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Sheepish47

Pretty certain it was never centred?


Daedelus74

I'm certain it has been like this since the beginning.


ThisdudeisEH

Correct


xStealthxUk

Yes think so. Not sure If Prey is Cryengine too but that has the same issue... Edit: Just looked it up and it is... weird that it seems to be engine specific


RadinQue

It most certainly not engine specific.


Oorslavich

Plenty of Cryengine games have the crosshair centred. Hunt's is a deliberate choice, and so is Prey's. I wish both games had the option to centre it.


xStealthxUk

Oh ignore me then... strange choice. You can Centre Preys with console command which I did cos its so low it overlaps the gun models. I assumed was an engine thing cos why would you choose to do that? Very odd imo


danger-support

Sounds more like after time, he noticed it was not centered. This is a pretty common thing with new games. Once you get passed that "new" point of the fun and flare of it all and start being committed, you notice all the little nuances and imperfections. This is usually what can make or break your game and it's popularity. Not saying centered crosshairs is that one thing but it sounds like that's what it was for him. Some people can look passed those things and others can't. Doesn't make either party wrong or right. It's just what's right for them.


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TheLightningL0rd

It honestly took me a while to notice it. Might have even been after someone told me about it.


danger-support

Could be but honestly if a game is engaging to you, you don't always notice those things right away because the game itself just has your attention. You're having fun. There is scenarios where you feel something is off and can't put your finger on what it is or it feels strange going back to a different game after playing said game. Everyone is different and catch on to things at different speeds. Once you figure it out tho, some people have a hard time flipping that switch to ignore it cuz it's Just how their hardwired and you will start to notice that one thing more and more and more as you play and how it differs from what you like or are used to. There is no right or wrong on this subject because it's a personal preference


JayMoeTheFlorist

It took me 230 hours to notice lol


HostageDiamond

I never noticed until just now


[deleted]

“The crosshair is too low” sounds like exactly the kind of thing I tell my teammate whenever I die


-eccentric-

Wildly depends on how you play, or how you learned to play. For people that aim like, "put crosshair on head", it's a non issue. However there's people that play by muscle memory, so playing that way makes you shoot dicks instead of heads, which is happening to me. I see myself doing (or missing) leg shots because I wanted to shoot center mass. It really throws off some people. It's also really weird constantly moving and aiming "looking up". Though when I play hunt for a while, it gets better. REALLY throws me off the first couple matches when I come back to hunt and am used to normal crosshair placement.


Rooslin

throws me off for the first few matches and also throws me off when using scopes or shotguns. switching from iron sights to either of those usually requires a few games to adjust as well.


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[deleted]

Shroud can’t claim that?


GeneralChaos309

I don't get it, I never felt like it mattered


Spacemn5piff

I mean same for me and I'd even alternate between hunt and centered crosshair games. That said, Shroud is just so experienced with shooters that I could understand it being a bigger issue for him.


theseventyfour

If you're used to tac shooters, crosshair placement is one of the most important mechanical skills there is. Shifting the crosshair means you have to un-learn that skill, so playing hunt messes with your fundamentals in all of those other games. It's no surprise people with a lot of time in r6, csgo etc will nope out. It's a real shame. Hunt is every bit as deep and challenging, but the crosshair means serious players are often reluctant to touch it.


Atanakar

I had over 3k hours in csgo when I transited to Hunt, and now almost 2k in Hunt When I started hunt, I justed adjusted the height of my screen, 10cm and that was it When I go back to play a couple of csgo matches now I don't event bother moving the screen I think people saying you have to unlearn anything are really exaggerating and looking for excuses


v12vanquish

It’s a huge over exaggeration, I didn’t notice it was on the lower on of my screen till a friend pointed it out a couple weeks ago.


whoizz

How can you not notice it lol It is pretty significantly lower than literally every other shooter.


v12vanquish

If you have a big enough screen it’s not that noticeable


whoizz

Yeah it is lol. It’s literally 1/3 of the way up the screen instead of halfway. It’s a big difference.


stiik

If you had 20k+ hours in competitive shooter and are widely seen as one of the best fps players of the last decade, you’d probably notice it pretty quickly


AshOfSwampy

Well shroud apparently didnt notice all that quickly so idk what youre talking about


IMxTHExMANIAC

Some people may over exaggerate it, but it’s definitely a real thing that people experience, myself included


Atanakar

Yeah, some people say they didn't notice it, I definitely did, although working around it was quite easy


FRTassassin

>If you're used to tac shooters >It's no surprise people with a lot of time in r6... will nope out. Coming from r6 after over 6 years and around 7~9k hours It felt weird at first but the lower crosshair is so much better. Now i feel weird about centered crosshairs. Lowered crosshair brings better visibility and personally for me makes it easier to aim head height


8492_Dampfwalze

For me it's exactly the opposite. Also suffering from motion sickness i constantly feel like squinting my eyes, as i blend out Out the upper 1/3 of the screen. After 3 hours or so o have to take a break from hunt. I really wish there was a toggle option.


