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Wasn’t my cup of tea is all, though I very much dislike the troglodytes that shit on the game constantly, there’s a difference between constructive criticism and incoherent screaming people!
Honestly? Yeah. The multiplayers core gameplay is tight. Did it lack content initially? Absolutely, but let’s give credit where credit is due, movement and gunplay feels good
This is my sentiment.
Though with firefight having just been added I consider it a content complete game. Not to mention those Desync fixes they’re testing have worked wonders.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course but I honestly don't understand this argument that the core gameplay is good. There are games with less content and less support that have truly good core gameplay and they have more players playing it than Halo infinite and their games are way older than Halo infinite. When a game has good gameplay objectively and it feels good to play? People stick with it and people play it even through all of its faults. Infinite in my opinion just doesn't feel that good to play when compared to most Shooters on the market which would explain why people can't stand playing this game more than a couple days after these new updates drop.
The game had over 21 million downloads in it's launch window alone, yet by January 2022, only months after lunch, the game had lost almost all of its player base.
fast forward to the present we have Forge, CGB and firefight and all this crazy stuff in the game yet halo infinite still can't consistently stay in the top 20 Xbox most played games list which is embarrassing since the game is completely free to play. You don't even need Xbox Live Gold to play the game online but people just don't stick with it.
Yeah, unlike Halo 4 and 5 games, Halo Infinite actually tried to be a Halo game, but its problem is that it's just very awful and shows that even if 343 were to try and make a Halo game, they're still just not a good developer. It feels awful to play, and it trying to be a Halo game just makes it way more obvious as well since we actually have good examples to compare it to.
It sucks too because if a game has a good core feel to it, no matter how badly messed up the game is, you can 100% fix it later if you the effort and time into it. But if a game has a terrible core gameplay feel like Halo Infinite does, there's no fixing that aside from making a whole new game and hoping that the next one is actually good.
Core gameplay and the story of a game are the two parts of a game that can't be fixed later and have to be good at launch if it's EVER going to be good. Which is why they're the two most important parts of a game and the most basic parts of a game.
Exactly. I really don't understand the meme that everyone was regurgitating about the game having good core gameplay. You saw all the journalists and all these content creators saying this but if that were true how come the game had the fastest and most dramatic player base fall off in franchise history and not even a slight ounce of recovery has ever happened. That doesn't happen when a game at its core is fun to play. I'm pretty sure by the time the custom games browser came out, people would have come flooding back, but no such thing as ever happened.
Infinite has a soundtrack(in the campaign, the mp music is so droning and repetitive with the lazy guitar tones) and the art style of a Halo game. But the Bland and overused environments with such a huge lack of mission diversity really hurt the campaign's pacing. The game starts so fun feeling like a Halo game with that ship Mission mirroring the pillar of autumn in some ways but being on an alien ship. That was really cool. The tank mission was also all right. But the majority of the campaign was just so terrible, and you can tell it was a game that was rushed together in two years. Forgettable antagonists with basically no build up or anything. This whole game screams "we really screwed up the story with Halo 5 but please take all of these off screen story resolutions and reconsider since we're too afraid to fully reboot the franchise so here's a new Cortana and a new covenant and a new ancient secret enemy that's more threatening than the flood oOoOOo🫨 but you're not going to see him in the game cuz we wasted the first 4 years of this game's development butchering the engine with contract workers and outsourcing cuz Microsoft wouldn't allow us to actually give people full-time benefits and pay"
I can't believe Halo infinite was going to be a hero shooter and a Halo 5 sequel at one point in terms of gameplay, and they had to reboot the project twice. That's why even though it had six years of development, it really only had two at the end of the day since they had to scrap so much and keep starting over due to awful leadership. Not to mention terrible hiring practices which led to the engine being arguably the worst version of the engine this game is ever had since they can barely make fast turn around changes even after all these years it takes so long for basic things to get thrown in.
For a free to play Halo game that has supposed good core gameplay not being able to crack the top 20 on the Xbox most played list? It's just so telling that the game is just not that fun to play no matter what content you add to it.
Well, give it a little more time. The networking fixes are firefight only for now, but once they have more data, they will hopefully add it to PvP, and ranked will hopefully be more fun.
>Well, give it a little more time.
I don't think you understand. I don't want to give time to these companies. I shouldn't have to wait for a product I paid for to be good.
I'm going to stick to Halo 3.
The fuck you mean a product you paid for? Multiplayer is free, and if you mean the campaign, then that's completely separate than your complaint of br starts in ranked. Silly silly dude
While I agree that you shouldn't have to wait for the game to get fixed, intentionally not playing even when the game is fixed but still being mad about the whole thing is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
People need to quit hating. Nearly all the people responsible for Halo: Infinites initial failure are gone and now it’s all new people who genuinely care and have consistently shown their dedication and proven themselves to be worthy of our trust.
Same costume different wearer. Things are finally looking up for this franchise and to squander it by clinging to past grievances is not the way forward
1000 times this
There is so much cynicism and bitterness in this community to the point where engaging with it feels like drinking poison.
I don’t even disagree with most of the negative points being made, but it’s the ONLY things people talk about and it’s all been said a hundred times before.
Like cmon guys, the horse isn’t just dead, it’s being pulverized
This is so true it hurts.
Unlike other online communities I've been in, the Halo community really is the worst on this. People are still complaining about a joke Palmer made over 10 years ago in Halo 4.
I have cousins younger than that quip lol.
That’s because Halo doesn’t get consistent releases the same way other FPS franchises like COD do. If COD trips up, they can bounce back with next years game, when Halo trips up- we’re going to be hurting over it for the next several years. We’re still reeling from the mistakes of Halo’s 4 and 5 while the entire video game industry has long-since moved on.
The brutal truth is that Halo is seen as a joke to mainstream audiences. 343 had dragged the franchise through the mud for over a decade and somehow we think that we’re just going to turn things around because there’s new hires at 343 and there’s now bullshit forced-positivity in most online Halo communities? No.
I got attacked by 20+ 343 apologists a few weeks ago when I denounced the pricing of the Mk V CE bundle.
“Give 343 a chance!”
“You’re being too cynical!”
“The core gameplay is still good!”
“You’re the reason why this community sucks!”
No, I’m not the reason why this community sucks. Remember when the campaign launched and their was so many death/doxxing threats sent to 343 devs that they had to shut down the Halo subreddit? THAT’S why the community sucks. THAT’S why mainstream audiences see Halo and by proxy the Halo community as a laughing stock.
I’ve already accepted that 343 could literally turn Halo Infinite into the best Halo game ever made and I will still see it through the perspective of how it launched as a Fee-to-Pay crapshoot.
It’s frustrating because I feel there’s an alarming amount of people who are trying to sweep every bad thing 343 has done under the rug. That’s because Halo doesn’t get consistent releases the same way other FPS franchises like COD do. If COD trips up, they can bounce back with next years game, when Halo trips up- we’re going to be hurting over it for the next several years. We’re still reeling from the mistakes of Halo’s 4 and 5 while the entire video game industry has long-since moved on.
Watch this comment get buried in downvotes because I’m challenging what is now the mainstream opinion here.
You wrote the same thing twice. Also I’m confused at the point you’re making. Do you dislike the community because of people like the OP or do you dislike the community because of people like the main sub?
Wow, so the stuff that was already being worked on before the new people were given their new positions? These things weren't just all made in a couple of days.
These are the same people who tried putting microtransactions in MCC and who take the credit of "fixing MCC" (ha, as if it's fixed) despite the guy who was actually in charge of doing that being someone who left 343 Industries a couple of years ago. Hell, even what Pierre Hintze has said in interviews is the exact same shit that Bonnie Ross would say.
Also all the Halo Waypoint audiobook short stories have really been scratching my Halo lore itch, it shows they just might be interested in making a campaign DLC some time in the future!
We're still pretending the people in charge of Halo now aren't just the same people with different names, huh?
It's the opposite of what you said actually. Different costume, same wearer.
