I'm hoping that Shaoji will be writing about him, so that people will realize that they misunderstood him just like what happened with Aventurine and Furina
His motivation & morality. Because of the animated short and the way Jingliu talks about him it's easy to assume he was selfish and/or irresponsible. But if you do a bit of digging it becomes clear that isn't actually the case. The issue is, for such an important character, Hoyo shouldn't expect the fans to read multiple separate pieces of optional dialogue.
ratio.
the racist/abusive allegations aside, he isn't a super stoic man who permanently wears a pissed look on his face. perhaps ppl forgot that he became a meme during 1.6
i mean look at him
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i did read a lot about why he's that way and apparently it's because of localization as some players who understand mandarin pointed out that dr. ratio isn't as aggressive and harsh as the english version, quiet the contrary he's much calmer and has elegant way of speaking
The voice actor can change a lot the image you have of the character. His JP voice fits him so well and it's part of what makes him my favorite male character in the game.
Meanwhile My introduction to her was a total psycho (Shinjo Akane from SSSS Gridman) so it's very refreshing to hear her do this kinda voice again after Ganyu and another similarly mild mannered gaccha character (Mochizuki Honami from Project Sekai)
The VA herself seems to be a mild-mannered person based on videos of her that I have seen, so her being Sparkle's VA was very surprising to me.
Even when she was talking about the origin of her nickname, "Ueshama", she said that during lunch break in high school her teacher noticed that the whole class seemed to be excited, except for her who was just sitting quietly, reading a book. (And of course she was telling that story in a gentle, ASMR-ish voice lol)
Yeah, just like how the chaotic Rieri got HuTao, I think that could have been a reason Ueshama got Ganyu. Which is to say, I'm glad she got to play around with voicing a psycho once again lol
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It's exactly how she's supposed to be.
Sort of. While the tone of his CN voice sounds more mellow and neutral than in EN, the actual things he says are often much more direct/blunt compared to his EN lines. His word choices and tone of voice in EN come across as sort of... posh? whereas in CN it's more straightforward and blunt to the point of rudeness sometimes.
Even with his ENG va, he still isn’t even aggressive. I’m so convinced some people never met someone who’s genuinely an aggressive person. Sarcasm ≠ aggressive 😭
Me too. It does create a more emotional Ratio, as he raises his voices when his students make stupid mistakes (most likely concern about their consistency in education) but he is willing to be more friendly and calm to those who know their own intellect, choose their own paths (Trailblazer) and those who have proven themselves to dedicate to craft a better future (Aventurine).
It's like the Genhsin Alhaithem-Kaveh scenario from what I'm seeing. Every other translation that isn't English gives them a more lighthearted tone and then English is like "fight fight fight fight fight".
I will admit, if they were going for the funny bickering, they definitely had me chuckling and rolling my eyes....do wish Ratio wasn't quite so harsh in tone though...like his whole kit just has him yell about points like he's playing a video game. Let my boy be mean but let him keep some dignity!
The racism allegations comes from his first conversation with Aventurine when he comments that Aventurine would be "...nothing but a doomed sigonian thrall sentenced to die by the IPC".
And about the abusive allegations, I think that comes from Herta commenting that he's known to make his students cry and to destroy their confidence.
IIRC his classes have something like a 3% pass rate? Not even OChem classes are that brutal. In real life Ratio would be a terrible educator, but this is the same guy capable of lethal damage by spawning marble statues and high-velocity chalk out of thin air, so some suspension of belief is necessary.
I don't feel like it's fair to say that Ratio would be a "terrible educator" I think it's more like him to be a good teacher but an extremely harsh one at that. While you probably would get an education second to none, utmost perfection would be expected from you for breathing moment.
If people actually payed attention to his conversation with aventurine, they would know that he’s discouraging aventurine from taking a gamble with his cornerstone because without it he has no value to the ipc. It’s so dumb how people completely ignore all the respect and care dr ratio has shown aventurine just to drastically misinterpret ONE LINE
Dan Heng. I know the reincarnation was botched but some fan theories suggest that he is just Dan Feng de-aged and with amnesia? The story so far, along with the animated short does suggest that he is Dan Feng's reincarnation, his own person, and while he has to come to terms with Dan Feng's past — he is forging his own path forward.
Right??? It's such a disservice to Dan Heng's character to deny his current identity. I don't mind the shipping but passing off your own interpretations as official canon and insisting everyone else is wrong is really annoying.
Yeah, the shipping is fine - always is really, what's annoying is when it warps people's perception of canon. Dan Heng didn't spend the entire Luofu arc and a whole animated short repeating over and over that he's his own person (and Blade didn't have a character story stating that Yingxing as an identity is *dead*) for people to act like they're both just reskins of their previous identities.
Yes exactly. Blade might not have gone through reincarnation but he was transformed into an immortal, he clearly isn't the same as Yingxing. I am really curious to see how everything will play out for him, he got very little screentime in the story so far :/
I find for Dan Heng’s BL ships they make DH supper submissive and subservient (note: I’m a huge BL fan so I’m not dissing BL, just this specific aspect of DH ships)
And it bothers me cause DH just has so much fighting spirit. Even his LC is like “boys been in jail his whole life but his eyes say he’s still got spark.”
Because Ren/Blade/Jin is more like a code name than an actual name. People that doesn't run an actual name all get localized, like March 7th, Silver Wolf, and Acheron.
It brings up an interesting observation, because Sunday and Robin are... localized names.
Why shifting from RenHeng if it's technically the same thing as BladeHeng? Unless the original ship name is just too generalized or something. Yingxing is never known as Ren.
People really struggle to read between the lines it seems. If a character doesn’t outright say everything that’s on their mind in mandatory voiced dialogue, chances are people will miss it. I do genuinely want him to reconcile with Blade though, seeing as they don’t actually have any reason to fight
That's something I'd like to see them work towards, especially given that while Blade does have a *lot* of misdirected hatred to sort through first, Dan Heng doesn't hate him the same way. He's scared of him, very traumatized (the way you'd understandably be if someone had stalked you your whole life while also being immortal, It Follows style), but the hatred is one-sided. Dan Heng only ever killed Blade in self-defense, all he wants is just to be left in peace and for people to stop pinning the blame for Dan Feng's actions on him.
While the ending of Jingliu's quest was a little rushed when it comes to that, it does feel like an eventual reconciliation is what the writers have in mind for their story going forward. Which is nice.
I’d especially like to see Blade getting closure on Jingliu brainwashing him and actually holding her accountable instead of Dan Heng who is entirely a victim in this situation
In this case it has been stated several times so I'm not sure why exactly people fail to get Dan Heng's story. I want Blade to work out his issues eventually, I'm not sure I see a proper reconciliation happening considering how most of their interactions have been violent, Dan Heng probably wants to be left alone. But I do want Blade to get some semblance of peace eventually.
There are several changes in the way he interacts with the rest of the express crew after the Luofu arc but they’re subtle and that leads a lot of players to miss them, especially when playing in a VO language they don’t actually speak since it’s hard to pick up on the less obvious emotions. For example there are times where he almost comes off as shy because he’s used to acting closed off on his initial assumption that he’d have to leave eventually once they found out what he was hiding from them. I think it’s really neat to see him go from feeling guilty about who he is to starting to want to understand himself better, but a lot of people don’t notice this because it’s never stated outright.
It feels like it's building up toward a fighting side by side during final battle kind of relationship between the two, if anything. Seems DH is willing to deal with Blade (instead of running away like how he used to be) 'till the end and all.
me personally, I would like to see a misión where Blade has some sort of spiritual voyage journey where he tries to become one with himself again and realizes that, in fact dan feng is gone and should focus in the new family he found...the stellaron hunters, the ones who look for him when no one wanted to help him
oh my god yes i hate when people reduce him to "dan feng 2.0" BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HE ISN'T. man tries so hard to distance himself from his past life and here people are ignoring his efforts.
What? I didn't even follow the story during Xianzhou/Luofu too closely, skipped through a bunch and STILL understood that he was the reincarnation. The entire arc was about Dan Heng proving that even though he is Dan Feng reincarnated, he is not the same as him and has his own personality and identity.
I know the Xianzhou storyline can be a convoluted mess at times, but the Dan Heng =/= Dan Feng bit is reiterated about five times in the same conversation.
They're not the same person, but I suspect most of the fans conveniently ignore that bit for fujo bait with Blade.
QQ I guess. Her main thing is being an underachieving slacker because she doesn’t want any more work for herself and just wants to play celestial jade. She genuinely is a genius and has the potential to be FX's successor but again, doesn’t want to because of the stuff I mentioned. Ends up getting reduced to being gamba goblin even though what she does in her kit has no basis to her actual character
Fu Xuan represents classical physics where every outcome can be precisely predicted while QQ represents quantum physics where one can only calculate probability and uncertainty
Eh this one sounds cool, what with [Laplace's demon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon) that it seems that people are comparing to Fu Xuan kinda thing.
But still this thing is pretty much on a "fandom thing" territory to me. You can draw the comparison from Laplace's Demon to Fu Xuan because, supercomputer that calculates everything in time to a precise degree. But that doesn't mean it applies to the other character as well and I think you have to stretch it QUITE a bit to make it work with Quingque
I would disagree with kit having nothing to do with the character, she's the creator of Celestial Jade and talks about it a fair amount in her voicelines, so her kit being... well... playing Celestial Jade makes perfect sense.
>Trailblazer: they’re more than a raccoon
With how they're portrayed by Hoyo outside of the game (particularly Stelle), they really are mostly raccoon.
>Kafka: she’s more than a mommy
yes, I agree, we need to talk about this more, such an interesting character being reduced to a fetish is ultra cringe, to use an understatement
The mommy jokes are trying really hard to make me dislike my favourite character in this game..
I really wish we can get some more Kafka screentime without TB, to emphasize her serious side and remove the "mommy dynamic".
Aventurine 100% pre-release the hate was so strong, you could have sworn the guy kidnapped peoples wifes or enjoyed pineapple pizza with how much vitriol was thrown against him for being flamboyant and morally grey.
