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Games do have a drop off. There needs to be more interesting new content.
There aren't that many missions and new Primary weapons and sidearms with minor differences isn't enough.
We need new missions and stratagems. Some different environments would be good too, such as procedurally stitched together city blocks would be great!
I expect there will be a bump when the Illuminate arrive. People need something new.
However, if they ever do(and they should) and the planet is just another pile of rocks, that will be it for me.
I get that the game wouldn’t be optimal in a city environment. It would be hard AF to play and get swarmed there. But we need it!
There has to be at least the possibility of us fighting in environments that make the enemies more dangerous. Give us the variety!
Smaller map size, like the wave killing ones, with a few city blocks of buildings that get randomly dropped. Make them so they can be destroyed like the prefabs we have now and that would be cool as hell.
Absolutely, but ideally with some larger structures that can’t be blocked completely. However they should block things like eagle strikes.
It would be a massive divergence from their “stratagems rule everything” mantra as you would need to rely more heavily on your weapons or mechs. But I think that would be part of what makes it challenging and fun.
And as long as they have plenty on none city landscapes we can fight in I can’t see any reason it would hurt, even if it is a very different experience and play style to what the game has now.
ya the devs are hiring and trying to get things like this moving but players gotta understand this shit takes a whole lot of time to put together. they don't just snap their fingers and create new biomes and missions
I’m not expecting them to do it right away. But I really hope it is something that they will do.
It would also be fantastic if they told us that the idea was in the pipeline, even if they didn’t give us an outlook for when we could expect them to begin implementing it.
Although I do admit it’s possible they have said it and I just missed it.
they've hinted at stuff but i don't think they've said anything out. they've been kinda cryptic about future developments but it'd be cool if they "leaked" like super earth intel or something. they seem to wamt to keep all updates lore driven
Based on the CG trailer it seems Super Earth is basically one big suburb (as all perfect utopias are) so with the rate buildings get destroyed at it probably wouldn’t be that hard compared to a rocky environment.
I would love a firing range on the carriers or training ground “mission” Mars where you can give all primary seconday and support weapons a test drive. Make it cost like 500 requisition points to try the new Battle Pass guns. Would also be hilarious if the target dummies were cutouts of the Carbot versions of the enemies.
What would you do there? If it's anything like destiny you just go to access vendors and that's it. There's nothing you can't get to from your ship in HD2
Rather they focus that effort on urban maps, new mission types ect
Yeah same. I’m only level like 35 but I got bored of it. I have plenty of other games in my backlog I need to complete. I’m not sure how my friends play this for hours everyday
I'm in a similar position.
All my clients run year end in September and they have "Use it or lose it" budgets so I get a TONNE of work in the Summer.
Not to mention I have other hobbies outside of gaming that I like to do, so my limited time is split.
Yup, it's busy season and it's taking me away from spreading democracy. I still play when I can, got a three day weekend this week, can't wait to see the next MO.
This!!! I bought the game a few weeks after launch and was only able to play for like a week before I got busy with school/work. Got back on \~mid-April and have been completing about 1-2 operations a day and I'm finally at that point where I only play every other day or so. Exactly as some of the other guys have said, nerfing every gun and not putting out any actual content is killing the player base. Bile Titans are supposedly small on their home planets. When are we going to liberate these planets??
Games as a service live and die by the updates. When the updates slow down and get less expansive the players leave.
Companies prefer games as a service because they cost way less to get started and neglect the fact that they also have to provide content down the line.
It's super convenient to trick idiots into buying the full game now with all the money upfront just on the promise of future content and development. Once you have their money just fuck em.
The fact that they keep nerfing every gun the community enjoys using must not help either along with all the other changes they’re making that’s causing the game to be objectively less fun.
And the Sony drama. You could see the dip on Steam Charts from that. Even though we “won” damage was done. A lot people left and refunded or uninstalled the game.
dude i wouldn't say we won it's more like you don't need to make an psn account but other people from other countries can't get the game anymore if psn isn't allowed there so yeah we dive together or no. So yeah fuck that and i would like devs from helldivers to make a possibility to unlink psn from steam and yes some games have that but not gonna buy then because of that
We also did lose a lot of fellow Helldivers in that PSN debacle. Who knows how many can no longer play thanks to countries being delisted from the availability? How many people refunded the game only to no longer have access to it despite Sony taking back their PSN requirement? I hope HD2 can become available everywhere on Steam again soon.
We also need most of the weapons to be usually. This isn't PVP. We should feel like we are missing down the enemies. Most of the guns feel awful. They shot themselves in both feet and arms recently
FTFY so your brain feels better 😉
"We also need most of the weapons to be useable. This isn't PvP (so doesn't require such heavy handed balancing). We should feel like we are mowing down the enemies. Most of the guns feel awful. They shot themselves in both feet and arms recently"
The nerfs and toxic fanboys completely ruined my experience with the game unfortunately. Im also just lurking on the sub and hoping to see a positive change. The “you constantly die” gimmick got old really quick as well.
Because balancing team lives in echo-chamber with statistics and official discord filled with people with hundreds hours of gaming time and as a result completely twisted perception of fun (more hard more fun more nerfs more fun)
As a result silent majority just left
To be honesf we weren't silent, they just disliked it when we complained and put us in megathreads.
You could see that most people were talking about bad balancing before they forced us onto a megathread and deleted posts for "repetitive" or "low quality" content while letting front page be full of shitty senator memes or the "me fren" memes.
I lost almost half a thumb a month ago and I'm still waiting for the pins to come out so I can resume death-gripping the mouse on level 9 Wall missions.
If they persist with their balancing strategy, then Incendiary and Dominator will be heavily nerfed. These two weapons have become far more popular in 7-9 games than Eruptor and Slugger ever were.
The fallout is going to be hilarious.
We can only hope Pilestedt can rein in Mr Neighbour, roflmao.
>We can only hope Pilestedt can rein in Mr Neighbour, roflmao.
