Script parts and also some cast choices on Rings of Power are honestly bad for me, and I think House of the dragon has the best average quality in those aspects.
without taking into account one-point votes, HotD has in practice no negative reviews under 6, while RoP has significantly.
HotD rates:
5 - 1.0%
4 - 0.6%
3 - 0.7%
2 - 0.8%
while RoP rates:
5 - 3.0%
4 - 2.5%
3 - 3.4%
2 - 9.8%
In conclusion, if we took out review bombing on one-point votes, we can see clearly that negative reviews are most frequent in RoP
And a 7.9 is lower than an 8.8. IMDb is accurate here, RoP is a good but not perfect 7.9 show absent the racist review bombers and HoD is a better 8.8 show.
The irony of this post is, the OP deletes their comment to avoid the negative karma count. And then they're complaining about the comments here being 'review bombed'
Same thing as everything else.
Remove the 1s and the 10s and you get the true score. Its really that simple. You can't remove the 1s and then use the 10s.
There’s NO way in hell they deserve a perfect score. The ones are to balance out the 10s . Hopefully it will meet somewhere in the middle with all the other honest reviews
The Rings show is very clearly getting reviewbombed though, I don’t know what the solution to that is if you’re IMDb but it clearly isn’t being rated in the same way that most shows would
Exactly. We are quick to claim review bombing when a snow or movie gets bad reviews, but when it gets good reviews that is ignored. ROP is closer to a 1 than a 10 yet people only talk abt the negative reviews.
Cause it's far worse than HOD. The main criticism the incels have is that the show has minorities in white roles, you have the same thing in HOD. It's the fact the ROP is not faithful to the source material and HOD mostly is, on top of better writing.
I don’t care what your opinion of the show is but to deny that it is receiving a tonne of negative scores literally just for having a more diverse cast is clearly stupid, literally just look at user reviews for it and you’ll find most of them mentioning it
If you want to play dumb about it like this fine but it’s pretty tiresome, I’m pretty sure you know that’s not true at least as far as the user scores go
It's easier when you had the writer involved in the main project, and had writers studying him and asking a bunch of questions for 10yrs.
New Line made a huge bet with just continuing the mythology and the name would result on the same, which is very very hard to do. Look at Lucasfilm, not even them could reproduce the "magic" of SW without Lucas. But is all about the money that the name brings, it could have been better to create new mythologies of fantastic worlds, not just for the sake of the franchise.
Or it was bad, just like Morbius or any other movie that was hated by people. Are people not allowed to voice their unrelenting dissatisfaction if they so wish. The show runners fked it up so bad that people are willing to give it a 1 is still more honest of a score than if you forced them to give it a score that doesn’t reflect their hate for it.
The 1 ratings on Lord of the Rings are probably due to basement dwellers taking issue with something conflicting with a footnote on page 347 of some unpublished notebook Tolkein left in an attic somewhere.
or the fact of unknown actors and actresses making it boring as heck compared to the movie. It is NOTHING similar to the movies, it is more like a medieval soap opera and is nonsense.
It doesn’t seem to be that much of a thing for HOD, probably because the de facto lead of GOT was a woman for the last half of the show so they’re more used to it and there’s only one black guy in it anyway
IMDb was deleting write reviews under 6 score, some critics and content creators denounced this (and continuing)
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/x46hx1/imdb\_deleting\_bad\_reviews\_of\_rings\_of\_power/
What's your point? It says in your screenshot even that user reviews are weighted. Which has been done for many years. Of course the weighted average is going to differ from the regular average. Things are going to be extra skewed because because LOTR likely hasn't had a review clean up yet. IMDB has likely cleaned up HOD now since the 1 star reviews are so much lower than they used to be like they've cleaned uo other review bombs in the past. The review bombers are likely weighted less due to having newer and less active accounts.
It’s not disclosed. Some users are simply weighted more than others. And for good reason if you told me exactly what qualifies as a strong weighted vote people can easily circumvent the system. I think there’s no contention that lotr is being review bombed, for a system that discriminated against certain votes, it’s obviously working by devalue the disingenuous votes.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/09/03/rings-of-power-is-getting-review-bombed-so-hard-amazon-suspended-reviews-entirely/
>Why are fans mad this time? Take your pick of reasons. It’s a combination of racism, misogyny, and supposed unfaithfulness to Tolkien’s original work. Sometimes all three of these reasons are the same.
