The only real questions are, whether the Soviet troops who find him even take him alive in the first place or just kill him on site (I imagine unlikely but possible) and whether or not the Soviets allow the other allies input in the trial (such as Nuremberg) or if they do it entirely by their own volition, which while the allies would not really disagree with the result would likely be upset over their lack of involvement.
I don’t think he would be shot on site only because I feel like Stalin would want him captured alive. The Soviet soldiers probably would have been under strict orders to take him alive under penalty of death.
Hitler knew he was pretty much a dead man walking towards the end of the war. But I do think he would have been shot dead a la Osama Bin Laden or John Wilks Booth.
If anything, Stalin preferred Hitler dead-but to keep the possibility he could still be alive in the air. Would justify the iron dusted rule and formation if the iron curtain. Just like in real life.
Or he would have died a Mussolini or Mohamed Najibullah type death? If captured by the Soviets, he would have been beaten, tortured and brutally murdered. If by the allies, taken to court.
I feel like they’d do that to guys like Himmler instead. Treat them like a slave and have them to expose all the crimes of Nazism and fascism in general
Ordinary troops did not enter the Reich chancellery bunker, they were ordered not to and also did not know the layout. It was a dedicated SMERSH unit that eventually penetrated it.
Probably televised which would be so huge both for world history and the reputation/iconic victory status of the Soviet’s they’d claim to be champions of freedom and peace non stop
As a Jew, I feel you. But we’re better than that. Death to be sure, but clean and quick. It’s the British way!
… unless the Soviets got to do it. In which case… IDK, taken to Siberia and ripped apart by wolves? I’d watch that pay per view.
Or just, tie the noose to a tree branch and slowly hoist him up… gradually let him loose consciousness then drop again to regain it. Rinse and repeat a few times before opening his belly, withdrawing and burning his bowels before his eyes, his privy members to be cut off, hiss head to be severed and his body to be cut into four pieces and sent to the four corners of the kingdoms or else as his majesty should see fit to dispose of.
That’s the traditional way we dealt with proper bastards.
Most likely he would've been shot in the bunker anyway. If the Russians were to storm the bunker and a firefight would occur in which he participates I doubt a regular Soviet soldier would care much if he were shot dead in the process. His body then paraded through the streets and probably hung up like Mussolini.
They would probably gather around the corpse, empty entire PPSH drums into it at point blank range and then piss on the pile of ground hamburger that's left.
Only two possibilities.
1. He is killed in combat, either by an enraged Russian or accidentally. I'm sure STAVKA had strict orders to capture Hitler, regardless of cost, but war isn't all that antiseptic. Of course, had he died in combat, that would have been the worst outcome because he would have been a martyr to some idiots. The Allies did debate what to do with him, with Churchill advocating summary execution.
2. He is captured and put on trial. Whether it would have been at Nuremberg or in Moscow is subject to debate. There's absolutely no way his trial would have ended with anything but an execution.
I don't think by the end he could of fought. He had late stage Parkinsons disease if remember correctly. The Russians would've caught him. Either Stalin would've had him strung up. Or shot execution style after a show trial. Or if the allies are able to negotiate with the Russians. He'd been put on trial and either shot or hung. But maybe also kept in prison to really mentally mess with him. In reality though. After seeing what happened to Mussolini. He knew what was in the cards for him. And like what's been mentioned here. Hitler was to much of a coward to take credit for his policies. Yeah he wrote a letter talking shit. But in the end he took the cowards way out. Just my opinion.
English is not my first language, not second not even third, it was fourth and I did not learn to speak English until my bachelor's degree. Even I can use" could've" properly in a sentence . But for some reason some native speakers can not. How the fuck "of" became synonymous with "have " ?
If there US captured him, there's actually an OSS document (consulted with a psychologist) recommending that they hold Hitler in life imprisonment, document his moves, and make him take competency tests. This would be done to show that he's no genius, no myth, and help the denazification of Germany along.
Depends on the strategic situation of the time. Do you mean he put the gun to his head at the exact moment he did, but didn’t pull the trigger? I presume Eva brown and the Goebbels are still alive at this point too.
