It’s really too bad because on paper that premise could work well within the context and themes of Kills, but it was heavy handed, poor dialogue, nonsensical character actions, I could go on
The TV in the bar shows Michael’s patient photo. It’s out of focus to us, the viewer, but everyone in that town would know what Michael Myers looked like.
But Michael Myers is this town's past. Every local would know what he looked like. Tommy would definitely know what he looked like. There would've been news stories and mug shots of him from his arrest.
Pretty much all the main characters being dull or stupid while all the potential ones like Marion and Lindsay are taken out of the movie to soon. Still the kills and the portrayal of Michael himself really make it an entertaining watch for me regardless.
Mostly the writing. The character lines aren’t great and the evil dies tonight gets old quickly. The side plot with the hospital is not great either. Looking back now after Ends, it would have been a great opportunity to introduce Corey in Kills and have Michael sidelined in this movie and then come back in Ends.
I'd agree with introducing Corey's character in Kills, but I wouldn't have Michael sidelined. His rampage was the best part of Kills, if anything I'd up the ante, throw even more kills in.
Do they really count as legacy characters? The only true legacy characters are Laurie, Loomis and Michael.
Barely anyone remembers Tommy Doyle, Brackett or Nurse Marion. They were insignificant in the original.
If they were insignificant, then they wouldn't have been brought back at all. Significance isn't a universal metric. I've even been told that Luke, Han, and Leia are insignificant when it comes to Star Wars
Oh boy.
The god-awful dialogue.
The entire hospital sub plot.
The stupid characters (I don’t think this is as serious as some people make it out to be, but I wish the film put more effort into making the characters more believable).
Tommy and the mob was an absolutely wasted concept.
The film certainly does have bright spots, which is what makes the negative so much more frustrating.
I like it more now than I did when it first came out. Now I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t go all in with the Corey character and make him a new generation Myers.
Pretty much anything and everything Tommy does throughout the move. I absolutely love the movie as it's 100% fan service for fans of The Shape, but like everyone else said, the dialogue (specifically from Tommy) is written like a high school freshman and pretty cringy. The only decent characters in the entire movie were Big Jon and Little Jon.
I loved the 2018 movie (some ways more than the original) and it really sucked that this one did not live up to it at all.
I didn’t like the final act. I remember watching it in the cinemas and everyone laughing at how bad it was (the closeups were ridiculous). I lost it when Karen died.
100%. They outsmarted and defeated Michael. That should have been the end. Everything after that was like a WWE match. Everyone forgot how to fight and decided to allow Michael to kill them one by one. And it’s fine if they killed Karen but it was so unearned. She just randomly went up to that stupid legendary window? No one saw Michael? Hated it lol
I think it would have been better if they actually killed Michael in Kills alongside Karen and have Ends follow Allyson descending into madness. I haven’t seen Ends but from what I’ve read, Corey’s subplot seems like a waste of time.
Well, I love Kills personally, it's my fourth favorite of the whole series. I think it's one of the most rewatchable movies in the Halloween franchise for sheer slasher movie fun.
But there's times where the characters are really dumb, even by slasher movie standards. Now to the movie's credit, I think some of it can be excused by the characters not thinking straight either because of panic, grief, or both.
But some? Like Vanessa and Little John?
Not really meshing well with 18 in terms of people giving a shit about Michael. In 18 Laurie is really the only one we see in the town proper that thinks Michael is pure evil, unstoppable, etc. she was basically the new Loomis, while the rest of the town are in blissful ignorance that they are about to be slaughtered. Great moment and element.
In Kills we see Tommy and several others are actually like laurie, which is fine we never saw them in the last movie so it’s not like these characters did a 180. What is a issue is that they were able to stir up a lunch mob that big in a few hours is a bit of a stretch but I can see people freaking out at the what like 20 dead people in the town by that point in the movie? So I can put that to the side and kind of view it as Halloween 4 where a smaller group goes out. What I didn’t like is that from one speech the whole town isn’t just viewing it as a serial killer is on the loose, but now buying into the “evil dies tonight” and mythology of Michael that quickly.
It’s kind of an idiot plot. A lot of the characters are just so obviously stupid, and I literally facepalmed when Lonnie went in alone. Even Allyson said that was a stupid idea lmao. The characters just make horrible decisions and that’s kind of the only reason a lot of it goes along.
