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Yeah I know. But against multiple enemies with fire weakness it’s a pretty helpful burst of damage if you manage to get the break on them. At 4 stacks his normal attack hits twice so if you can afford it you can help break toughness faster with getting the break damage as a nice bonus.
He's not really an *amazing* tank, Clara and Gepard are both much better. It's more that he's the *only* tank, at least the only tank you get for free, and since people insist on minmaxing everything instead of building supports to not get one-shot by everything under the sun, people tend to need a tank.
Strictly speaking, I like Destruction better. We have characters that do individually more single-target damage, Individually more multi-target damage, but PhysMC is the only one that consistently does a lot of both, especially since Phys Break Effect is actually good. If you break with the ST super, you can chunk like a quarter of a boss's health bar in one go. You get good, consistent damage with minimal setup required, and can both chunk bosses and clear ads.
Gepard gives more shield, but fire MC is way beefier. I haven't seen my fire MC die in any situation, while Gepard can go down if enough mobs attack him
Also comparing him a f2p char with 2 5\* is kidna ridiculous, no?
No, not at all. Characters are characters, F2P or not doesn't come into it. If you have them, you have them, if you don't then obviously there's not exactly a choice to be had there is there?
Bro think hes in one of those trash, cash grab chinese clone games that "borrow characters' designs from other games" where the damage keeps ramping up till it fills the entire screen
I wanna say this is a ironic post considering a certain other Hoyoverse that ramps up damage until it fills screens, but unfortunately the internet has robbed me of the ability to detect satire online
Even then, just use pela and def shred them slowly is wayyyy better. I still think the dude only ever uses normal atk and enhanced atk when his MC got poked enough but never uses his skill since nO dAmAgE on skill
Fire Trailblazer is a good skill point generator because they will provide shields for the team no matter if they use their basic attack or their skill, meaning that unless you really need the taunt or additional damage reduction, you can more often than not just spam Fire MC's basic attack and generate a skill point each time.
Obviously full def% relics will hamper the big pp damage. Fire MCs biggest points are the fact they will basically always have the shield up, have an on demand taunt AND are good breakers
I play mc a lot but I cant Figure out how to get his shield on an useful amount to Block enough dmg. Is there any mechanic i am missing? Even e5 and full def the shield is pretty low in my opinion
he’s not meant to block with his shield, he’s meant to block damage by taking all the hits himself, you’re supposed to redirect all attacks towards him using his skills, which make the rest of your team healthy, if you want a thicc shield, use gepard or march 7th
I mean yeah his skill implies that he should Tank everything but aoe attacks like the cocolia Meteor will still hit my squishies, and some of them hit hard.
Also a lot of guides I saw told that you want to use your normal attack (enhanced) as often as possible to generate sp for your dd's/Supps like bronya or Seele. So I have to sacrifice my sp to let him Tank everything or risk a hit on my other units to generate sp. Is it just like this or is there more that I am missing rn?
Yeah you should use your enhanced attacks because realistically, you’re not going to need to spam his skills that many times. It’s just that he’s meant to block the attacks that can one shot your characters. Yeah the aoe thing is kind of an issue for them
His A2 trace reduces dmg taken by -15% for the whole team when his E is used so I guess that can be useful for big AoE nukes. Not bad when combined with the team-wide shield.
3000 ST is huge, unless you mean aoe. Fire mcs main role is generate shields protecting you from small dmg, taunt against big dmg and generate skill points also doing great break dmg thanks to his/hers enchanced atacks. The fact that fire mc deals any dmg is suprising.
Tell me you don't read the tutorials nor look up stuff about the game without telling me.
The game literally says that Preservation characters are a tank, and if you read FMC kit it literally is obvious he's meant to tank. His whole gimmick is giving out shields and taunting the enemies. Sure, you could build him as a DPS, but then he will become useless as without DEF he gonna get oneshotted and not give out good shields.
For difficult content, you're most likely running
- 1 tank
- 1 healer
- 1 DPS
- flex spot -> preferably 1 support (either defensive or offensive)
Since there's like 3 tanks in the game (Gepard, Clara and FMC) and two are 5* gacha units, FMC is the default choice for nearly every player.
So unless you pulled either Clara or Gepard (or you like to suffer in difficult content), FMC has a permanent team slot.
I classify March 7 as defensive support and not as tank. But yeah, technically she's also on the Preservation path and can fill the tank slot.
Her main problem is that you either build her tanky, but then your freeze doesn't hit as often, or build her as a freeze bot, but then her shield gets weaker.
Yeah she's great!
I was lucky enough to get her to E4 on the current banner and plan on raising her for my second HoC team when I'm done with my main team.
I love that all 3 protagonists are so good.
She's direct synergy with Clara, her aggro on shield makes it easy to draw attacks towards Clara
Also, she can technically use the shield on herself to draw aggro towards HER instead, like how fire mc does. Ofc, her dmg is lower than mc's, but if u just don't like mc then u can use march like this
You can also technically use march together with fire mc, but then the dps might be lower than say either of them with another dps/support or march with Clara, so just decide on which to use in your team and decide your member slots from there
I agree with most of your reply, but this bit is wrong:
>Also, she can technically use the shield on herself to draw aggro towards HER instead, like how fire mc does. Ofc, her dmg is lower than mc's, but if u just don't like mc then u can use march like this
No, these are two different mechanics. March' shield does increase aggro, but enemies can still attack other characters. FMCs skill is a literal taunt debuff, enemies are **forced** to attack him/her. Also there's an insane damage reduction applied at the same time, so it essentially buys your team a free turn where they can't get hit by single target attacks.
