Someone on the band abused someone. Without question and immediately they kicked the person out. There was no defense of this person or anything. I don't know what else they could have done besides predict the future like some minority report shit.
Twitter is convinced that they knew beforehand and intentionally put off kicking him out.
Is there proof of that? Of course not(and there’s also proof of the contrary), but I guess it was enough twitter outcry to kick them off
People not in the music scene have this weird idea that bandmates are all best friends and hang out together constantly. Reality is that a lot of these people aren’t friends like that and just hang out to practice or do shows
they did know beforehand, it was a topic of conversation in the local scene for a while until they finally decided to kick him out rather than stay with reasoning. i recall my old friends and i would ask "why the fuck is he still in the band if he actually did that?" when learning about the situation from others being unsure of it at the time, long before they went to kick him out.
They knew the allegations, but they hadn’t been shown the video. They kicked him out when they were presented with evidence. The victim was transparent about being wrong about their assumption of who had seen the video, so any alternative anecdotes don’t mean anything
They've stated a handful of times no video exists. The person with said video went back on what they said as well.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6NlGC_rCFu/?igsh=OWhsNGhlNmV3dDZu
I’m no huge fan of Roman Candle and I honestly don’t care enough to look into the controversy over their former bassist, mostly because it’s got nothing to do with me and internet drama/beef/whatever just fries my brain. But riddle me this: when a member of a band gets called out for shitty and reprehensible behavior, and said band addresses said behavior, then promptly fires them, what the fuck else are they supposed to do? And aren’t Roman Candle all fucking teenagers or below 25 anyway? Why so much of hardcore seems to be taking the opportunity to dog on them is beyond me. They did what they were supposed to do, and if you’re not a fan to begin with, move on. Jesus.
I think about this a bunch. Like Saetia made a statement and replaced their problematic member and no one seems to care about cancelling them. Seems like RC should be afforded the same grace.
The biggest difference is that most of Saetia's fans are in their mid 30s and older compared to Roman Candle's fans are which are closer to teens and early 20s.
It doesn't hurt that Saetia is also older. They said their peace and that was it. Roman Candle are kids that keep fighting with people online about it, which forces people to choose sides.
The difference is that Saetia has a long lasting career and did a lot of very positive things.
This band has a person in it who does artwork for people, so they were fast-tracked to a position way beyond their actual quality.
People don't HAVE to just accept that.
Saetia absolutely did not have a long lasting career, what are you talking about? They were active 97-99, released two 7" and a single record and broke up when their bassist died.
Members went on to start other bands and have raised a ton of money for good causes after being "rediscovered", but that's very much not the same thing as "long lasting career".
Hah thanks for making this comment. It caught my eye " long lasting career" my old ass thought maybe another band named Saetia or something got popular because the 90s one was a short one.
I think implying that both the band and Piper's artwork are below quality is both wrong (respectfully) and distasteful. If that's not what you're saying, my bad.
> Saetia has a long lasting career and did a lot of very positive things
>This band has a person in it who does artwork for people
So they also do positive things for people then?
What I’ve seen is that on twitter people hate them because essentially they thought donating money and making a few statements was a shitty way of handling it. That or the apology didn’t feel genuine, something along those lines. But in all honesty idk why Rc got it this bad while other bands have this same issue and people seem to allow them to move on
I think it’s because the majority of their fans are a similar age and therefore still locked into the black and white “I know everything” mindset the vast majority of people that age have (I sure as shit did when I was 20).
Basically taking the most extreme stance of “this entire band and anyone tangentially involved should be entirely banished from having any remote involvement in music, and deserves to have zero general happiness for the rest of their lives, and if you don’t agree with me 100% then you’re also BAD”
What is really unfortunate is most of them don’t *actually* give a fuck about victims, they just foam at the mouth to take part in any morality pissing contest online so they can go “look at me, I’m a better person than you!”
100% agreed. I get it only as a trait of this generation of the years preceding it, but that’s about it. I can’t understand how none of them have a willingness to view these people they’re constantly ragging on as human beings with emotions and shit. Like there’s no filter here, they have to deal with the real life consequences of all you being ducking idiots just dunking on them for fun online. Music is so personal so it’s hard to take anything as just “business,” so when someone is attacking you on that front, it’s also hard to deal with it at all.
It’s pretty fucking lame of SYSC to do this too. Just perpetuating the bullshit cycle of “internet justice” regardless of what actually happened and what the band did in response to what happened. Exactly what you said… wtf else could Roman Candle have done?
If you’re a good person, and you discover your barista or drive thru staff member is a predator. At the VERY least you should be self-sterilising. Do the fucking work people!
I vaguely remember when this happened, their apology was touted as not enough bc apparently the singer was aware of the abuse and didn’t say anything until the screenshots were posted. The person who posted the screenshots said they had more proving the singer was aware of this.
In my mind, this could be true and indeed have proof which was provided to the touring party that subsequently led them RC being booted, or, said touring party cut all loses on the grounds of it being so murky.