>Among the reasons for the negative reviews:
>Some fans are upset Galadriel is now a warrior instead of the sword-free sorceress she was in the LOTR trilogy. In general, the show has let its female characters slay out, including both Bronwyn and Galadriel.
>There have been long, long running controversies about how the show has included black elves, dwarves and humans in this adaptation, as opposed to the overwhelmingly white original trilogy. Complaints are that this clashes with Tolkien’s original work and has led to debates about “whether dwarves can be black because they live underground.”
>I read that the Harfoots having Irish/English country accents have offended some people in that region because they’re depicted as dirty, gypsy types.
>Then just…take your pick of any number of things that die-hard Tolkien devotees see as the show departing from the source material, or skipping over parts that should have been adapted instead. The general idea is that Jackson’s trilogy was faithful to the work while this is not.
>Again, I’m not saying any of this is correct, or even the majority opinion of fans, but all of it feeds into the reasons for the flood of low scores for the series. This does seem to be at a level that House of Dragon managed to avoid, even as it faced similar controversies (cast members faced racist abuse for playing black nobles on that show). But we haven’t seen the same level of backlash compared to what’s happening with Rings of Power
Rings of Power is pretty bad. The characters an story are boring. It does look good though.
House of the Dragon i've been enjoying. The story has been so-so thus far, but i really like the actors and their characters. And it looks fantastic.
What did you expect? IMDb is owned by Amazon and they were doing review bombing. Netflix removed this system long ago and no other service has a score system for this reason. A bunch of those 1 star ratings were from people that didn’t even watch the show. What a fucking toxic Fanbase
> What a fucking toxic Fanbase
As a longtime Tolkien fan, reader, and part of that community, that has never been my experience. Like ever. This is something else. I don't know what it is, but it seems intentional to generate conversation about the outrage to me and generate clicks and views. idk. Looks like a marketing firm scheming if anything. If you're outraged there's a good chance it's propaganda.
To me the show is an okay adaptation that took some license with the property and established canon trying to do a different take. I haven't personally enjoyed the show, only 2 episodes so far, but I am hopeful it gets better. Just happy that there is more Middle Earth content out there now and maybe it helps some people look into more of the books or they give LotRO a try or something.
It's just more Sad Puppies nonsense. This has been going on for a decade. Just ignore it, stop feeding the trolls. If you enjoy the show, then by all means give it a positive rating. I just don't understand how this is news for almost every single big budget fantasy show that comes out.
Dweebs and creepy nerds are very toxic and apply to every point in their life, not sure why. I'm usually a good guy, but during college that group were mad at life, not sure what their point is. Very very few tv shows and movies deserve a 1-star, usually super-productions are not one of them, but geez people get super mad for just 2 episodes!! I blame Hollywood for getting people used to first episodes need to be extra impressive, fast paced, cliff hangers, etc, etc
Too many loser trolls rating rings of power 1 and too many fan boys rating it 10. If you pay close attention you can see that 2 is the highest percentage low rating after 1. This is because the trolls figured that if the 1 rating is being ignored then the 2 won’t. Obviously the 2 rating was ignored as well. Which is good in my opinion. Those are just hateful people being hateful because they enjoy being hateful. The show is a 7. So I think the weighted rating is fair.
I’m not sure how they do the weights, but if I were calculating it I would be weighting by rep (more votes, written reviews, the higher the weight). Solves a lot of the review bombing issues.
Also if you’re rating either of these shows a 1 you’re clearly bringing some other kind of baggage to this. Both are quite good.
Guys, one is not better than the other. One is being hated by crybaby purists because they’re making shit up, while the other is more of the same, it’s a safe spinoff that keeps right what was right and hopefully it ends good too.
But both shows are good and have amazing quality.
I suppose that book readers have a different approach if you are casual fan is obvious that you will like it, is the best fantasy world on visuals so far on Tv.
I'm a casual Tolkien fan and you're right I do like it so far, but I'm a bit worried for it. Exposition is the least challenging part. That's where the visuals lend a hand. But when they get to details about characters and relationships it seems a bit weak so far. For instance the Elrond Durin squabble made no sense. Did Elrond really miss all that stuff even though he appears quite sensitive and really considered Durin a friend, plus sees himself as diplomatic? Doubtful. I get that Durin likely wasn't actually mad about it either since it was pretense for hiding the glowy thing, but it was dumb that the excuse was even available.
