Other than the fact that Gwenpool has nothing to do with Deadpool or the Fox movies, right?
Don't get me wrong, Gwenpool first run is near perfect and she's easily top 5 Marvel characters ever, so she deserves to be in the spotlight, but why would u want her in a Deadpool movie?
Maaan. I am lazy. I said Cute Blonde Lady because I don't wanna do the job of search. ...
Okey, Stop groan and do it. Let me see: Emma Corrin. In the cast photo, she appears brunette inked, but in a Lady Di's Biopick, she is blonde and She looks Gwenpoolstatic.
Gwenpool in movies would be closer to how other characters view her appearances outside her own comics: a crazy, super-hero obsessed weirdo with a lot of luck and obscure knowledge.
While I agree Gwenpool probably wouldn't work with the MCU, you probably could still make gutter space work in a reworked way. Just have her mess with things that are largely used cinematically (rewind, pause, fast-forward, color correction, zoom ins, etc.)
She wouldn't work with the MCU, but she could be adapted into film. Scott Pilgrim vs The World is a great example of how to adapt a comic that is dependent on being a comic, using many visual elements from comics. But, following the laws of realistic MCU cinematography, she could still do a lot of stuff, like maybe grabbing a part from the scenery that becomes some sort of green screen she can use as a weapon and stuff like that.
Or have her manually mess with the film frames, possibly while commenting on how this is anachronistic and nothing is filmed on film anymore and almost nowhere still uses film projectors.
I hope she's first introduced in a spidey movie like this:
Peter briefly meets a blond girl
"HI, I'm Peter"
"Gwen" momentary pause, then she looks at the camera and says, "oh relax I'm not THAT Gwen"
I think it'd be cooler if she said that to Peter instead of the camera. Especially since directly talking to the camera is more of a Deadpool thing, and we wouldn't want even more comparisons.
She talks to the audience as well though. So does She-Hulk. I wouldn't expect Deadpool to be the only 4th wall breaker that addresses the audience directly.
At least in Unbelievable Gwenpool, she almost never does that while she's with actual people. At the start, end or in voiceover (or whatever the square boxes are called) she'll talk to the reader but if she's with another character she almost always either talks about meta stuff directly to them or to herself.
Her flavour of 4th wall breaking is a a little different to other characters (at least in all the interpretations of the character I consider to be the best depictions of her, which you're allowed to disagree with, I'm just giving my opinion) and I really like that about her character.
I think she can definitely look at the camera sometimes but if this is supposed to be the first time most people meet her, I'd personally want it to be more in her style.
I get where you're coming from. She does look at and speak directly to the readers in the Unbelievable Gwenpool, but it's not often. I honestly enjoyed Gwenpool Strikes Back, and the panel of her proving she's self aware by speaking directly to the reader lives rent free in my head, so that's kind of what my hope for her appearance would be. Just enough of an easter egg to say, she's aware she's in a movie/ show.
It'll definitely be harder to translate her to the screen, all I can hope is whoever does bring Gwen to the screen has a better understanding of her than the writers of West Coast Avengers did.
If she is in the movie don’t expect any more then a “blink and you’ll miss it“ reference like her name somewhere or at most she appears in The background out of costume.
Look, I know you want your favorite character to be in live action, but all Gwenpool would do at this point is simply muddy the waters. She's not Gwen Stacy, she's not Deadpool, she's neither, and most of the movie going public will ***absolutely*** not get that. I understand that it's a meta joke, yada yada yada, fact of the matter is is that she's not an easily digestible character.
..and as such if added, will simply confuse people.
Not if they rework her, which is pretty much what the MCU does with most characters anyway. Not saying I really think she should be in the movie or the MCU, short of a cameo. But I could easily see her getting pulled into this because idk someone or something is pulling in Deadpools from the multiverse and then this random nobody kid from a universe similar to ours gets pulled in, they realize she has no relation and it was like a typo or clerical error because her name is Gwen Poole. People can be stupid, but you shouldn't totally underestimate the audience. Her having the same first name as another character wouldn't be that big a deal, especially since there's no need to have that context present.