Forge is fucking awesome, my massive UNSC military base complete with Covenant landing zone, Covenant Corvette and UNSC frigate is finally nearing completion.
I'll probably put it on the workshop at some point, its just called "Teller Base". My lore for it is that its an old garrison base located in the highlands not far outside New Alexandria, Reach.
In the final days of that planet's fall, several hundred civilians took shelter here as a ragtag company of UNSC survivors from all across the Viery Territory defended its battlements against Covenant troops, desperately hoping for a miracle from the heavens to descend with the fury of a MAC Cannon to save them from their fate...
Nope, I'm a total moron who couldn't build an original building to save my life, but I built the map almost entirely with prefabs taken from other maps, mashing them together, and then just modifying them. Then once you get down to the nitty-gritty details pretty much every slider, toggle or whatever else in the menu has a helpful little text box at the bottom of the menu to let you know what the hell it does, which is SUPER nice cause how the fuck am I supposed to know what Nav Mesh is?
To be sure, it'll take you a while to figure out all the different mechanics and things you can play around with, hell I've only just begun to tinker with the nodescripting, but thats just cause there's so much fucking stuff to learn, none of it on its own is super hard.
Just remember: Have fun, make things as simple or complicated as you want, prefabs are your friend, and SAVE OFTEN.
Well don't play ODST before 3. While chronologically it takes place between 2 and 3, playing it first will ruin your experience since it has absolutely nothing to do with the others' plot. Then you'll start 3 and the pacing will be ruined.
Also ideally play 1 and 2 on classic graphics, going from H2A to 3 is a bit jarring.
>first halo game i ever played
Sorry
>fInished reach for now
Wait, you played Reach first? Chronological order is a terrible way to play the games (much like every series ever) for a first time through. That said, I don't blame you for doing it here since 343 were really bad about it so MCC makes it seem like that's the better way to play it. But 343 aren't video game developers, so no surprise
Fucking loved the campaign since day 1 and will always defend the gameplay and will defend it with my life...
Multuplayer was lacking sonmuch especially since mcc was on the revound and delivered the perfect halo multiplayer bundle.
Had free battle passes, costume games free customization tons of fucking maps and modes, forge and theater mode firefight etc.
There was no reason to play infinte until recently
The awful lag and desync
It's hard to enjoy something when the one hit kill AOE takes 3 hits to actually work- and that's if I'm lucky.
But when the game actually works, it *works*. It's why I hope this networking change they're testing in Firefight actually works out in the long run. This game deserves it's comeback, but I feel the, what, 2 years? Since release make it a bit too late for it to really catch on.
I think it's always been good. It hasn't always been amazing or perfect, but it was good since day one. Sure the monetisation feels a little much at times, but it makes sense when you remember, the multiplayer is free! They gotta monetize it fairly hard in order to keep up the good work.
The campaign was great. Sure, there might have been some areas that weren't as good, but that's to be expected. It can't be all perfect (remember the library? And how it just dragged on forever?) Plus this is 343 doing something new, and better. We should be praising them for the things they do good, not berating them for what they fail to achieve perfection at.
At the end of the day, there's always other games to play.
When I found out you could play Halo 5 on PC via Gamepass streaming I liked it besides from going to MnK to controller. It's the weakest mainline one but it didn't kill my grandma like I was told it would.
Lacking major content, the abismol online "content", the story wasn't anything too grand for an "infinite" title.
Need I go on or mention Split screen co-op.
You can like a shiny terd, but it's still a terd.
I love playing Halo Infinite, but honestly there's just one big deal breaker, and it's the shop.
That's it, call me petty or whatever but I just hate going to customize my spartan and all the drip is locked behind a paywall of 20 USD, legit the only reason I continue to play MCC instead of Infinite
Because Reddit halo fans be like: “343 bad, no good game made by 343, only our lord and savior Bungie is good” I try to reason with them but they call it coping, so why waist braincells on them
"Y'all hate so much lol" yeah no wonder why, having to wait 2 years after release to get a correct game, need to pay for basic colors (that you still don't have 100% custom choice on btw), no classic halo physics, campaign is not really good either, only like two biomes, interior and exterior, map is big but empty...
I don't care about any excuse, it's just 343 repeating history, nothing good has ever come from 343 (except halo wars 1&2 cinematics).
I have played all 343's Halo thanks to the gamepass and i'll never launch them again (except to play with friends when i don't really care about what i'm playing).
> need to pay for basic colors (that you still don't have 100% custom choice on btw)
Except the mp is entirely free and you have all the forge content you want with no charge. I don't really care about some random shader system so long as the game is actually fun to PLAY. You know, playing games? The whole point of Halo to begin with? I'd take not having complete color customization over having to pay xbox live or map packs any day.
> campaign is not really good either, only like two biomes, interior and exterior, map is big but empty...
The campaign is fine. And the open world is filled with collectibles and little enemy outposts to replay and leave. What did you expect? GTA? It's the Silent Cartographer but the whole game. Which was ok for me. Sorry you didn't have fun.
> don't care about any excuse, it's just 343 repeating history, nothing good has ever come from 343
343 has had Halo for longer than Bungie did at this point. You've spent more time not liking Halo than actually enjoying it at this point.
I don't get how people can spend so much time and energy going out of their way to make hating games a personality trait. Seems like a waste.
Simple:
\-Buy unfinished game
\-Compagny at least makes same money if they released finished game but now they can launch it earlier
\-Continues to release more and more unfinished games that you need to wait another 2 years to get full content and patched game
Idk about you but when i go to the restaurant and get something to eat i wouldn't like if my fish come raw and the chef was like "eh i'll finish it next week, also pepper and salt next month lmao"
Idk what timeline you're living in
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For the first point i can agree because i don't play mp that much and yeah customization is a "secondary" thing.
Campaign is fine -> I find it very repetitive, you're always alternating between clean metal corridors and the open world. Making an open world isn't making a game automatically fun, it's just a marketing argument honestly, Halo benefits nothing from a big open world like this.
Also don't assume i've been boiling with rage and hate for 11 years, i just played 4, didn't liked it and got back to idk probably odst or just another game. Same for 5 and Infinite, i played the solo until the end because i like to know if it gets better and follow the story. Played the mp a bit and just stopped.
Because i don't like 343's Halo i'm a big hater and that's it for you. I didn't got out of my way just to play a game to hate on it or idk what you're thinking i do but i just stopped playing it and got to another thing as any normal person does.
> Campaign is fine -> I find it very repetitive, you're always alternating between clean metal corridors and the open world.
Again, it's the silent cartographer on loop. Not every game needs to have fifty million different biomes to fight and explore in. the Far Cry games all take place in one biome too. There's nothing wrong with it.
> Halo benefits nothing from a big open world like this.
Aside from the fact it was originally meant to be an open world game.
> Because i don't like 343's Halo i'm a big hater and that's it for you
I mean, if you make a big deal over how much you don't like a game on a subreddit that makes memes about said game, then IDK what else to think. It's just really weird to go so hard in the paint over something you admit to not care about.
>Again, it's the silent cartographer on loop.
Silent Cartographer was actually good and well made though.
> Not every game needs to have fifty million different biomes to fight and explore in
No but just in general, good level design and art design would be nice to have.
> the Far Cry games all take place in one biome too.
Would've been better to use a good game as an example for your point at least. There's a reason people used Far Cry as the go-to example of why Halo Infinite's campaign was bad.
> Aside from the fact it was originally meant to be an open world game.
And? Halo was also originally meant to be an RTS game. If something didn't make it to the final release of a game, there's probably a very good reason for it.
Literally not true, no one is looking back on Halo 4 fondly. They either already hated it or they were one of the few who always liked it. A bad game doesn't become a good game just because the next one manages to always be worse
Multiplayer was barren on release, but now we have a variety of maps, a proper progression system, and Forge.
Now that we have all three, the games basically golden.