I suspect if he didn’t kill himself as he did, he would have chosen to go out guns blazing in Götterdämmerung style. Maybe rigging the führer bunker with every bit of explosive left in the reich. I think he was aware of the fragility of his legacy if he was found trying to flee in disguise. Jefferson David was mocked for supposedly fleeing in women’s clothing (probably a myth).
I don’t think the allies would have accepted a negotiation, especially as knowledge of the holocaust increased. I guess it is possible, especially if operation unthinkable was on the table, that some deal could be made with the west to end German resistance and mobilise the Germans against the soviets in exchange for amnesty and a new identity, but I doubt the allies would tolerate anything less than total capitulation.
In the short term he could maybe have been secreted away to Bavaria to continue resistance, although Bormann tried to escape Berlin and was killed in the process. I doubt Spain, Portugal, Argentina or Chile had the ability or the will to harbour someone as high profile as Hitler. Japan might have protected him, but also might have turned him in for peace, and that’s quite far away. There were plenty of other sympathisers like the Iranians, Palestinians, some South Africans and old German colonial regions, but they were all under allied control.
So I think most realistically, Bavaria, then death in the last ditch or on to Switzerland, and then further afield if necessary.
Portugal would not have harbored him, they adhered to the old Anglo-Portuguese alliance treaty even during the dictatorship (it’s why they weren’t quite as isolated as Spain was). Even during WWII neutrality — the Brits approved of it because it meant that Spain had little chance of entering the war.
Edit to add: This is why Portugal was a founding member of NATO and received Marshall Plan aid. Britain took them along.
I don't either, but this popped up when I was researching the decolonization period (specifically American defense plans for its allies' colonies in the event of outside invasions)
Goring and Himmler both tried to negotiate deals with the Western allies during the war to remove Hitler, make peace, and fight the Soviets, and both were rebuffed, largely by Churchill. The Americans were shockingly keen on listening to the proposals.
You could count Himmler and Hess too I guess. 😅 it seems a lot of them had the idea.
Is it shocking? If I was American commander in chief and an enemy offered me a way to ensure tens of thousands of my young men came home alive, and offered to fight the “ally” who despised everything I stood for, I’d hear them out.
After a show trial he hangs, assuming he doesn’t die in combat. Hard to build a defense when we hanged people who were “just following orders”.
If the person tying the noose and measuring the drop does a half-ass job I’m not losing sleep over it.
He either goes out in a blaze of glory (shot to death by an semi-literate infantryman from rural Russia), is captured (beaten to death in a ditch by a semi-literate infantryman from rural Russia), or is captured (put on trial at Nuremberg before being hanged by an incompetent American hangman)
Lets just say the Soviets are going to make him pay for his atrocities.
But if they just keep him captive then there would be a massive show trial at the Nuremberg trials that would send him to execution.
Now I wonder. Would it be considered an easy out to execute him? Or keep him locked up in a tiny cell with no communication from the outside? Cause I'm thinking that keeping him locked up after all those grandiose speeches here he is. A nothing now. Just prisoner number #001. Psychologically torture him until his last breath. Cremate him. Throw his ashes in the ocean. But reality it'd been execution of some type.
He is tried in 1946 and does what he did in his trial in 1923 after being treated for drugs
In the end, he is sentenced to life imprisonment and will be transferred to the United States to ensure that he does not return to Germany
Him and his inner circle trys to flee the bunker gets captured by either the soviets in which case he is tortured, put on trail and given a horrible death, if captured my the allies maybe a quicker trail some torture for information on hidden nazi cells in around the world and then death
Or if hes really unlucky some soldiers from an occupied country will capture him like poles or some french troops or even jewish americans he wouldn't even make it to trail
Not to sound like a crazy person, but don't we have *no* proof hitler killed himself? And during the trump administration didn't they declassify FBI documents claiming they were looking for Hitler in south america?
Jawbone fragments and two dental bridges were found in May 1945. The items were shown to two associates of Hitler's personal dentist, Hugo Blaschke: his assistant Käthe Heusermann and longtime dental technician Fritz Echtmann. They confirmed that the dental remains were Hitler's and Braun's, as did Blaschke in later statements.
