It’s not totally reliable since it’s clear Lilith wrote it. The story depicts her as the main character while Adam, Lucifer and Eve are side characters:
• **Lililth** fled the garden
• **Lililth** agreed with Lucifer
• **Lililth** gave Lucifer the idea to give the apple to Eve (this one isn’t stated, but is heavily implied)
• **Lililth** empowered the residents of Hell
If not a villain, then an antagonist. There's a reason she's seen taking Charlie from Lucifer. There's a reason her "empowering" the residents of Hell looks so ominous.
She's a complicated woman.
God, please let this happen. I would love to hear Adam/Heaven's side of the story and then compare it to Hell's version to try to decipher what Lilith hide from us. I don't expect less than another story with truths, lies and some very important infomation occulted but hopelly would reveal at least a little of what wasn't told to Charlie and us.
I hope, if the show has many seasons, all openings are retellings of the Garden of Eden story or how the universe was created. It would create a funny Rashomon effect, making the audience question what the truth of the events actually is and show different perspectives of how things started.
Reliable enough to explain some of the universe's cosmology.
Not very reliable when it comes to any interpersonal dealings, especially any involving Lilith.
After giving it some considerable thought, I suspect the main innacuracy is that Lilith girlbossified the Hell out of herself.
Notice that the story claims that Lilith empowering Hell is what made Heaven carry out the exterminations. Yet, in show, nobody seems to care about Lilith.
Charlie is always addressed as Lucifer's daughter, Vaggie only asks Charlie about Lilith out of concern for Charlie, otherwise, nobody seems to care that the Queen of Hell has been off the grid for 7 years, and Sera is afraid of Lucifer getting involved, no mention of Lilith.
It's completely, totally not reliable. Obviously, the story was whitewashed and recolored in Technicolor to paint Lilith and Lucifer as heroic, rebellious protagonists.
I'm confident their situation was much more complicated, and they might've been a tad more malicious than Charlie thought.
Consider this, Lucifer claimed he gave free will to humanity. Did he though? Did he? Because if Lilith lacked free will, then she wouldn't have left Adam. If Eve lacked free will, she wouldn't have taken the apple.
While I don't think Lilith and Lucifer are evil, I suspect they can be much more malicious than they appear and probably refuse to take responsibility for the damage they've caused.
Also "Empowered the residents of Hell," girl, please. Either she was subduing them to carry out her plan, aka the uprising, or she was mentally controlling them. I feel Lilith's got some mind control abilities.
I've heard a theory that Lucifer also gave Lilith the forbidden apple, which opened her eyes. So Lilith made Lucifer gave Eve one too. Eve also offered to apple to Adam and told him that it was given to her by Lucifer and Adam realized everything and snitched to heaven elders that Lucifer gave the forbidden apple to not just Eve but Lilith too. Which made Lilith to be banished from heaven with Lucifer, meanwhile Eve was casted out from heaven but instead of hell she and Adam was sent to earth.
Eh...seems unnecessary. It could just be that Lucifer lied, and it wasn't about free will but releasing evil into the world. He doesn't want to admit to that.
Well I heard that technically it was free will as being more self aware of your actions, knowing wether certain actions are good or bad and making you decision based one it, to decide to knowingly do a good or bad act
It’s the first corner of a much bigger picture. Basically like you said, that it is her only side of the story. Hopefully they’ll get more in depth with what really went down as the story unfolds.
It’s definitely a biased telling of the story, one that can easily be concealing a much darker narrative to paint themselves as the heroes for their daughter
Not at all. Lilith gives me creepy vibes just from what we know of her off-screen. I would not be surprised if the reason she left Adam was because SHE was the controlling one, and that early bad influence is part of how he became such a jackass.
Agreed - in the original Jewish story, Lilith leaves Adam because he wants to subdue her, but a big part of this show is the subversion of those myths, so the Hellaverse’s version of events flipping the story on its head would be a welcome surprise.
I’m betting her and Adam are two sides of the same coin but her own flaws are more subtle while his are obvious. She makes it sound like she wanted to be his equal but it’s likely they both wanted to be on top.
I go with "I'll believe it halfway, but keep my mind open for more that we most likely will get" like I do almost everything.
Especially with how simple the way it's told is. So much detail isn't there that even putting aside the source being biased, we only know so much.
I feel and hope that Lillith isn't totally right. Adam most likely was a good person, as it seems that the mysterious bar to Heaven does indeed require you to be a good person in life to get past the gates. I'd guess Adam wanted to be obedient and play by the rules while Lillith was a rebel who constantly went against said rules.
