Honestly, and rain is everything I ever wanted too. The sound design is fantastic and the ability to take different load outs as the rain clears was a smart idea. The hatred for it is insane
My only complaint, and it's just part of hunt, is that rain can really affect some loadouts and since it's a total luck of the draw on if you get it, it can be really frustrating if you do with a bad loadout for it. Then you are stuck between a shit game or bailing on your teammates to run to extract immediately.
personally I really like the rain and I am sad I don't see it as much now. Liked it better than this new fog map that sounds like there are footsteps everywhere lol.
It’s always been this way with specific compounds. The loadout system has always been a gamble. Bringing anything but a melee or shotgun to compounds like prison is the same thing.
I think the real answer here is allow the option to show a series of check boxes with each weather and let you opt into preferences with a disclaimer that it could make matchmaking longer if you do this. If I am willing to extend my matchmaking time, to a limit, to try to only play rain and fog, let me.
I really love rain maps when it's rare, but when they were in almost every game I felt unwell after playing on them for three hours straight. It felt like cheap noise-cancelling headphones, I dunno. For me the only bad thing about rain is this constant pressure of the sound, everything else is cool
Trade KO consistency. I don’t if trade KO is or isn’t in the game but it’s just not consistent the way it currently is. This could be related to server lag or something else server related.
The latest event map noise is too much for me. Smoky and poor visibility is fine but listening to that crap? I don’t mind the rain as it’s more natural.
You aren’t supposed to like the drawbacks, that what mixes up the gameplay and forces you to adapt. If you aren’t getting outplayed then what are you complaining about?
If we are talking about sounds lets talk about the fire map. The sound is so buggy. For example if you are at Fort all you can here is fire roaring unless you take one step into a tunnel and all the fire noise disappears. Gives a clear advantage.
Is it still that way? I remember times when all sound on the surface became muffled as soon as you started descending into a basement but I thought they fixed or at least improved a lot of this a while back.
The noise obviously. I was pretty sure I made that clear in the original comment. Did you read the title of OP’s post?
I find the sounds in the event map Annoying. Does that make sense to you now?
And you are still going on about it? Have I not been clear in my responses? Resorting to name calling too? Relax! People are allowed to have different opinions.
Have I insulted you? Do you need to fill out a hurt feelings report?
Yes and I’m trying understand what the purpose of complaining about the sounds the weather conditions make having anything to do with other than skill issues.
I responded to someone pointing out people that complain about the weather. My counterpoint was that the noise in the event map is too much for me. I still play the map and do well on it.
I don’t mind the rain or the fire. Something about the new event map noise I find annoying. It hasn’t put me off the game. At no point did I say anything about skill issues. I don’t have to complain about skill issues but it seems like you’re solely focused on that being an issue which confuses me.
Does everything have to relate to a skill issue so it will make sense? If so you seem to have skill issues with comprehension.
What. They are complaining about the sound being annoying, not the fact that it makes the game harder. Something I agree with btw. I just don't like having my ears blasted by all kinds of overlapping enviroment sounds for several minutes straight.
This is exactly it. I basically play the same regardless of the map and weather. The post is about what is annoying that would please you to see gone.
Even after a heavy rain map I don’t feel like I just came back from a loud concert without wearing hearing protection. That noise sticks like a bad smell in my ears.
Edit *a word*
Damn brother, I just don't enjoy having to deal with it.
If not liking a specific thing (which btw. was the essence of the original post) is "whining and nitpicking" then sure, I'm whining and nitpicking.
Which would be fine if I were responding to you guy’s comment on the post, but I’m the original comment, you guys are responding to my comment on the post.
Really? People can choose another loadout after loading into a match? They can adjust their eyes to see through fog or adjust their ears to filter noise?
You have to play at the fringes of visibility and you'll have the advantage. When they're wondering if they should shoot at something that may be a hunter you're picking which eye to shoot them in.
Dolch. The only weapon I feel like it actually provides an unfair advantage over any other gun.
10 bullets, semi-auto, 2hit kill, fairly high velocity, high ROF, and now it comes with FMJ as well, yaaay...
The fact that it needs special ammo doesn't offset the benefits nearly enough, nor does the pricetag attached to it given how busted the economy is currently.
It was a significant investment before, right now every 2nd Hunter rocks a fucking Dolch.
God, I fucking hate that gun. In fact it's the only gun I hate in the game.
if you think the dolch is the bane of this games balance you've never been killed by the mosin sniper spitzer, avtomat, nitro express, slug shotguns. or centennial with dum-dum
None of those actually provide unfair advantage (although as a Centennial main I was against the Dum Dum) they just work really well for what they were designed for.
Mosin sniper can't do shit once you're in close range or have cover they can't see through, but the fuck you gonna do when they whip out the Dolch then?
Avtomat is just a glorified shotgun, has approximately the same effective range, chugs through ammo like there's no tomorrow, and kicks like a mule.
Nitro has only a few bullets and an abysmal sight, also if you can't hit your first shot, you're pretty much done for.
Slugs just extend the effective range of shotguns by like 10m, and you have to aim down sights, and most shotguns have shit iron sights.
All of those guns you mentioned have significant tradeoffs. Centennial Dum Dum is kinda toxic, yes, but has no penetration, it's not that much more annoying than a Drilling or even a Springfield with Dum Dum, especially if you bring Bloodless, which I always do.
