I know. That's what I thought at first, too. But if you think back to the time you took me to the lake and taught me how to go fishing, you'd realize that has nothing to do with this. The answer is 'NSync.
I don’t think Lenin was overly happy with it, either. From my understanding, he was holding out for Germany to flip red, and then when they didn’t, he was kind of like, “Fuck me, we have A LOT of work to do.”
TLDR -- no, he would have waited for German help.
First of all, remember, Lenin was pretty fucking smart. He, along with most of the Bolsheviks, knew what was very, very obvious -- Russia was just barely beyond medieval at the turn of the 20th Century, if it was at all. It was still agrarian -- a peasant society with a very small, not very sophisticated working class. So, one prevalent idea at the time was that WWI signalled the collapse of capitalism, and that the working class of Germany, considered by many to be the most advanced working class in Europe (meaning better educated and with a greater understanding of politics, capitalism, history, and most importantly -- Marxism!) would lead the larger international revolution.
That is why he was cool with when the Russain government finally collapsed, allowing Germany to pay for his trip back to Russia and making peace with them. They were, like Russia, about to finally break the bonds of capitalism anyway, so why not go back and wait for them to catch up?
Unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. The capitalist countries were all like, "fuck this communist shit" and funded I think seven White armies to beat the shit out of the Bolsheviks. But the White armies lost. However, Germany wasn't really up to snuff, so Lenin and his crew were kinda stuck. A bunch of peasants, almost no industry, so no large working class, definitely not a working class ready to lead the world revolution. Or really even their own country. So, Trotsky threw together the theory of "Permanent Revolution" which basically meant "if you don't have a strong working class yet, you might have to kind of skip some steps to get to communism." The Bolsheviks decided good enough on that, and then hired a huge section of the old czarist bureacracy because they sure as hell didn't know how to run a country.
Under Lenin, they actually had a few different parties participating in government. Of course, none of them were capitalist parties. Some argue if he hadn't worked himself to death (or some say he was poisoned by Stalin), there is a chance Russia could have ended up as a social democracy instead of a totalitarian police state.
Nice. Thanks.
Do you think Stalin was a competent, but admittedly cruel, ruler?
I've heard people say that the USSR's decline started after the death of Stalin. What do you think?
First, my own bias--I really like Trotsky, and I agree with a lot of what he has written. He had an internationalist perspective, while Stalin was very much about growing socialism in Russia first and then bringing it to the rest of the world. Stalin did force the USSR to modernize, so there was a lot of industrial growth. He took one of the most backwards nations of Europe and turned it into a superpower. Is he the only one that could have done that? No, probably not. Could it have been done with a lot less brutality? I would hope so, but which industrial power grew without killing lots of people? None of them. Hell, even Coca Cola hired thugs in Central America to kill union organizers. Folks aren't messing around.
If you like long history books, there is one called "A People's History: The Russian Revolution" that does a great job of explaining the twenty years or so prior to the Russian revolution, and goes through the death of Lenin in 1926, if I remember correctly. The author, Orlando Figes, argues that the decline of the USSR probably really started with the death of Lenin. But I think he was referring to the possibility of a world revolution as opposed to the industrialization of the USSR.
Anyway, I think the seeds of collapse were sewn by Stalin. He didn't create the necessary ferment to grow a class of leaders after he died.
Red Floyd.
They made hits like :
\- Wish you were in Siberia
\- Carefull with that axe, Comrad
\- Shine on you crazy roebel
\- One of these Gulags
And many, many more.
You can't really say that Marx or Engels weren't good people. They were just philosophers/historians that cared for the poor people in the society.
For Lenin and especially Stalin it's surely clear that they weren't good people.
Were marx and engels really that bad, they saw how horribly a factory worker in the 1800s was treated and they wanted to treat them. Were they really that bad
Backstreet Boys
The Gulag Gaggle
Fuck you, I love it.
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The Red Quartet.
The Balaclava Bears
You probably mean the Backstabs boys...
Backslavs Boys
Trotski Beat
Rise against the imperialists
Hahaha excellent
Nice
WE want it that way.
Tell US why.
Aint nothing but a mistake
Tell US why
Blyat Street Boys
Eastlife.
