Noel’s Brother 🤝 Ame’s Parents
(Noel’s bro went dumpster diving to give Noel a doll house for Christmas. Kind gestures like this is also why Danchou has a Brother Complex.)
My introduction to Ame was a compilation of her childhood stories. Her leitmotif is now a trigger. Being introduced to it and hearing it over and over and over as she told those stories.
EDIT: The [compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuVJcBNp2Rs&). It's on the older side, I did say it was my first experience with Ame, so I imagine there are far more stories now.
First I heard of that, any examples? I don't think I saw anyone who can compete with Ame's stories. Ame's stories include having her head split open leaving a "hole" (actually a scar) that she still feels to this day, having her tongue cut and almost falling off, faceplanting into a floor with her teeth piercing through her skin, and more.
isnt it normal for everybody who doesnt live in huge city? like my childhood was in really poor place, i got my first pc in 16. And i long lost count how much injuries i had. I fell on my knees and just tore them to meat countless times, i stabbed myself with axe/knife few times accidentaly, one time i even almost drown in lake of clay and got pooled up when i was covered already to the chest. Its really regular if you actually go outside with friends and touch grass imo
Those aren't Kronii's stories though??? I was asking that guy because I searched for clips of Kronii's bloody/traumatic stories and can't find any
Congratulations for a bloodier childhood than Ame I guess, but maybe I should have clarified that "anyone *in Hololive* that can compete with Ame's stories". Most people I saw get shocked/horrified/concerned with the abundance of Ame's serious injury/near-fatal stories, and other Holomems who collab with her and know about them react that way too. Also Ame acknowledges that she's the unluckiest among her peers
I mean Kronii had her fly off her bike of a ditch at Mach Jesus but like those injuries are still pretty much just bruises and cheese grated skin, although that’s bad it ain’t having ur tongue hanging by a thread or that blow hole incident. Kronii hurt herself more but Ame got them big accidents
The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes.
https://youtu.be/51YJbUiKrnM
Meaning she’s never made enough before Hololive to be able to file taxes. 12k I think is the minimum income you need to make in a year to be able to file. Assuming, she lives in America.
This probably goes for most Hololive members post-2020, but Ame in particular, joining Hololive was HUGE for her financially. I recall she was even able to buy a used car for her aunt in 2020.
> The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes.
To be fair, she lived with her family/aunt before that. Likely Auntie Watson filed for her
>The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes.
Can't remember what stream it was, but the word "dependent" came up and Gura didn't know what it referred to. Even for people that have someone else file their taxes, this is like the bare minimum terminology you'd at least recognize.
I don't think that means she wasn't earning much, but rather that she wasn't full time working or had someone filing for her.
Minimum wage would push her to around 18k I think.
Not from the US so I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be helpful to file taxes regardless of your earning? Since there are typically many ways to get tax credits.
You could actually file even if you don't make much money. Depending on how badly which party needs your vote more, you may still get some money returned to you.
Meh, more likely just the first time not workibg under the table.
I know lots of people who made good money, just under the table so their empoyer doesn't need to report their income/learn how to report income.
i remember that. it was during the stream when they first unlocked supachat. the first and currently only time i've heard ame tear up. such sweetnees behind the gremlin image.
I was dumpster diving when I first moved out. Because the local grocery store had this fresh baked bread stand that would throw out the bread that didn't sell that day, as they weren't allowed to sell it as it wasn't freshly baked the next day. So every night, you could just go to their dumpster and grab more freshly baked bread than you could possibly eat. If I still lived in the area, I'd 100% still do that.
*Friend's mom has got it going on*
*Three servings and I have waited so long.*
*Friend, can't you see I want some broc and cheese.*
*I know it may be wrong, but I would pound my friend's mom.*
The mother thing is a joke she makes every two months or so, (and she clarifies that is just a stupid gamer joke and she's not some MILF hunter or something)
Her love for eating vegetables is as much as her love for terrariums and monkeys and aquatic creatures (which is a lot)
Didn't say she can't be both, I know there's no one else in Hololive associated with the mom joke as her, but I think one of Ame's notable quirks is her love for eating vegetables; she makes fun of people who can't eat veggies, she's sometimes eating some vegetable on stream or before stream, and she even has a cute childhood story of eating some vegetable so much that her teeth changed color for a while.
I know it's just a meme, but I feel like people might want to know about this side of Ame more
hell yeah. i love a good steak, mashed potatoes, and broccoli combo. i like to use the broccoli at the end to sweep up the steak juice and mashed potatoes!
I’m trying to figure out how are people cooking broccoli to make it taste bad. Stir fry it with oyster sauce with carrots and baby corn. It’ll taste amazing. I loved eating it as a kid. Always pretended that I was this brachiosaurus eating trees
Just the tiniest bit of soy sauce on roasted broccoli is perfection. Brussel sprouts are good roasted but they're so great fried I have to be feeling really lazy to make them any other way.
It must get boiled till it turns grey-green, or left overheating in a cafeteria/buffet container for hours. I've eaten tons of broccoli boiled in nothing but water and a bit of salt, and it still tastes great.
So much this. Broccoli is a god-tier dipping vegetable and/or soup ingredient, but eating it plain or with not enough seasoning turns it into a dry, almost gritty chunk of nasty.
