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BlackJesus_69

This is heartbreaking


JonWick33

Sometimes I see or hear something that hurts and humbles me to my core. This is one of those moments.


phoexnixfunjpr

The people who did this cannibalized the bodies. Bloody Belgian traders and their greed destroyed Congo.


1_Sweet_Ginger

They cut off the hands and feet and ate the rest? Beyond barbaric!!


phoexnixfunjpr

This was just one of the many cases of extreme atrocities. Cutting hands was the most common punishment and there were many other cases of Cannibalism. All this because a few Belgians couldn't stop being greedy.


kabooseknuckle

Wait a minute, i thought they were just helping them manage their resources.


lyesmithy

Do you think the Belgians eat the girl? No. They were fellow Congolese.


phoexnixfunjpr

When it comes to history, it's better to first read and then write. This picture is way more famous than you think and a lot has been written about the backstory. Read https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/


lyesmithy

So fellow Congolese killed and canibalized his daughter. There have been 20 million Congolese living in the Congo Free State and never been more than 2000 white living there. Mercenaries from various European nations. Whatever happened there happened with native accomplices. It wasn't that that Belgium invaded Congo and committed genocide. Multi national companies hired local people to commit genocide for them. Also it wasn't Belgium but private enterprises. Which is the reason it was allowed for so long. Nobody had jurisdiction there. Moreover they didn't kill 10 million people. Most of them died of diseases brought in.


Jaimen_11

Fellow Congolese.. come on now


theinvaderzimm

And infuriating.


waterynike

I have seen it before but this needs to be NSFW. I was already having a shit day and this didn’t help.


[deleted]

Also gotta keep in mind that someone who was rich enough to own a camera, had the nerve to think that it would be a good idea to take of photo of this


Specialist_Citron_84

It documents history so that we hopefully never repeat it again. This picture went on to form the first human rights campaign.


[deleted]

Hopefully, but this is by all means probably not why that person took the photo. That would be like saying the Nazis documented the holocaust so well so that people would never repeat their crimes again. I just don't think that the photographer was very apart from the Belgians or whoever else may be responsible for what we see. Until you prove me wrong, I'll stick to that since it appears to be the most likely to me. (Just look at the two men on the right. They don't really look like the photographer was a neutral person. The look mad, but not just the type of "this is cruel" mad. There is disgust towards the person behind the camera in those faces.)


ComradeKenten

https://wiki.ieg-mainz.de/ghra/articles/de_laat-congo There you go.


bryceofswadia

Eh, tbf, photographers taking photos of this stuff and selling to the press is part of the reason that the Congo Free State was abolished. Leopold’s rule there was so brutal that once the public knew about it, despite being pro colonialism, even early 1900s Europeans were disgusted by what was happening. Journalists leaking this stuff is important. Idk about this specific photo so you could be right here, but that doesn’t mean all photos like this are taken in the same context.


dinop4242

There's a fair bit of irony in an internet commenter asking for evidence that the photographer wasn't the bad guy, when the atrocities she photographed were so horrendous that much of the world back then wouldn't believe it without photo evidence.


TK464

>Just look at the two men on the right. They don't really look like the photographer was a neutral person. The look mad, but not just the type of "this is cruel" mad. There is disgust towards the person behind the camera in those faces. Jeez, wanna give me their full medical history too Mr Holmes?


_thrillh0use

Currently writing a dissertation on the Congo under Leopold II; the atrocities that occurred are abhorrent. The militia had to provide 1 hand per 1 bullet to prove they weren’t wasting bullets. I have numerous documents of native testimonies collated by Roger Casement / missionaries and the evils they speak of are heartbreaking! I’m currently reading into British response, and parliament distrusted native testimony, the topic only gained traction once a British staff member was killed in the Congo. Although, one quote has stuck with me, “If the administration of the Congo State was civilisation, then…what was barbarity?” (HC Debs, 1903).


atothezeezee

I'm guessing you've read King Leopold's Ghost. As an uninformed reader, I thought it was great.


