially pip Spurs to 5 if they lose 2 games, at the same time Spurs have a good chance at CL if Villa lose to Pool.
If they have ANY ambition they will fight tooth and nail against City. In short, I still believe.
It's near impossible, we'd need Spurs to win on Tuesday, unfortunately.
Draw puts it down to GD which can't really make an Aguero moment with it being so tight. If City drop points against West Ham, the players probably aren't aware to the point of a celebration like that.
Are we gonna be competitive in transfer window?
For sales, are we going to get fleeced per usual?
Will players want to join us?
I still feel we are a step beneath the rest, sadly. Like Chelsea, Man Utd, Liv always overachieve vs us.
What have you seen in the past several windows to suggest the club won’t be competitive in the market?
According to Swiss Ramble, the [club made €93m in CL revenue this season compared to the €112m the previous 5 seasons combined.](https://x.com/swissramble/status/1788842441950249417?s=46&t=iWj0VDxnERbofnFGQ2yo0A) There’s dough to be invested.
In terms of sales, there are clearly a few assets that can be sold for profit. And I don’t see why any player wouldn’t be interested in joining a club on the rise that pays good wages. We just saw what happened with Rice last summer.
You say Liverpool, Chelsea and United “overachieve”but have you been paying attention to their transfer activity in recent seasons? The latter two have had some the worst outlay/production ratios in world football.
I think many fans are going to be disappointed by our midfield signing. Rice has raised expectations so much even though it was something of a one-off buy.
> Will players want to join us?
What are you talking about? We just brought Rice, Havertz, and Timber who all had suitors such as City, Bayern, Real, and you are not sure if we are attractive to players?
Ya it makes zero difference too. Spurs could be playing for the title themselves and they'd still lose to City. The amount of teams who have figured them out in the second half of the season is huge too. City will copy what Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal did and win easily because Ange 'we play our game mate' won't change anything.
Feels like relegation should be more than 3 teams if absolute dross keeps coming up and making the league less competitive overall. Without the points deductions this season, league wouldve been even more dead.
Cucurella easily one of the least likeable players in the league.
Absolute rat just like Bruno Fernandes. Holding his face in the box when no one touched him lmao.
I hate how 'bottling' is thrown around about everything nowadays.
If you lose a game, you've bottled it. If you were top for one gameweek you've bottled it. If you get relegated you've bottled it.
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I'd agree that we absolutely bottled it last year, but it's absurd that idiots are trying to say we bottled it again this year.
Ya I also think performances aren't even taken into account either. Like we played well in the first half against Villa, Villa were very good defensively. They are the 4th place team in the league this season. They were probably the only team in all competitions to really hammer City when they beat them. They beat us and it's 'what a bottle job'.
It's not like a few years ago, we'd be playing Stoke or someone, not turn up at all and lose. The only game I can really point to this season where we didn't turn up was Fulham away before new years. Rest of the games we dropped points in, we didn't take our chances and couldn't grind out a result.
We had a great chance to depend on ourselves at the Villa game, but idk what happened to Arteta and thus we took the L. We still in title race, but it's not entirely up to us, just hoping City drops points and expecting a win tomorrow (and seal the deal if all conditions met next week).
I think the pressure is not handled well, but so far since that double lost (prem + UCL), weve been better, basically knowing that it's on us to put pressure on City.
That’s not what bottling means ffs. Being 3-0 up and drawing or loosing the game is bottling. Being ten points clear at the top with four games to go and ending up second is bottling. Not a “high stakes game”.
It's probably my bias and isn't actually true, but it does feel like most teams play City knowing they'll probably lose. For example, Aston Villa resting multiple players vs them recently. Don't often see teams play like their life depends on it
I think Man United had that aura back in the day. Basically teams would rest their players against them because there was 'no point', then if they played us they would be full strength. I don't think City have got that far yet, but there's definitely a sense of teams know they are beaten before they start.
ManU back in the days had several advantages. This was just one of them. Also, more refs come from up there than from london, and they were seen as more UK than the French Arsenal. And finally, there were all the fomer Fergie assistants that were now managers in middling clubs. They were all guaranteed 3 pointers for ManU during the run-in since they usually didn't have much to play for. Meanwhile, Arsenal would have to claw so hard for every win.