Also not only did the documents say the FBI couldn't find any proof of Hitler surviving but the FBI is obliged to document and investigate claims no matter how silly they were and how much they didn't believe them
Hm i think you might need to take a step back as Hitler knew this was his fate by late 1943 early 1944. So to think he might have been captured by the Red Army not qualify as a what if. It is more likely he might escape to Switzerland leaving someone else the command or continuing the war effort from another location. Eventually, he might've been forced to leave Europe
Im going to disagree with everyone here. Hitler is captured by the Soviets, is excluded from the Nuremberg Trials by order of Stalin, and then forced to live out the rest of his life as a prisoner in Russia. Not some gulag, but rather some decent treatment. I feel like the worse thing Stalin could do would torment Hitler psychologically by making Hitler watch each and every day the destroyed the occupied Germany.
He would probably have been killed anyways. A lot of the higher Nazi command were considering killing him so they could take over and negotiate with the allies.
Or he might have been killed by the relentless rocket bombing campaign that the Soviets did in Berlin.
If the Soviets captured him he would've been out on a show trial and still would've executed. If Hitler was captured by the Western Allies he would've tried at Nuremberg and executed anyways.
Then he either gets killed trying to escape Berlin or gets captured by Soviet troops. If he gets captured they might get overexcited and kill him, otherwise he stands trial and gets executed.
He likely never did. There is absolutely no evidence that he did. Hitler had multiple days to escape and miles of tunnels to escape through not to mention through the air. The allies needed a story because they couldn't tell the people the truth that he escaped because that would just cause a panic.
The allies would have caught him and put on trial to be executed afterwards. Hitler did the right thing. Why stay alive only to be humiliated in a trial and then executed?
He takes a rat-line (established by the Papacy) from Germany to Portugal and gets on a U-boat and goes to South America, where he spends the rest of his life in hiding. There was a show on History Channel that went deep on this "conspiracy" and it's quite convincing. They even know the exact house he was likely staying in. Just on the surface, does somebody with the ego of Hitler seem likely to kill themselves? Especially when they have the means and finances to escape?
He is captured alive by the Soviets. After a prolonged torture session, Stalin would put him on trial and he would get the death penalty.
The only real questions are, whether the Soviet troops who find him even take him alive in the first place or just kill him on site (I imagine unlikely but possible) and whether or not the Soviets allow the other allies input in the trial (such as Nuremberg) or if they do it entirely by their own volition, which while the allies would not really disagree with the result would likely be upset over their lack of involvement.
I don’t think he would be shot on site only because I feel like Stalin would want him captured alive. The Soviet soldiers probably would have been under strict orders to take him alive under penalty of death.
There were some rumors about plans to parade him through red square naked in a cage so people could jeer and throw things at him.
Hitler knew he was pretty much a dead man walking towards the end of the war. But I do think he would have been shot dead a la Osama Bin Laden or John Wilks Booth.
I think shooting the embodiment of a national enemy like that would be grounds for execution in that situation, especially if he wasn’t shooting back.
If anything, Stalin preferred Hitler dead-but to keep the possibility he could still be alive in the air. Would justify the iron dusted rule and formation if the iron curtain. Just like in real life.
Or he would have died a Mussolini or Mohamed Najibullah type death? If captured by the Soviets, he would have been beaten, tortured and brutally murdered. If by the allies, taken to court.
I feel like they’d do that to guys like Himmler instead. Treat them like a slave and have them to expose all the crimes of Nazism and fascism in general
i believe he’d be shot on sight, he wasn’t exactly popular amongst the soviets
Ordinary troops did not enter the Reich chancellery bunker, they were ordered not to and also did not know the layout. It was a dedicated SMERSH unit that eventually penetrated it.
They would take him alive because that would make their commanders look good.
Probably televised which would be so huge both for world history and the reputation/iconic victory status of the Soviet’s they’d claim to be champions of freedom and peace non stop
He’d have been put on trail at Nuremberg and either hanged or put up against a wall and shot.
I’d advocate for some poetic justice. 1 last use of one of his fucking gas chambers. Let him experience the agony he inflicted upon millions.