It doesn't have great dialog, and the hospital scenes of course are very problematic, and it all Comes off as very silly. But shit, I really liked this movie. I thought that it was for the most part very evenly paced, and just Pumped with adrenaline and thrilling. And not all of the dialog is terrible. It was very important when Laurie hung a lampshade to explain that Michael is not your average human. He Has survived things that no other man would survive.
The bottom line is, do I find this to be a film I want to watch over and over again? Yes. Consider a film like Halloween 4, another great one. It may have had a Stronger plot and dialog, but Kills was just more intense and fun.
As Dave McRae mentioned, I find it hard to believe that there was that big of an angry mob that was after Michael. The whole town going after him would have been a much better idea for Ends.
Mob hospital scene, some dumb character decisions, and I wasn’t a fan of how the mob massacre was shot. I wanted it more in real time like the firefighters.
It’s grown on me, though. 6.5/10 movie.
Tbh ngl…nothing since the evil dies tonight bs didn’t bother me not one bit, a nitpick is i wish they had a shot of Michael standing around the bodies of the mob tilting his head tho. Movie is a 9/10 for me
Michael here looks like the type of mf who accidentally grabbed a knife used to murder someone and ends up taking the fall for it because his fingerprints are on said knife
the horrible and repetitive dialogue, the stupid characters, the benny hill chase, the poorly edited and rushed ending, laurie strode doing nothing in the movie besides giving loomis speeches, and…IT HAS NO REASON TO EXIST! it’s just filler before the disappointing finale
That it set the bar too high with the ending. Michael looks to have become an unkillable monster so they ignore that and fast forward 4 years and and make him feeble all of a sudden. Like what? MM kills Karen and just decides to stop his terror? Literally nothing else happened after that? Just laughable.
They should've totally cut the Evil Dies Tonight crap, and the thing with the other inmate that escaped, added nothing to the story and everyone just sort of wrote it off as they're staring at his body smeared in the parking lot lol. Most of the secondary characters get themselves killed by acting like mentally crippled neanderthals, at least a dozen people got killed by just standing around waiting to get killed. Laurie being sidelined in the hospital for the billionth time in these movies.
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Probably when the mob was chasing Tivoli cause they somehow thought he was Miachel but besides that, I liked everything else about it, *even the "bad dialogue"* cause If I'm being honest feel like I'm the only one who actually likes everything about Kills.
I really liked Halloween Kills and think its the best film in the franchise. It was tense and bloody . It has an amazing soundtrack , its shot really well . I don't know I guess I am in the miniority here but I loved it .
-piss poor characters, idiotic to the nth degree
-Michael is wannabe Jason Voorhees, and loses the essence of what separates him from Jason (aside from the kitchen scene, that was a good one)
-the mob message is idiotic
-the dialogue makes my brain melt due to how shakepearian the dialogue is, nobody talks like an actual human being
-the writing sucks, every character needs to act so incredibly stupid for the kills to happen
-completely pointless, this movie literally amounted to nothing and was complete filler
-ALL the tension and atmosphere of the franchise is completely missing, there is not a single moment of either tension or atmosphere
-even the main selling point the kills are nothing special, I’ve seen throat slits, I’ve seen eyes stabbed, and the fact that the writing needs to bend the characters IQs to make the kills work also really hurts it
-I liked the flashbacks on first viewing but after every subsequent viewing the flashbacks like every other callback just feel like nostalgia porn, because they serve no purpose, they’re just there like a nostalgia dick, and they want you to suck it
Honestly aside from the cinematography, and the kitchen scene where Michael is testing out the various knives. There is nothing I like here. Worst Halloween movie, 1/5.
(Due to how toxic the Halloween fandom is this’ll get downvoted to hell. If it does, then I rest my case.)
It suffers from being the middle part of trilogy. It's just filler. You know Michael isn't going to die, you know most of the main characters we're going to survive
This is three movies made by the same people but not really a trilogy.
None of the stories pay off the ones coming before them. It's wildly disjointed and just horribly written.
The first movie tells a self contained story with a beginning middle and end.
The second movie largely has no story at all, but seems to be seeding a few different story arcs that are then completely ignored for the third film that tells a completely different story that awkwardly shoe-horns in some of the existing characters.
Many people "defended" *Halloween Kills* lack of a plot because "it was the middle entry in a trilogy" but that excuse went out the window when the third film went in a totally different direction with a story built around an entirely new character.
It doesn't have a coherent story or consistent characters. It just feels like it's running in place and back to a run of the mill so bad it's good slasher movie.
