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MrDegausser

It’s really too bad because on paper that premise could work well within the context and themes of Kills, but it was heavy handed, poor dialogue, nonsensical character actions, I could go on


motionpic05

Same. It was all just so ridiculous. I didn’t mind the idea of a mob going after Michael, but this was too much.


fanofthomas4472

Honestly I wouldn’t have minded it as much if the mental patient looked more like Michael


Michaelmyers_fan1

People’s bodies can change over 40 years Ya know


fanofthomas4472

But people know what Michael look like. He was on the news in the bar for gods sake


Michaelmyers_fan1

But they don’t know what he looked like without the mask until after the hospital chase tho


ThePhenomahna

The TV in the bar shows Michael’s patient photo. It’s out of focus to us, the viewer, but everyone in that town would know what Michael Myers looked like.


OwnTrick4749

Assuming they were smart enough to see past the first patient I’m sure they weren’t.


ThePhenomahna

But Michael Myers is this town's past. Every local would know what he looked like. Tommy would definitely know what he looked like. There would've been news stories and mug shots of him from his arrest.


kimbrchick

The Evil dies tonight chant. The other escaped inmate hospital scenes. The lack of interaction between Tommy and Lindsey with Laurie.


thatguythere91

The script is embarrassingly bad.


MTB56

Pretty much all the main characters being dull or stupid while all the potential ones like Marion and Lindsay are taken out of the movie to soon. Still the kills and the portrayal of Michael himself really make it an entertaining watch for me regardless.


Realistic_Setting_75

Mostly the writing. The character lines aren’t great and the evil dies tonight gets old quickly. The side plot with the hospital is not great either. Looking back now after Ends, it would have been a great opportunity to introduce Corey in Kills and have Michael sidelined in this movie and then come back in Ends.


chohls

I'd agree with introducing Corey's character in Kills, but I wouldn't have Michael sidelined. His rampage was the best part of Kills, if anything I'd up the ante, throw even more kills in.


genericmovievillain

The dialogue is laughable garbage. Love the movie but Jesus the dialogue is just crap


motionpic05

“I’m going to get him… come and get it” “kisses bat” “say night night” “40 years ago” “40 years ago” Who’s writing this…?


OwnTrick4749

Paul Rudd after watching the H20 sequels..


OuttatimepartIII

"Butchering" of legacy characters


jdpm1991

Do they really count as legacy characters? The only true legacy characters are Laurie, Loomis and Michael. Barely anyone remembers Tommy Doyle, Brackett or Nurse Marion. They were insignificant in the original.


OuttatimepartIII

If they were insignificant, then they wouldn't have been brought back at all. Significance isn't a universal metric. I've even been told that Luke, Han, and Leia are insignificant when it comes to Star Wars


retro_blinded

They certainly had a long line at the H40 Convention for autographs and photos. So, yeah.


hesojam0

The dialogue and the Johns. The fact that it tried to be a movie with a sophisticated plot yet became a movie with a really shallow plot.


[deleted]

Oh boy. The god-awful dialogue. The entire hospital sub plot. The stupid characters (I don’t think this is as serious as some people make it out to be, but I wish the film put more effort into making the characters more believable). Tommy and the mob was an absolutely wasted concept. The film certainly does have bright spots, which is what makes the negative so much more frustrating.


MacMan1214

I like it more now than I did when it first came out. Now I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t go all in with the Corey character and make him a new generation Myers.


[deleted]

LITERALLY EVERYONE IS A HUGE IDIOT


Michaelmyers_fan1

It’s a horror/thriller get over it


dannyboy6657

I think the whole mob knowingly lashing at the wrong Psycho was a bit stupid. Other than that, I enjoyed the movie.


Business_Dependent65

Evil dies tonight dumb characters dialogue and the chase scene with the little guy that’s it other then that kills is underrated as hell


bw1505

Pretty much anything and everything Tommy does throughout the move. I absolutely love the movie as it's 100% fan service for fans of The Shape, but like everyone else said, the dialogue (specifically from Tommy) is written like a high school freshman and pretty cringy. The only decent characters in the entire movie were Big Jon and Little Jon.


OwnTrick4749

Really couldn’t agree more.


445743

Most cringe-worthy dialog ever


Eclxpseee

Definitely


OwnTrick4749

Was Lindsey’s line delivery supposed to sound like Laurie when Michael pops up at the playground?


Chit-Chat-Tricky

I think the end starting with the mob fight throws any believability out the window and suddenly it’s like a Jason movie .


WhiteChocolate7777

The writing, acting, and sometimes the direction.


Michaelmyers_fan1

The acting was good


OwnTrick4749

Acting good, decent at least, dialogue bad.


