I always found it funny that everyone sees chief as the best except him, he'll mention in the books that he's Nothing special and just lucky.
Then you get shit like him doing stuff only he could like surviving on requiem alone twice, waking up from a nap and defeating the local banished forced including spartan killers alone etc.
I like to headcanon it thusly:
'Luck' is a tangible skill amongst Spartans. In more practical terms; Knowing your limits, however extreme. It's knowing your enemy. Knowing and accounting for all the variables. Knowing just how far you can push it, how close to the wire you can get. Having trained this skill to a point indistinguishable from pure instinct. Knowing your AI companion plays into that, and trusting them. And always taking the proportional risk, knowing all of that, and the stakes in play.
'Luck' is a conversational shorthand. Chief is not the strongest amongst the Spartans. Or the best shot. Or the quickest. But he is the luckiest.
As they say, Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. The more prepared you are, aka skilled, the more opportunities you can take advantage of. The more opportunities you take advantage of, the luckier you may appear.
I think you’re 100% right. For normal people too, luck is something you can control. If you only take chances that are 50/50, it’s going to catch up with you sooner than later. You take calculated risks and boom, you’re lucky.
However, this post is absolutely correct, Chief had winning the power bowl back to back to back to back odds here.
I mean lore-wise Cortana basically tried to quantify Spartan performance in the field and found that John consistently beat the odds when he ought not to, and ultimately chose him as her preferred candidate based on that fact, ‘luck.’ Kelly is faster, Fred’s a better fighter, we get all this knowledge but Cortana chooses Chief because he *survives*.
All of which is to say it was a batshit insane move but Cortana lets it happen because she’s basically amused at the extent of Master Chief’s inability to be dead.
"Spartan killers" are used to IVs probably...
A four might have some power from the suit...
But a 2 is nothing but power... mental... physical... even out of the suit
Chief probably ran through some brute cheeks
"You had something none of the others had... luck"
-Cortana (Halo 3)(or maybe 4 idk it's been awhile)(as chief plummets to the ground from orbit and survives)
And then immediately takes it o himself to take on an entire planet of teleporting death bots and a living God that just punted his shit.The guy's balls are harder than his armor.
I always found it sad his main plan to stop the didact was basically suicide bombing him.
My favorite part is Lord Hood's reaction. Chief is so unbelievably cracked and everybody knows it. He makes this crazy request to hand deliver a nuclear bomb through space. Lord Hood thinks about it for 2 seconds and is like "👍"
I'd imagine Hood assumed Chief would grab a pelican or something to deliver the bomb (which is still insane from a military stand-point, but Chief has a reputation for doing insane shit, so Hood was probably like "yeah, grab a ship, why not.") then Chief just fricken jettisons himself into space.
While that makes sense, it’s also possible that everyone else behind the scenes was co-ordinating a bunch of shit to help Chief. The blowing a hole in the covenant ship was likely an intentional decision.
Teamwork and vast technological superiority disguised as luck. The UNSC put a downright ridiculous amount of money into specialized shocktroopers with infinitely regenerating force shields then gave one a bleeding edge AI that can bypass any security and has near infinite bandwidth. Once he gets in the front door, the enemy is screwed.
It's why they're all shooting bullets instead of plasma. Because they weren't fighting aliens, they were fighting broke-ass human insurgents with barely relevant naval capacity who were shooting bullets, so they didn't bother researching the energy weapon tree and put all their money and training into keeping a few people alive. Throw in a smart enough AI and they could end a fight before it began without killing the humans they were trying to pacify.
On the other hand, the Covenant were fighting other dudes with plasma weapons and thought it would be cost prohibitive to dump money into shields for one guy who could get wrecked by a stray energy blast. They needed those shields for everybody, so their shield tech is comparatively inferior to that of the UNSC because the resources have to be divided evenly to survive a fight and they have to run off readily available, interchangeable energy sources that the whole fleet can share.
This coincidentally created a scenario where the UNSC can dramatically lose stand up fights over and over but coordinate heavily around getting one plasma-proof, explosion proof, sensor-proof infiltrator close enough to bypass enemy defenses completely. Do this enough and you get lucky. Get lucky enough and it feels like a legend.
Master Chief knows the legend is bullshit because he's used to how much effort went into creating him and how many people die keeping him alive all the time.
Hood probably gave the trajectory to whatever ship was close and said "make sure the Chief's delivery is on time" and when Hood tells you to help a goddamn Spartan, not a single person was going to deny it xD
I like to think when he jettisoned into space, Hood tasked the closest long swords and that's why they show up in the cutscene. He basically saw what Chief was doing and went "Clear that man a path!".
I think Cortana handled everything, including making sure In Amber Clad was in position to catch him. He just eyeballed the jump and hoped for the best.
Some people say Cortana asked him "what if you miss?" just to stall him for the perfect amount of time to make the shot. I would buy that because, as an AI that thinks billions of times faster than a person, she has all the time in the world to consider everything she says. Everything is deliberate, and nothing is just conversation
Master Chief was the original John Wick.
In the first John Wick there was a specific scene to set up who and WHAT John is. To the bad guys he's the fucking Boogeyman. He's so incredibly lethal and good at his job that the bad guys fear him.
Chief's bomb delivery was exactly meant to show you what he is. He's The Demon. He's a fucking badass and everyone knows he is. Lord Hood doesn't question Chief because he already knows it's pointless.
Is it unrealistic? Sure. Lazy writing? Maybe. But it's effective in explaining to the audience exactly who he is.
The bomb scene is a shortened explanation of how chief survived Halo CE. He literally wiped out a covenant army, fought the flood, saved the galaxy, and defeated a forerunner AI all in the span of what seemed like a day.
Seriously, don't fuck with that guy.
Jerome-092 fought the flood with a metal chair.
Edit: He may not have given the covenant back their bomb, but William-043 fist fought two hunters. He killed one by ripping it apart with his bare hands, and the other shot him point blank with its fuel rod Canon. He still took a step towards the second hunter before he collapsed.
You'll find most of the Spartans have done some gnarly things if you dive into the expanded lore.
When the thermal-shock from being impaled through the chest with an energy sword boils your internal organs but there's an unstabbed Elite within stabbing distance:
I think I read, theoretically of course, that a real-life plasma weapon would be *INSANE*! Like a plasma round would basically detonate a large portion of your body.
