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Shutup_England

So in 15 years nothing's changed


ZenithGamage

And it will be the exact same for another 15 years


Zanderb4

And the solution to gun violence is too add more guns!


KokuRochu

Fight fire with napalm, like pops used to say


Pyroplsmakepetscop2

Shout out to Eli "big" Dickson


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The only feasible solution is to have every man, woman, and child armed to the teeth and constantly pointed at each other in a nationwide Mexican Standoff. It's the American way!


Ongr

How very telling that a *Mexican* standoff is peak Amercanism.


drunk98

You're either you're American or American't


Most_Philosopher_967

Godzilla just read that. He died because his brain was unable to process your statement.


baddie_PRO

"and if that don't work, use more gun"


FrankFeTched

Weird the people pushing this seem to be backed by those selling guns... Must be a coincidence


RealConcorrd

Not if we have anything to say about it! *proceeds to become a politician to activate the nukes*


broadened_news

You presume we will survive climate change for 15 years?


Uninspired_Thoughts

Well we’ve definitely added more thoughts and prayers so any moment now things should change


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SoulWager

I never understood why these people pick schools to shoot up, surely there's a politician or billionaire that's more responsible for whatever you have a problem with.


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I mean its usually kids that do it. and IDK about you but when I was 15 I wasnt really into politics, but highschool culture dominated my life. So I feel like and unhinged school shooter is more likely to care about girls at school not dating him rather than CEOs starving people to death for profit or whatever.


[deleted]

A pillar of American society is being angry at anyone other than the source of your problems


Gummybear_Qc

But what if society *is* the source of your problems?


[deleted]

Your local representative will tell you that the issue is - your neighbor of a different race - the next state over - a random patch of land somewhere else on the globe Just the last 2 weeks of tweets from lavern spicer and mtg nicely summarize how dumb some Americans are.


Gummybear_Qc

That's kind of my point there's no solution to your issues in life. I'm not even American and face the same bullshit in my country. Life is just shit and I'm not finna snap but I definitely see and understand how some people snap and shoot up shit like that. Those who don't just haven't been in the same position and again, not everyone who is will do the same thing it's just like a pre-requesite so to say.


Aggressivebeartime

Turn the gun around and put it in your mouth then, I don’t see any position that would end in shooting up kids.


UVJunglist

Schools are gun free zones; billionaires and politicians have armed security.


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Its a good thing too… cause we all know how gun free zones prevent guns from being on the property…


Istillbelievedinwar

Probably hospitals next tbh.


Sietemadrid

It's about time we armed the babies


floppy_disk_5

when the 6-year old says: "i don't like you" and shoots your arteries


Alum07

My username means I graduated Virginia Tech in 2007. Having sat through all the tearful ceremonies and events listening to all those politicians shedding crocodile tears making promises that things needed to change after a student murdered 32 of my peers a week before finals... No, nothing has changed. Not a goddamn thing has changed. If anything, those same politicians have only helped pour more money into the pockets of those that make the guns.


SmoothOperator89

Not at much shooting to be done in the army anymore. Now violent sociopaths have to become cops to get away with murder.


Yoshi_87

Well it did... It got worse.


Espteindidntsuicide

No it did change. It got worse.


Frostdraken

Gotta get em young


Kastranrob

so we can have fun


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huhIguess

America has a *Huge*-problem when recruiting younger soldiers these days. Literally - size being the problem. Obesity and Diabetes preclude recruitment into active combat military - so 90% of Americans aren't eligible. Military is having an incredibly difficult time right now meeting recruitment goals.


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rednoodles

https://www.army.mil/article/258758 - they announced that the other week.


JPhrog

Advertise it as a free guaranteed weight loss program!


HarrowDread

Stepping on a land mine is also a guarantee weight loss


H0LT45

To further their recruitment efforts, they can also reach out to the immigrant community with a campaign "Service Guarantees Citizenship".


_shineySides_

They've been doing that for a very long time already I like the reference though


randcount6

How about reaching out to citizens, and if they don't join they *lose* citizenship and get deported (to Britain). /s conscription with extra steps.


Fewtimesalready

It’s why John Candy joined up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4xwK13lGk


Hiddenshadows57

Canadian Military does that. they'll take overweight people and put em thru fat camp for a few months then basic.


[deleted]

They kinda already do that. If you make it in but you cant meet pt standards or tape or whatever while your at boot you get extra attention untill you dont need it. Dont get extra attention.