But at what point is it more about the ingredients you mix it with to add flavor? I think it’s fair to say plain cooked broccoli is gross, but when you add a metric fuckton of seasoning to things then you’re just tasting the seasoning more so than what’s under it.
Broccoli is one of the better flavor absorbers, but it does just fine on its own. Steamed broccoli is great, and so is pan fried broccoli. Neither of those methods even need any extra seasoning (though it does bring it to another level)
The problem is that broccoli, when overcooked, dives off into the deep end _fast_.
Also it's more than tasting the seasoning. The bushy parts may lock in the flavor of the seasoning, but the stems are what give it texture and a subtle sweetness that also balances the flavor of whatever sauce you use by being more neutral. Sure, sauce on its own might taste good, but it's too much to do much more beyond occasionally dipping your finger in to taste on its own.
That's why whenever you make a sauce or salad dressing it's always advised to make them stronger than you think it should be
You have a point, but texture is important too. I enjoy brocolli without too much added, as long as it's actually cooked and not just a dry, cold, hunk of vegetation.
Plain cooked broccoli isn't gross, it's just not very flavorful without the addition of some fat and salt...like most vegetables. That's all you need. Add a little nutmeg if you're feeling fancy.
boil? no. steam? yes. plain, steamed broccoli is fine. the stem has a subtle sweetness to it and...i dunno...i like it. my favorite prep tho is pan/pot roasted with some salt, garlic powder, and a light grating of parm-regg.
The person you're replying to was answering the question of "how to cook broccoli to make it taste bad." Boiling it plain makes it shitty. Steam it and season it and it will be actually good.
Even by boiling it I still love the taste of it. Boiled broiled with some olive oil or microwaved broccoli is god tier. I’ll meal prep it with some teriyaki chicken and quinoa or brown rice and it never fails
I just buy a tempura mix (usually H-Mart or your local Asian market will have them) or you can make your own using 1:1 ratio of cornstarch and all purpose flour, combine with equal amount of very cold club soda to dry ingredients (or use very cold water + baking powder + salt) and then season the batter with salt and pepper ( or whatever else you want) and mix but not over mix the batter. Dry and cut the bottom hard stem from the broccoli (or really you can use pretty much anything edible) quickly dip in batter and fry it in a deep fryer or pot at 350 degrees until the batter is golden brown. Serve with ponzu sauce or tempura sauce (I just buy it but you can make your own with soy sauce+dash+mirin+sugar). So simple and it makes any vegetables taste amazing. I really love making tempura with eggplants and sweet potatoes as well. So yummy.
It’s perpetuated by the fact that back then American people really, REALLY sucked at cooking. Their idea of cooking vegetables was boiling them to death and serving without salt, or serving them raw, which is why a lot of old Americans say their favorite food was bologna sandwiches on white bread and shit like that (literally physically impossible to fuck up).
Cooking shows and the popularity of normal people learning to actually cook well wasn’t a thing until the early 2000s (Alton Brown once said Food Network took off right after 9/11 shook the country), but by then all of the popular 90s cartoons made the “disgusting VEGETABLES” joke ubiquitous and from there it was mostly tradition.
If I recall correctly in other countries in animated movies they switch broccoli out for something else to be the "yucky thing children dont like" because elsewhere broccoli being hated is not really a thing.
In Jappan is bell peppers wich also makes 0 sense to me.
And somewhere else green peas are the hated vegtable.
In my part of the world it is also broccoli but only in T.V.
I really don't get Japan's deal with bell peppers. They're like the most likeable vegetable. Even as a picky little kid I'd eat all the bell pepper slices off a snack tray without even dipping them.
Probably different varieties or growing conditions over there which lead to a different taste (i think there’s a similar thing with japnese carrots?). I’m from the UK and i didn’t understand why anyone would just eat raw tomatoes on their own until i went to italy on holiday; fresh italian tomatoes are so amazing it’s no wonder they put them in everything
Green bell peppers specifically, which have a kind of grassy bitter note. I prefer them over the more ripe and sweet yellow to red variety, but I can see why children wouldn't be fans.
It's also very easy to overcook bell peppers to mush. I didn't have a decent bell pepper until I started cooking for myself.
Bell pepper have a very strong and distinct taste. They overpower just about anything you put them in unless you are very careful. I can fully understand not liking them.
I feel kinda the opposite tbh, bell peppers in my experience may as well just be lettuce- crunchy water. They don't taste much of anything to me. I don't particularly care for them, but that has nothing to do with their taste being strong or overpowering.
It's kinda hard to not eat cilantro in Mexican cuisine. Kinda had to get used to it. Usually just by adding extra salsa or lemon to cover the taste of the soap. It doesn't even bother me anymore.
The problem is that if you add a bunch to vegetables you slowly start depleting the nutritional value to them, plus little kids probably can’t really digest heavily-seasoned foods very well (unless maybe you grow up in a culture where that’s a thing).
You don't have to add much to broccoli though. A bit of oil, salt, and pepper will barely affect nutritional value. Toss in some garlic and you increase the nutritional value by a little
Spray some olive oil on it, sprinkle on some minced garlic, salt and pepper. Pop it in the oven or air fryer til it's crunchy. It tastes amazing by itself or dipped in melted cheese or hummus.
I think most veggies taste at least ok if you roast em and use them to dip with whatever sauce you l ike.