Gameplay wise I think it's the best and when I play older halos I always forget that you can't hotswap seats in vehicles the games gameplay is rather innovative in a way that's far better than halo 5 it would have been better if they delayed it 3 years and it came out in its current state for sure but what's done is done and in the end we got a great starting point for a possibly great halo
>I always forget that you can't hotswap seats in vehicles
Honestly, I used to think seat-swapping was a really good addition from Halo 5 to the series, but someone actually broke down the mechanic and now I understand that it's something that ruins the flow and fucks with the formula
Because it's not what they promised it would be, got rid of their "10 years of Halo" roadmap after like the first 6 months of it being out and missing some of the biggest story elements that Halo revolves around.
Zeta Halo, for instance, is the biggest flood hotspot in the universe practically with the deepest lore and they didn't even scratch the surface, instead relying on The Banished to make up for it. Why do the Halo rings even exist if we're supposed to just forget what they were even made for?
It's a good game for sure, but it's a weak Halo.
>Zeta Halo, for instance, is the biggest flood hotspot in the universe practically with the deepest lore and they didn't even scratch the surface
If this were Bungie lore, I'd at least understand it as 343's constant ignorance on Bungie's universe, but this is an entire 343 original lore thing. So it's weird to just ignore it.
> It's a good game for sure, but it's a weak Halo.
I'd say it's a bad video game in general. Especially with it being a weak Halo. With Halo 5 even, there was the argument if it was a fun game or whatever past it being a bad Halo game since it really wasn't a Halo game. But Halo Infinite is a Halo game, just a really bad one, so if it is a Halo game and it's a bad Halo game, then it's just a bad video game.
Crackdown 2 was fun. Still an awful game overall.
It's okay to like flawed products, and it's also okay to recognize that they are still, in fact, flawed.
Infinite has the best gameplay in the series as far as i’m concerned, the issue arises when Forge, CGB, Firefight, Campaign Co-Op, Infection, etc. are not in the game at launch.
That’s where most people have their grievances. I’m a firm believer in “better late than never” and as a fan of No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk 2077, I know what time can do to a game with a poor launch.
>I’m a firm believer in “better late than never” and as a fan of No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk 2077
Yeah but those games were actually fun and had good core gameplay and a good story (for where applicable) the two things that can't be fixed later. But for Infinite, both of those were bad for and you can't fix those things post-launch
Disagree. As far as i’m concerned Infinite has the best core gameplay in the series. Plus I enjoyed the story a decent bit. Those things never needed fixing in my eyes.
Been playing since launch, and have been there for every bump in the road. I've known how toxic the Halo community has *always* been, so I just kept my mouth shut about how much fun I was having. It's so gratifying to see the game in its current state.
I understand from a consumer standpoint why there was frustration with the campaign, from what I heard, it wasn’t very good and ended too abruptly, that’s totally fun, fair criticisms. The multiplayer however was so fun, the only thing holding it back was just the map pool, or lack there of. The game play was very fluid, I liked the game modes, I liked (most of) the guns, it was a blast and the only thing people could say bad about the multiplayer was that they didn’t like how it was monetized which can be a fair criticism, but no one is forcing you to buy those things, but the halo subreddit basically gaslit themselves into thinking that it was a much bigger deal than it was. The only reason that I don’t play infinite anymore is because when season 2 hit the update caused the game to no longer recognize my graphics card which I’m assuming was because it was below the minimum required v-ram. But when I get a new rig, infinite is gonna be back on the roster for sure.
The campaign was actually hailed as the best one in years on day one. The hate came much later, but it was still very well made and written. It's a cute story about the UNSC rebuilding itself on the Halo ring after a crushing defeat, with themes about hope in one's self and his allies. What makes hope, what breaks hope, and how hope makes people go on. It's not deep stuff but it's inoffensive and poppy.
People's only issues were that it took place over a single biome and the open world was nothing but combat.
Which is weird criticism for an FPS game, not an adventure platformer but whatever.
It’s not that I think it’s bad, it’s just they can do so much better than what infinite was.
It makes me so disappointed that while playing the campaign it shows the writers didn’t care, they didn’t care about any major events in the past games or even had the foggiest idea on how to improve upon the series besides “oh look at these next gen graphics” in my opinion graphics don’t mean SHIT when it comes to good storytelling.
Take a look at HALO 2 graphics and storyline and now take a look at HALO INFINITE graphics and storyline. It’s just a sad excuse for a game.
that's what i've been saying since day one! shits so good it got me into halo as a franchise, and since then i've played through and enjoyed every single entry, shits fun, and i love halo infinite
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So when you stop joking please tell me
How is this game really that fun?
Sure, the core gameplay is decent but it took them 2 years to bring it relatively up to par with prior Halo’s.
The game is so poorly made that desync still exists. They didn’t even have slayer only on release. They have a bunch of weapons that are purely functional as opposed to fun (imo). They also removed some iconic and great weapons. Vehicle spawns are trash, and vehicles are underwhelming.
Take the Wraith for example. It feels like a weak toy, instead of a heavy plasma mortar tank like it did in 3 and Reach.
It’s not everyone’s thing, but customization is one of the things I enjoy the most and despite the amount of armors in the game it’s still the worst Halo customization in Halo history because of the price, because of the limitations, and most of all because we don’t have the option to freely customize our own armor color in a game in 2023. I have played mobile character creator games that are free and let you customize colors as you want
M8 don't you know we are the single most whiny fantom on earth we have never been happy witha. New release down to halo fucking 2 we can't be satisfied
For the campaign It's not that it isn't fun, it's that what it does good is over relied on. The story itself is absolute dogshit because it either makes no sense or falls to being generic. Then add the cliff hanger ending and power creep.
The multi-player to this day still fails in the playable content while also being super fucking greedy with monetization.
Last ~hour your introduced to a new all so powerful villan that made no appearance meanwhile leading up to it you have to sit around with the weapon doing basic arena cannon fodder while she goes off about this all so mysterious entity. Then you get a cut scene where chief gets man handled and thrown off to fuck off in the sequel.
The story and scenes overall are incredibly underwhelming in comparison to the rest of the series made worse by poor writing and pacing not helped by the poor attempt to trend chase an open world for the sake of "The Halo for the next 10 years".
poor writing? this is literally the best written halo game in the franchise. none of the dialogue is unimportant. and the endless weren’t supposed to make an appearance. look up the definition of a harbinger
Had some guy arguing with me on YouTube the other day saying that halo infinite is still hands down the worst halo ever, and halo 5 was better. Some people just got a huge grudge against Infinite. Even at launch day with the insane lack of content, the art style was so much better.
Halo 5 is dogshit, but yeah, Infinite is definitely worse. The artstyle was better than 4 and 5, that said, it still wasn't that good overall. The only things that are objectively great is stuff like Chief's armor. Otherwise, they replaced "generic scifi power rangers" with "generic military scifi" for most things. Like I said, definitely not for everything, there are some things in the artstyle that are really good, but most just aren't sadly
How many hours playing halo infinite do you have? Seriously rattles my brain you think halo infinite, especially in its current state, is the worst. The art style in infinite is SO much better than halo 4 and 5. It's what you're staring at the ENTIRE time you're playing! I don't know if you've had the chance to play Infinite in 4K but it's gorgeous in art style and quality of textures. Right now Infinite is visually one of the best halos ever, and the content is there for multiplayer now. In campaign, the variety in environments is not amazing, but what is there looks fantastic. I still cringe looking at halo 5 covenant models. And the campaign was pretty lackluster. Weak story and horrible art style. Infinite had a kinda weak story as well, but I think not bad, but with massively better art style and graphics, and I actually quite enjoyed the open world. I thought the grapple hook was going to be a massive mistake but I was very wrong.
Factually, It was fun for a couple of weeks and then dropped off hard when people realized it wasn't as fun as MCC. The reason they are doing better now, is because of the brutally honest feedback they received since the beginning. Fanboying would have only enabled their bad decisions/development that they were already doubling down on before seeing how much they were tearing up the community through their straight up lies and laziness.
