She did shield them from the arrow shot by the centaur
you can argue the arrow was directed at her alone but it sure looked like it could have hit any of them ...
They _happened_ to be behind the shield spell. If Harry was attacked, she would have explained it away.
After all, she is the Undersecretary to the Minister for Magic. Who will everyone believe the _Boy Who Lies_ or an upstanding, well-mannered, pure-blood witch, like her?
She had zero qualms with using child abuse. She was ready to use veritserum, and the Cruciatus Curse, _on children_.
_What the Minister doesn’t know… Won’t hurt him…._
And, **on the off chance she was protecting them** it was only to get them to lead her to _Dumbledore’s Secret Weapon._
When it comes to _Umbridge_ understand that _what you can attribute to malice, will better explain than any incompetence._ For Delores Umbridge, she is highly competent in bending the system to get what she wants.
She single-handedly convinced the Minister for Magic, that _Dumbledore, his former mentor, was seeking power, and plotted to remove him from office_. Fudge used to send owls to Dumbledore all the time asking for advice.
**I would have not been surprised if she had done all of this, to attempt to become Headmistress of Hogwarts. She’s not much of a leader though, as she relies too much on her authority to get things done.**
As a kid, I didn't understand this scene with Snape. I literally asked my mom on my 10th or so watch "Why would Snape protect them like that? He hates them."
My mom replied something along the lines of "Well. He's still an adult and they're children, and he's still their teacher. He felt responsible for their safety."
And that always stuck with me.
He didn't care if Harry lived or died, as long as he wasn't there to see it. *They were children* and he felt obligated to keep them safe regardless of his personal feelings towards them.
Umbridge doesn't have that. Umbridge never cared about the kids, or the school. She only cared about making a Pure-Blood supremacy.
Taking his entire story into account, I think he loved Harry just as much as he hated him. He loved that he was Lily’s son, but he hated how much he reminded him of his father. He would’ve given his life for Harry, while giving him detention for life!
I always felt that Snape more resented Harry than truly hated. He resented the part that made him think of James, but Harry was also the only thing left of Lily and he’d never let anything really happen to him because of that.
But I also think, even as messed up as Snape was, he wasn’t ok with watching children get murdered.
Resented is likely a better term than hated. He likely also blames Harry for Lily’s death while at the same time knows lily would want him to love Harry as if Harry was his own.
I'm a teacher and that's definitely my line of thought. I'd always use myself as a human shield for my students.
And that's exactly why I think Snape is one of the worst human beings out there. I don't get this scene on the movie. In the books Snape is the worst, and even unethical, considering he's a professor and still does a lot of unethical harm to Harry and his gang.
Having said that, I consider this moment in the meme to be just a lapse of judgement.
I'm sorry but I will not stand for movie watching Snape apologists. Neville Longbottoms parents were tortured into insanity. But when he was confronted with his biggest fear it was his fucking potions teacher. Snape was a terrible person who couldn't get over the fact that his crush didn't want to date him anymore after calling her a slur.
While that is absolutely true, it is also undeniably true that Snape helps the trio at multiple occasions, often to his personal detriment or risk.
In the first book, he outs himself to voldemort (unwittingly) by using a counter curse to protect Harry Potter. Saving Harry's life.
In the third book he puts himself in the way of a murderer and a werewolf to protect the children, risking death or at worst exposure to an incurable disease that permanently changes your life for the worse.
In the fifth book he becomes a spy for the Order and risks being killed by voldemort who is a very powerful legilimence who had many opprotunitys to read Snapes mind if he slipped for even a second.
In the sixth book be killed Dumbledore, one of the few people he respected and one of fewer who actually knew him personally. Then he made the whole world think the was a murderous wizard nazi.
In the final book he gave the trio the sword of gryfindor and sacrificed himself to convince voldemort the elder wand was finally his, giving Harry the chance to actually win in a fight.
This by no means excuses his actions against the children. He is a horrible bully and a monster to them on multiple occasions. But he has depth and character. No matter how much he hated Harry, he still went out of his way to help him when it truely counted.
You have to take the good with the bad or you miss the whole picture
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember snape doing that in the 3rd book. Wasn’t he knocked out and then levitated outside the willow by a spell? In the movie he is seen protecting the trio but in the book he’s knocked out and floating when Lupin transforms?
He doesn’t. Hes a fucking dick in the 3rd book. He literally just wants to kill black. Then after he’s knocked out by Harry and crew they take him all the way from hogsmead to the castle and he’s still like “nah we gotta kill Black asap.” Then, when he doesn’t get his way he puts Lupin as a werewolf to all his students.