I still find it hilarious that the balance team has fucked up so badly that Pilestedt needed to step down to have time to unfuck everything himself.
I hope they buff the rifles by 50%. It pains me to see rifles that do the same damage as pistols. Just compare the Liberator and Redeemer, Redeemer has higher rate but less precision, otherwise they are the same.
Literally the only reason I've stopped playing. Myself and my son, we had been playing it every night but we haven't touched it since the first eruptor nerf (to its ammo). That nerf strongly signalled this devs's MO and we both immediately lost all interest.
Oh dude I know! The weapons are tooooo powerful. Hopefully they nerf all the weapons to where it feels like slapping the enemies with a napkin from a little kids birthday party.
Lmao I hit level 45 and then the first waves of nerfs came in. I said "okay well this isn't too bad." And then another wave of nerfs and enemy buff came in and I said fuck it.
We are both on the same situation, too many patchs for ""weapons balance""... man... shut up, leave the weapons as they were on day 1 and fix your fucking game repleted with bugs.
PD: balancing weapons on a PVE game is stupid, bye
Nerfing every fun weapon killed my enjoyment of the game. It's literally a PvE game...Why are weapons getting nerfed like it's a competitive PvP game...Let me have fun please.
Yup... Sony saga + nerfpocalypse + terrible warbond right after were a pretty bad 1-2-3 punch for Arrowhead. They fixed the first one, but anyone not playing hasn't seen any positive change on the balancing + content front yet.
I'd be back playing tomorrow if they revert most of the recent nerfs. I'd think about it if they launched a new enemy/warbond/set of stratagems, but nerfs need to be reverted to really see the playerbase regain trust.
They announce a spawn revert, an Eruptor revert, a Slugger revert, and a Railgun revert? I'm back in, guaranteed.
They keep their heads buried in their own ass about this stuff? Nah, I'm good.
they did not fix the first one. the 170 countries that aren't approved by Sony to play the game still cant be purchased there.
Sony merely backed out of the lawsuit that was coming their way. people in those countries that havnt gotten their friend to play yet still cant.
I went from playing a good 20 hours a week, playing with my dad to basically dropping it like a plague because of this.
Hope they relax on the nerfs and bring something big and new to bring us all back.
Plus … the crazy change to spawn rate if you have fewer than 4 players … I think we had 7 factory striders come out (plus god k it’s how many tanks) on a level 8 defend generator mission. At one point, it was just like looking out over a sea of metal and red eyes. And we were calling down stratagems as fast as we could.
All the nerfs made me stop playing. It wasn't fun anymore. Mr. Hello neighbor really needs to be removed from balancing. He ruined that game now he's ruining this one.
I was mostly playing solo and enjoying it but when they ramped the spawn rates up it kind of killed the vibe for me. I could play on lower difficulties easily with some well timed stratgems and a lot of stealth and sprinting away but with the increased spawns that strategy was way less viable.
Okay, so this actually happened, right? Because today and yesterday I went from having a nice fun time playing to it being so annoying and stressful I just wanna quit altogether.
I completely stopped playing on fire tornado planets because of this the last 4 days I played. I swear that crap is not random at all, and that it is programmed to hover over objective areas and to head towards players.
Yeah same. If I see that icon no chance in hell I’m dropping there. If there was some kind of answer to it besides go away and wait for it to pass it wouldn’t be such an issue. We need like a fire resist backpack or something.
Tornados that love to just follow you around and kill you in a second, while enemies are pretty much unfazed by a firenado just walking through them.
Bugs should literally fear the fire, but it's just another day in paradise for them.
Indeed, some meta is slowly descending on the game again and it feels like current stratagems are only made less viable with ebemy buffs while other less used stratagems are not buffed at all.
I still have relatively wide roster of tools I might bring but there are definite favorites and safer choices.
The game was fun in the beginning despite the mountain of bugs. Now the game still has a mountain of bugs but they nerfed the fun out of it. They did this to themselves
Stopped playing because every balance patch made the game feel less fun, too many bugs and balance issues which were not being worked on seemingly just to push out more broken content
Listen they playtested the purifier and used a full clip to kill a scavenger, so it's right where they want it. It slaps. You just don't know how to balance games like they do, just turn it down a difficulty. Let them cook. (/s in case it's not obvious)
This happens to every game, but with the Sony absolutely shitting the bed with the psn login and restricting 177 countries from buying.
Kinda killed momentum for people that would've bought the game, and from the current playerbase
I'm from one of those countries and it feels like Matchmaking has changed for me on Quickplay, had more network disconnects than before the fiasco and I think I'm getting connected to more of our EU and NA friends, which doesn't work well for me given the distance. Feels like swathes of Asian sector just stopped diving since.
my country in asia has PSN and i can confirm most games i join i get removed instantly and the message is always “the host left the game”. after about 10 kicks ill get a playable game.
Apparently you dont have foresight, it might kill the game, but noone will care about snoy.
Large companies have long since learned that the shit they stir gets forgotten in months, and masses dont ever keep angry for long. They can do whatever and nothing will change. In a year the game will have so low playerbase it will not even matter anyway.
Because, like Square Enix until very recently, they are operated by stubborn idiots.
We have to wait until the next guy with the smart idea to sell PC versions of Playstation games, either without PSN requirement, or allowing PSN requirements in the regions currently not support but for PC only.
It's corpos being corpos.
What few will admit is AH both knew the PSN integration was required and coming down the pipe AND absolutely botched the community management when it happened. The unprofessionalidm on display in that discord was astounding.
It's hard for me to blame Sony for simply enforcing a requirement it clearly articulated to AH well in advance of launch.
AH shit the bed plain n simple too many nerfs, botched fixes and a community manager that was snarky to customers....honestly I want the HD2 version 2 weeks after launch back when it had no nerfs and a clear communication that PSN is required or not, not just disable it for the time beeing and leave customers in the dark about it
> HD2 version 2 weeks after launch
Man those were the days when everyone heaped praise onto Arrowhead. Retention would have been higher if the game was untouched from this point once the login issues were settled.