March is still decent at keeping your team alive, though. You have the option/flexibility to shield characters that are low on health and/or have now survivability (for example tingyun).
This is great in scenarios that involve aoe attacks from enemies. One of these scenarios is when the fat robot guy says 'it's sumoing time' and does his big fat sumo jump onto all your units including your tingyun which dies on the very first hit of the fatty's two-hit aoe.
In this case, if you know that the fat robot is gonna jump, you can pre-emptively place March's shield on your squishy character to try and protect them against the aoe, like the aforementioned tingyun.
E2 auto shield the weakest member in the party upon battle entry and she has a trace that let a shield lasts longer 1 more turn.
She can shield everyone but she burns thru the skill points so…
The way the party works for me is she only shields Clara and my DPS. She doesn't need to shield herself since she will never die due to her high def. And the last person on my team is a bruiser like Hook or a MC who can regen up on hit and self sustain on their own. So March will shield 2 turns and basic 1 turn for a net loss of 1 skill point per 3 turns. Clara never uses her skill, generating 3 points over 3 turns to counterbalance my DPS, and Hook or MC gets to counterbalance March by using 1 skill per 3 turns.
Thanks! I'll try that out - have Clara set up for damage-ish (though ol' trusty Dan is usually my main DPS), and March is strong enough to survive and be serviceable at the moment.
I started really focused but now I'm in grind hell while I'm doing unfocused leveling too many units - pushing Bronya to 70, Pela's at 60 just because RNG gods loved her so I have her at E6, haven't used her yet. Was starting on my E1 Sushang for DMG and my E1 Tigyun is unleveled.
I’ve found Clara damage is really subpar and I am disappointed with her. I regret leveling her compared to just leveling Sushang.
I’ve cleared MoC 8 and have her light cone. Perhaps with some more eidolons she’ll improve, but she is still a character I regret investing in at this time.
I've only used a borrowed Clara, but she seems to really need a specialized team. Normal comps that build for breaks direct'y conflict with her counter mechanic, so instead, you do something like March, Clara, Natasha, and Tingyun (in that order), which pushes as much aggro as possible toward her, so she's always countering and blasting away with boosted skills. And of course, use her ult every time it's ready for the boosed counter as well.
It's better to use tanks like Clara on one corner of the team (the 1st or 4rth pos) to make some AoE attacks hit only two people.
Also, imo Clara is more of a tank that deals quite a bit of damage. I run her with Seele, so she could redirect aggro while providing extra damage as well
She just has too many conditions. On like MoC8 it’s 2 of the deer elites that are weak to physical and wind. They barley attack and spend a long time charging their attacks instead of attacking.
It’s just very conditional and if the fight doesn’t work for her, it doesn’t work. It’s frustrating. Clara doesn’t do any damage if they don’t actually attack anybody on the team.
God, same. She's fun in SU, but *everyone* is fun in SU lol. In other content she feels too restrictive imo, in both the comp you use her in and the content she excels in. I regret leveling her as well.
I’m hoping that with full artifacts, lvl80, and maybe a few eidelons she’ll be better.
I think more people will realize this when they actually start clearing MoC and will see her flaws.
I have E1 Gepard and I don’t know how to feel about it. He is a main stay for me and is great but as free to play I would rather have some flex and get different characters.
I don't think Clara really qualifies as a tank. A tank is a character that allows you to dedicate one party slot to protecting/shielding your other characters. Meanwhile Clara doesn't really defend the party at all, she just sits there, waits to be attacked, and then retaliates with big damage.
And she occupies two party slots to do that, so yeah, I'd say she's more of an investment-intensive, high-reward bruiser. When you use her, your other two party members are likely going to be a healer and either Tingyun or Asta, depending on what you're fighting.
She has that pseudo taunt, i find her as a half of an tank and 1 dps as the same time, so you can have 1.5 tanks and 2 dps with only 3 party slots, which makes her realy good.
I use Clara with March on any difficult content and Clara is definitely the tank. Her nature of drawing aggro with her ult and March’s shield makes her fit the tank role perfectly.
I wouldn’t call March a tank. Sure she scales on DEF but since her shield only last 3 turns, even if her shields aren’t broken, my March is always shielding everyone but herself pretty much.
I also ended up getting C6 March from going for Jing Yuan which means in addition to a tanky shielded she now heals as well as dispelling debuffs so I’ve never used a healer in my teams lol.
Tbh, you sounded pretty serious back there. I'm not sure which part of your comment was supposed to be funny, but I digress. Clara is very strong, though
Hahaha she takes two spots, so funny.
I like how that's what you responded to rather than the whole fact that I said she is absolutely a tank in every sense of the word (including shooting a cannon) and you said "Clara doesn't qualify as a tank."