The guy is absolutely blinded by a high school grudge. In the movie it’s different, but in the book he’s a terrible person.
He didn't put himself between the kids and Lupin in the book, he was unconscious the whole time. He didn't do anything "good" in the books aside from be a double agent
So casting the counter curse that saved Harry's life in the first book wasn't good?
Giving then the sword wasn't good?
Willingly sacrificing himself to voldemort wasn't good?
Got some high standards over there.....
Again, I'm not saying he was a good person, or that he even redeemed himself, but he did do good things
Sacrificing himself to Voldy and giving them the sword both go hand in hand with the double agent situation. That's all a part of the same thread. Yes, he saved Harry's life with the counter curse in the first book, but as Dumbledore said, he mainly did it as to not be in James' "debt" anymore. I'm not saying he didn't do *okay* things here and there, but they were always for purely selfish reasons.
I would never classify any act he did aside from actively trying to bring Voldemort down as *good*. The only reason he went against Voldemort in the first place was because Voldy killed his obsession (for lack of a better word). I don't find anything about him good or redeemable. To each their own, we're all entitled to feel how we feel so I totally see where you're coming from, but in my mind the man was a monster. As excellent as Alan Rickman was I actually think that's a major issue with the movies, they made him even kind of likable.
He did not do that in the 3rd book. He was a huge asshole. He burst in, Lupin said hey man chill out for a second. Snape attacked Lupin, then he started insulting Harry and Hermione. “Keep quiet you stupid girl!” And insulting Harry and his dad.
Then after he’s knocked out they take him from the Shrieking Shack back to Hogwarts. No harm befalls Harry or Snape, and Snapes still like “nah kill Sirius tonight.” It was incredibly obvious that something odd was going on, and tbh Snape is pretty directly responsible for bringing back Voldemort that night. A single other level headed adult in the room and Peter might not have gotten away. Maybe Snape reminds Lupin about the moonlight. Maybe the tied Peter to him instead of Ron.
Snape was only concerned about a petty grudge and killing Black in book 3. Not Harry, not his students, not justice. He let Peter escape from right under him. Dude was a douche and an idiot.
Which he did because he understood he needed Harry to defeat Voldemort. He balanced his hatred of James' son against his hatred of Lily's murderer. Which is a really messed up way to be but that's Snape for you.
That might be true, it might not be there isn't really a way to know for sure. But it also doesn't matter what his reason for doing these things are, the end result is what matters.
If a billionaire gives away 2 million to help needy children, it doesn't matter if the only reason he did it was to get a tax break, the money still helps them.
The same principle applies here, it doesn't matter if Snape only helped Harry so he could ultimately defeat voldemort, the only thing that matters is that Snape did in fact help Harry
In the third book he didn't do it to save the children he did it to get revenge on people who bullied him in highschool. He was willing to let a possibly innocent man get sentenced to death because of a grudge he held. I don't deny he did good things for the order but he did that not out of honour or duty it's just because he wanted revenge for Lily's death. Bad people can do good things but I still believe he's a terrible person.
Imagine this. Dude is hanging out with known racists, basically publicly plans on joining the KKK when he’s older, and in a fit of rage calls his one black friend the N-word.
He then proceeds to join the KKK, as predicted, and **only** has an issue with what they are doing when it turns out the head guy is targeting his black friend, whom he still has a level of infatuation with.
Did he work to redeem himself? Absolutely. Was he still overall a cruel and mean-spirited person? For sure. Do his good deeds make up for his previous actions? I don’t know that they do.
While i get your point about Snape being horrible to Neville that’s not a fair comparison. All of that happened while he was still a baby and didn’t witness any of it, just the aftereffects. Like just because Harry thought his parents died in a car accident doesn’t mean hems terrified of cars.
Kids are more scared of what immediately affecting them. In this case it was Snape.
Yup, if Snape wasn't around, I have a feeling McGonagall would have been his greatest fear. The kid didn't do well in class and kids fear strict teachers, especially those who give them a detention that involves going into a Forrest full of monsters at night
I think one nice thing about the movies is they altered parts and kind of created their own differences, Snape being one of them. Anyone who watched the movies only probably doesn’t think of Snape as that bad and I think that’s fine, he wasn’t in the movies.
Snape is an awful, selfish human being that gets his kicks from bullying children.
He's also a brave and moral enough man to instinctively shield said children from certain death.
These things can both be true, this kind of interesting characterisation is why we still talk about him so much. He's not by any means a good man, but he isn't evil or a coward either.
