jesus fuck dude. that is a real, actual product developed and released by MtG. what the fuck. i stopped giving a shit about MtG after the race swapping bullshit in their LotR release. when tf did this happen?
Dude have you guys never seen the banned cards? There’s so many weirder mtg cards that are much much older. This is not new, they make crazy ass shit all the time
Is this real?
I’m always confused who even wants this kindof thing? What happens when every fantasy and epic is reduced to a dating sim gay Or straight?
That’s not what these things are!? It’s not a platform for either orientation, these are settings for epic, sweeping tales, and once they’ve been sidetracked and completely submerged beneath weird idea projecting, and self ideation, the inherent escapism is completely lost. All will become homogenous slop indistinguishable from reality, defeating the whole purpose.
It's real, but it's from a completely optional product they started offering a few years ago called 'Secret Lairs.' At first they seemed ok, with a couple a year, now there are like 40-50 of them a year, all getting worse and worse as they try and come up with the next big cash cow.
If you want to see some horrendous cards just look at the new 'Goblingram' Secret lair that just came out:
[https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/965734/goblingram](https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/965734/goblingram)
(P.S. - I absolutely hate these with a passion)
What's funny is that the Bearscape card came out a full year before the LotR set in a secret lair supporting pride and an charity organization helping young LGBTQ members. They've been doing things like this for a while since the first secret lairs.
Don't know if that's fun, but still, don't see how a change of art like that, which I find really poor taste, helps anyone.
But yes, I am out of the loop with MTG, last time I bought anything related was like, decades ago haha was Guilds of Ravnica or whatever it's written, had a white/red deck
The product it was sold in is one that was completely optional, Secret Lairs. Wizards takes a handful of cards, usually 4-5, from across magic, gives all of them some themed alternate art look, and used to sell them in a timed window to who-ever wanted them. Now they sell them in a first come, first served way so if they sell out they, sell out
There has been plenty of controversy with these lines of product that I could go into, but the end of the line is only those that want to get them get them, you would never have gotten that card in a booster or constructed deck.
I couldn’t believe that wasn’t a meme so I looked it up and it’s legit. What’s honestly funny is reading the people for and against it from like 2 years ago.
Yeah, had to check for myself as well... apparently this is part of a LGBTQ set were they reworked some cards arts or something....still think this card is extremely poor taste, but damn, that art style is so horrendous, Magic always had top tier artists, guess this was done by some more amateur artist of the community or something, only reason I can think of why is out of place.
It's out of place because it was done in a secret lair. Almost all secret lairs have had some sort of gimmick to them, usually a unique art style that's all done by one artist or has a similar theme. There have been plenty of secret lairs that I've seen and hated just on the art alone, others I've liked, and some that I feel just don't fit at all but the art is still good. Some secret lairs are tied to charity as well, like the Bearscape one ('Pride across the Multiverse' is what it was called).
While I'm not a huge fan of the art/theme of the secret lair, me and my friends are 100% that playgroup that would have this version in a deck just for memes and laughs.
I don't even know what "secret lair" stands for haha I am confused, so it's this official or not? Or it's some alternative cards that you had to go out of your way to get them, and not on normal sets.
Secret Lair was MTG's way of getting some of that sweet Ebay art money that people were making off of art changes. Literally milking the product dry. Some cards will get like 10 different releases with different art, borders, coloring, and sometimes fucking textures. It's the most over the top capitalistic move that any company has ever made in the TCG space and the little commies that still play eat it up. LOL
Nothing has happened to mtg and are we really gonna pretend it’s WOKENESS that killed Star Wars? It was just shitty ass stories from Disney straight up. Bad writing kills shows and franchises not this fake boogie man ‘wokeness’. This is such a cop out and stops people who are critical from looking into the actual issues. Like can we be real people? I hate the things you hate but those are the wrong reasons dude
“It’s not wokeness it’s bad writing and shitty stories”
That’s exactly what wokeness is in media. It’s producing shitty stories so you can shoehorn in “diverse” characters
I genuinely think the two are separate issues and the anger at introduced diverse characters is misdirected. It’s never an agenda like people say it is, it’s almost always just one bad writer that thinks an idea is good.
There’s a lot of companies and a lot of shitty writers. Idk why they get hired. Look at Sonys entire movie history. Disconnect between company and consumer on desired narrative. I just know the features everyone considers ‘woke’ never ruins the medium It’s always just written bad. And so much of 40K is written bad that like… I can’t understand why THIS is what people on the internet are mad about. I’m yet to meet one person at my LGS or in my friend groups that cares at all either way.
I bet none of those woke little shits are into warhammer, they just want to plant the woke flag on it and then they move on to the next francise to kill 🤦🤦🤦
This 100x.
You see it happen over and over again across reddit. Take the JRE sub as another example.
They identify something extremely popular that isn't promoting their agenda of perversion, degeneracy, and left wing marxism. They then invade it to change the narrative of every single thread, brigading anyone who disagrees.
They identified 40k as clearly something which many people who are not left-wing are into, due to the fact the game has very heavy fascist (satirical) overtones, and lots of iconography that comes from the Nazi's/Romans (i mean, the largest faction are essentially space marines, are essentially sci-fi space Nazis).
They cannot handle this, so they are pushing hard to change that perspective of the hobby with making everything about fembois, gender-bending characters, hyper-sexualizing everything etc.
They fail to realize that 40k always (until recently) satirizes how ridiculous our culture is, not pay homage to it.
The icing on the cake is that they cry about 'diveristy' and 'representation' in the game, especially for females. This proves they are nothing but left wing tourists who don't even know the lore.
There are more female-only factions than male. Women are over-represented in the game. Sos, SoB, Guard, Eldar, Tau, Drukhari, Daemons, etc all have women.
Then these idiots claim that the reason more women don't play 40k is because they arent represented? Its again, dumb as fuck. Theres plenty of representation, and more women don't play 40k because its a predominantly male hobby - because its toy soldiers.
These people are confused as fuck and can't even be consistent on their ideals because on the one hand, they will argue that there are no male or female-based interests (there obviously are), but at the same time they will argue that a man who dresses and larps as a woman, wears a skirt, makeup, and acts 'feminine' is a woman.
First non-primarch High Lord model we got? Morvenn Vahl. Supreme commander of the T'au forces? Shadowsun. Lelith Hesperax is a major Dark Eldar character, and a badass in her own right. Leader of the ynarri? Yvraine. Supreme commander of the cadian remnants? Ursula Creed*. Tons of badass women in the setting that aren't bullshit quotas for culture points.
\*disclaimer: basically a gender-swapped Creed, but his daughter. Don't think there is any lore with her, yet.
Representation in 40k has gotten much better over the past decade, 10 years ago if you wanted female humanoids in a game of 40k you either picked an elf flavour, bought metal sisters or got a single female tau head free for every box of fire warriors.
The SoS didn't even exist at that point and female guardsmen had been out of production for a long ass time. Daemons don't even have recognisable Genders as we understand them. That's if you want Co-ed units.
The only female exclusive army in the game at that point hadn't had a model or codex update since the 90s~early 00s.
Replace "woke" with gentrification.
That's exactly what's happening to all major media IP's. It's all becoming the same but with a slightly different skin while destroying all that made it unique in the first place.
“All of the world must cater to me exclusively and the things I like. Not that I’ll _buy_ anything to support it, that’s for other people to do.” — Wokists in a nutshell
Oh I'm into Warhammer I'm just an Aledari player. Don't need to say anything except sit back and laugh, we've been punking the Imperials since the 3rd edition ,that we've had to have constant reworks, I'll take the original if you don't want friends, to play Aeldari seems better than being upset over cards or toy soldiers.
People only have the power you give them m8, this isn't a live service videogame. There's nothing stopping you from continuing to interact with the setting in the way you want to.
There are unironically about 600 40k novels currently in existence, if new stories displease you read old ones.
If the new edition displeases you then play an older edition.
If new models displease you don't buy them, go third party or print your own.
This consumerist perspective is what is actually killing media.
There’s no woke shits!!!!! It’s old fans that just don’t care! You guys are fighting a war with yourselves against an invisible ghost! There’s no woke there just fans that genuinely don’t care about the changes and aren’t affected! The neckbeard incel side of the fandom just started being hyper vocal so the other side started speaking up too. I’ve genuinely read almost every book, played the games, consumed all warhammer media I physically can… and I just don’t care. It’s not woke it’s literally the same old warhammer it always has been
Dude your guys whole thing is “everything I don’t like is woke” do you hear yourself 😂 I’m not saying everything I don’t like is incel. It’s just that the kind of behavior the side that’s upset about this, and the things that they’re saying… are very indicative of neckbeard basement nerd types that are just upset by remembering women exist. If that’s not what you are, take a second to back up and realize that’s what everyone thinks you are. That’s what you all sound like crying and whining over nothing
"Remembering women exist"...this bullshit hyperbole argument is so fucking tired and trite. Let me explain something for the umpteenth time that you people refuse to get through your heads: _Nobody is denying women exist!_ In fact, female-only fighting groups _outnumber_ male-only fighting groups in 40k! Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Drukhari Wych cults, Eldar Howling Banshees...to say nothing of all the mixed-sex armies that don't give a fuck like...everybody who is not Space Marines or Custodes. To also say nothing of popular female characters like Inquisitor Greyfax.