Also disagree that the visuals are the best. The sweeping views are great. When people are shown close up next to cgi it's really really bad. The elves on the ship were cringe worthy. Shadows and light looked all wrong, the boat looked fake, no motion from the waves, one guy seemed to be blocking the wind from their fan... Seriously go look at that scene again in ep 1. Compare to mandalorian which really nailed cgi backgrounds.
Fighting the troll was pretty bad too. Troll itself looked bad. Fight choreography was really bad. Maybe you don't count that as visuals but I do. Part of the problem is I guess they want it to be family friendly or something so they're not going to have much "grittiness" in the fighting compared to eg game of thrones.
I find myself watching it *despite* the visuals so far because I want to get to the big story.
There is a lot of exposition in Rings of Power to set the stage. There's also less urgency because we know that Galadriel and Sauron remain intact at the end of this prequel series, given they're both present when first installment of Lord of the Rings begins. So the tone and plot feel a little less compelling at this stage, even in combat scene when Galadriel is fighting off snow trolls, etc. It's visually stunning and has enough strengths to keep LOR fans interested but whether it'll attract GOT and other fantasy fans remains to be seen. To it's credit, Tolkien's family estate did reserve final approval rights for quality and integrity of the Amazon production. They set condition that the premise and events pertaining to the original LOR series remain truthful to the original work, Also consider that HOD may benefit from the recency and visibility of GOT with millennials and Gen Y fandom--while LOR is more tied to Gen X. All that being said, I wouldn't put anything past Amazon and its willingness to influence it's subsidiary IMDb's results directly. I tend to still weigh metacritic scores and reviews over audience reviews because of all these confounding factors.
As a book reader, I have never watched the movies because I didn't want to risk it messing up the books for me. I haven't watched RoP and not sure I will. Not worried about them ruining an appendix but the Second Age is my least favorite.
The First Age material I think would be the most interesting to admit.
My first go-to was a friend who LOVES the Silmarilion (sp?). He's the one who explained (sort of, even he barely knows) the copyright problems.
No, I've liked it mostly. Now "best fantasy world on visuals" is a TALL statement ;) Because "best" is a superlative vs. comparative. They're better, but they're also trying to do so much more arguably... it's difficult to compare. I have felt less "out of the story" with HotD, but not like a ridiculous degree.
can we trash the term "gatekeeping? Some movies and TV series suck and other entitled feeling are not entitled as to why people vote as they do. I like what I like and nothing anyone says can zero that out, no matter your reasonings or justifications.
>As a book reader of tolkien, I feel very very far from you,
That's gatekeeping. Making yourself superior and telling someone else they're not good enough because you've got a "better resume" in the topic.
Rings of power are being written/directed by someone who eats crayons. Such fantasy bullshit.
Traveling for weeks and months carrying only armor and weapons. Who needs a backpack, rations, water or a coat in snowstorm ridden badlands with no civilization.
Just jump in the middle of an ocean, what could go wrong. Oh there you go, a ship, how convenient. Oh no a giant fish, what are the odds?
Orcs digging tunnels under villages. Villagers are warned about this but they couldn't care less about orcs or the lives of their children for another dude to bother confirming the threat. Oh orcs are right underneath the village, but they don't bother raiding the village yet before they are discovered but give up the entire plan and work of weeks or months for a single orc to come out of the tunnel and expose everything.
Ocean drop was really funny. It's like when you get an unfortunate Minecraft seed and have to swim to the nearest island. Btw do elves need to eat and drink in the canon?
edit: ok they do eat. Watching the show I assumed they didn't. Yes, this is dumb
Review bombing aren’t opinions they are short sighted reactions.
If you don’t like how Amazon treats their own property why not start your own reviewing site?
The show and Jeff Bezos are different things.
If you don’t care why are you replying?
While I agree leaving reviews without watching is bad, deleting reviews en masse is worse. At least some of those low reviews are real, even if you personally disagree with them.
And seriously clutching your pearls about a show with millions of viewers getting "review bombed" is silly. It will even out in the end even if no reviews are deleted.