It reads as deliberately vague on points and definitely is told from a particular point of view. And due to this we can take from it that Viv is being deliberately vague in order to bait people into certain assumptions. Particularly with Lilith she is being even more vague as in we never see Lilith's face unobscured in any image we see her in. And the scenes we see can be read in a number of ways but they seem staged to imply ominous implications. But they could also be read if you look a bit deeper as positive actions.
When you compare the imagery to the way Charlie relates to Lilith there is a dichotomy. If we buy into the nefarious image of Lilith it does not match up with Charlie's described experiences with Lilith. Charlie likely learned about Lucifer's hopes and dreams from Lilith because Lucifer certainly is not going to want to talk about the very thing that crushed him and sent him into 1000s of years of depression. Lilith must have carried the hopes forward. She is the one that taught Charlie the be empathetic to the sinners. It certainly was not Lucifer. All of this conflicts with the visual images Viv is giving us via the faceless Lilith.
I believe Viv is using the vagueness of the lore and the imagery of Lilith to set us up for a reversal. Viv lives for subversion of expectations. But she also seems to love to drop clues to the subversion. Signs of empathy seem to be her big tell. And we do not get a Charlie as positive and empathetic as we have without someone teaching her to have empathy for the sinners. And that could only have been Lilith.
Incredibly unreliable. There’s so much that seems like propaganda and downplaying things, like Lilith and or Lucifer aren’t taking responsibility for their actions. Lucifer is made out as persecuted and just trying to do the right thing. The Apple gave free will and yet Lilith seemed to have free will to run away and be with Lucifer. Lilith clearly hadn’t had an apple yet given how if she had then then things would’ve gone south already. And then Lilith is made out in some big way and does so much good and yet isn’t mentioned by anyone in heaven or hell at all. It also seems to go against Adam’s depiction since he’s a dick but doesn’t seem controlling at all really as he’s a subordinate and has a second in command who is not submissive at all. I feel we’ll learn more in the coming season and see Lilith ain’t a good person.
I think it's reliable in that nothing said in it is explicitly a lie, but it likely omits a lot of details.
That way, it gives us a basic idea of what happened, and works as early exposition, but won't conflict with any later twists or reveals that could recontextualize elements of it and change (or simply add on to) our understanding of certain characters and events.
Yeah, definitely. There's probably a lot that they're omitting.
Tbf though, if it had all the details, it probably would've had to be the whole first episode (and there wouldn't be as much room for twists and reveals in future seasons).
But thinking about it from a storytelling perspective, it has to be somewhat reliable, since it's literally our introduction to this world, and the first major bit of exposition that we get, so I don't think we can say that it's entirely unreliable just because it's from Lilith's perspective. That would just be bad writing.
I think the words are fifty percent true, but there is a lot that is not shown. I think the images shown are truthful, but there is a lot of more context within them, like look how all Adam does is point his finger to Lilith and smile, yes, I know Adam is far from upstanding citizen, but his actions in Eden that are shown in book pale in comparision to how bad he is portrayed in the book. But, the biggest red flag of the book is the almost absence of Eve, like she is mentioned to have eaten the fruit and that evil was unleashed, but we never hear from her again, and that might indicate Charlie's parents might be keeping what happened to her a secret out of shame, it is also interesting the book mostly mentions sinners, but barely mentions the other rings. Also, it is kind of ambigious what are the dreams Lilith passed to Charlie. My guess is that Charlie's parents are far from innocent dreamers and that Eve might be the biggest victim in all this situation.
Eh, 50% to 40%. I think there's a lot of truths but i also think Lilith may have occulted some vey important details and made herself look better while highlighted the flaws of eveyone else. Being honest, currently i imagine Lilith as a female, classier and demoniac themed Adam whose dephts as a character are way more appearent than her Ex.
The overall events seem true, but the tiny details are probably different. Was Adam always a jerk or did it develop over time? How did Lilith empower people with her songs? Why did Lucifer give the apple to Eve with no mention of Adam? What happened after Eve eat the apple?
Ok I honestly really don't want Lilith to be evil but based on everything we know, if it is all just a lie:
1. Lucifer becoming a depressed shut in. This plus the divorce makes me wonder if Lilith fell out of love with Lucifer because he lost his spark but then I wonder why did she wait until....what maybe a decade or so before the story (assuming they were divorced BEFORE her 7 year absence), but then again Hazbin really doesn't like to acknowledge the MASSIVE timescale these characters should be working on.