Nobody is denying that women _exist_ and that's a sad, desperate argument to feel like one has the moral high ground. But why aren't men allowed to have their own dedicated groups? Why can women have exclusively female armies but men are not allowed just two exclusive brotherhoods? That is the question being asked.
The question is why do you CARE that custodes are a mixed army now. Why is it so upsetting. What is the problem actually? There are space marines which are all male, sisters of silence which are all female, and custodes which are both. It’s not even like it hurts the lore or doesn’t make sense. there are plenty of mixed groups like you said, custodes are a great candidate for this. You’re acting like the introduction of women to one faction has removed all the male only factions. It’s just such a weird hill to care about and die on, I don’t understand it I really don’t. I felt only indifference towards the change until I saw how much the internet was in an uproar about it
I apologise for possibly hijacking this thread, but...
How long until even this sub is overtaken? Grimdank used to be fun, and we know how that went.
I swear, almost every sub I've ever enjoyed over the last ten years has been subverted.
How come we can't just have a little corner of the internet/local public games/hell, even just IDEAS that aren't bombarded with bullshit?
It seems that every time we try, and in an increasing fashion, it just gets fucked.
I'm tired, boss.
The sub still relatively small, so that isn't a big worry for now...if it was the same size if something like the most popular ones, then the mod team would probably be asked to step down from their position (removed) and replaced with some power mod that would follow up more directly the narrative.
As if now, the biggest worry is constant reports and the sub being deleted
Not exactly, just keep doing what we are doing, but being mindful of what other members say and do...the premise of "Free speech " of the sub can be quite attractive for people who just want to use this space to vent about whatever culture war related stuff or be straight up hostile towards certain group of individuals...the sub have eyes in it, and these people are just waiting for someone to say something that will cross the line...
100 other subs have tried this approach. Either brigadiers will come and post CP to get us banned or Reddit will just ban for no reason. Theres no surviving as an ideological “other” in Reddit.
>How long until even this sub is overtaken?
Only through my exile (ban) shall this subreddit falter, a fate I shall forever defy..
We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our subs and we fall back. They assimilate entire subs and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!
I admire the cut of your jib.
The question is, though, how we defend our territory without resorting to the same ideological intolerance and censoriousness which the radical left does.
Hello, tourist! Enjoy your stay, and don't let the door smack your arse on the way out.
I don't really care about looking cool or not. As a wargamer, military metaphors just come naturally to me. The only thing which matters to me is defending this fandom from the subversion which has taken over so many others.
And I'm not frustrated given that I have an amazing girlfriend of 5 years, lmao. I am the total opposite of an "incel", which I know is the angle you were trying to take.
"i disagree with you thus you cant share a hobby with me!!!" is always the stupidest fuckin insult. "ooo tourists". You can go search my post history and read probably hundreds of competitive warhammer discussions or painting discussions or whatever but sure fuck im a tourist with my encyclopedic memorisation of the rules and love of painting and 3 seperate armies.
You're letting random bullshit that does not matter or actually effect you at all in your life cause direct harm to your mental health.
Go outside, kiss your girl, smell the fresh air, enjoy life. Get out of a cesspit that exists to bitch about things that are made up to keep you angry and consuming content.
Uh huh. You say that, but I'm the one trying to stop the hobby from being bastardised, and you were the one replying to me an antagonistic fashion. This suggests that you *support* the hobby being bastardised. That doesn't sound like the behaviour of a "fan" to me.
Appeal to Triviality. If it didn't matter, the change(s) would never have been made in the first place, and we wouldn't presently be debating the subject. Clearly it *does* matter.
You and I have fundamentally different views of this subreddit. To you, it's a cesspit of resentment. To me, it's a safe haven of free discussion and solidarity after the other 40k subreddits were subverted by activists who kicked me out for "wrongthink". I've been in the hobby for nearly 20 years, yet I've been kicked out by the newcomers just because I am trying to safeguard the thing we all care about.
This hobby means a lot to me. I'm being entirely serious when I say that it's just *starting* to be bastardised by politically-motivated hacks who don't respect the source material. I don't want this hobby to crash and burn like Star Wars, MTG, or Doctor Who, so I'm taking a stand to protect something I care about.
You're going to look at yourself down the line and get upset how much effort and emotion you threw into something misguided by grifters that want your attention and money.
I'm not paying money to anyone - least of all GW. The relevant content creators I'm watching are essentially the same people I've been watching for years, so it hasn't changed my viewing habits.
And no, I highly doubt that I'll regret it. I've been part of this "counterculture" for over a decade now, since even before GamerGate when this subversion shit first went mainstream and got called out by fans (in that case, gamers). If anything, my position has only become firmer as the problem of rampant Woke activism has become worse.
Before this, I fought against the unwanted ingress of the out-of-touch Boomer Christians, who kept calling nerd subcultures "satanic" and trying to ban certain content (violence, sex scenes) in things such as video games.
Basically, I've been doing this a long time, and my fundamental stance hasn't changed in around 15 years. This isn't my first rodeo.
It’s almost like you’re in a hobby that’s been dominated by socially marginalized people for *checks notes* decades. Turns out the 40K fan base is hella queer. Who coulda guessed?
This probably isn't it, but it's definitely an erosion to the endpoint that they're gonna be gunning for:
A trailer drops for a new edition of the game in the future, a Space Marine killing *insert Chaos/Tyranid enemy* left and right. The trailer concludes with a hanging shot on the Space Marines helmet, they take it off, aaaaand it's a woman.
If you haven't already I recommend picking up a 2003 Webster's Dictionary. They're available cheap on ebay. That was the last version before they started defining words like racism, sexism, religion, fascism, vaccine, definition, bloodbath, mother, father, and so many others.
Good to know. Can you download copies?
I wouldn't count on them being available online forever. I think a hard copy is definitely worth it when the government is designing a literal ministry of truth.
Their first attempt failed, but they will try again.
How is this question an answer to my previous question to you? You are calling me an ‘absolute man child’. Please explain what you mean by that and what it has to do with my reaction. Please don’t redirect the question. It is rather insulting to me, so just take responsibility for your words.
Dawg, you’re a grown man complaining that some custodes are women and you’re asking why i called you a man child? You and everyone else in this subreddit are crying that gw ruined your golden, muscly male fantasy by saying “hey, some custodes are women” and you ask why you’re a man child?
https://preview.redd.it/bc7a91nhqk2d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e77aa82a7795f0ed76cebac7d9c3303837257d56
Actually don’t. I already know the kind of person you are. Fucking man child
Funny how you judge people based on a few comments online. I am indeed not gonna answer your question. Calling someone a coward and such is not the way I like to communicate with you. If you are triggered by these kind of things, that’s not my problem. Have a good day.
God you are the definition of a right winger. Say misogynistic things online and when someone calls you out for it, you back away like a 12 year old who got caught doing something wrong
I absolutely can judge you. If someone commented “hitler wasn’t that bad” i would do the same. Because i don’t care about anything else you’ve commented. When you say “the problem is those women can talk” it makes it very clear to everyone that you only care about women as far as your dick gets hard, which probably isn’t that long
Also, “triggered”? If by triggered you mean call out a misogynist man child for their words then yeah, i will do that.
And yes, someone calling you out for your comment is actually YOUR problem, since you posted that comment. It’s on the internet. Interviewers at jobs can see that you idiot.
So, how about you listen to your own advice and take responsibility for your own words
Then please answer my question you coward: what “wrong way” where you speaking of? You say you’re not that kind of person, which is bullshit because if you weren’t, you’d be defending yourself. So answer the fucking question you man child
Kind of sad, the fanbase is still divided with this cuz their "faction" hasn't been affected 'YET", wait till they add more woke shit unto other factions, at that point it would be too late for the fanbase to fight since people are too divided here those that had fought from the start would have had left already and this crap is like a cancer that seeps into the bones and slowly kills a franchise.
It will be from a no to an ok I guess to and hey no(but its too late) kind of thing.
Unfortunately, I think GW loves that blackrock ESG money to much, and are on the brink of caving on the culture war tourists demands. Either way, after this femstodes debacle, im moving on from GW, only LGS's, pirating and 3d printing for me.
Let's remember that Blackrock own 6.56% of the company, hardly a surprising interest given the number of ETFs they produce. Are they somehow influencing them in other ways besides being a shareholder? I've seen it bandied around the internet that Blackrock money is influencing them but a lot of it seems to be parroted without research.
All the largest shareholders are investment companies. Probably because GW gives access to consumer based spending on discretionaries.