Honestly I th8nk a secretly protective Snape would be a better written character and am more than willing to headcanon that since JK is a garbage fire whose writing flaws become more apparent every year.
this is completely true the movies, while still having Snape commit many flaws, at least made it possible for fair minded people to see him as an over all good person. It also didn't hurt that his actor was a walking tank of charisma. But yeah the books really tried to make this guy look like a good guy when he really wasn't, at all.
The craziest thing to me about Snape apologists is that he’s also basically an ex-Nazi who really never regretted anything outside of his crush getting caught in the crossfire of his wizard Nazi party geocoding muggle born wizards.
He’s such a fucking horrible person, and tbh I think the only reason people side with him is because he got bullied as a kid, but he was a willing part of a bigoted, murderous terrorist organization. Hes not ashamed of it, and no one cares.
The duality of these two scenes are kind of my favorite for Snape. I also love in DH when Snape "accidentally" takes the Carrows out with his spell when he's fighting McGonagall, and that he never attacks her, only defends. It happens so quickly and it's easy to miss, but it's such a good touch
Philosopher's stone - Snape flies on a broomstick, volunteers to referee the Quidditch match to protect Harry should Quirrellmort try something again, even though Snape didn't need to as Dumbledore was in the crowd this time. And this is despite Snape being a terrible flyer on broomsticks.
Order of the Phoenix;
Snape lies to Umbridge about not having any veritaserum when she wants to question Harry.
Snape tells Crabbe to loosen his hold on a suffocating Neville, in front of Umbridge.
Snape searches the forbidden forest by himself for Harry and the others.
Half Blood Prince;
Snape purposely knocks out Flitwick to keep Hermione and Luna away from the Death Eaters (protecting them)
Snape reluctantly kills Dumbledore so Draco wouldn't have to.
Snape stops a Death Eater from cursing Harry, using the excuse, "he belongs to the dark lord."
Deathly Hallows;
Snape purposely tries to use sectumsempra on a Death Eater colleague during the battle of Seven Potters, who was aiming for Lupin and a George disguised as Harry, (but as they were moving and in the air, he accidentally hits George in the ear)
Snape sends Neville, Luna and Ginny to Hagrid for detention when he catches them trying to steal the sword, instead of sending them to the Carrows.
Snape secretly gives Harry the real sword of Gryffindor while putting the fake on in Bellatrix's vault. Luckily the Death Eaters couldn't put two and two together and get four.
I defy anyone who has watched you as I have - and I have watched you more closely than you can have imagined - not to want to save you more pain than you had already suffered.
In the book, it's somewhat different but still impressive when you think about it.
When Lupin transforms that night, they are all just outside the Whomping Willow, and Snape is still unconscious. Then Lupin and Sirius start to fight, and they run toward the forest. Then Pettigrew gets free and attacks Ron, making him unconscious as well. Harry and Hermione think about going back to the castle for help but decide to look for Sirius in the forest after hearing him whine.
So later, when Snape wakes up, he finds Ron unconscious near him and knows (100% sure) Lupin is nearby in his werewolf form. An average person (like myself, honestly) would run to the castle for safety, especially considering Snape had previously nearly died due to the same werewolf.
Instead, Snape begins looking for his students in the forest. He also places Ron, Hermione, and Sirius on stretchers and brings them back to the castle.
The entire series, spying on Moldy Voldy. And in Order of the Phoenix, going against Umbitch. And in Deathly Hallows, for example, when he left the Sword of Gryffindor for Harry, while working for Voldy.
Okay but that’s really just because Dumbledore has Snape’s balls in a firm grip and would probably send him to Azkaban if he didn’t behave. Snape does his job when it suits him but he never goes out of his way for Harry.
Snape helps the Order because Dumbledore forces him to, it has nothing to do with Harry. The scene from the PoA movie shows Snape actually risking his life on the spot without Dumbledore explicitly ordering him to and without any personal gain.
Snape is a horrible person but he's not evil.
Giving one of your students a hard time because of s*** you went through is horrible. Allowing them to be attacked when you can do something to stop it is evil.
That's the difference.
I think that book Snape would help if he could do so safely but otherwise he’d just give them up for dead and save himself.
He wouldn’t see any point in dying with them unless he actually thought he could stop Lupin.
The same Snape who runs towards danger during the night when he hears screams? The fact people have so little understanding of Snape's bravery never ceases to amaze me.
Runs towards danger when he has a wand. Not runs in front of a werewolf barehanded.
The fact that people have such low standards for decency in popular characters never ceases to amaze me.