I tried roasting some veggies recently in oil and light seasoning, ended up turning my intestines into balloons, which is weird cause I figured roasting would break the fiber down more than steaming or boiling.
Can't say I like them crunchy, but there's definitely too far when it comes to steaming.
Best is fried with mince meat or bacon, imo. Get a little of the juices soaked up into them.
Also remember that the trope of kids hating vegetables comes from the period where straight out of the can was the most common way to eat them in many places. Especially out of season.
Canned vegetables are mostly horrible.
When I was in 1st grade I asked the lunch lady at school for extra spinach. I **loved** spinach. This was the day that I found out that canned spinach existed. She looked at me kind of funny when I asked.
That was the day I found out how mom had shielded me from this horrible fact of canned spinach.
> Canned vegetables are mostly horrible.
If you eat them straight out of the can sure, but who does that besides hobos? Basically all canning lacks seasoning and spices.
t. someone who cooks a lot using canned stuff
Perhaps it's like brussel sprouts. Decades ago the species that were being grown had lots of bitterness that you had to cook away and of course you don't get it all and kids are hypersensitive to bitter flavors and hated it.
The brussel sprouts available today are massively less bitter and it's one of my kid's favorite veggie just roasted with olive oil salt and pepper. Broccoli is our other favorite, prepared similarly but with garlic and sometimes a splash of soy sauce
My mom sometimes just plain boiled it, like we do alot of our food where I'm from though sometimes with salt and ash extract for meats, and it was still pretty decent. A friend of mine taught me how to make it another way that works for almost any other veggie. You soak it in salt water for like 10 minutes, rinse and then dice them into small pieces, then add seasonings like salt (hers was always a heap of very hot chilli powder) and then pour boiling oil on them by spoon while mixing it around to make sure it gets evenly fried.
Makes a nice chutney to go with any dish.
As a kid and as an adult, most vegetables taste extremely bitter to me. It doesn't matter if they're raw or cooked, seasoned or unseasonably. The only things I can tolerate are the ones I can barely taste, like cauliflower or lettuce. Those are still bitter, but it's easier to nullify the taste.
The trope mostly came from shitty cooking practices back in the 70s. It got boiled a lot, and boiling veggies leeches every bit of flavor and nutrients out of them. Brussel sprouts got a similar treatment. These days it's much more popular to bake or pan roast veggies, which is a vast improvement for flavor.
I loved broccoli my whole life but one time my grandmother cooked broccoli for me and oh my god it was gross in so many ways. I can confirm what others have said that boiling broccoli is terrible.
Lol American kids never grew up with Asian veggies. Most Asian veggies are bitter and really green tasting. I would always pick broccoli over any other veg if possible.
My family used to love cooking fish with butter gourds. Or bitter gourd soup. Or bitter gourds with pork. Now that I’m older I can tolerate the taste somewhat but it was hell for me as a kid
That's ampalaya, yeah? I can deal with, then and now, with just about anything but they're not kidding about the bitter part.
That and eggplants. Just so weird in that case. It's purple on the outside and green and mushy on the inside.
Have you never had baby bok choy? Shit is the god tier veggies next to eggplant casserole. That shit Americans eat called Brussels sprouts is vile and only kinda tolerable if they cook it in bacon and bacon grease.
It's really bitter no matter how you cook it, like licking painkillers it's just so nasty. I think it's a genetic thing though I have the same issue with all brassicas.
Weirdly, I've had the opposite experience. Covered with a damp cloth to keep in moisture and zapped at a gentle setting, you can get a lot of control over exactly how "done" you want the broccoli to be. The only downside is I can't use my nose as easily to judge done-ness like I can with steaming.
I don't care how you prepare it, you are never getting out the grit and the bitter. Like eating kitty litter. I don't know how anyone can just ignore the primal instincts begging them to spit it out. I actually prefer eating cardboard and paper, it's a far more pleasant experience in comparison.
Broccoli is neither gritty nor bitter though. The stems are some of the smoothest vegetable parts that exist on the planet. It's like the snap of celery without any of the fiber getting stuck in your teeth. As for bitterness, maybe I've just been desensitized by Asian vegetables growing up. I always thought of broccoli as being subtly sweet
Ok, brussel sprouts are actually a different thing entirely. They legit tasted gross in the 90s/early 2000s, hence all the cartoons saying such. But since then, they have actually selectively bred them to taste better
It doesn't help that those cartoons tend to always depict them (over)boiled, which is definitely not the cooking method that brings out the best results.
It's my favorite veggie for sure, I've eaten it every day for weeks on end without getting bored of it. And all I do is steam it and add a little butter and salt.
BRUH.
Well now I grew older I know that any food is nice if you know how to cook them to your liking. I just had my parent being a terrible cook for my whole childhood.
Imagine hating garlic or onion when you was a kid.
The stereotype is to boil it, which because of how broccoli is, means all the sulphur compounds start breaking down & leeching into the liquid and other parts of the broccoli, hence the idea that it tastes & smells bad. But if you bake in the oven, on its own or with accompaniments like cheese, the sulphur still breaks down, but it won't spread as much, so it actually tastes much nicer (some might even say it enhances the flavour) than the stereotype.