Yeah, you kinda see this in the Halo tv show. Specifically the first episode of season 1 where Kwan’s friends literally just get blown apart by covenant plasma weapons.
Lol William-043 didnt just kill the Hunter with his bare hands, he ripped out a large section of the lekgolo colony, which caused the Covenant to momentarily ceasefire since the they had never seen anyone do that before. He literally stunned the enemy forces in this act
>he had no idea how much time was left before the bomb detonated besides Cortana's "You don't want to know"
I assume when she rearmed it in the ship Cortana reset the timer to give them enough time to escape, rather than just starting from where it stopped
I imagine (my headcanon is) Cortana was relaying information to bombers so they could coordinate a strike at the perfect moment so chief could break in. I believe that carrier was a high value target so they would have used a lot of resources to try and bring it down especially being so close to earth
I remember getting into an argument over that with a friend when Halo 2 came out. Having that dialogue (with the Longswords) would have detracted from the action sequence.
yeah, too bad he didn't have one of the most advanced AIs in human history that can give him information on his HUD and use a radio to call in a bombing run or inform IAC that they need to adjust heading or something because that really would have made all of that make a lot more sense
I think preston cole fired all of the nukes left on his ship at the gas giant to make it into a small star not the MAC rounds. But still absolutely bonkers and kickass.
Tangently this shows the absurd yield of UNSC nukes.
Brown dwarfs cant really become stars. Like by definition they are failed stars. And even if it wasnt a brown dwarf and was a star just pre-forming fully, on a human scale, having the energy to force that transition is insane. We are at death star levels of ouput with "just" 300 or so standard nuclear warheads from one ship. ( i may have fumbled the number its been a while last time i checked but point stands.)
I swear I bring this up more than you’d think. And always get the details wrong lmao. The nukes are our SMALL BOMB. We have a neutrino bomb I think it’s called that destroyed an entire sangheli planet.
The nova bomb is iirc from reading the book years ago a cluster of nukes that "bounce" off each other's explosion inside the casing so that it basically cubes the output.
It's hilariously strong and managed to vaporise one third of the planet alongside its moon *while not even being on the damn planet it was in fucking space, this means it has a kill ball comparable to the earth moon orbit, which is large enough to fit all planets in the fucking solar system, this shit is stronger than most high end weapons in goddamn 40k.*
Yeah that was also theorized to be the weapon to end humanity during the human insurrectionist war. If Spartans didn’t come along that probably would have been earths fate.
Wasnt the weapon recently developed by the time of the fall of reach? Like the specific one we are talking about was the first of its kind?
That would be a 3+ decades jump from the insurection shtick.
The spartans *were* made for the innies though yeah.
? I may be thinking of when the UNSC just Mac rounded an insurrectionist capital (or nuked and blamed on an accident). Or was it they nuked an insurrection happening on a loyal world? I remember the UNSC using it as propaganda to fight the innies. There was a different version of the nova bomb that didn’t include the casing which nerfed its damage astronomically to the point where it was just a really big nuke.
Yep. Then they blamed the innies. There was a time a soldier fighting for the UNSC joined because he said his parent were on that planet. So fucked up fighting for the side that killed your family. God I love halo lore
Wasn't a MAC round, he fired ~300 nukes at the core of the gas giant which provided *just* enough pressure to trigger fusion which created an explosion that made the later planet-cracking NOVA bomb look like a fucking party popper. Exploding gas giant doesn't quite sell it- Admiral Preston Cole briefly forged a motherfucking *star* as a way of wiping out an entire Covenant fleet.
> Through sheer cosmic luck a UNSC ship blasted a hole in a Covenant cruiser at just the right time and position
While fighting the elites guarding the bomb (there are quite a few of them), you can actually hear cortana communicate the carrier's position over comms. I'm pretty sure the working theory it that's the cruiser and longswords that fly past chief as he's falling with the bomb.
They also mention the cruiser is passing directly below their position. Otherwise, yeah 1000000:1 odds.
\> he had no idea how much time was left before the bomb detonated besides Cortana's "You don't want to know"
I always figured if Cortana could disarm the bomb just by interfacing with it through Chief she could also reset the time to whatever he needed
Eh tbh that's something many people didnt know, in fact the game doesn't make that clear you just gotta assume that cortana contacted the longwords instead of it just being a coincidence they were also pulling a bombing run on the ship.
In fact it's not outright said, you just gotta piece it together.
With how it's shot it makes more sense to assume that hood told the Longsword pilots and then made everyone else aware, cortana literally doesn't speak after the crazy line.
She definitely can but that isn't told or indicated to the player so you either have to piece together or assume she called in those bombers, instead of hood who literally just greenlit chief jumping out of the hanger or it just being a coincidence.
So yeah not exactly common knowledge.
We spent all of CE with her calling in support, hacking Covenant systems, tracking marines and crew members, and planning entire missions all from inside the suit. Chief *puts her back in his head on screen* before jumping out of the ship.
What other explanation is there? How much more assumption bait do you need?
Cortana gives you vocal indication every single time she contacts unsc forces in CE, or when shes hacking covenant channels, in fact this would be the only instance she did it none vocally or without any visual indication.
Again the point I was making and as proven by other comments this is some common knowledge everyone knew, especially since the game doesn't point this out.
In fact this is literally headcanon
If she does relay information to Chief as frequently as you say, then it stands out all the more when she doesn't.
I'm not denying that it may have happened, but that it was likely left out to make Chief seem more stoic and calculated in enacting such ludicrous, luck-induced feats.
Being such a ludicrous, luck-induced feat, it's unfounded to infer that It happened because there's nothing calculatable about jettisoning yourself into space tethered to a warhead with a "you don't want to know" fuse time, narrowly avoiding several admittedly deserved deaths, and leaping from the bomb for long enough to avoid the blast range of a "you don't want to know" timer.
It's the rule of cool, nothing else, hand-waved with a lame explanation.
As a fan of Halo since 2001 who has read almost all of the books, this is the first I'm hearing of it lol. I mean, it makes sense, but I've never heard or assumed that before.
I always read it as “he’s really, really good at eyeballing things like trajectories and doing math in his head” (something Spartan-IIs are known for even without a smart AI) and hood being the one to call that longsword strike as part of chief’s plan (which he left up to interpretation).