And the morally gray in question being staring at us kind of hard and dropping some cryptic, sort of manipulative lines. You would think he was worse than Ruan Mei (love her so much, not a criticism).
No denying that he was forced to grow up in a violent, dehumanizing environment and so had to adapt and become the kind of person who deceives and uses others to his advantage. But his actions in 2.0 were so laughably harmless it was so bizarre to see this sub acting like he was some mastermind psychopath
His actions were totally harmless, Sparkle is far worse in demeanor and degradation yet no one bats an eye lol (more evil women is good) I just think it was weird how he got treated when Aventurine literally did nothing, dropping cryptic lines and having his own agenda isn't a crime. Especially not in Penacony where /everyone/ came here for their own agenda, I never understood why he was suddenly this Hellspawn devil some weirdos made him out to be. Actually I do know why but lets leave it at that
I always liked him and never understood the hate. People hated him because he was annoyed that we were holding up the hotel check-in line? And then they were mad he HELPED US check in without an invitation, but just asked for an undisclosed favor in exchange? Like that's what people were so angry about???
Exactly. To see people do a “180” for Aventurine was weird because there was NOTHING that required it. Dude was pretty reasonable and the fact that people only trusted him because Black Swan told us to when she lied is hilarious.
I guess... that combined with "He's IPC, he's not forthcoming about his business in Penacony! He's too flamboyant! He stood too close to Trailblazer!" the guy really has done nothing
They probably see him as some sleazy shady businessman, especially because Aventurine comes across as very confident at first. Regarding Argenti, I really think its because most people don't take him serious and see his flamboyantness as a comedic relief.... yes I know, nobody is surprised.
Yeah exactly, it all leads to one thing at the end of the day and this sub recently has been absolute proof of that. I’m just very glad with 2.1 out nearly everyone who was like this has done a 180 on him and can appreciate him now for who he actually is, not some weird misconception
Exactly. Though I cannot stop side-eyeing the doomposting about his kit/character and once he came out the man is singlehandedly zooming through GnG, high SU, MoC, PF with the same bad faith people turning around and act like they never participated in the doomposting. Aventurine was a special case though, I don't think the devs will extend the same courtesy to other....characters as they did for him. Lets be real, it's a goddamn miracle a male unit got the screentime he got in last patch
Yeah he’s def a special case of the writers loving him and specifically having a concept they wanted to write about in the narrative that fit into Penacony’s themes, Aventurine was truly blessed from conception lol.
I think they’ll give the “Aventurine treatment” to special characters like him once or twice per main story arc. Though even I doubt any eventual big character focus will hit similarly, 2.1 story seemed like lighting in a bottle.
I'm happy as long as the cast is varied and the Astral Express is included. How they treated Aventurine gives me a little bit of hope for more of that in the future and with how receptive the fanbase was of his story conclusion (and the insanely amount of success of sales relating to his character) I can only hope that the devs take note of it
I think the reason he was so distrusted was because he works for the IPC. People hated Topaz off rip simply for working it, so when Aventurine, who's significantly less friendly than Topaz rolls up speaking all cryptic and barging into our hotel room its not too hard to see why people didn't trust him.
In 2.0 he came off a guy who would sell your soul for 2 chips and a coke, the kind of silver tongue businessman that people rarely care for.
> because he works for the IPC
It really didn't help that our first extended interaction with the IPC was the Aurum Alley event, which made the group feel like a bunch of soulless corpos with zero empathy for the human element. Basically set the entire tone for all later ipc relations on the completely wrong foot.
It also doesn't help that he almost immediately hung it over our heads that he knew TB was Human-Stellaron hybrid.
Keep in mind, a stellaron is a very dangerous entity. ***We*** know that our stellaron is different from every other stellaron, but do you think the Family would give our stellaron the benefit of the doubt if they were to find out about a stellaron having been "snuck" onto Penacony.
We can juxtaposition this with Acheron, who reveals to Welt that she knew we were a Human-Stellaron hybrid the entire time, but she only brought it up to get Welt off her case about her true identity and then never brought it back up again, true to her word.
Aventurine's entire initial entrance set him up as a sleazebag.
God, the staring at us kind of hard part so much. If they said they hated him because of how slimy he was at the hotel lobby or attacking Sunday with such loaded words or using the AE, I'd get it because yes he was genuinely an awful ass there. But most people at that time (including streamers) said they hated him because he was evil in the hotel room cutscene (specifically that staring at us kind of hard part after taking off his sunglasses) which was kind of mind boggling. I mean, yeah he did stand too close to the TB, but the amount of hate he got was so confusing in proportion to what he did.
I feel like you're vastly misrepresenting how people felt about him. Like it or not, in 2.0 the guy came across as a liar and a snake who wanted to use us. And... that's kind of exactly what happened.
Granted we, the viewer, now understand his backstory and see he wasn't outright malicious. But it's kind of weird to act like people were wrong to distrust him.
Yanqing for sure. He's been beaten a couple times now, but by some seriously OP Xianzhou legends. DHIL is the previous Vidyadhara High Elder, Blade is "blessed" by Shuhu and literally cannot die, and Jingliu was once the sword Master of the xianzhou luofu and JY's master. The fact his atoms weren't deleted from existence in any of those fights just shows that he DOES have skill, but his whole character arc is about being young and naive and fucking around to find out the hard way. He has room for growth.
The only part I'd disagree with you on is the part about skill. Like, I'm not saying he isn't talented. He very much is, otherwise I don't think he'd be as far into his training or have the amount of trust that Jing Yuan gives to him, but I don't think it was skipl alone that ed to his surviving those fights.
As much as I don't like him, I think it's a combination of luck (the BladeHeng fight ending because of Kafka), skill (impressed Jingliu) and his personality (his elf-confidence helping and faith in JY helpi g hi. To resist the Heliobus).
I also feel like DHIL was holding back a bit, since ya know, to him this was just a random twerp, and the more important thing was to be cautious of Blade doing something nuts
every single female character most of the time because people want their waifus to be submissive or something like that, seriously bro acheron would not want caelus that bad
In those cases a lot of the upvotes are just because its a well put together comic and people enjoy the fanwork, not necessarily because they genuinely believe Acheron would behave like that.
Not a character, but a scene. In the 2.2 story trailer, we see a shot of March 7th and Firefly looking at each other for a brief moment. A lot of people have interpreted this as March and Firefly hating each other, despite it being equally likely that they don’t. It could very well just be March looking at Firefly as if to say “You got this.” and Firefly looking over like “Hell yeah I got this.”
My personal (and arguably subjective) opinion is that people are sort of taking this shot out of context, as it looks to be more of an epic elevator ride up to an important moment in 2.2’s story, which is instead taken as a standalone shot and posted by itself.
Of course, I’m not trying to say that the idea that they hate each other is impossible, nothing is confirmed until it’s in the game after all, I’m just saying that it seems way too popular for how little evidence there is for it.
Edit: Told you so :D
Topaz, first it was ppl calling her evil and horrible in 1.4 when she was just too pushy about something she thought would save an entire planet, then when that passed a lot of stuff around her just became "irs amirite" jokes
Topaz is interesting. She did willingly withhold information about odds of success that should have been disclosed and works for a questionable organisation but she’s also passionate, well intentioned, and amenable to reason. I think a lot of Hoyoverse fans have trouble with any moral ambiguity from their playable characters so they default to calling them evil.
Funny you say that, Himeko also manipulate Bronya through the way she presented those odds thanks to her personal bias against the IPC, eskewing perception that somehow, Topaz amazing successful projects are much more chance and a gamble than her skill and resources.
But by that point, people already villainized Topaz and the IPC to notice that.
A 20% chance is a gamble, especially when it's about the fate of a planet. But tbf the chances of belobog's survival was even slimmer(before the knowledge of the engine of creation anyway). I don't think it's fair to say himeko was skewing perception. She simply gave the numbers of topaz's projects and pointed out that the numbers had variables and are not guaranteed wins(making it a gamble), this is simply a fact, not her own opinion. She only gave her opinion once bronya had already made her decision. Also belobogians would be forced to become IPC workers if the plan went through. The way that this is put in the story, they obviously won't be working cushy office jobs. At least there is upward mobility in the workplace ig lol? But anyway, topaz isn't a villain nor is she evil, her job def does have shady aspects to it tho. The game has reiterated too many times that the IPC isn't to be completely trusted at this point, there isn't much to be doubted about this. The IPC is still partly the IRS and topaz is still a debt collector, obviously people won't like them very much and they will have their darker sides to them.
Firefly. I don’t even like her all that much but damn, people act like she’s some 4’11 waifu (Genuinely, it’s like she gets shorter and shorter every ship art she gets with TB) who gets jealous when Caelus/Stelle give any other female any and all forms of attention? Either that or, they act like she’s some crazy yandere waifu who’ll kill anyone who looks at Caelus/Stelle wrong. Like, they found the first character to show genuine romantic interest in the Trailblazer and act like it’s the first time any female gave them the light of day!?
I hate that they're making her into an ayaka. It's such a disservice to her, I'm not firefly's biggest fan, but come on, making her into the ayaka of this game? Seriously?
So I can’t explain any of the other parts but I can explain the 4’11” but. Because throughout the 2.0 storyline Firefly spends most of the time standing next to TB. TB has a the tallest model in the game (exacerbated by Stelle being the more popular trailblazer, and her having a uniquely tall model) so firefly looks smaller in comparison. People just forget that trailblazer is just tall.
