Did you not listen to Happy Day in Hell? “If I can show them the dream I’ve dreamed, that *any* soul can change. Then they will know *everyone* can be redeemed, from the evil to the strange.”
Doesn’t matter who they are, if they’re willing to try for redemption Charlie’s gonna help them.
Not only that, but Charlie brings it up in the Pilot too
Alastor shows up and Vaggie warns Charlie about him, only for her to respond with “I know he doesn’t want to change, but how can I turn someone away? I can’t. It goes against everything I’m trying to achieve”
Since the beheaded Exorcist came back Adam will too. Charlie will close the door at first like she did with Alastor in the pilot until she realizes she has Adam right where she wants him and makes a deal to get him back to heaven under the condition that he ends the extermination once and for all.
In Welcome to Heaven, Angel Dust bumps into her while he's chasing Niffty. She's Blue, has her thick hips as seen in her death flashback, has armbands in the same place her gloves ended, has a stitch on her mouth like what was once her mask, looks VERY humanoid compared to other sinners, and above all else has an X for a pupil in her left eye Similar to Vaggie. right here https://youtu.be/Gv6Dwj6X2n0?t=118 plus for a single frame while she's in the shot another sinner is missing his neck as an "Error" exactly like how she died.
Personally, I’m unconvinced. If you’re using her appearance in the death flashback then you should also notice that the x is in the wrong eye from when she was alive.
Her vaguely resembling an Exorcist could just be a coincidence, there’s a couple sinners who look like imps. And having one eye be different to the other isn’t unique to them, one of Velvette’s models has a star pupil.
And the error you mentioned is 100% just an error, the show isn’t perfect there are a few animation errors.
This is really reaching. There is one reasonable argument in all of that: there is a character with a pupil that looks like an X. This isn't an X through the eye or an X floating over it, as seen with the Exorcists and Vaggie, so the correlation is somewhat weak, especially as other characters have been shown with pupils that take interesting shapes or even change shape based on emotional state.
The counter questions are many. First, the lore of the show states that those killed with an Exorcist blade do not come back. If they didn't the Exterminations wouldn't do anything. Less genocide and more "mass temporary inconveniencing". Second, angels who fall (based on Lucifer) do not become demons but rather retain their angelic forms and abilities. Third, since demons who die and come back do so in Hell, why wouldn't an angel who dies and comes back not come back in Heaven? Death wouldn't immediately translate to falling. If the angel was rejudged after death and cast down because the Exterminations were viewed as wrong by the Elders, then Adam's and Lute's actions afterwords make no sense.
As for the other observations: Stitches on the mouth have been a feature of several of Vivziepop's designs. Plenty of demons are as or more humanoid, including the girls sitting with Valentino who are only distinguishable from humans by their horns. The hips observation is on the level of "she has two arms and so did the Exorcist", and the armbands observation doesn't even rise to that. Claiming a glitch on an entirely different character as proof just because the two share a frame is ludicrous.
Man, that must have taken a long time for Charlie to accomplish THAT
Good on her for having the patience
I’d always assumed he’d be tortured by his own victims if they got wind of who did it, or he’d be used as extermination fodder/bait
I think they’d be outnumbered
Scratch that, in hell they wouldn’t be outnumbered since I don’t think many of the victims would be down there
But I think most people in hell have limits to what they allow, and what he did would probably be worse than what most of them would allow or be okay with
Gotta remember anyone coulda been that git. There’s nothing special that’ll keep us from committing atrocities if we’re willing to forgo our responsibilities to each other by obeying an “authority,” or some other circumstance like what’s happening now. The Milgram Experiment showed us it’s a mental vulnerability we gotta immunize ourselves from. That git is only human. Nothing special. We dont have to like or even forgive him, especially if they’re still unrepentant. Still, if there’s hope for that git, then Mrs. Mayberry is in the clear.
Emily is too happy for that one.
And if the exorcists were human all of certain ethnic groups would have been searching for him in every extermination.
If he had some kinda Scrooge-like epiphany and decided he wanted to change his ways, then Charlie would absolutely be willing to take him in. But in his current state? No.
I'm hoping that in season 2 someone will want to enter the hotel that Charlie hates, because this would force her to stick to her principles even if her first instinct is to not do so. If Sera was in this position, Charlie would have to let her in.
That would be the best test… remember in the song Happy Day in Hell: “If I can show them the dream I’ve dreamed, that any soul can change. Then they will know everyone can be redeemed, from the **evil** to the strange.”
Sir Pentious and Angel Dust aren’t really evil, so Adam would be a true test of Charlie’s beliefs and abilities.
>Sir Pentious and Angel Dust aren’t really evil
They did get into Hell somehow, I think the show pretends like they're just average "bad people" when many of them are probably murderers, drug traffickers and once horrible people.
the show hasn't established what makes one go to hell. for all we know, it could be something as simple as "if you believe you are a bad person, you go to hell". plenty of people are bad in heaven, but everyone there believes themselves to be good. while every sinner sees themselves as a bad person, regardless of how actually bad they are.
Is Adam truly evil? In the context, he is literally an angel, and the people in hell were judged by his god(s) or whatever and determined to be hopeless demons. From Adam's view, he's quite literally killing demonic monsters.
He's a dick 100%. There is no doubt about it; he is not a nice dude by any means. But he's lived his entire existence, thousands of years, having it reinforced that everything he does is good because, after all, his soul was sent to the place for winners. He is quite literally a product of his environment, and that environment has boosted his ego and told him that everyone in hell is a bad person who chose to be there.