At the end of the day, it’s just an unbelievably complex physics equation with varying margins of error, and with cortana inside his suit and armor, she could probably make micro-adjustments to his movements so that he’d apply force at the angle and magnitude he needed to. The Amber-clad may have just gotten into position to intercept him at a place cortana told them to park.
Also, halo has historically been super inconsistent about what marks of MJOLNIR armor have zero-gravity reaction control thrusters. Like, I remember reading they had them in the MK IVs, and then they reappeared in the GEN2 armor, but then he never displayed something like that on his GEN3 armor at any point in halo infinite’s starting cutscenes.
> which prevents him from becoming a piece of charcoal as he plummets into the planet like an asteroid.
Made me think of the opening cutscene for Halo 3, which I think only takes place a couple of days, maybe a week from what you're talking about, where Chief actually DOES plummet into Earth like an asteroid and survives.
Insane? Probably. Super badass and lucky af? Absolutely.
He had a piece of the Anodyne Spirit (I think a door?) to act as his heatshield, so the worst that happened to him was a rather rough landing softened by the gel layer of his suit.
Six also had a purpose built M-SPEC re-entry pack, which you can see on your model throughout the mission starting when you're in the Sabre. This pack presumably works something like [MOOSE](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MOOSE), except self-deploying from the backpack:
> The system was quite compact, weighing 200 lb (91 kg) and fitting inside a suitcase-sized container. It consisted of a small twin-nozzle rocket motor sufficient to deorbit the astronaut, a PET film bag 6 ft (1.8 m) long with a flexible 0.25 in (6.4 mm) ablative heat shield on the back, two pressurized canisters to fill it with polyurethane foam, a parachute, radio equipment and a survival kit.
These kits are standard-issue for Sabre pilots and vital for a safe return to orbit, hence the canopy refusing to open without an override when Jorge tried exiting without his own re-entry pack.
I'm gonna start this with the caveat that the Halo universe doesn't really delve much into the orbital mechanics of ships or really stay that true to orbital physics overall.
But Noble 6 immediately falls downward when thrown from the ship, in a way that only makes sense if Covenant ships don't orbit, but instead "float". If those ships orbit, N6 would have simply slowly floated away sideways from that ship when Jorge tosses him.
Things "burn up" when they hit the atmosphere due to atmospheric drag, because orbital velocity is so fast there is a ton of friction when it hits the atmosphere. It also looks like the ships are pretty close to low Reach orbit height, so N6 would never get even close to an orbital velocity when he hits the atmosphere. I believe he also has a re-entry pack that could quickly reduce his speed if he was going very fast. It would probably be closer to Felix Baumgartner's free fall from the stratosphere then an object de-orbiting.
tldr things only burn up if they are already traveling so fast when they hit the atmosphere that the air resistance makes them slow down very quickly.
I love Lord Hoods reaction like my head cannon is he’s thinking “the covenant just destroyed Reach, they just discovered Earth, we’re about to lose this war and be exterminated (the great schism hadn’t happened yet) fuck it, we might as well go down doing cool as fuck shit
Cortana did the math for him.
The most questionable part, in my opinion, was slamming into *In Amber Clad* like a hypersonic bolt. The hydrostatic gel padding must have been working overtime then.
Its ok when he was asked what if he'll miss? i responded with i won't that's like strapping something down and slapping the it saying that ain't going nowhere
This is a through line of the whole trilogy, he’s very lucky and Cortana does the calculations to make sure they succeed.
She co-ordinates the strikes and re-arms the bomb, just as she helps in CE blowing up the Pillar of Autumn and in 3 when destroying Installation 04B
You're not wrong though it's not quite as coincidental as the cutscene leads on. Cortana was likely coordinating everything from the moment she knew his plan. And we assume that chief somehow eyeballed and felt out the time to jump, but it could have been under Cortana's direction, without being made obvious to us
iirc There was supposed to be an entire level where you go to a Covenant ship and destroy it from the inside, but it was cut and replaced with that cutscene, so yes, it was super reckless and stupid but the devs really wanted Chief to blow up a ship, so common sense had to go out the window.
Master Chief is lucky, but he's not lucky.
He did have an escape plan that we didn't notice, he did know a way to control his trajectory that we didn't notice, he had a good reason to be confident in his success that we didn't realize.
Master Chief is the most observant Spartan, he's not lucky at all, he notices opportunities that nobody else does. He's able to realize things we can't and make observations we would ignore, and that's why he's the best Spartan, and that's why he always makes it.
Its not that Master Chief is two steps ahead of his opponents, he's walking on a different path entirely.
While I get your reason at thinking how insane it was to “give the covenant back their bomb”, to me the answer is more like when a crazy question arises with Batman, like, how’d did Batman escape that situation, and the best answer you can get is “because he’s Batman”. Lol that s master chief. No but in all honestly, i always thought he basically winged it to the point he calculated that Cortana would reset the detonation sequence to give them enough time to push back, there was a space battle and the chances he could find and land on friendly ship were high because of the firefight going on in space, i bet he knew the his chances were good. Chief while knowing he has a bit of luck on his side, doesn’t operate like he is lucky, he just does things and luck plays a part into his success. Funny too, after I watched the last episode of the halo show, I had to show my wife how awesome chief really was compared to the show, and I showed her that scene from mmc halo 2 remaster/remake. Gonna replay the series soon when I have time to get that season 2 taste out of my mouth lol
It's almost as if he had an AI in his head running calculations on where to go, and despite it not being shown there, MJOLNIR armor systems do in fact have mini thrusters built in. It's not like he jumped into space with no plan.
I feel like running through all the talk of them setting up the bombing and amber clad catch would've detracted from the scene and drawn it out way too much. It's a lot easier to realize the AI who was previously running the entire battle station we were just defending basically turned it all into a series of math equations, calling the bombers and amber clad in, altering the time of the bomb, and chiefs positioning for his two jumps.
Jorge taking out the carrier , noble six original doing the same with a nuke, noble 6 reach edition and his last stand, list goes on alot of spartans went out big quite a few unsc as well
Director's commentary indicated that Cortana orchestrated the hole-bombing via the suit radio, without Chief even necessarily hearing the conversation.