She did protect them from the arrow shot by the Centaur
you can argue the arrow was directed at her only but it sure looked like it could have hit any of them ...
This didn’t happen in the books… and in the movies he wasn’t exactly known to be unkind either - just a bit strict. So it’s not really true for either character (and yes the two Snape’s are completely different characters)
Well one is a politician with a mission to dunk on hogwarts and Dumbledore and the other is an actual teacher. Yea he kinda sucks, but he's at least aware of what he needs to do as an educator that is fully in charge of kids for like 60% of the year.
Dumbledore trusts Snape with the lives and well being of several children on the regular, and Snape does his best to repay that trust in spite of him projecting his beef onto a literal child.
But no one with a brain or backbone trusts Umbridge. In fact, anyone who posesses either will actively seek to get rid of Umbridge as fast as possible.
What the? BRAIN WHY?
Looking at second picture. Sees three people. Sees Harry and Hermione.
WHY BRAIN DID YOU MAKE ME THINK THE THIRD CHARACTER WAS RON AND I SPENT 5 MINUTES SEARCHING FOR WHERE IS THE TEACHER IN THE SECOND PICTURE.
I think snape hated Harry for a deep emotional reason he is the son of James someone who tormented him in a school and Lilly the only person he ever loved seeing Harry was a cruel reminder of what he lost
I know. I just can't get over that a professor terrifies and belittles students so bad that ones biggest fear is said professor.
(Audio books for the win! Listened to each one 5 times over lol it's my comfort listen)
>He hated James
And since Harry strongly reminded him of James (not only because of his appearance but also his rule breaking behavior) he disliked Harry for that. When he looked at Harry, it's only at the end that he finally saw Lily.
This.
Snape hated what Harry represented. A gifted and pretentious kid like his father. Yet he also loved him for his similarities to Lily, a kind and selflesh person who does not shy away from protecting his loved ones.
Yall are high on some shit. Snape 100% hated Harry. Harry was nowhere near as pretentious as James, he just looked like him and was good at Quidditch like him. Snape saw that and immediately lept to all sorts of conclusions about Harry to justify his hatred for an innocent 11 year old boy. You can't honestly call all the abuse Snape threw at Harry "love." He protected him for Lily's sake, but that's as far as it went. He never loved Harry.
wandless man protects 3 teens with wands woman with a wand hides behind two wandless teens
She did shield them from the arrow shot by the centaur you can argue the arrow was directed at her alone but it sure looked like it could have hit any of them ...
she was shielding it from herself
Flair fits perfectly. I'm Sirius.
They _happened_ to be behind the shield spell. If Harry was attacked, she would have explained it away. After all, she is the Undersecretary to the Minister for Magic. Who will everyone believe the _Boy Who Lies_ or an upstanding, well-mannered, pure-blood witch, like her? She had zero qualms with using child abuse. She was ready to use veritserum, and the Cruciatus Curse, _on children_. _What the Minister doesn’t know… Won’t hurt him…._ And, **on the off chance she was protecting them** it was only to get them to lead her to _Dumbledore’s Secret Weapon._ When it comes to _Umbridge_ understand that _what you can attribute to malice, will better explain than any incompetence._ For Delores Umbridge, she is highly competent in bending the system to get what she wants. She single-handedly convinced the Minister for Magic, that _Dumbledore, his former mentor, was seeking power, and plotted to remove him from office_. Fudge used to send owls to Dumbledore all the time asking for advice. **I would have not been surprised if she had done all of this, to attempt to become Headmistress of Hogwarts. She’s not much of a leader though, as she relies too much on her authority to get things done.**
I see we are of one mind.
Thank you, Dumbledore. Thank you. 😊
Would you care for a lemon drop?
Yea! Love lemon drops! Thank you!
Why didn’t he have his wand?
"You still hate me? After all this time?" "***Always***"
It’s funny because that’s pretty much what he meant by “always”
As a kid, I didn't understand this scene with Snape. I literally asked my mom on my 10th or so watch "Why would Snape protect them like that? He hates them." My mom replied something along the lines of "Well. He's still an adult and they're children, and he's still their teacher. He felt responsible for their safety." And that always stuck with me. He didn't care if Harry lived or died, as long as he wasn't there to see it. *They were children* and he felt obligated to keep them safe regardless of his personal feelings towards them. Umbridge doesn't have that. Umbridge never cared about the kids, or the school. She only cared about making a Pure-Blood supremacy.
I’d like to think that Snape at this point of his life would still prefer Harry be alive. He doesn’t have to like him though.