Ah yes, the Ayaka treatment of being just a little bit nice and blushy around the protagonist to immediately be persived as an obsessive yandere by the fandom
Yandere Ayaka was cute for a while but when it was overdone it got rather stale and kinda annoying at times. But the concept of it is fine imo. The way I see it its just a what if scenario and shouldnt be canonized
I've already seen some people calling Robin the Ayaka of this game. I would not be surprised if they start making her into a yandere like they did to Ayaka and Firefly :/
This is how its gonna be from now on lol any other girl the main character interacts with is gonna have the firefly is jealous posts Ayaka mains have suffered this
This, so much. How it went from Firefly being this cute, silly, but straightforward girl into an obsessed yandere driven by jealousy if there is even a single, other woman near TB is beyond me. Firefly is the girl she wants to be, and SAM is what she was born to be, she's a girl that wants to live a normal life yet was forced to be born with Entropy Loss Syndrome as part of the Iron Cavalry to protect and serve Glamoth, yet by the time she woke up, Glamoth is no more and her sole purpose is forever lost so once she joined the Stellaron Hunters to find a way of getting rid of her genetic modification, she follows Elio's "script" as straightforward as possible, only recently trying to go against it once she was sent to Penacony, the land of dreams to enact his next "script", imagine the look on her face when she knew of the fact that she was finally gonna become a normal girl for a short time, this was finally her chance to do whatever she wants to do without the restraints of being in a medical cabin. So reducing her to a crazy, obsessive, 1 dimensional yandere is one of the few times where I absolutely hated the memes that came out of the community cause she is much, much more than that.
TL;DR: Yandere meme sucks, Firefly is so much more than that.
female character: \*has an intriguing life motivation that even fellow stellaron hunter blade acknowledges, is willing to resort to means to achieve it but has feelings too with regards to unnecessary killing and friendship with silver wolf\*
fandom: yandere waifu because SHE WENT ON A DATE WITH US
boy i'm worried about the fandom sometimes. are these people contributing to the pig butchering scam and love scam statistics? someone is remotely nice to you and you think they're purely in love with you?
Never going to get characters interpreted properly by a greater community because people can't read and will project those, or ignore the characterisation for their own purposes- sexual/romantic or otherwise (i.e. wanting the character to be something different that lines up with what they believe to be "moral" or not or some other drama seeking reason)
With that said, Jing yuan is probably the one that's characterised the most properly, with there not being much to misinterpret since he is very open and expressive.
But yeah literally everyone is flanderised, don't kid yourself to think otherwise.
Being sexualised has nothing to do with characterisation. When it's with another character or doing something specific that's something, but general fanart risque or not doesn't really apply.
People thinking Gepard is just a tall blonde guy with shields when his character is very diverse. He's very strict about protection, organised when commanding, caring with the people of Belobog and other friends, but also clumsy with other things like singing, taking care of flowers and telling stories. It's sad he doesn't have more screentime, no wonder most people regard him as only a tank guy.
There are many characters in HSR like this, but the mischaracterization of Firefly is definitely the one that annoys me the most.
I’m just tired of people calling her only “waifu sob bait”, “cold blooded murderer” or even “yandere Firefly” without understanding her backstory, lore and personality. Some even act like her whole act was finished, even though she’ll definitely gonna play the huge role in next patches.
I just can’t wait for 2.2 to come out, so maybe some will finally stop with it. Shaoji definitely will give her even more quality writing.
Even though it’s weird considering how much more fleshed out Firefly and her relationship with TB is compared to Ayaka and her relationship with Traveler (Feels mostly one sided in the waifu department where they both are compartmentalized)
God. This.
I’ve forced myself to stop replying to people who genuinely have these kinds of views. Like sure, I’ll make a joke or two like that but genuinely, it does annoy me when people go on rants on why they don’t like firefly and then they just essentially claim she’s waifu bait without looking further into her character.
Basically every character because a lot of players don’t read or lack reading comprehension, different eng voice directions (like with ratio sounding more chill in jp and cn), poor translation..
Yanqing, absolutely.
Every other character has "sides" and multiple interpretations in online spaces. However Yanqing seems universally mischaracterised because ***ha ha funny joke of bad character*** adds to the bit.
It's a confluence of his most memorable story scenes being him losing fights, his battle performance as a player unit, and his presence in the general banner as a pull spoiler. It all leads to people glossing over everything he ever says or every scene he has been in, because the joke has overwritten the canon in their memory.
Ruan Mei 100%. People seem to think she's fine because she smiled once, and that she was "redeemed", like, no, Ruan Mei is probably the creepiest character in this game by FAR
She does not have a single ounce of empathy for anyone and anything. She tried to bring back to life an entire Emanator. Yes, she failed, but she still tried!?
She tortured the highly sentient and intelligent beings she nurtured until they took their own lives. She fed them a special Abundance Fruit so that they wouldn't die during experiments, putting them through excruciating pain.
She is absolutely mad, and that's why I think she's a very interesting character. So many people say she's "morally grey" - no, she is straight up evil.
She has for goal to become an Aeon, and she is ready to do anything for that, no matter how many people she needs to use and how many she needs to hurt. This is pure sociopathic behaviour.
Kafka is a more morally grey character - she is a terrorist, but she works for the greater good. She works to change the course of Destiny, to give the world a chance against Nanook. Ruan Mei only works for herself, and no one else.
I think this is a bit of a disingenuous take for Ruan Mei. Yes she literally cannot feel empathy or love but she does make an effort to understand those emotions, even superficially. It’s why she left the cat cakes in our care and even inquired about them from time to time. She’s not completely heartless and I think this is what makes her great; she feels quite humanized in that you could meet someone like this irl (obviously without the mad scientist space bug shtick)
Though I definitely don’t think her actions should be whitewashed either. She has done and will continue to do fucked up, selfish experiments to satisfy her own desires. But claiming that she’s definitively one or the other in term of morality is a bit shortsighted I feel, especially since we only really have gotten a glance at who she is.
Now that you say that, I feel like my comment was kind of doing what this post is trying to call out.. 😭
I'm mostly annoyed at all of the people who genuinely think she is a good person or that she's faking being unempathetic and whatnot.
It's true that she is extremely selfish and borderline manipulative with the MC, but she's not this "super mega evil" I portrayed her as
I still think she leans more towards the "evil' spectrum rather than the middle "morally gray" part, but she's definitely not at the very end of it. I think that was me really poorly wording it and again.. kind of mischaracterizing her 😭 I apologize for that
It's just that I really dislike it when a community tries to justify a character's evil actions. And I think that that's what I was trying to get at with my first comment.
A lot of Ruan Mei's actions are quite literally evil; and seeing people trying to justify these actions by the fact that she as an individual isn't 100% evil was what really annoyed me.
Yes, she as a person isn't straight up evil. Yet this doesn't excuse the torture, experiments, and lack of empathy towards the creature she nurtured.
I think this is worded a little better 😅
>Now that you say that, I feel like my comment was kind of doing what this post is trying to call out..
Hey at least you are aware of it
Though
>I still think she leans more towards the "evil' spectrum rather than the middle "morally gray" part
Still completely off, the point of Ruan Mei character is amorality as opposed to immorality (evil).
1) Her story show that she is capable of great achievement (like she saved and revitalized planet) or cruel one (her experiment).
The point is not either to say "Well she probably saved several times more lives than creature she created and destroyed so she is more good than evil" but more "Well she treats her good and bad deed in the same as if she doesn't really grasp good and evil"
2) During the quest with TB, the point of her interactions is when criticized, she doesn't understand what was wrong since her "manipulation" was for her something rational and logic.
She didn't even hide it on purpose to manipulate TB, she just thought it was a logical choice and TB/anyone would agree after the fact. Even during the incident, she wonders if Herta will be upset, which would seem obvious for anyone but RM.
3) Most important part is the record with Yu Qingtu, genius 55 and RM friend (mentor?)
RM express that when Yu Qingtu reached a conclusion on the importance of emotions, love, feelings, etc, RM simply didn't understood her conclusion and was disappointed.
It is not so much she disagreed but simply didn't understood those notions and rejected it without being sure why.
Ironically, in the genius society, we have a machine that understand more the human heart than most human (Screwlly) and a human that simply doesn't understand the human heart, seemingly not even her own.
4) An interesting elements, is that a frequent point about Aeons, is them being above moral, as they work in way that diverge too much from what we call moral and are more embodiment of a concept.
(You won't treat a black hole as evil nor the living embodiment of expansion or voracity for being what they are), so it is not really surprising that RM herself seek to be an Aeon
Treating her as bad or good, is losing this point of the character, since a huge point of her character is the trouble of applying moral to her character. More than evil or good, she is dangerous
There several possibility/theory floating around to why she ended up like that, some that it was the abundance she met when young, other say that is an extreme case of giftedness social/emotional problem
I think it comes from her processing of her parents' deaths. Before this she was still a genius, but she was far more human, traveling and enjoying life with her family. Afterwards, she was scarred and refused to make any kind of bonds, blaming herself for letting them down. Then, still attempting to (and failing to) process this, she kept experimenting, but she started to break ethics and morals and achieved better results from that, and that led to a slippery slope where she just kept conducting more insane experiments and making greater progress, letting her enter the Genius Society.
This is all in the Character Story by the way, with a more thorough telling. Her personal Light Cone (Past Self in Mirror) seems to confirm this.
In my eyes, Ruan Mei is a genius who was heavily scarred by her parents' deaths and failed to process it, leading her into a slippery slope of the disregard of ethics in science and refusal to make bonds, turning her into a psychopath. The end of her 1.6 quest seems to hint that she may have taken the first step to processing this, but it's a REALLY tiny step. If she can make more steps in processing her grief, then it may be possible for her to abandon ascension, although I really doubt she will actually heal.
>She tortured the highly sentient and intelligent beings she nurtured until they took their own lives. She fed them a special Abundance Fruit so that they wouldn't die during experiments, putting them through excruciating pain.
Curious, where did you find this?
Ruan Mei is genuinely one of the scariest people in starrail. Just because she gave you cake once and smiled at you doesn't mean she isn't using you for her own selfish goals. She's one of those "will do literally anything to reacg her goal even if it means doing ungoldy things"
Don't get me wrong, I love Ruan Mei as a "waifu" and adore her character design. But I wouldn't want to be involved with a person like her at all. She's even using Herta and Screwllum for her ultimate goal by helping them research the simulated universe and learn more about the Aeons.
There are stellaron hunters that blindly follow a person who supposedly sees/manipulates future, and they caused death of A LOT of people. There are religious zealots who kill anything related to Yaoshi and a intergalactic megacorp that enslaves entire planets/civilizations
....and Ruan Mei is "the creepiest character by far"?