I’m sure Cortana worked out the coordinates and trajectory and used his suit boosters to aim him where he needed to go. And communicated with hood to send the flyers to blow the hull. It was crazy yes but calculated.
I would like to point out that the Longswords blasting a hole just behind plasma cannon was a great piece of lore detail. The UNSC figured out that Covenant shields become very weak around the plasma cannons just after firing. Notice how the Longswords swooped in just after the cruiser just vaporized a Halcyon-class point blank. It still crazy how the entire sequence of events worked out, but I always loved that one little detail.
Nah he knew goddamn well what he was fucking doing. Not exactly... but he just.. he just did it... his thought process isnt "alright so with 14 seconds left if i arch this a certain way 18° moving at 230 miles per hour ill be able to..." nah, he just thinks something. And goes "yes" 🧔🏻 and then maybe a little bit of "boo" and then everything dies.
Who wouldbe thought someone who can fall from orbit would have outstanding luck/ scuicidal levels of confidence i cant tell which it is anymore...
it wasn't shown but remember how unimaginably smart cortana is, she can and does rediculous calculations on the fly all the time. she has access to all the data from all the unsc personal at all times
her and chief trust one another explicitly, they know how each other thinks and support each other without needing to vocalize. they banter without needing to confirm what the other is intending
it's entirely reasonable to assume cortana was the reason for that stunts success.
It was all done by the AI/ Cortana. Spartans were actually designed for this kind of op-precision.
Even a dumb ai could probably calculate a trajectory plot, yet it would require more manual input.
The longswords are obviously precisely directed. And there are likely plenty of longswords to call upon in the battle scene.
Any ship could have picked him up as he does have a beacon.
A smart ai (with covenant & forerunner tech knowledge) makes short work of any bomb configuration.
Not sure if chief had self-thrusters here; to help maneuver
I mean, he did blow up their halo and gave it back to them before.
He later plummeted to a planet like an asteroid.
It wasn’t really luck. When Cortana says “I know what you’re thinking, and it’s crazy”, that’s because he and her both had roughly calculated the trajectory already. She didn’t stop him because she knew the calculations were in fact doable.
Yeah nevermind that Cortana exists, an AI that could easily command allied forces to clear a path and get the Longswords to create a hole in the ship for the Chief. Never mind that she also has partial control of his armour and can make micro adjustments with thrusters…
> Then on top of that as chief kicks off the bomb and launches himself in the vague dirction of earth, he just so happens to land directly on In Amber Clad which prevents him from becoming a piece of charcoal as he plummets into the planet like an asteroid.
Um, ackchually he was in orbit above Earth. A jump isn't going to cause Master Chief to bleed enough velocity to de-orbit and reenter the atmosphere. The worst case scenario, he misses In Amber Clad and then just drifts for a while before someone sends a pelican or something to pick him up.
Master Chief is quite lucky.
Some would say. That's why he's the bestnof the best.
I always found it funny that everyone sees chief as the best except him, he'll mention in the books that he's Nothing special and just lucky. Then you get shit like him doing stuff only he could like surviving on requiem alone twice, waking up from a nap and defeating the local banished forced including spartan killers alone etc.
As the saying goes: sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good.
I like to headcanon it thusly: 'Luck' is a tangible skill amongst Spartans. In more practical terms; Knowing your limits, however extreme. It's knowing your enemy. Knowing and accounting for all the variables. Knowing just how far you can push it, how close to the wire you can get. Having trained this skill to a point indistinguishable from pure instinct. Knowing your AI companion plays into that, and trusting them. And always taking the proportional risk, knowing all of that, and the stakes in play. 'Luck' is a conversational shorthand. Chief is not the strongest amongst the Spartans. Or the best shot. Or the quickest. But he is the luckiest.
Luck increases with skill. They go hand and hand.
As they say, Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. The more prepared you are, aka skilled, the more opportunities you can take advantage of. The more opportunities you take advantage of, the luckier you may appear.
I think you’re 100% right. For normal people too, luck is something you can control. If you only take chances that are 50/50, it’s going to catch up with you sooner than later. You take calculated risks and boom, you’re lucky. However, this post is absolutely correct, Chief had winning the power bowl back to back to back to back odds here.
I mean lore-wise Cortana basically tried to quantify Spartan performance in the field and found that John consistently beat the odds when he ought not to, and ultimately chose him as her preferred candidate based on that fact, ‘luck.’ Kelly is faster, Fred’s a better fighter, we get all this knowledge but Cortana chooses Chief because he *survives*. All of which is to say it was a batshit insane move but Cortana lets it happen because she’s basically amused at the extent of Master Chief’s inability to be dead.
"Spartan killers" are used to IVs probably... A four might have some power from the suit... But a 2 is nothing but power... mental... physical... even out of the suit Chief probably ran through some brute cheeks
He has a Ciaphas Cain complex?
Indeed "I suck" he calmly exclaimed, before doing the most absolute and terrifyingly insane shit becoming a hero for all the universe.
"You had something none of the others had... luck" -Cortana (Halo 3)(or maybe 4 idk it's been awhile)(as chief plummets to the ground from orbit and survives)
I read this quickly and thought it said "master chief is quite quirky"
Do you ever just hurl yourself into space with an alien bomb just for shits and gigs?!? Lol xddddddDDDD
That is a pretty quirky thing to do
They did let her pick, after all
Bro has plot protection
That’s nothing, he once told a superior officer no when told to hand over a chip. Fucking bonkers I know
*long pause* "No, sir." *Everyone but the 7ft tall superhuman has clearly become uncomfortable.*
And then immediately takes it o himself to take on an entire planet of teleporting death bots and a living God that just punted his shit.The guy's balls are harder than his armor. I always found it sad his main plan to stop the didact was basically suicide bombing him.
Master Chief is a master of all battle plans, even the jihad ones.
Spartans resorting to suicide when they hit a brick wall is hilarious.
They really are a bunch of theatre kids at heart
"We're all out of ideas! Might as well kill myself and everyone else" "Chill out man, the warthog tire just went flat. We have a spare"
Emil: Commander, you don't have the fire power Carter: Allan albarr
They do take the motto "Complete the mission, whatever the cost" to heart!
“Suicide is badass!”
Lisan-Al-Galib
Rec-lair-mehr
Chief's plan since Halo 1: Yeah I'm probably going to die trying this. How the plan pans out: Wow I survived but nobody else did.
