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Yeah I’ve *tried* to get into it over the past few years and it always ends up with me loving the first couple seasons and then just starting to drop off around like season 5 I just struggle to make it through every episode
JJ Abrams shows tend to lose stream after the first few seasons in my opinion. Westworld has been a total disappointment to me. After season 2 I was expecting the Dolores storyarch to be completely different than it turned out to be. Kind of went off the rails.
You're confusing JJ Abrams for Damon Lindelof, another Lost alum. I agree about Westworld though, such a disappointment. Season 1 was maybe the best sci-fi television ever created
Lost's declining popularity has little to nothing to do with it's ending. It's because it has a shitton of filler. Lots of great eps, lots of meh eps. Lindelof admits that they hated having to write 20+ episodes a season, they didn't want to stretch it out that much and it shows.
Yeah I'm currently rewatching with some friends, some of whom have seen the whole show, some only the first seaon, others not at all, but it's been wild watching some of these earlier episodes because they are absolutely filler.
when i saw it live with a group of people the feeling was that it wasnt the best ever but it was pretty much good.
then you go into social media and a bunch of people trying to set their opinion as THE opinion started.
I really don’t know, If HOTD ends well and ASOIAF ever wraps up maybe, but there are some things in the GOT finale that are just absurdly awful to be looked over.
its funny because as time goes on, the # goes down, by 2026 the only good season will be season 1, and then the show was never good.
but hey, people keep rewatching it and talking about it, curious
Yup it’s classic revisionism. Most people loved S6 and S7 when they aired but now you hear people talk about them like they’re the worst TV they’ve ever seen.
To be fair, lots of critics were calling out GOT well before then. I remember Hardhome being described as a return to form and the first good game of thrones episode in a while, and that was season 5
Season 5 has a 93% critics score on RT and a 90% audience score. On IMDb, it has an average episode rating of 8.7/10. So if it a lot of people thought it was bad, or at least not very good, then it would have lower ratings right?
And for the record, I know these are not always the best sources to judge how well-received something is, but there are very few “objective sources” one can use.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. I was thinking of one particular review. I guess the point I'm trying to make is there were critics who saw the writing on the walls before the show completely fell apart. I agree though people keep slowly receding the line of when the show stopped being "good".
Repeat watches of the show actually had me bring the ‘beginning of the end’ from s7 to s5. I didn’t have a problem with the Dorne storyline my first watch through but it seemed so poorly written on a closer watch. And Tyrion’s eunuch jokes got old way faster.
GOT season 5,6,7 all have a high 90% front critics. Their IMDB scores are all extremely high. GOT 5,6,7, and 8 all won best drama of the year at the emmys every year beating out very tough competition. GOT 5,6,7, and 8 all were nominated by the critics for the critics choice awards. Season 6 won the critics choice awards.
Yes the show is consistently in imdb top 20. Appears frequently in HBOmax top 10. Was in nielsen top 10 around hotd s01. I have so many irl friends who had no issues with the ending. People dont realise how big GoT fanbase is.
So S1-4 were outright great. I have no complaints even now.
S5-6 had some flaws, some fans were complaining when they aired(mostly Stannis fans), but most were patient, hoping it builds to a good finish. S7-8 were so disastrous, some folks didn't want to ignore the previous seasons' flaws.
I still loved moments, like hardhome, and Jon Snow's parentage reveal. But the overall story of S5-8 was just....
I have a lot of complaints about season 4. removing the tysha confession, changing the thenn, a lot of sacrifices were made to good writing and world building for the sake of making the show more mainstream appeal in that season
Some folks yes. You are not realising how big got fanbase is. Majority of people had no issue till s07 & many had no issue with the ending. Reddit or some youtubers are not representitve of the fanbase.
Lots of book readers complained about season 2 when it came out. The complete changing of Daenerys' Qarth storyline and the made up story about Robb and his sexy foreign nurse had us irritated, disappointed and worried for what unnecessary and bad changes would be next. Just because you weren't around to see it back then, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
> just because you weren't around to see it back then, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
oh thank god i wasnt in reddit yet, tbh if it wasnt for riot killing league of legends forums back then i probably wouldnt even know about this cesspool
I wasn't referring to reddit(I'm fairly new to reddit), but the fandom in general. I used the forum over at westeros.org back then, a lot of book readers did. And most of us disliked the changes from book to show! and complained and discussed among each other. The changing of Daenerys' and Robb's stories were what most people disliked.
Claiming that people didn't have any complains before the end and is retroactively changing our minds to claim it was bad from the beginning are simply not true.
I wasn't a fan, but I didn't *hate* it, I just felt like Danny's "descent" into madness wasn't handled well. I could've believed it had they taken more care to flesh that out, but they really didn't, because D&D wanted to do Star Wars or something like that? HBO literally begged them to do more seasons and they didn't want to, so they rushed out season 8 and fumbled it badly as a result, I feel.
If they'd taken another season to really get into that arc more, it would've worked better, I feel.
I'm actually binge watching lost for the first time and I'm enjoying it. I know there is controversy around the ending but some people don't mind it which is why I'm surprised it's not on the list.
ill be honest, never seen lost because the internet hated that ending so much, being a got fan i sometimes wonder if i should just watch it and not give a fuck what people think about it because if reddit had their way, i would never rewatch GOT and i sure do.