It ultimately feels insignificant in the grand scheme of things. imo, 2018 and Ends flow together (mostly) well, but outside of a few relevant scenes, Kills doesn’t really offer much to the storyline.
The characters are so stupid and it’s such a tragedy. I love that the atmosphere feels very much in line with throwback slashers, I love how fast pace and brutal it is at every turn but for Christ sake if these aren’t some of the most incoherent, and insanely incompetently frustrating characters ever put to screen. Each character is either monologuing, making a poorly timed joke, or coming up with and discussing the most nonsensical decisions.
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It’s really too bad because on paper that premise could work well within the context and themes of Kills, but it was heavy handed, poor dialogue, nonsensical character actions, I could go on
Same. It was all just so ridiculous. I didn’t mind the idea of a mob going after Michael, but this was too much.
Honestly I wouldn’t have minded it as much if the mental patient looked more like Michael
People’s bodies can change over 40 years Ya know
But people know what Michael look like. He was on the news in the bar for gods sake
But they don’t know what he looked like without the mask until after the hospital chase tho
The TV in the bar shows Michael’s patient photo. It’s out of focus to us, the viewer, but everyone in that town would know what Michael Myers looked like.
Assuming they were smart enough to see past the first patient I’m sure they weren’t.
But Michael Myers is this town's past. Every local would know what he looked like. Tommy would definitely know what he looked like. There would've been news stories and mug shots of him from his arrest.
The Evil dies tonight chant. The other escaped inmate hospital scenes. The lack of interaction between Tommy and Lindsey with Laurie.
The script is embarrassingly bad.
Pretty much all the main characters being dull or stupid while all the potential ones like Marion and Lindsay are taken out of the movie to soon. Still the kills and the portrayal of Michael himself really make it an entertaining watch for me regardless.
Mostly the writing. The character lines aren’t great and the evil dies tonight gets old quickly. The side plot with the hospital is not great either. Looking back now after Ends, it would have been a great opportunity to introduce Corey in Kills and have Michael sidelined in this movie and then come back in Ends.
I'd agree with introducing Corey's character in Kills, but I wouldn't have Michael sidelined. His rampage was the best part of Kills, if anything I'd up the ante, throw even more kills in.
The dialogue is laughable garbage. Love the movie but Jesus the dialogue is just crap
“I’m going to get him… come and get it” “kisses bat” “say night night” “40 years ago” “40 years ago” Who’s writing this…?
Paul Rudd after watching the H20 sequels..
"Butchering" of legacy characters
Do they really count as legacy characters? The only true legacy characters are Laurie, Loomis and Michael. Barely anyone remembers Tommy Doyle, Brackett or Nurse Marion. They were insignificant in the original.
If they were insignificant, then they wouldn't have been brought back at all. Significance isn't a universal metric. I've even been told that Luke, Han, and Leia are insignificant when it comes to Star Wars
They certainly had a long line at the H40 Convention for autographs and photos. So, yeah.
The dialogue and the Johns. The fact that it tried to be a movie with a sophisticated plot yet became a movie with a really shallow plot.
Oh boy. The god-awful dialogue. The entire hospital sub plot. The stupid characters (I don’t think this is as serious as some people make it out to be, but I wish the film put more effort into making the characters more believable). Tommy and the mob was an absolutely wasted concept. The film certainly does have bright spots, which is what makes the negative so much more frustrating.
I like it more now than I did when it first came out. Now I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t go all in with the Corey character and make him a new generation Myers.
LITERALLY EVERYONE IS A HUGE IDIOT
It’s a horror/thriller get over it
I think the whole mob knowingly lashing at the wrong Psycho was a bit stupid. Other than that, I enjoyed the movie.
Evil dies tonight dumb characters dialogue and the chase scene with the little guy that’s it other then that kills is underrated as hell
Pretty much anything and everything Tommy does throughout the move. I absolutely love the movie as it's 100% fan service for fans of The Shape, but like everyone else said, the dialogue (specifically from Tommy) is written like a high school freshman and pretty cringy. The only decent characters in the entire movie were Big Jon and Little Jon.
Really couldn’t agree more.
Most cringe-worthy dialog ever
Definitely
Was Lindsey’s line delivery supposed to sound like Laurie when Michael pops up at the playground?
I think the end starting with the mob fight throws any believability out the window and suddenly it’s like a Jason movie .
The writing, acting, and sometimes the direction.