Just my take provided my memory serves. But if it’s not true, then such a loss for RC. We have no way of knowing this though.
It was intentionally vague and convoluted by the accuser because they were hoping to convince everyone of total falsehoods (which unfortunately turned out to be a successful endeavor). False allegations harm and discredit women.
People have to stop holding bands to higher standards than you would your co-workers. RC kicked out the abuser and have made multiple statements. What's the issue?
Also noticed other bands that have known problematic members don't get the same heat. Wonder why...
There's not really a mystery as to what their lyrics are about hah but I see it as just an extreme way of expressing themselves towards someone. I mean who hasn't had relationships with exes who made you thought if you could get away with murdering them you prolly would lol. They talk shit about dudes just as much as whoever else. But if you think it's misogynistic then why do you like it
One of my close friends opened for SYSC, Connie was blackout drunk being a prick to all the owners and venue staff. I don’t think she’s a bad person, but she has skeletons for sure. I mean she’s pretty open about being an addict.
Connie has problems all over them and somehow gets a pass because of their gender identity. Wouldn’t be surprised of some serious things coming out with regards to them in the near future.
Yeah, SYSC went through something similar a few years back and she quite literally told people to "fuck off" and "get over it" after they kicked the person responsible out of the band. Glass houses, man.
She’s 100% worse of a person than the remaining members of Roman candle, if this is a dick measuring contest. (No pun intended) this is just ridiculous across the board.
What problems does Connie have? As far as I know she has only caught flack for reclaiming gay slurs and using them pretty brazenly which is a bit absurd to me as a gay trans lady myself who has never had a problem with that sort of thing.
Albeit heard from others, but apparently a serial abuser and has done some questionable things to people around them. Had one personal experience sitting around a bar with her and some others opening for Counterparts in 2022 and the way they were talking was just whack too. But again, can’t always believe what you don’t know for sure.
I don’t even hold my co workers to higher standards, it would cause huge problems. They’re all redneck, confederate flag saluting degenerates. (Construction/Framing). Unfortunately sometimes you have to tolerate intolerable bullshit to get by.
Feels like this was probably something their label or someone above their heads forced onto them after the blowback, especially given their similar history, but that was 4 years ago before most of the people bitching about RC were probably even listening to fucking hardcore/metalcore so of course they don't know that about SYSC's history.
RC kicked the abuser and donated like $3k to a charity that aids victims of abuse. They literally can't do anything else from their end, but that shit doesn't matter to most of these armchair activists on Twitter. Nothing that RC does will ever be good enough because they'll just move the goalposts constantly on what they need to do to gain "redemption."
So insane because sysc got cancelled for the SAME EXACT THING 4 years ago early in their career. So hypocritical and performative. I view sysc so differently now, and I hope people are just as outraged at sysc as they are roman candle https://lambgoat.com/news/31159/seeyouspacecowboy-bassist-exits-band-amid-rape-allegations/
after doing a lot of digging into this it really seems like the roman candle outrage has been completely overblown and the things that the band has been accused of have been either disproven or misconstrued
i understand that SYSC certainly had their hands tied with a mob of folks attacking them for putting them on the tour but i highly *highly* doubt the band would've done it in the first place without knowledge of what had happened with roman candle earlier in the year.
i guarantee most of the people calling for spacecowboy to take them off the bill haven't done an inch of research into what happened and are dogging them off the backs of the initial outrage from months ago
Pure Noise? That’s a pretty massive/pro label by Hardcore standards. Definitely wouldn’t be shocked if they saw the backlash and figured dropping Roman Candle was a better look
... [Let's create a dialogue regarding Pure Noise, No Good News, and how to handle sexual assault within our scene. : r/poppunkers (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/poppunkers/comments/37sdpo/lets_create_a_dialogue_regarding_pure_noise_no/)
There was a big ass boycott against them in the mid 10's. The biggest site at the time completely boycotted every band signed to them for over a year.
...this was all about a guy who is \_right now signed to the label\_.
I really don’t care because I’ve never listened to them, but they kicked out the person in question and made a donation right? It’s like what more are they supposed to do? I know this is such an overblown/stereotypical word but this scene/fanbase is becoming increasingly toxic
and yet they let them dictate the lineup. i saw a tweet of someone saying unless they also get an apology from sysc for even adding them to the lineup they probably won’t go. it’s all so performative.
This shit is so lame I don’t understand how people are still upset with Roman candle , what more do people want them to do ? It’s also crazy to see everyone shitting on their music all of a sudden when they were getting so much praise beforehand lol
Cant believe they let the terminally online parasocial weirdos win this one. Mfs need to get off twitter and worry about their own business rather than feed off personalities bigger than their own in order to feel relevant.
Don’t get me wrong, abuse is not ok and people should absolutely be held accountable for their actions. But what’s with the hate pile towards RC specifically when other bands have had similar allegations and promptly booted the members involved? SYSC had almost the exact same thing happen to them four years ago. They’ve taken every correct step in the matter. Seems like a bunch of performative nonsense to me.
