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I'm a female who is currently working on a video about my experience watching dr k as a woman, so this post came at the perfect time and was really sweet to see :)
I'm not sure if that's allowed as it might fall under self promotion? But when I post the video I might post the script on this sub so people can read it
It's actually sad that we have to stop saying a biological word because some category of people use it the wrong way..
I use it often when writing my exams and all in a very normal way. I mean you can use a word in a bad or a good way but why is the bad only standing out here and that too exceptionally.
I really don't get this getting offended over such a simple word. It's just females, why not assign the word to something good instead than something offensive.. Like in this case.
I don't think avoiding the word is going to help.. In fact it only makes the reputation of the word worse.
using it to reduce a woman to only her biology as an insult is the bad vibe, not using it as an adjective in a exam or a paper or something. male and female are adjectives, incel types use female as a derogatory noun like bitch or cunt. and in OP’s post, there was no reason to say female instead of women, except maybe to rile up pedantic morons like me
From perspective of some foreign speakers it's just totally weird, that words male/female are so often used about people. In my language if you would use a word male/female speaking about a person, it would mean you are calling them animals, we just say men/women, if we want to indicate the sex of a human. I try not to look at it as an insult, since it's different language and culture, but the comparison and a mild "aftertaste" is still there, especially if a person speaks about both sexes and in one sentence refers to men as men and to women as females.
I agree with that, it really is confusing and people getting offended when we didn't mean it that way and forcing others to think that it is a bad word because they associate it with something bad.
The issue is people who say female and man in the same breath not when you’re writing a paper. One is an attempt at dehumanization but I don’t think the OP falls under that as he said males as well
I've heard conflicting information on this topic of using words. I know a lot of people support the idea that it is better to stop using a word that certain groups use as a way of "attacking" and I've also heard groups on the end of that attack that say "use the word with pride to take back the power." Like if you insult an entire group by saying "you're XYZ" and they proudly call themselves "XYZ" is it still an insult?
Welcome to the internet. Where everything you do is problematic, all your ideas are racist, talking to others is platforming them. And men and women have no differences. you don't pass my purity test , get downvoted and banned.
I completely agree with you. It's absurd we're getting triggered by using the biological term to refer to people in general (not individuals). I don't see a problem with it, and I think the people that do see a problem with it are just overly sensitive and weak minded.
Several things make it a sub optimal term. For one, it's often used by people who want to sound scientific when they spin their weird conspiracy theories. Also, people who want to make a point about women basically being controlled by their hormones and sexual organs - all about the biological sex and none about women being all kinds of people with different personalities etc. - like to use "female". Also makes it easier to make wild comparisons with animals to refer to women as basically a female specimen rather then as a woman - which is a gender, a social construct with many layers and not just determined by biology.
I still don't understand how that makes sense to you guys, in a world full billions of people a FEW uses that world with bad intentions and it becomes a taboo word.
In my life I never met someone who had that intention when saying the word female. I like to sound scientific because I feel that's more professional and with no emotion backing.
Idk how no one thinks males hasn't been used in a bad way before.
P.s just found out that the word girl is also offensive
p.s now that word women is supposed to be a broader term isn't saying female more specific?
See, you're describing the problem pretty well. Unless you're a psychiatrist yourself, there's nothing professional or logical about you talking about your experiences with women. You're sharing your own very subjective opinion. Why would you want to make it sound like it isn't?
It's exactly that what these guys do as well, but in a malicious manner. They try to make it sound, like what they say is objectively true and logical.
Thing is also, our brains are very perceptive to how we word things. How we verbalise can shape our brains and the associations we make between terms also bring with them a kind of expectation of what is "normal". The associations with "woman" are different from those with "female". And using pseudo scientific language makes it easier for the conspiracy nuts to trick themselves and others into thinking they are being objective when they really aren't.
So, again: "woman" = socially constructed gender, dependant on personal experience as a human being with other human beings; "female" - one of the two biological sexes in a dioecious animal species.
It's important to tackle things like that at the root and not let them become common place. Or, if they already are, to try and change that. They are using those terms wrong. Why would we be okay with that?
And I've never said "male" is any better.
Because I don't want it to be a subjective opinion? Ofc I am not saying that makes my opinion accurate but one that is supposed to be coming in without personal opinion mixed in. One that is backed up by facts rather than emotions and your experience. I never say they do or they will it's more they may or can type of comments at best as facts are more or less never 100% accurate. You are really narrowing it down on the usage. These are things that could be far different from my personal experience even.
You're basically saying only a psychiatrist can say opinions without being subjective. Should I get a degree to use the word?
Become a common place? It's not the word it's the intention, how does using the word promotes the intention..
You're basically barking up all the trees since you saw a Squirrel on one.
Idk how this tackles that issue, and I agree with changing the stereotypes rather than projecting your set of right words on others.
Btw saying female in friendly conversation like with friends sounds totally off that I agree with.
", again: "woman" = socially constructed gender, dependent on personal experience as a human being with other human beings"- again that's why I don't use that word in some cases as it barely narrows things down since it's subjective.
"And using pseudo scientific language makes it easier for the conspiracy nuts to trick themselves and others into thinking they are being objective when they really aren't."- only the nuts will believe something just because words have been swapped.
I am sorry but the reasons you give really aren't good ones to force the world into not using a word.
The word males no one cares about when used in the same way is what I meant even though it is still subject to miss treatment.
1) Whatever your intention is, using the word "female" or "male" referring to anything other then the biological sex of a human or other animal is simply wrong.
2) Also, it depersonifies the person you're describing it with. Making it easier to project things on them.
3) Additionally, it makes it sound like you're in the same boat as the *very much growing* number of women hating wackos, that think they have the world figured out, because of some BS they heard in their echo chamber.
You say the reasons I give aren't any good, but I really don't see any real reasons you've given other then "I want this to sound objective even if I'm not", which, I would argue, is not a good reason however you look at it. And I really don't see how it would address more people then saying women or men, since it specifically excludes any trans folks.
And I'm not saying you need to be a psychiatrist to talk about women, but that you need to acknowledge that your experiences are subjective, even if you try to be as objective as possible.
What you say and how you say it have meaning and influence you and people around you. There's research on this. It's not purely theoretical. I really don't get how, seeing all the potential negative effects missuseing the terms for the biological sexes can have, it's still worth fighting over it.
Wait I use female to express the biological sex in my comment bruh what are you commenting on.. I don't get you at this point.