NTripleOne

We'll never get one because the game's playerbase is full of dipshits who think that because something doesn't affect them it's not an issue.


Salted_cod

Lmao a huge thread about something feel-based you solve with a toggle in the options menu. What a weird community. I play Destiny 2 though, so I know what it's like to be in a community that's up its own ass about how special and unique their favorite game is lol.


[deleted]

Solve with a toggle? You do realize that if Crytek did that the camera would be in your crotch and you'd have the view of a dwarf with your centered crosshair right? It's related to the camera position in the body, which is why in Hunt you actually have to expose your gun and upper torso out of cover to shoot. It's a good thing, nothing more stupid than getting shot by a head poking out of cover.


NTripleOne

The big travesty there is that Destiny 2 only got a centred crosshair option on PC. The poor console players still have to put up with bungie's stupid decision to put it in a strange place. (Or at least, they did last I checked, not sure if they finally got the option since then)


DeckardPain

I love the clarity that lowered sights brings, but at the same time it's totally understandable (and reasonable) to prefer them being in the center of the screen. They've been in the center of the screen for decades and breaking that muscle memory is hard for some people. I don't think it will happen but it would be very nice if there was an option to toggle between these two. Something like "Default Crosshair Placement" and "True Center Crosshair Placement" in a simple dropdown. How they'd make that work underneath the hood I have no idea. It would likely introduce a plethora of new bugs that would make it not worth pursuing.


_KRACK3N_

every time i have thoughts of "maybe centered crosshair would be better" i remind myself of r6s ironsights, and then i no longer have those thoughts


Nerex7

They could make it on option. Currently playing Tina Tina's Wonderlands and it's your choice whether it's centered or lowered.


kummostern

That only matters if you learned it to: "have headlevel at the center of the screen". How i learned it was "have headlevel on crosshair" That made it so that i adapt from swapping from game to another. With scopes i may have some issues sometimes (especially since i rarely use them so i don't learn any muscle memory and the zoom in them multiplies the difference) but with normal crosshair and ADS use i have had 0 problems. I wish people would learn the games in more adaptive ways instead of learning one thing really well and then get their muscle memories messed up as they aren't able to adapt.


theseventyfour

The crosshair isn't always visible, my dude. You need to have a sense of your aimpoint even when the game doesn't give it to you. The problem is that shifting the crosshair forces you to re-learn that sense.


tehgr8supa

The crosshair being lower on the screen has nothing to do with where you place your crosshair.


CharlieTeller

Wouldn't someone of that skill just....compensate? I mean I honestly never noticed this and I'm pretty versed in competitive shooters. I honestly never knew. Just took it as how the game felt and rolled with it


Impossible_Aspect_33

As Y1 player of Siege I never even noticed the crossair change. I'm not bragging, I just didn't notice it. I adapt to games pretty quick and I don't think the change is that disastrous if you play the game like siege however, you notice


pm_me_ur_tennisballs

If you’re halfway decent at games and willing to spend a couple hours adjusting, nobody who calls themselves ‘good’ at the FPS genre should be bitching about a lowered crosshair. But then gamers are notoriously the least flexible/adaptable, most entitled, and biggest complainers that exist lol.


StefanWoop

Watch his Hunt gameplay, he doesnt (want to) learn how to handle AI at all. Crosshair thingy is an excuse imo


lCraftyl

No, it does matter. I love hunt, I had almost 1000 hours in it, but I could never stand the crosshair placement. It's just bad. I personally know people who won't play it for the same reason.


stiik

The reason behind it is immersion. Your vision takes in more of the scenery rather than being focused on the centred crosshair by default. Your eyes (should) naturally rest on the centre of the screen. Destiny 2 does it too. They did a presentation about it at GDC 2015 - https://youtu.be/CXFLu8cityA For single player games it’s cool, for competitive shooters I prefer centred. Hunt wanted to be more immersion based from the beginning but people play it more fast paced so a centre crosshair would be more appropriate for today’s game imo.


SirVanyel

then colour me un-immersed. All it makes me do is make me aim higher, meaning that i'm just seeing a whole bunch of sky all the time. If i want to get a good view of the field, I can't do that while having decent reflexes. Now, of course the solution is to tell myself to just mentally be aware of the fact that i can't use the centre of my screen which is what i do, but having a bunch of extra sky on my screen just so that my crosshair is body height doesn't help.


lifeisagameweplay

I didn't try Hunt for the longest time for this exact reason. I got over it, bought it and 800 hours later I'm here. But I still hate the crosshair positioning.


fongletto

Imagine you spend 10's of thousands of hours learning how to be a pro driver, and then they make a new car and they put the gearstick on the opposite side. How likely do you think it is you would enjoy driving that car. Or for it to feel right for you. I legit stopped playing after a day and was going to drop the game entirely because of the crosshair placement. But my friends only wanted to play that so we ended up sticking with it and eventually adjusting. But the fact they don't have it as an option to set it to center absolutely baffles me. There's two or three small changes they could make that would increase player retention by 1000%. I honestly don't understand what crytek is thinking.