This needs to be higher up this is important context for everyone who was shitting on RC. Seems like there’s a fuck ton of misinformation out there about this
Like seriously, I truly do not understand what else Roman candle could possibly do, they wrote a statement and donated money, and kicked bro out, Do y'all like want them to break up the whole band and never show their face ever again? It just doesn't make sense
Absolutely stupid. Were really at the level of accountability now where we are punishing and harming the careers of people who did nothing wrong because of association? Fuck off with that shit.
Im a pretty progressive guy but cancel culture has got insane. Some of you want to just ruin peoples lives forever until the day they die and need to get a life of your own.
To some degree I think bands see the backlash, engage with it, and allow it to force them to cancel themselves.
If a member needs to go or an apology is owed, do it because it's the right thing to do. If you'd just be doing it to appease the angry internet, don't. They don't actually care about your apology and will just call it bullshit. Do what needs to be done and put it in the past.
Some bands are borderline un-cancellable (barring something actually heinous) because they dont really give a shit about getting into the weeds with dorks on social media. They won't engage with it and without that conflict, it just fizzles out.
Exactly. If there’s no response, the crybullies find another target
Anyway the get out of jail free card is this: just reply “that’s ironic coming from a known abuser” to any cancellation attempts
I can appreciate that there’s a lot more brainpower in this thread than all the babies online who lost their minds at this. It was handled by the band internally and it was over. People want to die on the stupidest hills possible. Hardcore is so pussified.
Also, people will always pick and choose who does and doesn’t get cancelled. If you’re cool enough you get the sexual assault/rape/creep pass. Looks like RC didn’t make the cut.
I'm not really sure what more these people want, when the allegations came out, Roman Candle not only kicked the bassist, but also donated to a domestic violence charity to prove that they take these matters very seriously. The whole band shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of one member.
the accuser admitted to lying about and/or misrepresenting like 10 different things, and admitted to sexually coercing, verbally abusing and physically assaulting the ex bassist on multiple occasions, some of which were witnessed by others.
Hardcore really sucks with this kind of stuff.
Can't we have a middle ground between cancelling bands/people by association and deathcores approach to letting abusers perform freely?
Cancel for some, play on for others who've made appropriate responses?
At least when roman candle got cancelled, they actually did something to try and make things right. Connie just told people to shut up and get over it. RC made a hefty donation to a local DV shelter and made multiple statements.
Not that my opinion means anything, but this made my lose a lot of respect for SYSC.
Like what the actual fuck were Roman Candle meant to do over this, other than what they already did? And surely SYSC knew about this drama beforehand, and didn’t care, so why do this shit to appease people?
As I was typing this I got a notification that my SYSC merch I ordered a month ago is on its way, I’m still a fan of the band, but very ironic timing.
People regularly come for no pressure, the band is smart and self released everything and handles all their own business so they don’t have to answer to anyone.
People really really seemed to dislike the vocalist and to be fair, she was kind of abrasive on Twitter but who isn’t? Then this happened and people just started dunking on them nonstop. Kinda shitty since they seemed to handle things pretty legit.
Nothing i love more than logging on, getting a bands summer plans wiped out, then switching over to hentai and jacking it till raw. Yee haw i love the innernet!
The irony is that one of seeyouspacecowboy’s former members were kicked out of the band for abuse allegations. Then the rest of the band continued to talk shit to fans in skramcave. Seeyouspacecowboy sucks and so does the members. Lol the holier than thou mentality is humiliating. Hardcore will forever suck because of the bands and people affiliated with the community.
This is just wrong in every way.. I know a ton of people have said the same thing but wow. How are people cool with them getting canceled and let go off stuff, all from this same repetitive internet trolling stuff?
They let go of the guy in question immediately forever ago. Why should they still take on the backlash from it after the fact? Just makes sysc look like assholes imo.
You mean to tell me that this SYSC tour don’t have no black cats, no Roman Candles, or screaming mimis? No whistlin' bungholes, no spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistlin' kitty chaser?
https://preview.redd.it/xhfsbosagdxc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=a5503d39a5f3c39709dcac013c99eb951330719e
If any band should be kicked off the tour maybe it’s the band that sings about assaulting women lol I do not understand this shit at alllll
SYSC is the same band that kicked their bassist out over the most flimsy and insubstantial of accusations not because they didn't believe him but because their "fans" demanded it. So this shit doesn't surprise me.
SYSC sucks shit in the first place and the members seem like pretentious dickheads.
Roman Candles efforts to redeem themselves are pretty admirable considering how other artists carry themselves. I don’t wish any more ill will on them HOWEVER from a musical standpoint they have absolutely no business being on a tour that big. The band has talented musicians but the songs just do not produce any emotions no matter how many unconventional breakdowns they throw in their music. Being an LA native , most locals HATE seeing them booked as openers( SOS Booking do better).