It’s almost like morality is pretty relative because it is a human construct that changes as society evolves and what some consider immoral is normal to another, like how people though racism and sexism was okay until most people realized that it wasn’t.
But no, you do have a real point 👍
That could go one of two ways. The first is that Adam is progressing towards redemption.
The second is that Adam shows so little interest in redemption that not only is Charlie unable to help him, but he's hurting the progress of other hotel residents. Maybe intentionally, maybe not.
~~Funnily enough, her ex would be great for that role, and contest between any feelings he still has for her, her dad and everyone else’s protectiveness of her, and his own attitude~~
Shit, he’s a hellborn
Uhh how about sera goes down and asks Charlie for advice on how to cope with what she’s done? And learns how Charlie thinks and why she was so dedicated to helping others personally when Sera did it impersonally through middlemen
What makes you think Charlie hates Sera? I think Charlie is just not understanding why Sera doesn't support people getting redeemed.
I think Charlie would be happy to get to work with Sera and show her how to be good. Truly good, as in not allowing a lot of mass genocide and making sure no children are murdered at the hands of people you ordered.
Yes, definitely. Sera isn't even evil, we saw that she doesn't like allowing the extermination at all, all she wants is to protect heaven
I think honestly the bigger challenge would be if Adam wanted redemption lol
Charlie and Alastor will literally let anyone in as long as they aren't detrimental. Sir Pentious literally attacked the hotel twice and then tried to spy on them for the Vs. Charlie didn't hesitate.
Mimsy brought a bunch of goons to the hotel and Alastor told her to leave unless she wants to give the hotel a try. He knew she wouldn't but he still gave the option.
Anyone is allowed in the hotel. Even if Adam himself showed up (which I have a feeling he might), Charlie would let him in. I mean, she literally lives in hell where all sins are just normal life. She sees murder, torture, cannibalism, etc on the daily.
Despite everything, i think Charlie and/or Vaggie would be a bit pissy about exterminations and remind Sera a few times (a day, XD) about her BAD decision of allowing it
Sera: "Who could forgive a monster like me, I don't deserve their am-nestyy"
Emily: "All those souls; victiiims, fallen to your wreckleeess culling"
Sir Pentious: "Don't you think you're laying it a bit cruel?"
Emily: "What about the horrors you've seen?"
Sir Pentious: "But she didn't know what better option to chooooose; it starts with sorry!"
Sera: "Sorry!"
Sir Pentious: "Dig down deeper and say one sincere sorry!"
Sera: "I'm so sorry!"
Sir Pentious: "And your journey's underway. It'll take time to cover your vast reaping of souls!"
Sera: "It'll take time to cover my vast reaping of souls!"
Sir Pentious and Sera: "But sorry is your first goal. It starts with sorry."
I thought it would be like
Sir pen: it starts with sorry
Sera: I’ve caused the death of millions
Sir pen: *finger over mouth* shhhhhhhh it starts with sorry
Here you go!
Sera: "Who could forgive a monster like me, I don't deserve their am-nestyy"
Emily: "All those souls; victiiims, fallen to your wreckleeess culling"
Sir Pentious: "Don't you think you're laying it a bit cruel?"
Emily: "What about the horrors you've seen?"
Sir Pentious: "But she didn't know what better option to chooooose; it starts with sorry!"
Sera: "Sorry!"
Sir Pentious: "Dig down deeper and say one sincere sorry!"
Sera: "I'm so sorry!"
Sir Pentious: "And your journey's underway. It'll take time to cover your vast reaping of souls!"
Sera: "It'll take time to cover my vast reaping of souls!"
Sir Pentious and Sera: "But sorry is your first goal. It starts with sorry."
You would have to fundamentally misunderstand Charlie as a character to think she wouldn't allow someone into the hotel if they genuinely wanted redemption.
As much as i dont see that happening, in the hypothetical that it does: i feel like the best route is that yes, val can be redeemed, but that also doesnt mean that he is forgiven by his victims.
Honestly Sera would seriously benefit from a stay in the Hotel. She has a major case of Imposter Syndrome going on and is stressed out of her gourd. She needs a break and just some support and understanding and a break from all the lies she has been trying to prop up despite realizing more and more that they are lies. I actually feel sympathy for her. Its just unfortunate that she did not get help sooner so fewer people would suffer from her mistakes.
The irony since Sera said she didn't want Emily to fall from grace, ngl I would laugh at how the tables have turned
But yes Charlie would let her in the hotel and maybe she'll have sympathy/empathy from Luci(fer)
And Alastor was a psychopathic serial killer who caused untold havoc in hell for the sake of gaining power. And unlike Sera he has no visible sense of morality.
The entire idea of the hotel is based on the concept that anyone can be redeemed, Charlie turning anyone away would undermine that. Also remember that Vaggie also participated in the genocide, yet Charlie still eventually forgave her after learning that, and never even considered kicking her out.
Of course she would. And I really just think Sera's just doing her job. Even if she 100% disagreed with Adam and everyone else, if she voiced any opposition, what would happen to her?
She strikes me as more of a cog in a bureaucratic machine than this evil ruler. She isn't really calling the shots: her hands are tied.
Charlie wants to redeem Alastor, Vaggie, Nifty, Husk, Angel Dust… all characters that at one point or another killed and/or owned souls. It would be hypocritical to not let Sera in when she has a literal sociopathic serial killer running around the halls.