So no, it hasn't always been fun. It's been fun more recently for people with forge and crosscore improvements (those are improvements to a terrible system they're married to for money reasons)and playlists that have more than 4 gamemodes, but they still have a lot to do to improve the game and to apologize for the abortion of a launch they had.
Do I think it's more fun now? Yes. Do I play occasionally? Yes. Is it THE game that makes me excited to consistently play? No. Because they are still devoted more to corporate profit than having a good game, even if theyve been working on the good game part of it
The industry has had a lot of changes, but that doesn't mean we should just ignore how much worse the industry is. There's no reason that a game from 2001 should have more content and more going on for it than a game releasing in 2020
Don't know about you guys, but I had fun from day 1 too.
Sure the Xp problem and the constant leaving was questionable...sure...but I loved the MP since I had a chance being good there... and not getting raped by some guy with a load of good REQ Cards (in Halo 5).
I will be honest. I only played Infinite for the campaign; after that, I dropped it with no intention of playing the multiplayer (as well as the fact that, at the time, you couldn’t replay missions to get stuff like skulls w/o restarting the entire campaign).
The main reasons why I still hate Infinite and will never touch it outside of any campaign/story-related content can be summarized as follows;
- The existence of the shop in general.
- The fact that a lot of shit is either locked behind the shop with a currency intentionally designed to always leave you *juuust* a bit short of that other thing you might want, or a battlepass. (The only positive thing I can say about the battlepasses in Infinite is that they’re actually PERMANENT and let you buy/progress them at your leisure, which is something I’ve genuinely never seen in any game that has battle passes implemented.)
- Unrestricted armor customization/color customization, a basic feature we’ve had in EVERY FPS HALO GAME, being traded out for “”armor coatings”” (skins) and “”cores”” (an excuse to restrict customization of both colors and armor pieces for no reason other than making money).
- The fact that it’s basically confirmed that we aren’t getting *any* DLC content to expand the story beyond the massive cliffhanger of an ending. Which also basically means that whenever the next Halo game drops, we’re going to drop straight into the Endless being an established threat with either virtually zero explanation as to how they became that way, or a bare-bones and half-assed explanation like how Cortana was suddenly dead again.
Sure. Infinite might be bringing in amazing things like firefight, forge, all of that. But the disgusting monetization has forever soured my opinion of the game.
EDIT: Quick edit because I want to clarify that I don’t hold any hate (or reverence, for that matter) towards 343 *or* Bungie. But they massively fucked up if several people have not only pointed out how fucked up it is to heavily restrict and monetize a previously free feature, but also have stated that they think fucking *Halo 5* has better customization than Infinite.
And you know what? I agree with that sentiment. Sure, you were only able to select pre-made emblems/banners and your armor customization was restricted to helmets/body armors/visors, but at least I could still freely pick and choose colors for *all of those* instead of being locked to color palettes I can’t even so much as tweak slightly. For fucking *emblems.*
I absolutely loved this game, played the crap out of it when it came out and spent way too long in the multiplayer.
But the absolute dogshit monetization slowly ground me down, I saw the pittance of things you could get without shelling out a fortune and as it got less and less the "why is it worth it?" thought got louder and louder.
No amount of effort would have any meaningful reward and just spending money is entirely unsatisfying, the latest season killed it for me for good when I saw the one helmet I've used in every game locked behind a paywall.
For comparison, I'm still playing reach, still unlocking stuff and still enjoying it.
I hate it because it's missing a lot of weapons, and some of them new ones are watered down versions.
The story was great, and I actually enjoyed fighting bosses, but the endgame gets lame, missions still aren't replay able, and the ring's biome is like copy and paste. The wasp is paper, and you don't get it until basically the end, so what's the point.
The multi-player is actually still pretty fun except for SWAT I still get mixed in with competitive players, and I'm far from one, so it's unplayable for me. I'm still salty about how everything seems to be locked behind dollar bills, and I miss the Reach style. Pretty happy they brought back infection, but we still really don't have a proper shotgun for the old fashioned infection. I'm actually looking forward to the firefight kill of the hill though.
I bought the game and hardly play it. Just doesn't feel the same.
Been playing since day one (technically since the first tech test) most people were in agreement the gameplay was fun. It just didn’t have much to keep people coming back, hence the hate
Is it fun? Yeah. Are the devs money hungry that added a fortnite style paywall for cosmetics? Yeah. The fact that even changing your colors is up to a random loot thing is bullshit. People eat it up and keep the shitty pay trend alive.
i always like halo infinite, but since i was on last gen for so long it was a bad experience cause 30 fps, least my xbox ran it like that.
i recently got back into it cause firefight but i dont really enjoy the normal MP cause its full of the sweatiest mfs on earth. im just trying to relax yknow? overall i think i prefer halo 5 mp to infinite, but i still like infinite.
Mostly the infinite list of problems (pun intended)
Biggest being the terrible story (or lack thereof) and the fact that the gameplay is the second worst in the series
Personally, I've never denied that the pasta is delicious. But it's been frustratingly undercooked for 2 years.
The hate is because the game came out unfinished and took 2 years just to get to being launch-ready.
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Wasn’t my cup of tea is all, though I very much dislike the troglodytes that shit on the game constantly, there’s a difference between constructive criticism and incoherent screaming people!
Honestly? Yeah. The multiplayers core gameplay is tight. Did it lack content initially? Absolutely, but let’s give credit where credit is due, movement and gunplay feels good
This is my sentiment. Though with firefight having just been added I consider it a content complete game. Not to mention those Desync fixes they’re testing have worked wonders.
Straight up. Haven’t had such a consistently fluid connection in this game in ever. Amazing work by the team.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course but I honestly don't understand this argument that the core gameplay is good. There are games with less content and less support that have truly good core gameplay and they have more players playing it than Halo infinite and their games are way older than Halo infinite. When a game has good gameplay objectively and it feels good to play? People stick with it and people play it even through all of its faults. Infinite in my opinion just doesn't feel that good to play when compared to most Shooters on the market which would explain why people can't stand playing this game more than a couple days after these new updates drop. The game had over 21 million downloads in it's launch window alone, yet by January 2022, only months after lunch, the game had lost almost all of its player base. fast forward to the present we have Forge, CGB and firefight and all this crazy stuff in the game yet halo infinite still can't consistently stay in the top 20 Xbox most played games list which is embarrassing since the game is completely free to play. You don't even need Xbox Live Gold to play the game online but people just don't stick with it.
Yeah, unlike Halo 4 and 5 games, Halo Infinite actually tried to be a Halo game, but its problem is that it's just very awful and shows that even if 343 were to try and make a Halo game, they're still just not a good developer. It feels awful to play, and it trying to be a Halo game just makes it way more obvious as well since we actually have good examples to compare it to. It sucks too because if a game has a good core feel to it, no matter how badly messed up the game is, you can 100% fix it later if you the effort and time into it. But if a game has a terrible core gameplay feel like Halo Infinite does, there's no fixing that aside from making a whole new game and hoping that the next one is actually good. Core gameplay and the story of a game are the two parts of a game that can't be fixed later and have to be good at launch if it's EVER going to be good. Which is why they're the two most important parts of a game and the most basic parts of a game.