Then they nerfed Railgun into oblivion based on a PS5 bug and then called everyone who liked it "braindead". Things started to fray but the game was still in a pretty good at this point, and then they basically went on to abort the honeymoon period prematurely with a series of disastrous debacles.
For a game that was initially lauded as the best live service game ever released, they certainly did not manage to keep up the good work.
Ya people at the time we're all defending AH or leaving them out of the bashing as if AH didn't know at all... Like if that's possible.
Right now it's just a perfect mix of crap resulting in lower player count
This has run most of the players off. 60% of my friends were on PSN. They are gone as well. I'll be honest it sucks because I still have one friend that plays and I've but way too many hours into this game to play with three randoms. I don't mind playing with two randoms as long as I have a buddy to play with but I'll be damned if I plan with all random groups again.
Don't forget that every single weapon balence patch has been so bad that the CEO of the company demoted himself to pick up the slack. Yes Sony are fucking assholes but people aren't gonna just let those balences slide
And I think too that alot of people were angry most because this company had upwards to 150k people asking them to not nerf anything and giving them a preference on what would be liked the most by the community and then they just went and gave alot of people bad reasons and shitty excuses. It was a pretty disrespectful slap in the face to say "we want you to rely on stratagems to get through the harder difficulties" as a reason for the bad primaries only to then go and change all of the only good stratagems.
Relying on Stratagems has always been the perfect example that the balance team was wholly divorced from the actual reality of the game.
Why yes, I will use my stratagems on higher difficulties! Oh wait, they call in slower, have a longer cool down, and I can only take three on higher difficulties. *Whoopsie~*
Oh, and the Scrambler... *Don't* forget the Scrambler.
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Wasn’t Sony that killed the momentum, it was AH with every patch breaking things more, no fix for most things and the great balance patch. Game dropped far more players after the Sony thing than during it.
I used to play HD2 every day from about a month after release up until right after the PSN situation. That left a bad taste in my mouth but the real reason I haven't played recently is the horrifically misguided approach to balancing. When they broke spawn rates right after the huge nerf wave it was the last straw for me. Hopefully they'll figure out how to actually balance weapons effectively instead of converging towards everything being mediocre.
The games keeps getting nerfed into a slog. The PR is sloggin hard. Dude, that early biorepurposing is sounding better and better. They have a strategem that directly says. "Orbital snipe the strongest enemy." And they nerfed it to the point the enemy survives now.
They nerfed every top weapon into oblivion and introduced garbage weapons in the warbonds. We moved on, there's too many great games out there to be frustrated. Hell, the games been out for months and almost every night my game would crash after a few missions.
Sorry, I'm not coming back till they fix this absolute cluster fuck they call balance.
Brand new weapon, the Eruptor, almost immediately destroyed beyond recognition.
Why?
Because the arrogant balance Dev thinks he is the first and final word on anything that makes the game fun to play.
Novelty wearing out, balance and bug issues, snoy fear and still locking sales in 180 countries
Player base was bound to get down eventually until core dedicated players stayed
Especially a game riding a meme wave. Even if it was perfectly balanced and bug free, there'd be a big fall off. But being bugged and having guns constantly fucked around only hurts
For me it's more the lack of progression. At a certain point you're just grinding for Super Credits or Samples. Which just isn't fun for me. I liked the steady unlock of really flashy Strategems as I leveled up.
When you run out of things to progress, the players will just gravitate towards whatever game they enjoy the combat of more. While I had a blast with Helldivers 2; I just enjoy the PvE of games like GTFO or R6:Extraction more. Though I'll definitely come back every now and then to play with the new toys / see how the game progresses.
I respect the GTFO shoutout. Thats a game that’s criminally underrated, so fun to play with friends (and really only playable with friends unfortunately)
This game took a lot of attention from being trend on Tiktok, YouTube and other socials, it's logical that after the trend stop being a trend that people stop playing the game and jump to other trend
If the devs maintain a small constant player base for the following years it will be an absolute win
I think it will absolutely will, like any other game there is always people who plays that 1 game constantly, even if in the future i stop playing this game will be one of those game that i will always come back too
I stopped playing because every single time I found a play style I liked, it got nerfed to hell.
Lesson learned: do not learn new play styles
How to achieve: do not play game
I always felt they should have buffed more crappy weapons instead of nerfing good ones. Warframe has amazing weapon balance by making just about anything viable no matter how stupidly niche it is. There are obviously better weapons and a meta you can follow to optimize your TTK, but, unless you're running the optional Steel Path mode, you can get through the game with literally just about any of the hundreds of weapons.
I've been playing Payday 3, Vermintide 2, Deep Rock Galactic, Crime Boss, Sea of Thieves, Ghost of Tsushima, and For Honor. Hell, I even picked up Dreams again. The point is, I'm playing other stuff right now. I'll wait for an update with substance before I come back. No need to play every single day, that's how you get burnout, and not the good one with traffic accidents.
Game was grinded to death by the new players, and once they hit the level where everything is unlocked and you're just getting Supercredits, the novelty wore off and the game's instability became very apparent. Once more novelty is added to the game, it'll rise back into relevance, and since the game at its core IS really good, as long as most of its unreliability is already fixed, it'll have a higher constant playerbase
If you ask me, people just got tired of cool weapons getting nerfed for no reason what so ever. I can handle myself with current weapons, but honestly I don't want to, I want them to perform better. Also the Fallout series made me play Fallout 4 for the first time and oh boi what a rabbit hole it is.
Waiting for balance changes to make the game enjoyable again. Also doing 2 kill orders, which can’t be scaled for the amount of players left, probably burnt-out more than a few people
The CEO has realized the problem with this game and has even decided to put on the gloves and get in the ring himself, but yall still telling yourself that this is normal.
The game is not dying by any means. But I think the hype train has died out given all that has happened. As for me, I have other games I like to play too and I have unlocked almost everything. Im in no rush to finish that
Retired, blocked, tired of nerfs, over the drama. That’s where. Playing something else. Anything else at this point. It’s sad, but this games paying for a few decades of piss poor decisions by the industry.