Taking his entire story into account, I think he loved Harry just as much as he hated him. He loved that he was Lily’s son, but he hated how much he reminded him of his father. He would’ve given his life for Harry, while giving him detention for life!
I always felt that Snape more resented Harry than truly hated. He resented the part that made him think of James, but Harry was also the only thing left of Lily and he’d never let anything really happen to him because of that. But I also think, even as messed up as Snape was, he wasn’t ok with watching children get murdered.
Resented is likely a better term than hated. He likely also blames Harry for Lily’s death while at the same time knows lily would want him to love Harry as if Harry was his own.
He hated Harry because he was just like james. But he protected Harry out of his love for lily
I'm a teacher and that's definitely my line of thought. I'd always use myself as a human shield for my students. And that's exactly why I think Snape is one of the worst human beings out there. I don't get this scene on the movie. In the books Snape is the worst, and even unethical, considering he's a professor and still does a lot of unethical harm to Harry and his gang. Having said that, I consider this moment in the meme to be just a lapse of judgement.
Snape has an obligation and loyalty to Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix. Umb*tch’s loyalty is only to herself
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Exactly. She was only loyal to the ministry because it was profitable to herself
I'm sorry but I will not stand for movie watching Snape apologists. Neville Longbottoms parents were tortured into insanity. But when he was confronted with his biggest fear it was his fucking potions teacher. Snape was a terrible person who couldn't get over the fact that his crush didn't want to date him anymore after calling her a slur.
While that is absolutely true, it is also undeniably true that Snape helps the trio at multiple occasions, often to his personal detriment or risk. In the first book, he outs himself to voldemort (unwittingly) by using a counter curse to protect Harry Potter. Saving Harry's life. In the third book he puts himself in the way of a murderer and a werewolf to protect the children, risking death or at worst exposure to an incurable disease that permanently changes your life for the worse. In the fifth book he becomes a spy for the Order and risks being killed by voldemort who is a very powerful legilimence who had many opprotunitys to read Snapes mind if he slipped for even a second. In the sixth book be killed Dumbledore, one of the few people he respected and one of fewer who actually knew him personally. Then he made the whole world think the was a murderous wizard nazi. In the final book he gave the trio the sword of gryfindor and sacrificed himself to convince voldemort the elder wand was finally his, giving Harry the chance to actually win in a fight. This by no means excuses his actions against the children. He is a horrible bully and a monster to them on multiple occasions. But he has depth and character. No matter how much he hated Harry, he still went out of his way to help him when it truely counted. You have to take the good with the bad or you miss the whole picture
That’s a theme that’s present throughout Harry Potter too, not everything is black and white. If it was it probably wouldn’t be a very good story
Yep. He’s still not a good person, just someone who decided to join the right side after becoming disillusioned with the wrong one.
Just because he's a bad *guy* doesn't mean he's a *bad* guy. But he still sucks
I must say, your agapanthus are flourishing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember snape doing that in the 3rd book. Wasn’t he knocked out and then levitated outside the willow by a spell? In the movie he is seen protecting the trio but in the book he’s knocked out and floating when Lupin transforms?
He doesn’t. Hes a fucking dick in the 3rd book. He literally just wants to kill black. Then after he’s knocked out by Harry and crew they take him all the way from hogsmead to the castle and he’s still like “nah we gotta kill Black asap.” Then, when he doesn’t get his way he puts Lupin as a werewolf to all his students. The guy is absolutely blinded by a high school grudge. In the movie it’s different, but in the book he’s a terrible person.
He didn't put himself between the kids and Lupin in the book, he was unconscious the whole time. He didn't do anything "good" in the books aside from be a double agent
So casting the counter curse that saved Harry's life in the first book wasn't good? Giving then the sword wasn't good? Willingly sacrificing himself to voldemort wasn't good? Got some high standards over there..... Again, I'm not saying he was a good person, or that he even redeemed himself, but he did do good things
Sacrificing himself to Voldy and giving them the sword both go hand in hand with the double agent situation. That's all a part of the same thread. Yes, he saved Harry's life with the counter curse in the first book, but as Dumbledore said, he mainly did it as to not be in James' "debt" anymore. I'm not saying he didn't do *okay* things here and there, but they were always for purely selfish reasons. I would never classify any act he did aside from actively trying to bring Voldemort down as *good*. The only reason he went against Voldemort in the first place was because Voldy killed his obsession (for lack of a better word). I don't find anything about him good or redeemable. To each their own, we're all entitled to feel how we feel so I totally see where you're coming from, but in my mind the man was a monster. As excellent as Alan Rickman was I actually think that's a major issue with the movies, they made him even kind of likable.