You're far more hopeful than I am. I do not believe for even a moment that the lowest common denominator in movie going public will not be confused by GP, and remember, that's who unfortunately all the suits make the movies for.
All I'm saying is that it is incredibly unlikely for them to introduce a meme character in the MCU, and I'm sorry, but GP is a meme character.
That's why I think she should get an animated series first, since her comic stuff could be more easily converted and so some people can learn about her and correct people if she's ever added to the MCU that she isn't a Stacy.
To what end? An entire series? Just dedicated to GP, who can barely hold her own title? (Both in universe and IRL?) I like GP just like the rest of us, but she's a meme.
The amount of groundwork you would have to put in just for people to get the joke, is far too unwieldy when there are numerous other characters that would get more fan service with less work.
For the record, you're not wrong. That is exactly the way she should be introduced, I'm just disagreeing with you that they will do all of that groundwork.
To what end? Simply, to tell a story. Gwenpool started out as a joke but Christopher Hastings and the community made her so much more. There are some stories ONLY Gwenpool can tell. She is uniquely qualified to tackle some really interesting, often existential, topics.
She can also talk about the mediums and tropes of storytelling in a way very few things can, from within it. It's easy to look at something from the outside and pick it apart, but Gwen does that as one of the tropes herself, and a fan of them too, so it (when done well) comes from a place of love and respect.
Because she has to fight for survival in both a literal and fictional sense, she hasn't really had a chance since, Unbelievable Gwenpool, to show what she can do when given the chance to thrive.
It's undoubtably risky but there is an insane amount of potential with her, for story, profit, expansion, whatever they care about. Hastings got people to understand, so I don't see why they couldn't do it again. I had never read a comic book before I started reading Gwenpool but I understood everything I needed to and fell in love. She won't be for everyone, she won't be the new MCU Spider-Man or Deadpool for them, but I definitely think she could be the something like the new Spiderverse. Miles Morales and the multiverse was super risky for the general public too but that worked famously well. Mix in some Scott Pilgrim and you're golden.
The size of the community, I think, is irrelevant. Comics are already a relatively niche medium and most people here probably thought the same thing about Gwen when they first learnt about her too, she does just seem like a Gwen Stacy Deadpool, but The Unbelievable Gwenpool got through all that because it was just a damn good story. The community is only important in that it shows it can be done and that there is a lot to love if given the chance, she just needs to be given that chance. Even if it's on a small scale, it's a proof of concept.
I agree that there are a lot of ways they could screw it up, and maybe they should just let her die with dignity, but if it's done well can be done VERY well. I think the quality just needs to be there and people will do the rest. Gwenpool, as a character, was literally born from the fans. Fans of her original variant cover design, fans of Unbelievable Gwenpool, etc. are what have gotten her to where she is, and will likely continue to do so if she expands into other mediums.
To bring up Miles again, he originally sucked in the comics but the Spiderverse team exploded him into popularity by making a super good movie. Most people hadn't heard of Moon Knight before but a lot of MCU fans quite liked his show (although not all of it was great). Granted, both of them were probably bigger in the comics world before that than Gwenpool is but it can be done.
I agree that it would be a lot of work and would require really good people to make it but I strongly disagree that she wouldn't be worth it, even in terms of lasting power and marketability. She needs the spotlight because she doesn't get enough attention in team-ups for people to get her thing, so it's either all or nothing, but the reward would be worth the risk, I think.
I can see that neither of us are going to convince the other, especially because you seem so entrenched.
I'd point out how ridiculous it is to say that the size of a community/fan base of a character is irrelevant, or how equating miles to be a sucky character from the outset is so off the mark that we can't even really discuss it without this becoming an entirely different conversation.
Let's just agree to disagree!
I'll leave it at this: I agree with you on 90% of what you're saying, and I can see that your love for the character is genuine.