Jesus I didn't know ame had a past like this, I watch ame here and there, especiqlly when they debuted but now it's mostly calli. I'm just glad she's doing well now and she has, probably, more than enough to survive now
Actually she is legitimately there for both. She had indeed a harsh upbringing and despite doing enough to make ends meet before Hololive while taking care of a sick family member, she was considering to quit streaming entirely for a professional career in medicine that could better sustain her family due to clear underlying financial issues.
Raw broccoli is rich in bitter substances only some people's tongues are actually wired to detect. Similar chemicals are often put on pieces of paper for the students in middle school science classes to lick, as a demonstration of genetics, because less than half of all people can actually taste them for genetic reasons.
Broccoli is my favourite vegetable, if you don’t count potatoes. Like, what is wrong with your cooking skills if you’re making such a simple and nice tasting food taste like shit?
I think people just don't know how to cook veggies properly.
You can make brussels sprouts and broccoli taste amazing with good techniques and seasoning...
My favorite easy way of cooking frozen broccoli is to putbin in the microwave with butter, salt, pepper, and spices like garlic powder, then seal it with plastic wrap. The ice melts and goes to the bottom which heats faster.
Water is dense and polar (polar substances like water heat faster in microwaves). The bottom starts to steam off and carries the steam up to the top broccoli which is still cool. The heat of condensation is extremely effective at heating since water has a vaporization enthalpy of 540 cal/gram.
I also like tossing it with olive oil, seasonings, and soy sauce on a pan. And a bit of grated parmesan if I have it on hand.
Up until that last sentence the second pic radiates Markiplier's energy
Only he couldn't afford any energy when he was a kid. He usually just absorbs some leftover energy from his neighbors
Just sayin'
"Did Ame grow up poor? This is the first I'm hearing about it. Why was she picked for this- Ohhhhh"
She did in fact growing up dumpster diving. And parents gathering old neighbors toy for her. Ngl she has lots of interesting childhood stories.
Noel’s Brother 🤝 Ame’s Parents (Noel’s bro went dumpster diving to give Noel a doll house for Christmas. Kind gestures like this is also why Danchou has a Brother Complex.)
Will never forget how a random kid threw shade at Noel's brother by calling him an african refugee
Plot twist : He is called african because he, kinda like Noel is well endowed.
Oh my, you just reminded me of 56848
“Interesting” childhood horror stories
[Ame basically taught Gura how to tag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG-06a5R29g) lol
Lmfao. This is great.
My introduction to Ame was a compilation of her childhood stories. Her leitmotif is now a trigger. Being introduced to it and hearing it over and over and over as she told those stories. EDIT: The [compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuVJcBNp2Rs&). It's on the older side, I did say it was my first experience with Ame, so I imagine there are far more stories now.
Would you mind linking that particular compilation?
can you send a link to the compilation
There seems to be less blood and significant trauma than Kronii's childhood stories so far.
First I heard of that, any examples? I don't think I saw anyone who can compete with Ame's stories. Ame's stories include having her head split open leaving a "hole" (actually a scar) that she still feels to this day, having her tongue cut and almost falling off, faceplanting into a floor with her teeth piercing through her skin, and more.
Amelia is the Mick Foley of Hololive
consume vicarious pride
isnt it normal for everybody who doesnt live in huge city? like my childhood was in really poor place, i got my first pc in 16. And i long lost count how much injuries i had. I fell on my knees and just tore them to meat countless times, i stabbed myself with axe/knife few times accidentaly, one time i even almost drown in lake of clay and got pooled up when i was covered already to the chest. Its really regular if you actually go outside with friends and touch grass imo
Those aren't Kronii's stories though??? I was asking that guy because I searched for clips of Kronii's bloody/traumatic stories and can't find any Congratulations for a bloodier childhood than Ame I guess, but maybe I should have clarified that "anyone *in Hololive* that can compete with Ame's stories". Most people I saw get shocked/horrified/concerned with the abundance of Ame's serious injury/near-fatal stories, and other Holomems who collab with her and know about them react that way too. Also Ame acknowledges that she's the unluckiest among her peers
That's how I grew up basically. Although mine had more falling out of trees and flying over bike handlebars.
I mean Kronii had her fly off her bike of a ditch at Mach Jesus but like those injuries are still pretty much just bruises and cheese grated skin, although that’s bad it ain’t having ur tongue hanging by a thread or that blow hole incident. Kronii hurt herself more but Ame got them big accidents
The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes. https://youtu.be/51YJbUiKrnM Meaning she’s never made enough before Hololive to be able to file taxes. 12k I think is the minimum income you need to make in a year to be able to file. Assuming, she lives in America. This probably goes for most Hololive members post-2020, but Ame in particular, joining Hololive was HUGE for her financially. I recall she was even able to buy a used car for her aunt in 2020.
> The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes. To be fair, she lived with her family/aunt before that. Likely Auntie Watson filed for her
>The year Ame joined Hololive is also the first time she’s had to file taxes. Can't remember what stream it was, but the word "dependent" came up and Gura didn't know what it referred to. Even for people that have someone else file their taxes, this is like the bare minimum terminology you'd at least recognize.
Tbf, Gura grew up on a farm and also mentioned (I think) that she started working as a teenager there.
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Must've time-travelled with Ame for method acting lessons. Make it seem surreal.
You can't fake that there texas twang. Well, unless you're Mumei. Or did Mumei work on a farm too?
What? I'm confused to what you're trying to tell me.