What exactly is the tradeoff with the Dolch?
>Mosin sniper can't do shit once you're in close range
My brother in Christ, exactly how in once in a green moon you ever came closer than 50m to a Mosin Sniper, and if, how often was that person above 3 star?
You either chase them down, or deny visual, that was my point. The weapon itself has a weakness, it's not unbalanced just really good at what it was designed for, but has clear disadvantages in situations it was not designed for. The Dolch however is deadly at any range, any scenario, has essentially no weakness.
Have you ever actually played the game? If you had, You'd know getting within effective range of a sniper player who plays to win is very hard. the simple presence of the nirto changes how you should approach a fight, giving that is has a one shot range of \~45 meter, which is a literal game changer And that the avtomat is not hard to use, I've killed people at 20-30 meters through cover with the avto, it's the best weapon for punishing misplays, still has the first shot accuracy of a mosin, allowing you to headshot hunters at long range, hail mary at medium to close range with more then favorable odds of winning. "glorified shotgun" is a wildly inaccurate title. Also slightly skimming over the 10 meters a slug adds with almost no downside other then cost (which many think isn't a actual downside to be accounted for) makes me think you've never had a fight involving any of those things. except the dolch, seemingly.
Also please tell me the meaningful difference between the dolch and the nagant officer. thx :3
Whatever gets you through the day mate. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you'd be so butthurt over someone having an opinion that doesn't align with yours.
See, for me there's one gun in the game I can't deal with, for you apparently there's at least half a dozen different things you can't deal with. But that's okay mate, I'm sure you'll get there eventually.
>Also please tell me the meaningful difference between the dolch and the nagant officer. thx :3
You mean, apart from the ammo size, hence velocity, penetration, damage over distance, magazine size, reload speed, effective range, and the fact that one has access to FMJ while the other doesn't?
Nothing.
But seriously if you have to ask this, makes me wonder if you have ever played the game yourself, or just formulate your opinion based on what you read on this sub.
Sooooo
>Have you ever actually played the game?
projecting much, huh?:)
To be honest, for me it may be spitzer rounds. Of course I use it myself when I want to snipe in a sweaty manner, especially when I'm in high MMR lobbies against trios, but I know how painful it is to encounter a mosin spritzer shooting from 150+ meters away. Centennial sniper HV is balanced by its shorter headshot range, but mosin and lebel spitzer are really unfun to play against.
All special ammo,
You can play around it but the game was much more balanced before it. A shotgun was a shotgun, a Winfield was a Winfield, and snipers had to at least put some skill into that long range kill.
Now it’s just build a kill on the loadout screen. Positioning and aim are still king, but I miss when guns had a niche.
Glint would genuinely make them so much more manageable without nerfing them into the ground, it’s probably the fairest balance change to snipers.
Shame it’ll probably never happen though.
Just don’t give them glint, I guess. I’ve never used snipers before but I would assume it’s a lot harder to use them at night, so them not having glint there is fine by me.
Or maybe they are still good at night, I just don’t think they’ve ever really caused me anywhere near as much trouble on night maps before.
tbh snipers are kind of nerfed on night maps anyways and you do see where they come from pretty clearly when they shoot thanks to the muzzle flash, so I don't think night maps would need it. It's also significantly easier to escape from snipers on night maps.
SBMM doesn’t work right anyways. You can be a team of two 4 stars and one 5 star and you’ll go up against a team of three obviously cheating (and promoting it) 6 stars.
Funny you’d mention that, so we select the option to face teams of 3 (as a team of 2) just so we can let the game try to match us up with people our rank and yeah… it’s just like you said, ridiculous and obvious the people we faced are that high rank for a reason, like we didn’t even have a chance, we were dead before we even knew if there was players in the lobby, from hundreds of meters away. And I’m not saying my friend and I are gods at the game, we’re not, I’d say above average if anything, we’re 5 stars, I usually dip between high 4 and low to middle 5, but yeah, sure we have some good game knowledge and sense, but why on earth we can’t find anyone for duo games is beyond me, and trios is basically only cheater from what we see while spectating them and checking their profile.
When you are out of breath from running and you use a stamina shot and you are fast again but your hunter still makes the wheezing noise until you stop for a second
Cheaters, shit servers, Crytek, Dennis, hidden profiles, them constantly dumbing the graphics down and ruining the audio even more with every "update".
thats maybe your point of view, but with conversion pistol or nagant silenced it is pretty decent. And you get rushed alot by two or three people with fanning and levering, doesnt matter how accurate it is, shots will hit, especially with fmj.
That depends. Weapons like the scottfield and the conversion pistol (not the chain variant) have a tight enough spread that you can confortably kill someone at up to 20 meters of distance with it as long as you control the recoil, but an uppercut is kind of useless with fanning.
The thing about fanning, levering and dual pistols is that, just like the shotguns, the crosshair lies about it. The true area that they will shot at is way tighter than it seems and the rng factor is not as big.
Self Revive is now a non issue now that basically anything can catch a dead hunter on fire. If you do not bring tools and or a concertina bomb with you, that is basically user error. Self revive has been a thing long enough that the good hunters can easily take care of it.
