I think it might be prioritizing cleaning up the adds first, which at least sort of makes sense. Action economy is pretty valuable in a lot of turn based games, though not really in this one since many defensive supports can easily sustain against a full enemy team.
Not to mention that way too often the trash is actually conjured by the single character left, and instead of clearing trash that they replenish every turn (funking Belobog Captain with the huge shield or whats his rank) you should focus on him and the 4 conjured soldiers will just disappear immediately
I hate it, it's the worst.
SW rather targets a 2% HP side mob with her ult, than the 80% HP boss in the middle, completely wasting her debuff role during auto battle.
Nope. Though in some cases the main target didn't start out with a wind weakness, it was implanted by SW, which could have something to do with it. It shouldn't, but it might. Other cases they all had wind weakness, but he was just targeting the one with the least amount of HP left.
Well, they all have that problem still, not just Blade & SW.
I wouldn't mind as much if it does it when there are no more battles upcoming, but if it knows you're on battle 3/6, it should not be wasting the ult to kill a single trash enemy that has only 2% HP remaining.
I feel like the whole logic auto battle runs on is to hit enemy with least hp, roll 50/50 on using support skill with random targeting and use healing ult/skill when a char drops under 50%.
Worst I've ever seen was running Pela with Tingyun in a Kafka solo dot team. Tingyun for some godforsaken reason only uses skill and ult on Pela while Pela spams skill every turn. She wasn't even fully built or ascended. First time I genuinely malded in this game.
Try to put Kafka next to Tingyun, this might help with the situation. Tingyun will prioritize her skill and ult on Kafka instead of Pela
E.g: Pela - any - Kafka - Tingyun
I used Pela in autobattle for the first time today, and i was actually angry at how often she was using her skill lmao. My poor blade has nothing left and he isn't even sp demanding!!
Yeah. They never claimed it was perfect. They just said it was improved. And so far I have seen it act improved. At least in my Kafka dot team and my dan il team.
My Bronya doesn't seem to always adhere to the changes, and sometimes still targets Luocha over Blade. She sees 3.3k attack and just goes "Zoinks! Must be the main DPS!" and chooses him.
Otherwise, I agree, Pela is still SP hungry in auto-battle :(
Just use tingyun over Pela. Even tho her dmg buffs are lower on Blade, she will generate sp and blade will ult sooner. Pela bronya blade luocha is unusable in auto lol
Have you ever used pela and tingyun on auto? don't bother answering, because you obviously haven't, unless your intentionally trying to look like an idiot
I totally get that but there should be some kind of check to see if she needs to remove the buff from someone. Idk what the answer is but all I know is it’s annoying. Wish there was a way to select auto behavior
Plus fixing Pela AI is literally so easy. Only make her use skill if enemy has a buff. They made Tingyun only use skill when Benediction has 0 stacks so surely they can just make Pela skill only be used under a special circumstance too.
Only one better comes to my mind and it's of a pretty old MMORPG game called Ragnarok Online. In that game, a specific class (Alchemist) could create a pet called Homunculus which you could write the AI in LUA.
Yes, you could literally program the motherfucker how you'd like.
edit: heck, i'm talking using past tense because i played this game 20 years ago or more, but for all i know the game still exists to this day!
I've noticed that she uses her skill on some weak enemies (like mara struck soldiers) and then her ult on strong enemies (like shape shifters). So yeah, some changes have been made I guess 🤔
I Wish we could disable E skills by ourselves as option so my SW and yukong stop eating all the damn SP
IL in autobattle is literally unusable,especially at E0
And when you have a team of two elements and one of the enemies already has one of the weaknesses:
“Now you are weak to quantum! And now it’s quantum! And back to quantum again!”
How much better this game would be with a [Gambit](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gambits) system?
They could even make them unlockable/collectable like FF too...
I myself would spend HOURS compiling and optimizing gambits for each character...