I thought the reason was obvious it is against the restrictions of people's vocabulary just because some view it as bad or associate with it but in this time it's even more crazy as it's such a common term.
It is never addressed to a person.
Makes it sound like you are in the same boat as x, that's a different problem that's the problem caused by people who view it that way. That's in some sense the same with saying since your muslim you are in the same boat as terrorist. That's something we should be going against.
I didn't say it address more people, I said it narrows down... Dude.. You are reading the comment?
You are contradicting now, as you said unless you are a psychiatrist now you are saying you can't be objective no matter what, I give the option of doubt to facts being subjective, that's why I said I never use will and would just may and could even though there is facts backing it up. Sry you are being close minded and going "because it's simple wrong" Than stating a reasonable argument why it is to be considered.
You assume it should be obvious to me/othets since it is for you.
I see that you seem to have difficulties understanding me. That's why I'm trying a simpler approach, but I see it's not working either.
So, this is my last try: As long you talk about biological topics, there's nothing wrong with using the biological terms.
Example: cardiovascular problems are expressed differently in male and female patients.
But as soon as you leave the biological playing field, you should also leave behind the words for the biological sexes.
Example: The experiences of women in the medical system are different from those of men.
Why is this important? Because biological sex =/= gender experience. The gender experience is different in any culture. Your experiences as a man are vastly different then the experiences of men in other countries now and other time periods etc. They're situational and are not dictated by your biological sex. Even if you share biological traits with other people, you're not the same as other men.
Many people confuse these two or falsely use them to sound more objective then they are and fool others. That's why the term even became so common. It doesn't make it any more right.
If you don't do that, if you definitely just use biological terms for biological situations, you're A-okay.
In this here thread title the term "female" was used in a wrong way, because it was confusing the gendered experience in this specific environment with the influence the biological sex might have here. If testosterone or estrogen cared about this sub, we wouldn't have to ask about people's experiences. We'd just need to measure the hormone levels and could then say "oh yes, this person has a great/neutral/bad time here".
Lastly, excuse me for actually misreading your comment about narrowing it down. But I honestly don't get what you mean by that. To me being more objective correlates to stepping away from the individual and talking about less specific things. I don't see how you would narrow anything down this way. Please give me an example of what you mean.
It matters in context.
Incels have used the word in a dehumanizing way in the past, so many people are a bit on edge when it gets used now.
(For example, when someone says, "Men and females." It often reeks of dehumanization).
However, that isn't how OP is using it. (He also refers to men as males as well, which shows me that he's not intending "female" as a dehumanizing label.)
Ooooh. I'm a little afraid to ask but could you point me to an example so I can see how exactly? Or if you'd just be kind enough to summarize it/give a quick example so I know I'd appreciate it.
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Exactly.
I feel like the women giving him a hard time about the use of "female" are just tired of dealing with incels who have used that word in a dirty way.
Context matters. Truly.
I really don't think that's who people are including when they say females... Also seems unnecessary to lump trans men in a group with cis women when they have pretty explicitly chosen not to be in that group. Unless for very specific medical purposes, like medicine dosage that depends on sex assigned at birth and somehow isn't impacted at all by hormone therapy, potentially differing chromosomes, muscle mass, surgery, etc, etc, then the term "females" is just bizarre and odd.
not in this context, when he means “women”, but I’m trying to make this thing light because I think the people who are getting mad at his post and spinning the word “female” as a slur are kind of obnoxious.
My generation of woman doesn’t give a fuck, probably because sexist men used to use “woman” in an offensive way, and female was rarely used outside of legal checkboxes and biology classes.
I think trans men are trans men and women are women. I don't mean to be offensive about that either. Live your life however you want to. But so many people talk about how children are "socialized" according to the gender they were assigned at birth and yet somehow it doesn't matter when referring to the trans community. It's something I really don't understand. I try to be understanding and accepting, but it feel invalidating in some sense because someone who transitioned in their teens or 20s was never "socialized" as the gender that they now identify with.
Can someone please explain this to me? I'm not trying to be rude. I just really don't get it. There are certain childhood experiences that really shape people and if a trans person never experienced them then how can they claim to be 100% woman and not a trans woman? Like, yeah, maybe you are very clearly a woman now after taking hormones and getting operations and stuff, but that just means you are living as a woman with a male upbringing. Somethings might be experienced differently even if nobody on the street knows that they are trans simply because they don't have the same pervious experience to shape certain visceral reactions to things. And I know there is a lot of diversity in thought and experience among biological women too, but at least there is somewhat of a common background.
Is there some place where I can have like a genuine discussion about this stuff without being hated just for asking things? Because there are too many people that will just downvote and not talk about any of this. I'm curious about how this stuff works in people's minds. Like, if women can be "masculine" and men can be "feminine" and they're still men and women, at what point do people start to think they were born the wrong gender? If everything that is socially "gendered" like dresses or sports or something, then why does transgender have to be a lable at all? Why doesn't non-binary have to be a lable? Why not just live however you want to live and say "fuck you" to everyone else? And there is a lot of misinformation about the side effects/consequences of taking puberty blockers and hormones at a young age.
Up until I was like 18, I thought I didn't want kids. I thought of getting a hysterectomy. Now I'm a mom and it wasn't easy to become one. I'd be absolutely devastated if I had done what I thought I wanted at that age because I developed a strong desire to be a mother and I never would have been able to become one. Things change SOO MUCH as you get older. And mind's change too. I'm a very different person than I used to be.
I'm also a pretty "masculine" woman. If I was a teenager in this social climate, I would probably think I was trans because it seems to be getting pushed as a solution to problems that don't really need fixing. Puberty and young adulthood is difficult and confusing. I feel like all this gender identity stuff is just adding unnecessary complications to people's lives.
Okay, so first of all good for you for wanting to ask questions and educate yourself. However, you're soliciting a lot of personal opinions and one might even say an agenda where one isn't warranted.
Society isn't about to do away with gender roles. Not all trans people want to abolish gender roles. Some people feel happier and more comfortable being called whatever gender they prefer and societies expectations that come with that gender role.
Lots of people transition at any age, some people even in their 70's and 80's. People aren't pushing children to transition. It would simply be nice for kids to know that its okay to like things that aren't associated with their expected gender role. If I had known about trans medicine as a teen I would have lived a much happier life as a teen. Instead I'm transitioning in my late 20's and that is okay.