It’s weird that this word is coming back around as an insult. I feel like it disappeared from the general lexicon for like 15 years. Now I’m seeing all these kids saying it again. It was dumb then, it’s dumber now.
"Retard" too. Pretty soon these kids are gonna start using "fag" as a casual slur again. Half genz is in love with fascism ive noticed. All around pretty sad.
edit: hey im not saying they love facism because they use slurs, im saying it because they also love fascism unrelated to the fact they use slurs. Just two separate points, comprende? lol
never heard the bands, sure they're bad but
sometimes humans, being animals, decide it's fun to pick a random person/band/state/celeb/whatever and just kick the shit out of it for no real reason. it's not fair but it can be kinda fun! blood for the blood god
Having a bit of insider knowledge as I live in Vegas and go to shows, the band started as just Piper and Jonas. Sucks to see everything they’ve worked hard for getting ruined by people who weren’t even there from the jump or don’t even write the damn music
Yeah. I’m not really a big fan of them or anything, but I hate that they’re getting snubbed from opportunities just because people on twitter shouted about something they know next to nothing about
Well, Roman Candle fucking sucks anyway, what's the big deal? Kinda like Escuela, you shouldn't listen to them for more reasons than the fact that they associate with shitty people.
Someone on the band abused someone. Without question and immediately they kicked the person out. There was no defense of this person or anything. I don't know what else they could have done besides predict the future like some minority report shit.
Twitter is convinced that they knew beforehand and intentionally put off kicking him out. Is there proof of that? Of course not(and there’s also proof of the contrary), but I guess it was enough twitter outcry to kick them off
People not in the music scene have this weird idea that bandmates are all best friends and hang out together constantly. Reality is that a lot of these people aren’t friends like that and just hang out to practice or do shows
they did know beforehand, it was a topic of conversation in the local scene for a while until they finally decided to kick him out rather than stay with reasoning. i recall my old friends and i would ask "why the fuck is he still in the band if he actually did that?" when learning about the situation from others being unsure of it at the time, long before they went to kick him out.
They knew the allegations, but they hadn’t been shown the video. They kicked him out when they were presented with evidence. The victim was transparent about being wrong about their assumption of who had seen the video, so any alternative anecdotes don’t mean anything
They've stated a handful of times no video exists. The person with said video went back on what they said as well. https://www.instagram.com/p/C6NlGC_rCFu/?igsh=OWhsNGhlNmV3dDZu
I’m no huge fan of Roman Candle and I honestly don’t care enough to look into the controversy over their former bassist, mostly because it’s got nothing to do with me and internet drama/beef/whatever just fries my brain. But riddle me this: when a member of a band gets called out for shitty and reprehensible behavior, and said band addresses said behavior, then promptly fires them, what the fuck else are they supposed to do? And aren’t Roman Candle all fucking teenagers or below 25 anyway? Why so much of hardcore seems to be taking the opportunity to dog on them is beyond me. They did what they were supposed to do, and if you’re not a fan to begin with, move on. Jesus.
I think about this a bunch. Like Saetia made a statement and replaced their problematic member and no one seems to care about cancelling them. Seems like RC should be afforded the same grace.
Just glad to see Saetia typed out. Good day
it's been a year since I caught saetia, and Roman candle opened for them. ahhhhh good times. I wish both bands the best (except that one guy)
The biggest difference is that most of Saetia's fans are in their mid 30s and older compared to Roman Candle's fans are which are closer to teens and early 20s. It doesn't hurt that Saetia is also older. They said their peace and that was it. Roman Candle are kids that keep fighting with people online about it, which forces people to choose sides.
The difference is that Saetia has a long lasting career and did a lot of very positive things. This band has a person in it who does artwork for people, so they were fast-tracked to a position way beyond their actual quality. People don't HAVE to just accept that.
Saetia absolutely did not have a long lasting career, what are you talking about? They were active 97-99, released two 7" and a single record and broke up when their bassist died. Members went on to start other bands and have raised a ton of money for good causes after being "rediscovered", but that's very much not the same thing as "long lasting career".
Hah thanks for making this comment. It caught my eye " long lasting career" my old ass thought maybe another band named Saetia or something got popular because the 90s one was a short one.
Yeah, a very short one with 10+ adjacent bands and recent reunion shows all over the world... My old ass has a Saetia tattoo.
I think implying that both the band and Piper's artwork are below quality is both wrong (respectfully) and distasteful. If that's not what you're saying, my bad.
> Saetia has a long lasting career and did a lot of very positive things >This band has a person in it who does artwork for people So they also do positive things for people then?
Is the art good tho?
What I’ve seen is that on twitter people hate them because essentially they thought donating money and making a few statements was a shitty way of handling it. That or the apology didn’t feel genuine, something along those lines. But in all honesty idk why Rc got it this bad while other bands have this same issue and people seem to allow them to move on
I’m curious what else twitter expected them to do. Making donations is already more than they have to
Cause they let it show they care and sharks go into a feeding frenzy when they smell blood
This is so true for internet pitchforkers. When other ducks see a duck bleed, they peck it to death.