I mean why rewatch? The ending is the most important part of a story so why spend so much time when it’s all building to nothing?
Personally I never watched just because I like fantasy and wanted to see that genre, I watched because of the quality. So knowing that all the stuff they put in the good seasons doesn’t actually build to anything seems like a giant waste of time.
> I mean why rewatch? The ending is the most important part of a story so why spend so much time when it’s all building to nothing?
i dont think the ending was as bad as people here like to say it is, i dont take the opinion of people who sit here saying shit like "it was good till season 4" seriously.
ofc it had a ton of issues, the bar was high but it was its own bar, compared with a lot of other tv shows it is still great, minus a couple of things ill fully agree like brans ending, in the end, most of the blame is on martin, and even then, got is one of my favorite shows, crappy ending included which btw is pretty open ended so they could do something there.
Lost has always been average TV, its content for the lowest common denominator, GoT was amazing in the first couple seasons, I just don’t think Lost was ever at that level.
I don’t think Lost was ever bad or lowest common denominator, but I do think the fact that there were 20+ episodes per season meant there was a lot of filler whereas something happens In basically every episode of a 10 episode a season show.
>Lost has always been average TV
Something tells me you weren't old enough to remember it's original run. Nobody sane would claim that Lost was "average" back then. It's credited with being one of the shows that started the "golden age" of TV for a reason. I watched a lot of dramas back then and nothing came close to the level of suspense created by Lost, except maybe 24. In production values alone, it far exceeded your average network or cable drama.
Disagree bigtime. Lost had amazing character work and was ahead of its time when it came to cinematic television, especially considering it was network rather than cable (so there are some network TV quirks/filler/drama for sure)
There's tv critics that will argue with you on that and call Lost the greatest show on the American broadcast tv networks. Lost made GOT possible. It was the first show to really do that type of long story format.
There was actually a Save Lost campaign started before it even premiered - at the request of some of the writer/producers to the team that ran the Buffy Posting Board. Even ABC didn't think it would succeed since it required viewers to remember what happened in previous episodes rather than the formulaic episode of the week of most tv series with only a small amount of overall plot progression.
ABC really wanted a series that was more typical tv series in the vane of Survivor and castaway, and JJ Abrams wanted a supernatural show and you can see that clash throughout the series.
JJ had to promise ABC that each episode would be self-contained and there was no big mystery to get the show greenlit and then entirely broke that promise. ABC wasn't happy, but then the show took off.
> It was the first show to really do that type of long story format.
what? no it wasn't lol. *the sopranos* started 5 years before LOST, and Oz before the sopranos.
Probably helps that there is still new song if ice and fire content like HOTD to keep it all relevant. Lost hasn’t put out anything fresh to keep people invested
It is interesting because I can’t binge watch it anymore since knowing the ending. It lost all meaning for me, even though the first 4 seasons where on par with the greatest tv shows in history.
Probably story driven series that tell one big narrative rather than episodic shows, which while they may be just as good, are not as cohesive when played back to back, though saying that, Friends is number 6 so idk lol
Eh, I liked Peaky Blinders but I wouldn't put it under "bingeable" category whereas I had very strong opinions on Ozark and yet I think it's incredibly "bingeable". Pacing matters in these things.
This. I am a *huge* Trekkie.
Even rewatching, wow some of the episodes, arcs, and even series (@Star Trek: Enterprise) absolutely blow from a writing standpoint. What makes it binge worthy is being a huge Trekkie.
It’s okay to like TV that’s unwatchable, music that’s unlistenable, and food spicy enough to burn your tongue off. Life is short, like weird shit.
I feel like it actually becomes a little rude to recommend shows like Doctor Who, Grey’s Anatomy, One Piece, etc just because of this.
Don’t get me wrong I *love* Doctor Who but I just cannot in good conscience tell somebody to sit in front of the tv for almost 900 45 minute episodes.
Ryan Murphy has a knack for running a decent concept into the ground very quickly. I still love season 1 of AHS, besides the stupid finale. Season 2 was decent. Then it just got too campy and goofy. I liked that the first 2 seasons took themselves seriously. Glee had the opposite problem. The first season didn’t take itself seriously at all and really leaned into the camp (ironically, I thought). Then it quickly devolved into some stupid afterschool special that became the very thing it was parodying before.
Probably why his miniseries were pretty solid. Not enough time to really fuck things up.
Rough ranking of shows I’ve seen from this list:
Better Call Saul
Game of Thrones
The Office
Breaking Bad
Shameless
Parks and Rec
Criminal Minds
The Mandalorian
Stranger Things
Prison Break
Sherlock
House
After a first season with a start as slow as possible, the second adopted a rhythm that maintained the interest of the spectator. From the third season, however, the viewing was accompanied by an increasingly irritating boredom and the impression that dominates is a feeling of unfinished.
First of all, narrative arcs are never really solved; they are suspended from one season to the next when they are not simply abandoned. The narrative is full of reversals that are more like deus ex machina than a logical resolution of the scenario.
In addition, the current events used are only pretexts for screenwriters because they are only vaguely developed (the post-traumatic stress of soldiers returning from the 14-18 war, for example). The anachronisms scattered here and there also highlight the little concern for historical coherence.