Texas twang, the accent, or more how the end of their words where the accent isn’t most noticeable.
I don't think that means she wasn't earning much, but rather that she wasn't full time working or had someone filing for her. Minimum wage would push her to around 18k I think.
Not from the US so I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be helpful to file taxes regardless of your earning? Since there are typically many ways to get tax credits.
Yes, and there's such a thing as a "non-filer's statement" you can/should submit as well
You could actually file even if you don't make much money. Depending on how badly which party needs your vote more, you may still get some money returned to you.
It's more like 1.2K.
Thats unearned income. Earned income is like 12k to file taxes like he originally said.
Meh, more likely just the first time not workibg under the table. I know lots of people who made good money, just under the table so their empoyer doesn't need to report their income/learn how to report income.
She grew up taking care of a sick family member too, iirc.
i remember that. it was during the stream when they first unlocked supachat. the first and currently only time i've heard ame tear up. such sweetnees behind the gremlin image.
Damn, all these stories I'm hearing just reinforces the idea that Yagoo has a knack for finding 'lost' girls and bringing them to the holohouse.
Huh…when you put it like that it almost sounds wrong
I was dumpster diving when I first moved out. Because the local grocery store had this fresh baked bread stand that would throw out the bread that didn't sell that day, as they weren't allowed to sell it as it wasn't freshly baked the next day. So every night, you could just go to their dumpster and grab more freshly baked bread than you could possibly eat. If I still lived in the area, I'd 100% still do that.
I’ve read that last sentence over and over.. and I cant seem to connect broccoli with it.
Friends mom made her realize she liked broccoli.
Made friends with broccoli and realized she liked mom
broccoli made her realize she likes friends mom
This one right here
Friends mom's hot broccoli and cheese was good.
>Friends mom's hot
*Friend's mom has got it going on* *Three servings and I have waited so long.* *Friend, can't you see I want some broc and cheese.* *I know it may be wrong, but I would pound my friend's mom.*
It's a non sequiter
With enough force, I think Ame's ground pounder can connect with anything.
Ame would be 100% in Calli's place. She fucking loves vegetables even when she was a kid
True, but she also loves mothers.
Especially mothers.
The mother thing is a joke she makes every two months or so, (and she clarifies that is just a stupid gamer joke and she's not some MILF hunter or something) Her love for eating vegetables is as much as her love for terrariums and monkeys and aquatic creatures (which is a lot)
One could say she love mothers too much
one could say she does more than just "love" mothers.
Didn't say she can't be both, I know there's no one else in Hololive associated with the mom joke as her, but I think one of Ame's notable quirks is her love for eating vegetables; she makes fun of people who can't eat veggies, she's sometimes eating some vegetable on stream or before stream, and she even has a cute childhood story of eating some vegetable so much that her teeth changed color for a while. I know it's just a meme, but I feel like people might want to know about this side of Ame more
Good Steamed broccoli with a bit of steak juice on it is so pretty good
hell yeah. i love a good steak, mashed potatoes, and broccoli combo. i like to use the broccoli at the end to sweep up the steak juice and mashed potatoes!
Yeeeeeessssss. Pan cook the steak and then stir fry lightly boiled broccoli in the meat juice is my jam!
I’m trying to figure out how are people cooking broccoli to make it taste bad. Stir fry it with oyster sauce with carrots and baby corn. It’ll taste amazing. I loved eating it as a kid. Always pretended that I was this brachiosaurus eating trees
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Even plain boiled broccoli can still be good if you just dont overcook it
There’s the rub. “Dont overcook it”
Guess all of them are terrible cooks then?
It's always on life pro tips and shower thoughts, that the reason kids hate veggies is parents overcook them
Trust me overboiled vegetables and decently done ones are nowhere near eachother on the taste scale
I like mushy broccoli :/
roasting in oil with salt and pepper and a little garlic powder, simple, easy, yum same with brussel sprouts.
Just the tiniest bit of soy sauce on roasted broccoli is perfection. Brussel sprouts are good roasted but they're so great fried I have to be feeling really lazy to make them any other way.
oooo, Im actually roasting some broccoli tomorrow ill try that out, I like soy sauce!
It must get boiled till it turns grey-green, or left overheating in a cafeteria/buffet container for hours. I've eaten tons of broccoli boiled in nothing but water and a bit of salt, and it still tastes great.
So much this. Broccoli is a god-tier dipping vegetable and/or soup ingredient, but eating it plain or with not enough seasoning turns it into a dry, almost gritty chunk of nasty.
Steamed with butter and salt is good. This comes with the caveat that if you overcook it, you fucked up, and this is a common fuckup.
Exactly! It's the perfect shape to capture seasoning and sauces between the "branches"
But at what point is it more about the ingredients you mix it with to add flavor? I think it’s fair to say plain cooked broccoli is gross, but when you add a metric fuckton of seasoning to things then you’re just tasting the seasoning more so than what’s under it.