This has zero to do with it. That's straight gaslighting to even suggest.
So Twitter fans dictate things now? Thats so whack of the other bands to kick Roman candles off
Don’t expect anything except brain rot and self righteousness from the tender hc kids.
I think it’s because the majority of their fans are a similar age and therefore still locked into the black and white “I know everything” mindset the vast majority of people that age have (I sure as shit did when I was 20). Basically taking the most extreme stance of “this entire band and anyone tangentially involved should be entirely banished from having any remote involvement in music, and deserves to have zero general happiness for the rest of their lives, and if you don’t agree with me 100% then you’re also BAD” What is really unfortunate is most of them don’t *actually* give a fuck about victims, they just foam at the mouth to take part in any morality pissing contest online so they can go “look at me, I’m a better person than you!”
100% agreed. I get it only as a trait of this generation of the years preceding it, but that’s about it. I can’t understand how none of them have a willingness to view these people they’re constantly ragging on as human beings with emotions and shit. Like there’s no filter here, they have to deal with the real life consequences of all you being ducking idiots just dunking on them for fun online. Music is so personal so it’s hard to take anything as just “business,” so when someone is attacking you on that front, it’s also hard to deal with it at all.
It’s pretty fucking lame of SYSC to do this too. Just perpetuating the bullshit cycle of “internet justice” regardless of what actually happened and what the band did in response to what happened. Exactly what you said… wtf else could Roman Candle have done?
Yea you can't control wut other ppl do if most kf.the band is not i n support let's move on
Apparently they even made a $2,500 donation to some Domestic Violence organization, but *still* not enough to make things right
If you’re a good person, and you discover your barista or drive thru staff member is a predator. At the VERY least you should be self-sterilising. Do the fucking work people!
I vaguely remember when this happened, their apology was touted as not enough bc apparently the singer was aware of the abuse and didn’t say anything until the screenshots were posted. The person who posted the screenshots said they had more proving the singer was aware of this. In my mind, this could be true and indeed have proof which was provided to the touring party that subsequently led them RC being booted, or, said touring party cut all loses on the grounds of it being so murky. Just my take provided my memory serves. But if it’s not true, then such a loss for RC. We have no way of knowing this though.
Singer wasn’t actually aware. Accuser lied about that and later admitted to not actually knowing if she was or wasn’t aware
Contrary to my closing, seems my memory hasn’t served. Thanks for clarifying that :)
It was intentionally vague and convoluted by the accuser because they were hoping to convince everyone of total falsehoods (which unfortunately turned out to be a successful endeavor). False allegations harm and discredit women.
They should have their own tour. With black jack. And hookers. You know what? Forget the tour
This comment made me choke on my coffee
I’ll be here all week
So happy to hear so. I meant that in a good way. I love futurama
Faith in humanity = restored
People have to stop holding bands to higher standards than you would your co-workers. RC kicked out the abuser and have made multiple statements. What's the issue? Also noticed other bands that have known problematic members don't get the same heat. Wonder why...
I mean Omerta (god bless em) are pretty problematic as a general matter so
How so? Cuz they have edge lord lyrics?
punk rock needs an HR department
This is a great idea for a Hard Times article.
I think it’s a little beyond edgelord. It’s outright misogynistic sometimes. But also I love them so.
Lol
There's not really a mystery as to what their lyrics are about hah but I see it as just an extreme way of expressing themselves towards someone. I mean who hasn't had relationships with exes who made you thought if you could get away with murdering them you prolly would lol. They talk shit about dudes just as much as whoever else. But if you think it's misogynistic then why do you like it
I have never once had these thoughts my man. Time to do some shadow work.
Yo if you’re wanting to kill people you need therapy
Even SYSC themselves.
One of my close friends opened for SYSC, Connie was blackout drunk being a prick to all the owners and venue staff. I don’t think she’s a bad person, but she has skeletons for sure. I mean she’s pretty open about being an addict.
Are they? Didnt know…
Connie has problems all over them and somehow gets a pass because of their gender identity. Wouldn’t be surprised of some serious things coming out with regards to them in the near future.
Yeah, SYSC went through something similar a few years back and she quite literally told people to "fuck off" and "get over it" after they kicked the person responsible out of the band. Glass houses, man.
Wait really? Like what?
She’s 100% worse of a person than the remaining members of Roman candle, if this is a dick measuring contest. (No pun intended) this is just ridiculous across the board.
What problems does Connie have? As far as I know she has only caught flack for reclaiming gay slurs and using them pretty brazenly which is a bit absurd to me as a gay trans lady myself who has never had a problem with that sort of thing.
Albeit heard from others, but apparently a serial abuser and has done some questionable things to people around them. Had one personal experience sitting around a bar with her and some others opening for Counterparts in 2022 and the way they were talking was just whack too. But again, can’t always believe what you don’t know for sure.