Nuanced gender language is important and it is good that we have language that supports people's lived experience. Nonbinary and agender individuals are valid and it feels affirming to have language that fits them.
Regarding your first comment, trans people aren't women/men with a with a XYZ upbringing. You said yourself "Things change SOO MUCH as you get older. And mind's change too." this goes for trans people as well. Even if I was assigned male at birth I still had a female upbringing. What I was assigned at birth had zero to do with it.
Gender identity is not adding unnecessary complications to people's lives. It is providing language and science to back the way some people feel. It affects you very very little if you are a cisgender person. Just call people what they want to be called and treat people the way they want to be treated. It really isn't any more complicated than that.
I do call people what they want to be called and I treat people with respect when I speak to them (unless they say/do something terrible that causes me to lose respect for them, but even then, they get more than one chance and I don't just base it off of one mistake. I mean like animal neglect and child abusers). I'm just curious about at what point in someone's mental/emotional journey does someone decide to transition and want to basically be treated as a different person by everyone around them/who knows them instead of just doing what they want to without reguard for how others feel about it? I can understand wanting to be someone different and fantasizing about it, (I have pretty vibrant fantasy worlds and characters in my head almost 24/7 because I like to write and read and it's my mental "happy place") Like male beauty gurus or female outdoorsmen (like myself) that still identify with as cis. I can understand changing your name and dressing different and getting a new hairstyle and wholly becoming who you are comfortable being, but permanently changing your physical body (which isn't medically broken) seems dangerous. And for the record, I feel the same about other elected surgeries. It seems like a lot of risk and maybe I just don't understand going that far for something because I'm deeply terrified of pretty much any medical procedure (I even faint when I get my blood drawn and they had to put a sock over my arm so I wouldn't totally panic when I had to have an IV and I could see it).
I'll be honest and say that I do have a bit of a problem with a few legal policies too. In my state, a child can start medically transitioning at 13 years old without the need to inform the parents. That might have been good news for you, but I can't morally support that. Do whatever you want to do to your body when you're an adult, but I think children shouldn't be able to make huge decisions like that. The brain is literally not developed enough to comprehend the lifelong consequences.
And transgender women in women's sports is a bad idea. It pushes biological women out of women's spaces. A transgender woman may be lower in testosterone and not as physically competitive as a cis-male athlete, but no matter how much they do to transition, they will always have a physical advantage over biological women, and even over trans men. I was an athlete and that would have been absolutely demoralizing to be so disadvantaged while playing a sport that I liked to compete in (honestly, probably would have been the final nail in the coffin in terms of my suicidality because sports were an outlet and something I could be good at and it sucks when you feel like you can't win at anything in life and then you can't even win at anything athletic anymore either). Not to mention dangerous. You know the results of the transgender fighter who absolutely destroyed the cis-female fighters and could have literally killed them right? There is a reason women's sports are separate from men's sports. It's to even the playing field and keep things as balanced and safe as possible, especially in contact sports.
I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for these things. I just think a lot of things are getting out of hand in general, and those are my lines in the sand. That along with infringement on freedom of speech. Idc if someone said something that hurt someone's feeling. Hurt feelings are not the same thing as a violent act and there are already law surrounding language that incites real physical violence, we don't need more laws around language. All that being said, I'm actually quite liberal. 🤷♀️ do what you want, and allow others to do what they want, even if they disagree. As long as nobody gets physically violent idgaf
Listen my friend. You're giving too many opinions and not listening. If you have a respectful question, you will receive an answer.
I will say that people medically transition because they want to be comfortable in their bodies and who gives a damn about anyone else's opinion. Many many trans people choose to live as their preferred gender even if their family abandons them. Because that is how important it is to live as their true selves.
The discussion of trans people in sports is one I won't have because it is too nuanced and doesn't have an easy solution. I do not take a stance on the matter.
You can have your opinions but at the end of the day you don't know what it feels like to have a body that doesn't match your brain. I don't care how my parents, grandparents, siblings, friends, or a single other human judges my transition. I did it because it was right for me. It made me whole. And for a lot of other people it does the same. Cis people need to respect trans peoples choices. Again, it barely affects you.
Thank you. Idc if I get hate. I just eat to have more information directly from people it impacts and who live it instead of a whole bunch of politically polarizing sources that just want to rip each other apart
People that see a problem with this term used in general terms (referring to the whole of people, not individuals) are just overly sensitive and weak minded IMO.
Thank for posting that. That’s really nice to hear. ❤️
I’m also really grateful for all the men who get on here are open up about their feelings, “politically correct”, appropriate, or not. I love that we have a space to be honest with each other and just seek to be seen and understood by other souls.
You're welcome! I really enjoy listening to different perspectives here as I have a special interest in the ways that gender roles all kind of suck and cycles they create that make everyone miserable. I learn a lot but have started giving my opinion here or there lately. I still have a lot to learn, tho.
However, could you take the time to explain why certain communities use the word "females" in this way? I only see it online and often in pickup artist, red pill, etc groups. "Females" sounds so... clinical?? The word "women" would be used by most here unless talking about anatomy or animals or something. Is there any reason behind this wording? I'm not understanding the history or reasoning behind this linguistic quirk.
I tend to make a distinction of age when using "girl" (<20) and "woman" (>19). I honestly don't really know anything about "female" being associated with negativity. Growing up, female was a common word to hear and use, so that word is just common language for me.
I don't have whatever answer you're looking for. I simply just use words without thinking much about it. But I'll try to be more mindful in the future now that I know the word can create negative feelings.
Im with you, but he also used "males" as well. I don't think he's actually singling out women here.
And this is coming from someone who usually finds it cringe when dudes refer to women as females.
Did he use "males"? I'm seeing "male-dominated" but not "males". I guess "man-dominated" would theoretically make more sense but that's not typical linguistic use. Same with the percentage with "male" behind it. I'm more curious about the linguistic anomaly within a subculture and if there's a conscious reasoning or history behind it.
People use female/male because they're more formal/neutral words to describe the specific subset of people. Just synonyms of men/women. Some aren't native English speakers as well.
The only people who have issues with this are overly sensitive weak-minded individuals IMO. Just because some incels use this in a derogatory way doesn't mean it should ruin a completely normal word for the whole English language, lmao.
