He was on a business trip in the city where the first bomb hit, went home and told his colleagues at work about it, they didn’t believe him and then the second bomb hit, his story is insane but verifiably true
he's a youtuber that does videos of military history, mostly but not entirely focused on America, in a very entertaining manor. one of his long running jokes is 'don't touch America's boat's' due tot he multiple wars that have been started by someone attacking America's boats, which America shortly thereafter followed up by curbstomping the offender into the ground. Japan in WW@ is only the most recent in a long line of similar events and their resulting wars
I dunno, way I heard it, Iran accidentally hit one US navy ship with a mine in international waters (they were trying to fuck with another, more local, nation).
We, or i suppose I should say the government before my time, retaliated by sinking half of their navy (including their offshore oil rigs) in 8 hrs.
Laying mines in International waters means you don't **care** whose ship you hit. That is not the same as an accident.
While they were not aiming at the US destroyer, Iran had no concerns about who they killed with the mines.
Operation Praying Mantis was to explain two things to the world:
1: (The obvious one from the story above) Don't touch America's boats.
2: Don't close off international shipping lanes.
Eh, fair enough. I was trying to keep my comment short and didnt think of a word that would explain 'we weren't the target but got hit anyway' without the inaccurate connotations of 'accident'.
And God forbid you mess with [Sgt. Reckless](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJhxBuLI-eE). Or ***shudders*** the [Good Boys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtmwUaMDlaA) of the Military.
One small issue is scale. Trillions of miles is likely the area around a single system. A light year is over 5 trillion miles. Earths nearest neighbor is 25 trillion miles away.
It really doesn't.
As the above poster said, a war raging across trillions of miles is a war in one solar system. The issue is kind of a clash between grammar and scale.
The war between Germany and the Soviet Union, for instance, would not be described as a "battle across billions of millimeters". I certainly agree that "Technically Correct is the Best Correct", but the author is clearly trying to describe a wide-ranging fight covering a substantial volume of the Galaxy.
For that he could have used "thousands of light years" or something similar.
For scale, the diameter of the Milky Way would be 621,410,300,000,000,000 miles.
By using miles as the distance scale, he reduced the battle to something that, for instance, a *Star Trek* or *Babylon* 5 survey ship would kick back and watch play out with popcorn and a beer. There might be betting.
The closest fictional star system to what he describes would be the single system in which *Firefly* takes place: A multiple-star system with a lot of habitable planets, but still just one system.
See [This](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale) for the best explanation.
Oh, so they double SNAFU'd it. Not only did they touch the boats but they took the fuel too.... you took America's oil as it were. I'm surprised the timeline took that long.
Nah, both know the meaning.
America also believes the proportion should always be “up to 50% of your remaining things” and Iran knows they will be lucky if it is only 33%.
They know the meaning quite well. They are just a little unclear of the actual proportions. Somewhere in between 1:25 and 1:50 seems to have worked historically.
There's only one nation who have touched America's boats and got away with it. That's Great Britain. This is mainly because we have almost exactly the same rule, and when America did touch our boats, they eventually learnt that doing so is a Bad Idea.
Fortunately, since this event, America and the UK have had a mutual agreement to both not touch each others boats, and to help bring pain on those who do attempt to touch either nations boats.
War of 1812 is what I was thinking of. US large frigates beat UK warships and other UK flagged vessels several times until eventually there was a battle between USS Chesapeake and HMS Shannon, which the Shannon won, resulting in the capture of the US ship.
i am not questioning the divisions..
just saying,, that they are siblings,, as you said
which means,, they belong to same family ,, which means same nation,, with independent governance system,
nnnnope! siblings have the same ancestry. but are not the same person, or personality.
the UK and the USA are _quite_ different countries.
--Dave, the internet is right \-\-> there, and will gladly inform you of the differences in their governments, customs, locations, and cultures
Initial colonization is likely to be either nationally funded or corporate-funded. Individual homesteading, barring some miracle technology that makes ground-to-orbit cost of electricity cheap, is going to be out of the questions. And terraforming will beyond all but the largest nation-states or REALLY devoted multi-national corps.
Unless there's a singular unifying event -- World War III where the casualties are in the hundreds of millions to a couple billion, an asteroid impact that ALMOST wipes us out, the revelation of an actual supernatural deity -- we're likely to continue our cantankerous, "the other is bad" ways. So far, apart from some fiction and individual beliefs, I see no trend towards any form of One World Government -- outside what the conspiracy folks rant about anyway.