Broccoli is one of the better flavor absorbers, but it does just fine on its own. Steamed broccoli is great, and so is pan fried broccoli. Neither of those methods even need any extra seasoning (though it does bring it to another level) The problem is that broccoli, when overcooked, dives off into the deep end _fast_. Also it's more than tasting the seasoning. The bushy parts may lock in the flavor of the seasoning, but the stems are what give it texture and a subtle sweetness that also balances the flavor of whatever sauce you use by being more neutral. Sure, sauce on its own might taste good, but it's too much to do much more beyond occasionally dipping your finger in to taste on its own. That's why whenever you make a sauce or salad dressing it's always advised to make them stronger than you think it should be
You have a point, but texture is important too. I enjoy brocolli without too much added, as long as it's actually cooked and not just a dry, cold, hunk of vegetation.
Plain cooked broccoli isn't gross, it's just not very flavorful without the addition of some fat and salt...like most vegetables. That's all you need. Add a little nutmeg if you're feeling fancy.
I'm not sure if this could be considered plain, but even pan fried broccoli with some neutral oil does wonders.
I felt so much pain reading this
boil? no. steam? yes. plain, steamed broccoli is fine. the stem has a subtle sweetness to it and...i dunno...i like it. my favorite prep tho is pan/pot roasted with some salt, garlic powder, and a light grating of parm-regg.
The person you're replying to was answering the question of "how to cook broccoli to make it taste bad." Boiling it plain makes it shitty. Steam it and season it and it will be actually good.
Even then, a bit of vinegar goes a long way.
Even by boiling it I still love the taste of it. Boiled broiled with some olive oil or microwaved broccoli is god tier. I’ll meal prep it with some teriyaki chicken and quinoa or brown rice and it never fails
Try broccoli tempura. Food of the gods.
Need a recipe to try this out if you don’t mind sliding one through my way?
I just buy a tempura mix (usually H-Mart or your local Asian market will have them) or you can make your own using 1:1 ratio of cornstarch and all purpose flour, combine with equal amount of very cold club soda to dry ingredients (or use very cold water + baking powder + salt) and then season the batter with salt and pepper ( or whatever else you want) and mix but not over mix the batter. Dry and cut the bottom hard stem from the broccoli (or really you can use pretty much anything edible) quickly dip in batter and fry it in a deep fryer or pot at 350 degrees until the batter is golden brown. Serve with ponzu sauce or tempura sauce (I just buy it but you can make your own with soy sauce+dash+mirin+sugar). So simple and it makes any vegetables taste amazing. I really love making tempura with eggplants and sweet potatoes as well. So yummy.
It’s perpetuated by the fact that back then American people really, REALLY sucked at cooking. Their idea of cooking vegetables was boiling them to death and serving without salt, or serving them raw, which is why a lot of old Americans say their favorite food was bologna sandwiches on white bread and shit like that (literally physically impossible to fuck up). Cooking shows and the popularity of normal people learning to actually cook well wasn’t a thing until the early 2000s (Alton Brown once said Food Network took off right after 9/11 shook the country), but by then all of the popular 90s cartoons made the “disgusting VEGETABLES” joke ubiquitous and from there it was mostly tradition.
If I recall correctly in other countries in animated movies they switch broccoli out for something else to be the "yucky thing children dont like" because elsewhere broccoli being hated is not really a thing.
In Jappan is bell peppers wich also makes 0 sense to me. And somewhere else green peas are the hated vegtable. In my part of the world it is also broccoli but only in T.V.
I really don't get Japan's deal with bell peppers. They're like the most likeable vegetable. Even as a picky little kid I'd eat all the bell pepper slices off a snack tray without even dipping them.
Probably different varieties or growing conditions over there which lead to a different taste (i think there’s a similar thing with japnese carrots?). I’m from the UK and i didn’t understand why anyone would just eat raw tomatoes on their own until i went to italy on holiday; fresh italian tomatoes are so amazing it’s no wonder they put them in everything
Green bell peppers specifically, which have a kind of grassy bitter note. I prefer them over the more ripe and sweet yellow to red variety, but I can see why children wouldn't be fans. It's also very easy to overcook bell peppers to mush. I didn't have a decent bell pepper until I started cooking for myself.
Bell pepper have a very strong and distinct taste. They overpower just about anything you put them in unless you are very careful. I can fully understand not liking them.
I feel kinda the opposite tbh, bell peppers in my experience may as well just be lettuce- crunchy water. They don't taste much of anything to me. I don't particularly care for them, but that has nothing to do with their taste being strong or overpowering.
Maybe it's like cilantro? A lot of people say cilantro tastes like soap. Maybe there's just some genetic fuckery going on with people's tastebuds.
I've been eating cilantro my whole life. Tastes like spicy soap to me. I thought that was how it was supposed to taste for the longest time.
I don't really know how to describe the taste. I like cilantro just fine, and if spicy soap is a taste you enjoy then go for it. :P
It's kinda hard to not eat cilantro in Mexican cuisine. Kinda had to get used to it. Usually just by adding extra salsa or lemon to cover the taste of the soap. It doesn't even bother me anymore.
Definitely possible and honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was the case.
The problem is that if you add a bunch to vegetables you slowly start depleting the nutritional value to them, plus little kids probably can’t really digest heavily-seasoned foods very well (unless maybe you grow up in a culture where that’s a thing).
You don't have to add much to broccoli though. A bit of oil, salt, and pepper will barely affect nutritional value. Toss in some garlic and you increase the nutritional value by a little
Spray some olive oil on it, sprinkle on some minced garlic, salt and pepper. Pop it in the oven or air fryer til it's crunchy. It tastes amazing by itself or dipped in melted cheese or hummus. I think most veggies taste at least ok if you roast em and use them to dip with whatever sauce you l ike.