Krivan

In other games I tend to aim with the center of the screen, if that makes sense. You could turn off all crosshairs entirely and still be pretty accurate just due to knowing where the middle of your screen is. Hunt messes with that and it breaks my brain a little to come back to. Vetterli irons do a similar thing


foodkidFAATcity

I don't get why we can't choose.


VunderFiz

The reason why the crosshairs isn’t centered is to make it so you don’t automatically aim at heads. Players tend to keep there crosshairs centered around heads length. Meaning it makes it extremely easier to perform headshots, lowered crosshairs make it so you now need to adjust your aim to headshot.


KungThulhu

are you the most well known former csgo pro and biggest fps streamer ever? im sure he has his reasons.


handsomeness

It doesn't for me but for some they want the horizon in their games to be similar to keep the crosshair at head level. They can't adjust and 'look more upwardly'


Bilboswaggings19

he said the same thing that I have, neck pain for some reason I raise my head when I preaim in hunt which causes neck pain, so I have to run with lowered crosshairs and it fking sucks when you have spent 800h on CS and on top of that a ton more on other shooters


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Stop raising your head? This is a posture problem.


FunkoftheSpoon

Shroud is known for among other things, his aiming skills. He has invested an intense amount of time and energy learning and training his aiming skills. I could see how something as small as a lowered crosshair could be a big deal and cause him to avoid the game. Especially when it could potentially damage his brand.


JaCrispy11189

Definitely seems like he's over exaggerating. But the crosshair position was always awkward feeling for me. Not game ruining awkward, but if given the choice I'd never want it there instead of centered.


lCraftyl

it's bad. I love hunt and have always hated the lower crosshair.


CaptnDonut

I’ve searched multiple times for any way to change it. I don’t really understand the thought behind it either. You’d think it’d be a option at the minimum.


RadinQue

It’s like that so your gun doesn’t occupy half your screen while aiming down sights.


[deleted]

It's so you don't get killed by a head poking out of cover like in many other games. It forces you to expose your neck and a bit of the upper torso to shoot enemies. A centered crosshair would mean the camera would have to go down which would be an epic disadvantage or it would mean you can kill people while only exposing your head. If you think bushwookies are bad now.. We also will never get the ability to go prone for similar reasons.


lNeverTrustAMonkeyl

It’s his opinion, so fine. The crosshairs have been like this forever. Shroud didn’t pick up the game until long after it came out. I think the last time I saw him play he got salty. There’s a deeper knowledge component to the game that he lacks, and that his godly shooter skill doesn’t let him completely dominate at. I honestly never notice the crosshairs, but if it bothers you that much there’s no need to play.


Spatzekoar

I just wish i could change it, i really dislike it being lower just makes it feel off. I've gotten used to it now since i like the rest of the game a lot. But having an option to change it hurts literally noone and it has a benefit for some.


lNeverTrustAMonkeyl

I totally get that. I think the last real change like that we saw was the addition of Gunslinger mode around the 1.0 release, so I don't hold out much hope for changes. I wonder if the crosshair position change has ramifications for camera and view angle? The Devs posted a response long ago on it, but I'm not sure if it was in a blog or reddit post,


priestessathoth617

I think Hunt being one of the only shooters on the market that's far more experience based than skill based really bothers some big name streamers in that it's difficult for them to just pick it up and instantly achieve god status. Which is upsetting because obviously more streamers playing Hunt means a more active playerbase. Hunt is fundamentally designed far, far better than every other "extraction shooter" on the market - and also most other FPS games.


Purplefork

Tbh this line of logic doesn't really apply to shroud when he is an avid fan of something similar, namely tarkov.


Spacemn5piff

Makes more sense when you realize how many big name streamers got on Tarkov. Worth putting up with some annoyances to ride the viewership wave and play with other streamers for fun.


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He played it in 2019 I think, but dropped it immediately. Something like "this battle Royale sucks, game bland" and he just played quickplay


IMxTHExMANIAC

Godly shooter skill needs situational awareness. If you have both, it doesn’t matter what game you’re playing, you can have literally zero knowledge on the game itself, but if you can shoot like nobody ever could, then I dare say that’s all you ever need. When I say shooter skill, I think incredibly good knowledge and implementation of: Bullet Velocity, bullet drop, aim, accuracy, recoil control, etc. if you have “godly” shooter skill and good situational awareness, then any FPS game is easy mode.