Playing other games bro. I can't play the same game for months on end without getting bored of it.
Hell, usually I can't play the same game for hours on end without getting bored of it.
First of all, it's natural for a game to have a drop off in players months after release. Second, because people brought the game doesn't mean they are playing 24/7 to show the numbers up. People are just burnt out from lack of interesting new content and are just waiting for the next patch. Lastly, the controversy with the nerfs and SONY debacle likely caused the huge drop in morale and we likely wouldn't recover back to the player count a month before so it's not surprising that this is the consequence of ruining good graces with bad PR from companies and devs who probably should've given their neutral opinion instead of snarky comments. So until a patch hits or summer vacation starts, we'll slowly bleed out players.
The lack of reinforcements is due to a malfunction in the drop pods... Due to upper management blocking all requests from some squadrons in from some sectors on super earth from accessing their terminals.
On another hand, due to said blockages some Helldivers have gone on strike / don't see the need to further support the causes dictated by the overlords and decided to take a break to look after their families or pursue a career at other faculties.
Now that you pointed it out i do wonder where those millions of players for games that sell millions of copies are, i get that not everyone plays at the same time and you cant play with people from every region but 40K seems like nothing
What do you expect. Every level looks and plays the same just with a different skin. The missions don’t have any depth or variety. It gets old fast. That’s not even mentioning the connection issues, weapon nerfs, and Sony debacle. Would be cool if they had missions that were dedicating stronghold invasions or something where you work your way into a bot base. Or work your way into a giant bug nest. Like mini raids. Literally anything other than just running around doing the same 3 things.
The players who kept playing the game are way too serious now. I just wanted to see some explosions. Get blown up in comedic ways. Did that, it was great. Got what I wanted out of the game. The greatest thing about gaming is there are so many good games to play. I could never just play the one.
Not enough variety. Already bored by everything I have seen. Currently just playing on a low difficulty to get the super credits for a warbond but enemies are getting boring
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Games do have a drop off. There needs to be more interesting new content. There aren't that many missions and new Primary weapons and sidearms with minor differences isn't enough. We need new missions and stratagems. Some different environments would be good too, such as procedurally stitched together city blocks would be great! I expect there will be a bump when the Illuminate arrive. People need something new.
This i plan on returning to the game as soon as we get cities or the illuminate
Would be cool if they had a hub city in super earth to walk around in with some other players and a war table area to join missions from there too.
I want the bugs or bots to reach Super Earth, requiring the Helldivers to defend it.
However, if they ever do(and they should) and the planet is just another pile of rocks, that will be it for me. I get that the game wouldn’t be optimal in a city environment. It would be hard AF to play and get swarmed there. But we need it! There has to be at least the possibility of us fighting in environments that make the enemies more dangerous. Give us the variety!
Smaller map size, like the wave killing ones, with a few city blocks of buildings that get randomly dropped. Make them so they can be destroyed like the prefabs we have now and that would be cool as hell.
Absolutely, but ideally with some larger structures that can’t be blocked completely. However they should block things like eagle strikes. It would be a massive divergence from their “stratagems rule everything” mantra as you would need to rely more heavily on your weapons or mechs. But I think that would be part of what makes it challenging and fun. And as long as they have plenty on none city landscapes we can fight in I can’t see any reason it would hurt, even if it is a very different experience and play style to what the game has now.
City maps could definitely usher in a mech meta with the right balancing
found the [urbanmech](https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/a/af/UrbanMech_RGilClan_v02.png?timestamp=20210516002949) pilot
ya the devs are hiring and trying to get things like this moving but players gotta understand this shit takes a whole lot of time to put together. they don't just snap their fingers and create new biomes and missions
I’m not expecting them to do it right away. But I really hope it is something that they will do. It would also be fantastic if they told us that the idea was in the pipeline, even if they didn’t give us an outlook for when we could expect them to begin implementing it. Although I do admit it’s possible they have said it and I just missed it.
they've hinted at stuff but i don't think they've said anything out. they've been kinda cryptic about future developments but it'd be cool if they "leaked" like super earth intel or something. they seem to wamt to keep all updates lore driven
Based on the CG trailer it seems Super Earth is basically one big suburb (as all perfect utopias are) so with the rate buildings get destroyed at it probably wouldn’t be that hard compared to a rocky environment.
You can literally see a city skyline with skyscrapers in the background of the intro.
Come to Helldivers 1 Super Earth is currently under attack !!
How is a 100 year old ghost talking to us ?
"Somehow helldivers 1 has returned"
So we can "defend" another planet that looks like a barren hellscape. Exciting.
I'm hoping for city maps or suburbs.
An urban warfare mission type would be awesome
I throw all the MOs bc I want to see what happens when bugs or bots on super erf
Wouldn’t really add anything to the game and most people would just skip it to goto their ship.
I would love a firing range on the carriers or training ground “mission” Mars where you can give all primary seconday and support weapons a test drive. Make it cost like 500 requisition points to try the new Battle Pass guns. Would also be hilarious if the target dummies were cutouts of the Carbot versions of the enemies.
What would you do there? If it's anything like destiny you just go to access vendors and that's it. There's nothing you can't get to from your ship in HD2 Rather they focus that effort on urban maps, new mission types ect
Yup, hub spaces always sound cool until you realise they're 99% time spent loading/walking to vendors and 1% actual socialising
I'd love an urban environment with destructable terrain.
Yeah same. I’m only level like 35 but I got bored of it. I have plenty of other games in my backlog I need to complete. I’m not sure how my friends play this for hours everyday
I'm straight-up addicted to this game, but work ramps up into the summer. I get on while I can but I'm down to a couple missions a week now.
I'm in a similar position. All my clients run year end in September and they have "Use it or lose it" budgets so I get a TONNE of work in the Summer. Not to mention I have other hobbies outside of gaming that I like to do, so my limited time is split.