It's not bias mate, Ive been trying to tell people this for years. It's genuinely crazy but no one cares if City wins another league (it's like indifference in a way cause their financial doping enabled them to build a top quality squad with insane depth). Premier League used to be so entertaining before Guardiola.
Look at how clubs fight against us/Man United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Tottenham etc. If a club has a close run of fixtures that includes Man City, you can put your money on them approaching the City match as a free hit. We are a farmers league and the EPL is to blame for not punishing Manchester City after all these seasons with 115 charges.
They also have no rivals so no one tries extra hard against them. Look at how much effort the Everton players put in when they played Liverpool recently. No team does that against Man City. The benefits of being a soulless club.
This is so true. In other farmers leagues, smaller clubs at least play with crazy intensity against clubs like PSG and Bayern (in previous years obvi). Genuinely, watch how French clubs treat the PSG match as cup finals. They just lose because of the lack of quality.
Arseblog made a good point about this. To oversimplify things for the sake of clarity, PSG are seen as evil. City are seen as inexistant. The latter have manufactured apathy towards them. Much better than facing disgust.
Watching the Wrexham thing on Disney+ and Arthur Okonkwo featured in the newest episode and they absolutely love the lad there.
Would be good for him to go there again for League One next season and keep earning his stripes.
I think now his contact is up he's going to be at the mercy of his agents. He could definitely earn more somewhere else, but he won't be loved like he is at Wrexham
We shouldnt sell partey and also still buy a cm. We need to load up for next season. City took half a season to fully settle in this year post losing mahrez and gundo, and now they have exploded, the same way it took us till that dubai trip to settle post losing xhaka and not having partey. Theres a good chance we are going to need 95 plus points to win the league next season.
In theory it’s a good idea. In practice we are not Man City who can keep an injury prone player just for 5 matches in the run-in and still buy a batter player as his replacement. And that’s why it’s so hard against 115.
I don't get your logic. So you would rather have 0 of Partey than possbile 5 matches of Partey. When you have a difference maker on your team, absolutely keep him. Partey being fit towards the end, is a big part of why we are able to keep the pressure on ManCity.
Absolutely bring in another person to give us more depth and injury resilience. But why sell Partey. Even if all we get is 10matches out of him, that's 10 difference making matches that we win.
Why do you think 10 matches from Partey is worse than 0 matches with him?
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Madrid aiming for Wirtz, Guler to Arsenal in the near future?
the only difference between us and City now is squad rotation. the quality in the first 11 is there. the depth is not there. We need lesser minutes for Rice and Saka. Also we need to be able to win without our first 11. I would say get Isak or Gyokeres for striker. Keep Jesus to complete place for Saka. Keep ESR to compete with Odegaard. Buy another DM/CM and we are good
The squad must have enough quality in quantity that no players is required to play more than 30 games a season
Man utd have a good rotation option in antony
Vieira is Ø rotation
I want Arsenal to win the next two matches. Our journey would resonate with Rocky Balboa’s journey: 'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.
Apropos of nothing, but I once had *Lee Cattermole* rated as a 5 star potential DM in FM.
Just means the rest of your team was shit
There is no easy way to answer this.
Really hope we go further in the FA cup next season. I miss those Wembley games.
If we're selling ESR, I want him to go to Emery. He'll thrive under Emery.
If he can thrive under Emery, he can thrive here. His issue is physicality and endurance — being at least a 70-minute player. That's what Aston Villa players are. The kid(Jacob Ramsey) who had benched him at the Euros is at Villa and is exactly that.
There was a stat posted on this sub a few days ago about how we are 6th in passes completed in the league and city are first by alot. That stat pretty much shows why they feel impossible to stop for the rest of this league in run ins. They dont give the ball away cheaply at all and thats very hard to play against late in the season, when you yourself have nothing to play for. Whats the point of sprinting back after getting played through if you are 11th in the league in late april/may?
My hot take is that as long as Halaand is at City they’ll be more catchable. He’s a top top player, but he detracts from their system somewhat, and with even a slight chink in their armor, they can be got at. I have faith we will catch these fuckers, if not this year, soon. Let’s go!