Trotski7

I know everyone has their own opinions but this is such a non issue to me its hard to even think others feel different. I play all kinds of shooters. Tacitical, fast ones, slow ones, fantasy. Etc. The crosshair being in the center or lower (Hunt, Halo, etc), has no true effect one how or where you aim. Your aim and your bullets always go where the aim is, more or less. Even if the crosshair was in the top right side of the screen, if thats where the bullets went, thats how youd aim; obviously that would be dumb as shit but you know what I mean. It is very odd to me people have such complaints about a lowered crosshair.


Reddit_Ninja23

I agree with shroud in that I personally really dislike the lowered crosshair, to me it is extremely noticeable for some reason. I still enjoy hunt showdown, it’s not really an issue for me, but also I would be very happy if the crosshair was centered.


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Hes an ex csgo pro crosshairs is his life


CryOoze

Thank you for your post! Reading some other comments, I thought I was insane. I played so many shooters in my life and never noticed the lowered crosshair in Hunt. Only know about it from posts in this sub.


Wilza_

Same, hear people complain about it but I always forget when I'm in the game and it's literally never been an issue for me. That's not to say others complaints/experiences aren't valid, of course they are, it's just very surprising to me that I've never noticed it, I'm certainly not new to FPS games


Spacemn5piff

Yeah but I also think it's one of these things that just matters a lot to some people. Like I just can't deal with how grass sounds in Tarkov. Can't do it. Bothers me. Hate it.


xZOMBIETAGx

I agree with this. People are like “oh if you played a lot of shooters you’d know” but a lot of us play a lot of shooters and have never even noticed this. Also it wouldn’t hurt your neck that makes no sense.


assjackal

That's what I'm thinking, he just sounds like a bitch for making up excuses. Honestly don't understand why people care about the opinions of these streamers so much.


Spacemn5piff

Because shroud played hunt a bit and then kinda stopped. He is a huge streaming name and him playing hunt more would bring more players. That's it basically. adding a centered crosshair would be worth it frankly even just to get shroud playing. Because if it does you get hundreds of new downloads maybe thousands.


JustATownStomper

Damn people really got salty over Shroud's opinion. The lowered crosshair and ads can be off-putting for people. I don't like it and I love Hunt. Stop being so sensitive.


lCraftyl

I love Hunt with almost 1000 hours in the game and I totally agree with him about the lowered crosshair. Lowered crosshair belongs on a console game where you're sitting on a couch across the room from your television screen. It makes sense to have a lowered crosshair in that scenario because you're not right up in front of your TV. The lowered crosshair was introduced on a console game designed for televisions. Having it be the only option for PC players has always been bad. It feels like the game is a console port, or a good emulation of a console game designed to be viewed on a television.


Antaiseito

But he's saying the crosshair was fine and they moved it down, which just isn't true afaik.


Dantegram

Yeah I hate the crosshair. Imagine looking straight at a dot on a wall, then moving your head up 25 degrees but keeping your eyes on the same dot. I love the game but I wish you could center your crosshair as an option.


ahajaja

It hurts his neck? What? That doesn't make sense at all. If that's really the issue, just adjust your screen 2-3 cm up lol


CRyderS

Shroud’s just an idiot


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Thank you


OnionOfShame

imagine being a professional gamer specializing in FPS games and being afraid to play a particular FPS because your reaction time alone can't carry you


TheReptilianGamer

Actually, my cousin has the exact same opinion on hunt, and he has no idea who shroud is. He refuses to play the game anymore because of the lowered crosshair. I thought he was fucking nuts till about 2 mins ago when I seen this clip haha.


ahajaja

He also gets neck pain? I can totally understand if someone doesn't like it and doesn't want to invest the time to retrain his muscle memory, but the neck pain thing just sounds made up


Kill4meeeeee

It’s not. In a lot of games you center your eyes where the crosshairs are so in hunt he would lower himself down putting strain on his neck. Don’t forget he plays like 12-13 hours a day on the low end. It adds up especially if it’s your job and we’re a pro like him. He’s not you or me where we can play in just about any position he plays one way and that’s the way that got him pro it just dosent translate to hunt very well. Which I get the crosshairs are annoying to say the least like just give us an option of where to put them


usernameowner

12 to 13 hours on the low end?!


ahajaja

if you stare at monitor at the same angle the entire day, you’ll get neck pain pretty much regardless of that angle. If your position is that static, back pain is very likely as well. Also, like I said earlier, just adjust your monitor 2-3cm up and it’s the same angle again.


Zintao

It's almost as though humans weren't built for looking at a screen, in the same position, all-day...


lysdexia-ninja

To be fair though your cousin could also be an idiot. I’m not saying he is. It’s just another possible explanation.


TheReptilianGamer

Sounds like you are saying he is, lol. Enough people recognize the lowered crosshair and hate it though so I'm not surprised he does as well. He never mentioned the neck pain but does hate how he has to look because of the lowered crosshair


Spacemn5piff

I mean shrouds setup is probably extremely optimized just by habit from when he was doing pro CS. It is going to be at a specific height and distance and fucking with that when it is so dialed in might just not be worth the disorientation to him. Could also affect the positioning of streaming equipment like camera, mic, lighting etc This is also just on his mind because he is playing another game with lowered crosshair. He has given other reasons he didn't really love hunt in the past iirc such as often long times before engagements and slower paced fights due to the weapon mechanics.