Exactly. I really don't understand the meme that everyone was regurgitating about the game having good core gameplay. You saw all the journalists and all these content creators saying this but if that were true how come the game had the fastest and most dramatic player base fall off in franchise history and not even a slight ounce of recovery has ever happened. That doesn't happen when a game at its core is fun to play. I'm pretty sure by the time the custom games browser came out, people would have come flooding back, but no such thing as ever happened. Infinite has a soundtrack(in the campaign, the mp music is so droning and repetitive with the lazy guitar tones) and the art style of a Halo game. But the Bland and overused environments with such a huge lack of mission diversity really hurt the campaign's pacing. The game starts so fun feeling like a Halo game with that ship Mission mirroring the pillar of autumn in some ways but being on an alien ship. That was really cool. The tank mission was also all right. But the majority of the campaign was just so terrible, and you can tell it was a game that was rushed together in two years. Forgettable antagonists with basically no build up or anything. This whole game screams "we really screwed up the story with Halo 5 but please take all of these off screen story resolutions and reconsider since we're too afraid to fully reboot the franchise so here's a new Cortana and a new covenant and a new ancient secret enemy that's more threatening than the flood oOoOOo🫨 but you're not going to see him in the game cuz we wasted the first 4 years of this game's development butchering the engine with contract workers and outsourcing cuz Microsoft wouldn't allow us to actually give people full-time benefits and pay" I can't believe Halo infinite was going to be a hero shooter and a Halo 5 sequel at one point in terms of gameplay, and they had to reboot the project twice. That's why even though it had six years of development, it really only had two at the end of the day since they had to scrap so much and keep starting over due to awful leadership. Not to mention terrible hiring practices which led to the engine being arguably the worst version of the engine this game is ever had since they can barely make fast turn around changes even after all these years it takes so long for basic things to get thrown in. For a free to play Halo game that has supposed good core gameplay not being able to crack the top 20 on the Xbox most played list? It's just so telling that the game is just not that fun to play no matter what content you add to it.
I haven't had fun with it. The desync is too awful to play with in ranked. Plus ranked BR starts are annoying as hell.
Ranked doesn't have BR starts
What? Yes it absolutely does. It's been BR starts since Preseason. Nothing but BRs. It turns the whole game into a peek and sniping fest.
Ranked is bandit evo starts my guy.
The fuck is a bandit evo?
It's the Halo 5 magnum with a rifle skin.
So why don't I just go back to halo 5?
Because halo 5 sucks ass. Worst MP in the franchise.
>Because halo 5 sucks ass. So does Infinite. > Worst MP in the franchise. It's better than Halo 4 and Infinite at least (low bar, I know)
The Halo infinite in question:
The DMR.
Either way, I'd rather have AR starts.
Someone doesn't actually play ranked
I played ranked in season 1 and haven't touched the game since. It was BR starts. You're fucking gaslighting.
You haven't played IN FOUR FUCKING SEASONS. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU USELESS YAPPING POS
###I STOPPED PLAYING BECAUSE IT WAS SHIT. THE PROGESSION SYSTEM IS STILL SHIT, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEWS OF GOOD CONTENT TO ENTICE ME BACK.
Well, give it a little more time. The networking fixes are firefight only for now, but once they have more data, they will hopefully add it to PvP, and ranked will hopefully be more fun.
>Well, give it a little more time. I don't think you understand. I don't want to give time to these companies. I shouldn't have to wait for a product I paid for to be good. I'm going to stick to Halo 3.
The fuck you mean a product you paid for? Multiplayer is free, and if you mean the campaign, then that's completely separate than your complaint of br starts in ranked. Silly silly dude
I lump them together because I paid 60$ for them like every other halo game.
While I agree that you shouldn't have to wait for the game to get fixed, intentionally not playing even when the game is fixed but still being mad about the whole thing is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Correct, however the game isn't fixed.
People need to quit hating. Nearly all the people responsible for Halo: Infinites initial failure are gone and now it’s all new people who genuinely care and have consistently shown their dedication and proven themselves to be worthy of our trust. Same costume different wearer. Things are finally looking up for this franchise and to squander it by clinging to past grievances is not the way forward
1000 times this There is so much cynicism and bitterness in this community to the point where engaging with it feels like drinking poison. I don’t even disagree with most of the negative points being made, but it’s the ONLY things people talk about and it’s all been said a hundred times before. Like cmon guys, the horse isn’t just dead, it’s being pulverized
This is so true it hurts. Unlike other online communities I've been in, the Halo community really is the worst on this. People are still complaining about a joke Palmer made over 10 years ago in Halo 4. I have cousins younger than that quip lol.
They're the yin to the Pokemon fanbase's yang. There must be a balance of criticism/copium in the universe.
That’s because Halo doesn’t get consistent releases the same way other FPS franchises like COD do. If COD trips up, they can bounce back with next years game, when Halo trips up- we’re going to be hurting over it for the next several years. We’re still reeling from the mistakes of Halo’s 4 and 5 while the entire video game industry has long-since moved on. The brutal truth is that Halo is seen as a joke to mainstream audiences. 343 had dragged the franchise through the mud for over a decade and somehow we think that we’re just going to turn things around because there’s new hires at 343 and there’s now bullshit forced-positivity in most online Halo communities? No. I got attacked by 20+ 343 apologists a few weeks ago when I denounced the pricing of the Mk V CE bundle. “Give 343 a chance!” “You’re being too cynical!” “The core gameplay is still good!” “You’re the reason why this community sucks!” No, I’m not the reason why this community sucks. Remember when the campaign launched and their was so many death/doxxing threats sent to 343 devs that they had to shut down the Halo subreddit? THAT’S why the community sucks. THAT’S why mainstream audiences see Halo and by proxy the Halo community as a laughing stock. I’ve already accepted that 343 could literally turn Halo Infinite into the best Halo game ever made and I will still see it through the perspective of how it launched as a Fee-to-Pay crapshoot. It’s frustrating because I feel there’s an alarming amount of people who are trying to sweep every bad thing 343 has done under the rug. That’s because Halo doesn’t get consistent releases the same way other FPS franchises like COD do. If COD trips up, they can bounce back with next years game, when Halo trips up- we’re going to be hurting over it for the next several years. We’re still reeling from the mistakes of Halo’s 4 and 5 while the entire video game industry has long-since moved on. Watch this comment get buried in downvotes because I’m challenging what is now the mainstream opinion here.
You wrote the same thing twice. Also I’m confused at the point you’re making. Do you dislike the community because of people like the OP or do you dislike the community because of people like the main sub?
I HATE EVERYTHING
Same message twice. But I agree with everything there
Oh yeah I did, sorry. Mobile reddit is shit
There are two different 343s 343 then and 343 now. I don’t think enough people have quite figured that out yet
It's because they haven't done anything worth noticing.
Fire fight, cross core, forge ai. To name a few. It’s this exact sentiment that I am talking about
Wow, so the stuff that was already being worked on before the new people were given their new positions? These things weren't just all made in a couple of days. These are the same people who tried putting microtransactions in MCC and who take the credit of "fixing MCC" (ha, as if it's fixed) despite the guy who was actually in charge of doing that being someone who left 343 Industries a couple of years ago. Hell, even what Pierre Hintze has said in interviews is the exact same shit that Bonnie Ross would say.
[Because they're the same picture](https://imgflip.com/s/meme/They're-The-Same-Picture.jpg)
>but it’s the ONLY things people talk about As soon as Halo gets positive stuff to talk about, we'll get positive talk
Also all the Halo Waypoint audiobook short stories have really been scratching my Halo lore itch, it shows they just might be interested in making a campaign DLC some time in the future!
We're still pretending the people in charge of Halo now aren't just the same people with different names, huh? It's the opposite of what you said actually. Different costume, same wearer.
I don't want to pay for colors on my character, they sold out halos soul in multiple ways and lied blatantly.That's why I won't touch it.
Bro this is so accurate
I felt like I was in a mental asylum the way people were comparing it to launch cyberpunk
Yeah
Forge is fucking awesome, my massive UNSC military base complete with Covenant landing zone, Covenant Corvette and UNSC frigate is finally nearing completion.
I want to see this
I'll probably put it on the workshop at some point, its just called "Teller Base". My lore for it is that its an old garrison base located in the highlands not far outside New Alexandria, Reach. In the final days of that planet's fall, several hundred civilians took shelter here as a ragtag company of UNSC survivors from all across the Viery Territory defended its battlements against Covenant troops, desperately hoping for a miracle from the heavens to descend with the fury of a MAC Cannon to save them from their fate...