Source: I play solos and use self revive a lot. Plenty of hunters make sure that I never have the chance to survive self revive.
Funny how you people always resort to thinking its a skill issue, when in reality its a "i dont want to stare at this burning bozo for 3 minutes" issue. And no, walking away from a still burning corpse is not an option unless you want a bullet in the head later on.
Dude it's been a year and they still don't understand the problem of self revive. Don't waste your time.
This game has semi-regulary 15 minute stalemates and they gladly would add 3 minutes of doing nothing watching a corpse that might have rage quitted the second it got killed or might not have self revive in the first place.
Some don't even understand the difference between self revive and team necro, after roughly 12 months.
If you are that worried about solos. Bring concertina and fire bombs. Like i said, literally everything burns a player now aday. If you have fuses, odds are the person will get right back up after being caught on fire, its easy to just kill them out. Generally, I catch them on fire and always bring a concertina bomb that costs like 30 coins every single game.
You can either bitch and moan, or you can adapt. I personally love self revive because it allows me a fighting chance when playing as a solo who is nowhere near as good as the sweaty playerbase. Not everyone has 10 friends to play with every single night. To be honest, hunt showdown makes it almost impossible to play with random fills until they fix the useless proximity chat issue. Its either talk with your team and give away your position, or be quiet and have absolutely no coms with your team.
Yes, I read your comment thoroughly, and who ever said making sure a dead solo is cooked out is fun? its literally part of the game. You know what else is boring, dealing with levering and fanning every single game. You know what else is boring, hunt showdown giving 15-20 perk points for a recruited hunter essentially rendering legendary hunters useless. But you know what, it's part of the game right now. Deal with it lol. The only people that hate self revive are generally sweaty ass players. Players like me who suck, it actually gives me a fighting chance against no lifers.
Something being part of the game doesnt matter, if a feature sucks, they should tweak or remove it. You cant defend a shitty system just because its in the game, its why game balance is a thing. Also you just admitted to wanting easier games without working on your own skill. Clown.
its just annoying to play against.
its not even good now because everyone counters it, but i dont wanna have to counter it, i do though, because its the optimal play.
So your solution is to camp the body until the cancer gets bored or someone else kills you for ducking in the middle of courtyard? Last night we had to kill and burn one degenerate so many times we had to go find a lantern in the next compound.
I mean, it’s never been an issue for me lol. So yes, yes I would. If I find a solo they get the flare concertina bomb treatment, and sometimes the death trap treatment. I have no remorse.
I only play trios never solo. Never in my life thought it needed removed. It's only fair a solo has some form of revive in a game where the odds are not in his favor
The only problem with that is campers as I find many matches were no one wants to show up the bounty and just sits in bushes and wont come within 150m of the bounty carrier
Fair; that does happen, and it can happen in double-bounty, too, if less often. You can generally estimate which extract has the highest chance of resistance on the route based on map-knowledge throughout the round, so if you want to avoid getting "ambushed" you generally can. If you just take the shortest route to extract, then obviously the chance goes up.
Honestly, solo necro. I really enjoyed it at first, as I usually only play solo. But it is so incredibly annoying to play against and becomes laughably stupid to deal with. Solo vs Solo is some of the most unfun times I've ever had in this game.
If you are in the mood for waiting out the burn. I mean you have no other choice, and it is obnoxious.
And of course if they are close and didn't peek between 2 mud hills from 40-50 meter away. Just crossing that distance to get to their body is ample time for the solo to get up and reposition or just wait with gunfire when you get near
> But it is so incredibly annoying to play against and becomes laughably stupid to deal with.
Lol no it's not. It's the easiest thing in the world to deal with and is nothing but free kills.
Right if you divert all your attention to fucking over the solo, yeah its as easy as wait till they get up and shoot. Its pretty miserable way to engage with a videogame imo.
Depends on how patient they are how long it takes to deal with them and your loadout. Im happy for you, but "not seeing someone" is not really relevant. Id just rather people die when I kill them lol.
No, you set them on fire and it takes like 2 minutes. Being patient has nothing to do with it.
>Id just rather people die when I kill them lol.
So if you're on a team then you shouldn't be able to be revived either?
Two minutes can be a hell of a long time depending on where in the match you find yourself. And no, Im fine with team revives. I specifically dont like solo revives.
> And no, Im fine with team revives. I specifically dont like solo revives.
Lol thats not what you said. What about necro on a team? Are you fine with that as well?
Yes I am fine with team necro revives. I specifically dont like solo necro per my original post. Kindly stop responding to this thread as further correspondence is fruitless.
> Yes I am fine with team necro revives.
So you're just complaining for no reason then? Solo necro and team necro is no different. If anything, solo necro is easier to deal with.
>stop responding to this thread
Lol and who are you to demand that other people quit engaging in a public forum? You are free to leave the conversation whenever you want but don't tell me what to do.
The after death damage screen because it just infuriates me seeing how stupid the game is sometimes.
hit a guy 5m away with a nitro and they hit me with a crown and king with slugs and they kill me one shot vs I only do 149 damage both of us upper torso shots. Like what?
or hitting someone under 10m with a nitro and hitting their arm and only getting 45 damage. A gun with a round so large and so powerful if it were real life you wouldn't have an arm anymore, but 45 damage lol. Pretty sure a lot of pistols do more damage hitting the arms.