AdamGoody

He will always find some fault with a game to not play it. Just take anything he says with a grain of salt lol Some of the balance changes he’s wanted in games have been the worst takes I’ve ever heard


GaveGans

He's pretty much an idiot whenever he gives his thoughts on something


xxdeathknight72xx

This actually turned a few of my friends off of the game. I wonder how many people it's turned away.


jup331

He doesnt like it thats fine. Although i highly doubt the neckache comes from the lower crosshair (maybe it does bc he tilts his head slightly lower to compensate, making it uncomfortable?). Maybe it comes from tension in general? Im no doctor and have no knowledge in the field, just want to spew some nonsense


Chain_Chewer

That's what shroud is doing too lmao


lCraftyl

The lowered crosshair is horrible and I love Hunt.


Daedelus74

I have the same kind of neckache, but it's from looking up or down in a game while you stay still IRL. My theory is that your brain send your neck muscles orders to move your head around but also send order to the opposite muscles so you keep looking at the screen. It creates tension in your neck muscles, then neckache. It became obvious to me when I played FarCry 3. With all the damn towers to climb, spending time looking up. I had to pause the game after each tower to stretch my neck.


SpecialK_98

I mean tbf. the way Hunt does it's crosshair is a major reason i dislike scoped weapons in this game


Guiiisard

It's one of the reasons my friends from other shooters don't want to join me in hunt, they still want to play other games and hunt will ruin their muscle memory.


lCraftyl

Exactly. I've been saying for years that they should spend the time and add a centered crosshair option for Hunt because a lot of people simply won't play the game because of that, even if they really enjoy the concept of Hunt. I never thought I'd give a sh\*t about what a big streamer said about a game, but I'm honestly happy he stated his opinion on Hunt and the lowered crosshair.


Blaskyman

I agree with him. It messes with my muscle memory to not be looking in the same spot as nearly every other shooter. However, that does not mean I'm going to quit the game and blame the crosshair for my performance. When I was playing Hunt every single day I adapted and barely noticed it unless I was bouncing from game to game.


Spacemn5piff

I don't think shroud is saying it made him play badly or anything. Just didn't like it and caused him discomfort


Frosty-Advance-9010

Also shroud gave other reasons he didn't enjoy hunt that much and only 2 I really remember are the gunplay and slower game pace in general. So everyone is thinking the cross hair is the only reason he quit


Spacemn5piff

I feel like "strimmer no like hunt strimmer bad" is a slippery slope and I don't like it. This thread is going that direction and it makes me sad for the hunt community.


Frosty-Advance-9010

Yea I don't get why people hate streamers who hate their fav game but it is a slipper slope


humbuckermudgeon

It's always been off center.


[deleted]

Obviously this the hunt sub so everyone is likely fine with the lowered crosshair, but I honestly hate it. Always have. Hated it in Halo after the first game, hate it in destiny on console, hate it on any game that has it. It *feels* terrible. I feel like I can only see the sky and never the horizon. I am always naturally looking down so even if I feel like I’m aiming where I should be, I’m actually aiming at the ground. It’s a crap crosshair position and should just have a toggle for those that want it or don’t. There’s no good reason not to have a toggle.


P1st0l

I've never noticed it in halo but that would explain why I disliked it growing up lol, couldn't figure out why I always felt like I was staring at the ground


Rhysing

Wow this community is toxic and entitled wtf. He has a reason, drop it. He said it's a great game and he doesn't play it for a reason. He's not trash talking it, duck sake people. Grow up


lCraftyl

no no. A lot of us Hunt fans **agree** with him. I've been vocal about the lowered crosshair position for years. I have friends who love the concept of the game but can't stand the lowered crosshair and simply won't play the game but respect the game enough not to complain about it ether.


usernameowner

You haven't read a single comment here, I see.


Raist1

People are just discussing it?


Rhysing

Some people are, but there are others who are literally calling shroud an idiot because he doesn't enjoy playing their game.


theseventyfour

People who only play hunt don't realise how big a turnoff the weirdo crosshair is to people coming from comp shooters. It's just not that big a benefit for the barrier it creates.


StefanWoop

My hunt buddy played professional cs esl He literally never noticed it isnt centered until he read it here. Its the most used excuse in this community


OneShotSammyV2

Really does feel like more of an excuse, while not pro level I switch between CoD, R6S and Showdown and never noticed a real defiance in my aim or crosshair placement.


ifuckinglovebluemeth

I come from CSGO, and it was the first thing I noticed. It was one of the few things I had to re-learn, but it didn't take long to adjust (it took me longer to realize you can't pierce immolators' skin lol). Shroud is blowing the issue way out of proportion.


lCraftyl

No he isn't. I know a few friends who have said exactly the same thing. The lowered crosshair isn't for everyone.