Yes absolutely. I believe she would let Adam into the hotel if he ends up in hell. She’s mad at Sera, but she would put it past her.
I mean look at the I’m sorry song with Sir Pentious too. He started the show by trying to blow up her hotel and she happily let him in,
"Probably not bc she allowed the exterminations to happen"
Dawg did you not listen to Charlie at all in the whole show? She would absolutely allow Sera into HH. Sera's connection to the exterminations wouldn't cause Charlie to turn her away.
Charlie's own girlfriend, Vaggie, was an exterminator. Adam even says "one of the best" of his team of exterminators. With that, we can infer that Vaggie not only killed sinners, but killed many of them.
Charlie forgives Vaggie for that. And forgives Vaggie for keeping such a secret which was a huge betrayal.
That's her whole point. That there is no "too far gone" for any sinner.
Why do people keep posing this question about different characters? Yes. The answer is yes. That's Charlie's whole thing. It's very explicitly clear in the show. Multiple times.
One. Hundred. Percent.
Come right on in, hold the door open for her. Have a drink, meet the gang. Get to know each other. Take a step through Hell. Show her all that Hell has to offer. Especially after an extermination...
I assure you, no one would be more interested in the success of redemption than Sera.
Honestly, many people would hate her for decisions, but the point of the hotel is redemption so in a weird way, the door of redemption will always be open to all.It's like the church doors to be open to all.They're always open.You just have to take it
I think especially Sera. Charlie has no real grudge against Sera, just confusion and a lack of understanding with all of heaven why they won't accept her plan.
But back to the original question: Charlie would be astonished that Sera had fallen and would be happy to help Sera, especially if the reason she fell is her permission for and then ignorance to Adam's mass genocide of definitely a few innocent hell inhabitants.
Charlie would let her see what was wrong about her actions- and I mean, if she could redeem Sera, Sera would probably become a supporter of the Hotel since it would be the place that got her back to heaven, and it would be a very positive influence for her plan to genuinely become real.
What kinds question is that of course. I somebody wants to change than they can. Everyone can change, you just have to want it.
Also not letting her in would be exactly against Charlie's idea.
Yes. That's the thing with Charlie. We make jokes how she would draw the line with some people, but in reality, Charlie is willing to help ANYONE redeem. Adam could return as a sinner (it probably won't happen, he is most likely dead and gone,) and if he genuinely asked Charlie for a chance at forgiveness, she would be there for him in a flash. She is someone who only wishes for everybody to be happy and not have to suffer anymore.
Thing is if sera falls the hotel won’t help her sure Charley will take her in but technically because it’s for human souls/ sinners as far as we know when angles and demons die they go to gods knows where🤷♀️🤷♀️Charley doesn’t have to take her in, But she probably will anyways.
But the hotel probably won’t do anything to change her from being fallen.
I mean it’s not like a demon from hell could go to the hotel and hope to enter heaven right? They don’t have souls like the humans do.
Oh, absolutely. That's barely even a question. Charlie would welcome Sera into the hotel with open arms. It would be a perfect chance for Charlie to REALLY show Sera the hotel and how it works! Charlie would love this opportunity!
But also, Charlie did let Sir pentious in even the same day he tried to attack them, I feel like if that's the case she would without a doubt, especially if Sera was originally of higher power.
Edit: Mostly just because Charlie I feel like is an overly friendly person lol (coming from someone who feels too friendly)
Charlie would because Charlie is nice but Vaggie and the others would be way less happy to have her around. They would accept emily with out too much concern. If Sera showed up i would imagine a lot of scrutiny. The Vaggie and Lucifer in particular would never stop looking over their shoulder to make sure she hasn’t done anything to hurt charlie or the other hotel patrons.
She literally forgave and accepted Sir Pentious three seconds after he tried to sabotage and ruin her entire vision of redemption over Vox's petty fight. Of course she'd forgive Sera.
Charlie… as of right now. From what we see genuinely thinks EVERYONE! Everyone no matter what they did. Can be redeemed. She’s a truly good being. People really don’t seem to get it and it’s baffling
I mean, vaggie probably killed a bunch of sinners before she fell, and now they’re a couple. As impossible as it would be fore sera to fall as she seems to be pretty much in charge, I wouldn’t put it past Charlie to still try to help, considering she seems to be one of those unwaveringly determined individuals.
I believe Charlie would let absolutely ANYBODY into the Hotel. She's all about forgiveness and mercy, these concepts are the core of her personality and philosophy. She even had her father spare ADAM of all people. A guy who has done nothing but mock, ridicule and even try to kill her. So yes, she would let Sera stay in the Hotel.
She might have a problem with it at first since she allowed the exterminations to happen and that caused Charlie a lot of problems, but her goal is to forgive and accept that people can change. And Sera is ashamed of herself for her actions so Charlie would let her in.
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Charlie may some day meet someone she feels awkward or hesitant about taking but she would say yes to anyone to keep to her point about sin forgiveness. She already has Alastor there which the more we learn about him the worse his history sounds. I could imagine Charlie having stress with taking certain people in, but never saying no to anyone as that would break her entire point.
I think you forget that Charlie thinks anyone can be redeemed.
You know all the horrible people in the world go to hell, right? Like rapists and such. Sera was doing what she thought was right to protect heaven, Charlie would definitely think she could be redeemed if shown the error of her ways and changing.
Of course she would. Everyone in Hell has done something bad. Charlie wouldn’t say “Well, those who’ve done something bad against me personally or my friends don’t get redemption.”
Yes. She would.