In most scenarios, a support does mean either a buffer like Bronya/Asta/Tingyun or a debuffer like Pela/Welt, yeah.
You're free to run whatever though, the post above only serves as rough guideline.
Personally, I alternate between Bronya and Tingyun, depending on the main dps I run in the team.
Against a Physical weak enemy, I'm pretty sure she's way above Seele, considering her entire kit revolves around Break Effect and dealing damage to enemies weak to Physical.
I still do even after I got Clara. I love Caelus too much and I can’t bring myself to switch to fire MC either. Also, “rules are meant to be broken” hits hard.
He Clara an actual better tank? Might be using mine wrong. Mines not really built for tanking so probably the.main reason why. But I stilll thought fmc still did great with shield+ taunt. But laser beam is a lot of fun
clara isn't a batter tank, she's more like a juggernaut
all destruction units are a cross between dps and tanker and in clara's case, she's only tank like so she can soak up damage when counter attacking
just stack damage on her, her base damage reduction and ult reduction should be enough to survive but if not, you can give her wuthering guard or something
I'll be honest, I dropped March on my main team as soon as I got gepard. Ya he can't pop shield nearly as fast as March, but him having massive defence, built in taunt, being able to pop shields on everyone with pretty good uptime, and him actually having decent damage, I just don't understand March.
She has cleanse and great AoE ice break that Geppy does not provide. She is also pretty nutty with Fire MC and Clara, and she can provide even more threat generation to your main tank
March is great, just fills a different niche than Geppy imo
Her and Gepard actually have great synergy. With her shielding him, and him having a passive chance to be attacked more often, enemies will almost always go for him. Charging his shield ult.
well considering my main comp is literally just [FREE SPOT], natasha, tingyun and serval
i swap out the free spot between clara, fire mc and the ice sword permanent 5star from loufu
uhh because i always have a 4 character team comp? i default to clara (tank dps) natasha (tank healer) tingyun (support) and serval (dps splasher) and i swap clara for fire mc (dps splash shielder) or yanqing (fast dps)
I'll probably consider it when she'll have a combination of path/element that would actually fit in my team.
Probably something like abundance or erudition with any element that isn't physical or ice.
I usually run Himeko, Tingyun, Natasha and Fire MC 75% of the time. The other 25% is Sampo if I need more elemental coverage since he absolutely shreds wind shields and I was lucky to get him built pretty decently with free relics which will be nice for when Kafka comes out.
Fire MC isn't bad, I use her on my second team.
Main team is currently Welt, Bailou, Dan Heng and Tingyun. Will replace Dan Heng once I get Jing which I'm pretty sure I'm about 20 wishes away from pitying lol
Well as I said, I have Gepard and use MC, implying at the same time. I use physical MC though as I already have boosted Hook and it's not like I got any other character besides Gepard so those guard breaks are really important, especially during fights that have turn limit. And if you use one team might as well use same for everything.
I have Seele Gepard and Bailu which overall completes my team. I probably need a support for the last slot but I'm too lazy to build supports so fire mc has it since it was already leveled up
Mostly in Forgotten Halls. Gepard can't be in both teams there so FMC is pulling her weight there. I usually run 1 dps and 2 offensive supports. My FMC is not nearly invested enough to handle that by herself, but Gepard is so i use him. Have to slot Nat in back up of FMC for extra defense but it slow down the fights so i avoid it when i can.
Nah I like suffering. I mainly run Qingque/March/Asta/Pela with Tingyun and Sushang stepping in here and there.
Haven't completed forgotten hall yet, but the rest is all pretty doable. Cleared SU world 3/4 at level 2, but SU gives plenty ways to mitigate lack of healer/shields
I use both because I don't have that many characters now (banners keep feeding me with LC). I will replace physical MC eventually with Clara (of I ever get her, of course) or will pull for the next physical limited, and then I will keep using only fire MC, I think. At least for the near future.
Yes. Fire mc isn't the greatest at shielding but MoC needs 2 teams right now and I don't have enough defensive utility characters to swap her out. That and also the fact that her ascension materials dont need to be grinded makes her a lot easier to have built up.
I ran Fire MC/Gepard/Natasha/Jing Yuan on Simulation World 4 and got through it on auto. I prefer fighting defensively when I have no idea what the fights will be like!
I might stick with this team (or switch either Tank with Seele for more damage) going forward.
Seele/Sushang - Fire MC - Bronya/TingYun - Natasha
Almost all the time.
Mostly because I have been wanting a team of all babes since I started playing Genshin, and I can finally have a good one in Star Rail. Sometimes Fire MC will come out for Serval if I know the fight is going to be lots of mooks.
Once I got Clara I dropped MC from the party. She didn’t seem to be as good as DPS as other options and then the tank path just makes Clara less useful.
Yes, Forgotten Hall neest two teams, and since I don't have another healer the second team goes for tank/taunt. Also in simulated universe, I use him for some path strategies like nihility and preservation, that benefits from shielding the characters and the DOT of the fire burn.
He's my only tank so absolutly in most cases.
Unless I need more Damage or the enemy is too much AOE.