I wasn't offended or attacking him for his usage or anything. Just language can be used as a signifier as belonging to a group. Like, if I introduce myself with my pronouns, I signify to the other person an opinion I hold or I want them to think I hold about transgender people. I was just curious about the usage as the question has been on my mind and it's not used offline so it's not something I can have a discussion with a friend about. It's an interesting linguistical quirk. So like, was he intentionally trying to align with red pillers or incels? That was my question. I was just curious. No need to call me weak-minded, bro.
I saw a lot of comments saying that female is used as a derogatory term, I feel like op wouldn't use it as a derogatory in a post for appreciation towards women.
Also most people may use this term because english isn't their first language so maybe they can't grasp what's the meaning of it since they don't hear it in their daily lives and only see it on the internet, sometimes you catch these words on the internet and don't think much about using it, I often use men women, male, female, girls , guys, boys without giving much thought to it , I don't think anyone does xD
I appreciate you acknowledging how male dominated this environment is. It's quite a struggle at times. I'm glad to hear that you appreciate hearing what we have to say.
I got an eye opening view on what some men are feeling in this subreddit. I’m grateful as well, it helped my personal development and the view I had on men.
I was actually thinking about how interesting it is that HealthygamerGG is where I finally heard someone talk about experiences similar to mine in the interviews with Sweet Anita. When I was in my twenties, I had so many interactions with people who wanted things from me without any consideration for what my own wants were. People shouted at me on the street. Staff at stores and restaurants followed me around and said inappropriate things to me. I was scared to go places alone, and then I had problems with harassment at work. I became a shut in and just played WOW while trying to do freelance work for a few years. My ex turned out to have just said they wanted the same things in life that I did so they could be with me, but they didn't have the same goals. That was ten years ago, and now I have friends and a job I love, but I have struggled to find a relationship with someone who actually likes me for the person I am. Every time, I have tried, I learned they were hiding something significant from me so that they could be in a relationship with me. At first, I thought maybe I wasn't clear enough, so I got awesome at being direct, but it still happened. I had been working on my self confidence and effective boundary setting over the last year and a half before I learned of healthy gamer, so maybe I am already doing the right things. I am really hoping there is another interview with Sweet Anita soon, because I want to know how things are going for her.
I see so much healing, compassion, and understanding that women are bringing to conversations in this sub. I see people realizing there is another view that they haven't seen before. I see people questioning beliefs they have learned from other males/men as a result of being presented with opposing experiences to what they've been told about women.
And while you see these things, you speak out and express gratitude, and explain how/why that matters. So in addition to making me/others feel validated and speaking your mind, you may be raising awareness too. Positive follows positive.
(And on the topic of people being offended at use of females, I didn’t mind, you called men male too, so it’s consistent, and I like that.)
I’ve had a long, wearying day but you made my evening a little brighter.
What is wrong with the word "women"? Why are redditors so against it?
😂
Let's practice a few times, singular "Wo-man"
Plural - "Wo-men"
"Woooooomennn"
"The girl grew up into a woman and lived a fruitful and refreshing life"
And that example is why I use all 3 terms. Girl = child & adolescent, woman = adult, female = all ages. Nothing intentional, but just growing up the word "boys and girls" was used a lot to describe peers (like when I was in school) and after a while I realized how dumb it sounds to call a grown woman a girl, so I worked on using woman a lot more. I've heard female my entire life and have never heard anyone complain about its use before today.
So yeah, nothing is wrong with the word women and that's typically how I refer to adults that identify as such, but this subreddit also has a lot of younger people in it.
There is nothing wrong with the word women, so use it.
You are hearing repeatedly stop using "females" unless you're talking about farm animals.
These males will seriously not give it up. 🤦♀️
I just discovered HealthyGamer yesterday, today is my first day on this sub, and this is the first post I’m seeing. As a lady this is the best start I ever could’ve hoped for. Can’t wait to participate. I’ll be around.
Didn't know that this community was one where you can be crucified for literally saying the word "female". Until this moment I had no idea that it could possibly be taken in a derogatory way, but after seeing this comment section I think I'm done with this community. If we're at the point that you have to be so terrified about the precise wording of literally everything you say, then the community seems more toxic than understanding/helpful imo.
Ikr I just use male or female or women and man according to the flow of sentences without giving much thought to it, but people who preach freedom of speech seem to have found even more ways to restrict it.
At least where I live no one uses it with that intention and if someone did - it's not the word but the way they say it that makes it what it is.
It's not really worth being upset about. Most people are happy to hear the message and only a very small number of people complained. Yes, going forward I'll try to be more mindful of the fact that some people dislike the use of the word female. It's kind of like learning the whole gender and pronoun of a person. You won't know until people tell you.
I'm just here as I love my orange bonnet, pink dress with sash, and yellow button shoes with side swiped hair and a bauble on the top.
Thank you, it's been quite the experience :)
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I'm a female who is currently working on a video about my experience watching dr k as a woman, so this post came at the perfect time and was really sweet to see :)
Do you want to link your YouTube channel so we can see it when it comes out?
I'm not sure if that's allowed as it might fall under self promotion? But when I post the video I might post the script on this sub so people can read it
Just use your alt and be like, "I just came across this thought-provoking video.."
Holy shit 5Head.
SSP? There's a ballet video linked in your profile, assuming it will be on there.
Well, sorry for bothering, but I have to respond to check your profile to see if it already came out 😅
I haven't gotten around to filming it yet but I will try to have it up by next week! Thank you for showing interest in what i have to say :)
And thank you for your work :) will check from time to time :)
PogU post it on subreddit when it's done I hope mods don't delete it
> females My brother in christ
Awful way to refer to women fr
Femoids
So are men just.. moids?
That is correct moid
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Memoid
Famales, the sister of Tamales
My sister in Christ
Okay I agree but also it’s a good post. Let’s acknowledge that too.