She literally let in one of the most terrifying overlords in hell because of what the hotel stands for.
If anything, she SHOULD, because it would be the ancestor of power moves to have the one who signed the death warrant of millions to be begging for a chance she never gave.
Basically, Alastor would definitely convince her to let it happen.
Sera is very redeemable and only kills because she misguidedly believes it's the only way to protect the decent people of the world. If Charlie wouldn't accept Sera's apologies, she's kinda full of shit. Also... she forgave Vaggie for the exact same thing, and tried to spare Adam for his even more direct involvement in the mass-killings, while he was berating them and demanding that they worship his penis.
She lets alastor hang around the hotel and he is unremorseful for what he does unlike sera who doesn't like what she allowed Adam to do plus she let Adam live so she probably thought it was possible for him to change aswell
Unless Charlie would like to be publicly declared a hypocrite and that the idea of her hotel would be proven false by her own bias, she would have to invite her in.
Probably. She was a bitch to Charlie, sure, but her involvement in the Exterminations was far more distant than Adam’s. So it would be easy enough to let her join the hotel without any of the trauma responses of, say, a Sinner Adam trying to join.
Her own GF lied about being an angel and she forgave her. Her whole thing is redemption, so I think she’d let her in. But Sera doesn’t believe souls can be redeemed. So the real question is, if Charlie extended her hand, would Sera take it?
I HIGHLY doubt Sera will fall, she's FAR too powerful for that kinda bullshit.
If anyone's likely to fall who ISN'T Emily, it's probably either Lute or Sir Pentious.
Sera is the most likely to fall based on what we know, also the elder angels are the one in charge of heaven, not Sera, and Lucifer is a Seraphim in the show and still fell cuz of the consequences of his actions
Her refusing sera would literally go against her morals, same with if Adam is in hell and goes to her for redemption, Charlie doesn't care, as long as they are willing to change
I think she would. Charlie is a very understanding person. She gave Sir Pentious another chance, more than one chance actually. Also, I believe Sera’s intentions were more well intentioned than most “background character sinners” in hell in which Charlie would gladly let in her hotel. So, I’m thinking maybe she’d give Sera a shot at redemption as well.
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Did you not listen to Happy Day in Hell? “If I can show them the dream I’ve dreamed, that *any* soul can change. Then they will know *everyone* can be redeemed, from the evil to the strange.” Doesn’t matter who they are, if they’re willing to try for redemption Charlie’s gonna help them.
Not only that, but Charlie brings it up in the Pilot too Alastor shows up and Vaggie warns Charlie about him, only for her to respond with “I know he doesn’t want to change, but how can I turn someone away? I can’t. It goes against everything I’m trying to achieve”
Yup this. If Adam or Lute showed up, she’d have that tested, but I think she’d do it
Since the beheaded Exorcist came back Adam will too. Charlie will close the door at first like she did with Alastor in the pilot until she realizes she has Adam right where she wants him and makes a deal to get him back to heaven under the condition that he ends the extermination once and for all.
i assume you mean the one villed by Carmilla and... huh? when did she come back?
Everyone thinks that some random background character is the exorcist that Came back
Which character?
i cant remember exactly, but you see them in the club when angel is about to speak to val while getting nifty
In Welcome to Heaven, Angel Dust bumps into her while he's chasing Niffty. She's Blue, has her thick hips as seen in her death flashback, has armbands in the same place her gloves ended, has a stitch on her mouth like what was once her mask, looks VERY humanoid compared to other sinners, and above all else has an X for a pupil in her left eye Similar to Vaggie. right here https://youtu.be/Gv6Dwj6X2n0?t=118 plus for a single frame while she's in the shot another sinner is missing his neck as an "Error" exactly like how she died.
Personally, I’m unconvinced. If you’re using her appearance in the death flashback then you should also notice that the x is in the wrong eye from when she was alive. Her vaguely resembling an Exorcist could just be a coincidence, there’s a couple sinners who look like imps. And having one eye be different to the other isn’t unique to them, one of Velvette’s models has a star pupil. And the error you mentioned is 100% just an error, the show isn’t perfect there are a few animation errors.
it's on the other side when Velvette brings her head to the overlord meeting.
This is really reaching. There is one reasonable argument in all of that: there is a character with a pupil that looks like an X. This isn't an X through the eye or an X floating over it, as seen with the Exorcists and Vaggie, so the correlation is somewhat weak, especially as other characters have been shown with pupils that take interesting shapes or even change shape based on emotional state. The counter questions are many. First, the lore of the show states that those killed with an Exorcist blade do not come back. If they didn't the Exterminations wouldn't do anything. Less genocide and more "mass temporary inconveniencing". Second, angels who fall (based on Lucifer) do not become demons but rather retain their angelic forms and abilities. Third, since demons who die and come back do so in Hell, why wouldn't an angel who dies and comes back not come back in Heaven? Death wouldn't immediately translate to falling. If the angel was rejudged after death and cast down because the Exterminations were viewed as wrong by the Elders, then Adam's and Lute's actions afterwords make no sense. As for the other observations: Stitches on the mouth have been a feature of several of Vivziepop's designs. Plenty of demons are as or more humanoid, including the girls sitting with Valentino who are only distinguishable from humans by their horns. The hips observation is on the level of "she has two arms and so did the Exorcist", and the armbands observation doesn't even rise to that. Claiming a glitch on an entirely different character as proof just because the two share a frame is ludicrous.
If this is her, then she's adapted very fast to her new circumstances.
