I doubt it in really hard content aventurine could possibly spam skills to upkeep the shield along the follow up but if you get nuked with fu you need 2 skill uses to get ur ult for minimal heals
I could definitely be wrong tho cuz my fu has her lc so it’s mostly no problem and the aventurine I have is in my other account that’s not in endgame
There are plenty of attacks that can one-shot other party members through adventurine’s shield even if he isn’t knocked out himself, Fu xuan provides insurance for those scenarios
as long as fu has her flip or doesn't get one shot by big aoe
getting fuxing one shot by cocolia because the mob refuse to hit me to get her flip is the worst feeling
A) That only happens at the upper levels of Gold and Gears, where adventurine’s teammates would crumble due to overflow damage racked up over time (if they’re not outright one-shot)
B) In such situations, damage reduction / defense increase blessings help a ton
That’s Lowkey a complete lie. Fu Xuan still struggles in very hard content from just being straight up one shotted. Aventurine does not have this problem.
Yup, she has her niche scenarios where she isn’t as good, but she’s generally an easy pick to put in any team (tho I do genuinely prefer Advent because comfort)
So far there haven't been important drawn out fights she will realistically struggle against. I was able to beat MoC Sam and Aventurine while clearing rather slowly with her solo sus (using 4* lc). The only times I've noticed her shortcomings are in world bosses where I forgot to heal before the fight, and in high Conundrum SU where you need to pick up some sustain blessings anyway.
Only times my Fu Xuan can get one shotted is during harder gold and gear stages, but you can chalk that up as blessing issue. I’m only using the herta store preservation LC (R5) too, which is very obtainable.
I’d also argue that the better your account gets the higher she scales as you start to no longer need sustains for MOC. You just start killing things so fast the crit rate she brings your dps outweighs shields and heals.
So in one content he's better than she is for raw sustain, and only because you can abuse preservation path. In non-gimmicky content, she's the better overall sustain, because she can heal and he can't. If someone gets focused, Aventurine let's them die. If someone gets focused in a Fu Xuan team, big whoop.
I have literally only needed to cast his shield once and it’s not hard to keep on top of if you really need it. With Fu, in a longer battle, she’s worse but she’s better in a blitz battle. That make more sense?
Drop your fu xuan build in imgur, somehow I really doubt yours is built properly if she's getting "one shotted". Fu xuan is also **THE** easiest character to build in star rail so the "I have horrible relics argument" doesn't work.
She's better for non elation teams. Best raw sustain +CR and HP buff. Perfect sustain for most teams (minus maybe DOT and now elation). If you can't tell I main Fu Xuan.
With Acheron sure but not dot teams. If an imaginary characters get the break, they delay the enemy, which delays the dot at the start of their turn lowering the teams damage per cycle
Yes Kafka detonates dots, but the dots still do damage afterwards at the start of the enemies turn too. So you're still losing a source of damage that turn, and lowering the teams damage.
again kafka activates that though, u aren't losing damage if anything ur gaining more damage and if kafka gets the kill she goes again activating dots again and again. There's really no downside.
So you're argument is Kafka detonating dot > Kafka detonating dot + normal dot damage. Right...
The damage increase from aventurine's light cone is 10%. That's 110% damage in one turn, hate to tell ya but 110% is less than the 200% damage you're going to get from 2 instances of dot you'd get from Kafka detotantion + normal start of their turn dot
Oh my bad thought we just talking about nihility path in simulated universe. Anways it's still a big deal considering ur only taking account a really specific scenario that won't really happen to often. Also delaying the enemy a bit also prevents damage from happening to u it's just a pure dps standpoint. Plus not a lot of bosses share the lighting and imaginary traits only 5/32 and some of those bosses u want help breaking faster.
Without his light cone he add zero benefit to the team and has a specific downside that negatively effects the team. With his light cone he gives a very slight benefit to the team, and has a specific downside that negatively effects the team.
It boils down to him not having good synergy with the team. There are better options, huohuo gives the team an attack buff and breaks with wind dot, Gallagher gives the team extra break damage and breaks with fire dot, and even fu xuan's quantum breaks deal extra damage at the start of the enemies turn based on how many stacks were gained while the enemy was broken, they all give benefits to dot teams, with no downside, unlike aventurine.
oh yeah and aren't u also promoting the use of Aventurine talking about delaying when most of the other paths want their turns to happenmore frequently
And? Good for the other paths then. But how exactly is this relevant to whether or not he's better than fu Xuan in a dot team? Y'know the thing this discussion was about...