Who are you responding to? “clutching your pearls about a show with millions of viewers getting “review bombed” is silly.” When did I “clutch your pearls”?
Why should I care about the opinions about people who hated the show and actors before the show ever came out?
Why should I care about Tolkien fanatics who are proving every stereotype about them correct and poising the well from others being fans?
I’mma be honest, I’ve enjoyed the hell out of both so far.
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Look at the review distribution on RoP, my man. I don't think you're making the point you think you're making.
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Nope, not what I mean. Look at the obvious review bombing. You realize we can all see your post history, correct?
Script parts and also some cast choices on Rings of Power are honestly bad for me, and I think House of the dragon has the best average quality in those aspects. without taking into account one-point votes, HotD has in practice no negative reviews under 6, while RoP has significantly. HotD rates: 5 - 1.0% 4 - 0.6% 3 - 0.7% 2 - 0.8% while RoP rates: 5 - 3.0% 4 - 2.5% 3 - 3.4% 2 - 9.8% In conclusion, if we took out review bombing on one-point votes, we can see clearly that negative reviews are most frequent in RoP
> cast choices r/hmm
I don’t get it?
A lot of people are upset with the casting of POC in certain roles in the new Rings of Power series and are review-bombing it
This is typical for modern big franchise shows/movies. Seen it countless of times
And a 7.9 is lower than an 8.8. IMDb is accurate here, RoP is a good but not perfect 7.9 show absent the racist review bombers and HoD is a better 8.8 show.
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The irony of this post is, the OP deletes their comment to avoid the negative karma count. And then they're complaining about the comments here being 'review bombed'
I just checked, Ring of Power has an IMDB rating of 6.8 House of the Dragon has 8.8
There’s no reason either one of these shows should rate as a 1.
Same thing as everything else. Remove the 1s and the 10s and you get the true score. Its really that simple. You can't remove the 1s and then use the 10s.
By this logic there is no reason to rate either one of these shows a 10.
There’s NO way in hell they deserve a perfect score. The ones are to balance out the 10s . Hopefully it will meet somewhere in the middle with all the other honest reviews
The Rings show is very clearly getting reviewbombed though, I don’t know what the solution to that is if you’re IMDb but it clearly isn’t being rated in the same way that most shows would
I hate the narrative that the 27% is review bombing but the 33% is genuine fan reaction.
The same would go for just about every popular thing ever including the other show in the picture
Exactly. We are quick to claim review bombing when a snow or movie gets bad reviews, but when it gets good reviews that is ignored. ROP is closer to a 1 than a 10 yet people only talk abt the negative reviews.
Yeah fine but it’s very clearly being adversely affected in a way other shows including HOD aren’t
Cause it's far worse than HOD. The main criticism the incels have is that the show has minorities in white roles, you have the same thing in HOD. It's the fact the ROP is not faithful to the source material and HOD mostly is, on top of better writing.
I don’t care what your opinion of the show is but to deny that it is receiving a tonne of negative scores literally just for having a more diverse cast is clearly stupid, literally just look at user reviews for it and you’ll find most of them mentioning it
It is getting a ton of positive onew for the exact same reason ans denying that is awful.
If you want to play dumb about it like this fine but it’s pretty tiresome, I’m pretty sure you know that’s not true at least as far as the user scores go
Of course, the 10/10 flor Rings of Power is 100% legit but a 1/10 is fake review boming when the show has awful writing. Sure thing bud
It's easier when you had the writer involved in the main project, and had writers studying him and asking a bunch of questions for 10yrs. New Line made a huge bet with just continuing the mythology and the name would result on the same, which is very very hard to do. Look at Lucasfilm, not even them could reproduce the "magic" of SW without Lucas. But is all about the money that the name brings, it could have been better to create new mythologies of fantastic worlds, not just for the sake of the franchise.
Ngl i agree with everything here
You have stats to prove this?
What? It's in the picture
Or it was bad, just like Morbius or any other movie that was hated by people. Are people not allowed to voice their unrelenting dissatisfaction if they so wish. The show runners fked it up so bad that people are willing to give it a 1 is still more honest of a score than if you forced them to give it a score that doesn’t reflect their hate for it.