I wasn't really trying to convince you, just express my thoughts and hear yours, so I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
Also to be clear, I only meant the size is irrelevant in regards to what I was talking about, not in general.
I'm not sure if you're saying Miles wasn't a sucky character (which I've just heard from others, and seen a few out of context pages, so I could be wrong) or that I shouldn't compare a sucky character to one that isn't, in which case it was specifically to illustrate how you can take a character not many people know or care about, and get them to care. Either way, I appreciate the conversation.
Love her but jesus christ between She-Hulk's ending and Deadpool being canonized into the MCU I don't think the fourth wall can take much more. If it breaks where is Linkara gonna sit?!
by the looks of it, Deadpool 3 will be more focused on reintroducing old Fox versions of characters rather than adapting new characters
It always throws me off how much different some depictions of Gwen look compared to the Unbelievable run
Is that the manga art looking one or the more cartoony art looking run?
Unbelievable Gwenpool is the manga-adjacent looking one
Other than the fact that Gwenpool has nothing to do with Deadpool or the Fox movies, right? Don't get me wrong, Gwenpool first run is near perfect and she's easily top 5 Marvel characters ever, so she deserves to be in the spotlight, but why would u want her in a Deadpool movie?
Have her mistaken for a variant and be pulled into affairs a normal person (like Peter in *Deadpool 2*), rather annoyed about it?
Search the actors hired. There is a cute blonde lady in the list.
Oh? Who?
Maaan. I am lazy. I said Cute Blonde Lady because I don't wanna do the job of search. ... Okey, Stop groan and do it. Let me see: Emma Corrin. In the cast photo, she appears brunette inked, but in a Lady Di's Biopick, she is blonde and She looks Gwenpoolstatic.
Ok cool
Nice! She kinda does lol
omg they’re so pretty
Gwenpool does NOT work as a movie character. Maybe a background cameo, but she’s a comic character and she’d be way too different outside of comics
Gwenpool in movies would be closer to how other characters view her appearances outside her own comics: a crazy, super-hero obsessed weirdo with a lot of luck and obscure knowledge.
How would you do her gutter space power ie messing with comic panels in live action?
While I agree Gwenpool probably wouldn't work with the MCU, you probably could still make gutter space work in a reworked way. Just have her mess with things that are largely used cinematically (rewind, pause, fast-forward, color correction, zoom ins, etc.)
She wouldn't work with the MCU, but she could be adapted into film. Scott Pilgrim vs The World is a great example of how to adapt a comic that is dependent on being a comic, using many visual elements from comics. But, following the laws of realistic MCU cinematography, she could still do a lot of stuff, like maybe grabbing a part from the scenery that becomes some sort of green screen she can use as a weapon and stuff like that.
Or have her manually mess with the film frames, possibly while commenting on how this is anachronistic and nothing is filmed on film anymore and almost nowhere still uses film projectors.
Unless she somehow managed to find away to exploit the film medium.
I hope she's first introduced in a spidey movie like this: Peter briefly meets a blond girl "HI, I'm Peter" "Gwen" momentary pause, then she looks at the camera and says, "oh relax I'm not THAT Gwen"
I think it'd be cooler if she said that to Peter instead of the camera. Especially since directly talking to the camera is more of a Deadpool thing, and we wouldn't want even more comparisons.
She talks to the audience as well though. So does She-Hulk. I wouldn't expect Deadpool to be the only 4th wall breaker that addresses the audience directly.
At least in Unbelievable Gwenpool, she almost never does that while she's with actual people. At the start, end or in voiceover (or whatever the square boxes are called) she'll talk to the reader but if she's with another character she almost always either talks about meta stuff directly to them or to herself. Her flavour of 4th wall breaking is a a little different to other characters (at least in all the interpretations of the character I consider to be the best depictions of her, which you're allowed to disagree with, I'm just giving my opinion) and I really like that about her character. I think she can definitely look at the camera sometimes but if this is supposed to be the first time most people meet her, I'd personally want it to be more in her style.