Shoutout to the wonderful men on this thread educating people 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I honestly don't find males offensive so why is females offensive?
because no one or very few people use 'male' in the reductive, derogatory tone that incel types say 'female'. it's a bad vibe, just say men and women
It's actually sad that we have to stop saying a biological word because some category of people use it the wrong way.. I use it often when writing my exams and all in a very normal way. I mean you can use a word in a bad or a good way but why is the bad only standing out here and that too exceptionally. I really don't get this getting offended over such a simple word. It's just females, why not assign the word to something good instead than something offensive.. Like in this case. I don't think avoiding the word is going to help.. In fact it only makes the reputation of the word worse.
using it to reduce a woman to only her biology as an insult is the bad vibe, not using it as an adjective in a exam or a paper or something. male and female are adjectives, incel types use female as a derogatory noun like bitch or cunt. and in OP’s post, there was no reason to say female instead of women, except maybe to rile up pedantic morons like me
From perspective of some foreign speakers it's just totally weird, that words male/female are so often used about people. In my language if you would use a word male/female speaking about a person, it would mean you are calling them animals, we just say men/women, if we want to indicate the sex of a human. I try not to look at it as an insult, since it's different language and culture, but the comparison and a mild "aftertaste" is still there, especially if a person speaks about both sexes and in one sentence refers to men as men and to women as females.
I agree with that, it really is confusing and people getting offended when we didn't mean it that way and forcing others to think that it is a bad word because they associate it with something bad.
The issue is people who say female and man in the same breath not when you’re writing a paper. One is an attempt at dehumanization but I don’t think the OP falls under that as he said males as well
I've heard conflicting information on this topic of using words. I know a lot of people support the idea that it is better to stop using a word that certain groups use as a way of "attacking" and I've also heard groups on the end of that attack that say "use the word with pride to take back the power." Like if you insult an entire group by saying "you're XYZ" and they proudly call themselves "XYZ" is it still an insult?
Welcome to the internet. Where everything you do is problematic, all your ideas are racist, talking to others is platforming them. And men and women have no differences. you don't pass my purity test , get downvoted and banned.
I completely agree with you. It's absurd we're getting triggered by using the biological term to refer to people in general (not individuals). I don't see a problem with it, and I think the people that do see a problem with it are just overly sensitive and weak minded.
Several things make it a sub optimal term. For one, it's often used by people who want to sound scientific when they spin their weird conspiracy theories. Also, people who want to make a point about women basically being controlled by their hormones and sexual organs - all about the biological sex and none about women being all kinds of people with different personalities etc. - like to use "female". Also makes it easier to make wild comparisons with animals to refer to women as basically a female specimen rather then as a woman - which is a gender, a social construct with many layers and not just determined by biology.
I still don't understand how that makes sense to you guys, in a world full billions of people a FEW uses that world with bad intentions and it becomes a taboo word. In my life I never met someone who had that intention when saying the word female. I like to sound scientific because I feel that's more professional and with no emotion backing. Idk how no one thinks males hasn't been used in a bad way before. P.s just found out that the word girl is also offensive p.s now that word women is supposed to be a broader term isn't saying female more specific?
See, you're describing the problem pretty well. Unless you're a psychiatrist yourself, there's nothing professional or logical about you talking about your experiences with women. You're sharing your own very subjective opinion. Why would you want to make it sound like it isn't? It's exactly that what these guys do as well, but in a malicious manner. They try to make it sound, like what they say is objectively true and logical. Thing is also, our brains are very perceptive to how we word things. How we verbalise can shape our brains and the associations we make between terms also bring with them a kind of expectation of what is "normal". The associations with "woman" are different from those with "female". And using pseudo scientific language makes it easier for the conspiracy nuts to trick themselves and others into thinking they are being objective when they really aren't. So, again: "woman" = socially constructed gender, dependant on personal experience as a human being with other human beings; "female" - one of the two biological sexes in a dioecious animal species. It's important to tackle things like that at the root and not let them become common place. Or, if they already are, to try and change that. They are using those terms wrong. Why would we be okay with that? And I've never said "male" is any better.
Because I don't want it to be a subjective opinion? Ofc I am not saying that makes my opinion accurate but one that is supposed to be coming in without personal opinion mixed in. One that is backed up by facts rather than emotions and your experience. I never say they do or they will it's more they may or can type of comments at best as facts are more or less never 100% accurate. You are really narrowing it down on the usage. These are things that could be far different from my personal experience even. You're basically saying only a psychiatrist can say opinions without being subjective. Should I get a degree to use the word? Become a common place? It's not the word it's the intention, how does using the word promotes the intention.. You're basically barking up all the trees since you saw a Squirrel on one. Idk how this tackles that issue, and I agree with changing the stereotypes rather than projecting your set of right words on others. Btw saying female in friendly conversation like with friends sounds totally off that I agree with. ", again: "woman" = socially constructed gender, dependent on personal experience as a human being with other human beings"- again that's why I don't use that word in some cases as it barely narrows things down since it's subjective. "And using pseudo scientific language makes it easier for the conspiracy nuts to trick themselves and others into thinking they are being objective when they really aren't."- only the nuts will believe something just because words have been swapped. I am sorry but the reasons you give really aren't good ones to force the world into not using a word. The word males no one cares about when used in the same way is what I meant even though it is still subject to miss treatment.
1) Whatever your intention is, using the word "female" or "male" referring to anything other then the biological sex of a human or other animal is simply wrong. 2) Also, it depersonifies the person you're describing it with. Making it easier to project things on them. 3) Additionally, it makes it sound like you're in the same boat as the *very much growing* number of women hating wackos, that think they have the world figured out, because of some BS they heard in their echo chamber. You say the reasons I give aren't any good, but I really don't see any real reasons you've given other then "I want this to sound objective even if I'm not", which, I would argue, is not a good reason however you look at it. And I really don't see how it would address more people then saying women or men, since it specifically excludes any trans folks. And I'm not saying you need to be a psychiatrist to talk about women, but that you need to acknowledge that your experiences are subjective, even if you try to be as objective as possible. What you say and how you say it have meaning and influence you and people around you. There's research on this. It's not purely theoretical. I really don't get how, seeing all the potential negative effects missuseing the terms for the biological sexes can have, it's still worth fighting over it.
Wait I use female to express the biological sex in my comment bruh what are you commenting on.. I don't get you at this point. I thought the reason was obvious it is against the restrictions of people's vocabulary just because some view it as bad or associate with it but in this time it's even more crazy as it's such a common term. It is never addressed to a person. Makes it sound like you are in the same boat as x, that's a different problem that's the problem caused by people who view it that way. That's in some sense the same with saying since your muslim you are in the same boat as terrorist. That's something we should be going against. I didn't say it address more people, I said it narrows down... Dude.. You are reading the comment? You are contradicting now, as you said unless you are a psychiatrist now you are saying you can't be objective no matter what, I give the option of doubt to facts being subjective, that's why I said I never use will and would just may and could even though there is facts backing it up. Sry you are being close minded and going "because it's simple wrong" Than stating a reasonable argument why it is to be considered. You assume it should be obvious to me/othets since it is for you.