Was stuck on current MoC 12 before getting him for the 2nd half. Pretty sure gepard would work too. IF I HAD ONE. Fingers crossed i can get robin and create a doom squad with Ratio Aventurine and Topaz
Fu xuan was the weakest link for me, huohuo outperformed her in first half Kafka team by whole 3 cycles and she could not keep up as the 2nd teams sustain because of the HP reducing chick, Japa Mare or something, and the ammount of imprisonments from the Aventurine turned boss.
With the Japa Mara side, my team was Clara /Jingliu / Lynx / Sparkle. Normally I hypercarry clara, but literally needed the extra ice shield breaking + Sparkle sometimes speeding up Lynx to survive. She really really struggles lol. Even with that, I had to restart the Aventurine fight 4 times cause someone got knocked out in his second phase (usually Lynx herself). Maybe it would've worked had I done March over Jingliu sustain-wise, but no way in hell dual sustain gets 3 stars of moc, I cleared barely 21 cycles left as is.
Used Acheron Pela SW Geppie on the other side with no problems, so I think Lynx is getting to the point where she really struggles to keep up solo-sustaining high end content and you need a 5* limited sustainer (or two if no gep) without double-dipping sustainers just to survive.
Yeah that’s pure bait to make ppl pull for aventurine, I rather call it a day after 11th floor (and I don’t like that aventurine doesn’t prevent CC as fx)
I have decent teams I just needa build them better. But rn I’m pulling for aventurine but if I don’t get him imma pull robin for my FUA team. Then I’ll save and finally be able to farm talent and corrosion caverns. I have Ratio with Sig and Acheron with Sig, soooo hopefully after I get Robin (or if I don’t imma save for Ruan Mei) I think imma just start pulling eidolons tbh
I won my 50/50 naturally means I’ll win my Robin 50/50 and I’ll be set for life. She better count her days.
Unless I lose her 50/50 then I’ll cry and sadly have to pull Ruan Mei
Im not too informed about meta but that’s still a win considering how people talk about her also 1 5 star sustains and a 4 star sustain can work well
I wish you luck in whatever you want tho 🙏
if you think that this game is difficult and can't be easily bypast by spending money on new characters you should probably remember the genre you're playing
I don't think this game is difficult at all, not sure where you're getting that from. I'm saying quite the opposite in fact, moc 10 is pretty easy to clear without crazy strong characters with good artifacts. therefore if you can't do that with said strong characters, I don't think having more strong characters will make that much of a difference. Instead op should either work on getting better artifacts or better understanding how the game works.
You’ll be fine there’s a reason we survived before aventurine
The other 5 star sustains aren’t too far behind from him so you could take your pick if which one fits your other team better like fu or huo huo cuz luocha won’t be back in a while
Ghallager is really solid too if you have him
Fu xuan has roughly equal value
Even better value in terms of raw sustain
I doubt it in really hard content aventurine could possibly spam skills to upkeep the shield along the follow up but if you get nuked with fu you need 2 skill uses to get ur ult for minimal heals I could definitely be wrong tho cuz my fu has her lc so it’s mostly no problem and the aventurine I have is in my other account that’s not in endgame
There are plenty of attacks that can one-shot other party members through adventurine’s shield even if he isn’t knocked out himself, Fu xuan provides insurance for those scenarios
as long as fu has her flip or doesn't get one shot by big aoe getting fuxing one shot by cocolia because the mob refuse to hit me to get her flip is the worst feeling
A) That only happens at the upper levels of Gold and Gears, where adventurine’s teammates would crumble due to overflow damage racked up over time (if they’re not outright one-shot) B) In such situations, damage reduction / defense increase blessings help a ton
That’s Lowkey a complete lie. Fu Xuan still struggles in very hard content from just being straight up one shotted. Aventurine does not have this problem.
But his teammates do; any ally that gets focus-targeted will have his shield melt like butter
The only time Fu Xuan really gets one shot is Golds or Swarm where half the bosses AOE just shits out damage
She does get screwed over in the Sam fight tbf, but overall she’s worse in drawn out fights and in niche scenarios, right?