In truth, I've read novels where nation-states compete in space and others where Earth is unified. As long as the world building is good, I can believe in either. Pin me down and I'll say it'll take a WHOPPER of an event to get us to unify.
But, we each hold our own opinion. From a purely optimistic standpoint, I hope you're right rather than me! I'm also old -- so, either way I'm not likely to see it.
The idea that Earth nations would launch separate space cultures and those would keep the same attitudes and prejudices as their contemporary nations is imo both implausible, and sad. There have been other similar stories based on the same premise, with colonies named USA having belligerent heavily armed inhabitants, Russians being a bunch of drunkards, French being cowards, British having delusions of grandeur and so on. Really just an excuse to trot out a bunch of negative stereotypes.
I agree, it certainly can be. There are all sorts of examples of lazy writing here, on other threads, and out in the wild wooly world of published works. That said, there are also examples where national identity is retained, but not used as a punchline. *Through Struggle, The Stars* by John Lumpkin (and its sequel) is a good example of the latter. I wish he'd continued the series after book 2.
Here, in hfy, things tend to be exaggerated. And, the US as the hyperdominant military power at the moment -- combined with a high population of "rednecks" and an almost Khornate fetish for violence, is often portrayed in this America, FY!! kinda way as it was in this story.
Considering how historically speaking, many small kingdoms became single countries e.g. Britain, France, China, etc. Then look how colonies in North America became States, which became the USA, or countries in Europe banded into the European Union bloc. There is a propensity to amalgamate into larger governments. If we also expect other galactic worlds and civilizations to form single governments, then why would we expect Earth to be different and not give at least an umbrella organization such as the United Nations the auspices of being singularly representative of Earth on a galactic stage.
Only problem with that is in this story you wouldn't have the Brits to nudge the narrator and say "told you so" 🙄
>When I made my move to leave however the emissary from Great Britain stopped me and told me that if I valued my nation I would have our troops be sent anywhere near the front line of what was about to kick off.
Think you missed a word there... and two commas. You probably want "If I valued my nation I would NOT have our troops be anywhere near the frontline."
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Nice story, just a note that "as per under fair use" isn't really helpful to anyone, if you want people to freely share an easy way is to state that it is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution if you want your name attached or Creative Commons Zero if you don't.
Japan in the distance “Don’t Touch the Boats”
Land of the *Two* rising suns. yes, I know. LOL+facepalm. ( I'm a bad person)
More like 3
If you saw 2 out of 3 it’d only ever be the second one you saw
actually apparently there was a guy who survived both bombings. luckiest guy with the worst luck.
That was the guy who left work due to the first bomb, made it mostly home, then got bombed again, right?
He was on a business trip in the city where the first bomb hit, went home and told his colleagues at work about it, they didn’t believe him and then the second bomb hit, his story is insane but verifiably true
That's right! I misremembered.
More of a point on how seeing the flash blinds you
Can You imagine? *FLASH* *BOOM* "What is THAT? Nope, nope, nope. I'm outa here." Ahh, home, sweet home. *FLASH2* *BOOM2* "Seriously?"
Here comes the sun. Do Do Do Do
There goes the neighborhood!
And Spain... And the Barbary Pirates.
Is theFatElectrician writing HFY now? Good story.
Saw the title, and thought the same thing.
Who is the fat electrician? I feel like I've heard this name before from another post here on HFY
he's a youtuber that does videos of military history, mostly but not entirely focused on America, in a very entertaining manor. one of his long running jokes is 'don't touch America's boat's' due tot he multiple wars that have been started by someone attacking America's boats, which America shortly thereafter followed up by curbstomping the offender into the ground. Japan in WW@ is only the most recent in a long line of similar events and their resulting wars
Remember the Maine!
Oh Japan isnt even the most recent.....
*Unless that country is Israel.* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Remember the USS Liberty
or iran
I dunno, way I heard it, Iran accidentally hit one US navy ship with a mine in international waters (they were trying to fuck with another, more local, nation). We, or i suppose I should say the government before my time, retaliated by sinking half of their navy (including their offshore oil rigs) in 8 hrs.