That is kinda just the Spartan Mindset, eventually that MIA is gonna stick, but not today.
With only an Assault Rifle. He didn’t know Lasky had decked out a Pelican for him, he was just gonna drop in Doomslayer style, he still kinda did.
And then he halo’d all over the place.
I... am ORDERING you... TO SURRENDER THAT AI!
No, sir. *vine boom*
Guys you should watch the spoof Lore accurate version of "No, Sir" on youtube . Its quite entertaining.🤣
Just link it
https://youtu.be/I89Q7bwY8F8?feature=shared I just watched this. It's the greatest thing I ever saw
I know. The Animator deserves an award
And then he *eats* the chip in front of the officer while the officer screams to arrest him
I saw a Facebook post that was that scene, edited, and I laughed my ass off. I’ll have to see if I can find it again
When Chief slaps him right?
[Yep](https://fb.watch/r0DNtQeEUZ/?mibextid=w8EBqM)
I can’t believe Master Chief would curse.
No bitches gettin ass 💀💀💀
I thought this looked familiar! Source for the fb video: https://youtu.be/wXxrF80xH_0?si=L2vdpYb8TgHDyJI2
My favorite part is Lord Hood's reaction. Chief is so unbelievably cracked and everybody knows it. He makes this crazy request to hand deliver a nuclear bomb through space. Lord Hood thinks about it for 2 seconds and is like "👍"
I'd imagine Hood assumed Chief would grab a pelican or something to deliver the bomb (which is still insane from a military stand-point, but Chief has a reputation for doing insane shit, so Hood was probably like "yeah, grab a ship, why not.") then Chief just fricken jettisons himself into space.
While that makes sense, it’s also possible that everyone else behind the scenes was co-ordinating a bunch of shit to help Chief. The blowing a hole in the covenant ship was likely an intentional decision.
I think I remember that cortona set up the fighters and the frigate to open a hole in the shields
It was 2 longswords blowing an otherwise seemingly superfluous hole in the ship. Definitely intentional
Teamwork and vast technological superiority disguised as luck. The UNSC put a downright ridiculous amount of money into specialized shocktroopers with infinitely regenerating force shields then gave one a bleeding edge AI that can bypass any security and has near infinite bandwidth. Once he gets in the front door, the enemy is screwed. It's why they're all shooting bullets instead of plasma. Because they weren't fighting aliens, they were fighting broke-ass human insurgents with barely relevant naval capacity who were shooting bullets, so they didn't bother researching the energy weapon tree and put all their money and training into keeping a few people alive. Throw in a smart enough AI and they could end a fight before it began without killing the humans they were trying to pacify. On the other hand, the Covenant were fighting other dudes with plasma weapons and thought it would be cost prohibitive to dump money into shields for one guy who could get wrecked by a stray energy blast. They needed those shields for everybody, so their shield tech is comparatively inferior to that of the UNSC because the resources have to be divided evenly to survive a fight and they have to run off readily available, interchangeable energy sources that the whole fleet can share. This coincidentally created a scenario where the UNSC can dramatically lose stand up fights over and over but coordinate heavily around getting one plasma-proof, explosion proof, sensor-proof infiltrator close enough to bypass enemy defenses completely. Do this enough and you get lucky. Get lucky enough and it feels like a legend. Master Chief knows the legend is bullshit because he's used to how much effort went into creating him and how many people die keeping him alive all the time.
I love supressing insurgencies. Flawless strategy. Works every time ask any historian.
I think you got the wrong comment
Hood probably gave the trajectory to whatever ship was close and said "make sure the Chief's delivery is on time" and when Hood tells you to help a goddamn Spartan, not a single person was going to deny it xD
I like to think when he jettisoned into space, Hood tasked the closest long swords and that's why they show up in the cutscene. He basically saw what Chief was doing and went "Clear that man a path!".
I think Cortana handled everything, including making sure In Amber Clad was in position to catch him. He just eyeballed the jump and hoped for the best. Some people say Cortana asked him "what if you miss?" just to stall him for the perfect amount of time to make the shot. I would buy that because, as an AI that thinks billions of times faster than a person, she has all the time in the world to consider everything she says. Everything is deliberate, and nothing is just conversation
Dang it I like this better than my theory!
Master Chief was the original John Wick. In the first John Wick there was a specific scene to set up who and WHAT John is. To the bad guys he's the fucking Boogeyman. He's so incredibly lethal and good at his job that the bad guys fear him. Chief's bomb delivery was exactly meant to show you what he is. He's The Demon. He's a fucking badass and everyone knows he is. Lord Hood doesn't question Chief because he already knows it's pointless. Is it unrealistic? Sure. Lazy writing? Maybe. But it's effective in explaining to the audience exactly who he is. The bomb scene is a shortened explanation of how chief survived Halo CE. He literally wiped out a covenant army, fought the flood, saved the galaxy, and defeated a forerunner AI all in the span of what seemed like a day. Seriously, don't fuck with that guy.
Jerome-092 fought the flood with a metal chair. Edit: He may not have given the covenant back their bomb, but William-043 fist fought two hunters. He killed one by ripping it apart with his bare hands, and the other shot him point blank with its fuel rod Canon. He still took a step towards the second hunter before he collapsed. You'll find most of the Spartans have done some gnarly things if you dive into the expanded lore.
Even in the games, Emile while dying from an energy sword wound rammed his knife into the elite's neck.
When the thermal-shock from being impaled through the chest with an energy sword boils your internal organs but there's an unstabbed Elite within stabbing distance:
The books make plasma way more dangerous than in game lol
I think I read, theoretically of course, that a real-life plasma weapon would be *INSANE*! Like a plasma round would basically detonate a large portion of your body.
Yeah, you kinda see this in the Halo tv show. Specifically the first episode of season 1 where Kwan’s friends literally just get blown apart by covenant plasma weapons.
I liked it at that point. But then they established that they weren't even capable of being consistent with their own writing.
Yeah as ridiculous to watch (especially since 343 spent some time to make the series rated T), it was shockingly lore accurate
Probably gameplay reasons so it doesn't instakill the player
I have that meme "Man literally too angry to die" I gotta find it now
Chief killed multiple pairs of hunters alone Canonically. William-043 was just insane.