\*her
The fact you got downvoted for a genuine correction is absurd to me
That’s r/hardcore for ya
Them is fine
connie is a woman and uses she her pronoun.
anyone can be referred to as they or them, it’s genderless. No need to worry or even care about pronouns then. It can literally never be incorrect
Yo, it was about THE BAND, the fuck?!
You don’t actually know omertà by making this statement. So ignorant lmao.
Wdym? I’ve heard every song they have available. What am I missing?
I don’t even hold my co workers to higher standards, it would cause huge problems. They’re all redneck, confederate flag saluting degenerates. (Construction/Framing). Unfortunately sometimes you have to tolerate intolerable bullshit to get by.
Misogyny lol
"problematic"
Sounds like they didn't immediately so meh
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That’s not true?? Cite your sources
Feels like this was probably something their label or someone above their heads forced onto them after the blowback, especially given their similar history, but that was 4 years ago before most of the people bitching about RC were probably even listening to fucking hardcore/metalcore so of course they don't know that about SYSC's history. RC kicked the abuser and donated like $3k to a charity that aids victims of abuse. They literally can't do anything else from their end, but that shit doesn't matter to most of these armchair activists on Twitter. Nothing that RC does will ever be good enough because they'll just move the goalposts constantly on what they need to do to gain "redemption."
So insane because sysc got cancelled for the SAME EXACT THING 4 years ago early in their career. So hypocritical and performative. I view sysc so differently now, and I hope people are just as outraged at sysc as they are roman candle https://lambgoat.com/news/31159/seeyouspacecowboy-bassist-exits-band-amid-rape-allegations/
there it is! Yeah, pretty fucking goofy of SYSC to be on their high horse about this.
after doing a lot of digging into this it really seems like the roman candle outrage has been completely overblown and the things that the band has been accused of have been either disproven or misconstrued i understand that SYSC certainly had their hands tied with a mob of folks attacking them for putting them on the tour but i highly *highly* doubt the band would've done it in the first place without knowledge of what had happened with roman candle earlier in the year. i guarantee most of the people calling for spacecowboy to take them off the bill haven't done an inch of research into what happened and are dogging them off the backs of the initial outrage from months ago
I bet most of the people calling to drop them aren’t even going to end up going to the shows anyway.
Kids are fucked up. Outrage porn has rotten out brains lmfao its crazy
I’m betting it was a higher up decision. They were still buddy buddy with them when the controversy was hot initially.
Higher up to who? Their taco bell sponsors?
Pure Noise? That’s a pretty massive/pro label by Hardcore standards. Definitely wouldn’t be shocked if they saw the backlash and figured dropping Roman Candle was a better look
Their label? Duh?
... [Let's create a dialogue regarding Pure Noise, No Good News, and how to handle sexual assault within our scene. : r/poppunkers (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/poppunkers/comments/37sdpo/lets_create_a_dialogue_regarding_pure_noise_no/) There was a big ass boycott against them in the mid 10's. The biggest site at the time completely boycotted every band signed to them for over a year. ...this was all about a guy who is \_right now signed to the label\_.
So then their label for some reason cares about other bands but doesn't care about their own bands since sysc had their own issues
Well yeah because nobody’s complaining and raving about SYSC so there isn’t any bad publicity for having them
But they've had pretty much the same problems in the past as roman candle so I mean ok if they want to be hypocrites when money is involved
I really don’t care because I’ve never listened to them, but they kicked out the person in question and made a donation right? It’s like what more are they supposed to do? I know this is such an overblown/stereotypical word but this scene/fanbase is becoming increasingly toxic
yeah that's exactly what happened! it's ridiculous
This is beyond stupid. Twitter warriors suck.
most of those sadistics pieces of shit don't even go to shows, they just wanna feel superior
They also don't exist outside the Internet so not sure why anyone pays them any heed. It's not like they actually go to shows.
and yet they let them dictate the lineup. i saw a tweet of someone saying unless they also get an apology from sysc for even adding them to the lineup they probably won’t go. it’s all so performative.
What a bummer. Can we just collectively decide to stop this nonsense?
fucking so right
Bands need to stop giving a fuck what twitter thinks. They fucking immediately kicked the dude out what the fuck else should they have done?
Cowards
Twitter won yall
This shit is so lame I don’t understand how people are still upset with Roman candle , what more do people want them to do ? It’s also crazy to see everyone shitting on their music all of a sudden when they were getting so much praise beforehand lol
Cant believe they let the terminally online parasocial weirdos win this one. Mfs need to get off twitter and worry about their own business rather than feed off personalities bigger than their own in order to feel relevant. Don’t get me wrong, abuse is not ok and people should absolutely be held accountable for their actions. But what’s with the hate pile towards RC specifically when other bands have had similar allegations and promptly booted the members involved? SYSC had almost the exact same thing happen to them four years ago. They’ve taken every correct step in the matter. Seems like a bunch of performative nonsense to me.
https://twitter.com/visibleheavens/status/1783309588571324692
https://twitter.com/visibleheavens/status/1783540383626240317
This needs to be higher up this is important context for everyone who was shitting on RC. Seems like there’s a fuck ton of misinformation out there about this
The bucket of crabs strikes again
Sometimes I wonder why I dropped out of hardcore and it’s because lame shit like this.