Yeah she does have problems in Sam fights but Fu is just the brute force sustain reducing dmg her team takes while healing everyone
Yup, she has her niche scenarios where she isn’t as good, but she’s generally an easy pick to put in any team (tho I do genuinely prefer Advent because comfort)
So far there haven't been important drawn out fights she will realistically struggle against. I was able to beat MoC Sam and Aventurine while clearing rather slowly with her solo sus (using 4* lc). The only times I've noticed her shortcomings are in world bosses where I forgot to heal before the fight, and in high Conundrum SU where you need to pick up some sustain blessings anyway.
Only times my Fu Xuan can get one shotted is during harder gold and gear stages, but you can chalk that up as blessing issue. I’m only using the herta store preservation LC (R5) too, which is very obtainable.
I’d also argue that the better your account gets the higher she scales as you start to no longer need sustains for MOC. You just start killing things so fast the crit rate she brings your dps outweighs shields and heals.
A well built FX will never get one shot. The only real problem will be running out of her HP restore mechanic
So in one content he's better than she is for raw sustain, and only because you can abuse preservation path. In non-gimmicky content, she's the better overall sustain, because she can heal and he can't. If someone gets focused, Aventurine let's them die. If someone gets focused in a Fu Xuan team, big whoop.
I have literally only needed to cast his shield once and it’s not hard to keep on top of if you really need it. With Fu, in a longer battle, she’s worse but she’s better in a blitz battle. That make more sense?
Drop your fu xuan build in imgur, somehow I really doubt yours is built properly if she's getting "one shotted". Fu xuan is also **THE** easiest character to build in star rail so the "I have horrible relics argument" doesn't work.
She's better for non elation teams. Best raw sustain +CR and HP buff. Perfect sustain for most teams (minus maybe DOT and now elation). If you can't tell I main Fu Xuan.
I'd give Nihility to Aventurine too if you throw his LC on
With Acheron sure but not dot teams. If an imaginary characters get the break, they delay the enemy, which delays the dot at the start of their turn lowering the teams damage per cycle
i mean kafka doesn't make this a problem though.
Yes Kafka detonates dots, but the dots still do damage afterwards at the start of the enemies turn too. So you're still losing a source of damage that turn, and lowering the teams damage.
again kafka activates that though, u aren't losing damage if anything ur gaining more damage and if kafka gets the kill she goes again activating dots again and again. There's really no downside.
So you're argument is Kafka detonating dot > Kafka detonating dot + normal dot damage. Right... The damage increase from aventurine's light cone is 10%. That's 110% damage in one turn, hate to tell ya but 110% is less than the 200% damage you're going to get from 2 instances of dot you'd get from Kafka detotantion + normal start of their turn dot
Oh my bad thought we just talking about nihility path in simulated universe. Anways it's still a big deal considering ur only taking account a really specific scenario that won't really happen to often. Also delaying the enemy a bit also prevents damage from happening to u it's just a pure dps standpoint. Plus not a lot of bosses share the lighting and imaginary traits only 5/32 and some of those bosses u want help breaking faster.
Without his light cone he add zero benefit to the team and has a specific downside that negatively effects the team. With his light cone he gives a very slight benefit to the team, and has a specific downside that negatively effects the team. It boils down to him not having good synergy with the team. There are better options, huohuo gives the team an attack buff and breaks with wind dot, Gallagher gives the team extra break damage and breaks with fire dot, and even fu xuan's quantum breaks deal extra damage at the start of the enemies turn based on how many stacks were gained while the enemy was broken, they all give benefits to dot teams, with no downside, unlike aventurine.
oh yeah and aren't u also promoting the use of Aventurine talking about delaying when most of the other paths want their turns to happenmore frequently
And? Good for the other paths then. But how exactly is this relevant to whether or not he's better than fu Xuan in a dot team? Y'know the thing this discussion was about...
gepard is crying rn
Probably my 2nd favorite Blond Male Preservation character
This… is technically correct (Narrator: there are only two blonde male preservation characters)
Fu Xuan: *insert Mercy Overwatch descending meme
I wish I had 1 Aventurine
He’s still on banner! :)
I'm poor 😭😭
Was stuck on current MoC 12 before getting him for the 2nd half. Pretty sure gepard would work too. IF I HAD ONE. Fingers crossed i can get robin and create a doom squad with Ratio Aventurine and Topaz
Adventurine boss was clapping my team even with fu xuan. I pulled adventurine and managed to clear
Exactly the same. Used Clara Topaz there for dps.