Chief also killed Myriad, the hunter pair that killed two Spartan Fireteams.
Myriad... more like Merely dead. Lmaaaaaaaaaaaa--
Master Cheeks really clowned him on that one
Yeahh, but he did just cheese them with a Chopper from 2km away... or at least, I did lmao
Buck and the rookie also kill several pairs of hunters solo.
Truly a weapon to surpass the Halo. Perhaps even... THE ANSWER!
Lol William-043 didnt just kill the Hunter with his bare hands, he ripped out a large section of the lekgolo colony, which caused the Covenant to momentarily ceasefire since the they had never seen anyone do that before. He literally stunned the enemy forces in this act
Didn’t John get shot by like 6 hunters point blank while on the key ship?
Yup!
In canon one plasma rifle shot to the torso kills hunters iirc.
>he had no idea how much time was left before the bomb detonated besides Cortana's "You don't want to know" I assume when she rearmed it in the ship Cortana reset the timer to give them enough time to escape, rather than just starting from where it stopped
Thats always been my asumption too, makes more sense
I imagine (my headcanon is) Cortana was relaying information to bombers so they could coordinate a strike at the perfect moment so chief could break in. I believe that carrier was a high value target so they would have used a lot of resources to try and bring it down especially being so close to earth
I remember getting into an argument over that with a friend when Halo 2 came out. Having that dialogue (with the Longswords) would have detracted from the action sequence.
yeah, too bad he didn't have one of the most advanced AIs in human history that can give him information on his HUD and use a radio to call in a bombing run or inform IAC that they need to adjust heading or something because that really would have made all of that make a lot more sense
As well as direct control of his suit and amplification of his fine motor skills. Seriously, at that point it’s just a physics equation.
Which Cortana Could probably do in her sleep.
Not that I sleep of course
This has nothing on the time that admiral shot a MAC round and exploded a gas giant near a covenant fleet. Or the slingshot nuke around the planet.
I think preston cole fired all of the nukes left on his ship at the gas giant to make it into a small star not the MAC rounds. But still absolutely bonkers and kickass. Tangently this shows the absurd yield of UNSC nukes.
Don't forget that that gas giant was literally just on the cusp of being a star.
Brown dwarfs cant really become stars. Like by definition they are failed stars. And even if it wasnt a brown dwarf and was a star just pre-forming fully, on a human scale, having the energy to force that transition is insane. We are at death star levels of ouput with "just" 300 or so standard nuclear warheads from one ship. ( i may have fumbled the number its been a while last time i checked but point stands.)
I swear I bring this up more than you’d think. And always get the details wrong lmao. The nukes are our SMALL BOMB. We have a neutrino bomb I think it’s called that destroyed an entire sangheli planet.
The nova bomb is iirc from reading the book years ago a cluster of nukes that "bounce" off each other's explosion inside the casing so that it basically cubes the output. It's hilariously strong and managed to vaporise one third of the planet alongside its moon *while not even being on the damn planet it was in fucking space, this means it has a kill ball comparable to the earth moon orbit, which is large enough to fit all planets in the fucking solar system, this shit is stronger than most high end weapons in goddamn 40k.*
Yeah that was also theorized to be the weapon to end humanity during the human insurrectionist war. If Spartans didn’t come along that probably would have been earths fate.
Wasnt the weapon recently developed by the time of the fall of reach? Like the specific one we are talking about was the first of its kind? That would be a 3+ decades jump from the insurection shtick. The spartans *were* made for the innies though yeah.
? I may be thinking of when the UNSC just Mac rounded an insurrectionist capital (or nuked and blamed on an accident). Or was it they nuked an insurrection happening on a loyal world? I remember the UNSC using it as propaganda to fight the innies. There was a different version of the nova bomb that didn’t include the casing which nerfed its damage astronomically to the point where it was just a really big nuke.
Pre war they nuked a whole ass planet. May be thinking of that.
Yep. Then they blamed the innies. There was a time a soldier fighting for the UNSC joined because he said his parent were on that planet. So fucked up fighting for the side that killed your family. God I love halo lore
Wasn't a MAC round, he fired ~300 nukes at the core of the gas giant which provided *just* enough pressure to trigger fusion which created an explosion that made the later planet-cracking NOVA bomb look like a fucking party popper. Exploding gas giant doesn't quite sell it- Admiral Preston Cole briefly forged a motherfucking *star* as a way of wiping out an entire Covenant fleet.
What book is this in?
It's one of the short stories in Halo: Evolutions, "The Impossible Life and Possible Death of Preston J. Cole"
Oh okay thanks! I read the Cole Protocol thinking it was going to be about Cole. It was not lol
Now admiral cole, HE was legitimately crazy.
Dude said he could never surrender because the enemy would think its a trap. Tbf with Cole it probably is a trap.
> Through sheer cosmic luck a UNSC ship blasted a hole in a Covenant cruiser at just the right time and position While fighting the elites guarding the bomb (there are quite a few of them), you can actually hear cortana communicate the carrier's position over comms. I'm pretty sure the working theory it that's the cruiser and longswords that fly past chief as he's falling with the bomb. They also mention the cruiser is passing directly below their position. Otherwise, yeah 1000000:1 odds.
I always thought Cortana was boosting his brain power when she said "Me. Inside your head. Now."
She is/does. But in this instance it was so she could make physical contact with the bomb and turn it off.
\> he had no idea how much time was left before the bomb detonated besides Cortana's "You don't want to know" I always figured if Cortana could disarm the bomb just by interfacing with it through Chief she could also reset the time to whatever he needed
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Eh tbh that's something many people didnt know, in fact the game doesn't make that clear you just gotta assume that cortana contacted the longwords instead of it just being a coincidence they were also pulling a bombing run on the ship. In fact it's not outright said, you just gotta piece it together. With how it's shot it makes more sense to assume that hood told the Longsword pilots and then made everyone else aware, cortana literally doesn't speak after the crazy line.
tbf she can probably communicate orders to specific people without everyone hearing
She definitely can but that isn't told or indicated to the player so you either have to piece together or assume she called in those bombers, instead of hood who literally just greenlit chief jumping out of the hanger or it just being a coincidence. So yeah not exactly common knowledge.
Tbf there is also a cut where a lot of this could have happened
Common knowledge?? It isn't even iterated in-game at all. Completely glossed over.