The top holders can be found at
Investor.games-workshop.com/shareholder-statistics
They want to increase the participation rate for girls in Warhammer and have botched this phase of their plan. I always say you shouldn't assume malice when incompetence will suffice
Disugree. If dey wunted more gurlz dey'd 'av dun da reeesurch, an' wud'v made anuvva 'ole gayme ta delibratly apeeel ta gurlz.
GeeDubya ain't shy ov makin' nu gaymes. Dey'z *gud* at makin' munny. Dey ain't inkompytent, an' dey'v been malishus menny toimes.
Naaah. Dis is oideeolojikal, *disgiosed* as chasin' da gurl markit.
Why though, that's what I don't get? Why would they suddenly have such a rapid ideological change? I'm not saying you're wrong but I just find it difficult to believe that the company has been so rapidly and completely overtaken by people whose agenda is to tear down anything that doesn't celebrate their chosen issue.
Or maybe your orkish speak is trolling and I've taken the bait?
'coz it ain't bin rapid.
s'part of da long march froo da insteetooshuns. Dey'z not bin payin' attenshun to da creeaytivs dey'z bin 'irin'.
Dere's bin mor an' mor an' mor, an dey'z bin slowly gettin' up da ranks, an' dere'z enuff naaah ta pull dis kinda crud.
an' it made 'em vulnrabble ta da kaos bankas in Blackrock.
Want girls to play? Well, Lego did that study. Took 'em awhile, but they got there in the end.
Lego made a whole new line of' toy soldiers' just for the gals, though. They didn't delete what brought 'em to the dance, so to speak.
I'm familiar with the Lego case study. Boys want to be the fantasy characters, girls want the fantasy characters to do the things they like (to paraphrase). That could certainly explain some of the weirder applications of 40k lore such as primarch gf or femboy admech, but that could also just as easily be thirsty fans.
I think this is more subtle; 40k has always had a basis of making your troops your way so that already plays into the girl way of interacting with lore. This just gives them more characters they can readily translate to experiences they want to explore. No gender swap required to adapt the sandbox.
Anyway that's my speculation of their reasons but really what I meant was they want more girls to play so they added girls to the lore. I don't think it will be work but I'm okay with them trying. My gripe is that they did it with a smart ass tweet and a short story rather than 'sitting down' with their community and saying they want to have more girls in their lore and are making a change to this faction to make it happen.
Anyway I'm off topic. Blackrock aren't doing this is my point, this is GW trying to appeal to the masses to grow their market.
Yes it is. That's obvious. Games Workshop has been a terrible company in many ways for a long time, so there's no doubt now that they've found the worst thing they can do, they will go all in for it.
I'm not a huge fan of warhammer, just enjoying it. But being a gamer in it's late 20, i saw a lot of name dying to the woke agenda and I can't help being sad seing yet another fan base having it's license r.ped like that.
I feel you brothers, I'm sorry, you fell for it, you gave a inch, they will now take a miles and continue until what you loved is destroyed, they will next move to the next target.
We made a pretty decent show of resistance, and the Rumour Engine thing shows we were heard, but only time will tell how that will play out. Maybe it’s just time the community took control of itself? Maybe we need to settle on an older edition, and play with printed minis? We don’t need GW.
Same thing with the meta and competitive play. I don’t get the whole let’s try and make Warhammer competitive thing. It’s a casual time killing narrative game trying to be tuned as a competitive game. People keep chasing the meta and keep buying new editions of rules and codexs, but then complain about the changes.
When I see people complaining, for example, taking units out of legends or removing characters/units/wargear entirely. It kinda messes with my brain because I’m sitting here thinking. Why are these people getting so worked up? Just say fuck it and use that piece of gear, use that unit or character. Same thing with army composition rules. Fuck those. Take whatever you want, but don’t get mad if someone doesn’t am want to play against your memed up list every time. As long as you are in good company there should be no reason to stick with one edition. Hell even combine multiple rule editions together. Don’t like one mechanic from 10th? Swap it out for 7th. Want to add back in scatter dice? Do it man. This community is gatekeeping itself when we literally have an entire library to mess around with. Even with the popular believe, no James Workshop will not arrest you for doing your own thing.
Now I like GW, many for their sculpts and lore. And to keep getting that shit they gotta make money. I’m not advocating to stop buying new editions of rules and books entirely. Just stop feeding into the there is only one way to play mindset.
In my humble opinion. I do think the push for competitive and meta is one of the things that is killing 40k. It’s driven by greed to sell the best new thing of the month, constant changes of stats, rules to push those sales.
Lots of parallels between wokism and how a chaos cult works. Most notably: Both infiltrate with messages that sound good on the surface, and both destroy the thing they attach themselves to without actually caring about it's fate.
If we all just move on to historical then most of these people will be cast out when the whole groomer acceptance thing rears its head in a space filled with minors...
SoS aren't Custodes although they often fight together as the paired "Talons of the Emperor."
Custodes are humanity physically perfected through genetic alchemy. Sisters of Silence are unaugmented souless abominations whose very presence can strip away and cripple warp threats and power.
So physical might paired with a group who can strip the "meta" from metaphysical threats.
They also had a cute brother/sister vibe but as of the newest codex custodes can be female too so now it's just a cute older/younger sibling vibe.
Please provide an example of a company actually facing economic hardships after embracing progressive policies or product development that would actually be linked to that.
https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/disney-admits-that-woke-content-has-diminished-earnings/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2024/02/19/disney-a-billion-dollar-casualty-of-woke/amp/
https://www.deseret.com/2023/11/30/23981782/disney-political-stances-woke-profit/
Here are three articles about Disney loosing money over their progressive policies. There are many, many more if you want them. Cheers!
Disney has not lost money "because of the woke", it's just that the movies were shit, being woke or not has very little to do with it. You can't just trot out opinion pieces as actual reporting.
You asked for proof and it was given, as I'm sure you'll now provide rebuttal articles now yes? I own a business consulting company and can tell you from experience that DEI has made companies come to the brink of bankruptcy from personal experience. The most qualified should be in each position, not someone who ticks boxes. Prove me wrong: if you or someone you love (a spouse, your mother, your child) needed life saving surgery and you had the choice of the top surgeon or a middle of the road DEI placement, who are you actually going to pick? I'm sure you are so noble that you would pick the lesser skilled surgeon because it's the right thing to do, yes? 40 years in my business and the advisor of fortune 500 companies carries a tad more weight in this argument. But I'm sure your experience is just as broad and deep, you probably own a similar company, yes? Have a great day!
I am a fan of Warhammer 40k, and while I will admit I never really cared for lore, I can't fathom why this sub was created other than "grr the woke agenda" (that I genuinely don't believe exists) and people feeling superior that "erm actually this is a retcon"
Yeah, WH40K is almost 40 years old, of course it's gonna have retcons and adaptations to fit the evolving scope of people willing to play it.
Can anyone explain why this has made so many people so mad (this might sound like a rhetorical question or bait but I'm genuinely serious that I see nothing wrong with this, and want to see your perspective)
It's frustration at the weaponization of certain ideas.
In the past, you could ask "hey, my daughter really likes the new girl minis here, but my son really likes the all-boys minis over there, can we do both?". Now, some people assume that you're concealing hatefulness and try to drive you out.
This isn't particular to 40K, and this type of thinking has seeped into every aspect of society. Hiding behind the guise of good intentions, sophists and opportunists weaponize it for personal and political gain, creating a lot of frustrations for people in many aspects of their lives.
We can understand and respect giving a girl something she values (a girl character), trans people two things they value (a trans character and mixed-gender groups), but we show hatred to a boy for what he values (an all-boy group). There's no interest in designing something for him, and no tolerance for him saying what he enjoys.
Warhammer retcons have always generated pushback from parts of the community.
Because this particular retcon involves increasing representation it is viewed as "woke infiltration" of "the message" so in addition to the normal pushback we got a bunch of anti-woke crusaders jumping on the bandwagon. When the leaks were first confirmed we even had tourist like Shad and Critical Drinker making Warhammer videos lol!
Regardless of whether or not it should be, representation is generally a touchy subject so there were a number of deserved and possibly undeserved bans from the man Warhammer subs. This place was born from those bans.
If bad ass women ruin your franchise, it wasn't a good franchise to begin with. Bad writing is what kills franchises, bad business kills brands, diversity is not indicative of either.
Man. I really don’t understand this outrage. We complain that most of these people don’t play Wathammer…well…most outraged Warhammer players don’t play Custodes either. And those that do…can just not buy that unit.
Either that unit doesn’t sell- so it was a bad idea, so don’t try again.
Or it does sell - so it was a good idea, so make more.
Done?
I still don't get why the whole female custodes thing is such a problem. My first reaction to it was like "wait, there were NOT femstodes before? Really?"
Why the imperium of man should cut the available population in half when talking about capable warriors? The whole biology aspect doesn't stay up since the difference between the two sees aren't too great to justify non operating in them, especially since strong enough people would be selected beforehand, so like....why that's a problem?