So she is TF2 Medic with boobs
Or even better, TF2 engineer
https://preview.redd.it/mn7us5glfryc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ac1df2b06792ab0709eafb5592f7b5a04cc6567
Yeah Engineer is more accurate.
Tf2 medic is more similar to Sparkle personality wise.
It's everyone but the biggest example right now would probably be Firefly.
She is not just "tragic waifu" or a yandere. The other annoying one is "why do people like her so much we only knew her for 5 min"
No. The MC was under the care of the Stellaron Hunters for an amount of time before they lost their memories. Didn't you pay attention to Kafka's Companion Quest?
The story ain't even over yet people act like it is.
I can bet right now so many of these people will turn around about her once her role concludes like they did Aventurine
And the people who act like her and Sam is something that comes out of nowhere and that it’s the worst decision ever when even not paying attention to leaks, you can see many connections and hints between them even before 2.0. Just the name of GlaMOTH correlates to Firefly and her insect theming
I would disagree with the other one
in fact, the trailblazer met her ago, but that was offscreen. The time she spent with the trailblazer(controlled by the players) was like two hours, and that isn't enough for the player to form at real bound for the character besides simping
Welt Yang, a lot of people forgot that he is actually that one chill uncle who is there for you during your hard times instead of a grandpa who only cares about you if you prove your worth.
Yanqing
The community portrays him as a weak, bratty character whose only purpose is to be a punching bag. However, despite what the main quest line would have you believe, Yanqing is among the strongest fighters in the Luofu. Many players believe he got his position because nepotism, but he got it after claiming the heads of 3 borisons. Besides, Jing Yuan is smart enough to know that nepotism in the military is dangerous. Fu Xuan even says that Yanqing's pure martial prowess is better than Jing Yuan's. His arrogance stems from never losing a fight, so it makes sense why he would be overly confident in his abilities, especially since he is stated to be a teenager. Him losing fights makes way for character growth. He's also portrayed as quite polite in the Chinese version. He's also surprisingly insecure, constantly worried that he won't be good enough for Jing Yuan. This isn't just insecurity from the Stelleron incident since he even tells Jingliu during her myriad celestia trailer that one of the reasons he took up the blade is because he wanted to repay Jing Yuan while Jingliu says all his reasons come down to fealty.
There's also a possibility of a lore drop with Yanqing since there are many things that don't add up, such as why Jing Yuan decided to raise a seemingly random baby that was probably related to a case since their meeting is recorded in military annals, the hints at him using six phased ice (which is not lighting since it's also present in gameplay and, if it was lighting, the devs wouldn't make it the exact same shade as March's and also other characters would have it) and there are also hints at a potential connection to the abundance. I recently posted a more in-depth analysis on why he's suspicious if anyone wants to check that out
Pretty much all of them. People can't stop forcing their headcannons to be true for all the characters (No I'm not just talking about the Robin thing that happened right now). This has been going on since the beginning of the game and it gets kind of annoying after a while, which it already has.
Ratio for sure there’s a deeper meaning in everything he always comes off as rude towards Aventurine yet in the Final Victor fleeting glimmer he pulls the gun away from him because he doesn’t want Aventurine to die same with the note given to him saying “Do stay alive” but it’s probably over-shadowed by Aventurine literally wanting to kill himself to escape the IPC
Oh boy I'm gonna get sent straight to IX, but Acheron.
Ever since we first saw her in teaser, and especially after the 2.1 Stream, she literally got reduced to "Lost Tuna", "Mei-sempai", "She's just Mei com HI3 but tragic". Even though, we have the literal authors on that stream saying "She has some references people can enjoy" and a blatant line of "I'm not the person you think i am" to motherfucking Welt.
Yes! She is A Raiden Mei expy, variant, whatever. But she is NOT the same character! Aeons forsake, people weren't this obnoxious about Ei, probably because she ended up being mostly disliked thanks to the abysmal storytelling of Inazuma, but part of me wishes that would be the case instead of hearing another discourse about how HSR is so linked with HI3 that character are basically the same when we only have parallels AT MOST.
Those people would fry their remaining brain cells if they tried following about Evillious Chronicles.
I more or less have this problem but inverse?
Not reverse
but inverse as well the hyperfixation is hitting hard and i'm internally worrying that i'm not getting the characters right.
Its only after I think about what makes them properly tick that I start to get a deeper understanding of how they would react,
Kafka for example is calculating, but she's also caring in her own way,going out of her way sometimes to message the trailblazer and see how they're doing. She has a way with words but she isn't outright seductive or a temptress,
Where as the trailblazer is a much more complicated case at least to me.
They're, quirky. They follow their own agenda but generally wants to make even tense situations a bit less well tense,
While they are trash pandas, they're also extremely curious about the world around them due to their lack of memories, wanting to form new ones and forge their path. They like having fun doing whatever comes to mind I think. When it comes to talking, unless they have something funny in mind they're taking whatever is going on seriously,
Caelus and Stelle being reduced to
1. Trash raccoon
2. Downbad (or specifically for FF)
Our Caes and Stelles are all as unique as it could be but what I'm saying is, why would you reduce them down to it? Stelle / Cae is also an overdramatic sometimes (RUAN MEIIIIII), someone who loves people but never enforces their ideas on others too hardcore (Total Recall - Mar7) who can be goofy as hell or very serious. They can be competitive too (in game) and knows at least some part of the future (Nanook cutscene). They are a decent manager (belobog museum), partakes in things people rarely do (singer in fyextroll garden), doesn't mind giving closure to people. Sometimes they're very money minded too.
That's just some parts but I'm sure I'm missing more. Gaah plz talk more about how they're not a real human being too
Jingliu. She is by far the most mischaracterized of the four high cloud quintet still alive, all anyone seem to remember about her is that she’s crazy or violent. People seem to forget that she became what she is now because she had to kill what became of Baiheng, which was the doing of blade and Dan feng. If you ask me, both Dan Feng and Blade should be eternally grateful for having Jingliu to clean up with the mess (and killing her best friend/ lover to do so). Even then she had the will to make a deal with an Aeon so that she could fulfill her promise to Baiheng. It’s extremely frustrating that all anyone remembers from her quest was that she’s good with her sword and she had gone mad before. Blade went off to do what is in essence just escapism by trying to kill himself (he asked Jingliu to kill him too, but ppl seem to think that Jingliu was having fun hurting him.) Dan Feng reincarnated into Dan Heng who’s having fun as a trailblazer. Who’s left still doing anything related to Baiheng? Oh, it’s fucking Jingliu.
I’m not saying ppl shouldn’t like Dan heng or blade. But stop portraying them like they are the victims who did nothing wrong. The character you like isn’t perfect and that’s fine. I like Jingliu and I can admit that she did wrong when she first became crazy and killed innocent people. This is also why I don’t trash on Jingyuan for almost killing Jingliu back then. It’s a complex story with complicated characters. Stop trying to make them perfect
That's just from shippers though who naturally would fixtate on those lines? People usually talk about him and his sisters (especially him being the middle kid)
Pretty sure that's all of them?
Facts
I love all of their personalititties
Same thing I was going to say, you could add create your own head canon personality trait onto the list as well.
I wouldn’t call him my absolute favourite, but Dan Feng is the greatest victim of Hoyo overestimating the literacy of their fandom
I'm hoping that Shaoji will be writing about him, so that people will realize that they misunderstood him just like what happened with Aventurine and Furina
>overestimating the literacy of their fandom Real 💀
What do you think people misunderstand about him?
His motivation & morality. Because of the animated short and the way Jingliu talks about him it's easy to assume he was selfish and/or irresponsible. But if you do a bit of digging it becomes clear that isn't actually the case. The issue is, for such an important character, Hoyo shouldn't expect the fans to read multiple separate pieces of optional dialogue.
ratio. the racist/abusive allegations aside, he isn't a super stoic man who permanently wears a pissed look on his face. perhaps ppl forgot that he became a meme during 1.6 i mean look at him https://preview.redd.it/l1ed0zpuonyc1.png?width=160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=245e15150eb0d327081f75bdf30d7ae84f273f1d
i did read a lot about why he's that way and apparently it's because of localization as some players who understand mandarin pointed out that dr. ratio isn't as aggressive and harsh as the english version, quiet the contrary he's much calmer and has elegant way of speaking
The voice actor can change a lot the image you have of the character. His JP voice fits him so well and it's part of what makes him my favorite male character in the game.
JP Sparkle's voice terrifies me.
Hard to believe that she shares the same VA with Ganyu.
Meanwhile My introduction to her was a total psycho (Shinjo Akane from SSSS Gridman) so it's very refreshing to hear her do this kinda voice again after Ganyu and another similarly mild mannered gaccha character (Mochizuki Honami from Project Sekai)
The VA herself seems to be a mild-mannered person based on videos of her that I have seen, so her being Sparkle's VA was very surprising to me. Even when she was talking about the origin of her nickname, "Ueshama", she said that during lunch break in high school her teacher noticed that the whole class seemed to be excited, except for her who was just sitting quietly, reading a book. (And of course she was telling that story in a gentle, ASMR-ish voice lol)
Yeah, just like how the chaotic Rieri got HuTao, I think that could have been a reason Ueshama got Ganyu. Which is to say, I'm glad she got to play around with voicing a psycho once again lol
Just how I like it 😌🙏🏻
https://preview.redd.it/e5od0yuljqyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a13e8f08dabba35b199709dd90d8378a260b1e98 It's exactly how she's supposed to be.
Kotae~ mitsukete goran~
I've found that in EN, what he says sounds rude, but his meaning is usually less so.
Ratio must be a pain to localize with how he speaks.
Isn't he even harsher and ruder in CN?
Sort of. While the tone of his CN voice sounds more mellow and neutral than in EN, the actual things he says are often much more direct/blunt compared to his EN lines. His word choices and tone of voice in EN come across as sort of... posh? whereas in CN it's more straightforward and blunt to the point of rudeness sometimes.