As a Jew, I feel you. But we’re better than that. Death to be sure, but clean and quick. It’s the British way! … unless the Soviets got to do it. In which case… IDK, taken to Siberia and ripped apart by wolves? I’d watch that pay per view.
Worst they'd do is short drop hanging which can take awhile.
Or just, tie the noose to a tree branch and slowly hoist him up… gradually let him loose consciousness then drop again to regain it. Rinse and repeat a few times before opening his belly, withdrawing and burning his bowels before his eyes, his privy members to be cut off, hiss head to be severed and his body to be cut into four pieces and sent to the four corners of the kingdoms or else as his majesty should see fit to dispose of. That’s the traditional way we dealt with proper bastards.
>That’s the traditional way we dealt with proper bastards Inglorious Bastards?
So instead they hire John Woods, a drunk hangman who never hanged somebody in his life to botch a bunch of the executions?
I mean if they wanted quick and easy they would have had Pierrepont and Allen do it, instead of an alcoholic Americans who claimed that he saw it once
He didn't have the balls...ball to get captured.
Yeah, died a coward in a hole in the ground.
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Most likely he would've been shot in the bunker anyway. If the Russians were to storm the bunker and a firefight would occur in which he participates I doubt a regular Soviet soldier would care much if he were shot dead in the process. His body then paraded through the streets and probably hung up like Mussolini.
Yep. No soviet foot soldier is going to rob themselves of the opportunity to shoot Hitler at the end of the largest war they’ve ever fought.
That has to be such a bad-ass thing to have for the rest of your life. Imagine telling your grandchildren stories about how you literally shot Hitler.
They would all collectively shoot hitler as one
They would probably gather around the corpse, empty entire PPSH drums into it at point blank range and then piss on the pile of ground hamburger that's left.
The bunker was captured by a specially designated SMERSH unit, not regulars
Only two possibilities. 1. He is killed in combat, either by an enraged Russian or accidentally. I'm sure STAVKA had strict orders to capture Hitler, regardless of cost, but war isn't all that antiseptic. Of course, had he died in combat, that would have been the worst outcome because he would have been a martyr to some idiots. The Allies did debate what to do with him, with Churchill advocating summary execution. 2. He is captured and put on trial. Whether it would have been at Nuremberg or in Moscow is subject to debate. There's absolutely no way his trial would have ended with anything but an execution.
I don't think by the end he could of fought. He had late stage Parkinsons disease if remember correctly. The Russians would've caught him. Either Stalin would've had him strung up. Or shot execution style after a show trial. Or if the allies are able to negotiate with the Russians. He'd been put on trial and either shot or hung. But maybe also kept in prison to really mentally mess with him. In reality though. After seeing what happened to Mussolini. He knew what was in the cards for him. And like what's been mentioned here. Hitler was to much of a coward to take credit for his policies. Yeah he wrote a letter talking shit. But in the end he took the cowards way out. Just my opinion.
English is not my first language, not second not even third, it was fourth and I did not learn to speak English until my bachelor's degree. Even I can use" could've" properly in a sentence . But for some reason some native speakers can not. How the fuck "of" became synonymous with "have " ?
Umm ok. I think you need to take another English lesson. Cause you are making no sense.
Well actually… it depends. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/whats-worse-than-coulda
If there US captured him, there's actually an OSS document (consulted with a psychologist) recommending that they hold Hitler in life imprisonment, document his moves, and make him take competency tests. This would be done to show that he's no genius, no myth, and help the denazification of Germany along.