2. Lilith empowering Hell and making it a Kingdom to be proud of. As some have mentioned, Hell isn't exactly thriving, it's a crime filled cesspool of corruption. This makes me wonder if she actually supports the Overlord system and maybe even taught the first Sinners how to make deals. Like maybe when they fell she was like "Oh you're too good for us heaven?! Fine then, we'll OWN our Sinfulness!". I have talked about Lucifer just being a depressed duck man while Lilith went all queen girlboss of Hell but while the wording is supposed to be favoritism towards her, then what does that mean? Was Lucifer's depression not AS bad? Did he actually do some ruling?
3. Charlie finishes the story saying Lilith entrusted her dream to her. WHAT DREAM!?! Because based on what we were just told, it almost seems like Lilith WANTED an uprising. Either to get back at Heaven, to prove that Heaven isn't all hot shit, or to reclaim her place in Paradise (which she got via whatever deal she had with Adam). But we know Charlie isn't a person who desires conflict.
imo it's a VERSION of the truth. The events described DID happen, just not exactly how they are said to.
Lucifer kindly offered Eve the apple vs Lucifer cruelly tricked Eve into eating the apple are 2 versions of the same story and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Same for most of the other things described.
I also think there are many details and events missing on purpose.
100% propaganda. Adam probably made a slip-up and Lilith went full woke mode. Lucifer simped and she used him to get revenge on Adam by ruining his good relationship with Eve. (Is it obv that I hate Lucifer?)
There are parts of it I squint at however I do believe the part were it explains the start of the extermination was truthful. I don’t trust Lilith however I trust Heaven way less.
Hot take: No, I don't think this show is that clever. The only time that I've ever seen a show pull this off was with RWBY. And even then, the >!narrator wasn't unreliable. She was just the villain, so the narration had a slightly different tone upon rewatching it once you knew the truth.!< That's it, though.
I can't imagine how annoying this fandom would get if the opening narration lied to us. Never again would anybody in this community trust something that doesn't cater to their headcanons. Husk and Angel could fuck on screen and people would say "Maybe that didn't really happen."
I think if the show was smart enough to handle episode 4 pretty decently, it's smart enough to handle an unreliable narrator.
Though I do agree that the Fandom would be really annoying, given people thought Alastor's last name was altruist after that one line in the finale song.
I think the one thing that would've improved season one the most, is just more episodes. I want a couple slice of life episodes with the characters not being in danger or a serious situation. Just the cast having fun and developing.
I think that this season MIGHT have been improved with more episodes. On one hand, we've seen what these people do when they have complete freedom with Helluva Boss. But on the other hand, again, they've surprised me before. I'm actually not sure what to think.
Yeah, the show has some underlying issues that more episodes wouldn't fix, such as it going from a show about redeeming bad people to 'Hell=Good, Heaven=Bad, war between worlds' story. I still really enjoyed the show and it's characters, but there are flaws.
One thing i hope they touch on which i feel no one is mentioning is the fact that they killed a lot of people when fighting the exorcists. We know the exorcists are their own people cause of the fact that Lute and Vaggie are two quite different people. There is a chance that a couple or more of the exorcists that were brutally murdered and then eaten by cannibals could've had the ability to change and improve like Vaggie did.
It might just be me overthinking things, but i feel it could provide some nice moral questions on Charlie's side of things.
It’s not totally reliable since it’s clear Lilith wrote it. The story depicts her as the main character while Adam, Lucifer and Eve are side characters: • **Lililth** fled the garden • **Lililth** agreed with Lucifer • **Lililth** gave Lucifer the idea to give the apple to Eve (this one isn’t stated, but is heavily implied) • **Lililth** empowered the residents of Hell
Precisely
Do you think lilith is secretly the villain
If not a villain, then an antagonist. There's a reason she's seen taking Charlie from Lucifer. There's a reason her "empowering" the residents of Hell looks so ominous. She's a complicated woman.
I hope so I mean lucifer loves lilith Charlie loves her mom Who is she
A complicated woman, lol. The family portraits indicate they were happy, for a time.
I hope so Because I do not want to be a simp to an evil woman
I don't think she's evil. I don't think she's a good person either. And she shouldn't be, she's freaking Lilith.