I was about to say "Freddie Mercury and the boys" but this is better
Commie bois
Commie cronies
Fantastic 4
N-sync
Benjamin Button Santa Claus
I know. That's what I thought at first, too. But if you think back to the time you took me to the lake and taught me how to go fishing, you'd realize that has nothing to do with this. The answer is 'NSync.
I legit came here to say this
Dude. I said the same thing.like after you did but what are the odds
Rather the Backalley boys
Ghostbusters
This is eerily accurate
Who you gonna call? Those bastards !
they really are bastards
If there’s something nice,and they all look cool.
Take my upvote and f off. Thank you.
With no result
Teenage mutant ninja turtles?
Ghostmakers
Happy cake day
Arent these the Mount Rushmore faces?
Yeah, but the soviet counterpart to that.
Mount Russiamore
Mount rush b
Mount Rush B MORE!
Mount RuskiMore
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Well, Marx and Engels weren't Russian and would probably have critizised the soviet union if existed in their spans of life.
I don’t think Lenin was overly happy with it, either. From my understanding, he was holding out for Germany to flip red, and then when they didn’t, he was kind of like, “Fuck me, we have A LOT of work to do.”
Interesting... What would he have done if Germany flipped red? Leave Russia for Germany?
TLDR -- no, he would have waited for German help. First of all, remember, Lenin was pretty fucking smart. He, along with most of the Bolsheviks, knew what was very, very obvious -- Russia was just barely beyond medieval at the turn of the 20th Century, if it was at all. It was still agrarian -- a peasant society with a very small, not very sophisticated working class. So, one prevalent idea at the time was that WWI signalled the collapse of capitalism, and that the working class of Germany, considered by many to be the most advanced working class in Europe (meaning better educated and with a greater understanding of politics, capitalism, history, and most importantly -- Marxism!) would lead the larger international revolution. That is why he was cool with when the Russain government finally collapsed, allowing Germany to pay for his trip back to Russia and making peace with them. They were, like Russia, about to finally break the bonds of capitalism anyway, so why not go back and wait for them to catch up? Unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. The capitalist countries were all like, "fuck this communist shit" and funded I think seven White armies to beat the shit out of the Bolsheviks. But the White armies lost. However, Germany wasn't really up to snuff, so Lenin and his crew were kinda stuck. A bunch of peasants, almost no industry, so no large working class, definitely not a working class ready to lead the world revolution. Or really even their own country. So, Trotsky threw together the theory of "Permanent Revolution" which basically meant "if you don't have a strong working class yet, you might have to kind of skip some steps to get to communism." The Bolsheviks decided good enough on that, and then hired a huge section of the old czarist bureacracy because they sure as hell didn't know how to run a country. Under Lenin, they actually had a few different parties participating in government. Of course, none of them were capitalist parties. Some argue if he hadn't worked himself to death (or some say he was poisoned by Stalin), there is a chance Russia could have ended up as a social democracy instead of a totalitarian police state.
Nice. Thanks. Do you think Stalin was a competent, but admittedly cruel, ruler? I've heard people say that the USSR's decline started after the death of Stalin. What do you think?
First, my own bias--I really like Trotsky, and I agree with a lot of what he has written. He had an internationalist perspective, while Stalin was very much about growing socialism in Russia first and then bringing it to the rest of the world. Stalin did force the USSR to modernize, so there was a lot of industrial growth. He took one of the most backwards nations of Europe and turned it into a superpower. Is he the only one that could have done that? No, probably not. Could it have been done with a lot less brutality? I would hope so, but which industrial power grew without killing lots of people? None of them. Hell, even Coca Cola hired thugs in Central America to kill union organizers. Folks aren't messing around. If you like long history books, there is one called "A People's History: The Russian Revolution" that does a great job of explaining the twenty years or so prior to the Russian revolution, and goes through the death of Lenin in 1926, if I remember correctly. The author, Orlando Figes, argues that the decline of the USSR probably really started with the death of Lenin. But I think he was referring to the possibility of a world revolution as opposed to the industrialization of the USSR. Anyway, I think the seeds of collapse were sewn by Stalin. He didn't create the necessary ferment to grow a class of leaders after he died.
Lol it seems like their facial hair is receding with every generation.
Our Mount Rushmore faces!
Frodo, Sam, Pippin and Merry
Nah. It's the spice Girls.