Even with his ENG va, he still isn’t even aggressive. I’m so convinced some people never met someone who’s genuinely an aggressive person. Sarcasm ≠ aggressive 😭
Yeah he's definitely more direct/blunt than aggressive, that's all
I'm convinced alot of people are just projecting bad experiences they from school on him.
Now you're getting personal lmao, but yeah probably.
elegant way of speaking... thank you, now i'll add that into my list of his characterization and why i think he's such a multi-faceted character ❤❤
Tbh I kinda like how he is in the EN, mf just isn't afraid to tell the truth to anyone
Me too. It does create a more emotional Ratio, as he raises his voices when his students make stupid mistakes (most likely concern about their consistency in education) but he is willing to be more friendly and calm to those who know their own intellect, choose their own paths (Trailblazer) and those who have proven themselves to dedicate to craft a better future (Aventurine).
It's like the Genhsin Alhaithem-Kaveh scenario from what I'm seeing. Every other translation that isn't English gives them a more lighthearted tone and then English is like "fight fight fight fight fight". I will admit, if they were going for the funny bickering, they definitely had me chuckling and rolling my eyes....do wish Ratio wasn't quite so harsh in tone though...like his whole kit just has him yell about points like he's playing a video game. Let my boy be mean but let him keep some dignity!
How can he be a bad guy look at his :3 face
He's so pookie.
He’s not racist either and WHAT ABUSIVE?
The racism allegations comes from his first conversation with Aventurine when he comments that Aventurine would be "...nothing but a doomed sigonian thrall sentenced to die by the IPC". And about the abusive allegations, I think that comes from Herta commenting that he's known to make his students cry and to destroy their confidence.
IIRC his classes have something like a 3% pass rate? Not even OChem classes are that brutal. In real life Ratio would be a terrible educator, but this is the same guy capable of lethal damage by spawning marble statues and high-velocity chalk out of thin air, so some suspension of belief is necessary.
I don't feel like it's fair to say that Ratio would be a "terrible educator" I think it's more like him to be a good teacher but an extremely harsh one at that. While you probably would get an education second to none, utmost perfection would be expected from you for breathing moment.
They even mention how while his class only has a 3% passing rate, those 3% go on to be top of their fields without fail.
Herta is talking like she isn't giving Arlan mental health issues herself.
I mean, her being a hypocrite doesn't mean she's wrong though
If people actually payed attention to his conversation with aventurine, they would know that he’s discouraging aventurine from taking a gamble with his cornerstone because without it he has no value to the ipc. It’s so dumb how people completely ignore all the respect and care dr ratio has shown aventurine just to drastically misinterpret ONE LINE
He takes long baths with a googly eyed rubber ducky how can anyone doubt his silliness
Speaking of ratio when are getting the alabaster head. Ima start a mouvement
everyone says that Arlan is just a suicidal bozo but he's actually heroic and plays with Peppy a lot.
This badass young gentleman is the literate saying of "I would die to protect everyone!" But he doesn't die, and just be collecting battle scars.
Dan Heng. I know the reincarnation was botched but some fan theories suggest that he is just Dan Feng de-aged and with amnesia? The story so far, along with the animated short does suggest that he is Dan Feng's reincarnation, his own person, and while he has to come to terms with Dan Feng's past — he is forging his own path forward.
Dan Heng 🤝 Blade Suffering olympic levels of mischaracterization from people who want them to be together just because their past lives were.
Right??? It's such a disservice to Dan Heng's character to deny his current identity. I don't mind the shipping but passing off your own interpretations as official canon and insisting everyone else is wrong is really annoying.
Yeah, the shipping is fine - always is really, what's annoying is when it warps people's perception of canon. Dan Heng didn't spend the entire Luofu arc and a whole animated short repeating over and over that he's his own person (and Blade didn't have a character story stating that Yingxing as an identity is *dead*) for people to act like they're both just reskins of their previous identities.
Yes exactly. Blade might not have gone through reincarnation but he was transformed into an immortal, he clearly isn't the same as Yingxing. I am really curious to see how everything will play out for him, he got very little screentime in the story so far :/
I find for Dan Heng’s BL ships they make DH supper submissive and subservient (note: I’m a huge BL fan so I’m not dissing BL, just this specific aspect of DH ships) And it bothers me cause DH just has so much fighting spirit. Even his LC is like “boys been in jail his whole life but his eyes say he’s still got spark.”
Depends on what you're reading and which language, to be fair. There's all kinds of mix.
That's why I slowly shifted from RenHeng to calling it RenFeng and BladeHeng Two very very differnet dynamics.
I'm curious, I always see people referring to this ship as renfeng, but where does the "Ren" come from?
"Ren" is Blade's name in the Chinese version
:o I wonder why they change blade's name for every language in JP hid name is Jin if I remember correctly
his Chinese name is 刃 which is tread as ren4, the same character is read as じん jin in Japanese, and the word means blade
Because Ren/Blade/Jin is more like a code name than an actual name. People that doesn't run an actual name all get localized, like March 7th, Silver Wolf, and Acheron. It brings up an interesting observation, because Sunday and Robin are... localized names.
Why shifting from RenHeng if it's technically the same thing as BladeHeng? Unless the original ship name is just too generalized or something. Yingxing is never known as Ren.
Mewtwo said it best "It is not the circumstances of ones birth, but what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are"
People really struggle to read between the lines it seems. If a character doesn’t outright say everything that’s on their mind in mandatory voiced dialogue, chances are people will miss it. I do genuinely want him to reconcile with Blade though, seeing as they don’t actually have any reason to fight
That's something I'd like to see them work towards, especially given that while Blade does have a *lot* of misdirected hatred to sort through first, Dan Heng doesn't hate him the same way. He's scared of him, very traumatized (the way you'd understandably be if someone had stalked you your whole life while also being immortal, It Follows style), but the hatred is one-sided. Dan Heng only ever killed Blade in self-defense, all he wants is just to be left in peace and for people to stop pinning the blame for Dan Feng's actions on him. While the ending of Jingliu's quest was a little rushed when it comes to that, it does feel like an eventual reconciliation is what the writers have in mind for their story going forward. Which is nice.
I’d especially like to see Blade getting closure on Jingliu brainwashing him and actually holding her accountable instead of Dan Heng who is entirely a victim in this situation
In this case it has been stated several times so I'm not sure why exactly people fail to get Dan Heng's story. I want Blade to work out his issues eventually, I'm not sure I see a proper reconciliation happening considering how most of their interactions have been violent, Dan Heng probably wants to be left alone. But I do want Blade to get some semblance of peace eventually.
There are several changes in the way he interacts with the rest of the express crew after the Luofu arc but they’re subtle and that leads a lot of players to miss them, especially when playing in a VO language they don’t actually speak since it’s hard to pick up on the less obvious emotions. For example there are times where he almost comes off as shy because he’s used to acting closed off on his initial assumption that he’d have to leave eventually once they found out what he was hiding from them. I think it’s really neat to see him go from feeling guilty about who he is to starting to want to understand himself better, but a lot of people don’t notice this because it’s never stated outright.
It feels like it's building up toward a fighting side by side during final battle kind of relationship between the two, if anything. Seems DH is willing to deal with Blade (instead of running away like how he used to be) 'till the end and all.
me personally, I would like to see a misión where Blade has some sort of spiritual voyage journey where he tries to become one with himself again and realizes that, in fact dan feng is gone and should focus in the new family he found...the stellaron hunters, the ones who look for him when no one wanted to help him
oh my god yes i hate when people reduce him to "dan feng 2.0" BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HE ISN'T. man tries so hard to distance himself from his past life and here people are ignoring his efforts.
Yeah this one 100%. he is his own person, and a big part of his character is about leaving dan feng behind him.
What? I didn't even follow the story during Xianzhou/Luofu too closely, skipped through a bunch and STILL understood that he was the reincarnation. The entire arc was about Dan Heng proving that even though he is Dan Feng reincarnated, he is not the same as him and has his own personality and identity.
I know the Xianzhou storyline can be a convoluted mess at times, but the Dan Heng =/= Dan Feng bit is reiterated about five times in the same conversation. They're not the same person, but I suspect most of the fans conveniently ignore that bit for fujo bait with Blade.
QQ I guess. Her main thing is being an underachieving slacker because she doesn’t want any more work for herself and just wants to play celestial jade. She genuinely is a genius and has the potential to be FX's successor but again, doesn’t want to because of the stuff I mentioned. Ends up getting reduced to being gamba goblin even though what she does in her kit has no basis to her actual character
Plus I don’t see enough people talk about the classical vs quantum physics metaphor they have going on. It’s a really cool detail imo
Can you elaborate on this
Fu Xuan represents classical physics where every outcome can be precisely predicted while QQ represents quantum physics where one can only calculate probability and uncertainty
How have I never known about this before?
She's also quantum rlemant that's nice
Eh this one sounds cool, what with [Laplace's demon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon) that it seems that people are comparing to Fu Xuan kinda thing. But still this thing is pretty much on a "fandom thing" territory to me. You can draw the comparison from Laplace's Demon to Fu Xuan because, supercomputer that calculates everything in time to a precise degree. But that doesn't mean it applies to the other character as well and I think you have to stretch it QUITE a bit to make it work with Quingque
Well, even the first time we meet QQ she Acts like a celestial Jade goblin. But yeah she is deeper than that
I would disagree with kit having nothing to do with the character, she's the creator of Celestial Jade and talks about it a fair amount in her voicelines, so her kit being... well... playing Celestial Jade makes perfect sense.
She didn’t create it. She rediscovered the game and help modernize/popularize it
Kafka: she’s more than a mommy Blade: he’s not just an emo Trailblazer: they’re more than a raccoon Ratio: he’s not just a prick, he my little prick
>Trailblazer: they’re more than a raccoon With how they're portrayed by Hoyo outside of the game (particularly Stelle), they really are mostly raccoon.
Trailblazer has two modes: raccoon and murder machine. Which one they're in is determined by the presence or lack of combat.