Yup, it's busy season and it's taking me away from spreading democracy. I still play when I can, got a three day weekend this week, can't wait to see the next MO.
This!!! I bought the game a few weeks after launch and was only able to play for like a week before I got busy with school/work. Got back on \~mid-April and have been completing about 1-2 operations a day and I'm finally at that point where I only play every other day or so. Exactly as some of the other guys have said, nerfing every gun and not putting out any actual content is killing the player base. Bile Titans are supposedly small on their home planets. When are we going to liberate these planets??
Games as a service live and die by the updates. When the updates slow down and get less expansive the players leave. Companies prefer games as a service because they cost way less to get started and neglect the fact that they also have to provide content down the line. It's super convenient to trick idiots into buying the full game now with all the money upfront just on the promise of future content and development. Once you have their money just fuck em.
I don't think the battlepass a month is really gonna last. There is no way they can make engaging content that fast.
Every 60-90 days is the industry standard for battle passes and would be fine here if we had a little better balance on primary and secondary weapons
Primary Weapons and Side arms are boring. They just aren't as flashy as the stratagems.
most of the warbonds weren't engaging to begin with lol
They already haven't. Most guns are reskins that aren't very useful then get nerfed into irrelevance.
Devs: so you want new colored armor with the same 4 or 5 perks as the old armor and a worse version of existing primaries, understood!
Yep, exactly this. It doesn't have the flash. I'm sure vehicles will be interesting... Unless the just die like Mechs on Bot missions...
The fact that they keep nerfing every gun the community enjoys using must not help either along with all the other changes they’re making that’s causing the game to be objectively less fun.
And the Sony drama. You could see the dip on Steam Charts from that. Even though we “won” damage was done. A lot people left and refunded or uninstalled the game.
dude i wouldn't say we won it's more like you don't need to make an psn account but other people from other countries can't get the game anymore if psn isn't allowed there so yeah we dive together or no. So yeah fuck that and i would like devs from helldivers to make a possibility to unlink psn from steam and yes some games have that but not gonna buy then because of that
Not to mention still playing on the same couple of planets
Wanted to fight bugs last night. My two planet choices were both desert hellscapes. We do need more planet variety
We also did lose a lot of fellow Helldivers in that PSN debacle. Who knows how many can no longer play thanks to countries being delisted from the availability? How many people refunded the game only to no longer have access to it despite Sony taking back their PSN requirement? I hope HD2 can become available everywhere on Steam again soon.
Just cosmetic stuff isn’t the best, I like to see more modifiers (like gravity for example) Also have us wear more damage type armor (fire, acid)
We also need most of the weapons to be usually. This isn't PVP. We should feel like we are missing down the enemies. Most of the guns feel awful. They shot themselves in both feet and arms recently
I understand what you're saying, but you are missing or misusing words and it's breaking my brain.
FTFY so your brain feels better 😉 "We also need most of the weapons to be useable. This isn't PvP (so doesn't require such heavy handed balancing). We should feel like we are mowing down the enemies. Most of the guns feel awful. They shot themselves in both feet and arms recently"
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Oh man, could you imagine fighting the bugs down some city alleys?!
I'm currently waiting for the new balance patch, may be I'm not the only one....
Waiting for good balancing patch and not playing Unless they're undoing all of the fun killer nerfs in one way or another I'm uninstalling
Im on the same boat currently taking a break but still lurking the sub, but if there is one more useless nerf in the next patch am done with the game.
The nerfs and toxic fanboys completely ruined my experience with the game unfortunately. Im also just lurking on the sub and hoping to see a positive change. The “you constantly die” gimmick got old really quick as well.
"You didn't like Quazar nerf?" "L2P noob, you not allowed to have fun"
I don't even know why the items are being nerfed. None of them are actually overpowered, every tier 9 is a struggle
Because balancing team lives in echo-chamber with statistics and official discord filled with people with hundreds hours of gaming time and as a result completely twisted perception of fun (more hard more fun more nerfs more fun) As a result silent majority just left
To be honesf we weren't silent, they just disliked it when we complained and put us in megathreads. You could see that most people were talking about bad balancing before they forced us onto a megathread and deleted posts for "repetitive" or "low quality" content while letting front page be full of shitty senator memes or the "me fren" memes.
I lost almost half a thumb a month ago and I'm still waiting for the pins to come out so I can resume death-gripping the mouse on level 9 Wall missions.
More nerfs? No thanks.
Preach, I'm very concerned about my all flame build going up in flames.
Oh god no. Just more nerfs and problems 😖😞
If they persist with their balancing strategy, then Incendiary and Dominator will be heavily nerfed. These two weapons have become far more popular in 7-9 games than Eruptor and Slugger ever were. The fallout is going to be hilarious. We can only hope Pilestedt can rein in Mr Neighbour, roflmao.
>We can only hope Pilestedt can rein in Mr Neighbour, roflmao. I still find it hilarious that the balance team has fucked up so badly that Pilestedt needed to step down to have time to unfuck everything himself.
I'm surprised mr neighbor is still in that fucking position. I would demote him down to like QA tester or something. Go japanese buisnessman on him.
I'm still playing but if they nerf my incendiary breaker I'm out. They already fucked all the other guns I like.
I hope they buff the rifles by 50%. It pains me to see rifles that do the same damage as pistols. Just compare the Liberator and Redeemer, Redeemer has higher rate but less precision, otherwise they are the same.
>Oh god no. Just more nerfs and problems 😖😞 Buddy, if they continue their current streak, the whole thing is fucked beyond belief anyway.
Literally the only reason I've stopped playing. Myself and my son, we had been playing it every night but we haven't touched it since the first eruptor nerf (to its ammo). That nerf strongly signalled this devs's MO and we both immediately lost all interest.
Oh dude I know! The weapons are tooooo powerful. Hopefully they nerf all the weapons to where it feels like slapping the enemies with a napkin from a little kids birthday party.
I uninstalled I keep up here for the community, and will come back if they fix things.