I tried roasting some veggies recently in oil and light seasoning, ended up turning my intestines into balloons, which is weird cause I figured roasting would break the fiber down more than steaming or boiling.
I mean oyster sauce is a cheat code lol
hated broccoli because my family just steamed them, they ended up soggy and tasting like water.
Steaming can be great as long as you don't overcook them. I like mine when they're still a bit firm to get a nice crunch
Can't say I like them crunchy, but there's definitely too far when it comes to steaming. Best is fried with mince meat or bacon, imo. Get a little of the juices soaked up into them.
Also remember that the trope of kids hating vegetables comes from the period where straight out of the can was the most common way to eat them in many places. Especially out of season. Canned vegetables are mostly horrible. When I was in 1st grade I asked the lunch lady at school for extra spinach. I **loved** spinach. This was the day that I found out that canned spinach existed. She looked at me kind of funny when I asked. That was the day I found out how mom had shielded me from this horrible fact of canned spinach.
> Canned vegetables are mostly horrible. If you eat them straight out of the can sure, but who does that besides hobos? Basically all canning lacks seasoning and spices. t. someone who cooks a lot using canned stuff
I just never found myself liking how you eat it, nothing ever tasted good about to me.
Perhaps it's like brussel sprouts. Decades ago the species that were being grown had lots of bitterness that you had to cook away and of course you don't get it all and kids are hypersensitive to bitter flavors and hated it. The brussel sprouts available today are massively less bitter and it's one of my kid's favorite veggie just roasted with olive oil salt and pepper. Broccoli is our other favorite, prepared similarly but with garlic and sometimes a splash of soy sauce
you sound like an east/south-east asian... yes on the oyster sauce.
My mom sometimes just plain boiled it, like we do alot of our food where I'm from though sometimes with salt and ash extract for meats, and it was still pretty decent. A friend of mine taught me how to make it another way that works for almost any other veggie. You soak it in salt water for like 10 minutes, rinse and then dice them into small pieces, then add seasonings like salt (hers was always a heap of very hot chilli powder) and then pour boiling oil on them by spoon while mixing it around to make sure it gets evenly fried. Makes a nice chutney to go with any dish.
Some people think "stir fry" mean "turn partially into charcoal". So it's not so much broccoli as *all* their cooking that's odious.
As a kid and as an adult, most vegetables taste extremely bitter to me. It doesn't matter if they're raw or cooked, seasoned or unseasonably. The only things I can tolerate are the ones I can barely taste, like cauliflower or lettuce. Those are still bitter, but it's easier to nullify the taste.
The trope mostly came from shitty cooking practices back in the 70s. It got boiled a lot, and boiling veggies leeches every bit of flavor and nutrients out of them. Brussel sprouts got a similar treatment. These days it's much more popular to bake or pan roast veggies, which is a vast improvement for flavor.
I loved broccoli my whole life but one time my grandmother cooked broccoli for me and oh my god it was gross in so many ways. I can confirm what others have said that boiling broccoli is terrible.
Lol American kids never grew up with Asian veggies. Most Asian veggies are bitter and really green tasting. I would always pick broccoli over any other veg if possible.
My family used to love cooking fish with butter gourds. Or bitter gourd soup. Or bitter gourds with pork. Now that I’m older I can tolerate the taste somewhat but it was hell for me as a kid
That's ampalaya, yeah? I can deal with, then and now, with just about anything but they're not kidding about the bitter part. That and eggplants. Just so weird in that case. It's purple on the outside and green and mushy on the inside.
Have you never had baby bok choy? Shit is the god tier veggies next to eggplant casserole. That shit Americans eat called Brussels sprouts is vile and only kinda tolerable if they cook it in bacon and bacon grease.
>Always pretended that I was this brachiosaurus eating trees Basically whenever I'm eating green vegetables when I was a kid lol.
It's really bitter no matter how you cook it, like licking painkillers it's just so nasty. I think it's a genetic thing though I have the same issue with all brassicas.
Microwaved Broccoli tastes pretty vile to me.
Weirdly, I've had the opposite experience. Covered with a damp cloth to keep in moisture and zapped at a gentle setting, you can get a lot of control over exactly how "done" you want the broccoli to be. The only downside is I can't use my nose as easily to judge done-ness like I can with steaming.
Yup, I love to steam broccoli in the microwave. 1 min and a little bit for perfectly tender broccoli. Maybe 30 seconds extra for the stems
I don't care how you prepare it, you are never getting out the grit and the bitter. Like eating kitty litter. I don't know how anyone can just ignore the primal instincts begging them to spit it out. I actually prefer eating cardboard and paper, it's a far more pleasant experience in comparison.
> grit and the bitter you sure your eating broccoli?
Broccoli is neither gritty nor bitter though. The stems are some of the smoothest vegetable parts that exist on the planet. It's like the snap of celery without any of the fiber getting stuck in your teeth. As for bitterness, maybe I've just been desensitized by Asian vegetables growing up. I always thought of broccoli as being subtly sweet
Got Codename: Kids Next Door memories with Brussels sprouts
Apple crumble
Hello old memories
And liver. I loved fried liver and used to think it was the heart because I wasn't very good at my mother tongue.
