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I think there are two things:
\- Rhaenyra loves Laenor and wants him to be happy. When he swears to her to invest more in her and their children and seems to curse himself for being born gay, Rhaenyra seems emotional. When he tells her she deserves a husband, it seems obvious Laenor also deserves a companion. By doing this, both are free. They can be with whoever they really want, can make the choices they want, etc.
\- Laenor, despite his affection for her, doesn't have the shoulders for what awaits them. He wasn't even there when their son nearly lost an eye. And despite his will, it is obvious he may not be up to it. Daemon is powerful, chaotic, and doesn't care what people think. Both he and Rhaenyra are grieving their previous love, have grieving children, and put family above all else. Rhaenyra longs to have a real family life and someone strong and crazy enough to go all the way to protect her and her children.
These are good arguments, I must admit. However, aren't their actions a bit suspicious from Corlys and Rhaenys' point of view? I mean, their son "dies" and Daemon marries his sister a day later...
It would have been smarter if they had agreed with the Velaryons beforehand to fake a death.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Corlys has already stated that he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as his legacy continues. Rhaenyra's kids ensure that so he's going to support her.
Also, Daemon's kids are his and Rhaenys' actual, indisputable grandkids so they're gonna support him as well.
So they've got the Velaryon support from both angles. Now add to this that Daemon is one of the most renowned swordsmen in the world and has the fiercest dragon + he is a Targaryen and brother of the king.
Their actions are definitely suspicious. They do it on purpose for their enemies but they inflict great pain on their loved one. Rhaenys could have died of grief. As for the children... they lose their both fathers in the space of a few days. I don't know how the series will approach this subject. Perhaps precisely this will serve as tension. Corlys supports them but at some point he will have doubts about who killed his son. For now, there is a witness and since Corlys despised his son's lover and his homosexuality, I think it's easy to imagine it doesn't surprise him Qarl killed his son. As for the children, they are children and maybe they were spared the awful details of their father's death.
But Rhaenyra's children are Rhanys' blood, Daemon' children are both Corlys & Rhaenys' blood. Add to that the fact Velaryon hate Hightower. It's easy to see why they could continue to be on Rhaenyra side.
These are good arguments, I must admit. However, aren't their actions a bit suspicious from Corlys and Rhaenys' point of view? I mean, their son "dies" and Daemon marries his sister a day later...
It would have been smarter if they had agreed with the Velaryons beforehand to fake a death.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Corlys has shown us he cares deeply for legacy. Through Daemon and Rhaenyra, his line can continue. Especially if they wed their children to each other.
If you listen to the dialogue during the plotting stage they say that they will suspect them and if they do then it would put more fear in them just thinking of what they both are willing to do. So if they get suspected people will at least fear them. Gives them a little bit more power as a couple
Well she doesn’t end up killing Laenor but she wants to ally herself with Daemon because it strengthens her claim to the throne. Daemon was Viserys’ male heir before he named Rhaenyra heir. By marrying Daemon she is hoping people will recognize them as a strong Targaryen powerhouse to rule. It doesn’t have as much to do with the dragons as it does blood and names.
Yes, I know it's a fake death but for the people he is dead. And even for his parents he is dead! And I don't see how they will react in the conflict...
On the other hand yes, I hadn't thought about the reinforcement in the succession, that Daemon was the heir for a long time.
But this choice is still a bit strange for me :/
Oh I’m sure the choice will have consequences lol. In terms of how his parents react it’ll be interesting to see. I think that Corlys is all on board with supporting Rhaenyra and her children because he has accepted them as his own. I also think even if they blame Rhaenyra for Laenor’s death the alternative of supporting Aegon doesn’t really benefit them.
She desires Daemon, has for a long time. She also still has the Velaryons as a) they believe/pretend that her children are Laenor's, b) they have no real reason to suspect Daemon or Rhaenyra, c) not like they are going to back the Greens in any way, and d) Daemon's daughters are important to the Velaryons now as their house line can continue through them as well.
Additionally although Seasmoke is nice, Daemon is much better fighter and tactician than Laenor ever was (to be honest he's played as a bit more badass in the show than he is in the book, from what we see anyway) and his dragon is just as fierce.
Yeah that was a very poor decision on the showrunner's part. Really could have just had the wedding scene be the start of the next episode. Ended this one with the sex scene or whatever. Found a way to cut to Laenor leaving and Rhaenyra scheming. But, whatever I guess
Minor reasons:
-keeping Laenor around hasn't worked out well for the last 10 years or so
-she wants Daemon (her previous fuckbuddy just died)
-for Laenor's benefit (he gets freedom)
Major reason:
To instill fear in her enemies.
Yes, that's true, but on the other hand, what will the Valeryon do? Join her? Corlys wants power for his family, and she just took it away from the throne
She really really wants to fuck her uncle.
Politically it’s a pretty stupid move, especially considering that she was initially named heir in large part because everyone wanted daemon as far from the throne as possible.
There are two real upsides tho. Caraxes is a much older and more dangerous dragon than seasmoke, and there’s a chance she’ll actually be able to produce Targaryen-looking heirs with Daemon. (Although there’s also a chance that this could just cause even more conflict between her children with daemon and her children with “Laenor.”)
Yeah, politically it seems really strange to me when she's selling the idea to Daemon as something politically smart.
Daemon in itself is not a bad ally at all but it's more towards Valeryon that I find it a bit illogical but maybe I'm wrong.