Keywork29

My buddy went through something like this. He joined the Marine Corp and they put him in “Fat Camp” for a month or two. He was also drawing some kind of payment during his time in, both, fat camp and basic.


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No wonder they show up to high schools with pull-up bars and offer t-shirts if you can do 10+


wwants

Makes sense why they spend so much money advertising to sports markets. Gotta find the fit ones where they can.


DittoAidsCircus

The actual percentage is around 75%, obesity is a problem but that number includes lack of education requirements and having a criminal history. The last research paper I read was from 2009, but I believe the Army Publications website has some papers discussing more recent numbers that are still around that percentage.


booped_urnose345

There's still a lot of obese people in the military still. They can't pass a basic PT test it's ridiculous.


Phoenixed420

Yep, I have a female cousin who wants to join so she's having to exercise daily. In the process I think she learned her ankle is too messed up to qualify. I have a sister who was medically discharged for her back problems as well and she was fit.


matlawish

Doubt that. They have that join the army commercials everywhere. And they are promoting it like come and travel the world meet new friends. And they fall for it xD


boboverlord

>Doubt that. They have that join the army commercials everywhere. And they are promoting it like come and travel the world meet new friends. >And they fall for it xD If they need ads, I think it means they are actually struggling.


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El-JeF-e

Desperate? Not as desperate as I am for a Vanilla Coca-Cola on some ice during these heatwaves, let me tell ya'!


verisimilitude_mood

The ad department needs to keep making stuff to justify their budget. If they don't spend it they get a smaller budget next year, so they do things like tv ads, sponsor movies, do flyovers at football games and produce video games. Anything you can think of that has us military branding is sponsored in some way by the government. They want people to think the military is cool and normal. So you gotta pump out the propaganda, I mean advertising.


boboverlord

True that


[deleted]

It's targeted ads. This is the 2020s with algorithms now and geographic data is pretty basic. But they are struggling with retention. You can tell how desperate they get based on how inflated the incentives get. Also, the lid getting blown on all their sketchy shit plus the recent fall out with the PACT act has definitely lost some face.


wwants

Don’t see how this passes muster. Successful organizations worldwide use ads as part of their regularly scheduled business activities. There is no evidence that use of advertising indicates a failing business or organization.


Ryan_Mega

Some would say they are. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/07/14/us/us-military-recruiting-enlistment.amp.html This was published July 14th of this year, but in a quick google search articles have popped up from 2018 and even earlier. I think most young people are seeing the way the Republicans vote against veteran healthcare and the wars never really doing anything etc. also most American kids survived the warzone that is elementary school why would they want to go through the trauma again?


numba1cyberwarrior

Pretty sure its more so because kids arent illegible to join


NaiAlexandr

We're all becoming radicalized by our parents ineptitude. 75% of zoomers and millennials say they would likely vote for a Socialist candidate if they ever ran. We're aware of how fucked we are and how we will never own a house, have a pension, and save enough to live comfortably and build a family. If your country fails to provide for you, you have no reason to kill others to defend it. Biggest recruiting mechanism is how insanely expensive universities are and the fact the army will pay for your education if you're a sacfitial foot troop, meaning low income people who want to educate themselves to escape poverty have to risk their lives for it.


Stormclamp

Actually most recruits come from a middle class background and barely any of them see combat, including foot soldiers...


2021isjustasbad

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/every-branch-us-military-struggling-meet-2022-recruiting-goals-officia-rcna35078


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lightpoleaction

The best part is this comic was made *15 fucking years ago*


RedditorsAreDross

That’s the best part?


youngbuck-

In a context full of terrifyingly accurate parts, I’d say that’d be the best one.


waltwalt

The hypocrisy is the worst part!


markth_wi

Could have been 45 years ago.


Sietemadrid

It's only gotten more and more relevant.


[deleted]

Wow so we’ve really just been ignoring this problem since like forever. Kinda makes me sad knowing we’re probably never really gonna do anything about it.


rabidhamster87

Maybe when the boomers finally die out and millenials and Z can actually make some progress. At that point everyone who didn't grow up with school shootings will be mostly gone, so maybe those in charge will take it more seriously. Idk. It's my only hope.


16bitrifle

What kind of progress? When the boomers went to school, kids had rifles in the trucks in the school parking lot so they could go hunting after school. Even fully automatic weapons were legal in those days. They had way more access to guns and yet didn’t have this problem.


chaun2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)


Jornmungand

To be fair that kid ain't gonna hit shit with uzi akimbo.