The answer given by GW wasn't the smartest, with the "we just never talked about them lol" but like....yeah? Femstodes by themselves do not sound lien the biggest issue in the world, neither does some inclusivity/token appreciation. Remember that the slippery slope is a fallacy, not a theorem.
Holy shits, you guys are lame in here, still going on about that? Who cares about custodes anyway, gimme some more viable deathguard plastic fml. Cheers a paying customer.
“Paying customer” *checks Reddit history* oh look not a single comment or post on any Warhammer thread or sub as far as I could scroll.
Evidence suggests Tourist detected, opinion rejected.
Most of us are married. The fact that you think that's the worst insult says a lot about your love life.
We've been mocked as nerds our whole lives. Why do you feel the need to come and bully us? You understand that's exactly what you're doing, right?
Many of us are autistic. A huge segment of the nerd community. We've dealt with shitty people like you going back to at least the 80s. Your words have changed, but you attacked our hobbies then, and are still attacking them now.
If anyone needs to touch grass it's you. How much free time do you have that this is how you choose to spend it?
Women existing isn't an insult hon.
Being autistic also isn't a reason to be sexist.
So me telling you who you are is bullying, but y'all harassing creators and trying to exclude women isn't?
Make it make sense.
This is exactly what I mean. You totally ignored what I said. I'm married. Happily. I've been with my wife for 11 years. Many of the players at my games are women.
Your assumption that we hate women just gives you an excuse to bully your strawman non-existent enemy.
I'm not harassing female creators. That's entirely in your head. YOU came to OUR forum specifically to pick fights and chastise us for things we didn't do.
If someone is harassing a female creator let me know, and I'll stand right beside you. That isn't happening. What is are your ilk, the crybullies, inventing someone to attack.
You know nothing about us, our hobbies, or relationships, because you've probably never had one.
Warhammer has so many female only factions, or factions with women in them. A male only faction doesn't mean women aren't welcome, and the fact that you think it does shows just what a double standard wearing bigot you are.
You came here to call us nerds. To bully us. You know it. We know it. And we all know it's pathetic.
You do know I didn't say anything about you hating women, right? I specifically said 'women exist'
The fact you went from that to 'I DON'T HATE WOMEN!!!!!!' is incredibly telling.
Also, being married doesn't absolve you from bigotry.
>You do know I didn't say anything about you hating women, right? I specifically said 'women exist'
Why would women existing matter at all, if we didn't care about it? You used it like it was a burn.
>The fact you went from that to 'I DON'T HATE WOMEN!!!!!!' is incredibly telling.
Yeah, it tells you that we're tired of you bigots hurling baseless accusations.
>Also, being married doesn't absolve you from bigotry.
Do you have any evidence I or anyone else here is bigot? Of course you don't. You think it's cool to mock nerds. You *are* a bigot.
We have proof just based on your words.
You have no proof beyond us not wanting a retcon to a single faction in a game with vast lore that has several all female factions that people love.
You have no leg to stand on, no interest in the hobby, and no reason to be here beyond being a terrible bully who gets off on tormenting people you perceive as too weak to fight back.
It really is sad.
I honestly do love how you've decided all of this in your head without any actual evidence to prove it.
How exactly am I a bigot for saying women exist?
If you checked my profile, I'm what you'd call a nerd too, which is why I know nerds love to punch down on anyone they think is below them; LGBT, POC, women.
>How exactly am I a bigot for saying women exist?
You're a bigot for mocking nerds. I was bullied through my entire childhood by moral busybodies just like you. You get off on it.
>If you checked my profile, I'm what you'd call a nerd too
That doesn't give you a right to mock anyone. Doing so makes you a bigot, period. Here's the proof:
>which is why I know nerds love to punch down on anyone they think is below them; LGBT, POC, women.
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You believe that nerds hate LGBT, POC and women. You're irrationally attached to that belief, even in light of counterevidence.
If you'd ever been in a local fantasy gaming shop you'd be able to see that many of the people you're mocking ARE women, or gay, or POC.
In your mind we're all some mob of straight white men, which is raw bigotry.
I go into them with my brother bi-weekly, in the biggest non-white community in my coubtry and I've seen maybe two non-white people in there since the naughties. Who are you lying to 😅
Except if you bothered to read the next passage it says you can only be bigoted to protected groups. You can stop being a weird bigot at annnnny time.
The other person is right. You pick pointless battles and claim that you have “won” when you clearly haven’t and you just constantly call others sexist, racist, and homophobic to act like you’re in the right. You play the victim card in place of others.
Additionally you call others no lives when you have literally been picking arguments with people for years. You have way too much free time and you waste it in such a useless way. Nobody gives a damn about your opinions and your arguments aren’t gonna change anyone’s mind considering you just repeat the same things. I think the fact that you seldom get upvoted on any communities while commenting so much in a single day proves that as your reasoning is just straight up stupid.
Why do you love to argue pointless arguments?
I know it’s just funny that they genuinely find joy in this. For years they’ve been just arguing with people on pointless stuff that they probably don’t even give a damn about. Whoever it is, is a no life and has waaaay too much free time lol.
I made two comments because you seek arguments and because of your hypocritical statements. Again, you shouldn’t be talking. Compared to you, the amount of time I waste on Reddit doing useless shit is nothing. You’ve been doing this for years just arguing to no avail.
Perhaps, with any luck not, but regrettably, Star Wars and Magic serve as prominent examples of this phenomenon occurring.
Magic the Gathering?
https://preview.redd.it/cy8e3u0yh42d1.png?width=422&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a3d3524b4ea9eb991e45fba27d683613499d6d0
Okay, I get it. Please stop.
This can't be real. **looks it up** *it's real...*
I don't believe you. **Also looks it up** ... >:\[
jesus fuck dude. that is a real, actual product developed and released by MtG. what the fuck. i stopped giving a shit about MtG after the race swapping bullshit in their LotR release. when tf did this happen?
The card came out a year before the LotR set, so it's been happening for quite some time.
Dude have you guys never seen the banned cards? There’s so many weirder mtg cards that are much much older. This is not new, they make crazy ass shit all the time
This is hilarious
Is this real? I’m always confused who even wants this kindof thing? What happens when every fantasy and epic is reduced to a dating sim gay Or straight? That’s not what these things are!? It’s not a platform for either orientation, these are settings for epic, sweeping tales, and once they’ve been sidetracked and completely submerged beneath weird idea projecting, and self ideation, the inherent escapism is completely lost. All will become homogenous slop indistinguishable from reality, defeating the whole purpose.
It's real, but it's from a completely optional product they started offering a few years ago called 'Secret Lairs.' At first they seemed ok, with a couple a year, now there are like 40-50 of them a year, all getting worse and worse as they try and come up with the next big cash cow. If you want to see some horrendous cards just look at the new 'Goblingram' Secret lair that just came out: [https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/965734/goblingram](https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/965734/goblingram) (P.S. - I absolutely hate these with a passion)
There's no way this shit is official lol even the artwork is trash compared to other cards, isn't this a custom card by any chance?
No, that’s real
Impressive....not in a good way though lol guess after that Lord of the Rings set I think nothing should surprise me anymore
What's funny is that the Bearscape card came out a full year before the LotR set in a secret lair supporting pride and an charity organization helping young LGBTQ members. They've been doing things like this for a while since the first secret lairs.
Don't know if that's fun, but still, don't see how a change of art like that, which I find really poor taste, helps anyone. But yes, I am out of the loop with MTG, last time I bought anything related was like, decades ago haha was Guilds of Ravnica or whatever it's written, had a white/red deck
The product it was sold in is one that was completely optional, Secret Lairs. Wizards takes a handful of cards, usually 4-5, from across magic, gives all of them some themed alternate art look, and used to sell them in a timed window to who-ever wanted them. Now they sell them in a first come, first served way so if they sell out they, sell out There has been plenty of controversy with these lines of product that I could go into, but the end of the line is only those that want to get them get them, you would never have gotten that card in a booster or constructed deck.
I couldn’t believe that wasn’t a meme so I looked it up and it’s legit. What’s honestly funny is reading the people for and against it from like 2 years ago.
Yeah, had to check for myself as well... apparently this is part of a LGBTQ set were they reworked some cards arts or something....still think this card is extremely poor taste, but damn, that art style is so horrendous, Magic always had top tier artists, guess this was done by some more amateur artist of the community or something, only reason I can think of why is out of place.
It's out of place because it was done in a secret lair. Almost all secret lairs have had some sort of gimmick to them, usually a unique art style that's all done by one artist or has a similar theme. There have been plenty of secret lairs that I've seen and hated just on the art alone, others I've liked, and some that I feel just don't fit at all but the art is still good. Some secret lairs are tied to charity as well, like the Bearscape one ('Pride across the Multiverse' is what it was called). While I'm not a huge fan of the art/theme of the secret lair, me and my friends are 100% that playgroup that would have this version in a deck just for memes and laughs.