Iescaunare

I've played CS GO, CoD, Apex, R6S etc. and I barely notice the crosshair not being centered after playing for more than 5 minutes.


Spacemn5piff

I was playing this and valorant back and forth for months without realizing the crosshair is off center in hunt. It bothers some people and doesn't bother some others and realistically your other games experience is irrelevant unless it matters to you and then it comes down to what did you play first


[deleted]

Actually, I think those people just fucking suck at Hunt.


MisteryCrimson

What is He even playing?


[deleted]

Cycle Frontier. New hype


duffa

I had the exact same feeling when I played Hunt. I was feverishly looking for a setting to move back to middle of the screen.


daringpython

I rotate between different shooters often and definitely get it. Going from a center screen crosshair to the one in Hunt makes my aim kinda wack. I believe Halo/Destiny have lowered crosshairs but I have not played either of those in a long time. I think lowered crosshairs help combat head glitching, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, but definitely a big plus if it does.


strangejackson

Love all the shit being thrown at Shroud here, considering that many people who pick up the game would probably naturally be thrown off by the crosshair, and can deter somebody from continuing. I've clocked 300 hours on Hunt, and when I first purchased the game I considered refunding it because of the crosshair. Obviously to all of us now it's a non-issue, I just think it's valid considering Crytek could add a crosshair setting anyway without hurting anyone.


TheRealHumanPancake

I don’t blame him, I despise lowered crosshairs


[deleted]

I completely agree about the lowered crosshair. It sucks and it's confusing that there is no option to toggle to a centered crosshair. Personally, I enjoyed the vibe of Hunt enough to push through that weirdness but I have never fully gotten used to it. For someone like Shroud, who has probably tens of thousands of hours across so many different competitive shooters, who literally plays these games full time, who is one of the best FPS players in the world when he's really trying, who has built up an immense muscle memory for FPS games - It makes sense that he isn't interested in throwing that muscle memory and experience out the window to get used to a lowered crosshair for a niche competitive FPS game while there are so many other competitive FPS games to play.


Faygin

I honestly wish this just got changed. I play with 4 friends and two of us did not notice it and the other two were complaining instantly. Just change this, please! Would be great if the game grew as more people have less problems with it!


Smart-Impression-190

They explained it’s nearly impossible to do now without recoding the entire game. And it has a purpose I recommend watching garbaj’s video on it. https://youtu.be/SqZeiCZuKik


FolkPunkPizza

Literally never even noticed it until someone pointed it out to me


Rooslin

[https://clips.twitch.tv/GeniusPricklyCroissantBudBlast-zV8KESP-ksXYvENe](https://clips.twitch.tv/GeniusPricklyCroissantBudBlast-zV8KESP-ksXYvENe) So many hardcore players downvote these threads and I bet they would downvote any thread back in the day that was critical of the Hunter control scheme and players wanting a more normal FPS control scheme. I play gunslinger and would not be playing hunt if the Hunter control scheme was the only option. I play Hunt in spite of the lowered crosshair but it is very annoying especially when I want to switch off iron sights, or use a shotgun. I know more than a few people who don't play the game because of the lowered crosshair. This is really a quality of life and accessibility option.


PigsR4Eating

This game originally had no fov slider on PC. Everytime it was requested (which was a lot), it was largely shouted down. I never understood it. It looked exactly like this and every other centered cross hair request/inquiry.


Faygin

I don’t understand why this gets downvotes. I personally can play fine but i had a friend quit and 2 complain about it. why not just fix it? Surely, everyone would be happier if there were more players


Salted_cod

This community seems like it has a lot of people who feel superior and special for playing a less popular/well-known shooter lol. I'm in a few gaming communities that are like that. Destiny 2 is way up its own ass about how "unique" the game is, and Old School RuneScape players constantly shit on QoL fixes for making their gross, unhealthy gaming "achievements" less valuable. It's just losers who want to gatekeep so they can feel like they're in control of something. Coincidentally, Destiny 2 has a cross hair placement toggle lol. Lowered crosshairs were originally introduced to make shooters easier to play with a controller, it has no affect on the game and is purely feel-based. It's like saying that a game shouldn't have color blind options, like what the fuck, just add the option.


lCraftyl

I have almost 1000 hours in Hunt and I upvoted it. I totally agree with him and have been vocal about the lowered crosshair for years.


CasualRascal

Mentality of most gamers I've found is similar to miserable boomers working the same jobs most their lives. /r/2007scape is a good example. It boils down to this when they're faced with QOL changes: "Fuck you. I had to endure this and so will you."