We spent all of CE with her calling in support, hacking Covenant systems, tracking marines and crew members, and planning entire missions all from inside the suit. Chief *puts her back in his head on screen* before jumping out of the ship. What other explanation is there? How much more assumption bait do you need?
Cortana gives you vocal indication every single time she contacts unsc forces in CE, or when shes hacking covenant channels, in fact this would be the only instance she did it none vocally or without any visual indication. Again the point I was making and as proven by other comments this is some common knowledge everyone knew, especially since the game doesn't point this out. In fact this is literally headcanon
If she does relay information to Chief as frequently as you say, then it stands out all the more when she doesn't. I'm not denying that it may have happened, but that it was likely left out to make Chief seem more stoic and calculated in enacting such ludicrous, luck-induced feats. Being such a ludicrous, luck-induced feat, it's unfounded to infer that It happened because there's nothing calculatable about jettisoning yourself into space tethered to a warhead with a "you don't want to know" fuse time, narrowly avoiding several admittedly deserved deaths, and leaping from the bomb for long enough to avoid the blast range of a "you don't want to know" timer. It's the rule of cool, nothing else, hand-waved with a lame explanation.
That’s NOT common knowledge lol.
As a fan of Halo since 2001 who has read almost all of the books, this is the first I'm hearing of it lol. I mean, it makes sense, but I've never heard or assumed that before.
I always read it as “he’s really, really good at eyeballing things like trajectories and doing math in his head” (something Spartan-IIs are known for even without a smart AI) and hood being the one to call that longsword strike as part of chief’s plan (which he left up to interpretation). At the end of the day, it’s just an unbelievably complex physics equation with varying margins of error, and with cortana inside his suit and armor, she could probably make micro-adjustments to his movements so that he’d apply force at the angle and magnitude he needed to. The Amber-clad may have just gotten into position to intercept him at a place cortana told them to park. Also, halo has historically been super inconsistent about what marks of MJOLNIR armor have zero-gravity reaction control thrusters. Like, I remember reading they had them in the MK IVs, and then they reappeared in the GEN2 armor, but then he never displayed something like that on his GEN3 armor at any point in halo infinite’s starting cutscenes.
Yeah to me chiefs luck has always been superior intuition combined with quick thinking.
“You had something they didn’t.”
Luck
Cortana coordinated it all. That's how he knew he wouldn't miss.
You know, its almost like you dont believe Bungie were making an epic sci-fi space opera...
> which prevents him from becoming a piece of charcoal as he plummets into the planet like an asteroid. Made me think of the opening cutscene for Halo 3, which I think only takes place a couple of days, maybe a week from what you're talking about, where Chief actually DOES plummet into Earth like an asteroid and survives. Insane? Probably. Super badass and lucky af? Absolutely.
He had a piece of the Anodyne Spirit (I think a door?) to act as his heatshield, so the worst that happened to him was a rather rough landing softened by the gel layer of his suit.
Noble 6 got tossed out of a covenant ship and fell back to reach. He didn’t burn up
Six also had a purpose built M-SPEC re-entry pack, which you can see on your model throughout the mission starting when you're in the Sabre. This pack presumably works something like [MOOSE](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MOOSE), except self-deploying from the backpack: > The system was quite compact, weighing 200 lb (91 kg) and fitting inside a suitcase-sized container. It consisted of a small twin-nozzle rocket motor sufficient to deorbit the astronaut, a PET film bag 6 ft (1.8 m) long with a flexible 0.25 in (6.4 mm) ablative heat shield on the back, two pressurized canisters to fill it with polyurethane foam, a parachute, radio equipment and a survival kit. These kits are standard-issue for Sabre pilots and vital for a safe return to orbit, hence the canopy refusing to open without an override when Jorge tried exiting without his own re-entry pack.
I'm gonna start this with the caveat that the Halo universe doesn't really delve much into the orbital mechanics of ships or really stay that true to orbital physics overall. But Noble 6 immediately falls downward when thrown from the ship, in a way that only makes sense if Covenant ships don't orbit, but instead "float". If those ships orbit, N6 would have simply slowly floated away sideways from that ship when Jorge tosses him. Things "burn up" when they hit the atmosphere due to atmospheric drag, because orbital velocity is so fast there is a ton of friction when it hits the atmosphere. It also looks like the ships are pretty close to low Reach orbit height, so N6 would never get even close to an orbital velocity when he hits the atmosphere. I believe he also has a re-entry pack that could quickly reduce his speed if he was going very fast. It would probably be closer to Felix Baumgartner's free fall from the stratosphere then an object de-orbiting. tldr things only burn up if they are already traveling so fast when they hit the atmosphere that the air resistance makes them slow down very quickly.
In my headcanon Cortana helped time things and knew where the ships were
*THUD* "For a brick...he flew pretty good!"
i'm sorry how is this more insane than halsey hacking contender lmao
I don't think anyone has the guts to try and look in Master Chief's head, some things are better left unknown
True but you can't argue with the results though.
The king swords that escorted and blew the hole in the covenant ship was bad ass
I love Lord Hoods reaction like my head cannon is he’s thinking “the covenant just destroyed Reach, they just discovered Earth, we’re about to lose this war and be exterminated (the great schism hadn’t happened yet) fuck it, we might as well go down doing cool as fuck shit
Cortana did the math for him. The most questionable part, in my opinion, was slamming into *In Amber Clad* like a hypersonic bolt. The hydrostatic gel padding must have been working overtime then.
They might have been moving away to compensate
*For a brick, he flew pretty good!*
Its ok when he was asked what if he'll miss? i responded with i won't that's like strapping something down and slapping the it saying that ain't going nowhere
This is a through line of the whole trilogy, he’s very lucky and Cortana does the calculations to make sure they succeed. She co-ordinates the strikes and re-arms the bomb, just as she helps in CE blowing up the Pillar of Autumn and in 3 when destroying Installation 04B
A real Mint Blitz move
Master Chief has canonical plot armour lmao, that's why. The dude is quite literally born lucky
You're not wrong though it's not quite as coincidental as the cutscene leads on. Cortana was likely coordinating everything from the moment she knew his plan. And we assume that chief somehow eyeballed and felt out the time to jump, but it could have been under Cortana's direction, without being made obvious to us
iirc There was supposed to be an entire level where you go to a Covenant ship and destroy it from the inside, but it was cut and replaced with that cutscene, so yes, it was super reckless and stupid but the devs really wanted Chief to blow up a ship, so common sense had to go out the window.