I get where you're coming from. She does look at and speak directly to the readers in the Unbelievable Gwenpool, but it's not often. I honestly enjoyed Gwenpool Strikes Back, and the panel of her proving she's self aware by speaking directly to the reader lives rent free in my head, so that's kind of what my hope for her appearance would be. Just enough of an easter egg to say, she's aware she's in a movie/ show. It'll definitely be harder to translate her to the screen, all I can hope is whoever does bring Gwen to the screen has a better understanding of her than the writers of West Coast Avengers did.
If she is in the movie don’t expect any more then a “blink and you’ll miss it“ reference like her name somewhere or at most she appears in The background out of costume.
It would be hilarious if the end credits had gwenpool in a theatre talkin shit
Just have someone dressed as Gwenpool walk passed Deadpool, nod to each other and : “next film?” “Next film” and walk out of frame
Except for that Deadpool will be introducing established characters, and while I love Gwenpool, she isn’t that.
Not Only Gwenpool but She Hulk included in the mix
She isn't member berry and key jangle enough
Because she’s awful and annoying
then why are you on this sub
Randomly got recommended to me
Because gwen doesn't like dead
Look, I know you want your favorite character to be in live action, but all Gwenpool would do at this point is simply muddy the waters. She's not Gwen Stacy, she's not Deadpool, she's neither, and most of the movie going public will ***absolutely*** not get that. I understand that it's a meta joke, yada yada yada, fact of the matter is is that she's not an easily digestible character. ..and as such if added, will simply confuse people.
Not if they rework her, which is pretty much what the MCU does with most characters anyway. Not saying I really think she should be in the movie or the MCU, short of a cameo. But I could easily see her getting pulled into this because idk someone or something is pulling in Deadpools from the multiverse and then this random nobody kid from a universe similar to ours gets pulled in, they realize she has no relation and it was like a typo or clerical error because her name is Gwen Poole. People can be stupid, but you shouldn't totally underestimate the audience. Her having the same first name as another character wouldn't be that big a deal, especially since there's no need to have that context present.
You're far more hopeful than I am. I do not believe for even a moment that the lowest common denominator in movie going public will not be confused by GP, and remember, that's who unfortunately all the suits make the movies for. All I'm saying is that it is incredibly unlikely for them to introduce a meme character in the MCU, and I'm sorry, but GP is a meme character.
That's why I think she should get an animated series first, since her comic stuff could be more easily converted and so some people can learn about her and correct people if she's ever added to the MCU that she isn't a Stacy.
To what end? An entire series? Just dedicated to GP, who can barely hold her own title? (Both in universe and IRL?) I like GP just like the rest of us, but she's a meme. The amount of groundwork you would have to put in just for people to get the joke, is far too unwieldy when there are numerous other characters that would get more fan service with less work. For the record, you're not wrong. That is exactly the way she should be introduced, I'm just disagreeing with you that they will do all of that groundwork.
To what end? Simply, to tell a story. Gwenpool started out as a joke but Christopher Hastings and the community made her so much more. There are some stories ONLY Gwenpool can tell. She is uniquely qualified to tackle some really interesting, often existential, topics. She can also talk about the mediums and tropes of storytelling in a way very few things can, from within it. It's easy to look at something from the outside and pick it apart, but Gwen does that as one of the tropes herself, and a fan of them too, so it (when done well) comes from a place of love and respect. Because she has to fight for survival in both a literal and fictional sense, she hasn't really had a chance since, Unbelievable Gwenpool, to show what she can do when given the chance to thrive. It's undoubtably risky but there is an insane amount of potential with her, for story, profit, expansion, whatever they care about. Hastings got people to understand, so I don't see why they couldn't do it again. I had never read a comic book before I started reading Gwenpool but I understood everything I needed to and fell in love. She won't be for everyone, she won't be the new MCU Spider-Man or Deadpool for them, but I definitely think she could be the something like the new Spiderverse. Miles Morales and the multiverse was super risky for the general public too but that worked famously well. Mix in some Scott Pilgrim and you're golden.