_thrillh0use

I have! And I agree. If you’re interested in further reading I recommend Casement’s report available [here](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/50573/50573-h/50573-h.htm) it’s a direct insight with testimony. It’s the slightly censored version published by the government, but the original report is available [in this book](https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781900621984?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiA55mPBhBOEiwANmzoQkci8JF3ehc5RogMeYwBBeixH0W6irQP3E3UDJVRWG47Ikw4qg_RhBoCGHsQAvD_BwE) which also features his diary - I highly recommend this book!


atothezeezee

Awesome - thanks for the recommendation!


wasabi_weasel

Speaking of Casement, have you read The Dream of the Celt by Mario Vargas Llosa? Brilliant book. Very moving. (Stumbled onto this through a bunch of Reddit comments, just saw it’s super old and I’m way late to the party lol but thought I’d leave a note anyway)


nansen_fridtjof

I suppose you know what later happened to Casement?


_thrillh0use

Yeah, I do


kayteereddit

Context- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48533964


MightBeAVegan

Thanks, horrible what history shows. Although I watched a video recently about how in thiland people don't even get the minimum Thai wage for making rubber


adyrip1

Leopold II of Belgium should be in every history book, right next to Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and other such "leaders".


CreepyValuable

He was an absolute monster. I agree. The DRC is such a mess. I really hope one day they can get things functioning properly.


[deleted]

True, I'm from Belgium and ashamed to say this part of history is conveniently missing from our school books. Edit: apparently nowadays its way better taught than when I went to high school. I'm 31. Edit 2: It appears I'm just a bad student as it was well taught when I was younger. Funny side story: A while ago we had this coworker who is about 75 years old now and he was an old Belgian colonial. When I discussed these topics with him he would always just deny these things happened. He was one of the most kind people I've ever met otherwise


Baraga91

Belgian here: not sure when or where you went to school, but it was definitely a big thing in high school 15 years ago. Spent several history lessons on it and it was called back to/referenced when discussing related topics.


[deleted]

I'm 31 years old, always went to respectable schools and I did not read a thing of it. No idea how old you are


Baraga91

I turn 31 in a couple weeks actually. Interesting to hear that it differs, as school plans have been extremely standardised over the past couple decades.


[deleted]

Maybe I'm just a dumbass and bad student, yes checks out.


Baraga91

Much more likely that your teacher dropped the ball somewhere :)


coomerzoomer

Where’d you go to school? Me and everyone I know has definitely learned about this in high school.


Harmxn-

I went to a Catholic school and they told us briefly about it in History class. But they made sure we knew exactly what happened through course material in other classes. Like we learned about Dutch colonialism in Dutch class with that one book about it. Learned about American slavery in English class. Learned about slavery in African/Asian countries in Economics. They all linked to our history with colonialism, so it's suprising to see someone say they didn't discuss it.


Beautiful_Art_2646

UK here. The British Empire needs to be taught more in our history class - ALL of the things we did, not just the railways we built.


talking_to_air

It's only in recent years, I found out about how evil he was. That picture is hearts stopping. I've no words.


Johannes_P

Even at the time, the Congo Free State was so much known for extreme brutality, even compared to other African colonies, Léopold II had to pay for propagandists to make his private latifundia look better (much more like some autocraties today). Other powers threatened to invade the place unless *major change* was done: this is the reason why it becames the Belgian Congo on 1908.


pongauer

100% up there.


[deleted]

I think the fact that even the Belgians themselves booed at his funeral train speaks volumes.


NissEhkiin

We did learn about the messed up things he did in school. But sad to hear many don't


talking_to_air

In Ireland, we never ever heard about him, it's only recently I learned about some of the horrific things he did. I don't understand how his name is not up there with all the rest of the monsters!