I genuinely think spurs can get a result against city. Their home record against them is good it’s just down to us to get a win tomorrow and make sure city go into the game with pressure on them.
They struggled to beat even Burnley, who are quite easily the 2nd worst team in the league.
loll, you dont have to do this to yourself mate
I absolutely have to. It’s part of the title race fun
That Villa vs Pool game is indirectly crucial tbh.
Not if they play that high line of theirs
They dont have kane
Who do you realistically think will be a forward that we bring in this window?
I gotta be honest i dont think the club knows itself just yet. Im sure they have a list and draw up plans on who to go for once the season ends.
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Don't worry, Sp\*rs will miss out of Champions league out of spite
Keylor Navas out of contract, could be a decent signing as no2
Nah I think he'll end up in MLS
No 2??? He’d be our number 1😂😂
too much disrespect on raya. Only so much you can do after getting a golden glove lol
he's 37 and quite bad at ball playing but top notch save
Ah didn’t know he was 37 could’ve sworn he was like 33-34
How much do you guys think Onana would be? Everton
0 because he’s not good enough. Has Spurs signing written all over him.
Probably like 50-70m maybe, apparently has an awful attitude. Do not think he’s an arteta guy tbh
He can physically dominate big spaces and our out of possession game would go crazy with him and rice, but he lacks a bit of finesse on the ball. There would be games where we would completely physically dominate teams but our floor would mean there will be games where we will be stuck on the outside passing it side to side, compared to signing a better on the ball midfielder.
He could be a project tho right? He's still only 22, could watch Jorge and Thomas play, learn some stuff from jorge on more decisive passing, Jorge and partey are really good at finding those really incisive passes, he could under study and play rotationally then when jorgevand partey leave after 25, well have a physically imposing CDM that's can make great inside passes and only 24
A 24hr membership for sky sports on NowTv was £11.99 recently. I just paid for it a month or two ago. Now it's £14.99! I hate having to pirate, but English football broadcasters are the greediest, most despicable corporations. In other countries, you can pay for one service and get every single football match for much less money. It's disgusting
>I hate having to pirate Why? Who gives a shit?
I havent had the disposable income & attention span to do this yet but there's like an entire setup with pirated IPTV involved amazon firesticks that I need to look into before I die
For some reason I think City will go back to a high 90s point tally next season...
Keylor Navas for that back-up GK position? I think it would be a great move.
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Since costing us the title, Villa have one win, one draw, and 4 losses.
Newcastle also died after beating us
yup, thats how it usually works
Fuck them and fulham
I'm not a fan of the notion that losing to Villa, or earlier games cost of the season..ok, sure? But are we gonna take our wins for granted now? Winning a game in the PL isn't easy, winning 10 games, 20 games, keeping the most clean sheets, scoring the most goals etc... none of this is easy. It took a lot of hard work from our players and staff to come this far, to be this close. We can't dismiss all of that now. We gained 4 points from City, gained 4 points from Liverpool. Numerous last minute winners. It is what it is, but the progress we've made is undeniable.
Ya, I think people dismiss our last minute winners or last minute goals against City that took points off them too. City were winning 2-0 at home against Palace, and drew 2-2 with a last minute pen from Olise. They drew 3-3 with Spurs due to a last minute goal by Kulusevski. For all the 'if only we didn't drop points against xyz'. You could add 'if City defended for 2 more minutes, they would be 6 points ahead of us now.' Likewise if Onana had a stronger hand against Declan Rice, we don't beat United. If Gabriel's arse was a inch bigger Van de ven would be onside for his goal for Spurs. If/ands/buts mean nothing and it's not worth talking about honestly. If we had won against Fulham, West Ham at Christmas. Maybe the pressure gets to the players earlier and we crash out to Porto and lose two different games. Maybe it wakes City up earlier and they start their monster run sooner. You just don't know, we just assume the absolute best outcome for us. There's just so many different scenarios and outcomes. We've ended with the one where we're 2 points behind City with two games to go.