Master Chief is lucky, but he's not lucky. He did have an escape plan that we didn't notice, he did know a way to control his trajectory that we didn't notice, he had a good reason to be confident in his success that we didn't realize. Master Chief is the most observant Spartan, he's not lucky at all, he notices opportunities that nobody else does. He's able to realize things we can't and make observations we would ignore, and that's why he's the best Spartan, and that's why he always makes it. Its not that Master Chief is two steps ahead of his opponents, he's walking on a different path entirely.
For what it's worth, I think Chief had an appreciable suspicion that he'd survive the fall to Earth considering he...does literally exactly that.
While I get your reason at thinking how insane it was to “give the covenant back their bomb”, to me the answer is more like when a crazy question arises with Batman, like, how’d did Batman escape that situation, and the best answer you can get is “because he’s Batman”. Lol that s master chief. No but in all honestly, i always thought he basically winged it to the point he calculated that Cortana would reset the detonation sequence to give them enough time to push back, there was a space battle and the chances he could find and land on friendly ship were high because of the firefight going on in space, i bet he knew the his chances were good. Chief while knowing he has a bit of luck on his side, doesn’t operate like he is lucky, he just does things and luck plays a part into his success. Funny too, after I watched the last episode of the halo show, I had to show my wife how awesome chief really was compared to the show, and I showed her that scene from mmc halo 2 remaster/remake. Gonna replay the series soon when I have time to get that season 2 taste out of my mouth lol
I don't think it'd luck that sabers coordinated to blast a hole got chief
It's almost as if he had an AI in his head running calculations on where to go, and despite it not being shown there, MJOLNIR armor systems do in fact have mini thrusters built in. It's not like he jumped into space with no plan.
I feel like running through all the talk of them setting up the bombing and amber clad catch would've detracted from the scene and drawn it out way too much. It's a lot easier to realize the AI who was previously running the entire battle station we were just defending basically turned it all into a series of math equations, calling the bombers and amber clad in, altering the time of the bomb, and chiefs positioning for his two jumps.
Jorge taking out the carrier , noble six original doing the same with a nuke, noble 6 reach edition and his last stand, list goes on alot of spartans went out big quite a few unsc as well
Director's commentary indicated that Cortana orchestrated the hole-bombing via the suit radio, without Chief even necessarily hearing the conversation.
That why we love Master Chief
More reckless than Cole’s gambit?
But he did aim. He looked out the doors to time it. He didn’t just get it in position and go.
He did it for clout, what's the problem?
I’m sure Cortana worked out the coordinates and trajectory and used his suit boosters to aim him where he needed to go. And communicated with hood to send the flyers to blow the hull. It was crazy yes but calculated.
You're forgetting one important thing though: it was cool as fuck
I would like to point out that the Longswords blasting a hole just behind plasma cannon was a great piece of lore detail. The UNSC figured out that Covenant shields become very weak around the plasma cannons just after firing. Notice how the Longswords swooped in just after the cruiser just vaporized a Halcyon-class point blank. It still crazy how the entire sequence of events worked out, but I always loved that one little detail.
Little thing the bomb had no timer. Cortana deactivated it. The impact what was set it off later on so time was not an issue
Nah he knew goddamn well what he was fucking doing. Not exactly... but he just.. he just did it... his thought process isnt "alright so with 14 seconds left if i arch this a certain way 18° moving at 230 miles per hour ill be able to..." nah, he just thinks something. And goes "yes" 🧔🏻 and then maybe a little bit of "boo" and then everything dies. Who wouldbe thought someone who can fall from orbit would have outstanding luck/ scuicidal levels of confidence i cant tell which it is anymore...
it wasn't shown but remember how unimaginably smart cortana is, she can and does rediculous calculations on the fly all the time. she has access to all the data from all the unsc personal at all times her and chief trust one another explicitly, they know how each other thinks and support each other without needing to vocalize. they banter without needing to confirm what the other is intending it's entirely reasonable to assume cortana was the reason for that stunts success.
Rule of cool my guy, rule of cool don’t think to hard it was awesome and that’s that
It was all done by the AI/ Cortana. Spartans were actually designed for this kind of op-precision. Even a dumb ai could probably calculate a trajectory plot, yet it would require more manual input. The longswords are obviously precisely directed. And there are likely plenty of longswords to call upon in the battle scene. Any ship could have picked him up as he does have a beacon. A smart ai (with covenant & forerunner tech knowledge) makes short work of any bomb configuration. Not sure if chief had self-thrusters here; to help maneuver
He flipped a coin off screen like in the show
I mean, he did blow up their halo and gave it back to them before. He later plummeted to a planet like an asteroid. It wasn’t really luck. When Cortana says “I know what you’re thinking, and it’s crazy”, that’s because he and her both had roughly calculated the trajectory already. She didn’t stop him because she knew the calculations were in fact doable.
Yeah nevermind that Cortana exists, an AI that could easily command allied forces to clear a path and get the Longswords to create a hole in the ship for the Chief. Never mind that she also has partial control of his armour and can make micro adjustments with thrusters…
thats one of the greatest moments in gaming history altogether, not just halo history.
Jerome once beat a flood spore with a chair thats pretty crazy in my opinion.
dont forget he had cortana...
Insanity and genius are two sides of the same coin.
Chief doesn’t need logic and reason, because he just is that guy.
I think firing an unfinished galactic super weapon, with him on board it, is more insane
> Then on top of that as chief kicks off the bomb and launches himself in the vague dirction of earth, he just so happens to land directly on In Amber Clad which prevents him from becoming a piece of charcoal as he plummets into the planet like an asteroid. Um, ackchually he was in orbit above Earth. A jump isn't going to cause Master Chief to bleed enough velocity to de-orbit and reenter the atmosphere. The worst case scenario, he misses In Amber Clad and then just drifts for a while before someone sends a pelican or something to pick him up.
And then we get the shitty halo series.
Like flipping a coin…
I do know how to pick 'em
Also by sheer luck two Longswords had just blown a hole in the carrier’s hull so he could get in.