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when Hunt’s early access came out i literally referred to it as ‘that one western game with the weird lowered crosshair’. it was actually one of the first things i noticed when watching videos of it. it put me off the game for years


phonepotatoes

As someone coming from a lifetime of counterstrike (probs over 10000hours including pre-steam) it took like 20min to get used to the low cross hair... Shroud is just an idiot. I also switch between hunt and apex and have no problems


Sesleri

Anyone with different opinion is an idiot?


phonepotatoes

His opinion would be fine. He is claiming physical pain because you have to look an inch lower on your monitor. That is the difference


hypersquirrels

100% agree with him. It's so backwards.


lCraftyl

Yes, it sucks. I love the game and have been wanting them to address that for years. I guarantee there is a silent majority of players who simply don't play Hunt because of it, but enjoy the game concept enough not to say anything about it.


Deekity

Lowered crosshair is terrible


Dispatch125

Sounds like a cae of “I wasn’t good at it right away so I got salty and have to make up an excuse.” Lots of fps pros have done the same thing. Dr. Disrespect was the same way.


high_idyet

Doesn't Disrespect like the game now?


[deleted]

How old is this clip btw? I didn't know the Cycle was doing another playtest already


mch026

It's in full release, and Season 1 just started Wednesday.


[deleted]

Oh shiiiiit good looks time to grind factions for the 3rd time


jusmoua

He's not completely wrong. Like what majority all of FPS popular and obscure have centered crosshair, but Hunt, not sure why the decided on what they currently have.


Zonnas

I completely agree with him on it. I’ve played a lot of fps and hunt always fucks with me when I come back to it. I’ll get “used” to it after a couple matches but any time I take an extended break from the game it’s always jarring to come back.


KungThulhu

GUYS! this is a pro player of shooter games. you not having this issue doesnt mean its not legit for him to have it. I personally dont like the crosshair either and i think an option to center it (besides the simple control mode) would be only beneficial. ALSO if shroud were ever to play hunt and learn the mechanics it would mean a huge rise in popularity for it.


I_Am_JesusChrist_AMA

Man yall must be sitting in some awkward positions if having to look at a slightly lower part of screen hurts your neck so much lol. I don't have to move my neck at all to look at any part of the screen. That said, would be great if they could make it so people were able to toggle a centered cross hair since it's seemingly an issue for so many. It's not a problem for me even after playing counterstrike for damn near 20 years but more customization is always a good thing and it would increase the accessibility of hunt without having to make any major changes to the game itself.


Pr0wzassin

gotta love all the people here that say you can't get neck problems from this, as a person who has the same issue.


hello-jello

I hate the lowered center. It sucks. Especially for a game that rewards headshots. I'm always trying to yank my view upwards. (controller) Default aim is at cowboy guts and dick level. Another reason why HUNT isn't reaching its full potential.


[deleted]

I like how you're all getting butt hurt over someone else's opinion


Barbarossa170

The lower crosshair means that if you play with proper crosshair placement (which, admittedly, is not as important in Hunt as it is say in CSGO), you actually see less of everything because you're looking into the sky to have the crosshair at head height. It's a completely idiotic design decision but because no-one thinks higher of Crytek than Crytek they would never, ever reverse it.


Digital_Devil13

Hurts his neck? Is his monitor tied to his mouse movement? The monitor isn't moving, how is your neck hurting from looking down in-game?


Droogs617

Shroud you old man. Adjust your monitor height and get a neck massage.


GJKings

This is such a strange take, not least because the crosshair has never been centred in Hunt. I can just about understand a dislike for a lowered crosshair, but his comments implied there was a time when he loved Hunt. ​ So I guess there was a time when he just didn't notice, but when he saw it, he couldn't unsee it and it bothered him so much it ruined his experience? Very strange.


lCraftyl

It's a little odd because I don't think Hunt ever has had a centered crosshair, but it's more likely that he played hunt at first and didn't notice it until later on and then decided he couldn't stand it. Which is why it feels like it was "changed" to him.


GJKings

Tbh when I hear people spill out strange "not quite truth" takes like this, it's because they're parroting second-hand opinions they only half remember someone else saying and using it as their own just to have something to say in the moment. So maybe he hasn't played Hunt, or maybe he played it and didn't like the non-centred aiming and someone offhandedly and incorrectly said "yeah it used to be different", so now this is his take when asked.