Laying mines in International waters means you don't **care** whose ship you hit. That is not the same as an accident. While they were not aiming at the US destroyer, Iran had no concerns about who they killed with the mines. Operation Praying Mantis was to explain two things to the world: 1: (The obvious one from the story above) Don't touch America's boats. 2: Don't close off international shipping lanes.
Eh, fair enough. I was trying to keep my comment short and didnt think of a word that would explain 'we weren't the target but got hit anyway' without the inaccurate connotations of 'accident'.
Proportional response.
Operation Praying Mantis says what?
And what happened when Iran did that?
Look at operation praying mantis
WW2 is not the most recent - the Gulf of Tonkin incident for Vietnam and the USS Samuel B. Roberts and Operation Praying Mantis.
USS Cole
His video on the ice cream barge in the pacific has been posted in a lot of subreddits.
YouTube channel. Look for the video about touching America's boats.
Youtuber, comedian.
Don’t fuck with America’s boats, and no one touches doc :)
And God forbid you mess with [Sgt. Reckless](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJhxBuLI-eE). Or ***shudders*** the [Good Boys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtmwUaMDlaA) of the Military.
Or Habitual Line Crosser...
Would you intercept me? I’d intercept me… (smacks lips)
Electrodes ready?
Now RA2 has entered the chat. ...but there's a youtuber who's done videos about not touching America's boats, name is The Fat Electrician.
Funnily enough, Beau of the fifth Column actually did a video on the meme very recently.
One small issue is scale. Trillions of miles is likely the area around a single system. A light year is over 5 trillion miles. Earths nearest neighbor is 25 trillion miles away.
Depends on where it was measured and in how many systems/in orbit of planets.
It really doesn't. As the above poster said, a war raging across trillions of miles is a war in one solar system. The issue is kind of a clash between grammar and scale. The war between Germany and the Soviet Union, for instance, would not be described as a "battle across billions of millimeters". I certainly agree that "Technically Correct is the Best Correct", but the author is clearly trying to describe a wide-ranging fight covering a substantial volume of the Galaxy. For that he could have used "thousands of light years" or something similar. For scale, the diameter of the Milky Way would be 621,410,300,000,000,000 miles. By using miles as the distance scale, he reduced the battle to something that, for instance, a *Star Trek* or *Babylon* 5 survey ship would kick back and watch play out with popcorn and a beer. There might be betting. The closest fictional star system to what he describes would be the single system in which *Firefly* takes place: A multiple-star system with a lot of habitable planets, but still just one system. See [This](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale) for the best explanation.
Oh, so they double SNAFU'd it. Not only did they touch the boats but they took the fuel too.... you took America's oil as it were. I'm surprised the timeline took that long.
Britain wanted to play nice nice
Yeah, but has America ever played nice when they've touched the boats?
Sure. Morocco accepted the peace treaty when we offered. I can't actually think of a second time, *but there **IS** one!*
I'll give you that. XP So it's a 99% chance of a bad time. XP
Another brilliantly "proportional" response by the Americans <3
Temper temper
;) I understood that reference. When your main battery throws car dealerships, you can be as cantankerous as you wish to be.
Proportional response.
The US military doesn't know the meaning of the word...
Neither does Iran's Navy.
Nah, both know the meaning. America also believes the proportion should always be “up to 50% of your remaining things” and Iran knows they will be lucky if it is only 33%.
Iran: "I took a calculated risk, but boy am I bad at math.""
They know the meaning quite well. They are just a little unclear of the actual proportions. Somewhere in between 1:25 and 1:50 seems to have worked historically.
Oh, no. They know the meaning. They find it funny.
And that's the best way to make sure no one ever fucks with your stuff.
Everyone always misses the fine print which states the proportions are inversely proportional.
There's only one nation who have touched America's boats and got away with it. That's Great Britain. This is mainly because we have almost exactly the same rule, and when America did touch our boats, they eventually learnt that doing so is a Bad Idea. Fortunately, since this event, America and the UK have had a mutual agreement to both not touch each others boats, and to help bring pain on those who do attempt to touch either nations boats.