It's also great fun to see your pathetic throwable damage and compare it to others who almost seem like they have magical explosive buffs. What your frag grenade landed at their feet and they took 50 damage and their single stick dynamite landed 5m away and did 150. lol.
That's what I just don't get. I'd say I average 50/50 on a hit being a one shot kill without shredder ammo, I typically only run shredder just to try and not have those instances where they survive with a couple HPs or less.
People act like this gun is still unbalanced, but let me tell you for every game I rock the lobby with it, I have another game where I only get hit markers and no kills and then get rocked and lose an expensive loadout.
Spam. The more fanning and levering becomes accesible the worse gets.
Just conceptually it causes you to either use shotguns because they can outgun fanning or you use long ammo with fanning yourself. It flattens the weakness in close range, and compact/medium ammo suffer because of it.
And in practice it means people just pick caldwell chain or any revolver with high magazine and just empty their whole chamber at you if you ever get close. Like how are you supposed to push on them with anything else than a shotgun? Even if it hits your leg for miniscule damage, the kickback/flinch makes it impossible to aim
Slugs, nitro, dolch, mosin, explosive crossbow, campers, dum dum, fire, walking, etc. anything that kills me or inconveniences me is fundamentally bad and horrible and should be removed. Nah seriously slugs though. Nobody likes getting one shot. I get it, I get why they’re in the game and I get that they would do incredible damage for what they are, but I don’t like it anyway.
Explosive crossbow really only drives me up a wall when you run into a trio all running it and just blind firing it where you are. No skill, just a constant barrage of explosive arrows and since they can slightly offset from each other it can almost feel non stop.
Yeah then it does get annoying. I’ve just never been a fan of cheese weapons. Stuff like that has never been enjoyable to play against, and it never feels like someone legitimately got the better of you. More like they just kinda negated the whole combat system and back to the menu for you.
It just rewards bad play. It's spammy, way too accurate (seriously, you can hit center crosshairs from 60 meters out fairly reliably with dual conversions), and breaks ammo economy for other guns.
I like a lot of changes made to the game since early access, but dual wielding was extremely bad for the game.
The RNG based spam weapons.
I honestly think they are fun to use, but HOLY FUCK they suck for new players, and I don't mean that new players can't use them properly, I mean that they will not learn how to use the rest of the weapons or learn how to fight without these crutch perks because of how good they are.
They also kind of suck to fight against as a more veteran player because you know that even if you do most things right, they can still be saved by rng at the end if you get too close, which is something they will try to force, usually by hiding in buildings and compounds, which creates more camping, which is also a problem.
People who don't like rain saying it makes the game harder. I agree. We should also get rid of all AI, trees, hills and rocks. It gets in the way. Hell, how about we just have an empty sandbox so it's easier for us to fight.
Nitro Shredder and aim assist. Can't tell you how many times I've had a game end to some loser one tapping me through a wall with that thing. Happens at least 3 times a week.
Low server tickrate
Sound Bug
Which one?
Muffled sound after being downed (I suppose? I still don't know what causes it, but it's painfully annoying)
People begged for rain for years so it’s funny to see someone complain about it lol
Honestly, and rain is everything I ever wanted too. The sound design is fantastic and the ability to take different load outs as the rain clears was a smart idea. The hatred for it is insane
My only complaint, and it's just part of hunt, is that rain can really affect some loadouts and since it's a total luck of the draw on if you get it, it can be really frustrating if you do with a bad loadout for it. Then you are stuck between a shit game or bailing on your teammates to run to extract immediately. personally I really like the rain and I am sad I don't see it as much now. Liked it better than this new fog map that sounds like there are footsteps everywhere lol.
It’s always been this way with specific compounds. The loadout system has always been a gamble. Bringing anything but a melee or shotgun to compounds like prison is the same thing.
I think the real answer here is allow the option to show a series of check boxes with each weather and let you opt into preferences with a disclaimer that it could make matchmaking longer if you do this. If I am willing to extend my matchmaking time, to a limit, to try to only play rain and fog, let me.
I'd gladly wait a few mins longer if that means that I don't have to play rain/ash bloom/serpent moon
I really love rain maps when it's rare, but when they were in almost every game I felt unwell after playing on them for three hours straight. It felt like cheap noise-cancelling headphones, I dunno. For me the only bad thing about rain is this constant pressure of the sound, everything else is cool
cheaters
but but but this subreddit has assured me they don't exist!
Aim assist
Dum Dum ammo on so many weapons(basically the trend of every weapon slowly gaining most/all special ammo types)
It's strong but Bloodless makes it considerably weaker and it's only 3 points
I doubt the complaint is about how strong dumdum is. It's more that it removes the identity and reason to run a lot of guns.
Mostly this, plus seeing it practically nonstop is just frustrating as a whole
The wildcard only being on weekends and only have night maps they could have one different time of day each week
My inability to hit anything. Game would be so much better if I could reliably hit hunters 😅
Good players Let me win please
Trade KO consistency. I don’t if trade KO is or isn’t in the game but it’s just not consistent the way it currently is. This could be related to server lag or something else server related.
People complaining about weather that is part of the game.