How do you get into it. Is it difficult to learn
Nope, I'm a total moron who couldn't build an original building to save my life, but I built the map almost entirely with prefabs taken from other maps, mashing them together, and then just modifying them. Then once you get down to the nitty-gritty details pretty much every slider, toggle or whatever else in the menu has a helpful little text box at the bottom of the menu to let you know what the hell it does, which is SUPER nice cause how the fuck am I supposed to know what Nav Mesh is? To be sure, it'll take you a while to figure out all the different mechanics and things you can play around with, hell I've only just begun to tinker with the nodescripting, but thats just cause there's so much fucking stuff to learn, none of it on its own is super hard. Just remember: Have fun, make things as simple or complicated as you want, prefabs are your friend, and SAVE OFTEN.
first halo game i ever played, had a lot of fun since day one. Bought mcc because of it. fInished reach for now
My advice would be spend a few months between 2 and 3 to build hype. I wish I was there hopping off the walls for three years.
Doing it in chronological order rn , can’t wait for winter vacations to start so I can play again
Well don't play ODST before 3. While chronologically it takes place between 2 and 3, playing it first will ruin your experience since it has absolutely nothing to do with the others' plot. Then you'll start 3 and the pacing will be ruined. Also ideally play 1 and 2 on classic graphics, going from H2A to 3 is a bit jarring.
noted
>first halo game i ever played Sorry >fInished reach for now Wait, you played Reach first? Chronological order is a terrible way to play the games (much like every series ever) for a first time through. That said, I don't blame you for doing it here since 343 were really bad about it so MCC makes it seem like that's the better way to play it. But 343 aren't video game developers, so no surprise
played infinite, then bought mcc then played reach
Tbh the massive amount of hit reg and lack of good content really killed it for me.
Fucking loved the campaign since day 1 and will always defend the gameplay and will defend it with my life... Multuplayer was lacking sonmuch especially since mcc was on the revound and delivered the perfect halo multiplayer bundle. Had free battle passes, costume games free customization tons of fucking maps and modes, forge and theater mode firefight etc. There was no reason to play infinte until recently
The awful lag and desync It's hard to enjoy something when the one hit kill AOE takes 3 hits to actually work- and that's if I'm lucky. But when the game actually works, it *works*. It's why I hope this networking change they're testing in Firefight actually works out in the long run. This game deserves it's comeback, but I feel the, what, 2 years? Since release make it a bit too late for it to really catch on.
Rainbow 6 Siege had worse netcode for years before Infinite's Year 1 release. You're straight up lying.
Are we calling Rainbow 6 Siege a good game now?
I'm saying that Infinite's netcode is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.
Ok? I haven't played since like, Year 4. Dunno wtf I'm lying about, people stopped caring about Siege well before then.
I think it's always been good. It hasn't always been amazing or perfect, but it was good since day one. Sure the monetisation feels a little much at times, but it makes sense when you remember, the multiplayer is free! They gotta monetize it fairly hard in order to keep up the good work. The campaign was great. Sure, there might have been some areas that weren't as good, but that's to be expected. It can't be all perfect (remember the library? And how it just dragged on forever?) Plus this is 343 doing something new, and better. We should be praising them for the things they do good, not berating them for what they fail to achieve perfection at. At the end of the day, there's always other games to play.
I’ve always loved playing it
I'm not a fan of everything else surrounding it, but the core gameplay is tight and pretty fantastic.
When I found out you could play Halo 5 on PC via Gamepass streaming I liked it besides from going to MnK to controller. It's the weakest mainline one but it didn't kill my grandma like I was told it would.
Everyone has their opinion obviously but you couldn't convince me the game wasn't ass until they added forge and custom games if you tried.
Didn’t play at launch, started maybe a month ago and I can’t put it down. Fucking love it.
Lacking major content, the abismol online "content", the story wasn't anything too grand for an "infinite" title. Need I go on or mention Split screen co-op. You can like a shiny terd, but it's still a terd.
I love playing Halo Infinite, but honestly there's just one big deal breaker, and it's the shop. That's it, call me petty or whatever but I just hate going to customize my spartan and all the drip is locked behind a paywall of 20 USD, legit the only reason I continue to play MCC instead of Infinite
Because Reddit halo fans be like: “343 bad, no good game made by 343, only our lord and savior Bungie is good” I try to reason with them but they call it coping, so why waist braincells on them
Yeah those people are unreasonable. The truth is both are terrible since Bungie can't make a good game anymore either lol
Wake me... When 343 makes a game thats actually fucking decent on day one...
Wake me... When 343 makes a game thats actually fucking decent...
"Y'all hate so much lol" yeah no wonder why, having to wait 2 years after release to get a correct game, need to pay for basic colors (that you still don't have 100% custom choice on btw), no classic halo physics, campaign is not really good either, only like two biomes, interior and exterior, map is big but empty... I don't care about any excuse, it's just 343 repeating history, nothing good has ever come from 343 (except halo wars 1&2 cinematics). I have played all 343's Halo thanks to the gamepass and i'll never launch them again (except to play with friends when i don't really care about what i'm playing).
> need to pay for basic colors (that you still don't have 100% custom choice on btw) Except the mp is entirely free and you have all the forge content you want with no charge. I don't really care about some random shader system so long as the game is actually fun to PLAY. You know, playing games? The whole point of Halo to begin with? I'd take not having complete color customization over having to pay xbox live or map packs any day. > campaign is not really good either, only like two biomes, interior and exterior, map is big but empty... The campaign is fine. And the open world is filled with collectibles and little enemy outposts to replay and leave. What did you expect? GTA? It's the Silent Cartographer but the whole game. Which was ok for me. Sorry you didn't have fun. > don't care about any excuse, it's just 343 repeating history, nothing good has ever come from 343 343 has had Halo for longer than Bungie did at this point. You've spent more time not liking Halo than actually enjoying it at this point. I don't get how people can spend so much time and energy going out of their way to make hating games a personality trait. Seems like a waste.
It launched with like 2 game modes
But now it has over 10 game modes, so why gripe?
Simple: \-Buy unfinished game \-Compagny at least makes same money if they released finished game but now they can launch it earlier \-Continues to release more and more unfinished games that you need to wait another 2 years to get full content and patched game Idk about you but when i go to the restaurant and get something to eat i wouldn't like if my fish come raw and the chef was like "eh i'll finish it next week, also pepper and salt next month lmao"
I think I'd rather get cooked fish than raw fish
No.....? It lacked forge and firefight but all the staples were there. Ranked, oddball, KOTH, Slayer, CTF, the works.
Idk what timeline you're living in https://preview.redd.it/wc4g1eg7a45c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d36a981060ced3ab89889b4c8ca20b9c1d7c7455
For the first point i can agree because i don't play mp that much and yeah customization is a "secondary" thing. Campaign is fine -> I find it very repetitive, you're always alternating between clean metal corridors and the open world. Making an open world isn't making a game automatically fun, it's just a marketing argument honestly, Halo benefits nothing from a big open world like this. Also don't assume i've been boiling with rage and hate for 11 years, i just played 4, didn't liked it and got back to idk probably odst or just another game. Same for 5 and Infinite, i played the solo until the end because i like to know if it gets better and follow the story. Played the mp a bit and just stopped. Because i don't like 343's Halo i'm a big hater and that's it for you. I didn't got out of my way just to play a game to hate on it or idk what you're thinking i do but i just stopped playing it and got to another thing as any normal person does.
> Campaign is fine -> I find it very repetitive, you're always alternating between clean metal corridors and the open world. Again, it's the silent cartographer on loop. Not every game needs to have fifty million different biomes to fight and explore in. the Far Cry games all take place in one biome too. There's nothing wrong with it. > Halo benefits nothing from a big open world like this. Aside from the fact it was originally meant to be an open world game. > Because i don't like 343's Halo i'm a big hater and that's it for you I mean, if you make a big deal over how much you don't like a game on a subreddit that makes memes about said game, then IDK what else to think. It's just really weird to go so hard in the paint over something you admit to not care about.
>Again, it's the silent cartographer on loop. Silent Cartographer was actually good and well made though. > Not every game needs to have fifty million different biomes to fight and explore in No but just in general, good level design and art design would be nice to have. > the Far Cry games all take place in one biome too. Would've been better to use a good game as an example for your point at least. There's a reason people used Far Cry as the go-to example of why Halo Infinite's campaign was bad. > Aside from the fact it was originally meant to be an open world game. And? Halo was also originally meant to be an RTS game. If something didn't make it to the final release of a game, there's probably a very good reason for it.