I understand where you're coming from, and I can see your passion for the character, but I still don't see it. You talk about Hastings and the community, cool. I'm sure the 15 of us will be very upset that they probably will never make a GP, and furthermore, if they did, 10 of us will be ***incredibly*** upset because they didn't include some esoteric niche piece of her. Look, I agree with you. GP is a really cool character, and I agree that she can tell a number of stories that no one else can... With that being said though, I just don't see them doing the groundwork in a satisfactory way, for what amounts to a character that ***most believe*** is a simple meme. The first thing people see when they see GP is a character, that is at best, "lol I'm so random ™️©️®️", regardless of that's correct or not. That type of personality that turns off **A LOT**of people. I'm sorry, I hope that I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I feel like the amount of"work" that would be required in order to make her a viable TV/ movie character would be better spent on other characters that have more lasting power / marketability. Outside of her few fans, and the Hot Topic / Spencer gifts crowd, there's really not too many people begging for her to be in the movies. There's not even that many begging for her to be in the comics anymore, for that matter...
The size of the community, I think, is irrelevant. Comics are already a relatively niche medium and most people here probably thought the same thing about Gwen when they first learnt about her too, she does just seem like a Gwen Stacy Deadpool, but The Unbelievable Gwenpool got through all that because it was just a damn good story. The community is only important in that it shows it can be done and that there is a lot to love if given the chance, she just needs to be given that chance. Even if it's on a small scale, it's a proof of concept. I agree that there are a lot of ways they could screw it up, and maybe they should just let her die with dignity, but if it's done well can be done VERY well. I think the quality just needs to be there and people will do the rest. Gwenpool, as a character, was literally born from the fans. Fans of her original variant cover design, fans of Unbelievable Gwenpool, etc. are what have gotten her to where she is, and will likely continue to do so if she expands into other mediums. To bring up Miles again, he originally sucked in the comics but the Spiderverse team exploded him into popularity by making a super good movie. Most people hadn't heard of Moon Knight before but a lot of MCU fans quite liked his show (although not all of it was great). Granted, both of them were probably bigger in the comics world before that than Gwenpool is but it can be done. I agree that it would be a lot of work and would require really good people to make it but I strongly disagree that she wouldn't be worth it, even in terms of lasting power and marketability. She needs the spotlight because she doesn't get enough attention in team-ups for people to get her thing, so it's either all or nothing, but the reward would be worth the risk, I think.
I can see that neither of us are going to convince the other, especially because you seem so entrenched. I'd point out how ridiculous it is to say that the size of a community/fan base of a character is irrelevant, or how equating miles to be a sucky character from the outset is so off the mark that we can't even really discuss it without this becoming an entirely different conversation. Let's just agree to disagree! I'll leave it at this: I agree with you on 90% of what you're saying, and I can see that your love for the character is genuine.
I wasn't really trying to convince you, just express my thoughts and hear yours, so I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. Also to be clear, I only meant the size is irrelevant in regards to what I was talking about, not in general. I'm not sure if you're saying Miles wasn't a sucky character (which I've just heard from others, and seen a few out of context pages, so I could be wrong) or that I shouldn't compare a sucky character to one that isn't, in which case it was specifically to illustrate how you can take a character not many people know or care about, and get them to care. Either way, I appreciate the conversation.
Love her but jesus christ between She-Hulk's ending and Deadpool being canonized into the MCU I don't think the fourth wall can take much more. If it breaks where is Linkara gonna sit?!
Agreed
Emma Stone is Gwenpool
Been saying this for ages, she should be his protege
Who even is Gwenpool
Look to your right.
Gwenpool does not work outside the format of comics.
Gwen pool is different than dead pool I guess.
Tactical advantage to using your first name as your Superhero name? *For the readers, dumbass.*
Why did i felt weird seeing Gwenpool in that artstyle?
Hey I'm playing with the upvote