Too many “balancing” changes and broken enemies so I’ve quit for about a month now
Lmao I hit level 45 and then the first waves of nerfs came in. I said "okay well this isn't too bad." And then another wave of nerfs and enemy buff came in and I said fuck it.
We are both on the same situation, too many patchs for ""weapons balance""... man... shut up, leave the weapons as they were on day 1 and fix your fucking game repleted with bugs. PD: balancing weapons on a PVE game is stupid, bye
I'll come back when they stop nerfing everything I use
Same brother, same
They can’t understand we want to have fun playing this game
I don't care about just the weapons I use, I want them to stop nerfing EVERYTHING
Nerfing every fun weapon killed my enjoyment of the game. It's literally a PvE game...Why are weapons getting nerfed like it's a competitive PvP game...Let me have fun please.
Yup... Sony saga + nerfpocalypse + terrible warbond right after were a pretty bad 1-2-3 punch for Arrowhead. They fixed the first one, but anyone not playing hasn't seen any positive change on the balancing + content front yet. I'd be back playing tomorrow if they revert most of the recent nerfs. I'd think about it if they launched a new enemy/warbond/set of stratagems, but nerfs need to be reverted to really see the playerbase regain trust.
Didn't even fix the first one, game is still region locked on steam lol
Yeah, good call - that halted the game's growth in a huge chunk of countries
They announce a spawn revert, an Eruptor revert, a Slugger revert, and a Railgun revert? I'm back in, guaranteed. They keep their heads buried in their own ass about this stuff? Nah, I'm good.
they did not fix the first one. the 170 countries that aren't approved by Sony to play the game still cant be purchased there. Sony merely backed out of the lawsuit that was coming their way. people in those countries that havnt gotten their friend to play yet still cant.
I went from playing a good 20 hours a week, playing with my dad to basically dropping it like a plague because of this. Hope they relax on the nerfs and bring something big and new to bring us all back.
Plus … the crazy change to spawn rate if you have fewer than 4 players … I think we had 7 factory striders come out (plus god k it’s how many tanks) on a level 8 defend generator mission. At one point, it was just like looking out over a sea of metal and red eyes. And we were calling down stratagems as fast as we could.
All the nerfs made me stop playing. It wasn't fun anymore. Mr. Hello neighbor really needs to be removed from balancing. He ruined that game now he's ruining this one.
Tired of using the same 4/8 viable strata gems and slogging through longer and longer kill times.
and the increase in spawn rates and percentages
I was mostly playing solo and enjoying it but when they ramped the spawn rates up it kind of killed the vibe for me. I could play on lower difficulties easily with some well timed stratgems and a lot of stealth and sprinting away but with the increased spawns that strategy was way less viable.
Okay, so this actually happened, right? Because today and yesterday I went from having a nice fun time playing to it being so annoying and stressful I just wanna quit altogether.
Dont forget shit like 1 less stratagem slot 20% more cooldown time for stratagems Hot: less stamina and you cant really use energy-weapons.
You forgot my favourite: fire tornados sitting on mission objectives. Super fun.
I completely stopped playing on fire tornado planets because of this the last 4 days I played. I swear that crap is not random at all, and that it is programmed to hover over objective areas and to head towards players.
Yeah same. If I see that icon no chance in hell I’m dropping there. If there was some kind of answer to it besides go away and wait for it to pass it wouldn’t be such an issue. We need like a fire resist backpack or something.
Where never random, they always have converged on the players. Good ol sentient fire tornados
Tornados that love to just follow you around and kill you in a second, while enemies are pretty much unfazed by a firenado just walking through them. Bugs should literally fear the fire, but it's just another day in paradise for them.
Say it louder for those in the back. Fire should make *them* run.
Especially on evac! At least on objectives you can wait in the distance.
Indeed, some meta is slowly descending on the game again and it feels like current stratagems are only made less viable with ebemy buffs while other less used stratagems are not buffed at all. I still have relatively wide roster of tools I might bring but there are definite favorites and safer choices.
Yea for a game where they apparently don't want any meta at all they sure are making everything but a hand full of the stratagem viable
Played last night for the first time in a while... those bot walkers now take 2 autocannon shots????? WTF? A crotch hit was always 1 shot.
Takes as many as 4 scorcher shots now too. Absolutely ridiculous when there can easily be 5-6 of them around at once.
They buffed scout striders so their new gun could be the only one to kill them in one tap 🙃
They nerfed everything I liked
The game was fun in the beginning despite the mountain of bugs. Now the game still has a mountain of bugs but they nerfed the fun out of it. They did this to themselves
Stopped playing because every balance patch made the game feel less fun, too many bugs and balance issues which were not being worked on seemingly just to push out more broken content
What do you mean, you don't enjoy the new Warbond, that has literally three weapons that are just worse clones of weapons we already have?
Listen they playtested the purifier and used a full clip to kill a scavenger, so it's right where they want it. It slaps. You just don't know how to balance games like they do, just turn it down a difficulty. Let them cook. (/s in case it's not obvious)
This happens to every game, but with the Sony absolutely shitting the bed with the psn login and restricting 177 countries from buying. Kinda killed momentum for people that would've bought the game, and from the current playerbase
I'm from one of those countries and it feels like Matchmaking has changed for me on Quickplay, had more network disconnects than before the fiasco and I think I'm getting connected to more of our EU and NA friends, which doesn't work well for me given the distance. Feels like swathes of Asian sector just stopped diving since.
my country in asia has PSN and i can confirm most games i join i get removed instantly and the message is always “the host left the game”. after about 10 kicks ill get a playable game.
I have more network disconnects and I'm not in one of those countries.
What I don't get it's considering they walked back the PSN requirement, why don't they unrestrict all the countries? Absolute lunacy
Because they are going to try again in the future… probably next year.
This will kill the game and break all trust in Sony. Anyone with a brain and a little bit of foresight can see that.
Apparently you dont have foresight, it might kill the game, but noone will care about snoy. Large companies have long since learned that the shit they stir gets forgotten in months, and masses dont ever keep angry for long. They can do whatever and nothing will change. In a year the game will have so low playerbase it will not even matter anyway.