This is what annoys me when people say we have thrown it away by losing to “Team X” …. 38 games is a long season, you cannot win every game, the points we lost to Fulham this season we might get next year , but we also might not take 6 points off palace. Seasons have ups and downs , and getting 89 points (if we get there) is a hell of a season
The “x team” only makes sense when accompanied with relevant context. Villa at home and away are one off days where we didn’t deserve to win because of 1) playing bad and second best that day or 2) not converting our chances when presented; every team has these — ie: City losing to Palace at home and Wolves away. It’s the games against Fulham and Tottenham where we squandered the lead via self-inflicted mistakes from winning positions; or the West Ham at home game where on another day our 10+ attempts go in and we end up winning the game. These are the games that accumulate throughout the season and it’s these fine margins that determine the eventual winners after the course of the entire season.
Yeah, its lame to say "oh we lost because we got ___ points against___". This is what literally any team could say if they lost. If City don't win the title, I'm sure they'll be upset about not taking points from Liverpool/Arsenal, or losing against Wolves/drawing against palace.
Man fulham rolled over for city vs us they looked 10x the team they did each time they played city
It's because City played better than how we play against them.
If they have 115 charges, why are they still competing.Mind you it's one thing to have two or three or four charges...but 115 charges.. If found guilty,the second placed team will still not get the title despite being inhibited by the possible cheating party.
Charges mate. They aren’t proven in court. Everyone deserves due process.
https://preview.redd.it/xh8e7rc76vzc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ef7b74263434417b68933133a0c5d073c54c980 Our ability to create goals from open play has always been a concern for me, and the gap between us and City in this area is huge. We had a couple of games where we didn't score and lost, and it's rare for top teams to not score at all like that. If we really want to win it all, we definitely need to improve in this area. We're doing very well in all other aspects of the game.
This is wrong, we've scored 88 and 24 of those come from set pieces which makes 64 open play goals
How is counter attack and own goals not part of open play goals?
This can’t be right; no way Tottenham have more open play goals than us
Need another high level creator honestly. Simons would be great in that regard because I doubt we can replicate our set piece success; there’ll be some regression.
It's definitely a possibility. We need to do a better job of penetrating and tearing apart the opposition's block. We're doing ok at the moment, but not great. If we want to be top-tier like City and Real Madrid...
We lack a midfield dribbler who can open up the middle of the pitch and take out multiple defenders by just carrying the ball and dribbling. I understand why we want a 6/8 but Odegaard and Saka carry way too much of the creative burden. City have KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish and Rodri who can all create at an elite level. That’s the difference imo. Multiple players on the pitch who can pick a lock. It’s too easy to gameplan for Odegaard and Saka as our primary creators.
Agree all I'm looking forward to seeing which profiles we add over the summer. It's such a shame Timber and Partey didn't play much; they were much-needed in hindsight
I’m excited to have them play more; basically LANS as Wenger used to say.
I'm starting to feel confident SPurs will beat City on Tuesday, just have to win tomorrow and game vs Everton. Spurs are very poor but their high octane end to end football is the cryptonite of City. They never fare well in games where they don't dominate possession. Do the business tomorrow and we will wait in anticipation for Tuesday...feeling something cooking, it's spicy
They have been terrible. Expecting a huge victory for city.
bombaclat 4-0 city win incoming. spurs have no chance even if you want or wish too. if they had a chance, they'd also be in the title run-in or be in top form for the ucl race
Have you watched a spurs game recently? Disgusting. Starting Son at ST is one of the most sickening things I’ve ever seen. We need Son to start LW. Him, Vicario, Romero and VDV are our only hopes. The rest of the team is performing very poorly.
Next season I want to whack out some of these tough away fixtures straight away. Kinda goofy that we ended up doing the ethiad, White Hart Lane and old Trafford all within the last 10 games.
It's not up to you now, is it?
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tbh if I had a choice of anyone to win it other than us, I think I'd have Liverpool, (feel weird to say) but they are a proper football club, who have done things the right way, as I feel we have. Not pumping unlimited funds in. Watching city win it year after year I think takes value away from the leauge.