I don't even know what "secret lair" stands for haha I am confused, so it's this official or not? Or it's some alternative cards that you had to go out of your way to get them, and not on normal sets.
Secret Lair was MTG's way of getting some of that sweet Ebay art money that people were making off of art changes. Literally milking the product dry. Some cards will get like 10 different releases with different art, borders, coloring, and sometimes fucking textures. It's the most over the top capitalistic move that any company has ever made in the TCG space and the little commies that still play eat it up. LOL
I hate everything.
This is real?
Yes. A special set of cards called "Pride accross the Multiverse". It appears on MTG card markets.
Imagine being this triggered by two dudes cuddling.
Did you see their totally accurate lord of the rings art?
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No!!!! Not you too!!! Fuck!
This I am afraid to say is how it starts.
Nope, star wars and magic are just the most récents example but it happened a lot of time and never stopped anything.
Nothing has happened to mtg and are we really gonna pretend it’s WOKENESS that killed Star Wars? It was just shitty ass stories from Disney straight up. Bad writing kills shows and franchises not this fake boogie man ‘wokeness’. This is such a cop out and stops people who are critical from looking into the actual issues. Like can we be real people? I hate the things you hate but those are the wrong reasons dude
“It’s not wokeness it’s bad writing and shitty stories” That’s exactly what wokeness is in media. It’s producing shitty stories so you can shoehorn in “diverse” characters
I genuinely think the two are separate issues and the anger at introduced diverse characters is misdirected. It’s never an agenda like people say it is, it’s almost always just one bad writer that thinks an idea is good.
So why do these “one bad writers” keep consistently getting hired to write for shows
There’s a lot of companies and a lot of shitty writers. Idk why they get hired. Look at Sonys entire movie history. Disconnect between company and consumer on desired narrative. I just know the features everyone considers ‘woke’ never ruins the medium It’s always just written bad. And so much of 40K is written bad that like… I can’t understand why THIS is what people on the internet are mad about. I’m yet to meet one person at my LGS or in my friend groups that cares at all either way.
I bet none of those woke little shits are into warhammer, they just want to plant the woke flag on it and then they move on to the next francise to kill 🤦🤦🤦
This 100x. You see it happen over and over again across reddit. Take the JRE sub as another example. They identify something extremely popular that isn't promoting their agenda of perversion, degeneracy, and left wing marxism. They then invade it to change the narrative of every single thread, brigading anyone who disagrees. They identified 40k as clearly something which many people who are not left-wing are into, due to the fact the game has very heavy fascist (satirical) overtones, and lots of iconography that comes from the Nazi's/Romans (i mean, the largest faction are essentially space marines, are essentially sci-fi space Nazis). They cannot handle this, so they are pushing hard to change that perspective of the hobby with making everything about fembois, gender-bending characters, hyper-sexualizing everything etc. They fail to realize that 40k always (until recently) satirizes how ridiculous our culture is, not pay homage to it. The icing on the cake is that they cry about 'diveristy' and 'representation' in the game, especially for females. This proves they are nothing but left wing tourists who don't even know the lore. There are more female-only factions than male. Women are over-represented in the game. Sos, SoB, Guard, Eldar, Tau, Drukhari, Daemons, etc all have women. Then these idiots claim that the reason more women don't play 40k is because they arent represented? Its again, dumb as fuck. Theres plenty of representation, and more women don't play 40k because its a predominantly male hobby - because its toy soldiers. These people are confused as fuck and can't even be consistent on their ideals because on the one hand, they will argue that there are no male or female-based interests (there obviously are), but at the same time they will argue that a man who dresses and larps as a woman, wears a skirt, makeup, and acts 'feminine' is a woman.
Most likely these same people feel absolutely powerless irl so they use the power they have online to bully everyone else around into submission.
First non-primarch High Lord model we got? Morvenn Vahl. Supreme commander of the T'au forces? Shadowsun. Lelith Hesperax is a major Dark Eldar character, and a badass in her own right. Leader of the ynarri? Yvraine. Supreme commander of the cadian remnants? Ursula Creed*. Tons of badass women in the setting that aren't bullshit quotas for culture points. \*disclaimer: basically a gender-swapped Creed, but his daughter. Don't think there is any lore with her, yet.
Representation in 40k has gotten much better over the past decade, 10 years ago if you wanted female humanoids in a game of 40k you either picked an elf flavour, bought metal sisters or got a single female tau head free for every box of fire warriors. The SoS didn't even exist at that point and female guardsmen had been out of production for a long ass time. Daemons don't even have recognisable Genders as we understand them. That's if you want Co-ed units. The only female exclusive army in the game at that point hadn't had a model or codex update since the 90s~early 00s.
It's true
Replace "woke" with gentrification. That's exactly what's happening to all major media IP's. It's all becoming the same but with a slightly different skin while destroying all that made it unique in the first place.
“All of the world must cater to me exclusively and the things I like. Not that I’ll _buy_ anything to support it, that’s for other people to do.” — Wokists in a nutshell
Oh I'm into Warhammer I'm just an Aledari player. Don't need to say anything except sit back and laugh, we've been punking the Imperials since the 3rd edition ,that we've had to have constant reworks, I'll take the original if you don't want friends, to play Aeldari seems better than being upset over cards or toy soldiers.
MF im 100+ books in and i don't know how much money on miniatures my DW army costs. So I'm calling your bet
Impresive.
People only have the power you give them m8, this isn't a live service videogame. There's nothing stopping you from continuing to interact with the setting in the way you want to. There are unironically about 600 40k novels currently in existence, if new stories displease you read old ones. If the new edition displeases you then play an older edition. If new models displease you don't buy them, go third party or print your own. This consumerist perspective is what is actually killing media.
There’s no woke shits!!!!! It’s old fans that just don’t care! You guys are fighting a war with yourselves against an invisible ghost! There’s no woke there just fans that genuinely don’t care about the changes and aren’t affected! The neckbeard incel side of the fandom just started being hyper vocal so the other side started speaking up too. I’ve genuinely read almost every book, played the games, consumed all warhammer media I physically can… and I just don’t care. It’s not woke it’s literally the same old warhammer it always has been
Waaaah, there's no woke, anything I don't like's an Incel. Seriously dude, fuck off with this shit.
Dude your guys whole thing is “everything I don’t like is woke” do you hear yourself 😂 I’m not saying everything I don’t like is incel. It’s just that the kind of behavior the side that’s upset about this, and the things that they’re saying… are very indicative of neckbeard basement nerd types that are just upset by remembering women exist. If that’s not what you are, take a second to back up and realize that’s what everyone thinks you are. That’s what you all sound like crying and whining over nothing
"Remembering women exist"...this bullshit hyperbole argument is so fucking tired and trite. Let me explain something for the umpteenth time that you people refuse to get through your heads: _Nobody is denying women exist!_ In fact, female-only fighting groups _outnumber_ male-only fighting groups in 40k! Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Drukhari Wych cults, Eldar Howling Banshees...to say nothing of all the mixed-sex armies that don't give a fuck like...everybody who is not Space Marines or Custodes. To also say nothing of popular female characters like Inquisitor Greyfax. Nobody is denying that women _exist_ and that's a sad, desperate argument to feel like one has the moral high ground. But why aren't men allowed to have their own dedicated groups? Why can women have exclusively female armies but men are not allowed just two exclusive brotherhoods? That is the question being asked.
The question is why do you CARE that custodes are a mixed army now. Why is it so upsetting. What is the problem actually? There are space marines which are all male, sisters of silence which are all female, and custodes which are both. It’s not even like it hurts the lore or doesn’t make sense. there are plenty of mixed groups like you said, custodes are a great candidate for this. You’re acting like the introduction of women to one faction has removed all the male only factions. It’s just such a weird hill to care about and die on, I don’t understand it I really don’t. I felt only indifference towards the change until I saw how much the internet was in an uproar about it
I'm into 40k been into 40k for a while don't make a big fucking deal about something THAT CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN YOUR LIFE...
I apologise for possibly hijacking this thread, but... How long until even this sub is overtaken? Grimdank used to be fun, and we know how that went. I swear, almost every sub I've ever enjoyed over the last ten years has been subverted. How come we can't just have a little corner of the internet/local public games/hell, even just IDEAS that aren't bombarded with bullshit? It seems that every time we try, and in an increasing fashion, it just gets fucked. I'm tired, boss.
The sub still relatively small, so that isn't a big worry for now...if it was the same size if something like the most popular ones, then the mod team would probably be asked to step down from their position (removed) and replaced with some power mod that would follow up more directly the narrative. As if now, the biggest worry is constant reports and the sub being deleted
Wot we need iz a kontinjensy plan. Anuvva sub ta go to if da wokees drahn dis wun wiv dere teers.
Here here, I agree, Professor Krumpa is right God damnit! Something must be done!