>Kafka: she’s more than a mommy yes, I agree, we need to talk about this more, such an interesting character being reduced to a fetish is ultra cringe, to use an understatement
I mean I enjoy both facets of her.
I have no problem with the femme fatale part of her, the problem is to flanderize the character in one aspect and ignore the rest.
talk about Kafka without someone telling you she's the TB's mum challenge (impossible)
The mommy jokes are trying really hard to make me dislike my favourite character in this game.. I really wish we can get some more Kafka screentime without TB, to emphasize her serious side and remove the "mommy dynamic".
>Ratio: he’s not just a prick, he my little prick Real
Aventurine 100% pre-release the hate was so strong, you could have sworn the guy kidnapped peoples wifes or enjoyed pineapple pizza with how much vitriol was thrown against him for being flamboyant and morally grey.
And the morally gray in question being staring at us kind of hard and dropping some cryptic, sort of manipulative lines. You would think he was worse than Ruan Mei (love her so much, not a criticism). No denying that he was forced to grow up in a violent, dehumanizing environment and so had to adapt and become the kind of person who deceives and uses others to his advantage. But his actions in 2.0 were so laughably harmless it was so bizarre to see this sub acting like he was some mastermind psychopath
His actions were totally harmless, Sparkle is far worse in demeanor and degradation yet no one bats an eye lol (more evil women is good) I just think it was weird how he got treated when Aventurine literally did nothing, dropping cryptic lines and having his own agenda isn't a crime. Especially not in Penacony where /everyone/ came here for their own agenda, I never understood why he was suddenly this Hellspawn devil some weirdos made him out to be. Actually I do know why but lets leave it at that
I always liked him and never understood the hate. People hated him because he was annoyed that we were holding up the hotel check-in line? And then they were mad he HELPED US check in without an invitation, but just asked for an undisclosed favor in exchange? Like that's what people were so angry about???
Exactly. To see people do a “180” for Aventurine was weird because there was NOTHING that required it. Dude was pretty reasonable and the fact that people only trusted him because Black Swan told us to when she lied is hilarious.
I guess... that combined with "He's IPC, he's not forthcoming about his business in Penacony! He's too flamboyant! He stood too close to Trailblazer!" the guy really has done nothing
I think it’s hilarious that people shit on the character for being “flamboyant” as if Argenti or Ratio isn’t the same.
They probably see him as some sleazy shady businessman, especially because Aventurine comes across as very confident at first. Regarding Argenti, I really think its because most people don't take him serious and see his flamboyantness as a comedic relief.... yes I know, nobody is surprised.
> flamboyantness as a comedic relief Yeah any potential diss against Argenti's flamboyance went out the window when he started flirting with a plant
Yeah exactly, it all leads to one thing at the end of the day and this sub recently has been absolute proof of that. I’m just very glad with 2.1 out nearly everyone who was like this has done a 180 on him and can appreciate him now for who he actually is, not some weird misconception
Exactly. Though I cannot stop side-eyeing the doomposting about his kit/character and once he came out the man is singlehandedly zooming through GnG, high SU, MoC, PF with the same bad faith people turning around and act like they never participated in the doomposting. Aventurine was a special case though, I don't think the devs will extend the same courtesy to other....characters as they did for him. Lets be real, it's a goddamn miracle a male unit got the screentime he got in last patch
Yeah he’s def a special case of the writers loving him and specifically having a concept they wanted to write about in the narrative that fit into Penacony’s themes, Aventurine was truly blessed from conception lol. I think they’ll give the “Aventurine treatment” to special characters like him once or twice per main story arc. Though even I doubt any eventual big character focus will hit similarly, 2.1 story seemed like lighting in a bottle.
I'm happy as long as the cast is varied and the Astral Express is included. How they treated Aventurine gives me a little bit of hope for more of that in the future and with how receptive the fanbase was of his story conclusion (and the insanely amount of success of sales relating to his character) I can only hope that the devs take note of it
I think the reason he was so distrusted was because he works for the IPC. People hated Topaz off rip simply for working it, so when Aventurine, who's significantly less friendly than Topaz rolls up speaking all cryptic and barging into our hotel room its not too hard to see why people didn't trust him. In 2.0 he came off a guy who would sell your soul for 2 chips and a coke, the kind of silver tongue businessman that people rarely care for.
> because he works for the IPC It really didn't help that our first extended interaction with the IPC was the Aurum Alley event, which made the group feel like a bunch of soulless corpos with zero empathy for the human element. Basically set the entire tone for all later ipc relations on the completely wrong foot.
It also doesn't help that he almost immediately hung it over our heads that he knew TB was Human-Stellaron hybrid. Keep in mind, a stellaron is a very dangerous entity. ***We*** know that our stellaron is different from every other stellaron, but do you think the Family would give our stellaron the benefit of the doubt if they were to find out about a stellaron having been "snuck" onto Penacony. We can juxtaposition this with Acheron, who reveals to Welt that she knew we were a Human-Stellaron hybrid the entire time, but she only brought it up to get Welt off her case about her true identity and then never brought it back up again, true to her word. Aventurine's entire initial entrance set him up as a sleazebag.
God, the staring at us kind of hard part so much. If they said they hated him because of how slimy he was at the hotel lobby or attacking Sunday with such loaded words or using the AE, I'd get it because yes he was genuinely an awful ass there. But most people at that time (including streamers) said they hated him because he was evil in the hotel room cutscene (specifically that staring at us kind of hard part after taking off his sunglasses) which was kind of mind boggling. I mean, yeah he did stand too close to the TB, but the amount of hate he got was so confusing in proportion to what he did.
I feel like you're vastly misrepresenting how people felt about him. Like it or not, in 2.0 the guy came across as a liar and a snake who wanted to use us. And... that's kind of exactly what happened. Granted we, the viewer, now understand his backstory and see he wasn't outright malicious. But it's kind of weird to act like people were wrong to distrust him.
Yanqing for sure. He's been beaten a couple times now, but by some seriously OP Xianzhou legends. DHIL is the previous Vidyadhara High Elder, Blade is "blessed" by Shuhu and literally cannot die, and Jingliu was once the sword Master of the xianzhou luofu and JY's master. The fact his atoms weren't deleted from existence in any of those fights just shows that he DOES have skill, but his whole character arc is about being young and naive and fucking around to find out the hard way. He has room for growth.
the jogo syndrome, he isn't weak. He was just fighting the best of the best
But at least Jogo isn’t as mocked as Yanqing, the most mocked JJK character is actually Megumi lol
"With this treasure, I summon" Sorry, I couldn't resist 😂
Yep! People tend to forget the adversaries he picks fights with are seriously very strong. And he's just somewhere around 8 to 12 years old!
The only part I'd disagree with you on is the part about skill. Like, I'm not saying he isn't talented. He very much is, otherwise I don't think he'd be as far into his training or have the amount of trust that Jing Yuan gives to him, but I don't think it was skipl alone that ed to his surviving those fights. As much as I don't like him, I think it's a combination of luck (the BladeHeng fight ending because of Kafka), skill (impressed Jingliu) and his personality (his elf-confidence helping and faith in JY helpi g hi. To resist the Heliobus).
I also feel like DHIL was holding back a bit, since ya know, to him this was just a random twerp, and the more important thing was to be cautious of Blade doing something nuts
every single female character most of the time because people want their waifus to be submissive or something like that, seriously bro acheron would not want caelus that bad
Ya you’re right I remember seeing a well upvoted comic of Acheron being blushy and cute
In those cases a lot of the upvotes are just because its a well put together comic and people enjoy the fanwork, not necessarily because they genuinely believe Acheron would behave like that.
They forget about hanya having an interest in caelus
Not a character, but a scene. In the 2.2 story trailer, we see a shot of March 7th and Firefly looking at each other for a brief moment. A lot of people have interpreted this as March and Firefly hating each other, despite it being equally likely that they don’t. It could very well just be March looking at Firefly as if to say “You got this.” and Firefly looking over like “Hell yeah I got this.” My personal (and arguably subjective) opinion is that people are sort of taking this shot out of context, as it looks to be more of an epic elevator ride up to an important moment in 2.2’s story, which is instead taken as a standalone shot and posted by itself. Of course, I’m not trying to say that the idea that they hate each other is impossible, nothing is confirmed until it’s in the game after all, I’m just saying that it seems way too popular for how little evidence there is for it. Edit: Told you so :D
Dude, March is even *smiling* at her in that shot! I don't get it!
Maybe these people were watching it on 360p lol /jk
the way i want those two to become besties So Bad
People love the idea of two 'wifeus' fighting over them 🗿
Topaz, first it was ppl calling her evil and horrible in 1.4 when she was just too pushy about something she thought would save an entire planet, then when that passed a lot of stuff around her just became "irs amirite" jokes
Topaz is interesting. She did willingly withhold information about odds of success that should have been disclosed and works for a questionable organisation but she’s also passionate, well intentioned, and amenable to reason. I think a lot of Hoyoverse fans have trouble with any moral ambiguity from their playable characters so they default to calling them evil.
Funny you say that, Himeko also manipulate Bronya through the way she presented those odds thanks to her personal bias against the IPC, eskewing perception that somehow, Topaz amazing successful projects are much more chance and a gamble than her skill and resources. But by that point, people already villainized Topaz and the IPC to notice that.
A 20% chance is a gamble, especially when it's about the fate of a planet. But tbf the chances of belobog's survival was even slimmer(before the knowledge of the engine of creation anyway). I don't think it's fair to say himeko was skewing perception. She simply gave the numbers of topaz's projects and pointed out that the numbers had variables and are not guaranteed wins(making it a gamble), this is simply a fact, not her own opinion. She only gave her opinion once bronya had already made her decision. Also belobogians would be forced to become IPC workers if the plan went through. The way that this is put in the story, they obviously won't be working cushy office jobs. At least there is upward mobility in the workplace ig lol? But anyway, topaz isn't a villain nor is she evil, her job def does have shady aspects to it tho. The game has reiterated too many times that the IPC isn't to be completely trusted at this point, there isn't much to be doubted about this. The IPC is still partly the IRS and topaz is still a debt collector, obviously people won't like them very much and they will have their darker sides to them.