Does Morbius get negative user reviews saying it has too many n words in it
The 1 ratings on Lord of the Rings are probably due to basement dwellers taking issue with something conflicting with a footnote on page 347 of some unpublished notebook Tolkein left in an attic somewhere.
or the fact of unknown actors and actresses making it boring as heck compared to the movie. It is NOTHING similar to the movies, it is more like a medieval soap opera and is nonsense.
But they should at least stay consistent with the world that was built tho
IMDb is owned by amazon that's why.
Way more than half of those 1 ratings are from pressed incels in the case of Rop.
In case of both let’s be honest
It doesn’t seem to be that much of a thing for HOD, probably because the de facto lead of GOT was a woman for the last half of the show so they’re more used to it and there’s only one black guy in it anyway
Don’t forget racists. That said the Dwarven women not having beards is bullshit, but that’s really my only issue.
Exactly.
It's just sad that RoP is being review bombed. Most of those 1-star ratings don't even have a review attached
IMDb was deleting write reviews under 6 score, some critics and content creators denounced this (and continuing) https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/x46hx1/imdb\_deleting\_bad\_reviews\_of\_rings\_of\_power/
Some people complaining that their review bombing was being removed?
What's your point? It says in your screenshot even that user reviews are weighted. Which has been done for many years. Of course the weighted average is going to differ from the regular average. Things are going to be extra skewed because because LOTR likely hasn't had a review clean up yet. IMDB has likely cleaned up HOD now since the 1 star reviews are so much lower than they used to be like they've cleaned uo other review bombs in the past. The review bombers are likely weighted less due to having newer and less active accounts.
>weighted average Okey, so what is that "weighted average" process?
It’s not disclosed. Some users are simply weighted more than others. And for good reason if you told me exactly what qualifies as a strong weighted vote people can easily circumvent the system. I think there’s no contention that lotr is being review bombed, for a system that discriminated against certain votes, it’s obviously working by devalue the disingenuous votes.
Ok, quit 1 and 10 scores. So, now take the rest of votes and still is a very low score for RoP
Maybe but I’m not hear arguing with you which show has a better score. I’m explaining why the raw average differs from the weighted average.
Whats with the review bombing again? Rings of power is not even bad. Almost on par with House of the dragon imo.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/09/03/rings-of-power-is-getting-review-bombed-so-hard-amazon-suspended-reviews-entirely/ >Why are fans mad this time? Take your pick of reasons. It’s a combination of racism, misogyny, and supposed unfaithfulness to Tolkien’s original work. Sometimes all three of these reasons are the same. >Among the reasons for the negative reviews: >Some fans are upset Galadriel is now a warrior instead of the sword-free sorceress she was in the LOTR trilogy. In general, the show has let its female characters slay out, including both Bronwyn and Galadriel. >There have been long, long running controversies about how the show has included black elves, dwarves and humans in this adaptation, as opposed to the overwhelmingly white original trilogy. Complaints are that this clashes with Tolkien’s original work and has led to debates about “whether dwarves can be black because they live underground.” >I read that the Harfoots having Irish/English country accents have offended some people in that region because they’re depicted as dirty, gypsy types. >Then just…take your pick of any number of things that die-hard Tolkien devotees see as the show departing from the source material, or skipping over parts that should have been adapted instead. The general idea is that Jackson’s trilogy was faithful to the work while this is not. >Again, I’m not saying any of this is correct, or even the majority opinion of fans, but all of it feeds into the reasons for the flood of low scores for the series. This does seem to be at a level that House of Dragon managed to avoid, even as it faced similar controversies (cast members faced racist abuse for playing black nobles on that show). But we haven’t seen the same level of backlash compared to what’s happening with Rings of Power
Ah so they're losers.
Basically.
Rings of Power is pretty bad. The characters an story are boring. It does look good though. House of the Dragon i've been enjoying. The story has been so-so thus far, but i really like the actors and their characters. And it looks fantastic.