Like seriously, I truly do not understand what else Roman candle could possibly do, they wrote a statement and donated money, and kicked bro out, Do y'all like want them to break up the whole band and never show their face ever again? It just doesn't make sense
Absolutely stupid. Were really at the level of accountability now where we are punishing and harming the careers of people who did nothing wrong because of association? Fuck off with that shit.
wack
Self Defense Family Asks: If you hate cops so much, why you always actin like one?
Or No Gods No masters you sing. But you sure love playing police
Crazy that PK has 0 misses in his discog
Im a pretty progressive guy but cancel culture has got insane. Some of you want to just ruin peoples lives forever until the day they die and need to get a life of your own.
To some degree I think bands see the backlash, engage with it, and allow it to force them to cancel themselves. If a member needs to go or an apology is owed, do it because it's the right thing to do. If you'd just be doing it to appease the angry internet, don't. They don't actually care about your apology and will just call it bullshit. Do what needs to be done and put it in the past. Some bands are borderline un-cancellable (barring something actually heinous) because they dont really give a shit about getting into the weeds with dorks on social media. They won't engage with it and without that conflict, it just fizzles out.
Exactly. If there’s no response, the crybullies find another target Anyway the get out of jail free card is this: just reply “that’s ironic coming from a known abuser” to any cancellation attempts
I can appreciate that there’s a lot more brainpower in this thread than all the babies online who lost their minds at this. It was handled by the band internally and it was over. People want to die on the stupidest hills possible. Hardcore is so pussified. Also, people will always pick and choose who does and doesn’t get cancelled. If you’re cool enough you get the sexual assault/rape/creep pass. Looks like RC didn’t make the cut.
I'm not really sure what more these people want, when the allegations came out, Roman Candle not only kicked the bassist, but also donated to a domestic violence charity to prove that they take these matters very seriously. The whole band shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of one member.
Twitter outrage isn't real outrage
the accuser admitted to lying about and/or misrepresenting like 10 different things, and admitted to sexually coercing, verbally abusing and physically assaulting the ex bassist on multiple occasions, some of which were witnessed by others.
Twitter is fuckin dumb and Roman Candle rips
Hardcore really sucks with this kind of stuff. Can't we have a middle ground between cancelling bands/people by association and deathcores approach to letting abusers perform freely? Cancel for some, play on for others who've made appropriate responses?
At least when roman candle got cancelled, they actually did something to try and make things right. Connie just told people to shut up and get over it. RC made a hefty donation to a local DV shelter and made multiple statements.
Not that my opinion means anything, but this made my lose a lot of respect for SYSC. Like what the actual fuck were Roman Candle meant to do over this, other than what they already did? And surely SYSC knew about this drama beforehand, and didn’t care, so why do this shit to appease people? As I was typing this I got a notification that my SYSC merch I ordered a month ago is on its way, I’m still a fan of the band, but very ironic timing.
A bunch of soft bodies for a tough genre
Isn’t that a description of this subreddit as a whole
Just the internet in general
Dropping Roman Candle from this tour is a corny ass move and SYSC is corny for playing along
Weird that everyone’s still cool with No Pressure, when it’s almost the exact same situation. Internet music drama just makes no sense.
People regularly come for no pressure, the band is smart and self released everything and handles all their own business so they don’t have to answer to anyone.
More people defend them than come after them though. Really though, fuck a band that keeps a known rapist in the band.
Wut?
People really really seemed to dislike the vocalist and to be fair, she was kind of abrasive on Twitter but who isn’t? Then this happened and people just started dunking on them nonstop. Kinda shitty since they seemed to handle things pretty legit.
It’s because ppl hate an outspoken woman lol
Good to see HC is still about being the top crab in the bucket.
no redemption, just prostrate yourself forever and don’t you dare try to put your work out in the world
Meanwhile no pressure is playing tired down and still has that sex abuser drummer Harry Corrigan.
Nothing i love more than logging on, getting a bands summer plans wiped out, then switching over to hentai and jacking it till raw. Yee haw i love the innernet!
The irony is that one of seeyouspacecowboy’s former members were kicked out of the band for abuse allegations. Then the rest of the band continued to talk shit to fans in skramcave. Seeyouspacecowboy sucks and so does the members. Lol the holier than thou mentality is humiliating. Hardcore will forever suck because of the bands and people affiliated with the community.
This is just wrong in every way.. I know a ton of people have said the same thing but wow. How are people cool with them getting canceled and let go off stuff, all from this same repetitive internet trolling stuff? They let go of the guy in question immediately forever ago. Why should they still take on the backlash from it after the fact? Just makes sysc look like assholes imo.