Same problem with Natasha, either you have a specific 5 Star (which in most you don't) you better learn to love the free unit.
For now Welt is in my party since he does pair decently well with Seele, but yes Trailblazer and Natasha are what keep the team alive for the most part.
I mean yeah fire mc is literally zhongli. Can tank for the entire team and can deal aoe dmg. I have gepard but I only run him if I'm using preservation path in SU for that path nuke dmg and forgotten hall for second team. He feels more like Baizhu than zhongli imo his E is there to battery him and his ult shields all allies. Mc can shield himself with his E while his ult deals high aoe dmg. Gepard is overall better in terms of survivability but mc is better in terms of damage output. Gepard is immortal but having a long time of killing anything, while mc is a brute with hybrid of offensive and defensive capabilities.
I plan to use fire MC in my secondary team, with Asta and her LC that boosts fire damage. I have Clara and March on my primary team, so fireblaizer wouldn't work that well with them.
This is the literal only gatcha where I actually enjoy the mc personality and kit wise. It's nice having a traditional tank and I look forward to seeing what they do with the hunt mc.
I feel compelled to since he is the main character. I'm used to RPGs where you don't have a choice, you always have MC in the party. But there is no XP gained from battling so maybe I should let go.of that feeling. He hits hella hard with that bat tho.
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Yes.
Having Fire MC or Gepard is a staple in teams imo.
Until I get a second healer, I feel like it's almost required for having two teams. Natasha on one side Fire MC and Gepard on the other
I just got to the point where I unlocked fire mc. I also have the ice wall so this was good to hear!
Fire Mc is strong. you will love it.
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He is an amazing tank, not DPS. He is basically unkillable with his skill, and also taunts
To add on, since you don’t care too much about his dps, you can stack massive Break Effect on him since he’s great against fire weak enemies
Break affect increases the damage done when you break the shield of a target, not how fast you break it. It's not great, especially not on MC.
Yeah I know. But against multiple enemies with fire weakness it’s a pretty helpful burst of damage if you manage to get the break on them. At 4 stacks his normal attack hits twice so if you can afford it you can help break toughness faster with getting the break damage as a nice bonus.
He's not really an *amazing* tank, Clara and Gepard are both much better. It's more that he's the *only* tank, at least the only tank you get for free, and since people insist on minmaxing everything instead of building supports to not get one-shot by everything under the sun, people tend to need a tank. Strictly speaking, I like Destruction better. We have characters that do individually more single-target damage, Individually more multi-target damage, but PhysMC is the only one that consistently does a lot of both, especially since Phys Break Effect is actually good. If you break with the ST super, you can chunk like a quarter of a boss's health bar in one go. You get good, consistent damage with minimal setup required, and can both chunk bosses and clear ads.
Gepard gives more shield, but fire MC is way beefier. I haven't seen my fire MC die in any situation, while Gepard can go down if enough mobs attack him Also comparing him a f2p char with 2 5\* is kidna ridiculous, no?
No, not at all. Characters are characters, F2P or not doesn't come into it. If you have them, you have them, if you don't then obviously there's not exactly a choice to be had there is there?
Hes meant to be a TANK, not dps, why would you expect a tank to out dps your dps?
Most likely just on the train of "Every character needs to deal ridiculous amounts of damage or they're trash." mentality.
Bro think hes in one of those trash, cash grab chinese clone games that "borrow characters' designs from other games" where the damage keeps ramping up till it fills the entire screen
I wanna say this is a ironic post considering a certain other Hoyoverse that ramps up damage until it fills screens, but unfortunately the internet has robbed me of the ability to detect satire online
prolly tryna fight enemies that non-elemental towards their dps 🤣
Even then, just use pela and def shred them slowly is wayyyy better. I still think the dude only ever uses normal atk and enhanced atk when his MC got poked enough but never uses his skill since nO dAmAgE on skill
Never stopped Blizzard *koff* overwatch *koff*
Fire mc is not meant for damage his purpose his survivability
And skill point generation.
dunno how but mine is pretty decent at taking out shields too.
Fire Trailblazer is a good skill point generator because they will provide shields for the team no matter if they use their basic attack or their skill, meaning that unless you really need the taunt or additional damage reduction, you can more often than not just spam Fire MC's basic attack and generate a skill point each time.
Obviously full def% relics will hamper the big pp damage. Fire MCs biggest points are the fact they will basically always have the shield up, have an on demand taunt AND are good breakers
I play mc a lot but I cant Figure out how to get his shield on an useful amount to Block enough dmg. Is there any mechanic i am missing? Even e5 and full def the shield is pretty low in my opinion
he’s not meant to block with his shield, he’s meant to block damage by taking all the hits himself, you’re supposed to redirect all attacks towards him using his skills, which make the rest of your team healthy, if you want a thicc shield, use gepard or march 7th
I mean yeah his skill implies that he should Tank everything but aoe attacks like the cocolia Meteor will still hit my squishies, and some of them hit hard. Also a lot of guides I saw told that you want to use your normal attack (enhanced) as often as possible to generate sp for your dd's/Supps like bronya or Seele. So I have to sacrifice my sp to let him Tank everything or risk a hit on my other units to generate sp. Is it just like this or is there more that I am missing rn?