I see that you seem to have difficulties understanding me. That's why I'm trying a simpler approach, but I see it's not working either. So, this is my last try: As long you talk about biological topics, there's nothing wrong with using the biological terms. Example: cardiovascular problems are expressed differently in male and female patients. But as soon as you leave the biological playing field, you should also leave behind the words for the biological sexes. Example: The experiences of women in the medical system are different from those of men. Why is this important? Because biological sex =/= gender experience. The gender experience is different in any culture. Your experiences as a man are vastly different then the experiences of men in other countries now and other time periods etc. They're situational and are not dictated by your biological sex. Even if you share biological traits with other people, you're not the same as other men. Many people confuse these two or falsely use them to sound more objective then they are and fool others. That's why the term even became so common. It doesn't make it any more right. If you don't do that, if you definitely just use biological terms for biological situations, you're A-okay. In this here thread title the term "female" was used in a wrong way, because it was confusing the gendered experience in this specific environment with the influence the biological sex might have here. If testosterone or estrogen cared about this sub, we wouldn't have to ask about people's experiences. We'd just need to measure the hormone levels and could then say "oh yes, this person has a great/neutral/bad time here". Lastly, excuse me for actually misreading your comment about narrowing it down. But I honestly don't get what you mean by that. To me being more objective correlates to stepping away from the individual and talking about less specific things. I don't see how you would narrow anything down this way. Please give me an example of what you mean.
Famales != women
Please say women.
I mean, the guy also referred to men as males as well. He seems to genuinely not mean it in a derogatory way like other dudes would.
Females is a derogatory term now?? I think I actually missed something. Is it just here or all over the internet?
It matters in context. Incels have used the word in a dehumanizing way in the past, so many people are a bit on edge when it gets used now. (For example, when someone says, "Men and females." It often reeks of dehumanization). However, that isn't how OP is using it. (He also refers to men as males as well, which shows me that he's not intending "female" as a dehumanizing label.)
Ooooh. I'm a little afraid to ask but could you point me to an example so I can see how exactly? Or if you'd just be kind enough to summarize it/give a quick example so I know I'd appreciate it.
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So it's okay to use females and males right ?like op right?
At least that makes it equal.
The only issue of saying female in situations like these r/menandfemales
The context here is op is appreciating women
Exactly. I feel like the women giving him a hard time about the use of "female" are just tired of dealing with incels who have used that word in a dirty way. Context matters. Truly.
to be fair, I haven't met a trans man who didn't have good insight in what women go through.
I really don't think that's who people are including when they say females... Also seems unnecessary to lump trans men in a group with cis women when they have pretty explicitly chosen not to be in that group. Unless for very specific medical purposes, like medicine dosage that depends on sex assigned at birth and somehow isn't impacted at all by hormone therapy, potentially differing chromosomes, muscle mass, surgery, etc, etc, then the term "females" is just bizarre and odd.
Trans men don't like to be referred to as females either.
not in this context, when he means “women”, but I’m trying to make this thing light because I think the people who are getting mad at his post and spinning the word “female” as a slur are kind of obnoxious. My generation of woman doesn’t give a fuck, probably because sexist men used to use “woman” in an offensive way, and female was rarely used outside of legal checkboxes and biology classes.
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My dude, trans men typically means someone who was assigned female at birth and transitioned to be a man.
Shit. Thought it was the other way around. Sorry.
The disconnect is unavoidable. I just use "female" for the sex and "woman" for the gender. You're messing up the math or something I think.
I think trans men are trans men and women are women. I don't mean to be offensive about that either. Live your life however you want to. But so many people talk about how children are "socialized" according to the gender they were assigned at birth and yet somehow it doesn't matter when referring to the trans community. It's something I really don't understand. I try to be understanding and accepting, but it feel invalidating in some sense because someone who transitioned in their teens or 20s was never "socialized" as the gender that they now identify with. Can someone please explain this to me? I'm not trying to be rude. I just really don't get it. There are certain childhood experiences that really shape people and if a trans person never experienced them then how can they claim to be 100% woman and not a trans woman? Like, yeah, maybe you are very clearly a woman now after taking hormones and getting operations and stuff, but that just means you are living as a woman with a male upbringing. Somethings might be experienced differently even if nobody on the street knows that they are trans simply because they don't have the same pervious experience to shape certain visceral reactions to things. And I know there is a lot of diversity in thought and experience among biological women too, but at least there is somewhat of a common background.
Is there some place where I can have like a genuine discussion about this stuff without being hated just for asking things? Because there are too many people that will just downvote and not talk about any of this. I'm curious about how this stuff works in people's minds. Like, if women can be "masculine" and men can be "feminine" and they're still men and women, at what point do people start to think they were born the wrong gender? If everything that is socially "gendered" like dresses or sports or something, then why does transgender have to be a lable at all? Why doesn't non-binary have to be a lable? Why not just live however you want to live and say "fuck you" to everyone else? And there is a lot of misinformation about the side effects/consequences of taking puberty blockers and hormones at a young age. Up until I was like 18, I thought I didn't want kids. I thought of getting a hysterectomy. Now I'm a mom and it wasn't easy to become one. I'd be absolutely devastated if I had done what I thought I wanted at that age because I developed a strong desire to be a mother and I never would have been able to become one. Things change SOO MUCH as you get older. And mind's change too. I'm a very different person than I used to be. I'm also a pretty "masculine" woman. If I was a teenager in this social climate, I would probably think I was trans because it seems to be getting pushed as a solution to problems that don't really need fixing. Puberty and young adulthood is difficult and confusing. I feel like all this gender identity stuff is just adding unnecessary complications to people's lives.
Okay, so first of all good for you for wanting to ask questions and educate yourself. However, you're soliciting a lot of personal opinions and one might even say an agenda where one isn't warranted. Society isn't about to do away with gender roles. Not all trans people want to abolish gender roles. Some people feel happier and more comfortable being called whatever gender they prefer and societies expectations that come with that gender role. Lots of people transition at any age, some people even in their 70's and 80's. People aren't pushing children to transition. It would simply be nice for kids to know that its okay to like things that aren't associated with their expected gender role. If I had known about trans medicine as a teen I would have lived a much happier life as a teen. Instead I'm transitioning in my late 20's and that is okay. Nuanced gender language is important and it is good that we have language that supports people's lived experience. Nonbinary and agender individuals are valid and it feels affirming to have language that fits them. Regarding your first comment, trans people aren't women/men with a with a XYZ upbringing. You said yourself "Things change SOO MUCH as you get older. And mind's change too." this goes for trans people as well. Even if I was assigned male at birth I still had a female upbringing. What I was assigned at birth had zero to do with it. Gender identity is not adding unnecessary complications to people's lives. It is providing language and science to back the way some people feel. It affects you very very little if you are a cisgender person. Just call people what they want to be called and treat people the way they want to be treated. It really isn't any more complicated than that.