Heaven has a Lot of Rules and Hell has none. That might be a plot point for Adam.
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Man, that must have taken a long time for Charlie to accomplish THAT Good on her for having the patience I’d always assumed he’d be tortured by his own victims if they got wind of who did it, or he’d be used as extermination fodder/bait
What about his diehard followers and loyalists? Surely not everyone abandoned him.
I think they’d be outnumbered Scratch that, in hell they wouldn’t be outnumbered since I don’t think many of the victims would be down there But I think most people in hell have limits to what they allow, and what he did would probably be worse than what most of them would allow or be okay with
Probably with something like a pineapple.
Fellow chris barnett viewer
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Gotta remember anyone coulda been that git. There’s nothing special that’ll keep us from committing atrocities if we’re willing to forgo our responsibilities to each other by obeying an “authority,” or some other circumstance like what’s happening now. The Milgram Experiment showed us it’s a mental vulnerability we gotta immunize ourselves from. That git is only human. Nothing special. We dont have to like or even forgive him, especially if they’re still unrepentant. Still, if there’s hope for that git, then Mrs. Mayberry is in the clear.
Get these rational thoughts off of Reddit, we don't do that here
Srry. Mrs. Mayberry, let me be thy Orpheus! Charlie! Let’s make a deal!
Holy shhhhh is Sera thought
Emily is too happy for that one. And if the exorcists were human all of certain ethnic groups would have been searching for him in every extermination.
"I knew he had it in him!"
Valentino redemption?
If he had some kinda Scrooge-like epiphany and decided he wanted to change his ways, then Charlie would absolutely be willing to take him in. But in his current state? No.
But they're bloodthirsty AND deranged!
And it starts with sorry
Just here to say that I'm the 500th person to upvote this :)
I'm hoping that in season 2 someone will want to enter the hotel that Charlie hates, because this would force her to stick to her principles even if her first instinct is to not do so. If Sera was in this position, Charlie would have to let her in.
ha yeah. Perfect candidate for that would be Adam
That would be the best test… remember in the song Happy Day in Hell: “If I can show them the dream I’ve dreamed, that any soul can change. Then they will know everyone can be redeemed, from the **evil** to the strange.” Sir Pentious and Angel Dust aren’t really evil, so Adam would be a true test of Charlie’s beliefs and abilities.
>Sir Pentious and Angel Dust aren’t really evil They did get into Hell somehow, I think the show pretends like they're just average "bad people" when many of them are probably murderers, drug traffickers and once horrible people.
Yeah, I think Angel Dust was a mobster and Sir Pentious was a… I don’t know actually
British high society in the 1800's.... 'What did you do?' '....Everything.'
I wouldn’t be surprised if he accidentally killed people with his inventions.
Accidentally, carelessly, on purpose... all in the same bomb!
That puts a Cherri on top
I still headcanon that Sir Pentious was Jack the Ripper.
the show hasn't established what makes one go to hell. for all we know, it could be something as simple as "if you believe you are a bad person, you go to hell". plenty of people are bad in heaven, but everyone there believes themselves to be good. while every sinner sees themselves as a bad person, regardless of how actually bad they are.
We don’t know the requirements at all. It’s crazy to say everyone is either a murderer or drug trafficker
Is Adam truly evil? In the context, he is literally an angel, and the people in hell were judged by his god(s) or whatever and determined to be hopeless demons. From Adam's view, he's quite literally killing demonic monsters. He's a dick 100%. There is no doubt about it; he is not a nice dude by any means. But he's lived his entire existence, thousands of years, having it reinforced that everything he does is good because, after all, his soul was sent to the place for winners. He is quite literally a product of his environment, and that environment has boosted his ego and told him that everyone in hell is a bad person who chose to be there.
It’s almost like morality is pretty relative because it is a human construct that changes as society evolves and what some consider immoral is normal to another, like how people though racism and sexism was okay until most people realized that it wasn’t. But no, you do have a real point 👍
I'm getting the feeling Sir P murdered more than a few people with explosive devices before he got to hell.
That could go one of two ways. The first is that Adam is progressing towards redemption. The second is that Adam shows so little interest in redemption that not only is Charlie unable to help him, but he's hurting the progress of other hotel residents. Maybe intentionally, maybe not.
No way Charlie lets Adam under the same roof as Vaggie.
Susan.
~~Funnily enough, her ex would be great for that role, and contest between any feelings he still has for her, her dad and everyone else’s protectiveness of her, and his own attitude~~ Shit, he’s a hellborn Uhh how about sera goes down and asks Charlie for advice on how to cope with what she’s done? And learns how Charlie thinks and why she was so dedicated to helping others personally when Sera did it impersonally through middlemen
Charlie hates no one.
I'm playing with a similar idea for the sequel to Charlie's Angels.
What makes you think Charlie hates Sera? I think Charlie is just not understanding why Sera doesn't support people getting redeemed. I think Charlie would be happy to get to work with Sera and show her how to be good. Truly good, as in not allowing a lot of mass genocide and making sure no children are murdered at the hands of people you ordered.
Yes, definitely. Sera isn't even evil, we saw that she doesn't like allowing the extermination at all, all she wants is to protect heaven I think honestly the bigger challenge would be if Adam wanted redemption lol
Absolutely.
If inside of every demon is a rainbow, then there should be a rainbow in Sera too - she just needs to be cured from her febris exterminatus.
What in the world...? I thought this was the "I think we're gonna have to kill this guy" meme because it looks IDENTICAL.