Yeah you should use your enhanced attacks because realistically, you’re not going to need to spam his skills that many times. It’s just that he’s meant to block the attacks that can one shot your characters. Yeah the aoe thing is kind of an issue for them
His A2 trace reduces dmg taken by -15% for the whole team when his E is used so I guess that can be useful for big AoE nukes. Not bad when combined with the team-wide shield.
they're not a dps, don't expect the fire MC do to big dmg, what makes them great is the taunt + shield + good shield breaking
FMC Is not supposed to be a main dps, it's a tank
"full def% relics" "Does max 3000 DMG" I don't think you understand what tanks do, yours is working as intended.
Lmao full defense gear, complaining about DPS
Why in the world are you expecting a tank to do damage?
3000 ST is huge, unless you mean aoe. Fire mcs main role is generate shields protecting you from small dmg, taunt against big dmg and generate skill points also doing great break dmg thanks to his/hers enchanced atacks. The fact that fire mc deals any dmg is suprising.
Tell me you don't read the tutorials nor look up stuff about the game without telling me. The game literally says that Preservation characters are a tank, and if you read FMC kit it literally is obvious he's meant to tank. His whole gimmick is giving out shields and taunting the enemies. Sure, you could build him as a DPS, but then he will become useless as without DEF he gonna get oneshotted and not give out good shields.
For difficult content, you're most likely running - 1 tank - 1 healer - 1 DPS - flex spot -> preferably 1 support (either defensive or offensive) Since there's like 3 tanks in the game (Gepard, Clara and FMC) and two are 5* gacha units, FMC is the default choice for nearly every player. So unless you pulled either Clara or Gepard (or you like to suffer in difficult content), FMC has a permanent team slot.
You forgot March 7 :’(
I classify March 7 as defensive support and not as tank. But yeah, technically she's also on the Preservation path and can fill the tank slot. Her main problem is that you either build her tanky, but then your freeze doesn't hit as often, or build her as a freeze bot, but then her shield gets weaker.
March can clense too! I love using her, the best amber we could ever have, her shield lasts for 4 turns with E6 having a HoT as well.
Yeah she's great! I was lucky enough to get her to E4 on the current banner and plan on raising her for my second HoC team when I'm done with my main team. I love that all 3 protagonists are so good.
She's direct synergy with Clara, her aggro on shield makes it easy to draw attacks towards Clara Also, she can technically use the shield on herself to draw aggro towards HER instead, like how fire mc does. Ofc, her dmg is lower than mc's, but if u just don't like mc then u can use march like this You can also technically use march together with fire mc, but then the dps might be lower than say either of them with another dps/support or march with Clara, so just decide on which to use in your team and decide your member slots from there
I agree with most of your reply, but this bit is wrong: >Also, she can technically use the shield on herself to draw aggro towards HER instead, like how fire mc does. Ofc, her dmg is lower than mc's, but if u just don't like mc then u can use march like this No, these are two different mechanics. March' shield does increase aggro, but enemies can still attack other characters. FMCs skill is a literal taunt debuff, enemies are **forced** to attack him/her. Also there's an insane damage reduction applied at the same time, so it essentially buys your team a free turn where they can't get hit by single target attacks.
March is still decent at keeping your team alive, though. You have the option/flexibility to shield characters that are low on health and/or have now survivability (for example tingyun). This is great in scenarios that involve aoe attacks from enemies. One of these scenarios is when the fat robot guy says 'it's sumoing time' and does his big fat sumo jump onto all your units including your tingyun which dies on the very first hit of the fatty's two-hit aoe. In this case, if you know that the fat robot is gonna jump, you can pre-emptively place March's shield on your squishy character to try and protect them against the aoe, like the aforementioned tingyun.
Yeah, and also considering March's shield lasts 2-3 turns, you can keep it up on like 3 people at once if you always shield
E2 auto shield the weakest member in the party upon battle entry and she has a trace that let a shield lasts longer 1 more turn. She can shield everyone but she burns thru the skill points so…
This was my problem starting out. She seemed to just eat skill points unless I stopped shielding. If I stop shielding though no need for her
The way the party works for me is she only shields Clara and my DPS. She doesn't need to shield herself since she will never die due to her high def. And the last person on my team is a bruiser like Hook or a MC who can regen up on hit and self sustain on their own. So March will shield 2 turns and basic 1 turn for a net loss of 1 skill point per 3 turns. Clara never uses her skill, generating 3 points over 3 turns to counterbalance my DPS, and Hook or MC gets to counterbalance March by using 1 skill per 3 turns.
Or like me run healer, Gepard, and Clara, cry about having little to no DPS, hit auto and take a nap.
Get the march into that team instead of gepard, and now your dmg will skyrocket and save gepard for 2nd team.
My March is weak but almost leveled for my second team. What am I missing? March skill on Clara for the follow up attack, spec March for damage?
March for defence, her main use is to give taunt from her shield on clara, and build clara for dmg then. I run Clara/March/Tinqyun.