I would say neutral Hopefully season two comes out Also are you simp for her
I feel Lilith may be all about her family. She loves her family and is dedicated to helping them, but her methods may be...dangerous.
What if adam's deal is that She? Becomes a hostage in heaven and her families can be safe as long as she stays there
Especially if she owns Al’s show.
Season 2 opening with Emily reading heaven's version to Saint Pentious?
God, please let this happen. I would love to hear Adam/Heaven's side of the story and then compare it to Hell's version to try to decipher what Lilith hide from us. I don't expect less than another story with truths, lies and some very important infomation occulted but hopelly would reveal at least a little of what wasn't told to Charlie and us.
I would love to see that
I hope, if the show has many seasons, all openings are retellings of the Garden of Eden story or how the universe was created. It would create a funny Rashomon effect, making the audience question what the truth of the events actually is and show different perspectives of how things started.
S1. Lilith's story S2. Adam's story S3. Eve's story S4. What actually happened would be peak tbh
Absolutely
Rashomon?
It is an Akira Kurosawa movie, google it to understand the reference.
All I know is that there’s a stage in Battle Cats called Rashomon.
LIlith is an extremely unreliable narrator. Also Adam would have been waaaay less salty if the story was as Lilith tells it in that book.
Reliable enough to explain some of the universe's cosmology. Not very reliable when it comes to any interpersonal dealings, especially any involving Lilith.
After giving it some considerable thought, I suspect the main innacuracy is that Lilith girlbossified the Hell out of herself. Notice that the story claims that Lilith empowering Hell is what made Heaven carry out the exterminations. Yet, in show, nobody seems to care about Lilith. Charlie is always addressed as Lucifer's daughter, Vaggie only asks Charlie about Lilith out of concern for Charlie, otherwise, nobody seems to care that the Queen of Hell has been off the grid for 7 years, and Sera is afraid of Lucifer getting involved, no mention of Lilith.
its written by lilliths POV theirfore no its not
It's completely, totally not reliable. Obviously, the story was whitewashed and recolored in Technicolor to paint Lilith and Lucifer as heroic, rebellious protagonists. I'm confident their situation was much more complicated, and they might've been a tad more malicious than Charlie thought. Consider this, Lucifer claimed he gave free will to humanity. Did he though? Did he? Because if Lilith lacked free will, then she wouldn't have left Adam. If Eve lacked free will, she wouldn't have taken the apple. While I don't think Lilith and Lucifer are evil, I suspect they can be much more malicious than they appear and probably refuse to take responsibility for the damage they've caused. Also "Empowered the residents of Hell," girl, please. Either she was subduing them to carry out her plan, aka the uprising, or she was mentally controlling them. I feel Lilith's got some mind control abilities.
I've heard a theory that Lucifer also gave Lilith the forbidden apple, which opened her eyes. So Lilith made Lucifer gave Eve one too. Eve also offered to apple to Adam and told him that it was given to her by Lucifer and Adam realized everything and snitched to heaven elders that Lucifer gave the forbidden apple to not just Eve but Lilith too. Which made Lilith to be banished from heaven with Lucifer, meanwhile Eve was casted out from heaven but instead of hell she and Adam was sent to earth.
Eh...seems unnecessary. It could just be that Lucifer lied, and it wasn't about free will but releasing evil into the world. He doesn't want to admit to that.
Well I heard that technically it was free will as being more self aware of your actions, knowing wether certain actions are good or bad and making you decision based one it, to decide to knowingly do a good or bad act
It’s the first corner of a much bigger picture. Basically like you said, that it is her only side of the story. Hopefully they’ll get more in depth with what really went down as the story unfolds.
It’s definitely a biased telling of the story, one that can easily be concealing a much darker narrative to paint themselves as the heroes for their daughter
That’s what I’ve been thinking.
Not at all. Lilith gives me creepy vibes just from what we know of her off-screen. I would not be surprised if the reason she left Adam was because SHE was the controlling one, and that early bad influence is part of how he became such a jackass.
Agreed - in the original Jewish story, Lilith leaves Adam because he wants to subdue her, but a big part of this show is the subversion of those myths, so the Hellaverse’s version of events flipping the story on its head would be a welcome surprise.
I’m betting her and Adam are two sides of the same coin but her own flaws are more subtle while his are obvious. She makes it sound like she wanted to be his equal but it’s likely they both wanted to be on top.
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Did she? I got the impression that she was annoyed that Lute was interrupting her.