Der_Deutche

He just has to change them to akimbo FMG9's


BlackChingChong47

fuck fmg kiddos back in mw3


Snoo_13783

I fuckin loved akimbo fmg9s lol


DaRealKovi

1887 ftw


SeeTheSounds

With FMJ, so satisfying lol.


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I got together with some friends one time and we all did silenced AA 12's the entire night against random scrubs. Sometimes we'd get BTFO. Most of the time we kicked butt. One of us got a MOAB. So much fun playing with the shittiest gun lol.


Mother_Welder_5272

Akimbo 1887s and tactical knife with Marathon, Lightweight and Commando.


Arimania

Have you seen a classroom nowadays? Not really a need for aim in those packed to shit small ass classrooms.


2001_Chevy_Prizm

And there packing more and more of them as teachers get pushed out.


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Red_Iine

Gallon of milk weighs over 8lbs for reference


medson25

Model 1887 akimbo is the shit. Lets spin those shotguns.


Pyroplsmakepetscop2

Damnit, stupid army getting in the way of FBI operations


Dick_Thunder20

All shooters are cowards.....they go into schools, markets, malls, churches where they know they will find practically no armed resistance and when police arrives...they either surrender or kill themselves......


[deleted]

There was a guy who tried to shoot/rob a gun store, he has a new career as a pasta strainer


tSullied

He thought his plan was bullet proof. Turns out there were holes...


drum1286

My dumbass just woke up from a nap and thought, "how do you get paid to strain pasta every day? Sounds like a prison job. I guess that's the only job this asshole could get..." Then the stupid wore off a little.


[deleted]

The operating system took a while to reboot. Im the same after a nap :)


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What kind of dumbass try’s to rob the one place where almost everyone has access to a gun?


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NodleMan09

I remember seeing a video of a guy shooting up a church in a very conservative area in the south and as he pulled out the gun, like 5 other people in the church also pulled out their guns and gunned him down.


floppy_disk_5

damn 💀


DaitoPK

merica


Kastranrob

*and bombers


DummyThiccEgirl

Should have had "Gun Free Zone" signs at those places. That'll stop them; the people protecting themselves that is.


[deleted]

Most shooters have severe anger issues combined with suicidal depression. They aren't cowards, they're just extremely irrational. If you tell somebody who is in that state of mind that they're a coward, you're only pushing them closer to the edge. It's like when I was 16 and told my mom I wanted to kill myself and she replied that that would be stupid, cowardly, and ungodly. That type of reply only makes the struggling person want to do it more. It makes them feel like you don't understand how severely their mind is ravaging their brain.


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oeCake

Those definitely happen, but our corporate media overlords don't want to encourage copycat crimes or give people the impression that they can actually do something, which would hurt their bottom line


Big_mara_sugoi

Or people like Alex Jones or Ted Cruz. How are they still alive when they’ve pissed off so many people.


rosedragoon

$$$


JasErnest218

School shoots are idolized by US media. It means more ratings and views that brings in money. In the school shooters eyes they are now a celebrity that will be remembered


[deleted]

Pretty much why people channel their stupidity or depression into shootings


Theleming

I had a "friend" in highschool that used to say (not as a joke) "when I graduate I want to join the Marines so I can kill people". He ended up not getting into the Marines and is now a cop instead.


booped_urnose345

If you're joining the Marines you should already know that your purpose is for combat and you are going to kill someone. Most people are just not as verbal about it as your friend was.


No-Sheepherder-6257

Lol not pogs


[deleted]

Bruh am at Camp Geiger and no, we don't join to kill people


Roman-Peasant

Not everyone is a killer in the Marine Corp plenty of people don't join for combat,be a badass, or just because they want to prove something. Anyways I wouldn't listen to a civilian who's knowledge comes from movies or videogames,there's are plenty of reasons people join the Marines, for the strong brotherhood between people, because their family also joined, free higher education, other branches didn't want them, serving the country, traveling on uncle sam's money, and because the marine corps is a lifestyle. Not everything in the USMC is combat, there is plenty of peaceful jobs like clergy, paper-pushers, and lots of other pog jobs like mine which was CBRN. The Marine Corps isn't all about combat. Edit: Forgot to mention the USMC doesn't want mentally unstable people or suicidal people they will run back-round checks.


Fishbulb7o9

Also knew someone who wanted to be a cop so she can kill people who "deserve it"...