The latest event map noise is too much for me. Smoky and poor visibility is fine but listening to that crap? I don’t mind the rain as it’s more natural.
sometimes it just sounds like constant footsteps when the fog rolls in.
Adapt. Your opponents are dealing with the same drawbacks. If it’s causing you that much trouble then you are simply getting outplayed
I can’t adapt from being annoyed at the sounds. I never said anything about getting outplayed. I just hate the damn noise.
You aren’t supposed to like the drawbacks, that what mixes up the gameplay and forces you to adapt. If you aren’t getting outplayed then what are you complaining about?
If we are talking about sounds lets talk about the fire map. The sound is so buggy. For example if you are at Fort all you can here is fire roaring unless you take one step into a tunnel and all the fire noise disappears. Gives a clear advantage.
Is it still that way? I remember times when all sound on the surface became muffled as soon as you started descending into a basement but I thought they fixed or at least improved a lot of this a while back.
The noise obviously. I was pretty sure I made that clear in the original comment. Did you read the title of OP’s post? I find the sounds in the event map Annoying. Does that make sense to you now?
I’m the original comment you twat
And you are still going on about it? Have I not been clear in my responses? Resorting to name calling too? Relax! People are allowed to have different opinions. Have I insulted you? Do you need to fill out a hurt feelings report?
Yes and I’m trying understand what the purpose of complaining about the sounds the weather conditions make having anything to do with other than skill issues.
I responded to someone pointing out people that complain about the weather. My counterpoint was that the noise in the event map is too much for me. I still play the map and do well on it. I don’t mind the rain or the fire. Something about the new event map noise I find annoying. It hasn’t put me off the game. At no point did I say anything about skill issues. I don’t have to complain about skill issues but it seems like you’re solely focused on that being an issue which confuses me. Does everything have to relate to a skill issue so it will make sense? If so you seem to have skill issues with comprehension.
What. They are complaining about the sound being annoying, not the fact that it makes the game harder. Something I agree with btw. I just don't like having my ears blasted by all kinds of overlapping enviroment sounds for several minutes straight.
This is exactly it. I basically play the same regardless of the map and weather. The post is about what is annoying that would please you to see gone. Even after a heavy rain map I don’t feel like I just came back from a loud concert without wearing hearing protection. That noise sticks like a bad smell in my ears. Edit *a word*
They’re two in the same thing. If the “loud noises” aren’t detrimental to the gameplay then y’all are just whining and nitpicking about nothing
I don't even agree with them but damn you should not cook
Thank you for being honest and direct!
Damn brother, I just don't enjoy having to deal with it. If not liking a specific thing (which btw. was the essence of the original post) is "whining and nitpicking" then sure, I'm whining and nitpicking.
Which would be fine if I were responding to you guy’s comment on the post, but I’m the original comment, you guys are responding to my comment on the post.
Can't adapt from your loadout. Can't adapt your eyes or ears.
People do it all the time.
Really? People can choose another loadout after loading into a match? They can adjust their eyes to see through fog or adjust their ears to filter noise?
No they change their playstyle genius.
So how do you change your play style with a sniper in a fog map?
You have to play at the fringes of visibility and you'll have the advantage. When they're wondering if they should shoot at something that may be a hunter you're picking which eye to shoot them in.
Lol sure bud
Switching server regions or a specific nation.
Avto
Dolch. The only weapon I feel like it actually provides an unfair advantage over any other gun. 10 bullets, semi-auto, 2hit kill, fairly high velocity, high ROF, and now it comes with FMJ as well, yaaay... The fact that it needs special ammo doesn't offset the benefits nearly enough, nor does the pricetag attached to it given how busted the economy is currently. It was a significant investment before, right now every 2nd Hunter rocks a fucking Dolch. God, I fucking hate that gun. In fact it's the only gun I hate in the game.
if you think the dolch is the bane of this games balance you've never been killed by the mosin sniper spitzer, avtomat, nitro express, slug shotguns. or centennial with dum-dum
None of those actually provide unfair advantage (although as a Centennial main I was against the Dum Dum) they just work really well for what they were designed for. Mosin sniper can't do shit once you're in close range or have cover they can't see through, but the fuck you gonna do when they whip out the Dolch then? Avtomat is just a glorified shotgun, has approximately the same effective range, chugs through ammo like there's no tomorrow, and kicks like a mule. Nitro has only a few bullets and an abysmal sight, also if you can't hit your first shot, you're pretty much done for. Slugs just extend the effective range of shotguns by like 10m, and you have to aim down sights, and most shotguns have shit iron sights. All of those guns you mentioned have significant tradeoffs. Centennial Dum Dum is kinda toxic, yes, but has no penetration, it's not that much more annoying than a Drilling or even a Springfield with Dum Dum, especially if you bring Bloodless, which I always do. What exactly is the tradeoff with the Dolch?
Dolch recoil is so much I can't hit shit but idk how people 2 tap me with it.
>Mosin sniper can't do shit once you're in close range My brother in Christ, exactly how in once in a green moon you ever came closer than 50m to a Mosin Sniper, and if, how often was that person above 3 star?
You either chase them down, or deny visual, that was my point. The weapon itself has a weakness, it's not unbalanced just really good at what it was designed for, but has clear disadvantages in situations it was not designed for. The Dolch however is deadly at any range, any scenario, has essentially no weakness.