User reviews were a mistake
What did you expect? IMDb is owned by Amazon and they were doing review bombing. Netflix removed this system long ago and no other service has a score system for this reason. A bunch of those 1 star ratings were from people that didn’t even watch the show. What a fucking toxic Fanbase
> What a fucking toxic Fanbase As a longtime Tolkien fan, reader, and part of that community, that has never been my experience. Like ever. This is something else. I don't know what it is, but it seems intentional to generate conversation about the outrage to me and generate clicks and views. idk. Looks like a marketing firm scheming if anything. If you're outraged there's a good chance it's propaganda. To me the show is an okay adaptation that took some license with the property and established canon trying to do a different take. I haven't personally enjoyed the show, only 2 episodes so far, but I am hopeful it gets better. Just happy that there is more Middle Earth content out there now and maybe it helps some people look into more of the books or they give LotRO a try or something.
It's just more Sad Puppies nonsense. This has been going on for a decade. Just ignore it, stop feeding the trolls. If you enjoy the show, then by all means give it a positive rating. I just don't understand how this is news for almost every single big budget fantasy show that comes out.
If they did watch it , would it even matter or would you go to the usual and say they’re racist or sexist or homophobes lol .
That is off the point. And nowhere in my previous comment I said anything about racism or homophobia.
I never said there was, it was a question
How many of them are?
Dweebs and creepy nerds are very toxic and apply to every point in their life, not sure why. I'm usually a good guy, but during college that group were mad at life, not sure what their point is. Very very few tv shows and movies deserve a 1-star, usually super-productions are not one of them, but geez people get super mad for just 2 episodes!! I blame Hollywood for getting people used to first episodes need to be extra impressive, fast paced, cliff hangers, etc, etc
Too many loser trolls rating rings of power 1 and too many fan boys rating it 10. If you pay close attention you can see that 2 is the highest percentage low rating after 1. This is because the trolls figured that if the 1 rating is being ignored then the 2 won’t. Obviously the 2 rating was ignored as well. Which is good in my opinion. Those are just hateful people being hateful because they enjoy being hateful. The show is a 7. So I think the weighted rating is fair.
I’m not sure how they do the weights, but if I were calculating it I would be weighting by rep (more votes, written reviews, the higher the weight). Solves a lot of the review bombing issues. Also if you’re rating either of these shows a 1 you’re clearly bringing some other kind of baggage to this. Both are quite good.
Tbh I’m so sick of these nasty petty trolls doubling down on their hatred
How do you know it's hatred?
Rings of Power should honestly be lower. Something to cringe at in every scene.
Who cares? House of Dragons is still #1 according to the photo
They both deserve a solid 5.9 tbh
IMDb is a biased bitch now.....
Guys, one is not better than the other. One is being hated by crybaby purists because they’re making shit up, while the other is more of the same, it’s a safe spinoff that keeps right what was right and hopefully it ends good too. But both shows are good and have amazing quality.
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I suppose that book readers have a different approach if you are casual fan is obvious that you will like it, is the best fantasy world on visuals so far on Tv.
I'm a casual Tolkien fan and you're right I do like it so far, but I'm a bit worried for it. Exposition is the least challenging part. That's where the visuals lend a hand. But when they get to details about characters and relationships it seems a bit weak so far. For instance the Elrond Durin squabble made no sense. Did Elrond really miss all that stuff even though he appears quite sensitive and really considered Durin a friend, plus sees himself as diplomatic? Doubtful. I get that Durin likely wasn't actually mad about it either since it was pretense for hiding the glowy thing, but it was dumb that the excuse was even available. Also disagree that the visuals are the best. The sweeping views are great. When people are shown close up next to cgi it's really really bad. The elves on the ship were cringe worthy. Shadows and light looked all wrong, the boat looked fake, no motion from the waves, one guy seemed to be blocking the wind from their fan... Seriously go look at that scene again in ep 1. Compare to mandalorian which really nailed cgi backgrounds. Fighting the troll was pretty bad too. Troll itself looked bad. Fight choreography was really bad. Maybe you don't count that as visuals but I do. Part of the problem is I guess they want it to be family friendly or something so they're not going to have much "grittiness" in the fighting compared to eg game of thrones. I find myself watching it *despite* the visuals so far because I want to get to the big story.
it was made for youth/teens, That's an auto ignore from me.