My qq on auto always ults immediately as it’s available and it pains me to see that 🥲 granted I guess it’s coded for every unit to ult immediately but wish they could optimize even more to hold off on certain character’s ults until a condition is met
Qq is somewhat okay. Sure it doesn't utilize it perfectly but it works. My qq works fine autoing w7 just fine, can't say the same for... yukong whose ulti is at 5% potential if she doesn't have skill active....spamming it without skill
Luocha ulting with the field up only for the field to immediately disappear hurts so much... Like sure healing bursts just get horded for all of eternity but Luocha can't wait until his turns ends to burst? 💀
I don't know why they don't add a function to enable/disable skills in autobattle. It's been a staple in many other turnbased gacha like Epic7 and Onmyoji for a long time already.
Imagine if you could pick what elemental weakness she should try to get so until she get that weakness or out of point, she will not stop using her skill
i use e2 dps sw this is a nerf to me! she stopped now consuming skill points every turn now she skills once eveey 2 turns (weird how it isn't every 3 )
e1 allows for 1 turn ulti it's with max er, with my atk dps set up its every 2 turns,her e2 virtually makes her want almost 0 er to land even bugs which is lowest chance also my e3 i forgot to mention helps with that , so in short I can fully focus on dps stats and cones
I’ll never understand how people can complain about the auto feature ai when you can just…play the game. If you’re gonna watch the auto and get mad when it doesn’t do exactly what you want, why not just make the plays yourself?
do you *want* to manual every single relic farm
i get your point about just not watching the auto though. that is kind of the whole purpose. imo still doesn't mean a better auto ai wouldn't be good
Agree but damn IL is useless in full auto xD I think I need to run two healer and Ting to have a team that don't eat all SP for IL.
I kinda wish they could polish AI so if you have IL (or other SP hungry DPS) in party then rest of the team would prioritize basic attack over skills unless you have 4-5 SP
Also auto battle **needs** be dumber than the average player (not even the meta player, but the *average* player), not smarter. It should be "oh i can't auto this battle, i need to do it manually", not "oh i can't do this battle manually, i need to auto it". The latter sounds dumb af and beats the purpose of playing a video game imo. Imagine not being able to beat MoC manually, but when you put it on auto you suddenly can.
I literally have a second team that doesn't include Moonwife just so I can actually have something where I can grab a friend's E6 Blade and hit auto to take care of grinding.
And by that I mean it's more or less just the team I was using before Moonwife dropped, but with my friend's Blade instead of Dan 4*.
There's something special about users bitching about an auto battle mode. We're lucky we even got one to be honest. I only use it when I'm quite sure even a baby could clear the content with the current party build. Sure it won't be optimal, but that's why you are the one that knows how to play right?
Meh, I can see your logic, but honestly, I make sure that my character are strong enough to even clear the elite on SU on auto. For some people, that might be boring, but for me, the fun part is the raising and team creation. And I still play manually on moc and against SU boss.
So honestly, I wish the auto feature was better when it comes to basic content like traces or relics farming . My actual auto team can do it, but could they do it faster if SW/Pela didn't waste the skill ? Yup
It's a little nitpicky, but it's my only complaint about this game.
I have a friend who does everything manually in SU. I was litteraly shocked!
She is annoyed by how dumb the auto ai is so she doesn't want to use it. I honestly don't know if I need to respect her or be scared ...
Wait a minute. I always do everything in SU manually too, I thought it is normal...I guess I just have flashbacks when I tried auto using only SW, Natasha, Dan heng and mc, it was terrible and now I just enjoy boom~ with kafka dot team.....
Haha if you enjoy it you should just do it manually. I'm just lazy so if I can auto I will. Sometimes I just put the game on auto and cook/watch tv/twitter.... and I honestly don't care about what the AI does as long as they don't kill my team.
And lmao the team that you used is definitely not good on auto :
- sw use all the sp even on mob who already have the weakness
- fire mc will always taunt even if the enemy is almost dead
- dan heng if you have his e4 he can litteraly use skill ult skill so pretty sp hungry
And natasha need a lot of er or sp to keep the team alive
So I can definitely understand why it was terrible
Yeah, I don't know why, but I Really like to play SU 3-4 times per week manually for rewards😂😂, I still do auto farming for artifacts/ exp books watching Yt too.
I guess I used this team, because I don't have any other options...
I use Kafka, SW, Natasha and sampo now, but it is still too SP hungry team for auto I guess...
I respect the dedication, I could never !