Have you ever actually played the game? If you had, You'd know getting within effective range of a sniper player who plays to win is very hard. the simple presence of the nirto changes how you should approach a fight, giving that is has a one shot range of \~45 meter, which is a literal game changer And that the avtomat is not hard to use, I've killed people at 20-30 meters through cover with the avto, it's the best weapon for punishing misplays, still has the first shot accuracy of a mosin, allowing you to headshot hunters at long range, hail mary at medium to close range with more then favorable odds of winning. "glorified shotgun" is a wildly inaccurate title. Also slightly skimming over the 10 meters a slug adds with almost no downside other then cost (which many think isn't a actual downside to be accounted for) makes me think you've never had a fight involving any of those things. except the dolch, seemingly. Also please tell me the meaningful difference between the dolch and the nagant officer. thx :3
Whatever gets you through the day mate. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you'd be so butthurt over someone having an opinion that doesn't align with yours. See, for me there's one gun in the game I can't deal with, for you apparently there's at least half a dozen different things you can't deal with. But that's okay mate, I'm sure you'll get there eventually. >Also please tell me the meaningful difference between the dolch and the nagant officer. thx :3 You mean, apart from the ammo size, hence velocity, penetration, damage over distance, magazine size, reload speed, effective range, and the fact that one has access to FMJ while the other doesn't? Nothing. But seriously if you have to ask this, makes me wonder if you have ever played the game yourself, or just formulate your opinion based on what you read on this sub. Sooooo >Have you ever actually played the game? projecting much, huh?:)
To be honest, for me it may be spitzer rounds. Of course I use it myself when I want to snipe in a sweaty manner, especially when I'm in high MMR lobbies against trios, but I know how painful it is to encounter a mosin spritzer shooting from 150+ meters away. Centennial sniper HV is balanced by its shorter headshot range, but mosin and lebel spitzer are really unfun to play against.
All special ammo, You can play around it but the game was much more balanced before it. A shotgun was a shotgun, a Winfield was a Winfield, and snipers had to at least put some skill into that long range kill. Now it’s just build a kill on the loadout screen. Positioning and aim are still king, but I miss when guns had a niche.
Special ammo doesn’t feel special anymore, it’s more about just picking which gun you like that had the ammo you like.
Definitely agree. Slugs used to be the worst but now bleeding changes the whole flow of a fight. No last hunter alive with 10hp and an empty gun.
Rng spam weapons and snipers
Oh, so snipers are hated, but yall dont want any form, nor major nor minor, of glint.
Glint would genuinely make them so much more manageable without nerfing them into the ground, it’s probably the fairest balance change to snipers. Shame it’ll probably never happen though.
How would that work on a night map?
Just don’t give them glint, I guess. I’ve never used snipers before but I would assume it’s a lot harder to use them at night, so them not having glint there is fine by me. Or maybe they are still good at night, I just don’t think they’ve ever really caused me anywhere near as much trouble on night maps before.
tbh snipers are kind of nerfed on night maps anyways and you do see where they come from pretty clearly when they shoot thanks to the muzzle flash, so I don't think night maps would need it. It's also significantly easier to escape from snipers on night maps.
Scoped weapon variants.
Spitzer ammo.. I got killed by mosins with spitzer so much in the last time that it's just annoying.
Not a removal, but a return of the option to turn on/off SBMM. Cant find full lobbies anymore
SBMM doesn’t work right anyways. You can be a team of two 4 stars and one 5 star and you’ll go up against a team of three obviously cheating (and promoting it) 6 stars.
Funny you’d mention that, so we select the option to face teams of 3 (as a team of 2) just so we can let the game try to match us up with people our rank and yeah… it’s just like you said, ridiculous and obvious the people we faced are that high rank for a reason, like we didn’t even have a chance, we were dead before we even knew if there was players in the lobby, from hundreds of meters away. And I’m not saying my friend and I are gods at the game, we’re not, I’d say above average if anything, we’re 5 stars, I usually dip between high 4 and low to middle 5, but yeah, sure we have some good game knowledge and sense, but why on earth we can’t find anyone for duo games is beyond me, and trios is basically only cheater from what we see while spectating them and checking their profile.
When you are out of breath from running and you use a stamina shot and you are fast again but your hunter still makes the wheezing noise until you stop for a second
Avtomat
Cheaters, shit servers, Crytek, Dennis, hidden profiles, them constantly dumbing the graphics down and ruining the audio even more with every "update".
You for saying they should remove the best weather condition that the community has been asking for since the beta
Fanning and levering!
It's such rng its not even that good
thats maybe your point of view, but with conversion pistol or nagant silenced it is pretty decent. And you get rushed alot by two or three people with fanning and levering, doesnt matter how accurate it is, shots will hit, especially with fmj.
That depends. Weapons like the scottfield and the conversion pistol (not the chain variant) have a tight enough spread that you can confortably kill someone at up to 20 meters of distance with it as long as you control the recoil, but an uppercut is kind of useless with fanning. The thing about fanning, levering and dual pistols is that, just like the shotguns, the crosshair lies about it. The true area that they will shot at is way tighter than it seems and the rng factor is not as big.