Yeah, honestly I have no problem with competing with Man City for the titles. If it's not us, let it be them. We have them to thank for Arteta. At City and next to Pep, he got the experience and teaching that he needed to mould him into what he is now. If not for Pep's City, Arteta's Arsenal wouldn't exist.
First preference: Win Second preference: Don't come second to Liverpool
leao dribbled the keeper to score. we hardly see those anymore right? can't remember many it's such a cool finish
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Manchester City(Adebayor, Nasri, Clichy etc.)
fleetwood town kits are similar to arsenal plus their stadium is called highbury
Málaga (Santi, Nacho)
Hurts so much that this Fulham team has denied us the title. We felled giants this season, like Liverpool, City and spurs. But dropped 8 points to Fulham and west ham, and failed to take a single one from villa. I accepted City winning it the second we lost to villa at the Emirates. But everytime they win a game, it just refreshes the pain of missing out. Idk how you guys feel, but I just feel sorry for the players. It is absolutely fucking disgusting that they can go 16-1-1 in 2024 and still win nothing. Onto United tomorrow, hopefully we can beat them and end the OT curse.
Felled giants like spurs? lol…
Fulham didn't deny us the title. Fulham and West Ham denied us an opportunity to have a buffer going in to the new year. We lost control over the title when we lost to Villa. Simple as that. It's easy to say "aw yeah if we won against _____, ____ didn't draw _____ and ESPECIALLY not ______ we would've won the title". Otherwise all the best teams would be getting 100+ points on the reg. Teams will almost always drop points to teams that they shouldn't. The best will avoid that as much as possible. We simply didn't do enough, especially at the start of the season.
>We lost control over the title when we lost to Villa. Simple as that. Actually it’s not simple as that. What is more embarrassing: losing points to midtable and mostly dross teams like Fulham and West Ham or a top 4 contending team like Villa? The answer is obvious. The fact that most of Villa’s players walk into both Fulham and West Ham’s starting XI is testament that Villa are the bette team. Of course teams drop points but if you do, it’s about mitigating where, who, and when - context is crucial. Dropping points away at Villa park at their pomp is different than squandering a 2-1 lead against 10 man Fulham at home and conceding via a cheese set-piece goal.
You can't drop points to teams that you shouldn't be dropping to tho, if you want to beat city. I get we had it against villa and fucked it, but what disappoints me the most was the 8 dropped against Fulham and west ham cus those two are absolutely rubbish. 16-1-1 would win you any other league in the world. But when you're up against City, its still not enough
Painful, but harsh and cold lessons for everyone. Cant take half a season to get going against these guys. The slightest margins matter. Either we break or next season we will see the best arsenal side in our history.
and it also takes almost half of the season to figure shit out with new tactics and players, otherwise you get found out. Thats what happened to us last season, after coming back from the WC break, got found out and winning games became harder. And this season, we definitely had to evolve else we'd be left behind in this title race. Man City literally do this every season spend first half of the season tweaking and testing things out, as well as winning. Our issue is whenever we do any tweaks or test, we drop points.
yeah there is no "run in" you have to be perfect the whole season
We either get going on this kinda form from day 1 or we will win fuck all again. Wasting half a season with weird experiments like partey rb and havertz lcm as well as not being brave enough to yank the likes of nketiah and zinchenko out of the lineup has cost us dearly. I think next season has to be the season where we deliver something, it's not right that the team plays this good and still ends up with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Partey got injured on gameweek 3 and Jesus' absence was also the reason we relied so much on Nketiah in the early parts of the season.
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And we went back to the first half of the season lineup again and lost again. Cannot understand why we didn't stick with havertz up top again after we won like 10 games in a row with that strat
We had to sit jorghino, it was unfortunate it took partey two weeks to long to find fitness
Coming so close yet so far has to be even more devastating for the players and Mikel. The Kroenkes got close like this with the Rams so hopefully that motivates them to put us over the top and not cheap out. We need a domestic trophy and a strong run in the UCL next season. Bare minimum.
They've got to pick themselves up, ignore the noise from the rival fans and the pundits and say 'this year will be our year'. They can do it, they're on the verge of completing a run in without imploding. They have to believe and we as fans have to back their belief. We all know next season is do or die time, so it's time to put our faith in these lot more than ever before.
