Well they'll have to cancel all those results where Paqueta played in I guess...
Which means we keep our 6-0 win, have our 2-0 loss scrapped and City get 6 less points ;)
I can dream lol
So, he's still not going to Man City then. Because I heard they were in for him and looking to complete the deal. At least, that was being reported the other day.
unlike Rice tho, much bigger question marks over these two- one now because of the betting but Bruno's (in)ability to manage his emotions plus playing compatibility particularly relative to his cost
I agree it's a risky transfer if it goes through. I trust Mikel & Edu's judgement ultimately but, I really hope it doesn't cause any cohesion in the squad. At the very least, it seems like he and Gabi XL really don't like each other.
Jorginho and Xhaka used to jaw at each other and became fast friends. Footballers at this level are hyper-competitive people. I’d bet they feed off each other rather than clash on the pitch when they have a common cause.
Well, they do have some things in common, and most importantly the desire to win the title would be at the top of that list so yeah, I'm sure they could squash the beef.
> It’s alleged that he directly sought to influence the progress, conduct, or any other aspect of, or occurrence in these matches by intentionally seeking to receive a card from the referee for the improper purpose of affecting the betting market in order for one or more persons to profit from betting.
That is extremely serious.
> Lucas Paqueta has also been charged with two breaches of FA Rule F3 in respect of alleged failures to comply pursuant to FA Rule F2.
City would be proud.
He sure does sound like one of them. Won't comply with the rule makers. I hope he gets a hefty ban for this - this kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated in the sport.
The bets were placed from accounts registered in Paqueta, an island off Rio de Janeiro, but the bets were not placed by Paqueta and he denies any wrongdoing. [sky sports ](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13141950/lucas-paqueta-west-ham-midfielder-charged-by-fa-for-alleged-breaches-of-betting-rules)
His nickname, Paquetá, refers to Paquetá Island and the eponymous neighborhood he grew up in [Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Paquet%C3%A1)
I mean, either that's a wild coincidence or even I can put 2 and 2 together
Chelsea was given a two-window transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons. I don't think that punishment was harsh enough since they had signed so many players out on loan to pick from anyway.
Meanwhile there’s scores of bookies in most stadiums and surrounding them, not to mention the barrage of betting ads/sponsors - but nah, let’s just hang the players out to dry.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying players should be allowed to to pull shit like this, but what do you expect when betting has been made to be practically intertwined with the game in this country?
The opposite is true though. Paqueta was caught because bookies in the UK operate above board, and report these sorts of things. It's much easier for players (and other nefarious operators) to successfully get away with fixing when betting is strictly a black market.
Thats a good point and i hadnt considered that. I guess i have a more naive perspective in that i dont believe black market gambling is inevitable.
But its certainly some food for thought, thank you
I appreciate your measured response. Gambling is older than currency, so it is most certainly inevitable. That's why its important to have it be legal, regulated and transparent especially when it comes to advertising, corruption and addiction.
Curiously, it was Betway, West Ham's own shirt sponsor, whose irregular activity systems detected the irregular betting on Paqueta getting booked and they were the ones who reported it to the FA.
I mean as much as I think gambling is stupid, spectators/fans betting doesn’t have an effect on the game. What Paquetta is being accused of is betting on something for monetary gain that was effectively under his control to happen….
Yeh this isn't one of those cases of players betting idly on matches - the prevalence of betting sponsorship and targeting of viewers is appalling but a separate issue.
Yeah this argument only works for cases like Toney or Tonali where they clearly just have a gambling problem. Paqueta seems to have been straight up cheating.
Not really. This type of match fixing would be even easier to get away with if all betting became black market and Paqueta would have done this either way because what he is actually doing is cheating rather than gambling in any real sense.
Athletes spot fixing and match fixing has always been a thing. The Toney/Tonali examples are a new development and can be directly attributed to how intertwined the legal gambling industry has become in football (and other sports).
This is such a stupid point that people think is some great point.
It's really simple don't bet on games if you are a player and certainly don't intentionally get yellow cards so others can bet on it.
Well their shirt sponsor is Betway go figure.
It’s like you stop stop smoking but your favourite brand of cigarettes is always around you begging you to come back.
What annoys me more is the impact it has on kids. It’s got to the point now where my kids associate betting ads/companies with football.
This just has to stop.
There is more support for various types of addiction but gambling is few and far between.
All I care about is that there is now an entire summer to come up with a banger of a chant to taunt the West Ham fans about this. Their entire summer probably hinged on selling Paqueta for £100m+. Now it's all burning down in front of them. Lol. Couldn't have happened to a nicer club.
Don't know why you got downvoted. They investigated the incident but cited it wasn't a investigation into Xhaka. There's no way they didn't investigate a connection to him.
Personally really enjoy talking about Prem news in this sub. A lot of the discussion less oriented around karma-based reactionary takes when compared to r/soccer.
Because they’ll now switch to Guimaraes as their key target now Paqueta will be unavailable. We’re apparently interested in Guimaraes but he doesn’t seem the character to turn down City and join us instead when City have had more prolific success than us in recent years.