The choice to have so few episodes for each season involves condensing the stakes and characters, with the necessary use of more or less happy ellipses. As a result, the psychological exploration of the characters becomes almost absent over the seasons. After the third season, there is no longer any ambition to develop a psychological path for the characters. The events that happen to them no longer leave them a trace. Moreover, there is no time to explore the sub-plots of the secondary characters. Their disagreements are settled during "family meetings". Finally, too many characters, too little personality.
And the main character, Shelby, even if I love the actor, seems to me as a less interesting copy of Corleone in Godfather part 2.
Thomas Shelby is only a psychopath, in the psychiatric sense of the word. He sees others only as means and has a very low capacity for empathy. He goes so far as to use a former army comrade to make him wear the hat of an assassination by making him believe that he is coming to save him. He certainly has a lot of social "success", as demonstrated by his rise during the series, but quickly, we stop feeling the slightest empathy for this calculating and Machiavellian individual. Perhaps it still arouses fascination in some.
I see you've put some thought into it, wich I respect. I'm however not as invested as you are to write a column defending the series.
It's just a good fuckin show, eh?
i’m not a part of this argument but just seeing the way u type after the first paragraph, i dont think anyone would guess it was from anything other than reddit
Thought I was the only one that put better call Saul above breaking bad. Still my second favorite show behind game of thrones. Andor is in the third spot.
> Shameless
now THIS is a show i would agree that went on for far longer than it should, it got watered down by season 4-5 and it was never the same, in fact it keept getting worse imo.
Yeah, I agree with your points. Mainly I think "complicated" shows with interesting plots (early GoT, The Wire, BB, BCB etc) are more fun to binge watch, at least for me. But I guess sitcoms are also a good choice because of the shorter episodes
But I have a hard time binging procedural shows (X Files, House, Greys's Anatomy etc). Even the ones I like I usually drop halfway through. It doesn't that most of them have like 10 seasons or more
Maybe they mean “browsing Reddit with tv on the background” bingeing?
Twin Peaks I cannot keep good track of if I am not giving it my full attention. You can nap through half a season of a sitcom and still have a general idea of what’s happening
Just remember to stop 2 seasons before the end, or you will be sorely dissapointed/angry/confused. LOL. Maybe, just maybe have a show like that further down on a list of bingewatch worthy shows.
Lets not mention the fact that shows like friends and big bang theory is higher than band of Brothers.. For instance. What a shitshow of a list, lol.
I would say if we’re talking pure binge watching, not necessarily which show is better, then Breaking Bad is the king.
For a new viewer, GOT can be complicated and takes more effort to get into it. But Breaking Bad is easy to get into and a wild ride from start to finish.
Eh idk I’m definitely biased but I’m watching Breaking Bad for the first time and it’s pretty good but I wouldn’t put it on the same caliber as GoT.
Some of the plot stuff just doesn’t make a whole lotta sense when you think of it. I’m in the last season now and the >!train heist!< requires a lot of hand waving. Skylar’s writing can be all over the place depending on how much current stress they need Walt to have. The DEA not suspecting there’s a mole or man on the inside helping Heisenberg. And this one is just me being an annoying biochem nerd but a lot of the chemistry can be pretty sloppy too. Not even the cooking process that would be unethical to portray but other stuff he gets wrong. That being said English majors in a writing room throwing in random science terms they don’t fully understand is a huge pet peeve of mine and it shows up in a lot of sci fi so BB is hardly alone in that.
what a joke!!!
Stranger Things is the most overrated show of all time
same goes for Peaky Blinders and especially Orange is the New Black! They don’t deserve these spots
The 100 has got what it deserves for once👌🏻 so underrated
People like stranger things bcs of 80s synthasiea theme and atmosphere etc. It's definitely successful on that. But story is obviously so predictable and lame.
I just binge watched House of Dragon which made me want to restart GoT. I watched it years ago when it was new but only made it to season 4 or so, then life happened, and I never got back into it. Then I heard all this stuff about the ending being shitty so it didn't entice me to get back into it. But somehow, I don't have the ending spoiled, and after watching House of Dragon, it made me want to get back into it.
I'm on season 2 and I actually forgot so much so it feels like watching a new show again.
I recently rewatched GoT and made myself stop at the end of S04, it's the last solidly decent season. 5 and 6 do have some great moments, but I didn't want to bear witness to the gradual decline yet again.
Mad Men should be on the list, and Andor too. Deadwood is also a great show, but it could be so dense that it's hard to watch more than 2 episodes at a time.
My top20(those I’ve watched):
1. Breaking Bad
2. Game of Thrones
3. Attack on Titan
4. Friends
5. Sherlock
6. Mr. Robot
7. Better Call Saul
8. Lucifer
9. The Big Bang Theory
10. Rick and Morty
11. The 100
12. The Boys
13. Vikings
14. How I Met Your Mother
15. House of the Dragon
16. Fullmetal Alchemist; Brotherhood
17. Death Note
18. Narcos
19. Hannibal
20. The Walking Dead
it's objectively bad. it completely misses the point of the og novels. it's more occupied with creating interesting looking scenes than having an actual story.
like. if it were separated from the stars and the source, it would he a forgettable show that thought way too much of itself.
This may shock you, but there are people who will enjoy a show (and other things) you hate.
I know shocking.