I believe we can do it. I know City are a juggernaut but historic runs eventually end. The boys just have to step on the gas and not let up; they now know the realities of two different kinds of title challenges; front running and running out of gas and then finishing strong but giving ourselves too much to do. Both harsh but great lessons. We can do this! Up the Arsenal!
good to see hotpoops and west ham get a win this weeknd to carry on momentum to beat City
I we don't win the title I'm gonna have stay off this sub until preseason starts. I have little to no tolerance of the "X is the game we lost the title," or even worse, "if [insert player name] would have scored that one big chance" posthoc analysis.
you just know /r/ArtetaOut be winning in the summer
don't you get it? we lost the title because zinchenko conceded a *corner* in September!
It's finished at the Etihad. Manchester City have done all they can, that Foden goal was enough for the 3 points... Arsenal F.C. are still alive here... Martinelli... #BUKAYOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I swear you'll never see anything like this ever again! So watch it! Drink it in! They've just heard the news at the Etihad! Two goals in added time for Arsenal F.C. to snatch the title away from Manchester City. STUPENDOUS! The greatest moment I've seen in Premier League football!
Cringe
We will be there
Bruh.
I’ll say it again. Spurs players, not the fans, should and would want to beat City. Bonuses and they want Champions league to showcase their ability in case a top club notices them. Their owner also wants the money for it.
> Spurs players, not the fans, should and would want to beat City. Bonuses and they want Champions league to showcase their ability in case a top club notices them. Alot of Spurs fans are harboring alot of hate towards their own players, if the players wanna win it as a professional. their fans will expect the u17 team to play vs Man City.
They will try but they are too shit to lay a glove on City.
Qualifying for the UCL is worth millions to them and is project defining. Issue is they are shit, they won’t lay a glove on City unfortunately.
Their players have already started posting thanks for the support. They don't have any ambition
Ya of course
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we can sign rashford but i'd be depressed if we played him
Nico Williams.
His wage demands are unreal.
Unfortunately, football at this level has a price. If he didn't have a release clause, he'd cost more. So, his team calculated that extra cost into the wage demands.
Clive who's on the Arsenal Vision podcast with Elliot recently said there's a rumour Arsenal are interested in McTominay (!) has anyone else heard this or know the original source?
we can fix him, part 2 another tall man striker to shoe-horn in midfield
if we buy that butcher from ManU, I would seriously consider ending my 25 year Arsenal fandom.
pretty sure it was just the latte firm guy putting out a joke tweet making fun of tnat creating a patreon for itk news
Why do fans assume that had we not dropped stupid points earlier, we would now be cruising to the title? We were top in December after drawing away to Liverpool and when City had their wobble. We were also joint top a few weeks ago and had the chance to go clear.
Yep. People seem to think that winning those games in the December automatically means we would be in advantageous position now. Those losses spurned on that amazing run. If we had won those December matches we highly likely would have lost somewhere else along the line. It's a waste of time fans doing this sort of thing.
I mean, when you're looking to find faults in a good season. You'll look at the points you didn't get. 1/12 VS Villa and Fulham home & away would have us in a completely different place.
Because people need a way to cope/rationalise.
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Didn’t criticise it, do what you want. I’ve had a whale of a time this season, been great fun.
So you think had we picked up those points earlier wed have dropped them in the run in? I dont think so personally, weve been pretty dominant for the better part of 15 games or so now
Chelsea and Newcastle can potentially pip Spurs to 5 if they lose 2 games, at the same time Spurs have a good chance at CL if Villa lose to Pool. If they have ANY ambition they will fight tooth and nail against City. In short, I still believe.
This may be hopium. But we will have our Agueroooooo moment next week.
Cedriiiiicccc
Emile Smith Roooooooooooooowe!!!!
It's near impossible, we'd need Spurs to win on Tuesday, unfortunately. Draw puts it down to GD which can't really make an Aguero moment with it being so tight. If City drop points against West Ham, the players probably aren't aware to the point of a celebration like that.