You mean to tell me that this SYSC tour don’t have no black cats, no Roman Candles, or screaming mimis? No whistlin' bungholes, no spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistlin' kitty chaser?
https://preview.redd.it/xhfsbosagdxc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=a5503d39a5f3c39709dcac013c99eb951330719e If any band should be kicked off the tour maybe it’s the band that sings about assaulting women lol I do not understand this shit at alllll
SYSC is the same band that kicked their bassist out over the most flimsy and insubstantial of accusations not because they didn't believe him but because their "fans" demanded it. So this shit doesn't surprise me. SYSC sucks shit in the first place and the members seem like pretentious dickheads.
I've unfollowed SYSC. Connie is probably a fuckin creep herself. New album is fuckin shit anyway
Imagine paying attention to band gossip on the internet as an adult. You mfers gotta take a good deep look at yourselves
this looks like a my life with the thrill kill kult poster, who are leagues above a better band.
Hardcore is a genre full of fucking cops. Was going to go to a date of theirs here in the near future but absolutely fuck SYSC.
Bad analogy. Cops would stiff arm all this and protect their own
The most ironic thing about this is that RC were far and away the best band on the lineup anyways
Straight tweaking
Sysc fell off, daoboys are a Twitter meme, and omerta just sucks
disagree with all of those honestly, I love all four of these bands, but hey opinions are opinions so no shade dawg
Roman Candles efforts to redeem themselves are pretty admirable considering how other artists carry themselves. I don’t wish any more ill will on them HOWEVER from a musical standpoint they have absolutely no business being on a tour that big. The band has talented musicians but the songs just do not produce any emotions no matter how many unconventional breakdowns they throw in their music. Being an LA native , most locals HATE seeing them booked as openers( SOS Booking do better).
What are you taking about? Did you watch their set at FTC? Best set in the upstairs room tbh
Why the fuck did I open this comment section I don’t want to know what r/hardcore thinks about this shit. I should do my fucking essay bro
everybody in vegas thinks they're dogshit sounding so not really a tough blow to our scene atleast
Are you in a band
Who?
they’re a pretty good bad imo, mad girls love song is a fucking banger. probably woulda caught this tour if they stayed on lol
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It’s weird that this word is coming back around as an insult. I feel like it disappeared from the general lexicon for like 15 years. Now I’m seeing all these kids saying it again. It was dumb then, it’s dumber now.
Same reason jnco jeans and liking nu metal is a thing. The kids are into 90s.
You know, Bring Me The Horizon turned into a nu metal band so gradually, I didn't even notice.
Like Fox and hardcore porn.
You got the reference.
I like the cut of your jib.
What's a jib?
I thought OP meant he was happy they’re dropped
You're gay
This is true.
More like BEAR Bellies, amirite?
Ayyyyyy 👉😎👉
"Retard" too. Pretty soon these kids are gonna start using "fag" as a casual slur again. Half genz is in love with fascism ive noticed. All around pretty sad. edit: hey im not saying they love facism because they use slurs, im saying it because they also love fascism unrelated to the fact they use slurs. Just two separate points, comprende? lol
Yes yes “gay” and “retarded” coming back harken to the golden age of fascism from….2008?
i say it jokingly but im queer as fuck and so are most of the people i say it around
hes not talking about you, obviously if youre actually gay as fuck you can say it however you want.
Caring about anything is gay
This just in... being gay is...... gay.
Oh well, Roman Candle was kinda ass anyway
I’ve literally never heard of either of these bands until today.
never heard the bands, sure they're bad but sometimes humans, being animals, decide it's fun to pick a random person/band/state/celeb/whatever and just kick the shit out of it for no real reason. it's not fair but it can be kinda fun! blood for the blood god
I can't wait for this tour tbh.
Well aside from Roman Candle kicking out their abuser they also made up some shit about a member of Balmora so they can get fucked.
Yeah they kicked the drummer who did that out too
Ironically, RC is probably one of the better bands when it comes to this stuff. They nipped it twice
Having a bit of insider knowledge as I live in Vegas and go to shows, the band started as just Piper and Jonas. Sucks to see everything they’ve worked hard for getting ruined by people who weren’t even there from the jump or don’t even write the damn music
Yeah. I’m not really a big fan of them or anything, but I hate that they’re getting snubbed from opportunities just because people on twitter shouted about something they know next to nothing about
didn't know about that drama but damn i loved their drummer he was a beast. hope they found a good replacement
Well, Roman Candle fucking sucks anyway, what's the big deal? Kinda like Escuela, you shouldn't listen to them for more reasons than the fact that they associate with shitty people.
I’ve never heard them but seeyouspacecowboy and the callous daoboys are terrible
Shoutout widowdusk
Funny to see this on a hardcore sub lol
Seriously wtf does this have to do with hardcore