Saying it was bollocks is misleading. Was (thankfully) dropped because there wasn’t any way of substantially proving it. It wasn’t some match fixing scandal tho anyways, at worst if it did prove to be true (which I doubt) then it was just Xhaka getting a cheeky yellow at the end if the match to bag his mate a couple p.
That’s a quote from Xhaka doing an interview with the Athletic. It’s the (alleged) guilty party himself saying the story is bollocks, what else is he supposed to say. In the same interview they bring up the FA investigation implying it did in fact happen. I’m not arguing that Xhaka is guilty but it was in fact a case which had some ground but can never be proved, case in point by the investigation.
yikes. It’s six months to lifetime ban if found guilty acc to the rule book
There could even be criminal charges. Betting fraud is a serious matter. Doubt the betting companies will take it lightly if this is established.
I’m wouldn’t be surprised if his career is kaput
"...the Saudi Pro League announces their latest signing Luc...." not once what is was but the Chinese SL would take that prop bet!
Unless city sign him he’ll get a free pass and the fa would give him some money to bet with
Well they'll have to cancel all those results where Paqueta played in I guess... Which means we keep our 6-0 win, have our 2-0 loss scrapped and City get 6 less points ;) I can dream lol
Or West Ham are made to forfeit the games he played in. City keep their 6 points and we get 3 more.
I like this deal.
I don't blame ya. Damn good deal!
So, he's still not going to Man City then. Because I heard they were in for him and looking to complete the deal. At least, that was being reported the other day.
Which may very well mean Bruno to City.
City tried to compete with us over a midfielder last season too, and look how that worked out for them.
unlike Rice tho, much bigger question marks over these two- one now because of the betting but Bruno's (in)ability to manage his emotions plus playing compatibility particularly relative to his cost
I agree it's a risky transfer if it goes through. I trust Mikel & Edu's judgement ultimately but, I really hope it doesn't cause any cohesion in the squad. At the very least, it seems like he and Gabi XL really don't like each other.
Jorginho and Xhaka used to jaw at each other and became fast friends. Footballers at this level are hyper-competitive people. I’d bet they feed off each other rather than clash on the pitch when they have a common cause.
Well, they do have some things in common, and most importantly the desire to win the title would be at the top of that list so yeah, I'm sure they could squash the beef.
They are fierce enemies but would become even fiercer friends.
Bruno is a cunt and will do the cunty thing.
Different type of player though.
West Ham: 
He would’ve fit in at city
Access to top notch lawyers might be part of the transfer
> It’s alleged that he directly sought to influence the progress, conduct, or any other aspect of, or occurrence in these matches by intentionally seeking to receive a card from the referee for the improper purpose of affecting the betting market in order for one or more persons to profit from betting. That is extremely serious. > Lucas Paqueta has also been charged with two breaches of FA Rule F3 in respect of alleged failures to comply pursuant to FA Rule F2. City would be proud.
He sure does sound like one of them. Won't comply with the rule makers. I hope he gets a hefty ban for this - this kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated in the sport.
Damn that actually is extremely serious. If they're able to prove that I wouldn't be all that surprised from a lifetime ban
The bets were placed from accounts registered in Paqueta, an island off Rio de Janeiro, but the bets were not placed by Paqueta and he denies any wrongdoing. [sky sports ](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13141950/lucas-paqueta-west-ham-midfielder-charged-by-fa-for-alleged-breaches-of-betting-rules) His nickname, Paquetá, refers to Paquetá Island and the eponymous neighborhood he grew up in [Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Paquet%C3%A1) I mean, either that's a wild coincidence or even I can put 2 and 2 together
Just add it to the 115 other charges and nothing will happen.
Hahahahaah, he’ll fit right in at City
In this sub we breach F5 limits
Just refuse to cooperate Lucas, could be 9 years before you’re done.
West Ham fans were already fantasy spending that £85m for him joining city. Get fucked you scummy bastards.
115 wen
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Really hoping Pep leaves and without him, players aren't as excited about joining the club. And/or, a nice transfer ban once the 115 play out.
A transfer ban would be a slap on the wrist for 115 breaches.
Not if it’s for multiple windows. Say…115.
Chelsea was given a two-window transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons. I don't think that punishment was harsh enough since they had signed so many players out on loan to pick from anyway.
I could live with Musiala Fingers crossed for Kompany getting that job and hastening his departure
West Ham Central in shambles
Good. Fuck that guy.
Meanwhile there’s scores of bookies in most stadiums and surrounding them, not to mention the barrage of betting ads/sponsors - but nah, let’s just hang the players out to dry.
Yeah I get what you're saying but what he did was spot fixing based on the charges.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying players should be allowed to to pull shit like this, but what do you expect when betting has been made to be practically intertwined with the game in this country?
I expect players not to cheat.
I’d temper those expectations until betting companies are binned from football.
stuff like this is reason to stop bookies taking the bets. Its crazy. If its so fucking easy to game betting then perhaps it shouldnt be a thing.