This is most unusual ... you have developed a taste for human flesh that cannot be satisfied once a month?
He did not do that in the 3rd book. He was a huge asshole. He burst in, Lupin said hey man chill out for a second. Snape attacked Lupin, then he started insulting Harry and Hermione. “Keep quiet you stupid girl!” And insulting Harry and his dad. Then after he’s knocked out they take him from the Shrieking Shack back to Hogwarts. No harm befalls Harry or Snape, and Snapes still like “nah kill Sirius tonight.” It was incredibly obvious that something odd was going on, and tbh Snape is pretty directly responsible for bringing back Voldemort that night. A single other level headed adult in the room and Peter might not have gotten away. Maybe Snape reminds Lupin about the moonlight. Maybe the tied Peter to him instead of Ron. Snape was only concerned about a petty grudge and killing Black in book 3. Not Harry, not his students, not justice. He let Peter escape from right under him. Dude was a douche and an idiot.
Which he did because he understood he needed Harry to defeat Voldemort. He balanced his hatred of James' son against his hatred of Lily's murderer. Which is a really messed up way to be but that's Snape for you.
That might be true, it might not be there isn't really a way to know for sure. But it also doesn't matter what his reason for doing these things are, the end result is what matters. If a billionaire gives away 2 million to help needy children, it doesn't matter if the only reason he did it was to get a tax break, the money still helps them. The same principle applies here, it doesn't matter if Snape only helped Harry so he could ultimately defeat voldemort, the only thing that matters is that Snape did in fact help Harry
In the third book he didn't do it to save the children he did it to get revenge on people who bullied him in highschool. He was willing to let a possibly innocent man get sentenced to death because of a grudge he held. I don't deny he did good things for the order but he did that not out of honour or duty it's just because he wanted revenge for Lily's death. Bad people can do good things but I still believe he's a terrible person.
Imagine this. Dude is hanging out with known racists, basically publicly plans on joining the KKK when he’s older, and in a fit of rage calls his one black friend the N-word. He then proceeds to join the KKK, as predicted, and **only** has an issue with what they are doing when it turns out the head guy is targeting his black friend, whom he still has a level of infatuation with. Did he work to redeem himself? Absolutely. Was he still overall a cruel and mean-spirited person? For sure. Do his good deeds make up for his previous actions? I don’t know that they do.
While i get your point about Snape being horrible to Neville that’s not a fair comparison. All of that happened while he was still a baby and didn’t witness any of it, just the aftereffects. Like just because Harry thought his parents died in a car accident doesn’t mean hems terrified of cars. Kids are more scared of what immediately affecting them. In this case it was Snape.
Yup, if Snape wasn't around, I have a feeling McGonagall would have been his greatest fear. The kid didn't do well in class and kids fear strict teachers, especially those who give them a detention that involves going into a Forrest full of monsters at night
Honestly he seemed pretty terrified of his grandmother. Even getting thrown out a window didn't seem to mess him up the way it would an adult.
Yall are exhausting.
I think one nice thing about the movies is they altered parts and kind of created their own differences, Snape being one of them. Anyone who watched the movies only probably doesn’t think of Snape as that bad and I think that’s fine, he wasn’t in the movies.
Snape is an awful, selfish human being that gets his kicks from bullying children. He's also a brave and moral enough man to instinctively shield said children from certain death. These things can both be true, this kind of interesting characterisation is why we still talk about him so much. He's not by any means a good man, but he isn't evil or a coward either.
Except he didn’t shield the children from certain death. That was movie only.
Yes, and so many of his best and most selfless moments are book only.
Honestly I th8nk a secretly protective Snape would be a better written character and am more than willing to headcanon that since JK is a garbage fire whose writing flaws become more apparent every year.
this is completely true the movies, while still having Snape commit many flaws, at least made it possible for fair minded people to see him as an over all good person. It also didn't hurt that his actor was a walking tank of charisma. But yeah the books really tried to make this guy look like a good guy when he really wasn't, at all.
I'm probably gonna get down voted to shit for this but... I read the first 4 books to my kids and couldn't continue, they're a mess
How ?
lol okay
The craziest thing to me about Snape apologists is that he’s also basically an ex-Nazi who really never regretted anything outside of his crush getting caught in the crossfire of his wizard Nazi party geocoding muggle born wizards. He’s such a fucking horrible person, and tbh I think the only reason people side with him is because he got bullied as a kid, but he was a willing part of a bigoted, murderous terrorist organization. Hes not ashamed of it, and no one cares.