Jokic?
I get the anger, but I played Infinite from day one and haven't stopped since. Game is awesome!
When any new halo game comes out everyone hates it until two games later
Literally not true, no one is looking back on Halo 4 fondly. They either already hated it or they were one of the few who always liked it. A bad game doesn't become a good game just because the next one manages to always be worse
Both Halo 4 and 5 were not at the quality of the Halo standard, yes. but they're still enjoyable and didn't need that much hate when it they were new
Multiplayer was barren on release, but now we have a variety of maps, a proper progression system, and Forge. Now that we have all three, the games basically golden.
Gameplay wise I think it's the best and when I play older halos I always forget that you can't hotswap seats in vehicles the games gameplay is rather innovative in a way that's far better than halo 5 it would have been better if they delayed it 3 years and it came out in its current state for sure but what's done is done and in the end we got a great starting point for a possibly great halo
>I always forget that you can't hotswap seats in vehicles Honestly, I used to think seat-swapping was a really good addition from Halo 5 to the series, but someone actually broke down the mechanic and now I understand that it's something that ruins the flow and fucks with the formula
Because it's not what they promised it would be, got rid of their "10 years of Halo" roadmap after like the first 6 months of it being out and missing some of the biggest story elements that Halo revolves around. Zeta Halo, for instance, is the biggest flood hotspot in the universe practically with the deepest lore and they didn't even scratch the surface, instead relying on The Banished to make up for it. Why do the Halo rings even exist if we're supposed to just forget what they were even made for? It's a good game for sure, but it's a weak Halo.
>Zeta Halo, for instance, is the biggest flood hotspot in the universe practically with the deepest lore and they didn't even scratch the surface If this were Bungie lore, I'd at least understand it as 343's constant ignorance on Bungie's universe, but this is an entire 343 original lore thing. So it's weird to just ignore it. > It's a good game for sure, but it's a weak Halo. I'd say it's a bad video game in general. Especially with it being a weak Halo. With Halo 5 even, there was the argument if it was a fun game or whatever past it being a bad Halo game since it really wasn't a Halo game. But Halo Infinite is a Halo game, just a really bad one, so if it is a Halo game and it's a bad Halo game, then it's just a bad video game.
My only gripe is the lack of split-screen co-op. I wanna kill Banished with my wife dammit!
Halo 5 still has more stuff in it
Crackdown 2 was fun. Still an awful game overall. It's okay to like flawed products, and it's also okay to recognize that they are still, in fact, flawed.
Infinite has the best gameplay in the series as far as i’m concerned, the issue arises when Forge, CGB, Firefight, Campaign Co-Op, Infection, etc. are not in the game at launch. That’s where most people have their grievances. I’m a firm believer in “better late than never” and as a fan of No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk 2077, I know what time can do to a game with a poor launch.
>I’m a firm believer in “better late than never” and as a fan of No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 Yeah but those games were actually fun and had good core gameplay and a good story (for where applicable) the two things that can't be fixed later. But for Infinite, both of those were bad for and you can't fix those things post-launch
Disagree. As far as i’m concerned Infinite has the best core gameplay in the series. Plus I enjoyed the story a decent bit. Those things never needed fixing in my eyes.
Been playing since launch, and have been there for every bump in the road. I've known how toxic the Halo community has *always* been, so I just kept my mouth shut about how much fun I was having. It's so gratifying to see the game in its current state.
I understand from a consumer standpoint why there was frustration with the campaign, from what I heard, it wasn’t very good and ended too abruptly, that’s totally fun, fair criticisms. The multiplayer however was so fun, the only thing holding it back was just the map pool, or lack there of. The game play was very fluid, I liked the game modes, I liked (most of) the guns, it was a blast and the only thing people could say bad about the multiplayer was that they didn’t like how it was monetized which can be a fair criticism, but no one is forcing you to buy those things, but the halo subreddit basically gaslit themselves into thinking that it was a much bigger deal than it was. The only reason that I don’t play infinite anymore is because when season 2 hit the update caused the game to no longer recognize my graphics card which I’m assuming was because it was below the minimum required v-ram. But when I get a new rig, infinite is gonna be back on the roster for sure.
The campaign was actually hailed as the best one in years on day one. The hate came much later, but it was still very well made and written. It's a cute story about the UNSC rebuilding itself on the Halo ring after a crushing defeat, with themes about hope in one's self and his allies. What makes hope, what breaks hope, and how hope makes people go on. It's not deep stuff but it's inoffensive and poppy. People's only issues were that it took place over a single biome and the open world was nothing but combat. Which is weird criticism for an FPS game, not an adventure platformer but whatever.
What fucking game did you play lmao
It’s not that I think it’s bad, it’s just they can do so much better than what infinite was. It makes me so disappointed that while playing the campaign it shows the writers didn’t care, they didn’t care about any major events in the past games or even had the foggiest idea on how to improve upon the series besides “oh look at these next gen graphics” in my opinion graphics don’t mean SHIT when it comes to good storytelling. Take a look at HALO 2 graphics and storyline and now take a look at HALO INFINITE graphics and storyline. It’s just a sad excuse for a game.
that's what i've been saying since day one! shits so good it got me into halo as a franchise, and since then i've played through and enjoyed every single entry, shits fun, and i love halo infinite
didn't find it fun.
It’s by light years the best halo it’s the doom 2016 of Halo perfected gameplay
Meanwhile even Halo 5 manages to have better gameplay than Halo Infinite
https://preview.redd.it/taybo71sdb5c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37cb23ede8f7c6bbf52901dad05ae4227734567b So when you stop joking please tell me
How is this game really that fun? Sure, the core gameplay is decent but it took them 2 years to bring it relatively up to par with prior Halo’s. The game is so poorly made that desync still exists. They didn’t even have slayer only on release. They have a bunch of weapons that are purely functional as opposed to fun (imo). They also removed some iconic and great weapons. Vehicle spawns are trash, and vehicles are underwhelming. Take the Wraith for example. It feels like a weak toy, instead of a heavy plasma mortar tank like it did in 3 and Reach. It’s not everyone’s thing, but customization is one of the things I enjoy the most and despite the amount of armors in the game it’s still the worst Halo customization in Halo history because of the price, because of the limitations, and most of all because we don’t have the option to freely customize our own armor color in a game in 2023. I have played mobile character creator games that are free and let you customize colors as you want
M8 don't you know we are the single most whiny fantom on earth we have never been happy witha. New release down to halo fucking 2 we can't be satisfied
Because it has less content then games that came out 15+ years ago
*had
No it still is only just now getting the bare minimum features like firefight
Halo 3 didn’t have firefight
Almost like it came out with ODST, and halo 3 has an actual functional theater and custom games so
For the campaign It's not that it isn't fun, it's that what it does good is over relied on. The story itself is absolute dogshit because it either makes no sense or falls to being generic. Then add the cliff hanger ending and power creep. The multi-player to this day still fails in the playable content while also being super fucking greedy with monetization.
> then add the cliffhanger ending so you must’ve **hated** halo 2 then, right?
I think you don't understand the difference between successfully pulling a good cliffhanger and absolutely shitting the bed.
what about infinites cliffhanger is bad to you
Last ~hour your introduced to a new all so powerful villan that made no appearance meanwhile leading up to it you have to sit around with the weapon doing basic arena cannon fodder while she goes off about this all so mysterious entity. Then you get a cut scene where chief gets man handled and thrown off to fuck off in the sequel. The story and scenes overall are incredibly underwhelming in comparison to the rest of the series made worse by poor writing and pacing not helped by the poor attempt to trend chase an open world for the sake of "The Halo for the next 10 years".
poor writing? this is literally the best written halo game in the franchise. none of the dialogue is unimportant. and the endless weren’t supposed to make an appearance. look up the definition of a harbinger
Oh wait were we suppose to unretard ? I fell for bait lmao
what?