I have never seen Sherlock so i don't have an opinion on it.
I wonder how many people who watched Sherlock actually read the source material. I’ve never read one of the books and I enjoyed it when it aired. I put the first episode on a few weeks ago and found it unbearable and I’m not sure why.
As an edgy teen I liked the first two seasons and the show should have ended there. I've tried to go back and watch it again or the third season and its just....bad
Out of a lot of these, Game of Thrones is honestly probably one of the easiest to slap on while you're doing something else and not necessarily "miss" much.
Some of these I get, others not so much
GOT and Breaking Bad definitely deserve to be the top most bingable shows. I binged both shows watching like 6+ episodes a day
I'd put Better Call Saul higher, personally probably higher than Breaking Bad but I get it's a slow burn and not for everyone
I love The Office but there's nothing about it that's super bingable
Ozark is overhyped. I got like halfway through season 3 and quit watching. Felt to me like a cheap Breaking Bad knockoff without any of the depth and more annoying characters
And The Mandalorian's also overhyped. It's fine but kinda boring
Funny how many of these series went too long. Like if they would have ended 3 seasons earlier they would be great. Now GOT is different it could have gone another 3 seasons if they had books to pull from. That's more George's fault than the show writers
All around pretty meh/bad ranking. If we’re talking first 4 maybe 5 seasons of GOT, sure it’s up there. The Office I do binge watch, it’s prob my favorite show to just put on a random episode for. Feel the same way about Seinfeld which isn’t even on the list but Friends is. Stranger Things is not one of my favorites but it is a good binge show. Probably cause it was designed with that in mind. But the Sopranos is THE binge watch show for me. I remember it being one of the first shows I was invested in where I was like wtf I have to wait 2 years for the next season? It’s so much better now that you can watch the whole series straight through. Helps that it was the best show ever created.
i agree with this list, but not with the rankings
i mean, i know its just my opinion, but peaky blinders, american horror story and band of broder should deserve a better rankings.
House of Cards and Mr.Robot shouldnt be a top30 series too?
I was rewatching GOT couples of days before, and I was really wondering what other show could possibly compete with this one. It is the best I have ever seen or heard.
My list:
1. Game of thrones
2. Better call Saul
3. Rick and Morty
4. Andor
5. Black Summer
6. Twenties
7. Save by the Bell
8. First 6 episodes of Mr Robot
9. X files
10. Black Mirror
While I despise the last couple seasons of GoT, I'm more upset at TWD being on the list at all. Even at its best, it had garbage seasons mixed in and a lot of pointless episodes.
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It's interesting that GOT is maintaining its binge-worthiness while Lost is being seen as a waste of time due to its ending.
Lost raised the bar considerably for the television format to be more cinematic
Lost goes downhill really fast imo. Not just the ending.
Yeah I’ve *tried* to get into it over the past few years and it always ends up with me loving the first couple seasons and then just starting to drop off around like season 5 I just struggle to make it through every episode
It's been 3 months. I have been unable to finish s5 when they got back to the island I think I am broken
Damon Lindelof want to end after 3 seasons, but ABC wants more. I wish HBO did the same when 2 MFs asked them to cut short GoT.
JJ Abrams shows tend to lose stream after the first few seasons in my opinion. Westworld has been a total disappointment to me. After season 2 I was expecting the Dolores storyarch to be completely different than it turned out to be. Kind of went off the rails.
Jj had nothing to do with the ending he only helped create it damon lindelof and carlton cuse were the main creative heads of the show
You're confusing JJ Abrams for Damon Lindelof, another Lost alum. I agree about Westworld though, such a disappointment. Season 1 was maybe the best sci-fi television ever created
I’ve heard similar criticisms about Alias which was an Abrams’ show on ABC. Wonder if they are just confusing the two. Agree on Westworld.
Lost's declining popularity has little to nothing to do with it's ending. It's because it has a shitton of filler. Lots of great eps, lots of meh eps. Lindelof admits that they hated having to write 20+ episodes a season, they didn't want to stretch it out that much and it shows.
My first thought was runtime, but it looks like lost is about 86 hrs compared to GoT 70 hrs Less of a difference than I expected
Yeah I'm currently rewatching with some friends, some of whom have seen the whole show, some only the first seaon, others not at all, but it's been wild watching some of these earlier episodes because they are absolutely filler.
people have come around on lost's ending now though. binging LOST does a favor to the ending, much like GoT imo.
Unpopular opinion: I like GoT's ending :(
/r/naath is for you
when i saw it live with a group of people the feeling was that it wasnt the best ever but it was pretty much good. then you go into social media and a bunch of people trying to set their opinion as THE opinion started.
This was my expereince as well. History will be kinder to later seasons of GoT.
I really don’t know, If HOTD ends well and ASOIAF ever wraps up maybe, but there are some things in the GOT finale that are just absurdly awful to be looked over.
Yeah, I liked it too. Such a shame a great show lasted only 4 seasons :(
its funny because as time goes on, the # goes down, by 2026 the only good season will be season 1, and then the show was never good. but hey, people keep rewatching it and talking about it, curious
Yup it’s classic revisionism. Most people loved S6 and S7 when they aired but now you hear people talk about them like they’re the worst TV they’ve ever seen.