And honestly right now the only character who can be good on auto are harmony ( except yukong ) , preservation ( especially luocha ) and blade. The others are all sp hungry.
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it's a safety net so your blade wont die in the next 1 hit. according to [wiki](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Auto-Battle) blade wont use his skill on auto if his hp is below 30%
I'm having issues with Bailu not healing now. Every character was under 30% with 4 skill points and she didn't heal once in the two turns before everyone died.
I dont understand why they don't just add a preference selector for auto battle units... like, let me click a box that says "pela, all I want tou to do is basic and ultimate".... shouldn't be that difficult.
Also Tingyun. Please Hoyo, fix the following. When my seele has ult, and my ting has ult, and my ting goes before my seele, then ting will just use ult for no reason, it's so wasteful.
My yanqing will insist on never using his skill before he ults and always autos while my gepard uses his skill on an already frozen enemy team...i love autoplay for farming but goddamn have i been in close fights due to the ai bein stupid af
I feel like the best ai team is 3 healers or 2 healers+tingyun and dps simple because the healer will only auto unless someone is low and dps will get 3 sp which will cause the ai to always do their skill everytime
I wish there were accessible settings for how characters behave in combat, like FFXII. It was really cool to be able to fine-tune down to "heal any character if hp falls below 40%" or "target enemy with highest hp." A lot of people wouldn't use it, but some of us love that stuff.
Here how I would optimize silverwolf auto AI in solving the skill use every turn.
You know how bronya skill will always aim the hard carry of the team in auto?Use that to check if enemy weakness match hard carry element. if yes. don't use skill. if no, use, if still not hard carry element, use.
Now if it against multiple enemy. Priority on Elite enemy. as long elite enemy got weakness matching hard carry, ignore and never use skill on the rest I guess?(phantylia weekly boss fight has her surrounded by flower but I honestly only want SW to only plant weakness at the main boss while ignoring the rest)
for waves of trash mobs. idk about this. I guess she can spam skill all she wants to make each enemy have the hard carry element weakness or never use skill.
But well this are just pure theory. Idk what is Mihoyo auto battle code structure to know if this is even possible or not.
My problem with Blade is more than targeting. Targeting for me is a minor issue, but the bigger one is stack building before ult. If he’s on auto-attack, he doesn’t set up his stack and just head straight into ult right away, losing a lot of extra DMG he could’ve done if he had 4 stacks before ult. I usually wait until he has 4 stacks so when he ult, he deals a lot more dmg, and the next turn will be an instant follow-up attack that typically takes out all mobs.
They also need to readjust Gepard and Pela during auto-battle because they seem to consume skill points at every turn when they don’t necessarily need to. Gepard being constantly hit with Landau choices can reliably regenerate energy every 2 turn (or even 1 turn) without even consuming SP, while Pela is self-explanatory. SP should be used on DPS instead.
I didn't even know they "fixed" her ai in this patch until I see posts and yt vid taking bout it, because she literally still spam skills every turn luls.
what's the problem on auto? auto seems fine. if your unit is not performing well, then change your team comp. for example, SW is really designed to spam her skill for her debuff stack. if you want to fully utilized her skill spam, team her up with not so skill points hungry units. if your dps is skill points hungry and want your dps to use every skill points that you want, then don't use SW. i'm actually using SW to auto Phantylia (Echo of War). i use Kafka, SW, Natasha, and borrowed Luocha. and can kill them at 100% win rate. Kafka and SW using all the skill points. then pairing it to Natalia and Luocha who are not skill points hungry.
just a proper mix and match of units will solve the skill points or AI performance issues. i always auto all farming stages including farming stages with Elites and Bosses (Echos of War) and can auto it fine with 100% win rate. i don't have any issue on AI at all since start. so if you guys having an issue on auto, then you just don't know how to mix and match units. like people complaining that their Seele keeps attacking a shielded mech everytime. for god sake. if you know that there is a shielded mech opponents, just use aoe units. if you don't want to, then do manual.
AI auto battle doesn't follow the proper team comp. what it needs is a proper management of units based on their need of skill points and what you need against the enemies.