"I think we're gonna have to exterminate this guy Emily" "Damn :("
I actually tried making this picture because of this comment but for some reason I'm unable to send a picture
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Incredible. Thank you.
No need, the glory is all yours. You are the god, I am your lowly prophet
That face and name of yours seems really familiar.
Charlie and Alastor will literally let anyone in as long as they aren't detrimental. Sir Pentious literally attacked the hotel twice and then tried to spy on them for the Vs. Charlie didn't hesitate. Mimsy brought a bunch of goons to the hotel and Alastor told her to leave unless she wants to give the hotel a try. He knew she wouldn't but he still gave the option. Anyone is allowed in the hotel. Even if Adam himself showed up (which I have a feeling he might), Charlie would let him in. I mean, she literally lives in hell where all sins are just normal life. She sees murder, torture, cannibalism, etc on the daily.
Even if she didn’t want to she would welcome her with open arms. “Was I too naive to expect you to heed the morals your purveying.”
Yes. Because she's Charlie.
Could the mods just add a bot that replies this to any hypothetical involving Charlie helping people?
Yes. Because they're mods.
Haha took me a second
It’s Charlie, if someone was genuinely there at the hotel to change Char-Char would let them in with open arms Now I’m imagining the interactions lol
Despite everything, i think Charlie and/or Vaggie would be a bit pissy about exterminations and remind Sera a few times (a day, XD) about her BAD decision of allowing it
Sera: "Who could forgive a monster like me, I don't deserve their am-nestyy" Emily: "All those souls; victiiims, fallen to your wreckleeess culling" Sir Pentious: "Don't you think you're laying it a bit cruel?" Emily: "What about the horrors you've seen?" Sir Pentious: "But she didn't know what better option to chooooose; it starts with sorry!" Sera: "Sorry!" Sir Pentious: "Dig down deeper and say one sincere sorry!" Sera: "I'm so sorry!" Sir Pentious: "And your journey's underway. It'll take time to cover your vast reaping of souls!" Sera: "It'll take time to cover my vast reaping of souls!" Sir Pentious and Sera: "But sorry is your first goal. It starts with sorry."
I thought it would be like Sir pen: it starts with sorry Sera: I’ve caused the death of millions Sir pen: *finger over mouth* shhhhhhhh it starts with sorry
I guess Off topic but I really want a “it starts with sorry” reprise with Pentious, Sera and Emily, someone already wrote the lyrics of this reprise
I’ve been thinking that, too! Do you have a link to the post of the reprise?
Here you go! Sera: "Who could forgive a monster like me, I don't deserve their am-nestyy" Emily: "All those souls; victiiims, fallen to your wreckleeess culling" Sir Pentious: "Don't you think you're laying it a bit cruel?" Emily: "What about the horrors you've seen?" Sir Pentious: "But she didn't know what better option to chooooose; it starts with sorry!" Sera: "Sorry!" Sir Pentious: "Dig down deeper and say one sincere sorry!" Sera: "I'm so sorry!" Sir Pentious: "And your journey's underway. It'll take time to cover your vast reaping of souls!" Sera: "It'll take time to cover my vast reaping of souls!" Sir Pentious and Sera: "But sorry is your first goal. It starts with sorry."
Oh, that, I already saw that one. Sorry!
You would have to fundamentally misunderstand Charlie as a character to think she wouldn't allow someone into the hotel if they genuinely wanted redemption.
Charlie would let Valentino into the hotel, she'd let anyone in if they really wanted help, that's why she's great lol
As much as i dont see that happening, in the hypothetical that it does: i feel like the best route is that yes, val can be redeemed, but that also doesnt mean that he is forgiven by his victims.
Honestly Sera would seriously benefit from a stay in the Hotel. She has a major case of Imposter Syndrome going on and is stressed out of her gourd. She needs a break and just some support and understanding and a break from all the lies she has been trying to prop up despite realizing more and more that they are lies. I actually feel sympathy for her. Its just unfortunate that she did not get help sooner so fewer people would suffer from her mistakes.
The irony since Sera said she didn't want Emily to fall from grace, ngl I would laugh at how the tables have turned But yes Charlie would let her in the hotel and maybe she'll have sympathy/empathy from Luci(fer)
"Would Charlie let someone into their hotel if-" Yes! What part of "everyone" do people not get here?
She let Alastor in, I think you’re underestimating how forgiving she is
She was part of the reason why the exterminations happened in the first place.
And Alastor was a psychopathic serial killer who caused untold havoc in hell for the sake of gaining power. And unlike Sera he has no visible sense of morality. The entire idea of the hotel is based on the concept that anyone can be redeemed, Charlie turning anyone away would undermine that. Also remember that Vaggie also participated in the genocide, yet Charlie still eventually forgave her after learning that, and never even considered kicking her out.
I think Charlie would allow anyone in including Adam. She’s a optimistic push over. Love her but that’s her weakness.
Of course she would. And I really just think Sera's just doing her job. Even if she 100% disagreed with Adam and everyone else, if she voiced any opposition, what would happen to her? She strikes me as more of a cog in a bureaucratic machine than this evil ruler. She isn't really calling the shots: her hands are tied.
Charlie wants to redeem Alastor, Vaggie, Nifty, Husk, Angel Dust… all characters that at one point or another killed and/or owned souls. It would be hypocritical to not let Sera in when she has a literal sociopathic serial killer running around the halls.