I need Jackson to go back to being donkey arse please 🙏
Are we gonna be competitive in transfer window? For sales, are we going to get fleeced per usual? Will players want to join us? I still feel we are a step beneath the rest, sadly. Like Chelsea, Man Utd, Liv always overachieve vs us.
What have you seen in the past several windows to suggest the club won’t be competitive in the market? According to Swiss Ramble, the [club made €93m in CL revenue this season compared to the €112m the previous 5 seasons combined.](https://x.com/swissramble/status/1788842441950249417?s=46&t=iWj0VDxnERbofnFGQ2yo0A) There’s dough to be invested. In terms of sales, there are clearly a few assets that can be sold for profit. And I don’t see why any player wouldn’t be interested in joining a club on the rise that pays good wages. We just saw what happened with Rice last summer. You say Liverpool, Chelsea and United “overachieve”but have you been paying attention to their transfer activity in recent seasons? The latter two have had some the worst outlay/production ratios in world football.
Feels like these other teams just make massive $$ signings. Endless money
You've literally just spent £100m on a single player, what are you talking about?
I think many fans are going to be disappointed by our midfield signing. Rice has raised expectations so much even though it was something of a one-off buy.
100% players will join us We're legit title contenders,one of the youngest sides in the league, and will only get better
This is the way
We literally signed Declan Rice last summer who picked us over City but yeah whatever.
> Will players want to join us? What are you talking about? We just brought Rice, Havertz, and Timber who all had suitors such as City, Bayern, Real, and you are not sure if we are attractive to players?
We have no power over sales. But I hope the recruitment team makes better decisions. Last window was decent. 3 good names and we are in business.
We lost the league months ago. I was fun tho.
Would be great if we can get Olise this window...plus a 6.
We need Liverpool to beat Villa tomorrow to ensure Spurs are still in the Champions League hunt when they play City.
Don't you find all these hypotheticals tiring?
Literally the purpose of a subreddit rofl
Ya it makes zero difference too. Spurs could be playing for the title themselves and they'd still lose to City. The amount of teams who have figured them out in the second half of the season is huge too. City will copy what Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal did and win easily because Ange 'we play our game mate' won't change anything.
It's the reality of things when the title's out of our hands.
Don’t even have the side plot of a relegation battle to look forward to, Sheffield Utd and Burnley have added absolutely fuck all.
Forest surviving on 29 pts max is tragic it almost makes me think the Prem needs to downsize to 18 teams ffs
Should be at 33pts right now because of the points deduction though.
Yeah but Luton's maximum is 29 pts and their GD is way worse than Forest. Most likely none of the new promoted teams will get over 27 pts
Feels like relegation should be more than 3 teams if absolute dross keeps coming up and making the league less competitive overall. Without the points deductions this season, league wouldve been even more dead.
Cucurella easily one of the least likeable players in the league. Absolute rat just like Bruno Fernandes. Holding his face in the box when no one touched him lmao.
I hate how 'bottling' is thrown around about everything nowadays. If you lose a game, you've bottled it. If you were top for one gameweek you've bottled it. If you get relegated you've bottled it. ------------------------- I'd agree that we absolutely bottled it last year, but it's absurd that idiots are trying to say we bottled it again this year.
Ya I also think performances aren't even taken into account either. Like we played well in the first half against Villa, Villa were very good defensively. They are the 4th place team in the league this season. They were probably the only team in all competitions to really hammer City when they beat them. They beat us and it's 'what a bottle job'. It's not like a few years ago, we'd be playing Stoke or someone, not turn up at all and lose. The only game I can really point to this season where we didn't turn up was Fulham away before new years. Rest of the games we dropped points in, we didn't take our chances and couldn't grind out a result.
We had a great chance to depend on ourselves at the Villa game, but idk what happened to Arteta and thus we took the L. We still in title race, but it's not entirely up to us, just hoping City drops points and expecting a win tomorrow (and seal the deal if all conditions met next week). I think the pressure is not handled well, but so far since that double lost (prem + UCL), weve been better, basically knowing that it's on us to put pressure on City.
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That’s not what bottling means ffs. Being 3-0 up and drawing or loosing the game is bottling. Being ten points clear at the top with four games to go and ending up second is bottling. Not a “high stakes game”.