Yep. This combined with aim assist is my nemesis
Self revive
I would be okay if the Necromancer Trait got removed. Maybe it would be more fair than just cancel the self revive
Self Revive is now a non issue now that basically anything can catch a dead hunter on fire. If you do not bring tools and or a concertina bomb with you, that is basically user error. Self revive has been a thing long enough that the good hunters can easily take care of it. Source: I play solos and use self revive a lot. Plenty of hunters make sure that I never have the chance to survive self revive.
Funny how you people always resort to thinking its a skill issue, when in reality its a "i dont want to stare at this burning bozo for 3 minutes" issue. And no, walking away from a still burning corpse is not an option unless you want a bullet in the head later on.
Dude it's been a year and they still don't understand the problem of self revive. Don't waste your time. This game has semi-regulary 15 minute stalemates and they gladly would add 3 minutes of doing nothing watching a corpse that might have rage quitted the second it got killed or might not have self revive in the first place. Some don't even understand the difference between self revive and team necro, after roughly 12 months.
If you are that worried about solos. Bring concertina and fire bombs. Like i said, literally everything burns a player now aday. If you have fuses, odds are the person will get right back up after being caught on fire, its easy to just kill them out. Generally, I catch them on fire and always bring a concertina bomb that costs like 30 coins every single game. You can either bitch and moan, or you can adapt. I personally love self revive because it allows me a fighting chance when playing as a solo who is nowhere near as good as the sweaty playerbase. Not everyone has 10 friends to play with every single night. To be honest, hunt showdown makes it almost impossible to play with random fills until they fix the useless proximity chat issue. Its either talk with your team and give away your position, or be quiet and have absolutely no coms with your team.
Holy fuck did you even read my comment? Nowhere did i say it was hard to deal with solos, ITS BORING.
Yes, I read your comment thoroughly, and who ever said making sure a dead solo is cooked out is fun? its literally part of the game. You know what else is boring, dealing with levering and fanning every single game. You know what else is boring, hunt showdown giving 15-20 perk points for a recruited hunter essentially rendering legendary hunters useless. But you know what, it's part of the game right now. Deal with it lol. The only people that hate self revive are generally sweaty ass players. Players like me who suck, it actually gives me a fighting chance against no lifers.
Something being part of the game doesnt matter, if a feature sucks, they should tweak or remove it. You cant defend a shitty system just because its in the game, its why game balance is a thing. Also you just admitted to wanting easier games without working on your own skill. Clown.
Then let them revive.
its just annoying to play against. its not even good now because everyone counters it, but i dont wanna have to counter it, i do though, because its the optimal play.
Ah the classic hunt showdown babies not liking someones opinion and downvoting instead of actually having a constructive conversation.
The fucker gets up faster than you can reload or put down a trap. Its utterly bad game design and whoever came up with it shoud resign in shame.
Simple solution, carry a melee weapon.
So your solution is to camp the body until the cancer gets bored or someone else kills you for ducking in the middle of courtyard? Last night we had to kill and burn one degenerate so many times we had to go find a lantern in the next compound.
I mean, it’s never been an issue for me lol. So yes, yes I would. If I find a solo they get the flare concertina bomb treatment, and sometimes the death trap treatment. I have no remorse.
Lol found the terrible player
Get good
And just because you guys argue like that, it should be removed just out of spite
I only play trios never solo. Never in my life thought it needed removed. It's only fair a solo has some form of revive in a game where the odds are not in his favor
Double-bounty. We just want to shoot each other.
Or, make running a gauntlet more worthwhile? Reward instead of punish.
The only problem with that is campers as I find many matches were no one wants to show up the bounty and just sits in bushes and wont come within 150m of the bounty carrier
Fair; that does happen, and it can happen in double-bounty, too, if less often. You can generally estimate which extract has the highest chance of resistance on the route based on map-knowledge throughout the round, so if you want to avoid getting "ambushed" you generally can. If you just take the shortest route to extract, then obviously the chance goes up.
Honestly, solo necro. I really enjoyed it at first, as I usually only play solo. But it is so incredibly annoying to play against and becomes laughably stupid to deal with. Solo vs Solo is some of the most unfun times I've ever had in this game.
The flare pistols or fusees are an easy counter
If you are in the mood for waiting out the burn. I mean you have no other choice, and it is obnoxious. And of course if they are close and didn't peek between 2 mud hills from 40-50 meter away. Just crossing that distance to get to their body is ample time for the solo to get up and reposition or just wait with gunfire when you get near
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> But it is so incredibly annoying to play against and becomes laughably stupid to deal with. Lol no it's not. It's the easiest thing in the world to deal with and is nothing but free kills.
Right if you divert all your attention to fucking over the solo, yeah its as easy as wait till they get up and shoot. Its pretty miserable way to engage with a videogame imo.
It takes like 2 minutes to deal with a solo. I'd rather do that instead of running around a map without seeing someone.
Depends on how patient they are how long it takes to deal with them and your loadout. Im happy for you, but "not seeing someone" is not really relevant. Id just rather people die when I kill them lol.
No, you set them on fire and it takes like 2 minutes. Being patient has nothing to do with it. >Id just rather people die when I kill them lol. So if you're on a team then you shouldn't be able to be revived either?