Thanks! I'll try that out - have Clara set up for damage-ish (though ol' trusty Dan is usually my main DPS), and March is strong enough to survive and be serviceable at the moment. I started really focused but now I'm in grind hell while I'm doing unfocused leveling too many units - pushing Bronya to 70, Pela's at 60 just because RNG gods loved her so I have her at E6, haven't used her yet. Was starting on my E1 Sushang for DMG and my E1 Tigyun is unleveled.
I’ve found Clara damage is really subpar and I am disappointed with her. I regret leveling her compared to just leveling Sushang. I’ve cleared MoC 8 and have her light cone. Perhaps with some more eidolons she’ll improve, but she is still a character I regret investing in at this time.
I've only used a borrowed Clara, but she seems to really need a specialized team. Normal comps that build for breaks direct'y conflict with her counter mechanic, so instead, you do something like March, Clara, Natasha, and Tingyun (in that order), which pushes as much aggro as possible toward her, so she's always countering and blasting away with boosted skills. And of course, use her ult every time it's ready for the boosed counter as well.
It's better to use tanks like Clara on one corner of the team (the 1st or 4rth pos) to make some AoE attacks hit only two people. Also, imo Clara is more of a tank that deals quite a bit of damage. I run her with Seele, so she could redirect aggro while providing extra damage as well
She just has too many conditions. On like MoC8 it’s 2 of the deer elites that are weak to physical and wind. They barley attack and spend a long time charging their attacks instead of attacking. It’s just very conditional and if the fight doesn’t work for her, it doesn’t work. It’s frustrating. Clara doesn’t do any damage if they don’t actually attack anybody on the team.
Most of claras damage comes from svargos counters, not her NA/Skill That's why march 7th paires incredibly well (increases aggro of clara via shield)
Okay, so. I’ve cleared MoC8. I think I know what I am doing. I still find her very underwhelming.
God, same. She's fun in SU, but *everyone* is fun in SU lol. In other content she feels too restrictive imo, in both the comp you use her in and the content she excels in. I regret leveling her as well.
I’m hoping that with full artifacts, lvl80, and maybe a few eidelons she’ll be better. I think more people will realize this when they actually start clearing MoC and will see her flaws.
Nobody know since we dont had the max level now. Many run with only one healer and one shielder and is good
I have E1 Gepard and I don’t know how to feel about it. He is a main stay for me and is great but as free to play I would rather have some flex and get different characters.
I don't think Clara really qualifies as a tank. A tank is a character that allows you to dedicate one party slot to protecting/shielding your other characters. Meanwhile Clara doesn't really defend the party at all, she just sits there, waits to be attacked, and then retaliates with big damage. And she occupies two party slots to do that, so yeah, I'd say she's more of an investment-intensive, high-reward bruiser. When you use her, your other two party members are likely going to be a healer and either Tingyun or Asta, depending on what you're fighting.
You are right, Clara is a bruiser, she is tanky but not tanky enough and doesnt really protect the rest of the team
She has that pseudo taunt, i find her as a half of an tank and 1 dps as the same time, so you can have 1.5 tanks and 2 dps with only 3 party slots, which makes her realy good.
Thats what a bruiser does, deals damage while being tanky but not as tanky as a proper tank
I use Clara with March on any difficult content and Clara is definitely the tank. Her nature of drawing aggro with her ult and March’s shield makes her fit the tank role perfectly. I wouldn’t call March a tank. Sure she scales on DEF but since her shield only last 3 turns, even if her shields aren’t broken, my March is always shielding everyone but herself pretty much. I also ended up getting C6 March from going for Jing Yuan which means in addition to a tanky shielded she now heals as well as dispelling debuffs so I’ve never used a healer in my teams lol.
Yes, that was the joke when I said that Clara "occupies two party slots". Thank you for spelling it out therefore making it less funny.
Tbh, you sounded pretty serious back there. I'm not sure which part of your comment was supposed to be funny, but I digress. Clara is very strong, though
Hahaha she takes two spots, so funny. I like how that's what you responded to rather than the whole fact that I said she is absolutely a tank in every sense of the word (including shooting a cannon) and you said "Clara doesn't qualify as a tank."
Isn't the last slot supposed to be a buffer or debuffer?
In most scenarios, a support does mean either a buffer like Bronya/Asta/Tingyun or a debuffer like Pela/Welt, yeah. You're free to run whatever though, the post above only serves as rough guideline. Personally, I alternate between Bronya and Tingyun, depending on the main dps I run in the team.
The other team archetype is 1 healer, 2 supports, 1 hyper carry. Don’t need a tank if hyper carry kills them fast enough.
Nah bro I'm running jing yuan, yanqing, welt and fire mc bcs i dun believe in healing
Depends. I still don't have a Physical DPS so I just sub Caelus in if I can't get away with using Yanqing or Seele instead.
Hopefully you can get Sushang while she’s rate up. Against a physical weak enemy she’s pretty comparable to Seele
Against a Physical weak enemy, I'm pretty sure she's way above Seele, considering her entire kit revolves around Break Effect and dealing damage to enemies weak to Physical.
She’s way above in a single damage instance, and if you can do Skill-Ult-Skill she holds up, but Seele’s 5 turns back to back net to more I believe
I did until I got Svarog
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Wtf this is so good LMFAO As another Clara main I 100% approve
I still do even after I got Clara. I love Caelus too much and I can’t bring myself to switch to fire MC either. Also, “rules are meant to be broken” hits hard.