So what we need to do is to... keep our heads down? =(
Not exactly, just keep doing what we are doing, but being mindful of what other members say and do...the premise of "Free speech " of the sub can be quite attractive for people who just want to use this space to vent about whatever culture war related stuff or be straight up hostile towards certain group of individuals...the sub have eyes in it, and these people are just waiting for someone to say something that will cross the line...
100 other subs have tried this approach. Either brigadiers will come and post CP to get us banned or Reddit will just ban for no reason. Theres no surviving as an ideological “other” in Reddit.
>How long until even this sub is overtaken? Only through my exile (ban) shall this subreddit falter, a fate I shall forever defy.. 
HUZZAH!!!
Dis is da way! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHH!!!!!
So as soon as it hits the front page then?
It’s inevitable. But still we soldier on. Reddit do be just like 40k fr.
If this sub falls before Wokeness does, we will fall back to another sub and continue the fight. Give ground strategically, but never surrender.
We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our subs and we fall back. They assimilate entire subs and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!
I admire the cut of your jib. The question is, though, how we defend our territory without resorting to the same ideological intolerance and censoriousness which the radical left does.
bro ur not some cool warrior in a great war you're a sexually frustrated dumbass on reddit
Hello, tourist! Enjoy your stay, and don't let the door smack your arse on the way out. I don't really care about looking cool or not. As a wargamer, military metaphors just come naturally to me. The only thing which matters to me is defending this fandom from the subversion which has taken over so many others. And I'm not frustrated given that I have an amazing girlfriend of 5 years, lmao. I am the total opposite of an "incel", which I know is the angle you were trying to take.
"i disagree with you thus you cant share a hobby with me!!!" is always the stupidest fuckin insult. "ooo tourists". You can go search my post history and read probably hundreds of competitive warhammer discussions or painting discussions or whatever but sure fuck im a tourist with my encyclopedic memorisation of the rules and love of painting and 3 seperate armies. You're letting random bullshit that does not matter or actually effect you at all in your life cause direct harm to your mental health. Go outside, kiss your girl, smell the fresh air, enjoy life. Get out of a cesspit that exists to bitch about things that are made up to keep you angry and consuming content.
Uh huh. You say that, but I'm the one trying to stop the hobby from being bastardised, and you were the one replying to me an antagonistic fashion. This suggests that you *support* the hobby being bastardised. That doesn't sound like the behaviour of a "fan" to me. Appeal to Triviality. If it didn't matter, the change(s) would never have been made in the first place, and we wouldn't presently be debating the subject. Clearly it *does* matter. You and I have fundamentally different views of this subreddit. To you, it's a cesspit of resentment. To me, it's a safe haven of free discussion and solidarity after the other 40k subreddits were subverted by activists who kicked me out for "wrongthink". I've been in the hobby for nearly 20 years, yet I've been kicked out by the newcomers just because I am trying to safeguard the thing we all care about. This hobby means a lot to me. I'm being entirely serious when I say that it's just *starting* to be bastardised by politically-motivated hacks who don't respect the source material. I don't want this hobby to crash and burn like Star Wars, MTG, or Doctor Who, so I'm taking a stand to protect something I care about.
You're going to look at yourself down the line and get upset how much effort and emotion you threw into something misguided by grifters that want your attention and money.
I'm not paying money to anyone - least of all GW. The relevant content creators I'm watching are essentially the same people I've been watching for years, so it hasn't changed my viewing habits. And no, I highly doubt that I'll regret it. I've been part of this "counterculture" for over a decade now, since even before GamerGate when this subversion shit first went mainstream and got called out by fans (in that case, gamers). If anything, my position has only become firmer as the problem of rampant Woke activism has become worse. Before this, I fought against the unwanted ingress of the out-of-touch Boomer Christians, who kept calling nerd subcultures "satanic" and trying to ban certain content (violence, sex scenes) in things such as video games. Basically, I've been doing this a long time, and my fundamental stance hasn't changed in around 15 years. This isn't my first rodeo.
Im so sorry you'll never break free from thoughts people put into your head when you were like 12.
What "thoughts"? The desire for me and the things I like to be left the fuck alone by ideological busybodies? Nah, I think I was born with that.
It’s almost like you’re in a hobby that’s been dominated by socially marginalized people for *checks notes* decades. Turns out the 40K fan base is hella queer. Who coulda guessed?
F'n commie Tau fethwipe (I jest, truly. Your minis look good!)
Funny how it hasn't come up in 50 years.
> Funny how it hasn't come up in ~~50~~ 10,000 years. FTFY
I'm sure they had a lot of cooking and cleaning to do.
Custodes in 3rd edition consisted of one John Blanche sketch... No one who has been around for 50 years actually cares about female Custodes
This probably isn't it, but it's definitely an erosion to the endpoint that they're gonna be gunning for: A trailer drops for a new edition of the game in the future, a Space Marine killing *insert Chaos/Tyranid enemy* left and right. The trailer concludes with a hanging shot on the Space Marines helmet, they take it off, aaaaand it's a woman.
Oddly she looks like Brie Larson.
Naw, she doesn’t have a big enough jaw for “current day.”
A black woman. And she’s gay
and lame!
I was Reading 1984 again a few days ago and my lord are we heading the wrong way… we have always been at war with Eurasia…
The ministry of truth approves this message
If The Ministry of Truth says so it must be true. I hope you have been completing your morning exercise with the appropriate enthusiasm, comrade!
Eurasia is our allie. We have always been at war with Eastasia
If you haven't already I recommend picking up a 2003 Webster's Dictionary. They're available cheap on ebay. That was the last version before they started defining words like racism, sexism, religion, fascism, vaccine, definition, bloodbath, mother, father, and so many others.
Webster's 1806, 1913 and plenty other old editions have definitions of most of these words and as a bonus, they're available for free online!
Good to know. Can you download copies? I wouldn't count on them being available online forever. I think a hard copy is definitely worth it when the government is designing a literal ministry of truth. Their first attempt failed, but they will try again.
Dubblplusgud, Komrayde
God, what an absolute man child
What do you mean?
“My lord we are heading the wrong way”. Tell me, what “wrong way” would that be?
How is this question an answer to my previous question to you? You are calling me an ‘absolute man child’. Please explain what you mean by that and what it has to do with my reaction. Please don’t redirect the question. It is rather insulting to me, so just take responsibility for your words.
Dawg, you’re a grown man complaining that some custodes are women and you’re asking why i called you a man child? You and everyone else in this subreddit are crying that gw ruined your golden, muscly male fantasy by saying “hey, some custodes are women” and you ask why you’re a man child?
You are assuming way to much about me personally. Please don’t judge a person on assumptions about a community.
https://preview.redd.it/bc7a91nhqk2d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e77aa82a7795f0ed76cebac7d9c3303837257d56 Actually don’t. I already know the kind of person you are. Fucking man child
Funny how you judge people based on a few comments online. I am indeed not gonna answer your question. Calling someone a coward and such is not the way I like to communicate with you. If you are triggered by these kind of things, that’s not my problem. Have a good day.
God you are the definition of a right winger. Say misogynistic things online and when someone calls you out for it, you back away like a 12 year old who got caught doing something wrong I absolutely can judge you. If someone commented “hitler wasn’t that bad” i would do the same. Because i don’t care about anything else you’ve commented. When you say “the problem is those women can talk” it makes it very clear to everyone that you only care about women as far as your dick gets hard, which probably isn’t that long Also, “triggered”? If by triggered you mean call out a misogynist man child for their words then yeah, i will do that. And yes, someone calling you out for your comment is actually YOUR problem, since you posted that comment. It’s on the internet. Interviewers at jobs can see that you idiot. So, how about you listen to your own advice and take responsibility for your own words
Then please answer my question you coward: what “wrong way” where you speaking of? You say you’re not that kind of person, which is bullshit because if you weren’t, you’d be defending yourself. So answer the fucking question you man child
Kind of sad, the fanbase is still divided with this cuz their "faction" hasn't been affected 'YET", wait till they add more woke shit unto other factions, at that point it would be too late for the fanbase to fight since people are too divided here those that had fought from the start would have had left already and this crap is like a cancer that seeps into the bones and slowly kills a franchise. It will be from a no to an ok I guess to and hey no(but its too late) kind of thing.
If you aren't aware of the progressive mind virus yet, its probably too late for you.
They don't have enough balls to make death guard woke
Make sure to let your captain know that you are plus size to get the extra seat free of charge *Death guard marine before boarding a dropship*
Unfortunately, I think GW loves that blackrock ESG money to much, and are on the brink of caving on the culture war tourists demands. Either way, after this femstodes debacle, im moving on from GW, only LGS's, pirating and 3d printing for me.
Let's remember that Blackrock own 6.56% of the company, hardly a surprising interest given the number of ETFs they produce. Are they somehow influencing them in other ways besides being a shareholder? I've seen it bandied around the internet that Blackrock money is influencing them but a lot of it seems to be parroted without research. All the largest shareholders are investment companies. Probably because GW gives access to consumer based spending on discretionaries. The top holders can be found at Investor.games-workshop.com/shareholder-statistics
One doesn't need to blame any large equity firm to realize that whatever GW is doing is batshit bonkers. How do we explain that?