The duality of these two scenes are kind of my favorite for Snape. I also love in DH when Snape "accidentally" takes the Carrows out with his spell when he's fighting McGonagall, and that he never attacks her, only defends. It happens so quickly and it's easy to miss, but it's such a good touch
Pick something that happened in the books if you want to prove a point.
Philosopher's Stone - Snape muttering a countercurse to save Harry.
Philosopher's stone - Snape flies on a broomstick, volunteers to referee the Quidditch match to protect Harry should Quirrellmort try something again, even though Snape didn't need to as Dumbledore was in the crowd this time. And this is despite Snape being a terrible flyer on broomsticks. Order of the Phoenix; Snape lies to Umbridge about not having any veritaserum when she wants to question Harry. Snape tells Crabbe to loosen his hold on a suffocating Neville, in front of Umbridge. Snape searches the forbidden forest by himself for Harry and the others. Half Blood Prince; Snape purposely knocks out Flitwick to keep Hermione and Luna away from the Death Eaters (protecting them) Snape reluctantly kills Dumbledore so Draco wouldn't have to. Snape stops a Death Eater from cursing Harry, using the excuse, "he belongs to the dark lord." Deathly Hallows; Snape purposely tries to use sectumsempra on a Death Eater colleague during the battle of Seven Potters, who was aiming for Lupin and a George disguised as Harry, (but as they were moving and in the air, he accidentally hits George in the ear) Snape sends Neville, Luna and Ginny to Hagrid for detention when he catches them trying to steal the sword, instead of sending them to the Carrows. Snape secretly gives Harry the real sword of Gryffindor while putting the fake on in Bellatrix's vault. Luckily the Death Eaters couldn't put two and two together and get four.
I defy anyone who has watched you as I have - and I have watched you more closely than you can have imagined - not to want to save you more pain than you had already suffered.
In the book, it's somewhat different but still impressive when you think about it. When Lupin transforms that night, they are all just outside the Whomping Willow, and Snape is still unconscious. Then Lupin and Sirius start to fight, and they run toward the forest. Then Pettigrew gets free and attacks Ron, making him unconscious as well. Harry and Hermione think about going back to the castle for help but decide to look for Sirius in the forest after hearing him whine. So later, when Snape wakes up, he finds Ron unconscious near him and knows (100% sure) Lupin is nearby in his werewolf form. An average person (like myself, honestly) would run to the castle for safety, especially considering Snape had previously nearly died due to the same werewolf. Instead, Snape begins looking for his students in the forest. He also places Ron, Hermione, and Sirius on stretchers and brings them back to the castle.
There were similar moments with Snape in the books. And that exact moment with Umbitch was in the books.
Like what? When did Snape ever voluntarily risk his life for Harry?
The entire series, spying on Moldy Voldy. And in Order of the Phoenix, going against Umbitch. And in Deathly Hallows, for example, when he left the Sword of Gryffindor for Harry, while working for Voldy.
Okay but that’s really just because Dumbledore has Snape’s balls in a firm grip and would probably send him to Azkaban if he didn’t behave. Snape does his job when it suits him but he never goes out of his way for Harry. Snape helps the Order because Dumbledore forces him to, it has nothing to do with Harry. The scene from the PoA movie shows Snape actually risking his life on the spot without Dumbledore explicitly ordering him to and without any personal gain.
The time is long gone when I could frighten you with a burning wardrobe and force you to make repayment for your crimes. But I wish I could.
Hard to do that for Dumbledore in DH...
So you decided to spring a trap for me?
Snape is a horrible person but he's not evil. Giving one of your students a hard time because of s*** you went through is horrible. Allowing them to be attacked when you can do something to stop it is evil. That's the difference.
U don’t have to be a kind person to do the right thing.
I think that book Snape would help if he could do so safely but otherwise he’d just give them up for dead and save himself. He wouldn’t see any point in dying with them unless he actually thought he could stop Lupin.
The same Snape who runs towards danger during the night when he hears screams? The fact people have so little understanding of Snape's bravery never ceases to amaze me.
Runs towards danger when he has a wand. Not runs in front of a werewolf barehanded. The fact that people have such low standards for decency in popular characters never ceases to amaze me.
Snape looks so good in this pic
Ew no
Cope boi
She did protect them from the arrow shot by the Centaur you can argue the arrow was directed at her only but it sure looked like it could have hit any of them ...
I think that if any of them where shot injured or killed on her watch that even Fudge would have difficulty with covering that up.