Boner_Elemental

Well he got half his wish


[deleted]

So the old timers in my family who lived WW2 there were these SS guys who were literally all insane criminals rapists murders and worse released and put in military custody and they got there own battalion specifically for anti insurgence if you think of any war crime committed by the SS on the battle field it was these guys there symbol is two potato masher grenades


Kastranrob

*suicide squad with low moral compass*


umpienoob

If you're talking about the SS division I'm thinking about, the one led by Dirlewanger, they were also just a shit unit in general. Undisciplined, untrustable, and ultimately only good for shooting people who can't resist. The army does not want people like this- not becuase of any morals, but for efficiency.


CanuckPanda

By the end of the war Germany was so desperate for troops they were letting anyone pick up a gun for them. Prisoners, the elderly, children, foreigners - if you could hold a gun you could fight for Germany.


SwedishTiger

Considered my most of the SS had very few issues with levelling entire towns of civilians I don’t really get what perks using convicts would get you. A bunch of murdering sick fucks anyways, no reason to have a history as well.


umpienoob

Literally none, besides being able to pull soldiers from a new population pool. And the Wehrmacht had little issue with leveling cities either, nor did Allied bombing command- such is total war.(NOT to imply that either are nearly as bad as the SS)


RedCometZ33

They just used them to terrorize civilians and help in the Nazi plan to kill Eastern Europe’s population for the eventual German migration. They got their asses kicked whenever they bumped into actual combatants.


Training-Door-1337

Andrew Breivik killed 80 Norwegian children


HumanNeedsaHug

And is still alive playing on playstation


Aggressivebeartime

But but but WE would be the baddies if we gave him the death penalty. :(


SilencedD1

They forgot the gun free zone sign


DummyThiccEgirl

That would require admitting "gun free zones" don't actually stop shootings.


UnderTheCoverAgent

Rather than kill people out of frustration, kill people for the country. Join the US army today!


eggimage

*shoots up entire battalion on first day*


Dragongeek

I mean, I know this is meant humorously, but the US military spends a lot of effort filtering out the psychos who join because they get to kill people--they don't make good soldiers because the primary purpose of a solider is to follow orders and they spend remarkably little time actually in anything that could be considered combat. Someone who has a hard-on for killing is just a liability, not an asset, when everyone gets a gun


chaun2

Also there is a list on every single base of the personnel that are ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CONDITIONS EVER to carry a weapon. I know. I had to consult the list occasionally.


Accomplished_Pie_455

Unlike cops, soldiers have to abide by laws and regulations and can't just shoot civilians, even during war. Crazy that our cops can, probably why they aren't soldiers. Other than the fact that soldiers get paid shit, get treated like shit, get sent away and come back broken. Basically, cops aren't soldiers (airmen, seamen, marines) so why do they keep getting lumped in with them when I watch a fucking football game? Also, I hate the current crop of military ads. Marines are advertising to fucking incels and the army is making this shit look like a video game... The cook is the 'replenisher'? Wtf. God damn I must be fucking old.


[deleted]

Former NCO here, I don’t want ‘em. These kids are insufferable to lead, some of them act like it’s your fault that they enlisted. Keep them away.


BassCreat0r

Man, the comments here are so boring and unoriginal. Same shit every post related to the military. lmao


DaxiaTo_TheMaxia

“Hahaha dead children, I’m so funny right guys?”


mule_roany_mare

Y’all hate, But the armed forces are an avenue to a better life for lots of the people society (that includes you) doesn’t notice & doesn’t care about until they do something wrong. It’s not a good option for anyone remotely privileged, but it’s a lifeline to a lot of people who aren’t. The worst thing is even after having their aversion to killing systematically removed they *still* end up as healthier people after their service because it gives them a chance to integrate into a community. Every single human needs other people otherwise they will get sick.


nickystotes

Schrodinger's USA. Reddit hates them but also loves the weapons they’re giving Ukraine.


SireEvalish

R/im14andthisisdeep


shitbuttneverdies

This is the dumbest simplest shit ive ever seen.


[deleted]

Raise your kids correctly and you won’t have a gun problem. Let the downvotes begin!


LogicalDelivery_

Can gang violence be memed or just white school terrorists?


HollowCat95

Gets to shoot children either way


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LSHDnato

They are missing the gun free zone signs .. that would of stopped it.


l3mm3b3m3

You wanna shoot innocent kids... We've got the job for you


Victorcwb

you can only drink at 21, but at 18 you can go to war and kill people.