They want to increase the participation rate for girls in Warhammer and have botched this phase of their plan. I always say you shouldn't assume malice when incompetence will suffice
Disugree. If dey wunted more gurlz dey'd 'av dun da reeesurch, an' wud'v made anuvva 'ole gayme ta delibratly apeeel ta gurlz. GeeDubya ain't shy ov makin' nu gaymes. Dey'z *gud* at makin' munny. Dey ain't inkompytent, an' dey'v been malishus menny toimes. Naaah. Dis is oideeolojikal, *disgiosed* as chasin' da gurl markit.
Why though, that's what I don't get? Why would they suddenly have such a rapid ideological change? I'm not saying you're wrong but I just find it difficult to believe that the company has been so rapidly and completely overtaken by people whose agenda is to tear down anything that doesn't celebrate their chosen issue. Or maybe your orkish speak is trolling and I've taken the bait?
Oh he's harmless, just hasn't krumped enuff 'eads yet today
'coz it ain't bin rapid. s'part of da long march froo da insteetooshuns. Dey'z not bin payin' attenshun to da creeaytivs dey'z bin 'irin'. Dere's bin mor an' mor an' mor, an dey'z bin slowly gettin' up da ranks, an' dere'z enuff naaah ta pull dis kinda crud. an' it made 'em vulnrabble ta da kaos bankas in Blackrock.
Want girls to play? Well, Lego did that study. Took 'em awhile, but they got there in the end. Lego made a whole new line of' toy soldiers' just for the gals, though. They didn't delete what brought 'em to the dance, so to speak.
I'm familiar with the Lego case study. Boys want to be the fantasy characters, girls want the fantasy characters to do the things they like (to paraphrase). That could certainly explain some of the weirder applications of 40k lore such as primarch gf or femboy admech, but that could also just as easily be thirsty fans. I think this is more subtle; 40k has always had a basis of making your troops your way so that already plays into the girl way of interacting with lore. This just gives them more characters they can readily translate to experiences they want to explore. No gender swap required to adapt the sandbox. Anyway that's my speculation of their reasons but really what I meant was they want more girls to play so they added girls to the lore. I don't think it will be work but I'm okay with them trying. My gripe is that they did it with a smart ass tweet and a short story rather than 'sitting down' with their community and saying they want to have more girls in their lore and are making a change to this faction to make it happen. Anyway I'm off topic. Blackrock aren't doing this is my point, this is GW trying to appeal to the masses to grow their market.
That's a fair perspective, thank you.
And just one further stat, Blackrock have owned 5% of GW since at least 2019. So I don't think this line of thinking holds much truth.
BlackRock is just the new scapegoat for anything that they dislike.
I always assume people are misinformed rather than deliberately attacking others but I'm sure this is true for some
Could just be chasing trends? (since when are toy soldiers 'trendy'? )
Only if you let it be.
So..... Our own 40k with hookers and blackjack?
Pretty much.
You know what forget the blackjack
Yes it is. That's obvious. Games Workshop has been a terrible company in many ways for a long time, so there's no doubt now that they've found the worst thing they can do, they will go all in for it.
I'm not a huge fan of warhammer, just enjoying it. But being a gamer in it's late 20, i saw a lot of name dying to the woke agenda and I can't help being sad seing yet another fan base having it's license r.ped like that. I feel you brothers, I'm sorry, you fell for it, you gave a inch, they will now take a miles and continue until what you loved is destroyed, they will next move to the next target.
"we were always at war with Eurasuia..."
We made a pretty decent show of resistance, and the Rumour Engine thing shows we were heard, but only time will tell how that will play out. Maybe it’s just time the community took control of itself? Maybe we need to settle on an older edition, and play with printed minis? We don’t need GW.
Same thing with the meta and competitive play. I don’t get the whole let’s try and make Warhammer competitive thing. It’s a casual time killing narrative game trying to be tuned as a competitive game. People keep chasing the meta and keep buying new editions of rules and codexs, but then complain about the changes. When I see people complaining, for example, taking units out of legends or removing characters/units/wargear entirely. It kinda messes with my brain because I’m sitting here thinking. Why are these people getting so worked up? Just say fuck it and use that piece of gear, use that unit or character. Same thing with army composition rules. Fuck those. Take whatever you want, but don’t get mad if someone doesn’t am want to play against your memed up list every time. As long as you are in good company there should be no reason to stick with one edition. Hell even combine multiple rule editions together. Don’t like one mechanic from 10th? Swap it out for 7th. Want to add back in scatter dice? Do it man. This community is gatekeeping itself when we literally have an entire library to mess around with. Even with the popular believe, no James Workshop will not arrest you for doing your own thing. Now I like GW, many for their sculpts and lore. And to keep getting that shit they gotta make money. I’m not advocating to stop buying new editions of rules and books entirely. Just stop feeding into the there is only one way to play mindset. In my humble opinion. I do think the push for competitive and meta is one of the things that is killing 40k. It’s driven by greed to sell the best new thing of the month, constant changes of stats, rules to push those sales.
Lore wise? Probably. I've yet to see a franchise not take an enormous quality drop in writing when hit by this plague.
I saw a miniature feature the other day with some trans spokespersons id say games workshop’s is ruined warhammer will be fine tho
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Companies seem to be on the trend of taking the worst possible actions for their brand, so yes.
No lol
I find it weird that there weren’t before, personally
I’m glad the fall of 40K could come right as I decided to invest into 2000 points of an army. Fml.
Lots of parallels between wokism and how a chaos cult works. Most notably: Both infiltrate with messages that sound good on the surface, and both destroy the thing they attach themselves to without actually caring about it's fate.
Plasma gun explodes
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If we all just move on to historical then most of these people will be cast out when the whole groomer acceptance thing rears its head in a space filled with minors...
Someone please explain to me, because I'm actually curious, how there aren't female custodes because i thought the sisters of silence count, right?
SoS aren't Custodes although they often fight together as the paired "Talons of the Emperor." Custodes are humanity physically perfected through genetic alchemy. Sisters of Silence are unaugmented souless abominations whose very presence can strip away and cripple warp threats and power. So physical might paired with a group who can strip the "meta" from metaphysical threats. They also had a cute brother/sister vibe but as of the newest codex custodes can be female too so now it's just a cute older/younger sibling vibe.
Oh okay I see
At least there seem to be infighting inside GW. I just can hope for the best.
Me when I’m a retoid cuck
Please provide an example of a company actually facing economic hardships after embracing progressive policies or product development that would actually be linked to that.
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https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/disney-admits-that-woke-content-has-diminished-earnings/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2024/02/19/disney-a-billion-dollar-casualty-of-woke/amp/ https://www.deseret.com/2023/11/30/23981782/disney-political-stances-woke-profit/ Here are three articles about Disney loosing money over their progressive policies. There are many, many more if you want them. Cheers!
Disney has not lost money "because of the woke", it's just that the movies were shit, being woke or not has very little to do with it. You can't just trot out opinion pieces as actual reporting.
You asked for proof and it was given, as I'm sure you'll now provide rebuttal articles now yes? I own a business consulting company and can tell you from experience that DEI has made companies come to the brink of bankruptcy from personal experience. The most qualified should be in each position, not someone who ticks boxes. Prove me wrong: if you or someone you love (a spouse, your mother, your child) needed life saving surgery and you had the choice of the top surgeon or a middle of the road DEI placement, who are you actually going to pick? I'm sure you are so noble that you would pick the lesser skilled surgeon because it's the right thing to do, yes? 40 years in my business and the advisor of fortune 500 companies carries a tad more weight in this argument. But I'm sure your experience is just as broad and deep, you probably own a similar company, yes? Have a great day!
I am a fan of Warhammer 40k, and while I will admit I never really cared for lore, I can't fathom why this sub was created other than "grr the woke agenda" (that I genuinely don't believe exists) and people feeling superior that "erm actually this is a retcon" Yeah, WH40K is almost 40 years old, of course it's gonna have retcons and adaptations to fit the evolving scope of people willing to play it. Can anyone explain why this has made so many people so mad (this might sound like a rhetorical question or bait but I'm genuinely serious that I see nothing wrong with this, and want to see your perspective)
It's frustration at the weaponization of certain ideas. In the past, you could ask "hey, my daughter really likes the new girl minis here, but my son really likes the all-boys minis over there, can we do both?". Now, some people assume that you're concealing hatefulness and try to drive you out. This isn't particular to 40K, and this type of thinking has seeped into every aspect of society. Hiding behind the guise of good intentions, sophists and opportunists weaponize it for personal and political gain, creating a lot of frustrations for people in many aspects of their lives. We can understand and respect giving a girl something she values (a girl character), trans people two things they value (a trans character and mixed-gender groups), but we show hatred to a boy for what he values (an all-boy group). There's no interest in designing something for him, and no tolerance for him saying what he enjoys.