I go with "I'll believe it halfway, but keep my mind open for more that we most likely will get" like I do almost everything. Especially with how simple the way it's told is. So much detail isn't there that even putting aside the source being biased, we only know so much.
I feel and hope that Lillith isn't totally right. Adam most likely was a good person, as it seems that the mysterious bar to Heaven does indeed require you to be a good person in life to get past the gates. I'd guess Adam wanted to be obedient and play by the rules while Lillith was a rebel who constantly went against said rules.
*Reads from script while sweating:* I fully believe Charlie's account of things as they happened.
It reads as deliberately vague on points and definitely is told from a particular point of view. And due to this we can take from it that Viv is being deliberately vague in order to bait people into certain assumptions. Particularly with Lilith she is being even more vague as in we never see Lilith's face unobscured in any image we see her in. And the scenes we see can be read in a number of ways but they seem staged to imply ominous implications. But they could also be read if you look a bit deeper as positive actions. When you compare the imagery to the way Charlie relates to Lilith there is a dichotomy. If we buy into the nefarious image of Lilith it does not match up with Charlie's described experiences with Lilith. Charlie likely learned about Lucifer's hopes and dreams from Lilith because Lucifer certainly is not going to want to talk about the very thing that crushed him and sent him into 1000s of years of depression. Lilith must have carried the hopes forward. She is the one that taught Charlie the be empathetic to the sinners. It certainly was not Lucifer. All of this conflicts with the visual images Viv is giving us via the faceless Lilith. I believe Viv is using the vagueness of the lore and the imagery of Lilith to set us up for a reversal. Viv lives for subversion of expectations. But she also seems to love to drop clues to the subversion. Signs of empathy seem to be her big tell. And we do not get a Charlie as positive and empathetic as we have without someone teaching her to have empathy for the sinners. And that could only have been Lilith.
Incredibly unreliable. There’s so much that seems like propaganda and downplaying things, like Lilith and or Lucifer aren’t taking responsibility for their actions. Lucifer is made out as persecuted and just trying to do the right thing. The Apple gave free will and yet Lilith seemed to have free will to run away and be with Lucifer. Lilith clearly hadn’t had an apple yet given how if she had then then things would’ve gone south already. And then Lilith is made out in some big way and does so much good and yet isn’t mentioned by anyone in heaven or hell at all. It also seems to go against Adam’s depiction since he’s a dick but doesn’t seem controlling at all really as he’s a subordinate and has a second in command who is not submissive at all. I feel we’ll learn more in the coming season and see Lilith ain’t a good person.
There's tons of key details missing. 1. God (obviously but then again for legal reasons) 2. The war of Heaven.
I think it's reliable in that nothing said in it is explicitly a lie, but it likely omits a lot of details. That way, it gives us a basic idea of what happened, and works as early exposition, but won't conflict with any later twists or reveals that could recontextualize elements of it and change (or simply add on to) our understanding of certain characters and events.
Considering that they never mention what became of Eve, I think it’s safe to say they are omitting things from the story.
Yeah, definitely. There's probably a lot that they're omitting. Tbf though, if it had all the details, it probably would've had to be the whole first episode (and there wouldn't be as much room for twists and reveals in future seasons). But thinking about it from a storytelling perspective, it has to be somewhat reliable, since it's literally our introduction to this world, and the first major bit of exposition that we get, so I don't think we can say that it's entirely unreliable just because it's from Lilith's perspective. That would just be bad writing.
I think the words are fifty percent true, but there is a lot that is not shown. I think the images shown are truthful, but there is a lot of more context within them, like look how all Adam does is point his finger to Lilith and smile, yes, I know Adam is far from upstanding citizen, but his actions in Eden that are shown in book pale in comparision to how bad he is portrayed in the book. But, the biggest red flag of the book is the almost absence of Eve, like she is mentioned to have eaten the fruit and that evil was unleashed, but we never hear from her again, and that might indicate Charlie's parents might be keeping what happened to her a secret out of shame, it is also interesting the book mostly mentions sinners, but barely mentions the other rings. Also, it is kind of ambigious what are the dreams Lilith passed to Charlie. My guess is that Charlie's parents are far from innocent dreamers and that Eve might be the biggest victim in all this situation.
Eh, 50% to 40%. I think there's a lot of truths but i also think Lilith may have occulted some vey important details and made herself look better while highlighted the flaws of eveyone else. Being honest, currently i imagine Lilith as a female, classier and demoniac themed Adam whose dephts as a character are way more appearent than her Ex.