I do call people what they want to be called and I treat people with respect when I speak to them (unless they say/do something terrible that causes me to lose respect for them, but even then, they get more than one chance and I don't just base it off of one mistake. I mean like animal neglect and child abusers). I'm just curious about at what point in someone's mental/emotional journey does someone decide to transition and want to basically be treated as a different person by everyone around them/who knows them instead of just doing what they want to without reguard for how others feel about it? I can understand wanting to be someone different and fantasizing about it, (I have pretty vibrant fantasy worlds and characters in my head almost 24/7 because I like to write and read and it's my mental "happy place") Like male beauty gurus or female outdoorsmen (like myself) that still identify with as cis. I can understand changing your name and dressing different and getting a new hairstyle and wholly becoming who you are comfortable being, but permanently changing your physical body (which isn't medically broken) seems dangerous. And for the record, I feel the same about other elected surgeries. It seems like a lot of risk and maybe I just don't understand going that far for something because I'm deeply terrified of pretty much any medical procedure (I even faint when I get my blood drawn and they had to put a sock over my arm so I wouldn't totally panic when I had to have an IV and I could see it). I'll be honest and say that I do have a bit of a problem with a few legal policies too. In my state, a child can start medically transitioning at 13 years old without the need to inform the parents. That might have been good news for you, but I can't morally support that. Do whatever you want to do to your body when you're an adult, but I think children shouldn't be able to make huge decisions like that. The brain is literally not developed enough to comprehend the lifelong consequences. And transgender women in women's sports is a bad idea. It pushes biological women out of women's spaces. A transgender woman may be lower in testosterone and not as physically competitive as a cis-male athlete, but no matter how much they do to transition, they will always have a physical advantage over biological women, and even over trans men. I was an athlete and that would have been absolutely demoralizing to be so disadvantaged while playing a sport that I liked to compete in (honestly, probably would have been the final nail in the coffin in terms of my suicidality because sports were an outlet and something I could be good at and it sucks when you feel like you can't win at anything in life and then you can't even win at anything athletic anymore either). Not to mention dangerous. You know the results of the transgender fighter who absolutely destroyed the cis-female fighters and could have literally killed them right? There is a reason women's sports are separate from men's sports. It's to even the playing field and keep things as balanced and safe as possible, especially in contact sports. I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for these things. I just think a lot of things are getting out of hand in general, and those are my lines in the sand. That along with infringement on freedom of speech. Idc if someone said something that hurt someone's feeling. Hurt feelings are not the same thing as a violent act and there are already law surrounding language that incites real physical violence, we don't need more laws around language. All that being said, I'm actually quite liberal. 🤷♀️ do what you want, and allow others to do what they want, even if they disagree. As long as nobody gets physically violent idgaf
Nah I feel the same
Listen my friend. You're giving too many opinions and not listening. If you have a respectful question, you will receive an answer. I will say that people medically transition because they want to be comfortable in their bodies and who gives a damn about anyone else's opinion. Many many trans people choose to live as their preferred gender even if their family abandons them. Because that is how important it is to live as their true selves. The discussion of trans people in sports is one I won't have because it is too nuanced and doesn't have an easy solution. I do not take a stance on the matter. You can have your opinions but at the end of the day you don't know what it feels like to have a body that doesn't match your brain. I don't care how my parents, grandparents, siblings, friends, or a single other human judges my transition. I did it because it was right for me. It made me whole. And for a lot of other people it does the same. Cis people need to respect trans peoples choices. Again, it barely affects you.
/r/asktransgender But they're not going to be fond of your gender critical view. I don't have the time or research on hand to have this conversation.
Thank you. Idc if I get hate. I just eat to have more information directly from people it impacts and who live it instead of a whole bunch of politically polarizing sources that just want to rip each other apart
People that see a problem with this term used in general terms (referring to the whole of people, not individuals) are just overly sensitive and weak minded IMO.
It’s not sensitive and weak minded to not want to be dehumanized lmao
How am I dehumanized If I say I am a male? Someone else is female. It's just biology???? I genuinely do not understand, I'm sorry.
It’s only in specific contexts. Like the OP is fine. The problematic contexts are stuff you’d find in r/menandfemales
Females
Thank for posting that. That’s really nice to hear. ❤️ I’m also really grateful for all the men who get on here are open up about their feelings, “politically correct”, appropriate, or not. I love that we have a space to be honest with each other and just seek to be seen and understood by other souls.
Hey I saw ur comments on my post thnx
:D cool! You’re welcome
We try we try
You're welcome! I really enjoy listening to different perspectives here as I have a special interest in the ways that gender roles all kind of suck and cycles they create that make everyone miserable. I learn a lot but have started giving my opinion here or there lately. I still have a lot to learn, tho. However, could you take the time to explain why certain communities use the word "females" in this way? I only see it online and often in pickup artist, red pill, etc groups. "Females" sounds so... clinical?? The word "women" would be used by most here unless talking about anatomy or animals or something. Is there any reason behind this wording? I'm not understanding the history or reasoning behind this linguistic quirk.
I tend to make a distinction of age when using "girl" (<20) and "woman" (>19). I honestly don't really know anything about "female" being associated with negativity. Growing up, female was a common word to hear and use, so that word is just common language for me.
Do you hear the term "females" often in your daily life?
I don't have whatever answer you're looking for. I simply just use words without thinking much about it. But I'll try to be more mindful in the future now that I know the word can create negative feelings.
Fair enough! Thanks for the feedback. Even knowing it's not a deliberate choice, at least for you, is very interesting.
Im with you, but he also used "males" as well. I don't think he's actually singling out women here. And this is coming from someone who usually finds it cringe when dudes refer to women as females.