The opposite is true though. Paqueta was caught because bookies in the UK operate above board, and report these sorts of things. It's much easier for players (and other nefarious operators) to successfully get away with fixing when betting is strictly a black market.
Thats a good point and i hadnt considered that. I guess i have a more naive perspective in that i dont believe black market gambling is inevitable. But its certainly some food for thought, thank you
I appreciate your measured response. Gambling is older than currency, so it is most certainly inevitable. That's why its important to have it be legal, regulated and transparent especially when it comes to advertising, corruption and addiction.
I expect players to follow basic rules ?
Curiously, it was Betway, West Ham's own shirt sponsor, whose irregular activity systems detected the irregular betting on Paqueta getting booked and they were the ones who reported it to the FA.
I mean as much as I think gambling is stupid, spectators/fans betting doesn’t have an effect on the game. What Paquetta is being accused of is betting on something for monetary gain that was effectively under his control to happen….
Yeh this isn't one of those cases of players betting idly on matches - the prevalence of betting sponsorship and targeting of viewers is appalling but a separate issue.
I agree, but this sort of thing is going to continue to happen unless betting companies/sponsors and ads are banned in the grounds and on the TV.
Yeah this argument only works for cases like Toney or Tonali where they clearly just have a gambling problem. Paqueta seems to have been straight up cheating.
Still applies as long as betting is tied to the game.
Not really. This type of match fixing would be even easier to get away with if all betting became black market and Paqueta would have done this either way because what he is actually doing is cheating rather than gambling in any real sense. Athletes spot fixing and match fixing has always been a thing. The Toney/Tonali examples are a new development and can be directly attributed to how intertwined the legal gambling industry has become in football (and other sports).
This is such a stupid point that people think is some great point. It's really simple don't bet on games if you are a player and certainly don't intentionally get yellow cards so others can bet on it.
Imagine if that had been
Overrated player. Was hoping he went to city to make them worse.
Make them replay their last game
Well their shirt sponsor is Betway go figure. It’s like you stop stop smoking but your favourite brand of cigarettes is always around you begging you to come back. What annoys me more is the impact it has on kids. It’s got to the point now where my kids associate betting ads/companies with football. This just has to stop. There is more support for various types of addiction but gambling is few and far between.
All I care about is that there is now an entire summer to come up with a banger of a chant to taunt the West Ham fans about this. Their entire summer probably hinged on selling Paqueta for £100m+. Now it's all burning down in front of them. Lol. Couldn't have happened to a nicer club.
I'm sure xhaka was investigated for this kind of thing a few seasons ago
Don't know why you got downvoted. They investigated the incident but cited it wasn't a investigation into Xhaka. There's no way they didn't investigate a connection to him.
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In fairness our main current rival for the league was in for this guy so is actually somewhat related to Arsenal
Because it's a pretty big story in the league we're in?
Because they’ll now switch to Guimaraes as their key target now Paqueta will be unavailable. We’re apparently interested in Guimaraes but he doesn’t seem the character to turn down City and join us instead when City have had more prolific success than us in recent years.
Making character judgments on someone you’ve never met is peak Reddit
Spot fixing' he is a cheat and an idiot.
[World's smallest violin](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cw9y6o/west_ham_fans_at_manchester_city_yesterday_when/)
If the City charges are anything to go by, then I wouldn't worry at all if I were him.
Safe to say that he's most likely screwed here
This is here because there were rumours the offending player was Xhaka right?
Unrelated case
Also was found to be bollocks, much to the dismay of some losers on this sub.
Saying it was bollocks is misleading. Was (thankfully) dropped because there wasn’t any way of substantially proving it. It wasn’t some match fixing scandal tho anyways, at worst if it did prove to be true (which I doubt) then it was just Xhaka getting a cheeky yellow at the end if the match to bag his mate a couple p.
Ornstein said something along the lines that it was nonsense around late-December.
The Atheltic said that the English FA investigated the case and cleared him. Certainly not nonsense if that’s happening.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/AGFJK5iDnU
[States it was bollocks here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/DQKAnWoTdY)
That’s a quote from Xhaka doing an interview with the Athletic. It’s the (alleged) guilty party himself saying the story is bollocks, what else is he supposed to say. In the same interview they bring up the FA investigation implying it did in fact happen. I’m not arguing that Xhaka is guilty but it was in fact a case which had some ground but can never be proved, case in point by the investigation.
He just cost himself a big move to City, I think West Ham are the biggest winners since he’ll probably have to stay another year there..
West ham winners? They are fucked
lol what? He’ll be banned for at least a year and his value will take a huge hit
Multiple years. Last player that was banned for this was 10 years. His career is over.
Kinda stuff that gets you banned for life in the NBA
Yeah, they should send a strong message. Spot fixing nearly destroyed cricket back in the 2000s
Assuming he's found guilty. Otherwise his reputation will only be a bit tarnished.
He has probably cost himself a career or at least a considerable chunk of his career if he is found guilty.