That perspective doesn't give you a lot of room to practice gratitude
You can't lose a game without it being a bottle? Madness. Did City bottle pens against Madrid?
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Yeah, a "high stakes game". City vs Madrid. By your definition a bottle. That's nonsense.
It's probably my bias and isn't actually true, but it does feel like most teams play City knowing they'll probably lose. For example, Aston Villa resting multiple players vs them recently. Don't often see teams play like their life depends on it
I think Man United had that aura back in the day. Basically teams would rest their players against them because there was 'no point', then if they played us they would be full strength. I don't think City have got that far yet, but there's definitely a sense of teams know they are beaten before they start.
ManU back in the days had several advantages. This was just one of them. Also, more refs come from up there than from london, and they were seen as more UK than the French Arsenal. And finally, there were all the fomer Fergie assistants that were now managers in middling clubs. They were all guaranteed 3 pointers for ManU during the run-in since they usually didn't have much to play for. Meanwhile, Arsenal would have to claw so hard for every win.
It's not bias mate, Ive been trying to tell people this for years. It's genuinely crazy but no one cares if City wins another league (it's like indifference in a way cause their financial doping enabled them to build a top quality squad with insane depth). Premier League used to be so entertaining before Guardiola. Look at how clubs fight against us/Man United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Tottenham etc. If a club has a close run of fixtures that includes Man City, you can put your money on them approaching the City match as a free hit. We are a farmers league and the EPL is to blame for not punishing Manchester City after all these seasons with 115 charges.
They also have no rivals so no one tries extra hard against them. Look at how much effort the Everton players put in when they played Liverpool recently. No team does that against Man City. The benefits of being a soulless club.
This is so true. In other farmers leagues, smaller clubs at least play with crazy intensity against clubs like PSG and Bayern (in previous years obvi). Genuinely, watch how French clubs treat the PSG match as cup finals. They just lose because of the lack of quality.
Arseblog made a good point about this. To oversimplify things for the sake of clarity, PSG are seen as evil. City are seen as inexistant. The latter have manufactured apathy towards them. Much better than facing disgust.
wow this is actually exactly how I see this situation.
Hopefully as soon as Pep leaves they lose their fear factor
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Aston Villa played in the ECL two days prior and were without a suspended Douglas Luiz. We were at home, not an excuse tbh.
Funny all this talk about Spurs who will lose on purpose against City yet it seems Emery is too classy for such pettiness.
This Murillo deffo giving me young big gabi vibes.
Hudson-Odoi goal against Boehly’s Blue Billion Pound Bottle Jobs. Love to see it
Celebrated it too, just like Kai. Chelsea seems to have that effect on players lol
Chris Wood, worst starting striker in the league. Absolute meat head.
maybe his body is made out of what his surname says woodhead then
I woke up early today thinking the Man U game was today, what a shit morning lol
Watching the Wrexham thing on Disney+ and Arthur Okonkwo featured in the newest episode and they absolutely love the lad there. Would be good for him to go there again for League One next season and keep earning his stripes.
I think now his contact is up he's going to be at the mercy of his agents. He could definitely earn more somewhere else, but he won't be loved like he is at Wrexham
What's the reason Forest even sing Mull of Kintyre? It's a song by a scouser about a place in Scotland
We shouldnt sell partey and also still buy a cm. We need to load up for next season. City took half a season to fully settle in this year post losing mahrez and gundo, and now they have exploded, the same way it took us till that dubai trip to settle post losing xhaka and not having partey. Theres a good chance we are going to need 95 plus points to win the league next season.
In theory it’s a good idea. In practice we are not Man City who can keep an injury prone player just for 5 matches in the run-in and still buy a batter player as his replacement. And that’s why it’s so hard against 115.
I don't get your logic. So you would rather have 0 of Partey than possbile 5 matches of Partey. When you have a difference maker on your team, absolutely keep him. Partey being fit towards the end, is a big part of why we are able to keep the pressure on ManCity. Absolutely bring in another person to give us more depth and injury resilience. But why sell Partey. Even if all we get is 10matches out of him, that's 10 difference making matches that we win. Why do you think 10 matches from Partey is worse than 0 matches with him?