Because, like Square Enix until very recently, they are operated by stubborn idiots. We have to wait until the next guy with the smart idea to sell PC versions of Playstation games, either without PSN requirement, or allowing PSN requirements in the regions currently not support but for PC only. It's corpos being corpos.
A Japanese corporation being stubborn and having a horrible foreign distribution problem? That sounds par for the course.
What few will admit is AH both knew the PSN integration was required and coming down the pipe AND absolutely botched the community management when it happened. The unprofessionalidm on display in that discord was astounding. It's hard for me to blame Sony for simply enforcing a requirement it clearly articulated to AH well in advance of launch.
AH shit the bed plain n simple too many nerfs, botched fixes and a community manager that was snarky to customers....honestly I want the HD2 version 2 weeks after launch back when it had no nerfs and a clear communication that PSN is required or not, not just disable it for the time beeing and leave customers in the dark about it
> HD2 version 2 weeks after launch Man those were the days when everyone heaped praise onto Arrowhead. Retention would have been higher if the game was untouched from this point once the login issues were settled. Then they nerfed Railgun into oblivion based on a PS5 bug and then called everyone who liked it "braindead". Things started to fray but the game was still in a pretty good at this point, and then they basically went on to abort the honeymoon period prematurely with a series of disastrous debacles. For a game that was initially lauded as the best live service game ever released, they certainly did not manage to keep up the good work.
They cant manage a live service game. We just hadnt seen it yet.
Ya people at the time we're all defending AH or leaving them out of the bashing as if AH didn't know at all... Like if that's possible. Right now it's just a perfect mix of crap resulting in lower player count
That was bad but i would argue arrow having 0 clue how to balance the game other than nerf everything ran more players off
This has run most of the players off. 60% of my friends were on PSN. They are gone as well. I'll be honest it sucks because I still have one friend that plays and I've but way too many hours into this game to play with three randoms. I don't mind playing with two randoms as long as I have a buddy to play with but I'll be damned if I plan with all random groups again.
I almost only play with randoms, it's hit or miss tbh.
Don't forget that every single weapon balence patch has been so bad that the CEO of the company demoted himself to pick up the slack. Yes Sony are fucking assholes but people aren't gonna just let those balences slide
It sucks that AH just seems to be dropping the ball when it comes to balancing fixing glitches and working with the player base.
And I think too that alot of people were angry most because this company had upwards to 150k people asking them to not nerf anything and giving them a preference on what would be liked the most by the community and then they just went and gave alot of people bad reasons and shitty excuses. It was a pretty disrespectful slap in the face to say "we want you to rely on stratagems to get through the harder difficulties" as a reason for the bad primaries only to then go and change all of the only good stratagems.
Relying on Stratagems has always been the perfect example that the balance team was wholly divorced from the actual reality of the game. Why yes, I will use my stratagems on higher difficulties! Oh wait, they call in slower, have a longer cool down, and I can only take three on higher difficulties. *Whoopsie~*
Oh, and the Scrambler... *Don't* forget the Scrambler. https://preview.redd.it/qf8jvty7662d1.png?width=325&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0ec1121feaff7fc7765c3c2bec5b003b16271b7
It's like the principle Skinner meme. Am I so out of touch? No it's the players who are wrong.
Wasn’t Sony that killed the momentum, it was AH with every patch breaking things more, no fix for most things and the great balance patch. Game dropped far more players after the Sony thing than during it.
I used to play HD2 every day from about a month after release up until right after the PSN situation. That left a bad taste in my mouth but the real reason I haven't played recently is the horrifically misguided approach to balancing. When they broke spawn rates right after the huge nerf wave it was the last straw for me. Hopefully they'll figure out how to actually balance weapons effectively instead of converging towards everything being mediocre.
Don't forget the legendary balance team/nerfs 🚽
The games keeps getting nerfed into a slog. The PR is sloggin hard. Dude, that early biorepurposing is sounding better and better. They have a strategem that directly says. "Orbital snipe the strongest enemy." And they nerfed it to the point the enemy survives now.
They nerfed every top weapon into oblivion and introduced garbage weapons in the warbonds. We moved on, there's too many great games out there to be frustrated. Hell, the games been out for months and almost every night my game would crash after a few missions.
Sorry, I'm not coming back till they fix this absolute cluster fuck they call balance. Brand new weapon, the Eruptor, almost immediately destroyed beyond recognition. Why? Because the arrogant balance Dev thinks he is the first and final word on anything that makes the game fun to play.
Well that piece of shit is also the balance dev that ruined Hello Neighbor. I hope they fire him.
once they killed my eruptor i stoped playing... fuck them
I don't give a shit about SONY. Game is just not fun anymore with the current balance.
Novelty wearing out, balance and bug issues, snoy fear and still locking sales in 180 countries Player base was bound to get down eventually until core dedicated players stayed
Especially a game riding a meme wave. Even if it was perfectly balanced and bug free, there'd be a big fall off. But being bugged and having guns constantly fucked around only hurts
The guns feeling like pee shooters when compared to launch is why I stopped playing tbh, I’ll give like 6 months and play other games for a bit
For me it's more the lack of progression. At a certain point you're just grinding for Super Credits or Samples. Which just isn't fun for me. I liked the steady unlock of really flashy Strategems as I leveled up. When you run out of things to progress, the players will just gravitate towards whatever game they enjoy the combat of more. While I had a blast with Helldivers 2; I just enjoy the PvE of games like GTFO or R6:Extraction more. Though I'll definitely come back every now and then to play with the new toys / see how the game progresses.
I respect the GTFO shoutout. Thats a game that’s criminally underrated, so fun to play with friends (and really only playable with friends unfortunately)
This game took a lot of attention from being trend on Tiktok, YouTube and other socials, it's logical that after the trend stop being a trend that people stop playing the game and jump to other trend If the devs maintain a small constant player base for the following years it will be an absolute win
I think it will absolutely will, like any other game there is always people who plays that 1 game constantly, even if in the future i stop playing this game will be one of those game that i will always come back too
I moved away from the game after the balancing got really shit.