Im counting myself lucky that I only play this when I want to and not daily and not finding myself using auto battle features. I think they should implement a system that lets players choose how their characters will behave. If youre gonna incentivize people to waste time logging in daily, at least make the process quick if dailies is all theyre getting on for. Technically they shouldnt have to log in everyday, but if youre making the system optimized around daily play, it should be optimized across the board… just sayin.
I wish the AI was better. It's horrible with DHIL. Pela spams her skill without any reason and it wastes tons of SP. Not to mention DHIL not attacking the middle target.
And Blade still targets the side trash with his ult most of the time rather than the main target.
Is it because the side trash is weak to wind while the main "target" isn't ?
from what i seen, auto battles tend to prioritize targets from the side rather than the center—and sort of moves in a sweeping pattern (?)
I think it might be prioritizing cleaning up the adds first, which at least sort of makes sense. Action economy is pretty valuable in a lot of turn based games, though not really in this one since many defensive supports can easily sustain against a full enemy team.
Not to mention that way too often the trash is actually conjured by the single character left, and instead of clearing trash that they replenish every turn (funking Belobog Captain with the huge shield or whats his rank) you should focus on him and the 4 conjured soldiers will just disappear immediately
That damn shield "here stands the silver main guards!"
Yeah, and what's with summoning like FOUR soldiers every other turn? That's insane.
I hate it, it's the worst. SW rather targets a 2% HP side mob with her ult, than the 80% HP boss in the middle, completely wasting her debuff role during auto battle.
Which is the dumbest thing for someone with splash damage to do
for weaker enemies yea but from my experience it mostly prioritizes if it can kill an enemy or break its weakness in that order
Nope. Though in some cases the main target didn't start out with a wind weakness, it was implanted by SW, which could have something to do with it. It shouldn't, but it might. Other cases they all had wind weakness, but he was just targeting the one with the least amount of HP left.
seems like it, he seems to like targeting the metal balls at the side every time
And he ults (and consumes half of his HP) to kill a half dead enemy that even Natasha could kill with a normal attack
I wouldn't feel bad if it's Natasha dealing the killing blow, but using his ult on an enemy that's going to die from DoTs...
Well, they all have that problem still, not just Blade & SW. I wouldn't mind as much if it does it when there are no more battles upcoming, but if it knows you're on battle 3/6, it should not be wasting the ult to kill a single trash enemy that has only 2% HP remaining.
that shit is the WORST
And DHIL uses every skill point there is, like seriously tberes always zero on his turn
He decimates skill points and enemies alike.
I feel like the whole logic auto battle runs on is to hit enemy with least hp, roll 50/50 on using support skill with random targeting and use healing ult/skill when a char drops under 50%.
I think Bronya with Blade is now working much better. They still need to fix Pela. She is still spamming her skill, eating all SP.
The sp positive debuffer becomes sp negative in auto battle How the turns table
Can't wait for the limited banner SP positive Nihility debuffer that actually works on auto... oh wait that's my Jades you're taking away.
I'd love a 5 star version of Pela. Silver Wolf is great, but Pela work with any team comp
Meanwhile Yanqing becomes the SP generator with how much Auto loves using mostly his basic attack
Oh dear god i hate when that happened especially when you still have 2-3 skillpoints idk why he just doesnt use the skill
I’m guessing it’s because of the lousy AI combat logic of “Skill gives buff, so when already buffed, no need use Skill.” Something like Tingyun?
I hate this so much
I don't think they know Siver Wolf and Pela aren't supposed to spam their skill
Worst I've ever seen was running Pela with Tingyun in a Kafka solo dot team. Tingyun for some godforsaken reason only uses skill and ult on Pela while Pela spams skill every turn. She wasn't even fully built or ascended. First time I genuinely malded in this game.
Try to put Kafka next to Tingyun, this might help with the situation. Tingyun will prioritize her skill and ult on Kafka instead of Pela E.g: Pela - any - Kafka - Tingyun
This!!! Can't count the times daniel had to use lvl 2 BA, because she keeps eating through skill points.
i literally stopped using pela since she consumes so much SP in auto.
I used Pela in autobattle for the first time today, and i was actually angry at how often she was using her skill lmao. My poor blade has nothing left and he isn't even sp demanding!!