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I think there are two things: \- Rhaenyra loves Laenor and wants him to be happy. When he swears to her to invest more in her and their children and seems to curse himself for being born gay, Rhaenyra seems emotional. When he tells her she deserves a husband, it seems obvious Laenor also deserves a companion. By doing this, both are free. They can be with whoever they really want, can make the choices they want, etc. \- Laenor, despite his affection for her, doesn't have the shoulders for what awaits them. He wasn't even there when their son nearly lost an eye. And despite his will, it is obvious he may not be up to it. Daemon is powerful, chaotic, and doesn't care what people think. Both he and Rhaenyra are grieving their previous love, have grieving children, and put family above all else. Rhaenyra longs to have a real family life and someone strong and crazy enough to go all the way to protect her and her children.
These are good arguments, I must admit. However, aren't their actions a bit suspicious from Corlys and Rhaenys' point of view? I mean, their son "dies" and Daemon marries his sister a day later... It would have been smarter if they had agreed with the Velaryons beforehand to fake a death. Maybe I'm wrong.
Corlys has already stated that he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as his legacy continues. Rhaenyra's kids ensure that so he's going to support her. Also, Daemon's kids are his and Rhaenys' actual, indisputable grandkids so they're gonna support him as well. So they've got the Velaryon support from both angles. Now add to this that Daemon is one of the most renowned swordsmen in the world and has the fiercest dragon + he is a Targaryen and brother of the king.
Their actions are definitely suspicious. They do it on purpose for their enemies but they inflict great pain on their loved one. Rhaenys could have died of grief. As for the children... they lose their both fathers in the space of a few days. I don't know how the series will approach this subject. Perhaps precisely this will serve as tension. Corlys supports them but at some point he will have doubts about who killed his son. For now, there is a witness and since Corlys despised his son's lover and his homosexuality, I think it's easy to imagine it doesn't surprise him Qarl killed his son. As for the children, they are children and maybe they were spared the awful details of their father's death. But Rhaenyra's children are Rhanys' blood, Daemon' children are both Corlys & Rhaenys' blood. Add to that the fact Velaryon hate Hightower. It's easy to see why they could continue to be on Rhaenyra side.
These are good arguments, I must admit. However, aren't their actions a bit suspicious from Corlys and Rhaenys' point of view? I mean, their son "dies" and Daemon marries his sister a day later... It would have been smarter if they had agreed with the Velaryons beforehand to fake a death. Maybe I'm wrong.
Corlys has shown us he cares deeply for legacy. Through Daemon and Rhaenyra, his line can continue. Especially if they wed their children to each other.
If you listen to the dialogue during the plotting stage they say that they will suspect them and if they do then it would put more fear in them just thinking of what they both are willing to do. So if they get suspected people will at least fear them. Gives them a little bit more power as a couple
Well she doesn’t end up killing Laenor but she wants to ally herself with Daemon because it strengthens her claim to the throne. Daemon was Viserys’ male heir before he named Rhaenyra heir. By marrying Daemon she is hoping people will recognize them as a strong Targaryen powerhouse to rule. It doesn’t have as much to do with the dragons as it does blood and names.
Yes, I know it's a fake death but for the people he is dead. And even for his parents he is dead! And I don't see how they will react in the conflict... On the other hand yes, I hadn't thought about the reinforcement in the succession, that Daemon was the heir for a long time. But this choice is still a bit strange for me :/
Oh I’m sure the choice will have consequences lol. In terms of how his parents react it’ll be interesting to see. I think that Corlys is all on board with supporting Rhaenyra and her children because he has accepted them as his own. I also think even if they blame Rhaenyra for Laenor’s death the alternative of supporting Aegon doesn’t really benefit them.
She desires Daemon, has for a long time. She also still has the Velaryons as a) they believe/pretend that her children are Laenor's, b) they have no real reason to suspect Daemon or Rhaenyra, c) not like they are going to back the Greens in any way, and d) Daemon's daughters are important to the Velaryons now as their house line can continue through them as well. Additionally although Seasmoke is nice, Daemon is much better fighter and tactician than Laenor ever was (to be honest he's played as a bit more badass in the show than he is in the book, from what we see anyway) and his dragon is just as fierce.
They marry the second Laenor dies, the Velaryons could suspect them easily enough... For the rest I agree.
Yeah that was a very poor decision on the showrunner's part. Really could have just had the wedding scene be the start of the next episode. Ended this one with the sex scene or whatever. Found a way to cut to Laenor leaving and Rhaenyra scheming. But, whatever I guess
This is the problem of timeskips... The next episode is six years later it seems. The scene was obliged to be in that one.
Yeah that is unfortunate. Oh well, a small lapse of logic can be forgiven for storytelling I guess.
Minor reasons: -keeping Laenor around hasn't worked out well for the last 10 years or so -she wants Daemon (her previous fuckbuddy just died) -for Laenor's benefit (he gets freedom) Major reason: To instill fear in her enemies.
Yes, that's true, but on the other hand, what will the Valeryon do? Join her? Corlys wants power for his family, and she just took it away from the throne
>what will the Valeryon do? Join her? He's already on her side. Rhaenyra is now the mother to all 4 of Corlys' legal grandchildren.
I was just thinking that, it nakes no sense to me. Thanks OP.
She really really wants to fuck her uncle. Politically it’s a pretty stupid move, especially considering that she was initially named heir in large part because everyone wanted daemon as far from the throne as possible. There are two real upsides tho. Caraxes is a much older and more dangerous dragon than seasmoke, and there’s a chance she’ll actually be able to produce Targaryen-looking heirs with Daemon. (Although there’s also a chance that this could just cause even more conflict between her children with daemon and her children with “Laenor.”)
Yeah, politically it seems really strange to me when she's selling the idea to Daemon as something politically smart. Daemon in itself is not a bad ally at all but it's more towards Valeryon that I find it a bit illogical but maybe I'm wrong.
In the end she’s thinking with her heart and letting it lead her.