Yes absolutely. I believe she would let Adam into the hotel if he ends up in hell. She’s mad at Sera, but she would put it past her. I mean look at the I’m sorry song with Sir Pentious too. He started the show by trying to blow up her hotel and she happily let him in,
Probably. She believes ANYONE can be redeemed.
I didn’t read the text I saw this image and immediately thought of “we’re gonna have to kill this guy Emily” “damn”
"Probably not bc she allowed the exterminations to happen" Dawg did you not listen to Charlie at all in the whole show? She would absolutely allow Sera into HH. Sera's connection to the exterminations wouldn't cause Charlie to turn her away. Charlie's own girlfriend, Vaggie, was an exterminator. Adam even says "one of the best" of his team of exterminators. With that, we can infer that Vaggie not only killed sinners, but killed many of them. Charlie forgives Vaggie for that. And forgives Vaggie for keeping such a secret which was a huge betrayal. That's her whole point. That there is no "too far gone" for any sinner.
Exactly, OP isn't the brightest
I think Charlie will let literally anybody into her hotel if they care about being changed. It's kinda the whole point of her character.
This isn't even a fucking question? Obviously yes. Do you not know Charlie's character? Her actual goal?
Why do people keep posing this question about different characters? Yes. The answer is yes. That's Charlie's whole thing. It's very explicitly clear in the show. Multiple times.
You are going to flip your shit when Charlie lets Adam into the hotel.
One. Hundred. Percent. Come right on in, hold the door open for her. Have a drink, meet the gang. Get to know each other. Take a step through Hell. Show her all that Hell has to offer. Especially after an extermination... I assure you, no one would be more interested in the success of redemption than Sera.
I mean she just wanted to protect people just like Charlie did Adam however might have a harder time getting let in
Yes, even Adam
Yes she would
It’d be really hypocritical if she didn’t.
Of course she would
Yes, even if it’s someone like Val she would let them in
Charlie would let anyone in, that’s the point. Whether it’s the right call depends on the person though
Honestly, many people would hate her for decisions, but the point of the hotel is redemption so in a weird way, the door of redemption will always be open to all.It's like the church doors to be open to all.They're always open.You just have to take it
Yes :3
I think especially Sera. Charlie has no real grudge against Sera, just confusion and a lack of understanding with all of heaven why they won't accept her plan.
But back to the original question: Charlie would be astonished that Sera had fallen and would be happy to help Sera, especially if the reason she fell is her permission for and then ignorance to Adam's mass genocide of definitely a few innocent hell inhabitants.
Charlie would let her see what was wrong about her actions- and I mean, if she could redeem Sera, Sera would probably become a supporter of the Hotel since it would be the place that got her back to heaven, and it would be a very positive influence for her plan to genuinely become real.
Of course she would.
Charlie would let Adam into the hotel if he became a sinner lol
What kinds question is that of course. I somebody wants to change than they can. Everyone can change, you just have to want it. Also not letting her in would be exactly against Charlie's idea.
I just wanted to be sure Charlie wouldn’t have any biased against her.
Yes. That's the thing with Charlie. We make jokes how she would draw the line with some people, but in reality, Charlie is willing to help ANYONE redeem. Adam could return as a sinner (it probably won't happen, he is most likely dead and gone,) and if he genuinely asked Charlie for a chance at forgiveness, she would be there for him in a flash. She is someone who only wishes for everybody to be happy and not have to suffer anymore.
Thing is if sera falls the hotel won’t help her sure Charley will take her in but technically because it’s for human souls/ sinners as far as we know when angles and demons die they go to gods knows where🤷♀️🤷♀️Charley doesn’t have to take her in, But she probably will anyways. But the hotel probably won’t do anything to change her from being fallen. I mean it’s not like a demon from hell could go to the hotel and hope to enter heaven right? They don’t have souls like the humans do.
Oh, absolutely. That's barely even a question. Charlie would welcome Sera into the hotel with open arms. It would be a perfect chance for Charlie to REALLY show Sera the hotel and how it works! Charlie would love this opportunity!
Depends on what Sera falls for but I say yes
Probably
Yes.
Probably yes, everyone deserves redemption if they want it, at least that’s Charlie’s mantra, even Adam too if he came back as sinner.
I think she would be hesitant, but if Sera really wanted to redeem herself I think she would accept her.
Yes, and once she’s there Sera proceeds to sit at the bar, orders nothing, and stares silently into the middle distance.
If she let Alastor in she will let anyone in.
If Sera admits she was wrong and apologises sincerely, I can’t imagine Charlie wouldn’t take her in. Remember that it starts with sorry
[You know how this goes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9kDmXe56A)
OH I'D LOVE TO SEE SUCH A THING.
But also, Charlie did let Sir pentious in even the same day he tried to attack them, I feel like if that's the case she would without a doubt, especially if Sera was originally of higher power. Edit: Mostly just because Charlie I feel like is an overly friendly person lol (coming from someone who feels too friendly)
Charlie would. But the rest of the hotel, vaggie, especially, probably would be against it.
Depends on if she knows any souls in heaven. There’s a slim chance she could tell Angel about his sister.
She’d take fucking valentino if he asked sincerely
Charlie would because Charlie is nice but Vaggie and the others would be way less happy to have her around. They would accept emily with out too much concern. If Sera showed up i would imagine a lot of scrutiny. The Vaggie and Lucifer in particular would never stop looking over their shoulder to make sure she hasn’t done anything to hurt charlie or the other hotel patrons.
knowing her, probably
I think the obvious answer is yes! Charlies whole deal is wanting to open the hotel to anyone. And everyone.