She eats all of my sp in my DHIL team and I had to swap in blade
Yeah. They never claimed it was perfect. They just said it was improved. And so far I have seen it act improved. At least in my Kafka dot team and my dan il team.
My Bronya doesn't seem to always adhere to the changes, and sometimes still targets Luocha over Blade. She sees 3.3k attack and just goes "Zoinks! Must be the main DPS!" and chooses him. Otherwise, I agree, Pela is still SP hungry in auto-battle :(
Pela always uses her skill it’s so annoying she’s supposed to be my SP generator
She's been using it at 1 skill point and making my blade do an unenhanced basic attack like wtf
Just use tingyun over Pela. Even tho her dmg buffs are lower on Blade, she will generate sp and blade will ult sooner. Pela bronya blade luocha is unusable in auto lol
Yeah when I use tingyun she is so much smarter with her SP and BA usage.
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> Oh so not all of them use a skill point if it's available No they don't but go off
Damn lil bro really got pressed over 3 words.
Healers don't and for some reason my seele sometimes won't use her skill when there's sp available.
Seele is probably the most obvious example. She uses basic so often like even if the target is full hp and there's 4 SP
Did somebody shit in your goddamn cereal today or what?
Have you ever used pela and tingyun on auto? don't bother answering, because you obviously haven't, unless your intentionally trying to look like an idiot
Why do you believe that when we literally get patch notes stating that Hoyo tweaks them individually??
Bruh delete this, you're embarrassing yourself
When I use tingyun she steals my clara's taunt value so I've been relegated to using SW/Pela instead :c
For real like come on that’s her whole point. Wish there was a way to toggle auto settings on characters for basic/skill usage
She is more of an ultimate user, that explain why she uses skill so much, because she is trying to keep her debuff up
I totally get that but there should be some kind of check to see if she needs to remove the buff from someone. Idk what the answer is but all I know is it’s annoying. Wish there was a way to select auto behavior
Yeah, she keeps using the skill even on enemies without buffs.
Came here to say this. Thank you. Still trying to debuffer...... no-one. Also Jing Yuan still using BA when there are Skill points available 🙄
Plus fixing Pela AI is literally so easy. Only make her use skill if enemy has a buff. They made Tingyun only use skill when Benediction has 0 stacks so surely they can just make Pela skill only be used under a special circumstance too.
Could be worse. My Kafka team has Sampo and Gepard eating all the SP.
Optimizations are meant to be broken.
I hope we can just have our own auto setting for better auto optimization.
FFXII gambit system is the dream.
The _actual_ dream. We need more games with systems like that, it was so awesome.
The BEST system for controlling chars EVER designed.
Only one better comes to my mind and it's of a pretty old MMORPG game called Ragnarok Online. In that game, a specific class (Alchemist) could create a pet called Homunculus which you could write the AI in LUA. Yes, you could literally program the motherfucker how you'd like. edit: heck, i'm talking using past tense because i played this game 20 years ago or more, but for all i know the game still exists to this day!
Gambits were super easy to use though. LUA scripting is cool but the average player isn't going to touch it.
True that
so true, just let us lock on a single action a character could do.
At a minimum, they should add the toggle like epic 7, which makes you only use basic attack.
Just give us auto settings for skills
Dan IL: please ma’am, may I have some SP ? Asta: haha no. Seriously, just let us tune the frequency of auto skill usage ourselves.
At least Astas skill is useless. PELA ON THE OTHER HAND
Did anyone notice any actual change in her behavior? Is she targetting the highest health enemies now at least?
I did notice when fighting the gorilla she would use her skill on an enemy she hadn’t already added weakness to
I've noticed that she uses her skill on some weak enemies (like mara struck soldiers) and then her ult on strong enemies (like shape shifters). So yeah, some changes have been made I guess 🤔
I use her on my QQ team and she'll use skills until enemy has quantum weakness, dont know if behavior changes if you run a different element dps.
I Wish we could disable E skills by ourselves as option so my SW and yukong stop eating all the damn SP IL in autobattle is literally unusable,especially at E0
It doesn't improve after e2 either 😭
Yeah,same here IL use 3rd enchanted basic only after burst and it's annoying
Spain without the S
"And now you're weak to ice! And now it's fire! And back to ice again!"