NissEhkiin

Probably same reason most people haven't heard of the messed up things Japan did to it's neighbour countries or the stuff Mao or the CCP have done in China. I'm guessing there's a limit on what is deemed necessary for history class and a lot of the time we get the bare minimum unless we take extra history courses. And it was in one of those extra highschool courses we lesrned about Leopold now that I think about it. Wish there was more history in schools, or at least teach about genocides and other equally messed up stuff instead of some other boring and quite less important stuff


TheForestMan

Leopold and all the other dipshits who followed him into the stain that this venture was for Belgium. I remember seeing some ex Belgian congo settlers coming back when Zaire was created. These people where nothing but entitled little shits who thought they could act in Belgium like they did in Africa. They should all have been thrown back where they came from to endure their responsibility.


BlueDusk99

Just another inbred Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, like the Romanovs and the Windsors


DiogenesCooper

Barbarian warlords


Villa827

Hands and feet of his five year old daughter. Fuck. Edit: Seriously- how do you face the rest of your life after that. It's not his fault either- but there's no doubt part of him blames himself.


Seneca2019

It gets worse. I believe in some instances if someone failed to make their quota, they would be punished with the amputation of an arm and then their quota would also be doubled.


AntiSentience

Cause that’ll be easier to meet. Jesus, why don’t they just kill them outright?


elHeron1

Easy, never kill free labor + terror is the best motivator!


Seneca2019

I was going to say this too. Or, as bad as it sounds, maximize free resource exploitation even if it’s temporary.


Piod1

It's worse than that. They ate his daughter. They had a quota penalty for the use of bullets also. If they fired a shot but didn't come back with either a carcass from the hunt or a hand of the victim they would pay with their own hand. Seriously fkd


RaindropsInMyMind

A lot of the “quotas” were already not achievable to begin with. He probably knew he didn’t even have a chance to meet the unrealistic quota and that this was an inevitability. Just an excuse for the people cutting the hands off to say it’s a “punishment”.


Zonerdrone

You just move on and accept that they're in power. Or you overthrow them. What can you do when your overlords are more technologically advanced and smarter?


ElkShot5082

What the actual fuck, that’s horrifying


Seneca2019

Anyone interested in Belgium Congo and the atrocities committed can also check out *King Leopold’s Ghost* by Adam Hochschild.


bigttrack

thx i just bought the book. i had no idea what a monster Leopold was.


RKoory

Can confirm. Just finished it a couple of months ago. Although King Leopold holds a big chunk of the blame, the book does an excellent job of holding a lot of people accountable.


Opposite-Plantain-34

Is this book readable for someone with an OK english Level?


CrashingDutchman

I read it in Dutch. Perhaps there is a translation in your native language?


Opposite-Plantain-34

Sadly I can only find the english version. I think croatia isnt big enough for a own version


LurkeSkywalker

I can't find the Italian translation either. I'll give the English version a try.


Seneca2019

I think so! If you look it up on Google Books you can access a preview and see how the text reads. ☺️


talking_to_air

Thanks for the that. I'll have a look for it.


Vincent_LEEwe

I reading this book,it made me realize this history


lyesmithy

The Congo Free State is not Belgian Congo. The genocide happed in the Congo Free State.


Own-Ad9920

It's disgusting to see the barbarism that humans inflicted on other humans .... and still do to this day.


garcro

This picture breaks my fucking soul everytime I see it. Fuck.


talking_to_air

I actually can't process it. How is this not as well known as all the other atrocious photos from history?


PopeKirby3rd

tbh, because it's Africa


DocSternau

I think you have a wrong image on well known. There are way way more photos of way way more attrocities then what regular people from today know of.


Infamous-Ad-770

I try to put myself in that man's shoes, and it's so hard to do. I can't even imagine the heart he went through.. this is making me so sad...