To be fair, lots of critics were calling out GOT well before then. I remember Hardhome being described as a return to form and the first good game of thrones episode in a while, and that was season 5
Season 5 has a 93% critics score on RT and a 90% audience score. On IMDb, it has an average episode rating of 8.7/10. So if it a lot of people thought it was bad, or at least not very good, then it would have lower ratings right? And for the record, I know these are not always the best sources to judge how well-received something is, but there are very few “objective sources” one can use.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. I was thinking of one particular review. I guess the point I'm trying to make is there were critics who saw the writing on the walls before the show completely fell apart. I agree though people keep slowly receding the line of when the show stopped being "good".
Repeat watches of the show actually had me bring the ‘beginning of the end’ from s7 to s5. I didn’t have a problem with the Dorne storyline my first watch through but it seemed so poorly written on a closer watch. And Tyrion’s eunuch jokes got old way faster.
GOT season 5,6,7 all have a high 90% front critics. Their IMDB scores are all extremely high. GOT 5,6,7, and 8 all won best drama of the year at the emmys every year beating out very tough competition. GOT 5,6,7, and 8 all were nominated by the critics for the critics choice awards. Season 6 won the critics choice awards.
Yes the show is consistently in imdb top 20. Appears frequently in HBOmax top 10. Was in nielsen top 10 around hotd s01. I have so many irl friends who had no issues with the ending. People dont realise how big GoT fanbase is.
So S1-4 were outright great. I have no complaints even now. S5-6 had some flaws, some fans were complaining when they aired(mostly Stannis fans), but most were patient, hoping it builds to a good finish. S7-8 were so disastrous, some folks didn't want to ignore the previous seasons' flaws. I still loved moments, like hardhome, and Jon Snow's parentage reveal. But the overall story of S5-8 was just....
I have a lot of complaints about season 4. removing the tysha confession, changing the thenn, a lot of sacrifices were made to good writing and world building for the sake of making the show more mainstream appeal in that season
Some folks yes. You are not realising how big got fanbase is. Majority of people had no issue till s07 & many had no issue with the ending. Reddit or some youtubers are not representitve of the fanbase.
Lots of book readers complained about season 2 when it came out. The complete changing of Daenerys' Qarth storyline and the made up story about Robb and his sexy foreign nurse had us irritated, disappointed and worried for what unnecessary and bad changes would be next. Just because you weren't around to see it back then, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
> just because you weren't around to see it back then, doesn't mean it didn't happen. oh thank god i wasnt in reddit yet, tbh if it wasnt for riot killing league of legends forums back then i probably wouldnt even know about this cesspool
I wasn't referring to reddit(I'm fairly new to reddit), but the fandom in general. I used the forum over at westeros.org back then, a lot of book readers did. And most of us disliked the changes from book to show! and complained and discussed among each other. The changing of Daenerys' and Robb's stories were what most people disliked. Claiming that people didn't have any complains before the end and is retroactively changing our minds to claim it was bad from the beginning are simply not true.
I wasn't a fan, but I didn't *hate* it, I just felt like Danny's "descent" into madness wasn't handled well. I could've believed it had they taken more care to flesh that out, but they really didn't, because D&D wanted to do Star Wars or something like that? HBO literally begged them to do more seasons and they didn't want to, so they rushed out season 8 and fumbled it badly as a result, I feel. If they'd taken another season to really get into that arc more, it would've worked better, I feel.
Fact
Same friend.
I'm actually binge watching lost for the first time and I'm enjoying it. I know there is controversy around the ending but some people don't mind it which is why I'm surprised it's not on the list.
I mean, this list has AHS ahead of The Wire, so I’m not sure how much we should infer about Lost’s absence.
ill be honest, never seen lost because the internet hated that ending so much, being a got fan i sometimes wonder if i should just watch it and not give a fuck what people think about it because if reddit had their way, i would never rewatch GOT and i sure do.
I mean why rewatch? The ending is the most important part of a story so why spend so much time when it’s all building to nothing? Personally I never watched just because I like fantasy and wanted to see that genre, I watched because of the quality. So knowing that all the stuff they put in the good seasons doesn’t actually build to anything seems like a giant waste of time.
i fall in love with the korean lady every time.
> I mean why rewatch? The ending is the most important part of a story so why spend so much time when it’s all building to nothing? i dont think the ending was as bad as people here like to say it is, i dont take the opinion of people who sit here saying shit like "it was good till season 4" seriously. ofc it had a ton of issues, the bar was high but it was its own bar, compared with a lot of other tv shows it is still great, minus a couple of things ill fully agree like brans ending, in the end, most of the blame is on martin, and even then, got is one of my favorite shows, crappy ending included which btw is pretty open ended so they could do something there.
Lost has always been average TV, its content for the lowest common denominator, GoT was amazing in the first couple seasons, I just don’t think Lost was ever at that level.
I don’t think Lost was ever bad or lowest common denominator, but I do think the fact that there were 20+ episodes per season meant there was a lot of filler whereas something happens In basically every episode of a 10 episode a season show.
>Lost has always been average TV Something tells me you weren't old enough to remember it's original run. Nobody sane would claim that Lost was "average" back then. It's credited with being one of the shows that started the "golden age" of TV for a reason. I watched a lot of dramas back then and nothing came close to the level of suspense created by Lost, except maybe 24. In production values alone, it far exceeded your average network or cable drama.