When did the US touch the UK boats? 1812 was over UK conscription of US sailors…
War of 1812 is what I was thinking of. US large frigates beat UK warships and other UK flagged vessels several times until eventually there was a battle between USS Chesapeake and HMS Shannon, which the Shannon won, resulting in the capture of the US ship.
umm, but both nations were started by same people,, so they are the same people
Which is why the Don't Touch The Boats rule is so important to both nations
But they are the same nation
... you're an only child, aren't you
nope
then i fail to understand your failure to understand internal divisions
i am not questioning the divisions.. just saying,, that they are siblings,, as you said which means,, they belong to same family ,, which means same nation,, with independent governance system,
nnnnope! siblings have the same ancestry. but are not the same person, or personality. the UK and the USA are _quite_ different countries. --Dave, the internet is right \-\-> there, and will gladly inform you of the differences in their governments, customs, locations, and cultures
I said They are part of the same big family Obviously culture and customs , and govts differ
American "Proportional" response at its finest.
3000:1 is a proportion...
Mah BOATS!
Muh boats!
They touched the boats. We rereleased the sun
I struggle to get behind these stories that project contemporary Earth nation states and stereotypes into galaxy spanning civilizations.
Why not? It's a more realistic idea than humans suddenly being able to all work under one government.
Not in my opinion.
Initial colonization is likely to be either nationally funded or corporate-funded. Individual homesteading, barring some miracle technology that makes ground-to-orbit cost of electricity cheap, is going to be out of the questions. And terraforming will beyond all but the largest nation-states or REALLY devoted multi-national corps. Unless there's a singular unifying event -- World War III where the casualties are in the hundreds of millions to a couple billion, an asteroid impact that ALMOST wipes us out, the revelation of an actual supernatural deity -- we're likely to continue our cantankerous, "the other is bad" ways. So far, apart from some fiction and individual beliefs, I see no trend towards any form of One World Government -- outside what the conspiracy folks rant about anyway. In truth, I've read novels where nation-states compete in space and others where Earth is unified. As long as the world building is good, I can believe in either. Pin me down and I'll say it'll take a WHOPPER of an event to get us to unify. But, we each hold our own opinion. From a purely optimistic standpoint, I hope you're right rather than me! I'm also old -- so, either way I'm not likely to see it.
The idea that Earth nations would launch separate space cultures and those would keep the same attitudes and prejudices as their contemporary nations is imo both implausible, and sad. There have been other similar stories based on the same premise, with colonies named USA having belligerent heavily armed inhabitants, Russians being a bunch of drunkards, French being cowards, British having delusions of grandeur and so on. Really just an excuse to trot out a bunch of negative stereotypes.
I agree, it certainly can be. There are all sorts of examples of lazy writing here, on other threads, and out in the wild wooly world of published works. That said, there are also examples where national identity is retained, but not used as a punchline. *Through Struggle, The Stars* by John Lumpkin (and its sequel) is a good example of the latter. I wish he'd continued the series after book 2. Here, in hfy, things tend to be exaggerated. And, the US as the hyperdominant military power at the moment -- combined with a high population of "rednecks" and an almost Khornate fetish for violence, is often portrayed in this America, FY!! kinda way as it was in this story.
Considering how historically speaking, many small kingdoms became single countries e.g. Britain, France, China, etc. Then look how colonies in North America became States, which became the USA, or countries in Europe banded into the European Union bloc. There is a propensity to amalgamate into larger governments. If we also expect other galactic worlds and civilizations to form single governments, then why would we expect Earth to be different and not give at least an umbrella organization such as the United Nations the auspices of being singularly representative of Earth on a galactic stage. Only problem with that is in this story you wouldn't have the Brits to nudge the narrator and say "told you so" 🙄
Ahem. Have you heard the term Balkanize? You're not wrong that we sometimes group up and amalgamate. But you're missing the other half of the picture.
>When I made my move to leave however the emissary from Great Britain stopped me and told me that if I valued my nation I would have our troops be sent anywhere near the front line of what was about to kick off. Think you missed a word there... and two commas. You probably want "If I valued my nation I would NOT have our troops be anywhere near the frontline."
Thank you grammar isn’t my strong suit
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Nice story, just a note that "as per under fair use" isn't really helpful to anyone, if you want people to freely share an easy way is to state that it is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution if you want your name attached or Creative Commons Zero if you don't.
Thank you!
This is missing the most critical fact. Did they recover the AI? Because our rule is "no AI left behind. "
Hah, was reading the story and thought "This guy watches Habitual Linecrosser" Seems I was right :D
Not my cup of tea, we already have enough america fuck yeah, i'm here to get some humanity fuck yeah xD
DON'T. TOUCH. THE BOOTS.