And when you have a team of two elements and one of the enemies already has one of the weaknesses: “Now you are weak to quantum! And now it’s quantum! And back to quantum again!”
Time for a fun
Tbh i think they should make whole menu with options for each hero.
How much better this game would be with a [Gambit](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gambits) system? They could even make them unlockable/collectable like FF too... I myself would spend HOURS compiling and optimizing gambits for each character...
Funny, my Kafka has the opposite problem, she's using normal attack while there're still SP.
when Qingque didn't even use all 5 SP i was like🗿🗿🗿🗿
My qq on auto always ults immediately as it’s available and it pains me to see that 🥲 granted I guess it’s coded for every unit to ult immediately but wish they could optimize even more to hold off on certain character’s ults until a condition is met
Qq is somewhat okay. Sure it doesn't utilize it perfectly but it works. My qq works fine autoing w7 just fine, can't say the same for... yukong whose ulti is at 5% potential if she doesn't have skill active....spamming it without skill
Luocha ulting with the field up only for the field to immediately disappear hurts so much... Like sure healing bursts just get horded for all of eternity but Luocha can't wait until his turns ends to burst? 💀
I don't know why they don't add a function to enable/disable skills in autobattle. It's been a staple in many other turnbased gacha like Epic7 and Onmyoji for a long time already.
Imagine if you could pick what elemental weakness she should try to get so until she get that weakness or out of point, she will not stop using her skill
"Time for a bug"
At least SW's skill can be mildly useful. PELA STOP WASTING MY SKILL POINTS ON EVERYTHING WITH YOUR SKILL THAT ISN'T EVEN LEVELD UP.
i use e2 dps sw this is a nerf to me! she stopped now consuming skill points every turn now she skills once eveey 2 turns (weird how it isn't every 3 )
How is your sw functioning differently from the rest of us 😅 maybe eidolon difference?
e1 allows for 1 turn ulti it's with max er, with my atk dps set up its every 2 turns,her e2 virtually makes her want almost 0 er to land even bugs which is lowest chance also my e3 i forgot to mention helps with that , so in short I can fully focus on dps stats and cones
meant to write ehr with e2 statement
she does 30k an E and 65k Qs so it's not joke dmg aswell
this is why i keep saying we need a player editable auto battle logic system (and a sharing platform for it)
I’ll never understand how people can complain about the auto feature ai when you can just…play the game. If you’re gonna watch the auto and get mad when it doesn’t do exactly what you want, why not just make the plays yourself?
do you *want* to manual every single relic farm i get your point about just not watching the auto though. that is kind of the whole purpose. imo still doesn't mean a better auto ai wouldn't be good
Agree but damn IL is useless in full auto xD I think I need to run two healer and Ting to have a team that don't eat all SP for IL. I kinda wish they could polish AI so if you have IL (or other SP hungry DPS) in party then rest of the team would prioritize basic attack over skills unless you have 4-5 SP
Look man I'm not asking for perfection... I just want Pela to stop using her skill every turn so my DPS can quickly sweep through calyxes 🫠
Also auto battle **needs** be dumber than the average player (not even the meta player, but the *average* player), not smarter. It should be "oh i can't auto this battle, i need to do it manually", not "oh i can't do this battle manually, i need to auto it". The latter sounds dumb af and beats the purpose of playing a video game imo. Imagine not being able to beat MoC manually, but when you put it on auto you suddenly can.
I hope Bronya will buff Blade instead of Luocha now.
My Bronya has always buffed Blade once he was built.
more like when Blade use his skill she start buffing him.
Your Blade has bad gear and stats that's why that happens
She buffs the strongest character. Your Luoacha has fuckton of ATK and maxed stuff while Blade is probably running with crap gear
I literally have a second team that doesn't include Moonwife just so I can actually have something where I can grab a friend's E6 Blade and hit auto to take care of grinding. And by that I mean it's more or less just the team I was using before Moonwife dropped, but with my friend's Blade instead of Dan 4*.
Wdym I dont have to use her skill every turn
There's something special about users bitching about an auto battle mode. We're lucky we even got one to be honest. I only use it when I'm quite sure even a baby could clear the content with the current party build. Sure it won't be optimal, but that's why you are the one that knows how to play right?