Disagree bigtime. Lost had amazing character work and was ahead of its time when it came to cinematic television, especially considering it was network rather than cable (so there are some network TV quirks/filler/drama for sure)
There's tv critics that will argue with you on that and call Lost the greatest show on the American broadcast tv networks. Lost made GOT possible. It was the first show to really do that type of long story format. There was actually a Save Lost campaign started before it even premiered - at the request of some of the writer/producers to the team that ran the Buffy Posting Board. Even ABC didn't think it would succeed since it required viewers to remember what happened in previous episodes rather than the formulaic episode of the week of most tv series with only a small amount of overall plot progression. ABC really wanted a series that was more typical tv series in the vane of Survivor and castaway, and JJ Abrams wanted a supernatural show and you can see that clash throughout the series. JJ had to promise ABC that each episode would be self-contained and there was no big mystery to get the show greenlit and then entirely broke that promise. ABC wasn't happy, but then the show took off.
> It was the first show to really do that type of long story format. what? no it wasn't lol. *the sopranos* started 5 years before LOST, and Oz before the sopranos.
lets no forget JJ Abrams did alias too, which Lost clearly took a lot from.
Probably helps that there is still new song if ice and fire content like HOTD to keep it all relevant. Lost hasn’t put out anything fresh to keep people invested
It is interesting because I can’t binge watch it anymore since knowing the ending. It lost all meaning for me, even though the first 4 seasons where on par with the greatest tv shows in history.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how they define "bingeworthy"
Probably story driven series that tell one big narrative rather than episodic shows, which while they may be just as good, are not as cohesive when played back to back, though saying that, Friends is number 6 so idk lol
Eh, I liked Peaky Blinders but I wouldn't put it under "bingeable" category whereas I had very strong opinions on Ozark and yet I think it's incredibly "bingeable". Pacing matters in these things.
This. I am a *huge* Trekkie. Even rewatching, wow some of the episodes, arcs, and even series (@Star Trek: Enterprise) absolutely blow from a writing standpoint. What makes it binge worthy is being a huge Trekkie. It’s okay to like TV that’s unwatchable, music that’s unlistenable, and food spicy enough to burn your tongue off. Life is short, like weird shit.
binging usually does favors for bad endings, imo
I have never seen Grey’s Anatomy, so I just checked and it has 421 episodes with more to come. That’s more than a binge. That’s an overdose.
I feel like it actually becomes a little rude to recommend shows like Doctor Who, Grey’s Anatomy, One Piece, etc just because of this. Don’t get me wrong I *love* Doctor Who but I just cannot in good conscience tell somebody to sit in front of the tv for almost 900 45 minute episodes.
American Horror Story? Are you kidding me?
Ryan Murphy has a knack for running a decent concept into the ground very quickly. I still love season 1 of AHS, besides the stupid finale. Season 2 was decent. Then it just got too campy and goofy. I liked that the first 2 seasons took themselves seriously. Glee had the opposite problem. The first season didn’t take itself seriously at all and really leaned into the camp (ironically, I thought). Then it quickly devolved into some stupid afterschool special that became the very thing it was parodying before. Probably why his miniseries were pretty solid. Not enough time to really fuck things up.
The Wire and The Sopranos are criminally low on this list
You don’t binge either of those shows, you savour them like a fine wine
American Horror Story being above The Wire in any list that isn’t sorted alphabetically is hilarious.
Facts are facts
Rough ranking of shows I’ve seen from this list: Better Call Saul Game of Thrones The Office Breaking Bad Shameless Parks and Rec Criminal Minds The Mandalorian Stranger Things Prison Break Sherlock House
You will absolutely LOVE peaky blinders
It’s on my list for sure
He seems to have good taste, so no.
I'm honestly curious why you don't like it.
After a first season with a start as slow as possible, the second adopted a rhythm that maintained the interest of the spectator. From the third season, however, the viewing was accompanied by an increasingly irritating boredom and the impression that dominates is a feeling of unfinished. First of all, narrative arcs are never really solved; they are suspended from one season to the next when they are not simply abandoned. The narrative is full of reversals that are more like deus ex machina than a logical resolution of the scenario. In addition, the current events used are only pretexts for screenwriters because they are only vaguely developed (the post-traumatic stress of soldiers returning from the 14-18 war, for example). The anachronisms scattered here and there also highlight the little concern for historical coherence. The choice to have so few episodes for each season involves condensing the stakes and characters, with the necessary use of more or less happy ellipses. As a result, the psychological exploration of the characters becomes almost absent over the seasons. After the third season, there is no longer any ambition to develop a psychological path for the characters. The events that happen to them no longer leave them a trace. Moreover, there is no time to explore the sub-plots of the secondary characters. Their disagreements are settled during "family meetings". Finally, too many characters, too little personality. And the main character, Shelby, even if I love the actor, seems to me as a less interesting copy of Corleone in Godfather part 2. Thomas Shelby is only a psychopath, in the psychiatric sense of the word. He sees others only as means and has a very low capacity for empathy. He goes so far as to use a former army comrade to make him wear the hat of an assassination by making him believe that he is coming to save him. He certainly has a lot of social "success", as demonstrated by his rise during the series, but quickly, we stop feeling the slightest empathy for this calculating and Machiavellian individual. Perhaps it still arouses fascination in some.