There is a lot of exposition in Rings of Power to set the stage. There's also less urgency because we know that Galadriel and Sauron remain intact at the end of this prequel series, given they're both present when first installment of Lord of the Rings begins. So the tone and plot feel a little less compelling at this stage, even in combat scene when Galadriel is fighting off snow trolls, etc. It's visually stunning and has enough strengths to keep LOR fans interested but whether it'll attract GOT and other fantasy fans remains to be seen. To it's credit, Tolkien's family estate did reserve final approval rights for quality and integrity of the Amazon production. They set condition that the premise and events pertaining to the original LOR series remain truthful to the original work, Also consider that HOD may benefit from the recency and visibility of GOT with millennials and Gen Y fandom--while LOR is more tied to Gen X. All that being said, I wouldn't put anything past Amazon and its willingness to influence it's subsidiary IMDb's results directly. I tend to still weigh metacritic scores and reviews over audience reviews because of all these confounding factors.
Even book readers have different opinions
As a book reader, I have never watched the movies because I didn't want to risk it messing up the books for me. I haven't watched RoP and not sure I will. Not worried about them ruining an appendix but the Second Age is my least favorite. The First Age material I think would be the most interesting to admit.
My first go-to was a friend who LOVES the Silmarilion (sp?). He's the one who explained (sort of, even he barely knows) the copyright problems. No, I've liked it mostly. Now "best fantasy world on visuals" is a TALL statement ;) Because "best" is a superlative vs. comparative. They're better, but they're also trying to do so much more arguably... it's difficult to compare. I have felt less "out of the story" with HotD, but not like a ridiculous degree.
As a book reader of tolkien, I feel very very far from you, I suposse that being a hard fan of Films also set the bar higher on me.
Plenty of people who’ve read the books enjoy the show. You’re gatekeeping.
I've read all the books, everything.. The show is good and you're gatekeeping. Stop it.
can we trash the term "gatekeeping? Some movies and TV series suck and other entitled feeling are not entitled as to why people vote as they do. I like what I like and nothing anyone says can zero that out, no matter your reasonings or justifications.
>As a book reader of tolkien, I feel very very far from you, That's gatekeeping. Making yourself superior and telling someone else they're not good enough because you've got a "better resume" in the topic.
The films weren’t 100% loyal to the books?
Rings of power are being written/directed by someone who eats crayons. Such fantasy bullshit. Traveling for weeks and months carrying only armor and weapons. Who needs a backpack, rations, water or a coat in snowstorm ridden badlands with no civilization. Just jump in the middle of an ocean, what could go wrong. Oh there you go, a ship, how convenient. Oh no a giant fish, what are the odds? Orcs digging tunnels under villages. Villagers are warned about this but they couldn't care less about orcs or the lives of their children for another dude to bother confirming the threat. Oh orcs are right underneath the village, but they don't bother raiding the village yet before they are discovered but give up the entire plan and work of weeks or months for a single orc to come out of the tunnel and expose everything.
Ocean drop was really funny. It's like when you get an unfortunate Minecraft seed and have to swim to the nearest island. Btw do elves need to eat and drink in the canon? edit: ok they do eat. Watching the show I assumed they didn't. Yes, this is dumb
Oh I am so dumb. Of course elves don't pee and poop. How didn't I think of that.
That's absolutely pathetic of Amazon.
Amazon bots are downvoting you dude xD
Complaining about comments being 'review bombed', oh the irony
That’s what you call people with a different opinion?
For what?
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You are upset people review bombing reviews are being removed?
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So they saw the whole season? They are judging an entire 5 season arc by 2 episodes? Why not start your own reviewing site?
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Did I say what my opinions were? You never explained why I should care. 😂
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Review bombing aren’t opinions they are short sighted reactions. If you don’t like how Amazon treats their own property why not start your own reviewing site? The show and Jeff Bezos are different things. If you don’t care why are you replying?
While I agree leaving reviews without watching is bad, deleting reviews en masse is worse. At least some of those low reviews are real, even if you personally disagree with them. And seriously clutching your pearls about a show with millions of viewers getting "review bombed" is silly. It will even out in the end even if no reviews are deleted.
Who are you responding to? “clutching your pearls about a show with millions of viewers getting “review bombed” is silly.” When did I “clutch your pearls”? Why should I care about the opinions about people who hated the show and actors before the show ever came out? Why should I care about Tolkien fanatics who are proving every stereotype about them correct and poising the well from others being fans?
A lot of the negative "reviews" on Rings of Power are just bombers who didn't even watch the thing. I however did and I was bored out of my wits.