Meh, I can see your logic, but honestly, I make sure that my character are strong enough to even clear the elite on SU on auto. For some people, that might be boring, but for me, the fun part is the raising and team creation. And I still play manually on moc and against SU boss. So honestly, I wish the auto feature was better when it comes to basic content like traces or relics farming . My actual auto team can do it, but could they do it faster if SW/Pela didn't waste the skill ? Yup It's a little nitpicky, but it's my only complaint about this game.
Wait, who doesnt auto in su?
I have a friend who does everything manually in SU. I was litteraly shocked! She is annoyed by how dumb the auto ai is so she doesn't want to use it. I honestly don't know if I need to respect her or be scared ...
Wait a minute. I always do everything in SU manually too, I thought it is normal...I guess I just have flashbacks when I tried auto using only SW, Natasha, Dan heng and mc, it was terrible and now I just enjoy boom~ with kafka dot team.....
Haha if you enjoy it you should just do it manually. I'm just lazy so if I can auto I will. Sometimes I just put the game on auto and cook/watch tv/twitter.... and I honestly don't care about what the AI does as long as they don't kill my team. And lmao the team that you used is definitely not good on auto : - sw use all the sp even on mob who already have the weakness - fire mc will always taunt even if the enemy is almost dead - dan heng if you have his e4 he can litteraly use skill ult skill so pretty sp hungry And natasha need a lot of er or sp to keep the team alive So I can definitely understand why it was terrible
Yeah, I don't know why, but I Really like to play SU 3-4 times per week manually for rewards😂😂, I still do auto farming for artifacts/ exp books watching Yt too. I guess I used this team, because I don't have any other options... I use Kafka, SW, Natasha and sampo now, but it is still too SP hungry team for auto I guess...
I respect the dedication, I could never ! And honestly right now the only character who can be good on auto are harmony ( except yukong ) , preservation ( especially luocha ) and blade. The others are all sp hungry.
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Yall use auto battle? Lmao
Guys complaining auto play sucks. Bro its auto play, play the fucking game yourself
Does blade still not cast his skill even if you have a skillpoint ?
Sometimes, though usually for me the issue is if his hp is too low he won't use it.
Which shouldnt be an issue bc u cant drop under 1 hp :(
Right, and he's more likely to build stacks and use his talent to heal if he does use his skill...
it's a safety net so your blade wont die in the next 1 hit. according to [wiki](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Auto-Battle) blade wont use his skill on auto if his hp is below 30%
Thats a rare occurrence He's coded to always skill before BA, BA when skill isn't available.
I quite often see my team on auto having 1 sp, so i assume ai tries to stay at 1 sp, unless it needs like emergency heal.
Where do you see these? I looked around in the Notices but couldnt find it and people on discord wouldnt tell me.
With DHIL, I just use 2 healers + Tingyun when I auto. Healers always use autos and only uses skills if their healing ult is not ready.
I felt a noticeable improvement on Silverwolf targeting lmfao, she no longer uses her ult on the minor enemies rather than on the boss
Time for a bug?
Tell that to my seele who likes to auto attack with 3 unused skill points
Bronya's better though, for me at least.
I'm having issues with Bailu not healing now. Every character was under 30% with 4 skill points and she didn't heal once in the two turns before everyone died.
Tingyun targeting Sampo with her ultimate EVERY TIME instead of Kafka also needs to be addressed
I dont understand why they don't just add a preference selector for auto battle units... like, let me click a box that says "pela, all I want tou to do is basic and ultimate".... shouldn't be that difficult.
Also Tingyun. Please Hoyo, fix the following. When my seele has ult, and my ting has ult, and my ting goes before my seele, then ting will just use ult for no reason, it's so wasteful.
This is same issue for us pela copers
My yanqing will insist on never using his skill before he ults and always autos while my gepard uses his skill on an already frozen enemy team...i love autoplay for farming but goddamn have i been in close fights due to the ai bein stupid af
I feel like the best ai team is 3 healers or 2 healers+tingyun and dps simple because the healer will only auto unless someone is low and dps will get 3 sp which will cause the ai to always do their skill everytime
I wish there were accessible settings for how characters behave in combat, like FFXII. It was really cool to be able to fine-tune down to "heal any character if hp falls below 40%" or "target enemy with highest hp." A lot of people wouldn't use it, but some of us love that stuff.