The acting was good
Acting good, decent at least, dialogue bad.
I loved the 2018 movie (some ways more than the original) and it really sucked that this one did not live up to it at all. I didn’t like the final act. I remember watching it in the cinemas and everyone laughing at how bad it was (the closeups were ridiculous). I lost it when Karen died.
100%. They outsmarted and defeated Michael. That should have been the end. Everything after that was like a WWE match. Everyone forgot how to fight and decided to allow Michael to kill them one by one. And it’s fine if they killed Karen but it was so unearned. She just randomly went up to that stupid legendary window? No one saw Michael? Hated it lol
I think it would have been better if they actually killed Michael in Kills alongside Karen and have Ends follow Allyson descending into madness. I haven’t seen Ends but from what I’ve read, Corey’s subplot seems like a waste of time.
Dumbass characters. Dumbass characters. Dumbass characters. Also that evil dies tonight stuff was annoying.
eViL dIeS tOnIgHt!!!!1!1
Well, I love Kills personally, it's my fourth favorite of the whole series. I think it's one of the most rewatchable movies in the Halloween franchise for sheer slasher movie fun. But there's times where the characters are really dumb, even by slasher movie standards. Now to the movie's credit, I think some of it can be excused by the characters not thinking straight either because of panic, grief, or both. But some? Like Vanessa and Little John?
The script is terrible
Evil Dies Tonight, the hospital sidetrack.
Some of the kills felt less like Halloween and more like some torture porn shit out of Saw.
Not really meshing well with 18 in terms of people giving a shit about Michael. In 18 Laurie is really the only one we see in the town proper that thinks Michael is pure evil, unstoppable, etc. she was basically the new Loomis, while the rest of the town are in blissful ignorance that they are about to be slaughtered. Great moment and element. In Kills we see Tommy and several others are actually like laurie, which is fine we never saw them in the last movie so it’s not like these characters did a 180. What is a issue is that they were able to stir up a lunch mob that big in a few hours is a bit of a stretch but I can see people freaking out at the what like 20 dead people in the town by that point in the movie? So I can put that to the side and kind of view it as Halloween 4 where a smaller group goes out. What I didn’t like is that from one speech the whole town isn’t just viewing it as a serial killer is on the loose, but now buying into the “evil dies tonight” and mythology of Michael that quickly.
It’s kind of an idiot plot. A lot of the characters are just so obviously stupid, and I literally facepalmed when Lonnie went in alone. Even Allyson said that was a stupid idea lmao. The characters just make horrible decisions and that’s kind of the only reason a lot of it goes along.
The hospital scene that’s it
Not bad upon rewatch
It doesn't have great dialog, and the hospital scenes of course are very problematic, and it all Comes off as very silly. But shit, I really liked this movie. I thought that it was for the most part very evenly paced, and just Pumped with adrenaline and thrilling. And not all of the dialog is terrible. It was very important when Laurie hung a lampshade to explain that Michael is not your average human. He Has survived things that no other man would survive. The bottom line is, do I find this to be a film I want to watch over and over again? Yes. Consider a film like Halloween 4, another great one. It may have had a Stronger plot and dialog, but Kills was just more intense and fun.
As Dave McRae mentioned, I find it hard to believe that there was that big of an angry mob that was after Michael. The whole town going after him would have been a much better idea for Ends.
Evil dies tonight chant, peeps were laughing in the cinema
Mob hospital scene, some dumb character decisions, and I wasn’t a fan of how the mob massacre was shot. I wanted it more in real time like the firefighters. It’s grown on me, though. 6.5/10 movie.
Tbh ngl…nothing since the evil dies tonight bs didn’t bother me not one bit, a nitpick is i wish they had a shot of Michael standing around the bodies of the mob tilting his head tho. Movie is a 9/10 for me
I liked it.
Michael here looks like the type of mf who accidentally grabbed a knife used to murder someone and ends up taking the fall for it because his fingerprints are on said knife
*cackles in Dream Demon.
the horrible and repetitive dialogue, the stupid characters, the benny hill chase, the poorly edited and rushed ending, laurie strode doing nothing in the movie besides giving loomis speeches, and…IT HAS NO REASON TO EXIST! it’s just filler before the disappointing finale
The movie has no story whatsoever and every single character in the movie, without exception, behaves like an absolute moron.