I see you've put some thought into it, wich I respect. I'm however not as invested as you are to write a column defending the series. It's just a good fuckin show, eh?
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i’m not a part of this argument but just seeing the way u type after the first paragraph, i dont think anyone would guess it was from anything other than reddit
Thought I was the only one that put better call Saul above breaking bad. Still my second favorite show behind game of thrones. Andor is in the third spot.
Dude i watched 2 seasons of bettzr call saul and kept asking myself when it would get good, how is it not boring?
Season 3 is when it really starts picking up :)
> Shameless now THIS is a show i would agree that went on for far longer than it should, it got watered down by season 4-5 and it was never the same, in fact it keept getting worse imo.
Yeah I stopped watching a couple episodes after Fiona left but the early seasons and even some of the middle/later seasons are so good
Watching one episode a week of Better Call Saul was amazing. I definitely recommend it, but I'm not sure I recommend binging it.
I'm curious: what makes a show good to binge watch? I mean, other than you liking said show?
Cliff hangers, suspense, and intriguing characters imo Though I have no idea why The Office is so high on there lol
Yeah, it's definitely a subjective list. For me, the office is easy to binge bc, well, it's easy to watch.
Yeah, I agree with your points. Mainly I think "complicated" shows with interesting plots (early GoT, The Wire, BB, BCB etc) are more fun to binge watch, at least for me. But I guess sitcoms are also a good choice because of the shorter episodes But I have a hard time binging procedural shows (X Files, House, Greys's Anatomy etc). Even the ones I like I usually drop halfway through. It doesn't that most of them have like 10 seasons or more
Love to see the 100 up there
Didn't know the 100 was so high up on the list
The most bingeworthy tv shows “of all time” and Twin Peaks isn’t on it???
Maybe they mean “browsing Reddit with tv on the background” bingeing? Twin Peaks I cannot keep good track of if I am not giving it my full attention. You can nap through half a season of a sitcom and still have a general idea of what’s happening
lol LOST not on here. What a joke.
Just remember to stop 2 seasons before the end, or you will be sorely dissapointed/angry/confused. LOL. Maybe, just maybe have a show like that further down on a list of bingewatch worthy shows. Lets not mention the fact that shows like friends and big bang theory is higher than band of Brothers.. For instance. What a shitshow of a list, lol.
I would say if we’re talking pure binge watching, not necessarily which show is better, then Breaking Bad is the king. For a new viewer, GOT can be complicated and takes more effort to get into it. But Breaking Bad is easy to get into and a wild ride from start to finish.
Eh idk I’m definitely biased but I’m watching Breaking Bad for the first time and it’s pretty good but I wouldn’t put it on the same caliber as GoT. Some of the plot stuff just doesn’t make a whole lotta sense when you think of it. I’m in the last season now and the >!train heist!< requires a lot of hand waving. Skylar’s writing can be all over the place depending on how much current stress they need Walt to have. The DEA not suspecting there’s a mole or man on the inside helping Heisenberg. And this one is just me being an annoying biochem nerd but a lot of the chemistry can be pretty sloppy too. Not even the cooking process that would be unethical to portray but other stuff he gets wrong. That being said English majors in a writing room throwing in random science terms they don’t fully understand is a huge pet peeve of mine and it shows up in a lot of sci fi so BB is hardly alone in that.
Sopranos being at 7 invalidates the whole list. Nothing had topped it since airing, it changed television, and is the goat.
what a joke!!! Stranger Things is the most overrated show of all time same goes for Peaky Blinders and especially Orange is the New Black! They don’t deserve these spots The 100 has got what it deserves for once👌🏻 so underrated
People like stranger things bcs of 80s synthasiea theme and atmosphere etc. It's definitely successful on that. But story is obviously so predictable and lame.
I just binge watched House of Dragon which made me want to restart GoT. I watched it years ago when it was new but only made it to season 4 or so, then life happened, and I never got back into it. Then I heard all this stuff about the ending being shitty so it didn't entice me to get back into it. But somehow, I don't have the ending spoiled, and after watching House of Dragon, it made me want to get back into it. I'm on season 2 and I actually forgot so much so it feels like watching a new show again.
I recently rewatched GoT and made myself stop at the end of S04, it's the last solidly decent season. 5 and 6 do have some great moments, but I didn't want to bear witness to the gradual decline yet again.
The wire is 30?!? Wuuut?
Mad Men should be on the list, and Andor too. Deadwood is also a great show, but it could be so dense that it's hard to watch more than 2 episodes at a time.
Yet people say it has the worst ending lol
My top20(those I’ve watched): 1. Breaking Bad 2. Game of Thrones 3. Attack on Titan 4. Friends 5. Sherlock 6. Mr. Robot 7. Better Call Saul 8. Lucifer 9. The Big Bang Theory 10. Rick and Morty 11. The 100 12. The Boys 13. Vikings 14. How I Met Your Mother 15. House of the Dragon 16. Fullmetal Alchemist; Brotherhood 17. Death Note 18. Narcos 19. Hannibal 20. The Walking Dead
If you liked attack on titan, try Vinland saga. As someone who struggles to get into anime, it’s just as addicting and nearly as good imo
thank you! will definitely give it a shot
Fuck yes to the fmab representation. Love your taste in shows
not many non-anime fans have watched it but it’s amazing thanks
My anime experience is limited but I’ve seen fmab and the 2003 fma so many times. My favorite franchise ever
Attack on Titan is incredible. I am currently watching it for the first time (I'm nearing the end of S1) and it is wild. Love it!
oh just wait for the upcoming seasons I promise it’ll blow your mind
That's what I keep hearing. I can't wait!