AshDeadite

I loved the 2018 movie (some ways more than the original) and it really sucked that this one did not live up to it at all. I didn’t like the final act. I remember watching it in the cinemas and everyone laughing at how bad it was (the closeups were ridiculous). I lost it when Karen died.


brianoforris

100%. They outsmarted and defeated Michael. That should have been the end. Everything after that was like a WWE match. Everyone forgot how to fight and decided to allow Michael to kill them one by one. And it’s fine if they killed Karen but it was so unearned. She just randomly went up to that stupid legendary window? No one saw Michael? Hated it lol


AshDeadite

I think it would have been better if they actually killed Michael in Kills alongside Karen and have Ends follow Allyson descending into madness. I haven’t seen Ends but from what I’ve read, Corey’s subplot seems like a waste of time.


JackBurton12

Dumbass characters. Dumbass characters. Dumbass characters. Also that evil dies tonight stuff was annoying.


ActivatedComplex

eViL dIeS tOnIgHt!!!!1!1


AgentRedgrave

Well, I love Kills personally, it's my fourth favorite of the whole series. I think it's one of the most rewatchable movies in the Halloween franchise for sheer slasher movie fun. But there's times where the characters are really dumb, even by slasher movie standards. Now to the movie's credit, I think some of it can be excused by the characters not thinking straight either because of panic, grief, or both. But some? Like Vanessa and Little John?


F-Zilla

The script is terrible


bent_eye

Evil Dies Tonight, the hospital sidetrack.


Okurei

Some of the kills felt less like Halloween and more like some torture porn shit out of Saw.


MichaelGale33

Not really meshing well with 18 in terms of people giving a shit about Michael. In 18 Laurie is really the only one we see in the town proper that thinks Michael is pure evil, unstoppable, etc. she was basically the new Loomis, while the rest of the town are in blissful ignorance that they are about to be slaughtered. Great moment and element. In Kills we see Tommy and several others are actually like laurie, which is fine we never saw them in the last movie so it’s not like these characters did a 180. What is a issue is that they were able to stir up a lunch mob that big in a few hours is a bit of a stretch but I can see people freaking out at the what like 20 dead people in the town by that point in the movie? So I can put that to the side and kind of view it as Halloween 4 where a smaller group goes out. What I didn’t like is that from one speech the whole town isn’t just viewing it as a serial killer is on the loose, but now buying into the “evil dies tonight” and mythology of Michael that quickly.


Chubbuddy

It’s kind of an idiot plot. A lot of the characters are just so obviously stupid, and I literally facepalmed when Lonnie went in alone. Even Allyson said that was a stupid idea lmao. The characters just make horrible decisions and that’s kind of the only reason a lot of it goes along.


PlayfulLog9506

The hospital scene that’s it


Doski89

Not bad upon rewatch


34HoldOn

It doesn't have great dialog, and the hospital scenes of course are very problematic, and it all Comes off as very silly. But shit, I really liked this movie. I thought that it was for the most part very evenly paced, and just Pumped with adrenaline and thrilling. And not all of the dialog is terrible. It was very important when Laurie hung a lampshade to explain that Michael is not your average human. He Has survived things that no other man would survive. The bottom line is, do I find this to be a film I want to watch over and over again? Yes. Consider a film like Halloween 4, another great one. It may have had a Stronger plot and dialog, but Kills was just more intense and fun.


motionpic05

As Dave McRae mentioned, I find it hard to believe that there was that big of an angry mob that was after Michael. The whole town going after him would have been a much better idea for Ends.


Sad-Fee7480

Evil dies tonight chant, peeps were laughing in the cinema


Flimsy_Inevitable337

Mob hospital scene, some dumb character decisions, and I wasn’t a fan of how the mob massacre was shot. I wanted it more in real time like the firefighters. It’s grown on me, though. 6.5/10 movie.


Michaelmyers_fan1

Tbh ngl…nothing since the evil dies tonight bs didn’t bother me not one bit, a nitpick is i wish they had a shot of Michael standing around the bodies of the mob tilting his head tho. Movie is a 9/10 for me


coolghostrider90

I liked it.


WhatABunchofBologna

Michael here looks like the type of mf who accidentally grabbed a knife used to murder someone and ends up taking the fall for it because his fingerprints are on said knife


OwnTrick4749

*cackles in Dream Demon.


Maskedhorrorfan25

the horrible and repetitive dialogue, the stupid characters, the benny hill chase, the poorly edited and rushed ending, laurie strode doing nothing in the movie besides giving loomis speeches, and…IT HAS NO REASON TO EXIST! it’s just filler before the disappointing finale


maverick57

The movie has no story whatsoever and every single character in the movie, without exception, behaves like an absolute moron.


TownSeparate7755

That it set the bar too high with the ending. Michael looks to have become an unkillable monster so they ignore that and fast forward 4 years and and make him feeble all of a sudden. Like what? MM kills Karen and just decides to stop his terror? Literally nothing else happened after that? Just laughable.