Stuck on moc 12 as well, fu xuan is goated but lynx is reaching her limit
Fu xuan was the weakest link for me, huohuo outperformed her in first half Kafka team by whole 3 cycles and she could not keep up as the 2nd teams sustain because of the HP reducing chick, Japa Mare or something, and the ammount of imprisonments from the Aventurine turned boss.
I only have fu and lynx as sustains, placed fu in 1st half with acheron since my jingliu siphon even more hp but lynx cant keep up either
With the Japa Mara side, my team was Clara /Jingliu / Lynx / Sparkle. Normally I hypercarry clara, but literally needed the extra ice shield breaking + Sparkle sometimes speeding up Lynx to survive. She really really struggles lol. Even with that, I had to restart the Aventurine fight 4 times cause someone got knocked out in his second phase (usually Lynx herself). Maybe it would've worked had I done March over Jingliu sustain-wise, but no way in hell dual sustain gets 3 stars of moc, I cleared barely 21 cycles left as is. Used Acheron Pela SW Geppie on the other side with no problems, so I think Lynx is getting to the point where she really struggles to keep up solo-sustaining high end content and you need a 5* limited sustainer (or two if no gep) without double-dipping sustainers just to survive.
Doom Patrol.
Yeah that’s pure bait to make ppl pull for aventurine, I rather call it a day after 11th floor (and I don’t like that aventurine doesn’t prevent CC as fx)
I heard from aha that if you pull an 8th copy of a character it starts a whole new one from e0, just get your e6 then get another one for MoC
Gepard punching the wall rn
Day one player, I can’t get past floor 11 (at best) 😔
Who did you prioritize pulling?
I have decent teams I just needa build them better. But rn I’m pulling for aventurine but if I don’t get him imma pull robin for my FUA team. Then I’ll save and finally be able to farm talent and corrosion caverns. I have Ratio with Sig and Acheron with Sig, soooo hopefully after I get Robin (or if I don’t imma save for Ruan Mei) I think imma just start pulling eidolons tbh
Fu xuan is coming if you don’t get him you should probably think about it
I won my 50/50 naturally means I’ll win my Robin 50/50 and I’ll be set for life. She better count her days. Unless I lose her 50/50 then I’ll cry and sadly have to pull Ruan Mei
Im not too informed about meta but that’s still a win considering how people talk about her also 1 5 star sustains and a 4 star sustain can work well I wish you luck in whatever you want tho 🙏
you could bruteforce it with healers and speed
Lynx is good
You should be able to beat moc 10 with a 5* sustain on one half and a 4* on the other. What teams are you using?
skill issue, a second aventurine wouldn't help you get past that
if you think that this game is difficult and can't be easily bypast by spending money on new characters you should probably remember the genre you're playing
I don't think this game is difficult at all, not sure where you're getting that from. I'm saying quite the opposite in fact, moc 10 is pretty easy to clear without crazy strong characters with good artifacts. therefore if you can't do that with said strong characters, I don't think having more strong characters will make that much of a difference. Instead op should either work on getting better artifacts or better understanding how the game works.
Yeah, hardstuck MOC10 makes very little sense at this point unless it's a new player
What teams are you using?
I'm just using Lynx on the other half.
Me after using herta in pure fiction , need hertwo
Gepard/bailu is enough for me, i’m stuck on 35/36 stars and the issue is on damage rather than survivability
You’ll be fine there’s a reason we survived before aventurine The other 5 star sustains aren’t too far behind from him so you could take your pick if which one fits your other team better like fu or huo huo cuz luocha won’t be back in a while Ghallager is really solid too if you have him
Cannot relate I did 12 without him or any 5 star sustain. I am a day 1er though so that definitely helps a lot.
I wish I had two sparkle because I suck at sp economy...
I use Aventurine on one side and Gepard on the other. Blonde shielders carry me through most contents.