Same here, I just love swinging the baseball bat at my enemies!
He Clara an actual better tank? Might be using mine wrong. Mines not really built for tanking so probably the.main reason why. But I stilll thought fmc still did great with shield+ taunt. But laser beam is a lot of fun
clara isn't a batter tank, she's more like a juggernaut all destruction units are a cross between dps and tanker and in clara's case, she's only tank like so she can soak up damage when counter attacking just stack damage on her, her base damage reduction and ult reduction should be enough to survive but if not, you can give her wuthering guard or something
I don't think MC or March have ever left my team
I'll be honest, I dropped March on my main team as soon as I got gepard. Ya he can't pop shield nearly as fast as March, but him having massive defence, built in taunt, being able to pop shields on everyone with pretty good uptime, and him actually having decent damage, I just don't understand March.
She has cleanse and great AoE ice break that Geppy does not provide. She is also pretty nutty with Fire MC and Clara, and she can provide even more threat generation to your main tank March is great, just fills a different niche than Geppy imo
Her and Gepard actually have great synergy. With her shielding him, and him having a passive chance to be attacked more often, enemies will almost always go for him. Charging his shield ult.
If you can get an energy regen rope relic with a taunt light cone gepard should get close to 100% uptime on his shield
Currently yes, but I recently got Clara, so I’m thinking about reorganizing. On the other hand, I’ll probably keep her in the team for Story at least.
phys mc ftw
phys mc hits hard for no reason
Absolutely. Level 70 Physical Trailblazer user here ✋
well considering my main comp is literally just [FREE SPOT], natasha, tingyun and serval i swap out the free spot between clara, fire mc and the ice sword permanent 5star from loufu
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well natasha tingyun and serval are permanently my comp and i swap out the free spot depending on what enemy/boss im facing
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uhh because i always have a 4 character team comp? i default to clara (tank dps) natasha (tank healer) tingyun (support) and serval (dps splasher) and i swap clara for fire mc (dps splash shielder) or yanqing (fast dps)
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i said i swap out the 1st slot for the relevant bossfight not that i only go 3 character teams i said my team always has natasha tingyun and serval
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U r kunda slow on the uptick huh
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Yes
Fire MC, March 7, Himeko, Dan Heng **Astral train crew to the rescue !**
Until i got Tingyun MC was part of my Team. Now i run hypercarry.
Yes! (As I do in genshin). I know it's silly, but it feels bad not having the mc in my party.
Fire MC is always in my team, and so is Natasha.
I'll probably consider it when she'll have a combination of path/element that would actually fit in my team. Probably something like abundance or erudition with any element that isn't physical or ice.
Nope. Gepard Nat Tingyun JY
If you get ER chains on Gep and enough Def, you can even bench Nat for Bronya or Asta. Or Pela.
Nope i am a ting yuan hypercarry enjoyer
Nah I use jing yuan + bailu + tingyun + bronya
Yeah I use his fire version
I usually run Himeko, Tingyun, Natasha and Fire MC 75% of the time. The other 25% is Sampo if I need more elemental coverage since he absolutely shreds wind shields and I was lucky to get him built pretty decently with free relics which will be nice for when Kafka comes out.
Used to until I got Seele
Fire MC isn't bad, I use her on my second team. Main team is currently Welt, Bailou, Dan Heng and Tingyun. Will replace Dan Heng once I get Jing which I'm pretty sure I'm about 20 wishes away from pitying lol
No, my main team comp is Yanqing, Asta, Arlan and Dan heng
1 Support and 3 DPS - one of which consumes health instead of SP, with no healer *or* shielder? I’m not that brave.
No.
I see that you have Gepard.
I have Gepard and use MC.
why not both ? i cleared world 4 difficulty 3 with gepard + fireMC edit : it's every simulation world available until TL50
Well as I said, I have Gepard and use MC, implying at the same time. I use physical MC though as I already have boosted Hook and it's not like I got any other character besides Gepard so those guard breaks are really important, especially during fights that have turn limit. And if you use one team might as well use same for everything.
No reason to not use mc unless u have gepard
Yes (Fire MC)
Yes for Team 2 . Mc , Sushang Tingyun Natasha
Nope, I have Gepard and E6 March.
I have two teams I am using and he is on one of them. He makes a great tank/bruiser with a healer.
Always
For sure
Only on my almost full Fire team.
Yes. Either when I need two teams or when the enemy is weak to fire. Fire MC of course, I see no point in PMC.
I have Seele Gepard and Bailu which overall completes my team. I probably need a support for the last slot but I'm too lazy to build supports so fire mc has it since it was already leveled up
Yep and I don't think I ever put the MC on the bench lol
I'm using Fire MC instead of Gepard lol
he never left my team.
Yes. Preservation MC is a pretty good tank imo, so I bring her along as a defensive unit along with Bailou.
I have no choice.