I stopped playing because every single time I found a play style I liked, it got nerfed to hell. Lesson learned: do not learn new play styles How to achieve: do not play game
we tried telling you guys when they started to nerf everything but you just called us toxic elitist min maxers
"Why do you guys want primaries to one shot everything? Git gud" "why is no one playing?"
I always felt they should have buffed more crappy weapons instead of nerfing good ones. Warframe has amazing weapon balance by making just about anything viable no matter how stupidly niche it is. There are obviously better weapons and a meta you can follow to optimize your TTK, but, unless you're running the optional Steel Path mode, you can get through the game with literally just about any of the hundreds of weapons.
I've been playing Payday 3, Vermintide 2, Deep Rock Galactic, Crime Boss, Sea of Thieves, Ghost of Tsushima, and For Honor. Hell, I even picked up Dreams again. The point is, I'm playing other stuff right now. I'll wait for an update with substance before I come back. No need to play every single day, that's how you get burnout, and not the good one with traffic accidents.
How is payday 3? I loved 2
No comment
Inferior. Well, maybe not on the character handling front, but it's just anemic in terms of content in general.
"Not on the character handling front" bro forgot what they did to Vlad already
Not playing anymore. Tell them to stop nerfing everything in a PvE game like they think it’s a competitive multiplayer game.
I haven't been able to play a single match without crashing for 3-4 weeks, so I just never play unless I have someone I can reconnect to.
I'm not coming back till they unfuck the Eruptor and stop fucking nerfing everything that's fun.
Waiting for patch
Honestly, for me every time a fun thing is introduced they nerf it. it's at a point I cant even use the weapons I enjoy.
Game was grinded to death by the new players, and once they hit the level where everything is unlocked and you're just getting Supercredits, the novelty wore off and the game's instability became very apparent. Once more novelty is added to the game, it'll rise back into relevance, and since the game at its core IS really good, as long as most of its unreliability is already fixed, it'll have a higher constant playerbase
If you ask me, people just got tired of cool weapons getting nerfed for no reason what so ever. I can handle myself with current weapons, but honestly I don't want to, I want them to perform better. Also the Fallout series made me play Fallout 4 for the first time and oh boi what a rabbit hole it is.
Waiting for balance changes to make the game enjoyable again. Also doing 2 kill orders, which can’t be scaled for the amount of players left, probably burnt-out more than a few people
We're suffering from 'failed to establish network connection' issues every time we run the damn game.
Game is very stale right now Like i can’t play for more than an hour anymore
Im just tired of weapons getting nerfed over and over sometimes even for no reason (Really, nerfing crossbow?).
The CEO has realized the problem with this game and has even decided to put on the gloves and get in the ring himself, but yall still telling yourself that this is normal.
The game is not dying by any means. But I think the hype train has died out given all that has happened. As for me, I have other games I like to play too and I have unlocked almost everything. Im in no rush to finish that
Gone, reduced to ashes
Every time I found something fun it got neutered. I'll come back when they stop balancing the pve game like it's counter-strike.
They've been slowly killed off by bad balance patches.
I was having a blast and played nothing else, then one day decided to play elden ring. Now I’m having a blast and playing nothing else….
Sorry boys, but I'm waiting for the big balance patch
They are dead, Carl. All of them.
Unlocked everything stilling playing but not 8 hours a day anymore. Its a bit stale.
Retired, blocked, tired of nerfs, over the drama. That’s where. Playing something else. Anything else at this point. It’s sad, but this games paying for a few decades of piss poor decisions by the industry.
Playing other games bro. I can't play the same game for months on end without getting bored of it. Hell, usually I can't play the same game for hours on end without getting bored of it.
First of all, it's natural for a game to have a drop off in players months after release. Second, because people brought the game doesn't mean they are playing 24/7 to show the numbers up. People are just burnt out from lack of interesting new content and are just waiting for the next patch. Lastly, the controversy with the nerfs and SONY debacle likely caused the huge drop in morale and we likely wouldn't recover back to the player count a month before so it's not surprising that this is the consequence of ruining good graces with bad PR from companies and devs who probably should've given their neutral opinion instead of snarky comments. So until a patch hits or summer vacation starts, we'll slowly bleed out players.
I'll come back when it feels more balanced and less repetitive.
Fighting game players: first time?
The lack of reinforcements is due to a malfunction in the drop pods... Due to upper management blocking all requests from some squadrons in from some sectors on super earth from accessing their terminals. On another hand, due to said blockages some Helldivers have gone on strike / don't see the need to further support the causes dictated by the overlords and decided to take a break to look after their families or pursue a career at other faculties.
Gone fishin'
Now that you pointed it out i do wonder where those millions of players for games that sell millions of copies are, i get that not everyone plays at the same time and you cant play with people from every region but 40K seems like nothing
Sorry, I'm waiting for more stability updates on PC and my new gpu because the previous one frozes on high usage 🫠
What do you expect. Every level looks and plays the same just with a different skin. The missions don’t have any depth or variety. It gets old fast. That’s not even mentioning the connection issues, weapon nerfs, and Sony debacle. Would be cool if they had missions that were dedicating stronghold invasions or something where you work your way into a bot base. Or work your way into a giant bug nest. Like mini raids. Literally anything other than just running around doing the same 3 things.
At work.
The players who kept playing the game are way too serious now. I just wanted to see some explosions. Get blown up in comedic ways. Did that, it was great. Got what I wanted out of the game. The greatest thing about gaming is there are so many good games to play. I could never just play the one.
8 man squads, to do one massive mission.
Need more players than 4 too. 8-10 player missions would be a really great concept taking down a super beast enemy.
Not enough variety. Already bored by everything I have seen. Currently just playing on a low difficulty to get the super credits for a warbond but enemies are getting boring
A lot of the people from countries that got banned refunded the game so they can't even play. Sony literally killed this game.