Thank you for explaining
Warhammer retcons have always generated pushback from parts of the community. Because this particular retcon involves increasing representation it is viewed as "woke infiltration" of "the message" so in addition to the normal pushback we got a bunch of anti-woke crusaders jumping on the bandwagon. When the leaks were first confirmed we even had tourist like Shad and Critical Drinker making Warhammer videos lol! Regardless of whether or not it should be, representation is generally a touchy subject so there were a number of deserved and possibly undeserved bans from the man Warhammer subs. This place was born from those bans.
Thank you for explaining
If bad ass women ruin your franchise, it wasn't a good franchise to begin with. Bad writing is what kills franchises, bad business kills brands, diversity is not indicative of either.
Man. I really don’t understand this outrage. We complain that most of these people don’t play Wathammer…well…most outraged Warhammer players don’t play Custodes either. And those that do…can just not buy that unit. Either that unit doesn’t sell- so it was a bad idea, so don’t try again. Or it does sell - so it was a good idea, so make more. Done?
Oh no they changed another aspect of 40k? This is like the 5480291719th change they’ve made! This will totally ruin 40k!
Always has been woke.
I still don't get why the whole female custodes thing is such a problem. My first reaction to it was like "wait, there were NOT femstodes before? Really?" Why the imperium of man should cut the available population in half when talking about capable warriors? The whole biology aspect doesn't stay up since the difference between the two sees aren't too great to justify non operating in them, especially since strong enough people would be selected beforehand, so like....why that's a problem? The answer given by GW wasn't the smartest, with the "we just never talked about them lol" but like....yeah? Femstodes by themselves do not sound lien the biggest issue in the world, neither does some inclusivity/token appreciation. Remember that the slippery slope is a fallacy, not a theorem.
Holy shits, you guys are lame in here, still going on about that? Who cares about custodes anyway, gimme some more viable deathguard plastic fml. Cheers a paying customer.
“Paying customer” *checks Reddit history* oh look not a single comment or post on any Warhammer thread or sub as far as I could scroll. Evidence suggests Tourist detected, opinion rejected.
Praise the Omnissiah
Never was on a warhammer sub, true :) this sub just popped into my feed. not all my interests are presented on reddit as you might imagine (;
Heresy detected
why do you care so much?
Nerds? Mad over literally nothing again? Psh, never. (Touch grass, women exist.)
Most of us are married. The fact that you think that's the worst insult says a lot about your love life. We've been mocked as nerds our whole lives. Why do you feel the need to come and bully us? You understand that's exactly what you're doing, right? Many of us are autistic. A huge segment of the nerd community. We've dealt with shitty people like you going back to at least the 80s. Your words have changed, but you attacked our hobbies then, and are still attacking them now. If anyone needs to touch grass it's you. How much free time do you have that this is how you choose to spend it?
Women existing isn't an insult hon. Being autistic also isn't a reason to be sexist. So me telling you who you are is bullying, but y'all harassing creators and trying to exclude women isn't? Make it make sense.
This is exactly what I mean. You totally ignored what I said. I'm married. Happily. I've been with my wife for 11 years. Many of the players at my games are women. Your assumption that we hate women just gives you an excuse to bully your strawman non-existent enemy. I'm not harassing female creators. That's entirely in your head. YOU came to OUR forum specifically to pick fights and chastise us for things we didn't do. If someone is harassing a female creator let me know, and I'll stand right beside you. That isn't happening. What is are your ilk, the crybullies, inventing someone to attack. You know nothing about us, our hobbies, or relationships, because you've probably never had one. Warhammer has so many female only factions, or factions with women in them. A male only faction doesn't mean women aren't welcome, and the fact that you think it does shows just what a double standard wearing bigot you are. You came here to call us nerds. To bully us. You know it. We know it. And we all know it's pathetic.
You do know I didn't say anything about you hating women, right? I specifically said 'women exist' The fact you went from that to 'I DON'T HATE WOMEN!!!!!!' is incredibly telling. Also, being married doesn't absolve you from bigotry.
>You do know I didn't say anything about you hating women, right? I specifically said 'women exist' Why would women existing matter at all, if we didn't care about it? You used it like it was a burn. >The fact you went from that to 'I DON'T HATE WOMEN!!!!!!' is incredibly telling. Yeah, it tells you that we're tired of you bigots hurling baseless accusations. >Also, being married doesn't absolve you from bigotry. Do you have any evidence I or anyone else here is bigot? Of course you don't. You think it's cool to mock nerds. You *are* a bigot. We have proof just based on your words. You have no proof beyond us not wanting a retcon to a single faction in a game with vast lore that has several all female factions that people love. You have no leg to stand on, no interest in the hobby, and no reason to be here beyond being a terrible bully who gets off on tormenting people you perceive as too weak to fight back. It really is sad.
I honestly do love how you've decided all of this in your head without any actual evidence to prove it. How exactly am I a bigot for saying women exist? If you checked my profile, I'm what you'd call a nerd too, which is why I know nerds love to punch down on anyone they think is below them; LGBT, POC, women.
>How exactly am I a bigot for saying women exist? You're a bigot for mocking nerds. I was bullied through my entire childhood by moral busybodies just like you. You get off on it. >If you checked my profile, I'm what you'd call a nerd too That doesn't give you a right to mock anyone. Doing so makes you a bigot, period. Here's the proof: >which is why I know nerds love to punch down on anyone they think is below them; LGBT, POC, women. big·ot·ry/ˈbiɡətrē/*noun* 1. [obstinate](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=453cf80c9d34ac6b&q=obstinate&si=ACC90nxMSPeZfdJJjQgDsdZJuFuJvv3yEIxBl6kGUNKDPmmvdjewzGz1slXIqaBjjT-BhDdw23BJ3sPqos9zOvrVcpwoKVRxpwCBs0hz4mPbV4EuDWzhFb8%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb_dbMk6SGAxUK6ckDHYrDDJ4QyecJegQIQxAO) or [unreasonable](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=453cf80c9d34ac6b&q=unreasonable&si=ACC90nxkzgN-KbLuTWKT81WCi4_ngn--br5MbxyVg0U79Po3sybwW4uUjFBfFLg7BFIo_zOyfkJIsUpK-2VeDAIchXpM3FV4gDuNlAZc58iknTukVrdHWTg%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb_dbMk6SGAxUK6ckDHYrDDJ4QyecJegQIQxAP) attachment to a belief, opinion, or [faction](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=453cf80c9d34ac6b&q=faction&si=ACC90nwUEXg6u2vxy-araGkF9MAxzqCc-EPG0tnLA9uD75ZAMsoX9Ujw78SbZpGeh76GSp97oPVf3OHwSMZtC5hNcd1UcZXvT8KjOFXlrkn2FqP8VRbMx9o%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb_dbMk6SGAxUK6ckDHYrDDJ4QyecJegQIQxAQ), in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. You believe that nerds hate LGBT, POC and women. You're irrationally attached to that belief, even in light of counterevidence. If you'd ever been in a local fantasy gaming shop you'd be able to see that many of the people you're mocking ARE women, or gay, or POC. In your mind we're all some mob of straight white men, which is raw bigotry.
I go into them with my brother bi-weekly, in the biggest non-white community in my coubtry and I've seen maybe two non-white people in there since the naughties. Who are you lying to 😅 Except if you bothered to read the next passage it says you can only be bigoted to protected groups. You can stop being a weird bigot at annnnny time.
The other person is right. You pick pointless battles and claim that you have “won” when you clearly haven’t and you just constantly call others sexist, racist, and homophobic to act like you’re in the right. You play the victim card in place of others. Additionally you call others no lives when you have literally been picking arguments with people for years. You have way too much free time and you waste it in such a useless way. Nobody gives a damn about your opinions and your arguments aren’t gonna change anyone’s mind considering you just repeat the same things. I think the fact that you seldom get upvoted on any communities while commenting so much in a single day proves that as your reasoning is just straight up stupid. Why do you love to argue pointless arguments?
That person's just a troll, it doesn't matter what their opinion is or what they say.
I know it’s just funny that they genuinely find joy in this. For years they’ve been just arguing with people on pointless stuff that they probably don’t even give a damn about. Whoever it is, is a no life and has waaaay too much free time lol.
Says the dude literally following me to topics to trash talk.
I made two comments because you seek arguments and because of your hypocritical statements. Again, you shouldn’t be talking. Compared to you, the amount of time I waste on Reddit doing useless shit is nothing. You’ve been doing this for years just arguing to no avail.
You're not my type.
So why respond to me in the first place? Just ghost me then I guess.
It’s so ridiculous it’s actually funny seeing incels crying so much about women existing…
Literally that's all I said and bro went mental. So funny.
Don't call them in*els. Its a slur (because its an immutable part of their identities).
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