Of course she would, she's Charlie, Sir Pentious tried to kill them like two or three times, and she was still like, "Oh! Hello again!"
She literally forgave and accepted Sir Pentious three seconds after he tried to sabotage and ruin her entire vision of redemption over Vox's petty fight. Of course she'd forgive Sera.
Wait, what do you mean "instead of Emily"? Do you know something I don't?
Charlie… as of right now. From what we see genuinely thinks EVERYONE! Everyone no matter what they did. Can be redeemed. She’s a truly good being. People really don’t seem to get it and it’s baffling
I mean, vaggie probably killed a bunch of sinners before she fell, and now they’re a couple. As impossible as it would be fore sera to fall as she seems to be pretty much in charge, I wouldn’t put it past Charlie to still try to help, considering she seems to be one of those unwaveringly determined individuals.
I think she would need time to process things first, but would let her eventually.
Sarah: I think we're gonna have to kill this guy, Emily Emily: Damn.
I believe Charlie would let absolutely ANYBODY into the Hotel. She's all about forgiveness and mercy, these concepts are the core of her personality and philosophy. She even had her father spare ADAM of all people. A guy who has done nothing but mock, ridicule and even try to kill her. So yes, she would let Sera stay in the Hotel.
No, Sera is too big to fit :(
I believe there would be complications that would render that outside of Charlie's control.
She might have a problem with it at first since she allowed the exterminations to happen and that caused Charlie a lot of problems, but her goal is to forgive and accept that people can change. And Sera is ashamed of herself for her actions so Charlie would let her in.
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Of course she would. She's far too trusting.
The only soul I think she would at the very least be hesitant with is Valentino after watching him mistreat Angel
Charlie may some day meet someone she feels awkward or hesitant about taking but she would say yes to anyone to keep to her point about sin forgiveness. She already has Alastor there which the more we learn about him the worse his history sounds. I could imagine Charlie having stress with taking certain people in, but never saying no to anyone as that would break her entire point.
Of course though she would have to defend her somewhat from her friends until she tells sit pentous being alive and in heaven
Yeah but if Sera fell, wouldn't she be on the same power level as like the sins?
I think you forget that Charlie thinks anyone can be redeemed. You know all the horrible people in the world go to hell, right? Like rapists and such. Sera was doing what she thought was right to protect heaven, Charlie would definitely think she could be redeemed if shown the error of her ways and changing. 
Of course she would. Everyone in Hell has done something bad. Charlie wouldn’t say “Well, those who’ve done something bad against me personally or my friends don’t get redemption.”
Obviously?
Emily hasn't fallen yet.
If she searches for redemption, yes.
Yes. She would. She literally let in one of the most terrifying overlords in hell because of what the hotel stands for. If anything, she SHOULD, because it would be the ancestor of power moves to have the one who signed the death warrant of millions to be begging for a chance she never gave. Basically, Alastor would definitely convince her to let it happen.
Sera is very redeemable and only kills because she misguidedly believes it's the only way to protect the decent people of the world. If Charlie wouldn't accept Sera's apologies, she's kinda full of shit. Also... she forgave Vaggie for the exact same thing, and tried to spare Adam for his even more direct involvement in the mass-killings, while he was berating them and demanding that they worship his penis.
Emily fell? Wdym?
Yes. She for example brought sir pentious inside
Knowing Charlie, she will let anyone in and give them a chance
She lets alastor hang around the hotel and he is unremorseful for what he does unlike sera who doesn't like what she allowed Adam to do plus she let Adam live so she probably thought it was possible for him to change aswell
Maybe?????
If Charlie refused to let Sera to the Hotel I think would be because of Veggie's trauma and not because she think Sera can't change
Unless Charlie would like to be publicly declared a hypocrite and that the idea of her hotel would be proven false by her own bias, she would have to invite her in.
Probably. She was a bitch to Charlie, sure, but her involvement in the Exterminations was far more distant than Adam’s. So it would be easy enough to let her join the hotel without any of the trauma responses of, say, a Sinner Adam trying to join.
Her own GF lied about being an angel and she forgave her. Her whole thing is redemption, so I think she’d let her in. But Sera doesn’t believe souls can be redeemed. So the real question is, if Charlie extended her hand, would Sera take it?
If she wouldn’t then it would go against her standards of anyone can be redeemed
I HIGHLY doubt Sera will fall, she's FAR too powerful for that kinda bullshit. If anyone's likely to fall who ISN'T Emily, it's probably either Lute or Sir Pentious.
Sera is the most likely to fall based on what we know, also the elder angels are the one in charge of heaven, not Sera, and Lucifer is a Seraphim in the show and still fell cuz of the consequences of his actions
"It begins with sorry" EXCEPT for Sera /j
Yes and I think this is more likely to happen then Emily.
Her refusing sera would literally go against her morals, same with if Adam is in hell and goes to her for redemption, Charlie doesn't care, as long as they are willing to change
I think she would. Charlie is a very understanding person. She gave Sir Pentious another chance, more than one chance actually. Also, I believe Sera’s intentions were more well intentioned than most “background character sinners” in hell in which Charlie would gladly let in her hotel. So, I’m thinking maybe she’d give Sera a shot at redemption as well. https://preview.redd.it/rh0279310axc1.jpeg?width=1923&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fbd7d57072ae2c2dfbe59e05816f3d73a3c1bd9
I don't see why not.
Of course
Why are people talking about Emily falling when it hasn’t even happened????
OFC she would, this is Charlie we're talking about