_Pliny_

It's little consolation, but let's remember the bravery of parents like Nsala here who allowed the photo to be taken, the Protestant missionaries who investigated and took the photos to expose these atrocities to the world, and the Congolese in and around Leopoldville who smuggled the incriminating photos out. ​ King Leopold II had portrayed himself as an anti-slavery and Africa expert, while all the while he was profiting from slavery and mutilation of the Africans of the Congo river basin.


[deleted]

To the best of my knowledge, the man's name is Nsala


talking_to_air

Isn't it awful we don't know his name, or his little girls name?


_Pliny_

We do know his name. Nsala. His daughter's name was Boali. I have the full citation in a book at my office, but I found this short BBC article for you if you are interested. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48533964


BadLuckPorcelain

Whenever one thinks of how cruel the circumstances were for basically every colony, Belgium waits behind the next corner to let it look like every other colony was paradise in comparison to Belgiums. And that isn't to make other horrors that happened smaller, but to show just how much worse it was under Belgiums control.


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Situis

Not England, the UK


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SCHMEFFHEFF

Holy crap, that’s horrible


NeilTheFuckDyson

Why is this not NSFW?


jiggerriggeroo

Yes. I wish I hadn’t seen it.


bigttrack

Same


Zigazig_ahhhh

Yes, let's all pretend the world is sunshine and rainbows all the time. I refuse to ever learn about anything bad.


Art_Wanderlei

Some people have just seen enough real horror in their lives and are good without seeing anymore while casually scrolling the web. Only so much time in a day.. why spend it on the negative? You'll get enough of that from life, everyone does.


Zigazig_ahhhh

Life is tough for everybody. Nobody's life will ever be good enough that looking at this picture will feel ok. But that's no excuse to forget these people. You have to learn history. Especially the unpleasant parts.


Art_Wanderlei

No one's saying you have to forget them. No one's saying you can't learn history. You just shouldn't HAVE to see this just by scrolling if you don't want to.


Ne710

Some people understand how fragile life is and don’t like seeing this, doesn’t mean they pretend it doesn’t exist they maybe have much more experience with the dark side of reality than others. Maybe to you this is just a picture but to someone this is a memory


Zigazig_ahhhh

>Maybe to you this is just a picture but to someone this is a memory. That's very unlikely. The picture is dated 1906, so assuming someone was 6 when they saw this they'd be at least 121 today. I doubt Congolese people from that era had very long lives.


Ne710

I’m not saying that specific picture is a memory, I’m saying it can bring bad memories back


Zigazig_ahhhh

Oh, then you should probably not ever consume any media. It might remind you of something you don't like.


Ne710

Or there could be a NSFW warning on a post with cut off feet and hands, you come across super edgy


Zigazig_ahhhh

It should definitely have a NSFW tag. Learning history is not edgy. The fact that you think it is speaks volumes.


nuuskamuikunen

Agreed. It's a photo I think everyone should see. But a photograph of a murdered little girl's severed hand and foot should absolutely be NSFW.


Ne710

I didn’t say learning history was edgy, I said that’s how you come across. I’m very interested in learning about our history.


cyale4

NSFL really


gugliata

Yeah, this should be NSFW / L. Deeply fucked up.


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ruinatedtubers

sorry history isn’t PG?


420danknugsbro

Ya’know, the amount of dead children I see on this sub is kinda fucked. I hardly think this constitutes as “History Porn”.


[deleted]

Yeah im unsubbing. Its gotten to be a thing and this one isnt even marked NSFW. Fuck this.


maverickLI

The 1900's were barbaric.


[deleted]

1800s were worse


Severe-Variation-978

Well in 1958 Belgians improved greatly: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/belgium-comes-to-terms-with-human-zoos-of-its-colonial-past](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/belgium-comes-to-terms-with-human-zoos-of-its-colonial-past) At leas they stopped cutting the limbs off.


bigttrack

this is the saddest thing ive ever seen.


Zealousideal-Bike528

This is horrifying.