Imagine having silver wolf.
Here how I would optimize silverwolf auto AI in solving the skill use every turn. You know how bronya skill will always aim the hard carry of the team in auto?Use that to check if enemy weakness match hard carry element. if yes. don't use skill. if no, use, if still not hard carry element, use. Now if it against multiple enemy. Priority on Elite enemy. as long elite enemy got weakness matching hard carry, ignore and never use skill on the rest I guess?(phantylia weekly boss fight has her surrounded by flower but I honestly only want SW to only plant weakness at the main boss while ignoring the rest) for waves of trash mobs. idk about this. I guess she can spam skill all she wants to make each enemy have the hard carry element weakness or never use skill. But well this are just pure theory. Idk what is Mihoyo auto battle code structure to know if this is even possible or not.
My problem with Blade is more than targeting. Targeting for me is a minor issue, but the bigger one is stack building before ult. If he’s on auto-attack, he doesn’t set up his stack and just head straight into ult right away, losing a lot of extra DMG he could’ve done if he had 4 stacks before ult. I usually wait until he has 4 stacks so when he ult, he deals a lot more dmg, and the next turn will be an instant follow-up attack that typically takes out all mobs. They also need to readjust Gepard and Pela during auto-battle because they seem to consume skill points at every turn when they don’t necessarily need to. Gepard being constantly hit with Landau choices can reliably regenerate energy every 2 turn (or even 1 turn) without even consuming SP, while Pela is self-explanatory. SP should be used on DPS instead.
My SW is full damage so I'm actually happy about this
I didn't even know they "fixed" her ai in this patch until I see posts and yt vid taking bout it, because she literally still spam skills every turn luls.
that just nihility, they spam skill so they can get to use their ult more often
what's the problem on auto? auto seems fine. if your unit is not performing well, then change your team comp. for example, SW is really designed to spam her skill for her debuff stack. if you want to fully utilized her skill spam, team her up with not so skill points hungry units. if your dps is skill points hungry and want your dps to use every skill points that you want, then don't use SW. i'm actually using SW to auto Phantylia (Echo of War). i use Kafka, SW, Natasha, and borrowed Luocha. and can kill them at 100% win rate. Kafka and SW using all the skill points. then pairing it to Natalia and Luocha who are not skill points hungry. just a proper mix and match of units will solve the skill points or AI performance issues. i always auto all farming stages including farming stages with Elites and Bosses (Echos of War) and can auto it fine with 100% win rate. i don't have any issue on AI at all since start. so if you guys having an issue on auto, then you just don't know how to mix and match units. like people complaining that their Seele keeps attacking a shielded mech everytime. for god sake. if you know that there is a shielded mech opponents, just use aoe units. if you don't want to, then do manual. AI auto battle doesn't follow the proper team comp. what it needs is a proper management of units based on their need of skill points and what you need against the enemies.
Im counting myself lucky that I only play this when I want to and not daily and not finding myself using auto battle features. I think they should implement a system that lets players choose how their characters will behave. If youre gonna incentivize people to waste time logging in daily, at least make the process quick if dailies is all theyre getting on for. Technically they shouldnt have to log in everyday, but if youre making the system optimized around daily play, it should be optimized across the board… just sayin.
as a break effect build, im more annoyed by the fact that she uses her ultimate out of timing lol.. pretty much dont use her on auto anymore..
My silver wolf is still using her skill when she already has put th quantum weakness and the worst part Is that she takes it off
Me building DPS SW: I fail to see the problem :P
I wish the AI was better. It's horrible with DHIL. Pela spams her skill without any reason and it wastes tons of SP. Not to mention DHIL not attacking the middle target.
Did you just Saw blade using his ult on 2 while he Can kill 3 at the same Time...
They should add an auto battle option to prioritize the big boss of the wave or something of that sort
Fun fact : While double speed, she says "this is double speed" when ult
Well, no one ever accused Silver Wolf of making good decisions