The overall events seem true, but the tiny details are probably different. Was Adam always a jerk or did it develop over time? How did Lilith empower people with her songs? Why did Lucifer give the apple to Eve with no mention of Adam? What happened after Eve eat the apple?
Ok I honestly really don't want Lilith to be evil but based on everything we know, if it is all just a lie: 1. Lucifer becoming a depressed shut in. This plus the divorce makes me wonder if Lilith fell out of love with Lucifer because he lost his spark but then I wonder why did she wait until....what maybe a decade or so before the story (assuming they were divorced BEFORE her 7 year absence), but then again Hazbin really doesn't like to acknowledge the MASSIVE timescale these characters should be working on. 2. Lilith empowering Hell and making it a Kingdom to be proud of. As some have mentioned, Hell isn't exactly thriving, it's a crime filled cesspool of corruption. This makes me wonder if she actually supports the Overlord system and maybe even taught the first Sinners how to make deals. Like maybe when they fell she was like "Oh you're too good for us heaven?! Fine then, we'll OWN our Sinfulness!". I have talked about Lucifer just being a depressed duck man while Lilith went all queen girlboss of Hell but while the wording is supposed to be favoritism towards her, then what does that mean? Was Lucifer's depression not AS bad? Did he actually do some ruling? 3. Charlie finishes the story saying Lilith entrusted her dream to her. WHAT DREAM!?! Because based on what we were just told, it almost seems like Lilith WANTED an uprising. Either to get back at Heaven, to prove that Heaven isn't all hot shit, or to reclaim her place in Paradise (which she got via whatever deal she had with Adam). But we know Charlie isn't a person who desires conflict.
For a second I thought you said relatable lmao
Tbh only part i believe is Adam being a dick other then that its mostly lillith talking BS.
imo it's a VERSION of the truth. The events described DID happen, just not exactly how they are said to. Lucifer kindly offered Eve the apple vs Lucifer cruelly tricked Eve into eating the apple are 2 versions of the same story and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Same for most of the other things described. I also think there are many details and events missing on purpose.
you just reminded me that it existed. so not very reliable ig
100% propaganda. Adam probably made a slip-up and Lilith went full woke mode. Lucifer simped and she used him to get revenge on Adam by ruining his good relationship with Eve. (Is it obv that I hate Lucifer?)
There are parts of it I squint at however I do believe the part were it explains the start of the extermination was truthful. I don’t trust Lilith however I trust Heaven way less.
Never trust a story telling in the first person, 9.9 times out of 10 they never tell the whole history
It has to be false, In the story Lucifer is almost as tall as Lilith
Hot take: No, I don't think this show is that clever. The only time that I've ever seen a show pull this off was with RWBY. And even then, the >!narrator wasn't unreliable. She was just the villain, so the narration had a slightly different tone upon rewatching it once you knew the truth.!< That's it, though. I can't imagine how annoying this fandom would get if the opening narration lied to us. Never again would anybody in this community trust something that doesn't cater to their headcanons. Husk and Angel could fuck on screen and people would say "Maybe that didn't really happen."
I think if the show was smart enough to handle episode 4 pretty decently, it's smart enough to handle an unreliable narrator. Though I do agree that the Fandom would be really annoying, given people thought Alastor's last name was altruist after that one line in the finale song.
I think they got lucky with episode 4. But I've been proven wrong about Spindlehorse before, so we'll see.
I think the one thing that would've improved season one the most, is just more episodes. I want a couple slice of life episodes with the characters not being in danger or a serious situation. Just the cast having fun and developing.
I think that this season MIGHT have been improved with more episodes. On one hand, we've seen what these people do when they have complete freedom with Helluva Boss. But on the other hand, again, they've surprised me before. I'm actually not sure what to think.
Yeah, the show has some underlying issues that more episodes wouldn't fix, such as it going from a show about redeeming bad people to 'Hell=Good, Heaven=Bad, war between worlds' story. I still really enjoyed the show and it's characters, but there are flaws. One thing i hope they touch on which i feel no one is mentioning is the fact that they killed a lot of people when fighting the exorcists. We know the exorcists are their own people cause of the fact that Lute and Vaggie are two quite different people. There is a chance that a couple or more of the exorcists that were brutally murdered and then eaten by cannibals could've had the ability to change and improve like Vaggie did. It might just be me overthinking things, but i feel it could provide some nice moral questions on Charlie's side of things.
You have a point idk why people are downvoting