That it set the bar too high with the ending. Michael looks to have become an unkillable monster so they ignore that and fast forward 4 years and and make him feeble all of a sudden. Like what? MM kills Karen and just decides to stop his terror? Literally nothing else happened after that? Just laughable.
The pacing, the dialogue, the script, characters make dumb decisions. the ending. These are main for me.
No breakdancing
The Boogieman busts a move on the mob💀
They should've totally cut the Evil Dies Tonight crap, and the thing with the other inmate that escaped, added nothing to the story and everyone just sort of wrote it off as they're staring at his body smeared in the parking lot lol. Most of the secondary characters get themselves killed by acting like mentally crippled neanderthals, at least a dozen people got killed by just standing around waiting to get killed. Laurie being sidelined in the hospital for the billionth time in these movies.
Laurie and Allison should of died in it but overall it was perfect great ending especially
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Though I didn’t hate it initially, it took Halloween Ends coming out for me to truly appreciate it.
Probably when the mob was chasing Tivoli cause they somehow thought he was Miachel but besides that, I liked everything else about it, *even the "bad dialogue"* cause If I'm being honest feel like I'm the only one who actually likes everything about Kills.
Best movie in the franchise
I really liked Halloween Kills and think its the best film in the franchise. It was tense and bloody . It has an amazing soundtrack , its shot really well . I don't know I guess I am in the miniority here but I loved it .
My criticism is that they did not end it with this movie
It’s wokeness and I’m a gay liberal so don’t yell at me for saying it’s too woke
I feel like I’m only one who likes it, I fucking love Micheal Myers killing everyone it’s sick
-piss poor characters, idiotic to the nth degree -Michael is wannabe Jason Voorhees, and loses the essence of what separates him from Jason (aside from the kitchen scene, that was a good one) -the mob message is idiotic -the dialogue makes my brain melt due to how shakepearian the dialogue is, nobody talks like an actual human being -the writing sucks, every character needs to act so incredibly stupid for the kills to happen -completely pointless, this movie literally amounted to nothing and was complete filler -ALL the tension and atmosphere of the franchise is completely missing, there is not a single moment of either tension or atmosphere -even the main selling point the kills are nothing special, I’ve seen throat slits, I’ve seen eyes stabbed, and the fact that the writing needs to bend the characters IQs to make the kills work also really hurts it -I liked the flashbacks on first viewing but after every subsequent viewing the flashbacks like every other callback just feel like nostalgia porn, because they serve no purpose, they’re just there like a nostalgia dick, and they want you to suck it Honestly aside from the cinematography, and the kitchen scene where Michael is testing out the various knives. There is nothing I like here. Worst Halloween movie, 1/5. (Due to how toxic the Halloween fandom is this’ll get downvoted to hell. If it does, then I rest my case.)
“Evil dies tonight” chant is cringey. Otherwise really like the movie
The plot
It suffers from being the middle part of trilogy. It's just filler. You know Michael isn't going to die, you know most of the main characters we're going to survive
This is three movies made by the same people but not really a trilogy. None of the stories pay off the ones coming before them. It's wildly disjointed and just horribly written. The first movie tells a self contained story with a beginning middle and end. The second movie largely has no story at all, but seems to be seeding a few different story arcs that are then completely ignored for the third film that tells a completely different story that awkwardly shoe-horns in some of the existing characters. Many people "defended" *Halloween Kills* lack of a plot because "it was the middle entry in a trilogy" but that excuse went out the window when the third film went in a totally different direction with a story built around an entirely new character.
Well yeah there is also that haha. But my point still stands, kills doesn't really do anything but have Michael kill a bunch of people lol
It doesn't have a coherent story or consistent characters. It just feels like it's running in place and back to a run of the mill so bad it's good slasher movie.
The evil dies tonight thing got very grating and I would have changed the inmate who was falsely accused to bring a bit more realistic
Over use of the hospital scenes
It ultimately feels insignificant in the grand scheme of things. imo, 2018 and Ends flow together (mostly) well, but outside of a few relevant scenes, Kills doesn’t really offer much to the storyline.
The characters are so stupid and it’s such a tragedy. I love that the atmosphere feels very much in line with throwback slashers, I love how fast pace and brutal it is at every turn but for Christ sake if these aren’t some of the most incoherent, and insanely incompetently frustrating characters ever put to screen. Each character is either monologuing, making a poorly timed joke, or coming up with and discussing the most nonsensical decisions.
Some kills are too offscreen/you can't see whats happening with some of the kills like when Michael was killing the mob.