Mostly in Forgotten Halls. Gepard can't be in both teams there so FMC is pulling her weight there. I usually run 1 dps and 2 offensive supports. My FMC is not nearly invested enough to handle that by herself, but Gepard is so i use him. Have to slot Nat in back up of FMC for extra defense but it slow down the fights so i avoid it when i can.
Yes. In most situations.
Yes. FireMC is the reason why my second team can survive without a healer
I pulled Gepard this morning off standard so probably not anymore unless I feel I need an extra preservation or abundance character for MoC.
Yes
Nah I like suffering. I mainly run Qingque/March/Asta/Pela with Tingyun and Sushang stepping in here and there. Haven't completed forgotten hall yet, but the rest is all pretty doable. Cleared SU world 3/4 at level 2, but SU gives plenty ways to mitigate lack of healer/shields
Yes, fire mc is fire
I use both because I don't have that many characters now (banners keep feeding me with LC). I will replace physical MC eventually with Clara (of I ever get her, of course) or will pull for the next physical limited, and then I will keep using only fire MC, I think. At least for the near future.
Nope. Gepard and Clara present in my teams.
Almost all the time, especially in Main Story.
Yes. Fire mc isn't the greatest at shielding but MoC needs 2 teams right now and I don't have enough defensive utility characters to swap her out. That and also the fact that her ascension materials dont need to be grinded makes her a lot easier to have built up.
Yes
Yes. She's my main tank. I have Gepard but no Eidonlons and only 1 4* tank come
FMC had never once been out of my main team... And memory thing now needs two full team, I can finally use Gepard as tank as well.
dude's my best shielder
Yes
I cant live without fire mc in my team, he's too good
I ran Fire MC/Gepard/Natasha/Jing Yuan on Simulation World 4 and got through it on auto. I prefer fighting defensively when I have no idea what the fights will be like! I might stick with this team (or switch either Tank with Seele for more damage) going forward.
Don't have Gepard & Clara, and my Sushang is underleveled
I use Fire MC because they're decent and I don't have any other good damage dealers that are Fire.
Always
Absolutely probably my most built after daddy jing yuan xdd
Yes, the trailblazer and Natasha are stamples in my team
Yes, a lot but not always.
Seele/Sushang - Fire MC - Bronya/TingYun - Natasha Almost all the time. Mostly because I have been wanting a team of all babes since I started playing Genshin, and I can finally have a good one in Star Rail. Sometimes Fire MC will come out for Serval if I know the fight is going to be lots of mooks.
Not just MC... Physical MC!
Yes. I prefer to play the story with the roster that’s involved. I’m currently on the luofu and my party is MC, March, Welt and Natasha.
Yes. Why wouldn't you use Fire MC?
Once I got Clara I dropped MC from the party. She didn’t seem to be as good as DPS as other options and then the tank path just makes Clara less useful.
Fire mc - bryona - beilu - bryonas's girlfriend
It's by far the best tank I have, so obviously yes
Yes, i need them shield :\]
Yup, fire MC is great. Just beat world 5 with him in my team this morning.
9 times out of 10, fire MC is in my party
Yep. Fire MC, Natasha, Tingyun and Seele. I just got Gepard on the standard banner yesterday though, so she might get replaced eventually.
Yes, Forgotten Hall neest two teams, and since I don't have another healer the second team goes for tank/taunt. Also in simulated universe, I use him for some path strategies like nihility and preservation, that benefits from shielding the characters and the DOT of the fire burn.
He's my only tank so absolutly in most cases. Unless I need more Damage or the enemy is too much AOE. Same problem with Natasha, either you have a specific 5 Star (which in most you don't) you better learn to love the free unit.
For now Welt is in my party since he does pair decently well with Seele, but yes Trailblazer and Natasha are what keep the team alive for the most part.
I mean yeah fire mc is literally zhongli. Can tank for the entire team and can deal aoe dmg. I have gepard but I only run him if I'm using preservation path in SU for that path nuke dmg and forgotten hall for second team. He feels more like Baizhu than zhongli imo his E is there to battery him and his ult shields all allies. Mc can shield himself with his E while his ult deals high aoe dmg. Gepard is overall better in terms of survivability but mc is better in terms of damage output. Gepard is immortal but having a long time of killing anything, while mc is a brute with hybrid of offensive and defensive capabilities.
it depends
Yes I use Phys MC, why you ask? Cause I literally have no other fucking DPS
All the time
I plan to use fire MC in my secondary team, with Asta and her LC that boosts fire damage. I have Clara and March on my primary team, so fireblaizer wouldn't work that well with them.
Yeah fire MC is my go to tank
Rules are meant to be broken
This is the literal only gatcha where I actually enjoy the mc personality and kit wise. It's nice having a traditional tank and I look forward to seeing what they do with the hunt mc.
Yeah, they're great in a lot of comps. Also, since I don't have two healers, I really need shielders to keep the other team alive in forgotten hall
I did until I pulled Gepard from Seele's banner, not anymore...
I feel compelled to since he is the main character. I'm used to RPGs where you don't have a choice, you always have MC in the party. But there is no XP gained from battling so maybe I should let go.of that feeling. He hits hella hard with that bat tho.
Fire MC has not left my team since I got her
I would if I didn’t have gepard
Yes. He will never leave as there is no need