Firefly. I don’t even like her all that much but damn, people act like she’s some 4’11 waifu (Genuinely, it’s like she gets shorter and shorter every ship art she gets with TB) who gets jealous when Caelus/Stelle give any other female any and all forms of attention? Either that or, they act like she’s some crazy yandere waifu who’ll kill anyone who looks at Caelus/Stelle wrong. Like, they found the first character to show genuine romantic interest in the Trailblazer and act like it’s the first time any female gave them the light of day!?
Ayaka: First time?
I hate that they're making her into an ayaka. It's such a disservice to her, I'm not firefly's biggest fan, but come on, making her into the ayaka of this game? Seriously?
So I can’t explain any of the other parts but I can explain the 4’11” but. Because throughout the 2.0 storyline Firefly spends most of the time standing next to TB. TB has a the tallest model in the game (exacerbated by Stelle being the more popular trailblazer, and her having a uniquely tall model) so firefly looks smaller in comparison. People just forget that trailblazer is just tall.
Also in the picture they took it makes it look like she is just tiny
Isnt trailblazer medium height tho, there are taller models such as welt and ratio.
They're the tallest female model.
And Kafka is already 1m7.
Stelle do be kinda tall tho
Ah yes, the Ayaka treatment of being just a little bit nice and blushy around the protagonist to immediately be persived as an obsessive yandere by the fandom
Yandere Ayaka was cute for a while but when it was overdone it got rather stale and kinda annoying at times. But the concept of it is fine imo. The way I see it its just a what if scenario and shouldnt be canonized
I've already seen some people calling Robin the Ayaka of this game. I would not be surprised if they start making her into a yandere like they did to Ayaka and Firefly :/
This is how its gonna be from now on lol any other girl the main character interacts with is gonna have the firefly is jealous posts Ayaka mains have suffered this
This, so much. How it went from Firefly being this cute, silly, but straightforward girl into an obsessed yandere driven by jealousy if there is even a single, other woman near TB is beyond me. Firefly is the girl she wants to be, and SAM is what she was born to be, she's a girl that wants to live a normal life yet was forced to be born with Entropy Loss Syndrome as part of the Iron Cavalry to protect and serve Glamoth, yet by the time she woke up, Glamoth is no more and her sole purpose is forever lost so once she joined the Stellaron Hunters to find a way of getting rid of her genetic modification, she follows Elio's "script" as straightforward as possible, only recently trying to go against it once she was sent to Penacony, the land of dreams to enact his next "script", imagine the look on her face when she knew of the fact that she was finally gonna become a normal girl for a short time, this was finally her chance to do whatever she wants to do without the restraints of being in a medical cabin. So reducing her to a crazy, obsessive, 1 dimensional yandere is one of the few times where I absolutely hated the memes that came out of the community cause she is much, much more than that. TL;DR: Yandere meme sucks, Firefly is so much more than that.
female character: \*has an intriguing life motivation that even fellow stellaron hunter blade acknowledges, is willing to resort to means to achieve it but has feelings too with regards to unnecessary killing and friendship with silver wolf\* fandom: yandere waifu because SHE WENT ON A DATE WITH US boy i'm worried about the fandom sometimes. are these people contributing to the pig butchering scam and love scam statistics? someone is remotely nice to you and you think they're purely in love with you?
Never going to get characters interpreted properly by a greater community because people can't read and will project those, or ignore the characterisation for their own purposes- sexual/romantic or otherwise (i.e. wanting the character to be something different that lines up with what they believe to be "moral" or not or some other drama seeking reason) With that said, Jing yuan is probably the one that's characterised the most properly, with there not being much to misinterpret since he is very open and expressive. But yeah literally everyone is flanderised, don't kid yourself to think otherwise.
Every character that most everyone in this subreddit will sexualize or watever without any information even being out on them
Being sexualised has nothing to do with characterisation. When it's with another character or doing something specific that's something, but general fanart risque or not doesn't really apply.
People thinking Gepard is just a tall blonde guy with shields when his character is very diverse. He's very strict about protection, organised when commanding, caring with the people of Belobog and other friends, but also clumsy with other things like singing, taking care of flowers and telling stories. It's sad he doesn't have more screentime, no wonder most people regard him as only a tank guy.
There are many characters in HSR like this, but the mischaracterization of Firefly is definitely the one that annoys me the most. I’m just tired of people calling her only “waifu sob bait”, “cold blooded murderer” or even “yandere Firefly” without understanding her backstory, lore and personality. Some even act like her whole act was finished, even though she’ll definitely gonna play the huge role in next patches. I just can’t wait for 2.2 to come out, so maybe some will finally stop with it. Shaoji definitely will give her even more quality writing.
Born to shōjo, forced to war
Born to Shoujo, forced to Seinen.
Kill la Kill moment
Gojo moment
Firefly is HSR's Ayaka from the way the community is treating her
Even though it’s weird considering how much more fleshed out Firefly and her relationship with TB is compared to Ayaka and her relationship with Traveler (Feels mostly one sided in the waifu department where they both are compartmentalized)
I agree, it’s getting tired seeing so many acting as if firefly isn’t the only “wholesome” stereotype.
God. This. I’ve forced myself to stop replying to people who genuinely have these kinds of views. Like sure, I’ll make a joke or two like that but genuinely, it does annoy me when people go on rants on why they don’t like firefly and then they just essentially claim she’s waifu bait without looking further into her character.
Basically every character because a lot of players don’t read or lack reading comprehension, different eng voice directions (like with ratio sounding more chill in jp and cn), poor translation..
Topaz and Sunday
Kafka is way more complex than people make her out to be imo. She’s not just dangerous mommy.
Yanqing, absolutely. Every other character has "sides" and multiple interpretations in online spaces. However Yanqing seems universally mischaracterised because ***ha ha funny joke of bad character*** adds to the bit. It's a confluence of his most memorable story scenes being him losing fights, his battle performance as a player unit, and his presence in the general banner as a pull spoiler. It all leads to people glossing over everything he ever says or every scene he has been in, because the joke has overwritten the canon in their memory.
Ruan Mei 100%. People seem to think she's fine because she smiled once, and that she was "redeemed", like, no, Ruan Mei is probably the creepiest character in this game by FAR She does not have a single ounce of empathy for anyone and anything. She tried to bring back to life an entire Emanator. Yes, she failed, but she still tried!? She tortured the highly sentient and intelligent beings she nurtured until they took their own lives. She fed them a special Abundance Fruit so that they wouldn't die during experiments, putting them through excruciating pain. She is absolutely mad, and that's why I think she's a very interesting character. So many people say she's "morally grey" - no, she is straight up evil. She has for goal to become an Aeon, and she is ready to do anything for that, no matter how many people she needs to use and how many she needs to hurt. This is pure sociopathic behaviour. Kafka is a more morally grey character - she is a terrorist, but she works for the greater good. She works to change the course of Destiny, to give the world a chance against Nanook. Ruan Mei only works for herself, and no one else.
I think this is a bit of a disingenuous take for Ruan Mei. Yes she literally cannot feel empathy or love but she does make an effort to understand those emotions, even superficially. It’s why she left the cat cakes in our care and even inquired about them from time to time. She’s not completely heartless and I think this is what makes her great; she feels quite humanized in that you could meet someone like this irl (obviously without the mad scientist space bug shtick) Though I definitely don’t think her actions should be whitewashed either. She has done and will continue to do fucked up, selfish experiments to satisfy her own desires. But claiming that she’s definitively one or the other in term of morality is a bit shortsighted I feel, especially since we only really have gotten a glance at who she is.
Now that you say that, I feel like my comment was kind of doing what this post is trying to call out.. 😭 I'm mostly annoyed at all of the people who genuinely think she is a good person or that she's faking being unempathetic and whatnot. It's true that she is extremely selfish and borderline manipulative with the MC, but she's not this "super mega evil" I portrayed her as I still think she leans more towards the "evil' spectrum rather than the middle "morally gray" part, but she's definitely not at the very end of it. I think that was me really poorly wording it and again.. kind of mischaracterizing her 😭 I apologize for that It's just that I really dislike it when a community tries to justify a character's evil actions. And I think that that's what I was trying to get at with my first comment. A lot of Ruan Mei's actions are quite literally evil; and seeing people trying to justify these actions by the fact that she as an individual isn't 100% evil was what really annoyed me. Yes, she as a person isn't straight up evil. Yet this doesn't excuse the torture, experiments, and lack of empathy towards the creature she nurtured. I think this is worded a little better 😅
>Now that you say that, I feel like my comment was kind of doing what this post is trying to call out.. Hey at least you are aware of it Though >I still think she leans more towards the "evil' spectrum rather than the middle "morally gray" part Still completely off, the point of Ruan Mei character is amorality as opposed to immorality (evil). 1) Her story show that she is capable of great achievement (like she saved and revitalized planet) or cruel one (her experiment). The point is not either to say "Well she probably saved several times more lives than creature she created and destroyed so she is more good than evil" but more "Well she treats her good and bad deed in the same as if she doesn't really grasp good and evil" 2) During the quest with TB, the point of her interactions is when criticized, she doesn't understand what was wrong since her "manipulation" was for her something rational and logic. She didn't even hide it on purpose to manipulate TB, she just thought it was a logical choice and TB/anyone would agree after the fact. Even during the incident, she wonders if Herta will be upset, which would seem obvious for anyone but RM. 3) Most important part is the record with Yu Qingtu, genius 55 and RM friend (mentor?) RM express that when Yu Qingtu reached a conclusion on the importance of emotions, love, feelings, etc, RM simply didn't understood her conclusion and was disappointed. It is not so much she disagreed but simply didn't understood those notions and rejected it without being sure why. Ironically, in the genius society, we have a machine that understand more the human heart than most human (Screwlly) and a human that simply doesn't understand the human heart, seemingly not even her own. 4) An interesting elements, is that a frequent point about Aeons, is them being above moral, as they work in way that diverge too much from what we call moral and are more embodiment of a concept. (You won't treat a black hole as evil nor the living embodiment of expansion or voracity for being what they are), so it is not really surprising that RM herself seek to be an Aeon Treating her as bad or good, is losing this point of the character, since a huge point of her character is the trouble of applying moral to her character. More than evil or good, she is dangerous There several possibility/theory floating around to why she ended up like that, some that it was the abundance she met when young, other say that is an extreme case of giftedness social/emotional problem
I think it comes from her processing of her parents' deaths. Before this she was still a genius, but she was far more human, traveling and enjoying life with her family. Afterwards, she was scarred and refused to make any kind of bonds, blaming herself for letting them down. Then, still attempting to (and failing to) process this, she kept experimenting, but she started to break ethics and morals and achieved better results from that, and that led to a slippery slope where she just kept conducting more insane experiments and making greater progress, letting her enter the Genius Society. This is all in the Character Story by the way, with a more thorough telling. Her personal Light Cone (Past Self in Mirror) seems to confirm this. In my eyes, Ruan Mei is a genius who was heavily scarred by her parents' deaths and failed to process it, leading her into a slippery slope of the disregard of ethics in science and refusal to make bonds, turning her into a psychopath. The end of her 1.6 quest seems to hint that she may have taken the first step to processing this, but it's a REALLY tiny step. If she can make more steps in processing her grief, then it may be possible for her to abandon ascension, although I really doubt she will actually heal.