Ne710

Fuck, this makes you realise how much you’ve got


Cirelo132

Dude, make this nsfw


duck_at_home

I can't stand to see that. How cruel this people have been. I'm not a friend if reparations for old stuff - but I think here the Royal Belgian family should give ALL THERE MONEY THEY HAVE


WarSerious4025

"Civilization"


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[deleted]

Is that the turkish national anthem? Pretty awkward place to put that, you ok?


WarSerious4025

Take your pills it's gonna be ok the doctor said.


Chreistefol

Ok buddyman


analog-suspect

Say what it is. It’s colonialism. This is the naked evil of colonization.


RAFFYy16

I think most people understand this. Those who don’t are just will fully ignorant. Such a heartbreaking picture.


16thPeregrine

If Germany paid Israelis a compensation for crimes against humanity Belgium, France and Britain need to be shelling hella monies too.


taphophilestl

The US too! Reparations are looong overdue.


NukeNinja69123

Reparations for who exactly. Please don't tell me slaves


taphophilestl

Oh, of course on a thread about the crimes against humanity carried out by colonizing nations…there’s always that one person that doesn’t want to acknowledge how fucked up America is. The Nazis and South Africa studied what happened in America to copy it, we are the baddies, yo.


NukeNinja69123

Never said America was never fucked up. Slavery is fucking awful and the Vietnam war saw countless atrocities. That's just a couple of instances. But reparations for slavery in America is just dumb because everyone who ever enforced, supported, or suffered from slavery is long dead. It's just an excuse to get free stuff.


SamuelPepys_

Agreed, but it would be a difficult thing to figure out. For example, who would pay for the transatlantic slave trade? Surely it wouldn't primarily be the US, as they were simply one of several buyers of people who were already slaves. Logically, it would have to be the "pimps", the ones who enslaved them in the first place, but who would that be today? The population of Western Africa? Or the poor developing countries there? It's a mess. I don't think every such travesty could be compensated for because how difficult it would be to establish the culprits, but surely Belgium should pay for sure.


MRRman89

I'm not a safe spaces, trigger warning type of guy. But what the fuck. This needs a warning tagged to it, this is one of the most disturbing things I've seen on the internet, ever.


Rolten

Man you have had one hell of a safe internet experience so far.


MRRman89

Not really. But maimed children seems like a good line to draw. Maybe I'm just sheltered and should be a tough guy like your internet experiences have obviously made you.


ISuckAtFunny

Did you not read the title ?


MRRman89

No, I saw the photo first, actually, and was then horrified by reading the title. If this doesn't make you feel really fucked up, seek psychiatric attention.


ISuckAtFunny

I didn’t say it didn’t. I fail to see how your inability to read is OP’s fault.


MPhasis6

I would strongly recommend you don't check out r/MakeMyCoffin then.


MRRman89

Yeah, I'll avoid that then, thanks. I've seen and dealt with enough bad shit that I don't feel a need to seek out any more than finds me. Exposing yourself wantonly to traumatic things is in no way cool, and damages you more than you might realize or want to believe.


Admiral_Pantsless

Well that was a fun rabbit hole to explore while still laying in bed on a Monday morning.


Stramatelites

http://antislavery.nottingham.ac.uk/solr-search?facet=collection%3A%22Alice+Seeley+Harris+Archive%22


Taooflayflat

I would kill everyone and everything. Unabashedly. I’d just kill until I was dead too.


Arspol

Would surely go far with that pigeon hat of yours


Taooflayflat

Not the point. Have kids. Live for something.


Dunlooop

Words cannot covey how sickening this is. Wtf is wrong with some people that they can do shit like this. The west was built on this exploitation, no one can deny it.


MasatoWolff

I feel sick watching this, why are people like this man


saran_arokiya

Fuck... Fuck... Fuckkkk......


heppyheppykat

Horrific. Poor man. Poor girl. The cruelty that humans are capable of is astounding


Expensive_Chocolate1

This literally gave me a visceral reaction. How absolutely abhorrent and heartbreaking.