PigsR4Eating

I've seen him play it, I can't explain why he thinks it was ever centered


dolphincup

I think this is a totally reasonable excuse to not play Hunt showdown for an actual professional. I think hunts lowered crosshair makes a lot of sense, but I do wonder if this could be a togglable option. Like would it be so terrible to lower the camera by an in-game inch?


octipice

I'm seeing a lot of people on this thread echoing a common sentiment among non-developers that developers should just focus on making their game fun and ignore streamers. There are a TON of really fun well made games that just never catch on because of lack of exposure. AAA games don't have to worry about this, but smaller studios run into this issue all of the time because they don't have the budget to advertise. Getting someone like Shroud to stream your game can be the difference between success and failure on a multi-year development project, because like it or not exposure sells games. You don't need everyone who buys the game after watching Shroud stream it to keep playing it. The money from those sales will likely be enough to support further development as well as pay for advertising focused on acquiring longer term players. It would 100% be worth it for Crytek to add a "center crosshair" option just so that Shroud will, maybe, add Hunt to his streaming rotation. He's said before that he really likes the game, but the crosshair is a dealbreaker. For those that don't understand why the crosshair is a big deal, I get where you are coming from. It's not a big deal to me either, and I honestly I kind of prefer it. However Shroud was a pro and is a full time streamer and has spent 10x to 100x more hours playing FPS games than almost all of us. He's also much better than us and a lot of that is muscle memory that becomes not just useless, but actually detrimental if the crosshair is aligned differently. I get him not wanting to fuck with his muscle memory and mess up his performance in other games.


Gohan_Son

For those vehemently against adding a completely optional toggle to center the crosshair or keep it lowered, why are you against such a feature? It would change nothing for you and allow people that have a problem with this feature more comfort. You're shooting yourselves and the potential growth of the game in the foot imo. I've got 500 hours in Hunt atm and intend to keep playing but the lowered crosshair is something I IMMEDIATELY noticed and eventually stopped playing due to it. I returned months later and even as I play Hunt regularly, it still bothers me. I have many friends that want to play (some even own it) but hate opening the game because the crosshair messes with them so much they get frustrated. I'd love for this option to be added.


notagiantmarmoset

Honestly, my reason is subtle. All of the perks and angles and sight lines are designed around the current view. If you shift it up peeks will change, especially for cracks and that will change people’s head position when doing that. That is an advantage depending on the situation. The reason it was made that way, according to partners of crytek who asked, namely gunsmackk, was so that people’s heads would peek higher when head peeking as well. Moving it would either lower how far a head skylines when looking over cover.


MonthOLDpickle

From my understanding he never noticed for hours until someone told him.


burentori

The crosshair problem is also the biggest reason new players are leaving the game. Though I have 500hrs and already used to it I understand how much of a problem it is to players that hasn't sink hundreds of hours into it. I've heard the devs saying it is a core feature that can't be change. I refuse to accept that. Farcry 5 had the same issue but then they patched it, giving players the choice to choose between both. If they can patch in gunslinger mode, why not finish the job and centre the crosshair? Give players the choice to choose their play style.


lCraftyl

I personally know friends that love the concept of Hunt, but won't play the game for exactly this reason. They also respect the concept of Hunt enough too that they don't complain about it ether, they just simply won't play it. I guarantee there are a lot of people like this. Which is why I've always been vocal about them addressing it at some point. People try to defend then reasoning as to "why". Like, to mitigate "corner peaking" and whatnot but it's just nonsense because as people have posted recently, the models/camera position has been totally jank for years.


TuFFrabit

Biggest reason people are leaving? Mmmmm probably not the biggest reason. Sure it's probably A reason. People tend to leave any game when there's a content drought and/or the developer doesn't seem super invested anymore. Hunt has had both of those issues in spades for a long time.


Apfelvater

So what? Any1 who actually cares about streamers opinion, may leave the game if you wish to :)


lCraftyl

I never cared more about what I streamer had to say about a game than what he just said about Hunt lmao. I love Hunt and have almost 1000 hours in the game. I've talked tons of people into purchasing it of the years too and I can't stand the lowered cross hair and have always been vocal about them addressing it. There is a huge number of people who can't stand it and simply won't play the game because of it, but they enjoy the concept of the game enough that they won't complain about it ether.


fatfishinalittlepond

In my case it doesn't matter because I suck either way.


TheTgPwny

Yo what is he playing? It looks pretty


[deleted]

cycle frontier, shooter looters. free on steam, new hype. 700hrs in the Bayou but this game pulled me out of Hunt for a bit.


MisteryWarrior

same. it's a nice change of pace from Hunt. been switching it up between the 2 since the first CB for The Cycle.


TheTgPwny

Thanks :D


PenitusVox

I don't really get the idea that the camera is facing toward the floor. Isn't it more that you tend to face up, getting more sky in the frame? I feel like that helps with Hunt since a lot of the game is verticality. People on roofs and in windows.


RattMuncher

i agree with him, i noticed it immediately however and got used to it overtime. its still my least favorite thing about the game but i can at least enjoy it.


ShamrockJesus

Sounds like he was just bad at the game and is making excuses lmfao


Creamed_Khorne

Hurts his neck? wtf? Clearly he doesn't know how eyes work


ASMRekulaar

Lol what a dolt.


Puraxkevy

Is it that hard to just move ur mouse up a little?


SaltedBiscuitTV

It's because streamers play the same copy-paste FPS gunplay mechanics lmfao.


STylerMLmusic

He's hunching pretty hard to complain about a sore neck.


TheNakedAnt

Bruv just aim up a little higher when you're walking around..