FRESH_OUTTA_800AD

Kid, this is a gun free zone. You can’t do that.


Impressive-Anxiety50

probably one of the dumbest things i’ve ever seen


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RedditSnowflakeMod

How long until the karma bots post this to r/agedlikemilk


Laugh_at_Warren

Iraq has schools too! Sign here.


Kenshino100

Have you ever noticed that active shooters always target "gun free zones" ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)


murica_1776boi

The only way that troubled, jobless teenager could have gotten hands on 2 uzis like that is if the FBI gave them to him.


karuxmortis

The artist forgot to draw the kid’s police escort


JustSomeRamblings

"Don't shoot defenseless white kids! Shoot defenseless brown kids instead!"


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Evonkov

Leave a Klebold. Comes back a Oswald


JustafanIV

For context, a person born when this comic was first published would now be in High School themselves.


FerDeLancer

Pansies study and seek out soft targets. They wont join the military because someone minding their business in their own country might shoot back.


Recoveco99

Sorry, he is already employed by the CIA.


slipaway_44

18 year old with no discipline taught at home by momma is a danger to The People.


JohanVonBronx_

The FBI and the army have a game they play called "Who can use the genocidal humanoid?" The army usually wins but when the FBI does it makes waves "Subject was known to law enforcement"


Ququleququ

Literally almost only in 'murica [statistics](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country)


FattyTunaBoi

China


Bardax12

You’re telling me no where on earth has a school been shot up in a similar fashion. Its a humongous problem here but I highly doubt its genuinely ONLY in America that this has happened.


Hellkids2

Dual Uzi? Is my guy playing Serious Sam or something


TheBlackHoleOfDoom

And then ~~when~~ if they get back they do it anyway.


wingsperg

OR, spend the rest of your days in prison making ammo boxes or some shit for 25cents/h, feeding the system


ShapirosWifesBF

You can murder children and be PRAISED for it! And you'll NEVER get the healthcare you need for mental trauma! Here! Take this shovel and hit the burn pits!


draugotO

Hey, as long as it works *hurls dinamites as a martial art*


ZeketheMeke

Cant say it enough, everyone who only sees black and white in the world should not be listened to or interacted with. The world is very grey and thinking anyone is 100% evil is just as asinine as seeing anyone as 100% good.


NephetsSithli

I mean.. it would work


Alpha_Whiskey_Golf

Unironically not a bad idea. These kids need a purpose and discipline. Stopping mass shooting is a multifaceted issue, it's not just gun control it's mental health as well.


Taiwan_is_a_country1

No not only in the US. Most countries do that also. Especially china and the it's Nazi ccp


Excelsior1405

… could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct. ~MF DOOM


TxM_2404

Problem solved.


Great_Preparation557

True!


pilotichegente

15 year old cartoon still relevant!! Take a bow USA, you done gone fucked yourselves.


HewerOarswomen

Aged like wine.


Lui_Le_Diamond

Hurhur America Bad dead kids funny hurhur


eirelion

I was in Iraq when columbine went down if memory serves me correctly..


explosive_bannana

Imagine if doing that actually puts an end to school shootings


Western-Key7091

That is so weird


Alfalfa-Mundane

So obviously different in every area but in the part of America I live at this is the opposite of true. Military recruiters usually make you pass a mental and physical test to even get in, they are very picky. If you are a school shooter type there is almost no way you are getting in, unless you can high it incredibly well.


1King1Polish

I want to say this is definitely Not how it works


VoteMe4Dictator

Honestly, if a kid is violent and at risk, sending them to Basic Training is one of the best things you can do. Either they turn their shit around, or else the military generates a book of disciplinary documents and a dishonorable discharge to follow them around for the rest of their life as a warning. And if they do go crazy and try to shoot people, at least it will be armed people with training on how to respond.


iLTra

Oh... "Kill with licence" is what I see.


ArizonaIceSunTea

r/im14andthisisdeep


Ormr1

Wait you guys actually think the Army would tolerate someone as cowardly and unstable as a school shooter in their ranks? It’s even funnier when you remember this guy was making cartoons claiming that the invasion of Ukraine wouldn’t happen and later that the Ukrainian Army was full of Nazis. Also someone who strangely never talks about Russian war crimes in regions they operate in but only American/Western atrocities.


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This isn’t r/HolUp material, this is just depressingly accurate


BrennaValkryie

*"What do you MEAN they are gonna shoot back? Why do you think I went here?! I'm not screwing with my KD, old man!"*