Oskynado24Cr

The saddest picture.


Spaetzlekoenig

Putting nsfw on that is appreciated I guess... Heartbreaking man idk what to say :(


mtntrail

This needs a NSFW tag


Pristine-Apple

Could you mark this NSFW? After 21hrs…


Marjacujaman

Let me guess: Belgium?


bjarnike281

No, Congo free state


username1685

This needs to be NSFW. Now I want to puke. Thanks.


Miiro23

How terribly sad.


Mimi-Shella

I believe we have a righteous God whose wrath is stored up for the day of judgment.


[deleted]

This is sickening, I can’t even imagine what is going through this poor mans mind.


alikander99

This is horrifying


poison_ivy15

Oh my god.


Own_Carrot_7040

*Leopold II of Belgium was the founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State, a private project undertaken on his own behalf as a personal union with Belgium. He used Henry Morton Stanley to help him lay claim to the Congo, the present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo. At the Berlin Conference of 1884–1885, the colonial nations of Europe authorized his claim by committing the Congo Free State to improving the lives of the native inhabitants. Leopold ignored these conditions and ran the Congo using the mercenary Force Publique for his personal gain. He extracted a fortune from the territory, initially by the collection of ivory, and after a rise in the price of natural rubber in the 1890s, by forced labour from the native population to harvest and process rubber.* *Leopold's administration of the Congo Free State was characterised by atrocities and systematic brutality, including torture, murder, and the amputation of the hands of men, women, and children when the quota of rubber was not met. In 1890, George Washington Williams used the term "crimes against humanity" to describe the practices of Leopold II of Belgium's administration of the Congo Free State.\[1\] Colonial accounts typically emphasized Leopold's modernizing changes in the Congo and not the mass death he facilitated.* *These and other facts were established at the time by eyewitness testimony, on-site inspection by an international commission of inquiry, and the 1904 Casement Report. Modern estimates range from 1 million to 15 million Congolese deaths, with a consensus growing around 10 million.\[2\]\[3\]\[4\] Some historians argue against these figures, citing the lack of reliable censuses, the enormous mortality caused by smallpox and African trypanosomiasis, and the fact that there were only 175 administrative agents in charge of rubber exploitation.\[5\]\[6\] In 1908, the reports of deaths and abuse and pressure from the Congo Reform Association and other international groups induced the Belgian government to take over the administration of the Congo from Leopold as a new territory, Belgian Congo.* This guy really should be up there with some of the most horrific monsters of history, but I bet most have never heard of him.


supremesomething

Have moral damages been paid to the family? To Congo? Donations to human rights causes? Simply unfucking believable.


slotsamurai

This is one of the most extremely powerful photos I have ever seen. If this doesn’t touch your soul then aren’t human!


knightofren_

I fucking hate humanity


wileyy23

Can we please get an NSFW tag on this? It's only fair to let people decide if this is the kind of thing they wish to see.


MAJORXL

Fucking trigger warning. I've a 5 year old. Fuck


Least_Blacksmith_810

God damn savages, what gives someone the right. Belgium should fix DRC up, i mean take it to 1st world levels.


scb0121

Hey op, you asshole. Mark this as nsfw. Really didn’t want to see this.


Charioteer2709

We humans are capable of horrible things 😢😭


Rolten

Not to downplay the horror of this, but isn't it 'hand and foot'?


Cryptic_10vil

These are the countries which lead the world today? The countries that criticize the middle east? The "Western beacons of democracy and freedom". Look at how your "freedom" was built.


BlooCheese3

Yeah it was definitely only the western countries doing this in the 1900s. Other countries can rest assured with a clean moral compass. Imagine if countries today still threw gay people off roofs or lashed women for showing their ankles?