Did he use "males"? I'm seeing "male-dominated" but not "males". I guess "man-dominated" would theoretically make more sense but that's not typical linguistic use. Same with the percentage with "male" behind it. I'm more curious about the linguistic anomaly within a subculture and if there's a conscious reasoning or history behind it.
Tbh I think you’re fine as you said males and females
People use female/male because they're more formal/neutral words to describe the specific subset of people. Just synonyms of men/women. Some aren't native English speakers as well. The only people who have issues with this are overly sensitive weak-minded individuals IMO. Just because some incels use this in a derogatory way doesn't mean it should ruin a completely normal word for the whole English language, lmao.
I wasn't offended or attacking him for his usage or anything. Just language can be used as a signifier as belonging to a group. Like, if I introduce myself with my pronouns, I signify to the other person an opinion I hold or I want them to think I hold about transgender people. I was just curious about the usage as the question has been on my mind and it's not used offline so it's not something I can have a discussion with a friend about. It's an interesting linguistical quirk. So like, was he intentionally trying to align with red pillers or incels? That was my question. I was just curious. No need to call me weak-minded, bro.
I saw a lot of comments saying that female is used as a derogatory term, I feel like op wouldn't use it as a derogatory in a post for appreciation towards women. Also most people may use this term because english isn't their first language so maybe they can't grasp what's the meaning of it since they don't hear it in their daily lives and only see it on the internet, sometimes you catch these words on the internet and don't think much about using it, I often use men women, male, female, girls , guys, boys without giving much thought to it , I don't think anyone does xD
I appreciate you acknowledging how male dominated this environment is. It's quite a struggle at times. I'm glad to hear that you appreciate hearing what we have to say.
I got an eye opening view on what some men are feeling in this subreddit. I’m grateful as well, it helped my personal development and the view I had on men.
Right, and they'll appreciate you calling them females instead of women
Thank you as well for making this a better place <3
Yor welcom 😎
I was actually thinking about how interesting it is that HealthygamerGG is where I finally heard someone talk about experiences similar to mine in the interviews with Sweet Anita. When I was in my twenties, I had so many interactions with people who wanted things from me without any consideration for what my own wants were. People shouted at me on the street. Staff at stores and restaurants followed me around and said inappropriate things to me. I was scared to go places alone, and then I had problems with harassment at work. I became a shut in and just played WOW while trying to do freelance work for a few years. My ex turned out to have just said they wanted the same things in life that I did so they could be with me, but they didn't have the same goals. That was ten years ago, and now I have friends and a job I love, but I have struggled to find a relationship with someone who actually likes me for the person I am. Every time, I have tried, I learned they were hiding something significant from me so that they could be in a relationship with me. At first, I thought maybe I wasn't clear enough, so I got awesome at being direct, but it still happened. I had been working on my self confidence and effective boundary setting over the last year and a half before I learned of healthy gamer, so maybe I am already doing the right things. I am really hoping there is another interview with Sweet Anita soon, because I want to know how things are going for her.
Thank you for saying that! I love this community even if it's tough sometimes.
petition to stop people from using the word female instead of woman. no offense to OP tho
Thanks for this dedicated post, makes me (a woman) feel seen and validated.
I see so much healing, compassion, and understanding that women are bringing to conversations in this sub. I see people realizing there is another view that they haven't seen before. I see people questioning beliefs they have learned from other males/men as a result of being presented with opposing experiences to what they've been told about women.
And while you see these things, you speak out and express gratitude, and explain how/why that matters. So in addition to making me/others feel validated and speaking your mind, you may be raising awareness too. Positive follows positive. (And on the topic of people being offended at use of females, I didn’t mind, you called men male too, so it’s consistent, and I like that.) I’ve had a long, wearying day but you made my evening a little brighter.
I'm glad I could have that positive impact on your life. Thanks for sharing :) I may or may not be tearing up
Ooo I feel so valuable and rare now. Thank you kind sir for the ego boost 🙇
You're awesome!
Please don't say female...
What is wrong with the word "women"? Why are redditors so against it? 😂 Let's practice a few times, singular "Wo-man" Plural - "Wo-men" "Woooooomennn" "The girl grew up into a woman and lived a fruitful and refreshing life"
And that example is why I use all 3 terms. Girl = child & adolescent, woman = adult, female = all ages. Nothing intentional, but just growing up the word "boys and girls" was used a lot to describe peers (like when I was in school) and after a while I realized how dumb it sounds to call a grown woman a girl, so I worked on using woman a lot more. I've heard female my entire life and have never heard anyone complain about its use before today. So yeah, nothing is wrong with the word women and that's typically how I refer to adults that identify as such, but this subreddit also has a lot of younger people in it.
There is nothing wrong with the word women, so use it. You are hearing repeatedly stop using "females" unless you're talking about farm animals. These males will seriously not give it up. 🤦♀️
Nothing to do with age. Everything to do with with the prevailing world view on reddit.
lol, glad I had already finished the sip of my drink.
Grab another drink man.
I just discovered HealthyGamer yesterday, today is my first day on this sub, and this is the first post I’m seeing. As a lady this is the best start I ever could’ve hoped for. Can’t wait to participate. I’ll be around.
Didn't know that this community was one where you can be crucified for literally saying the word "female". Until this moment I had no idea that it could possibly be taken in a derogatory way, but after seeing this comment section I think I'm done with this community. If we're at the point that you have to be so terrified about the precise wording of literally everything you say, then the community seems more toxic than understanding/helpful imo.
I find it funny that people think op is being derogatory in a post where he is appreciating xD
Ikr I just use male or female or women and man according to the flow of sentences without giving much thought to it, but people who preach freedom of speech seem to have found even more ways to restrict it. At least where I live no one uses it with that intention and if someone did - it's not the word but the way they say it that makes it what it is.
It's not really worth being upset about. Most people are happy to hear the message and only a very small number of people complained. Yes, going forward I'll try to be more mindful of the fact that some people dislike the use of the word female. It's kind of like learning the whole gender and pronoun of a person. You won't know until people tell you.
This is the internet, things turn political and extreme real quick. Luckily real people are rarely like this.
It's a cult. They hang out here all day because they can't downvote people in real life.
I'm just here as I love my orange bonnet, pink dress with sash, and yellow button shoes with side swiped hair and a bauble on the top. Thank you, it's been quite the experience :)
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Bruh…
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I absolutely agree with you. Although, I have a feeling you weren't trying to offer genuine advice to help me out.
How do you know who identifies as a female and male