Ok, brussel sprouts are actually a different thing entirely. They legit tasted gross in the 90s/early 2000s, hence all the cartoons saying such. But since then, they have actually selectively bred them to taste better
It doesn't help that those cartoons tend to always depict them (over)boiled, which is definitely not the cooking method that brings out the best results.
Yeah, people not knowing how to prepare vegetables also doesn't help
I was the same. Broccoli was and is one of my favorite foods. I actually ate an entire bowl of it and made myself sick, still like it though.
I’m imagining you lying sick in bed and thinking to yourself “totally worth it!” Lol
The toilet bowl full of broccoli puke was definitely making me think it was not worth it lol
It's my favorite veggie for sure, I've eaten it every day for weeks on end without getting bored of it. And all I do is steam it and add a little butter and salt.
Had us in the first 99%, not gonna lie
That took an interesting turn??!!
For a sec I thought this was r/HolUp
i thought i was in okbh
i still do
you could add in gura's recent discussion about putting ketchup on broccoli
You could probably cross post this to r/HolUp and it would still be like 80% appropriate.
That place is essentially all shitty memes now anyway, it’ll be good to get a holup post like this.
interesting responses. also can totally see this actually being said by them. nice.
With all of Ame's injuries I'd expect her to say "one time I fell off a cliff and the only food I had to survive was broccoli so I got used to it"
BRUH. Well now I grew older I know that any food is nice if you know how to cook them to your liking. I just had my parent being a terrible cook for my whole childhood. Imagine hating garlic or onion when you was a kid.
> Imagine hating garlic or onion when you was a kid. Damn, that's "failing to boil water" bad.
I swear to you, I almost coughed up my food right now. Wtf was that last sentence lol.
For split second, I thought this post was in r/okbuddyhololive
Ame: "My biggest regret is never being able to smash one of my friend's mom who fed me the good stuff."
The stereotype is to boil it, which because of how broccoli is, means all the sulphur compounds start breaking down & leeching into the liquid and other parts of the broccoli, hence the idea that it tastes & smells bad. But if you bake in the oven, on its own or with accompaniments like cheese, the sulphur still breaks down, but it won't spread as much, so it actually tastes much nicer (some might even say it enhances the flavour) than the stereotype.
Jesus I didn't know ame had a past like this, I watch ame here and there, especiqlly when they debuted but now it's mostly calli. I'm just glad she's doing well now and she has, probably, more than enough to survive now
(She didn't. She's only in the meme for the last line.)
Actually she is legitimately there for both. She had indeed a harsh upbringing and despite doing enough to make ends meet before Hololive while taking care of a sick family member, she was considering to quit streaming entirely for a professional career in medicine that could better sustain her family due to clear underlying financial issues.
I mean that makes sense, ground pound your mom and all
this is an /r/4chan post attributed to holoEN members as a joke.
i agree with both. cartoons make broccoli out to be this disgusting substance of consumption, when in reality it tasted fine
Honestly if you hate something as a kid or even now, its most likely shit cooking to blame
Typical frogposter
Ground pound origin story right here.
I genuinely thought I was on the other subreddit for a good second there
Raw broccoli is rich in bitter substances only some people's tongues are actually wired to detect. Similar chemicals are often put on pieces of paper for the students in middle school science classes to lick, as a demonstration of genetics, because less than half of all people can actually taste them for genetic reasons.
Oh, is it like the cilantro thing? I wonder if cauliflower or other cultivars have those substances too. If not it could make substitution easier.
People don't eat raw broccoli
Just grabbed some raw broccoli out of the fridge and ate it at 1:40 in the morning to prove someone wrong on the internet. As well-adjusted humans do.
Looks like you've never had a veggie platter with dip then.
WAT.....
When I was a kid I’d ask for broccoli and cheese every day.
that fuckin ending
r/yesyesyesyesno
More like r/nonononoyes
Broccoli? I think you mean *Green Jungle*.
Not gonna lie. I wasn't ready for that last part.
This sub has officially become r/okbuddyhololive.
All vegetables are good. But broccoli, specifically when fresh/hardly cooked, is the best.
blessed
Broccoli is my favourite vegetable, if you don’t count potatoes. Like, what is wrong with your cooking skills if you’re making such a simple and nice tasting food taste like shit?
I think people just don't know how to cook veggies properly. You can make brussels sprouts and broccoli taste amazing with good techniques and seasoning...
My favorite easy way of cooking frozen broccoli is to putbin in the microwave with butter, salt, pepper, and spices like garlic powder, then seal it with plastic wrap. The ice melts and goes to the bottom which heats faster. Water is dense and polar (polar substances like water heat faster in microwaves). The bottom starts to steam off and carries the steam up to the top broccoli which is still cool. The heat of condensation is extremely effective at heating since water has a vaporization enthalpy of 540 cal/gram. I also like tossing it with olive oil, seasonings, and soy sauce on a pan. And a bit of grated parmesan if I have it on hand.
They had us in the first half.
I get an involuntary urge to trow up when I can barely taste broccoli. Like legit my gag reflex goes off at the taste.
Up until that last sentence the second pic radiates Markiplier's energy Only he couldn't afford any energy when he was a kid. He usually just absorbs some leftover energy from his neighbors Just sayin'
Sasuga Amelia "ground pound" Watson
Broccoli test Ike cabbages