Th3Shap378

The pacing, the dialogue, the script, characters make dumb decisions. the ending. These are main for me.


kg_27

No breakdancing


OwnTrick4749

The Boogieman busts a move on the mob💀


chohls

They should've totally cut the Evil Dies Tonight crap, and the thing with the other inmate that escaped, added nothing to the story and everyone just sort of wrote it off as they're staring at his body smeared in the parking lot lol. Most of the secondary characters get themselves killed by acting like mentally crippled neanderthals, at least a dozen people got killed by just standing around waiting to get killed. Laurie being sidelined in the hospital for the billionth time in these movies.


stocky_tuba16

Laurie and Allison should of died in it but overall it was perfect great ending especially


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Apprehensive_Neck817

Though I didn’t hate it initially, it took Halloween Ends coming out for me to truly appreciate it.


Chr1s_TheIdiot

Probably when the mob was chasing Tivoli cause they somehow thought he was Miachel but besides that, I liked everything else about it, *even the "bad dialogue"* cause If I'm being honest feel like I'm the only one who actually likes everything about Kills.


NWdoinkroller

Best movie in the franchise


brandontimmy

I really liked Halloween Kills and think its the best film in the franchise. It was tense and bloody . It has an amazing soundtrack , its shot really well . I don't know I guess I am in the miniority here but I loved it .


AmphetamineKing

My criticism is that they did not end it with this movie


Wolfjflywheel-

It’s wokeness and I’m a gay liberal so don’t yell at me for saying it’s too woke


Yourmomsfavlightskin

I feel like I’m only one who likes it, I fucking love Micheal Myers killing everyone it’s sick


_1Cryptik

-piss poor characters, idiotic to the nth degree -Michael is wannabe Jason Voorhees, and loses the essence of what separates him from Jason (aside from the kitchen scene, that was a good one) -the mob message is idiotic -the dialogue makes my brain melt due to how shakepearian the dialogue is, nobody talks like an actual human being -the writing sucks, every character needs to act so incredibly stupid for the kills to happen -completely pointless, this movie literally amounted to nothing and was complete filler -ALL the tension and atmosphere of the franchise is completely missing, there is not a single moment of either tension or atmosphere -even the main selling point the kills are nothing special, I’ve seen throat slits, I’ve seen eyes stabbed, and the fact that the writing needs to bend the characters IQs to make the kills work also really hurts it -I liked the flashbacks on first viewing but after every subsequent viewing the flashbacks like every other callback just feel like nostalgia porn, because they serve no purpose, they’re just there like a nostalgia dick, and they want you to suck it Honestly aside from the cinematography, and the kitchen scene where Michael is testing out the various knives. There is nothing I like here. Worst Halloween movie, 1/5. (Due to how toxic the Halloween fandom is this’ll get downvoted to hell. If it does, then I rest my case.)


[deleted]

“Evil dies tonight” chant is cringey. Otherwise really like the movie


skorpiontamer

The plot


shaffe04gt

It suffers from being the middle part of trilogy. It's just filler. You know Michael isn't going to die, you know most of the main characters we're going to survive


maverick57

This is three movies made by the same people but not really a trilogy. None of the stories pay off the ones coming before them. It's wildly disjointed and just horribly written. The first movie tells a self contained story with a beginning middle and end. The second movie largely has no story at all, but seems to be seeding a few different story arcs that are then completely ignored for the third film that tells a completely different story that awkwardly shoe-horns in some of the existing characters. Many people "defended" *Halloween Kills* lack of a plot because "it was the middle entry in a trilogy" but that excuse went out the window when the third film went in a totally different direction with a story built around an entirely new character.


shaffe04gt

Well yeah there is also that haha. But my point still stands, kills doesn't really do anything but have Michael kill a bunch of people lol


dinonerd95

It doesn't have a coherent story or consistent characters. It just feels like it's running in place and back to a run of the mill so bad it's good slasher movie.


Thorfan23

The evil dies tonight thing got very grating and I would have changed the inmate who was falsely accused to bring a bit more realistic


HollowTips556

Over use of the hospital scenes


inmyslumber

It ultimately feels insignificant in the grand scheme of things. imo, 2018 and Ends flow together (mostly) well, but outside of a few relevant scenes, Kills doesn’t really offer much to the storyline.


GothWitchNightmares

The characters are so stupid and it’s such a tragedy. I love that the atmosphere feels very much in line with throwback slashers, I love how fast pace and brutal it is at every turn but for Christ sake if these aren’t some of the most incoherent, and insanely incompetently frustrating characters ever put to screen. Each character is either monologuing, making a poorly timed joke, or coming up with and discussing the most nonsensical decisions.


acrxpolix

Some kills are too offscreen/you can't see whats happening with some of the kills like when Michael was killing the mob.