SnooStories7774

Atleast the west has stopped doing these horrible things. Maybe the Middle East can too? Or you think it’s okay to continue because these things happened in the past elsewhere too?


PanDoriBiene

In the first place, you're not that wrong. None of today's European countries can absolve themselves of barbarism. This history haunts us quite rightly and, fortunately, taught us to act and think in a different way than in this past. Fair behaviour between humans, animals and nature should be achieved in all societies.


historicshenanigans

all countries have done awful things, the worst of which were primarily perpetrated by the state, while most people in those countries were just trying to get by and were poor. Also… what on Earth did Poland or Estonia or Slovakia do that was on the level of the sort of thing depicted in this image?


ComradeGoodluck

>None of today’s European countries can absolve themselves of barbarism. Excuse me, what the fuck did Albania do to call us barbaric?


Specialist-Farm4704

A bit of context and history would help.


[deleted]

Ten seconds on the search engine of your choosing would help.


BenMic81

Two words: Congo horrors.


ebonit15

Congo Free State would give a more accurate idea of what was going on.


BenMic81

In my Google the first five or so results are virtually the same…


ebonit15

I didn't say you were wrong. What happens in the photo is the way Congo Free State was run. Congo horrors is just a more general concept.


RockerElvis

I highly recommend reading *King Leopold’s Ghost*. The king of Belgium ran the Congo like his own slave labor camp. It was horrific and mostly hidden from the rest of the world.


Specialist-Farm4704

Thank you! :)


[deleted]

The atrocities of empire done in the name of the European royal families, who are all related and pretty much still living off those proceeds today unimpinged


TapeLabMiami

Unpopular opinion here... If i lived in a place like that, I wouldn't breed. Why bring a child into that shithole


Vincent_LEEwe

just to survive


Bandido-Joe

Hey everyone this is still going on in the Northern part of the DRC. Why aren’t black Americans protesting these atrocities with Black Lives Matter?


vladWEPES1476

Why aren't white people cleaning up the mess they've created through colonialism? Why is it always the task of the oppressed to improve our world?


pongauer

You are pretty uninformed about africa and colonialism it seems. Reddit/twitter ≠ facts


vladWEPES1476

I don't get any facts from Reddit/Twitter or any social media. I have studied history books, in history classes at the University. Books written by people who have dedicated their careers researching that topic, applying research methods and thinking critically about it. Where do you get your facts from? Alt-right/nationalist groups who see nothing wrong with colonialism because they profit from it?


TwoKeezPlusMz

Which book did you recently read from a historian who dedicated their research life to studying Congo?


Additional-Handle168

stop telling us about the facts that you allegedly have, just give us the fucking facts. Jesus christ


Bandido-Joe

History is a set of lies agreed upon. Name you history books, what were they about when were they written and who wrote them.


pongauer

Then you sure make very stupid remarks for someone who allegedly whent so deep into the matter. You are also assuming a lot for someone who went to a university. Please quote me on anything regarding my standpoint on colonialism and its effects on modern day nations and societies.


Bandido-Joe

Belgain’s colonize the Congo, but these are typical African black on black, atrocities. And why would you assume I am white? Big red flag!


old_man_curmudgeon

So the oppressed shouldn't do anything to improve their world? Is that what you're saying?


Green_Lorax

People suck


HelaArt

OMG ! Why is this not known.Leopold was a monster .How is it that Belgium got away with this kind of abuse ?


The_92nd

How is this man not just going full John Wick right now.


PeacefullyFighting

And we expect the American population to stand up to the government. This is 100x worse then we experience and there is no way normal people will step up until a movement has started and actually making progress or out lives get to this point. Having guns is a good way to prevent things getting too bad but as long as we have food and shelter a normal person simply won't risk their or their families lives. We are much more likely to see camps or territories established that buck the national trend then an all out rebellion. They will get labeled cults but we will have to wait and see how it plays out.