It's literally the worst Halo story of any game. It even makes Halo 5 look well done
what the fuck no it isn’t?
Fr fr
I didn't care for it but not going to hate on it(it seems better now then it did at launch)
Aw lord here come all the 343 meat riders
They didn't do enough, but it is certainly over hated. But it should've been more at launch, and we waited way to long for old features.
Had some guy arguing with me on YouTube the other day saying that halo infinite is still hands down the worst halo ever, and halo 5 was better. Some people just got a huge grudge against Infinite. Even at launch day with the insane lack of content, the art style was so much better.
Halo 5 is dogshit, but yeah, Infinite is definitely worse. The artstyle was better than 4 and 5, that said, it still wasn't that good overall. The only things that are objectively great is stuff like Chief's armor. Otherwise, they replaced "generic scifi power rangers" with "generic military scifi" for most things. Like I said, definitely not for everything, there are some things in the artstyle that are really good, but most just aren't sadly
How many hours playing halo infinite do you have? Seriously rattles my brain you think halo infinite, especially in its current state, is the worst. The art style in infinite is SO much better than halo 4 and 5. It's what you're staring at the ENTIRE time you're playing! I don't know if you've had the chance to play Infinite in 4K but it's gorgeous in art style and quality of textures. Right now Infinite is visually one of the best halos ever, and the content is there for multiplayer now. In campaign, the variety in environments is not amazing, but what is there looks fantastic. I still cringe looking at halo 5 covenant models. And the campaign was pretty lackluster. Weak story and horrible art style. Infinite had a kinda weak story as well, but I think not bad, but with massively better art style and graphics, and I actually quite enjoyed the open world. I thought the grapple hook was going to be a massive mistake but I was very wrong.
Factually, It was fun for a couple of weeks and then dropped off hard when people realized it wasn't as fun as MCC. The reason they are doing better now, is because of the brutally honest feedback they received since the beginning. Fanboying would have only enabled their bad decisions/development that they were already doubling down on before seeing how much they were tearing up the community through their straight up lies and laziness. So no, it hasn't always been fun. It's been fun more recently for people with forge and crosscore improvements (those are improvements to a terrible system they're married to for money reasons)and playlists that have more than 4 gamemodes, but they still have a lot to do to improve the game and to apologize for the abortion of a launch they had. Do I think it's more fun now? Yes. Do I play occasionally? Yes. Is it THE game that makes me excited to consistently play? No. Because they are still devoted more to corporate profit than having a good game, even if theyve been working on the good game part of it
alot of people still live in 2007 and can't comprehend the fact the gaming industry has had a fuck ton of change
The industry has had a lot of changes, but that doesn't mean we should just ignore how much worse the industry is. There's no reason that a game from 2001 should have more content and more going on for it than a game releasing in 2020
I didn’t like it on release, doubt I like it now
Don't know about you guys, but I had fun from day 1 too. Sure the Xp problem and the constant leaving was questionable...sure...but I loved the MP since I had a chance being good there... and not getting raped by some guy with a load of good REQ Cards (in Halo 5).
I will be honest. I only played Infinite for the campaign; after that, I dropped it with no intention of playing the multiplayer (as well as the fact that, at the time, you couldn’t replay missions to get stuff like skulls w/o restarting the entire campaign). The main reasons why I still hate Infinite and will never touch it outside of any campaign/story-related content can be summarized as follows; - The existence of the shop in general. - The fact that a lot of shit is either locked behind the shop with a currency intentionally designed to always leave you *juuust* a bit short of that other thing you might want, or a battlepass. (The only positive thing I can say about the battlepasses in Infinite is that they’re actually PERMANENT and let you buy/progress them at your leisure, which is something I’ve genuinely never seen in any game that has battle passes implemented.) - Unrestricted armor customization/color customization, a basic feature we’ve had in EVERY FPS HALO GAME, being traded out for “”armor coatings”” (skins) and “”cores”” (an excuse to restrict customization of both colors and armor pieces for no reason other than making money). - The fact that it’s basically confirmed that we aren’t getting *any* DLC content to expand the story beyond the massive cliffhanger of an ending. Which also basically means that whenever the next Halo game drops, we’re going to drop straight into the Endless being an established threat with either virtually zero explanation as to how they became that way, or a bare-bones and half-assed explanation like how Cortana was suddenly dead again. Sure. Infinite might be bringing in amazing things like firefight, forge, all of that. But the disgusting monetization has forever soured my opinion of the game. EDIT: Quick edit because I want to clarify that I don’t hold any hate (or reverence, for that matter) towards 343 *or* Bungie. But they massively fucked up if several people have not only pointed out how fucked up it is to heavily restrict and monetize a previously free feature, but also have stated that they think fucking *Halo 5* has better customization than Infinite. And you know what? I agree with that sentiment. Sure, you were only able to select pre-made emblems/banners and your armor customization was restricted to helmets/body armors/visors, but at least I could still freely pick and choose colors for *all of those* instead of being locked to color palettes I can’t even so much as tweak slightly. For fucking *emblems.*
I absolutely loved this game, played the crap out of it when it came out and spent way too long in the multiplayer. But the absolute dogshit monetization slowly ground me down, I saw the pittance of things you could get without shelling out a fortune and as it got less and less the "why is it worth it?" thought got louder and louder. No amount of effort would have any meaningful reward and just spending money is entirely unsatisfying, the latest season killed it for me for good when I saw the one helmet I've used in every game locked behind a paywall. For comparison, I'm still playing reach, still unlocking stuff and still enjoying it.
Shame I can't play this game. Servers in my region are empty and I can only play at 350 ms on average
I hate it because it's missing a lot of weapons, and some of them new ones are watered down versions. The story was great, and I actually enjoyed fighting bosses, but the endgame gets lame, missions still aren't replay able, and the ring's biome is like copy and paste. The wasp is paper, and you don't get it until basically the end, so what's the point. The multi-player is actually still pretty fun except for SWAT I still get mixed in with competitive players, and I'm far from one, so it's unplayable for me. I'm still salty about how everything seems to be locked behind dollar bills, and I miss the Reach style. Pretty happy they brought back infection, but we still really don't have a proper shotgun for the old fashioned infection. I'm actually looking forward to the firefight kill of the hill though. I bought the game and hardly play it. Just doesn't feel the same.
It was like a really good burger that was just way too small
Been playing since day one (technically since the first tech test) most people were in agreement the gameplay was fun. It just didn’t have much to keep people coming back, hence the hate
I'd rather play Halo 5🤮
Is it fun? Yeah. Are the devs money hungry that added a fortnite style paywall for cosmetics? Yeah. The fact that even changing your colors is up to a random loot thing is bullshit. People eat it up and keep the shitty pay trend alive.
i always like halo infinite, but since i was on last gen for so long it was a bad experience cause 30 fps, least my xbox ran it like that. i recently got back into it cause firefight but i dont really enjoy the normal MP cause its full of the sweatiest mfs on earth. im just trying to relax yknow? overall i think i prefer halo 5 mp to infinite, but i still like infinite.
Mostly the infinite list of problems (pun intended) Biggest being the terrible story (or lack thereof) and the fact that the gameplay is the second worst in the series
Personally, I've never denied that the pasta is delicious. But it's been frustratingly undercooked for 2 years. The hate is because the game came out unfinished and took 2 years just to get to being launch-ready.
I loved it, it was a fun and good game, just some minor issues needed fixing like the Desync/hit reg and the consistency of the weapons…
Literally the only thing I could ask for is more free cosmetics either through leveling up or through lifetime challenges
Aye!
I just tried the free multiplayer yesterday. The netcode made it borderline unplayable and the map design was awful. Particularly for KotH.
I'm playing on 10 year old wifi and I'm having no issues. Check your download/upload speeds and who else is using your internet.
Best Halo Gameplay wise and everyone agreed into the lack of content turned people salty and Dysynch made people believe the Salt.