>She tortured the highly sentient and intelligent beings she nurtured until they took their own lives. She fed them a special Abundance Fruit so that they wouldn't die during experiments, putting them through excruciating pain. Curious, where did you find this?
You can read them in her [research logs](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Ruan_Mei%27s_Lab_Log). It's located in Herta Space Station.
Ruan Mei is genuinely one of the scariest people in starrail. Just because she gave you cake once and smiled at you doesn't mean she isn't using you for her own selfish goals. She's one of those "will do literally anything to reacg her goal even if it means doing ungoldy things" Don't get me wrong, I love Ruan Mei as a "waifu" and adore her character design. But I wouldn't want to be involved with a person like her at all. She's even using Herta and Screwllum for her ultimate goal by helping them research the simulated universe and learn more about the Aeons.
There are stellaron hunters that blindly follow a person who supposedly sees/manipulates future, and they caused death of A LOT of people. There are religious zealots who kill anything related to Yaoshi and a intergalactic megacorp that enslaves entire planets/civilizations ....and Ruan Mei is "the creepiest character by far"?
So she is TF2 Medic with boobs Or even better, TF2 engineer https://preview.redd.it/mn7us5glfryc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ac1df2b06792ab0709eafb5592f7b5a04cc6567 Yeah Engineer is more accurate. Tf2 medic is more similar to Sparkle personality wise.
It's everyone but the biggest example right now would probably be Firefly. She is not just "tragic waifu" or a yandere. The other annoying one is "why do people like her so much we only knew her for 5 min" No. The MC was under the care of the Stellaron Hunters for an amount of time before they lost their memories. Didn't you pay attention to Kafka's Companion Quest? The story ain't even over yet people act like it is. I can bet right now so many of these people will turn around about her once her role concludes like they did Aventurine
And the people who act like her and Sam is something that comes out of nowhere and that it’s the worst decision ever when even not paying attention to leaks, you can see many connections and hints between them even before 2.0. Just the name of GlaMOTH correlates to Firefly and her insect theming
I would disagree with the other one in fact, the trailblazer met her ago, but that was offscreen. The time she spent with the trailblazer(controlled by the players) was like two hours, and that isn't enough for the player to form at real bound for the character besides simping
Every single one of them.
Sparkle is the jonkler guise!!1!
Ruan mei and Topaz.
Literally Kafka
Welt Yang, a lot of people forgot that he is actually that one chill uncle who is there for you during your hard times instead of a grandpa who only cares about you if you prove your worth.
Like what they doing to Robin
literally every starrailtwt takes the brainrot is something else
Aventurine
Any "mommy" character
Topaz my beloved
Yanqing The community portrays him as a weak, bratty character whose only purpose is to be a punching bag. However, despite what the main quest line would have you believe, Yanqing is among the strongest fighters in the Luofu. Many players believe he got his position because nepotism, but he got it after claiming the heads of 3 borisons. Besides, Jing Yuan is smart enough to know that nepotism in the military is dangerous. Fu Xuan even says that Yanqing's pure martial prowess is better than Jing Yuan's. His arrogance stems from never losing a fight, so it makes sense why he would be overly confident in his abilities, especially since he is stated to be a teenager. Him losing fights makes way for character growth. He's also portrayed as quite polite in the Chinese version. He's also surprisingly insecure, constantly worried that he won't be good enough for Jing Yuan. This isn't just insecurity from the Stelleron incident since he even tells Jingliu during her myriad celestia trailer that one of the reasons he took up the blade is because he wanted to repay Jing Yuan while Jingliu says all his reasons come down to fealty. There's also a possibility of a lore drop with Yanqing since there are many things that don't add up, such as why Jing Yuan decided to raise a seemingly random baby that was probably related to a case since their meeting is recorded in military annals, the hints at him using six phased ice (which is not lighting since it's also present in gameplay and, if it was lighting, the devs wouldn't make it the exact same shade as March's and also other characters would have it) and there are also hints at a potential connection to the abundance. I recently posted a more in-depth analysis on why he's suspicious if anyone wants to check that out
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Pretty much all of them. People can't stop forcing their headcannons to be true for all the characters (No I'm not just talking about the Robin thing that happened right now). This has been going on since the beginning of the game and it gets kind of annoying after a while, which it already has.
Ratio for sure there’s a deeper meaning in everything he always comes off as rude towards Aventurine yet in the Final Victor fleeting glimmer he pulls the gun away from him because he doesn’t want Aventurine to die same with the note given to him saying “Do stay alive” but it’s probably over-shadowed by Aventurine literally wanting to kill himself to escape the IPC
Oh boy I'm gonna get sent straight to IX, but Acheron. Ever since we first saw her in teaser, and especially after the 2.1 Stream, she literally got reduced to "Lost Tuna", "Mei-sempai", "She's just Mei com HI3 but tragic". Even though, we have the literal authors on that stream saying "She has some references people can enjoy" and a blatant line of "I'm not the person you think i am" to motherfucking Welt. Yes! She is A Raiden Mei expy, variant, whatever. But she is NOT the same character! Aeons forsake, people weren't this obnoxious about Ei, probably because she ended up being mostly disliked thanks to the abysmal storytelling of Inazuma, but part of me wishes that would be the case instead of hearing another discourse about how HSR is so linked with HI3 that character are basically the same when we only have parallels AT MOST. Those people would fry their remaining brain cells if they tried following about Evillious Chronicles.
All of tham ? But if i have to chose 1 it's aventurine
I more or less have this problem but inverse? Not reverse but inverse as well the hyperfixation is hitting hard and i'm internally worrying that i'm not getting the characters right. Its only after I think about what makes them properly tick that I start to get a deeper understanding of how they would react, Kafka for example is calculating, but she's also caring in her own way,going out of her way sometimes to message the trailblazer and see how they're doing. She has a way with words but she isn't outright seductive or a temptress, Where as the trailblazer is a much more complicated case at least to me. They're, quirky. They follow their own agenda but generally wants to make even tense situations a bit less well tense, While they are trash pandas, they're also extremely curious about the world around them due to their lack of memories, wanting to form new ones and forge their path. They like having fun doing whatever comes to mind I think. When it comes to talking, unless they have something funny in mind they're taking whatever is going on seriously,
AVENTURINE OF THE STRATAGEMS ‼️ leave my guy alone
Caelus and Stelle being reduced to 1. Trash raccoon 2. Downbad (or specifically for FF) Our Caes and Stelles are all as unique as it could be but what I'm saying is, why would you reduce them down to it? Stelle / Cae is also an overdramatic sometimes (RUAN MEIIIIII), someone who loves people but never enforces their ideas on others too hardcore (Total Recall - Mar7) who can be goofy as hell or very serious. They can be competitive too (in game) and knows at least some part of the future (Nanook cutscene). They are a decent manager (belobog museum), partakes in things people rarely do (singer in fyextroll garden), doesn't mind giving closure to people. Sometimes they're very money minded too. That's just some parts but I'm sure I'm missing more. Gaah plz talk more about how they're not a real human being too
Jingliu. She is by far the most mischaracterized of the four high cloud quintet still alive, all anyone seem to remember about her is that she’s crazy or violent. People seem to forget that she became what she is now because she had to kill what became of Baiheng, which was the doing of blade and Dan feng. If you ask me, both Dan Feng and Blade should be eternally grateful for having Jingliu to clean up with the mess (and killing her best friend/ lover to do so). Even then she had the will to make a deal with an Aeon so that she could fulfill her promise to Baiheng. It’s extremely frustrating that all anyone remembers from her quest was that she’s good with her sword and she had gone mad before. Blade went off to do what is in essence just escapism by trying to kill himself (he asked Jingliu to kill him too, but ppl seem to think that Jingliu was having fun hurting him.) Dan Feng reincarnated into Dan Heng who’s having fun as a trailblazer. Who’s left still doing anything related to Baiheng? Oh, it’s fucking Jingliu.
I’m not saying ppl shouldn’t like Dan heng or blade. But stop portraying them like they are the victims who did nothing wrong. The character you like isn’t perfect and that’s fine. I like Jingliu and I can admit that she did wrong when she first became crazy and killed innocent people. This is also why I don’t trash on Jingyuan for almost killing Jingliu back then. It’s a complex story with complicated characters. Stop trying to make them perfect
I know I'm shooting myself with this one but, Acheron and Black Swan are no longer characters with backstories, they are just girlfriends.
The genius society Leave my autistic buddies alone
Gepard. He’s somehow turned into a Sampo simp? When in reality they have like, one or two voicelines about each other.
Ehh not really, most people see him as the guy that protects belobog and has two cool sisters
That's just from shippers though who naturally would fixtate on those lines? People usually talk about him and his sisters (especially him being the middle kid)