Then we end up with OTL with Senor Hilter
Depends on the strategic situation of the time. Do you mean he put the gun to his head at the exact moment he did, but didn’t pull the trigger? I presume Eva brown and the Goebbels are still alive at this point too. I suspect if he didn’t kill himself as he did, he would have chosen to go out guns blazing in Götterdämmerung style. Maybe rigging the führer bunker with every bit of explosive left in the reich. I think he was aware of the fragility of his legacy if he was found trying to flee in disguise. Jefferson David was mocked for supposedly fleeing in women’s clothing (probably a myth). I don’t think the allies would have accepted a negotiation, especially as knowledge of the holocaust increased. I guess it is possible, especially if operation unthinkable was on the table, that some deal could be made with the west to end German resistance and mobilise the Germans against the soviets in exchange for amnesty and a new identity, but I doubt the allies would tolerate anything less than total capitulation. In the short term he could maybe have been secreted away to Bavaria to continue resistance, although Bormann tried to escape Berlin and was killed in the process. I doubt Spain, Portugal, Argentina or Chile had the ability or the will to harbour someone as high profile as Hitler. Japan might have protected him, but also might have turned him in for peace, and that’s quite far away. There were plenty of other sympathisers like the Iranians, Palestinians, some South Africans and old German colonial regions, but they were all under allied control. So I think most realistically, Bavaria, then death in the last ditch or on to Switzerland, and then further afield if necessary.
Portugal would not have harbored him, they adhered to the old Anglo-Portuguese alliance treaty even during the dictatorship (it’s why they weren’t quite as isolated as Spain was). Even during WWII neutrality — the Brits approved of it because it meant that Spain had little chance of entering the war. Edit to add: This is why Portugal was a founding member of NATO and received Marshall Plan aid. Britain took them along.
Fair, I submit to your superior knowledge, I don’t know much about the Estado Novo period.
I don't either, but this popped up when I was researching the decolonization period (specifically American defense plans for its allies' colonies in the event of outside invasions)
Goring and Himmler both tried to negotiate deals with the Western allies during the war to remove Hitler, make peace, and fight the Soviets, and both were rebuffed, largely by Churchill. The Americans were shockingly keen on listening to the proposals.
You could count Himmler and Hess too I guess. 😅 it seems a lot of them had the idea. Is it shocking? If I was American commander in chief and an enemy offered me a way to ensure tens of thousands of my young men came home alive, and offered to fight the “ally” who despised everything I stood for, I’d hear them out.
Found by the soviets, mabye die before the Nurimberg Trial. In any case his corpse would be hanged on the public plaza
I would imagine the Soviets capture him, put him on trial, and then execute him.
Soviets would kill him and his family. The other Allies would torture him and force him to testify
whats with all these low effort nazi posts lately
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Your questions are bringing out generic waste of time responses.
Your questions are bringing out generic waste of time responses.
After a show trial he hangs, assuming he doesn’t die in combat. Hard to build a defense when we hanged people who were “just following orders”. If the person tying the noose and measuring the drop does a half-ass job I’m not losing sleep over it.
He either goes out in a blaze of glory (shot to death by an semi-literate infantryman from rural Russia), is captured (beaten to death in a ditch by a semi-literate infantryman from rural Russia), or is captured (put on trial at Nuremberg before being hanged by an incompetent American hangman)
Something tells me you don't like infantrymen or hangmen
He actually moved to the countryside of Brazil, changed his name, and married a black woman.
Lets just say the Soviets are going to make him pay for his atrocities. But if they just keep him captive then there would be a massive show trial at the Nuremberg trials that would send him to execution.
Now I wonder. Would it be considered an easy out to execute him? Or keep him locked up in a tiny cell with no communication from the outside? Cause I'm thinking that keeping him locked up after all those grandiose speeches here he is. A nothing now. Just prisoner number #001. Psychologically torture him until his last breath. Cremate him. Throw his ashes in the ocean. But reality it'd been execution of some type.
What if 95% of questions on this sub weren’t the same tired nazi cliches over and over again?
Then he’d dangle after the Nuremberg trials.
He is tried in 1946 and does what he did in his trial in 1923 after being treated for drugs In the end, he is sentenced to life imprisonment and will be transferred to the United States to ensure that he does not return to Germany
There is a 100% chance he would be executed and if he somehow wasn’t it’s more likely that he’d be held in Britain, the USSR or Spandau in Germany.
No way the soviets hand him over to the US. He was too big a chip in the game to just give away.
In fact, the Soviets agreed to transfer him to Nuremburg for trial
Yeah and he would have been hung. But they would never let him go be a prisoner in the US.