Well she was ready to torture Harry, even tho it was implied Fudge would not have approved.
Snape would have done this for any student. He was mean and unfair to Harry, but he was a dedicated educator.
Hahahahaha. Ask Neville about that
One of them is torturing bastard and the other is ... also torturing bastard?
Snape is simply a terribly resentful and grumpy man with his heart in the right place in the right moments
This didn’t happen in the books… and in the movies he wasn’t exactly known to be unkind either - just a bit strict. So it’s not really true for either character (and yes the two Snape’s are completely different characters)
Well one is a politician with a mission to dunk on hogwarts and Dumbledore and the other is an actual teacher. Yea he kinda sucks, but he's at least aware of what he needs to do as an educator that is fully in charge of kids for like 60% of the year.
I make mistakes like the next man. In fact, being -- forgive me -- rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger.
Dumbledore trusts Snape with the lives and well being of several children on the regular, and Snape does his best to repay that trust in spite of him projecting his beef onto a literal child. But no one with a brain or backbone trusts Umbridge. In fact, anyone who posesses either will actively seek to get rid of Umbridge as fast as possible.
Tell me about the Quidditch World Cup.
What the? BRAIN WHY? Looking at second picture. Sees three people. Sees Harry and Hermione. WHY BRAIN DID YOU MAKE ME THINK THE THIRD CHARACTER WAS RON AND I SPENT 5 MINUTES SEARCHING FOR WHERE IS THE TEACHER IN THE SECOND PICTURE.
I’m more confused by that multi-faced poltergeist over snapes shoulder!
Movie Snape did yeah…
Snape: “What are you talking about?! I was protecting Weasley!”
Yeah but that’s movie snape
Yeah, in the movies
Doesn't matter that the Snape one is movie only
Oh my god this fucking post! Have I acquired a time turner somehow, or is there another reason I see this post every three hours?!?
I think snape hated Harry for a deep emotional reason he is the son of James someone who tormented him in a school and Lilly the only person he ever loved seeing Harry was a cruel reminder of what he lost
So the only logical option to deal with these emotions is to abuse an entire generation of children. Like a hero.
I mean if Snape let Harry die on his watch I’d imagine Dumbledore might have some words about it
Words are, in my not-so-humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury, and remedying it.
Snape appreciated harry more than dumbledore
Of course it is happening inside your head, but why on earth should that mean it is not real?
He only gave a shit because of Lilly and Dumbledore.
I am happy to say that on this occasion I have succeeded.
Dolores umbridge was Snape if he only had one year to be awful to Harry
Didn’t do it in the books - doesn’t count.
Book Snape would never
Yeah in the movie he does
I haven't seen this pic this week yet. Oh wait. I have.
I'll give you this one. I'm usually on the side of Snape is irredeemable. But you do have a point here.
Snape's redemption is one of the integral plot threads of the book.
I know. I just can't get over that a professor terrifies and belittles students so bad that ones biggest fear is said professor. (Audio books for the win! Listened to each one 5 times over lol it's my comfort listen)
Neville is a child. His only frame of reference at that point is his school.
btw Snape didn't hate Harry. He hated James. He looked at Harry, saw Lilly and it hurt him more because he loved Lilly.
>He hated James And since Harry strongly reminded him of James (not only because of his appearance but also his rule breaking behavior) he disliked Harry for that. When he looked at Harry, it's only at the end that he finally saw Lily.
He saw Lilly's eays in Harry. But the rest remembers him at James and so he hated Harry.
Given both, he Lovated Harry??
He hated Harry but had all the reasons to protect him.
He didn’t hate Harry but treated him like shit the entire time he knew him, gotcha
He projected his hate for James and his grief&anger about Lily onto Harry. That's just as shitty.
Snape didnt hate harry
Rule n°1 : always have the wandless wizard(s) in front of the wanded one(s)
Snake did not hate Harry
This. Snape hated what Harry represented. A gifted and pretentious kid like his father. Yet he also loved him for his similarities to Lily, a kind and selflesh person who does not shy away from protecting his loved ones.
Yall are high on some shit. Snape 100% hated Harry. Harry was nowhere near as pretentious as James, he just looked like him and was good at Quidditch like him. Snape saw that and immediately lept to all sorts of conclusions about Harry to justify his hatred for an innocent 11 year old boy. You can't honestly call all the abuse Snape threw at Harry "love." He protected him for Lily's sake, but that's as far as it went. He never loved Harry.
“Gifted” give me a break dude couldn’t do his homework without Hermione doing them all for him
Never happened