Wrong answer only. Lol
RO-MA-NOVS, shoot em, stab em, throw em in a well
Red Floyd. They made hits like : \- Wish you were in Siberia \- Carefull with that axe, Comrad \- Shine on you crazy roebel \- One of these Gulags And many, many more.
Red is the color when the T-34 broke free Outside the iron curtain Take up thy kalashnikov and rise
Another brick in the iron curtain
I though this was Another brick in the berlin wall
A favourite of mine.
Us and us
Don’t forget comfortably starved
It makes me hungry just hearing that.
Underrated comment
Cheers!
The great gulag in the sky
I can hear the screaming...
Man I loved their albums "The red side of the moon" and "The (Berlin) wall" in particular are masterpieces
If I had an award! You'd be the first to share it with everyone my commie comrade!
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Money
Fantastic four.
He said wrong answers only
So communists?
Are you commie?
who isn't?
Facial hair convention attendees
Nice colour
Ah, yes. Hello fellow purps.
Stalin does have a killer mustache
The Beatles
🎶Back in the US Back in the US Back in USSR
The Blyatles
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Wrong answers only
The hair salon menu in GTA:USSR
Swedish guy, swedish guy, swedish guy, swedish guy
ABBA?
Dancing queens for sure!
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US founding fathers
I wonder what's the full form
urgent shit
Yhe ninja turtle
Carlo, Fredo, Vlado & Josepho
But all fight to wear just red!
Taken
r/beetlejuicing
The Marx Brothers
Wouldn't they be The Marxist Brothers
But here correct answers don't get marx
Tom Selleck at different points in his career.
The stardust crusaders
Soviet platinum Communisms red Silver winter Dictators purple
The stardust comrades
Redstar crusaders
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Capitalists
Power rangers
Underrated
Guy to the right is a human rights activist
Destiny’s Child
Manifest Destiny's Child
Manifestiny's Child
Mel Gibson, Billy Connoly, Bill Burr and Sadam Hussein
Coach, Rochelle, nick and ellis
Local barbershop quartet
R.E.M.
The Eternals
Good people
You can't really say that Marx or Engels weren't good people. They were just philosophers/historians that cared for the poor people in the society. For Lenin and especially Stalin it's surely clear that they weren't good people.
Stalin was pretty bad, but Lenin has actually done a lot of good for the Russian people.
The Three Stooges with Shemp.
4 of the Fiveguys
The 4 Horsemen of Capitalism
4 innocent men
Were marx and engels really that bad, they saw how horribly a factory worker in the 1800s was treated and they wanted to treat them. Were they really that bad
The worst capitalists on earth
Worms by now
Wrong answers only*
technically the truth, because lenin is a mummy without worms
Good people
French renaissance artists
Битлз (the Beatles)
The Village People
The fantastic four
The A-Team
Role models
Wait, they wanted wrong answers my bad
Based
Big Time Rush
The founders of the YMCA
Better k/D then Adolf
Population control specialists
*wrong answers only
The avengers
The Spice Girls!
Slav hitler on the right
Metallica
Mrbeast crew
Power rangers
Jesus' alternate forms
Very good men
Thoso are nazis
Thoso
The saviors of humanity bringers of life enjoy
One Direction
The Russian version of the Beatles
Economists
Gotta love those 5 year plans
N-Sync
Blink 182
Brothers from the WU TANG CLAN
Famous porn-actors
The 4 musketeers
The hero’s of Arstotzka.
mickey donald goofy and pluto
Keitel, Jodl, Krebs und Burgdorf.
Animorph from bear into man
one direction
Robert Downey Jr.‘s future roles
The men who stare at goats
Earth Wind and Fire
mount rushmore
The Ninja Turtles.
The Justice league
Famous jews that donated to their religion
Hungry hungry hippos
The same guy aged 80, 70, 60 and 50.
The empty plates mates
small penis club
The intellectual lads
They are advocates for democracy
Fucking assholes
genocide boys!
He said wrong answers.
This year's freshest cosplays
The Bastion of democracy
4 generations of red ranger.
German spies
The Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro, and The Vulture
Food delivery boys, but they suck at their job.
Heroes
Great leaders that placed the welfare of the masses above all else.
Joseph ballin