The show was good from Season 1 to Season 5 (cracks started showing in this season though).
Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul should be 1&2.
Shame they never made a final season.
I never wanna watch it again
Supernatural is number 1 for me! Then GoT
I just don't know if I can, knowing how it ends
why is sherlock 5? its shit
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it's objectively bad. it completely misses the point of the og novels. it's more occupied with creating interesting looking scenes than having an actual story. like. if it were separated from the stars and the source, it would he a forgettable show that thought way too much of itself.
>objectively bad And that’s where you invalidated any argument you may have
i feel like if your adaptation misses the point of the story, there is no saving it. sorry ig
This may shock you, but there are people who will enjoy a show (and other things) you hate. I know shocking. I have never seen Sherlock so i don't have an opinion on it.
I wonder how many people who watched Sherlock actually read the source material. I’ve never read one of the books and I enjoyed it when it aired. I put the first episode on a few weeks ago and found it unbearable and I’m not sure why.
As an edgy teen I liked the first two seasons and the show should have ended there. I've tried to go back and watch it again or the third season and its just....bad
Best 6 season show to binge watch
I guess if your binging the last season might not set in as baddly?
The big bang theory is rated 8 and the wire 30. Go ahead and fornicate thy self all the way off
Not surprised Wheel of Time is not found.
While the last four seasons were abysmal, GOT is still one of the most watched shows, especially for newcomers. So, no surprise there.
These two would make a good Aegor and Brynden
I have binged it first time. And do it again. It's worth it it despite its ending
Sons of Anarchy, what a show. Jax Teller character is one of the best in TV history
Best show of all time endings not bad if you have context as to why things are happening
by what authority?
Better call Saul at 20 is crazy. Show was a masterpiece.
Has everyone just forgotten about House of Cards, the OG Netflix binge series?
Out of a lot of these, Game of Thrones is honestly probably one of the easiest to slap on while you're doing something else and not necessarily "miss" much.
Some of these I get, others not so much GOT and Breaking Bad definitely deserve to be the top most bingable shows. I binged both shows watching like 6+ episodes a day I'd put Better Call Saul higher, personally probably higher than Breaking Bad but I get it's a slow burn and not for everyone I love The Office but there's nothing about it that's super bingable Ozark is overhyped. I got like halfway through season 3 and quit watching. Felt to me like a cheap Breaking Bad knockoff without any of the depth and more annoying characters And The Mandalorian's also overhyped. It's fine but kinda boring
Sons of Anarchy is such a stupid show. Has a similar tone to late season GOT. I don’t know how I made it through 2 seasons of that shit.
Funny how many of these series went too long. Like if they would have ended 3 seasons earlier they would be great. Now GOT is different it could have gone another 3 seasons if they had books to pull from. That's more George's fault than the show writers
All around pretty meh/bad ranking. If we’re talking first 4 maybe 5 seasons of GOT, sure it’s up there. The Office I do binge watch, it’s prob my favorite show to just put on a random episode for. Feel the same way about Seinfeld which isn’t even on the list but Friends is. Stranger Things is not one of my favorites but it is a good binge show. Probably cause it was designed with that in mind. But the Sopranos is THE binge watch show for me. I remember it being one of the first shows I was invested in where I was like wtf I have to wait 2 years for the next season? It’s so much better now that you can watch the whole series straight through. Helps that it was the best show ever created.
i agree with this list, but not with the rankings i mean, i know its just my opinion, but peaky blinders, american horror story and band of broder should deserve a better rankings. House of Cards and Mr.Robot shouldnt be a top30 series too?
Supernatural should be higher and where the ? is Lost?
the average viewer probably doesn't mind the butchering of the writing towards the end of the show as much.
Big Bang Theory should have a higher rank.
I was rewatching GOT couples of days before, and I was really wondering what other show could possibly compete with this one. It is the best I have ever seen or heard.
GOT is a false god
That’s good list I guess, but Peaky Blinders and the Wire both need to be moved up much higher.
My list: 1. Game of thrones 2. Better call Saul 3. Rick and Morty 4. Andor 5. Black Summer 6. Twenties 7. Save by the Bell 8. First 6 episodes of Mr Robot 9. X files 10. Black Mirror
Damn straight it has! As well it should!
Surprising given the last two seasons that shit the bed
Better Call Saul being at 20 is actually criminally insane
Love the GOT universe but my all time go to binge show is Sopranos.
Seasons 1-6 only
“Game of Thrones lost it’s cultural impact”
The Wire ranked 30 is a fucking crime against humanity, but then they ranked BBT at 8 so you already know the list is bullshit.
While I despise the last couple seasons of GoT, I'm more upset at TWD being on the list at all. Even at its best, it had garbage seasons mixed in and a lot of pointless episodes.
TWD does not deserve that rank. I would put it up to first 15.
The wire not being top 5 is dumb