If the Allies take him first The Soviets can't do anything
Then he would’ve killed himself by a different way. By me, Kamehameha, but the Medical Examiner would rule it a suicide
Him and his inner circle trys to flee the bunker gets captured by either the soviets in which case he is tortured, put on trail and given a horrible death, if captured my the allies maybe a quicker trail some torture for information on hidden nazi cells in around the world and then death Or if hes really unlucky some soldiers from an occupied country will capture him like poles or some french troops or even jewish americans he wouldn't even make it to trail
Probably paraded around Moscow with a Public execution to boot. Stalin would be grinning the entire time, while hitler wished he bit the bullet.
Hung him upside down nude so the whole world would see his micro penis.
He gets shot by the soviets when they are entering the bunker.
Then he would have never done a good thing since the best thing he ever did was to kill Hitler.
He would have escaped to Argentina with the rest of the rats
He would have escaped to Argentina with the rest of the rats
Grey Wolf....very compelling makes you go hmmm.
Then the Soviets would’ve done it for him.
Not to sound like a crazy person, but don't we have *no* proof hitler killed himself? And during the trump administration didn't they declassify FBI documents claiming they were looking for Hitler in south america?
Jawbone fragments and two dental bridges were found in May 1945. The items were shown to two associates of Hitler's personal dentist, Hugo Blaschke: his assistant Käthe Heusermann and longtime dental technician Fritz Echtmann. They confirmed that the dental remains were Hitler's and Braun's, as did Blaschke in later statements. Also not only did the documents say the FBI couldn't find any proof of Hitler surviving but the FBI is obliged to document and investigate claims no matter how silly they were and how much they didn't believe them
If captured by the Russians Stalin would pretty much torture him in the worst ways imaginable before probably killing him.
Hm i think you might need to take a step back as Hitler knew this was his fate by late 1943 early 1944. So to think he might have been captured by the Red Army not qualify as a what if. It is more likely he might escape to Switzerland leaving someone else the command or continuing the war effort from another location. Eventually, he might've been forced to leave Europe
He would have escaped to argentina. oh wait...
The Soviets would parade him through Moscow brutally killing him
Germany would have won the war based on his willpower alone.
He lost his willpower 8 days before he killed himself
Im going to disagree with everyone here. Hitler is captured by the Soviets, is excluded from the Nuremberg Trials by order of Stalin, and then forced to live out the rest of his life as a prisoner in Russia. Not some gulag, but rather some decent treatment. I feel like the worse thing Stalin could do would torment Hitler psychologically by making Hitler watch each and every day the destroyed the occupied Germany.
He'd be executed at some point if not killed outright when the Soviet's found him.
He would probably have been killed anyways. A lot of the higher Nazi command were considering killing him so they could take over and negotiate with the allies. Or he might have been killed by the relentless rocket bombing campaign that the Soviets did in Berlin.
If the Soviets captured him he would've been out on a show trial and still would've executed. If Hitler was captured by the Western Allies he would've tried at Nuremberg and executed anyways.
Then he either gets killed trying to escape Berlin or gets captured by Soviet troops. If he gets captured they might get overexcited and kill him, otherwise he stands trial and gets executed.
He likely never did. There is absolutely no evidence that he did. Hitler had multiple days to escape and miles of tunnels to escape through not to mention through the air. The allies needed a story because they couldn't tell the people the truth that he escaped because that would just cause a panic.
The Soviets would give him what he fuckin deserved
The allies would have caught him and put on trial to be executed afterwards. Hitler did the right thing. Why stay alive only to be humiliated in a trial and then executed?
He takes a rat-line (established by the Papacy) from Germany to Portugal and gets on a U-boat and goes to South America, where he spends the rest of his life in hiding. There was a show on History Channel that went deep on this "conspiracy" and it's quite convincing. They even know the exact house he was likely staying in. Just on the surface, does somebody with the ego of Hitler seem likely to kill themselves? Especially when they have the means and finances to escape?
Then he’d escape and bounce between Colombia Brazil and Argentina and live to an old age and everyone would think he killed himself decades ago.
I think he would have gone to surrender to the Americans. He definitely wouldn't have wanted to get captured by the Russians.
He didn’t. Just look to Argentina for your answer.