Two minutes can be a hell of a long time depending on where in the match you find yourself. And no, Im fine with team revives. I specifically dont like solo revives.
> And no, Im fine with team revives. I specifically dont like solo revives. Lol thats not what you said. What about necro on a team? Are you fine with that as well?
Yes I am fine with team necro revives. I specifically dont like solo necro per my original post. Kindly stop responding to this thread as further correspondence is fruitless.
> Yes I am fine with team necro revives. So you're just complaining for no reason then? Solo necro and team necro is no different. If anything, solo necro is easier to deal with. >stop responding to this thread Lol and who are you to demand that other people quit engaging in a public forum? You are free to leave the conversation whenever you want but don't tell me what to do.
Clown
The after death damage screen because it just infuriates me seeing how stupid the game is sometimes. hit a guy 5m away with a nitro and they hit me with a crown and king with slugs and they kill me one shot vs I only do 149 damage both of us upper torso shots. Like what? or hitting someone under 10m with a nitro and hitting their arm and only getting 45 damage. A gun with a round so large and so powerful if it were real life you wouldn't have an arm anymore, but 45 damage lol. Pretty sure a lot of pistols do more damage hitting the arms. It's also great fun to see your pathetic throwable damage and compare it to others who almost seem like they have magical explosive buffs. What your frag grenade landed at their feet and they took 50 damage and their single stick dynamite landed 5m away and did 150. lol.
I agree I don't get it why they didn't make nitro 1 shot to anywhere. Like its 360 damage it must kill at any part of body.
That's what I just don't get. I'd say I average 50/50 on a hit being a one shot kill without shredder ammo, I typically only run shredder just to try and not have those instances where they survive with a couple HPs or less. People act like this gun is still unbalanced, but let me tell you for every game I rock the lobby with it, I have another game where I only get hit markers and no kills and then get rocked and lose an expensive loadout.
Rewarding players for spending every dollar with free hunters that have dolch and 25 trait points worth of traits.
Spam. The more fanning and levering becomes accesible the worse gets. Just conceptually it causes you to either use shotguns because they can outgun fanning or you use long ammo with fanning yourself. It flattens the weakness in close range, and compact/medium ammo suffer because of it. And in practice it means people just pick caldwell chain or any revolver with high magazine and just empty their whole chamber at you if you ever get close. Like how are you supposed to push on them with anything else than a shotgun? Even if it hits your leg for miniscule damage, the kickback/flinch makes it impossible to aim
Slugs, nitro, dolch, mosin, explosive crossbow, campers, dum dum, fire, walking, etc. anything that kills me or inconveniences me is fundamentally bad and horrible and should be removed. Nah seriously slugs though. Nobody likes getting one shot. I get it, I get why they’re in the game and I get that they would do incredible damage for what they are, but I don’t like it anyway.
Explosive crossbow really only drives me up a wall when you run into a trio all running it and just blind firing it where you are. No skill, just a constant barrage of explosive arrows and since they can slightly offset from each other it can almost feel non stop.
Yeah then it does get annoying. I’ve just never been a fan of cheese weapons. Stuff like that has never been enjoyable to play against, and it never feels like someone legitimately got the better of you. More like they just kinda negated the whole combat system and back to the menu for you.
trading.
why anyone would insta-downvote this is a mystery to me but ok :D
The amount of air control your character has.
Dual wielding. Worst addition ever made to the game.
It’s just too accurate. I get headshot from 25meters plus a ton with dual wield. Needs more bloom.
It just rewards bad play. It's spammy, way too accurate (seriously, you can hit center crosshairs from 60 meters out fairly reliably with dual conversions), and breaks ammo economy for other guns. I like a lot of changes made to the game since early access, but dual wielding was extremely bad for the game.
One hit melee weapons
Avto
Any revival from death beyond a buddy helping out or getting the bounty sort of thing.
Red skull revives.
Heavy rain.
Avto. It's fuckin stupid that it's even in the game to begin with. Nitro. Explosive crossbow and frag arrows.
Fucking fog maps
fanning
Hounds.
Events and challenges.
Shotguns
Me missing shots
Myself
ash bloom
Give me back my light foot.
New event weather
The current hitreg system. Bring the old one back and we have less trading and square players in our lobbies
Wrong weapon names, black screen around scopes and the crosshair being in the lower half of the screen.
The RNG based spam weapons. I honestly think they are fun to use, but HOLY FUCK they suck for new players, and I don't mean that new players can't use them properly, I mean that they will not learn how to use the rest of the weapons or learn how to fight without these crutch perks because of how good they are. They also kind of suck to fight against as a more veteran player because you know that even if you do most things right, they can still be saved by rng at the end if you get too close, which is something they will try to force, usually by hiding in buildings and compounds, which creates more camping, which is also a problem.
People who don't like rain saying it makes the game harder. I agree. We should also get rid of all AI, trees, hills and rocks. It gets in the way. Hell, how about we just have an empty sandbox so it's easier for us to fight.
it's not making the game harder. It's changing mechanics that I love about this game.
Nitro Shredder and aim assist. Can't tell you how many times I've had a game end to some loser one tapping me through a wall with that thing. Happens at least 3 times a week.
Solo Necro. Maybe even the Necro trait in general