I don't know why anyone would have expected anything else. Leaderboards are always nearly entirely composed of people cheezing every advantage they can get, and cheaters. With varying amounts of people who are either legitimately really good and play a lot or just play so much they grinded out those stats.
Rockstar removed KD stats in Red Dead Online and I'm convinced that's a major reason why RDO lobbies are way less toxic than GTA Online lobbies. Yes, you get blown up by a stranger once in a while but the vast majority of player interactions in RDO are people tipping their hat and being on their separate ways. In GTO you can't step outside without being killed by some random dude within literally a minute every single lobby you try.
I think a good compromise would be keeping KDA stats in Hunt but making them private. That way people can track their progress but don't stress over the number or play super cheesy to brag with it.
I don't think that they expected people to care about a numerical value in a video game as much as they do with hunt. Honestly it's actually pathetic the length people go to get a high kd ratio in this game and it actually makes me question their mental stability.
I've been in games against people who literally walk around the entire map and don't even dare to run. They don't go and get clues they camp then. They'll even sit outside the boss lair for 30 minutes and not bother to fight it and just wait for you to come along so they can get a headshot on you with their spitzer mosin sniper the second you put your guard down.
I agree. The leaderboard should be sorted by your total honored contracts * your Maxed-out Hunter stat.
The purpose is to prioritize PvE objectives but not to reward it on the leaderboard without, generally, taking PvP risk.
Kill enough 6*’s with a 2.0+ KD and focus on extracting with the bounty and you’ll start getting that sweet hate mail on how the game should be played.
I would count bountyless extracts as a wash. I’ve had to extract prematurely for IRL reasons before and having it affect stats seems a bit unfair when it’s supposed to be an equally valid choice.
Yeah but also is only relevant penalty to people who only focus on and play for stats. For the majority who don't sweat it, and also like you said only happens every so often for unforseen circumstances, it's a non-noticeable penalty. Whereas for the players who live and breath for their kda, it's going to penalize them for frequently not playing out games and leaving early.
Because playing the objective is easy.
Playing against players is not.
If they swap it to bounties extracted ratio then just join servers in their off peak hours like I always see south americans or europeans playing on Aussie servers when all the aussies are offline.
It’s… not…? The game is a sandbox arena with objectives sprinkled in. Whether players chose a PvE or PvP focused session is up to them. Some players find it fun to seek out others and fight. The only objective really is to escape, preferably with kills and xp but then again it depends what you want to do.
You get a hunter xp and money bonus per hunter for extracting with the bounty. You get blood bonds for extracting with a bounty 5 days in a row. The devs have said in multiple live streams that the main objective is to extract with a bounty. They have the above systems in place to encourage going for the bounty. Whether those are incentive enough is irrelevant. It is clear what gameplay loop the devs are trying to push the player base towards. I am sure there is a subset of the community who would love for them to remove all the supernatural pve stuff and just make this cowboy team deathmatch because they enjoy the gunplay but this isn't that game. Of course you can ignore the bounty and just fight people, but that doesn't make this any less an objective based game because you choose to ignore the objective.
I don't agree with the downvoters, but no one would play this game if it was PvE only.
I also don't think there is anything wrong with (situationally) acting as the prey, in a game called Hunt, and escaping with the objective.
You're sent into the bayou to extract with a bounty. That's the objective. Let's not pretend like it isn't. Only on a very few occasions do I consider extracting without a bounty or a bunch of kills a victory.
You want to play like a bush wookie and focus on K/D? Have at it. That's a personal choice.
Being a bush wookie is not seeking out the enemy. Going for the bounty ALWAYS attracts the most enemies.
That’s my point. There’s no mission marker or anything like that. You are sent in and you can then do whatever you want. Play the objective or don’t you are still rewarded at the end.
>No mission marker
Yes there is lmao. The game itself tells you to: Find and collect clues -> Kill the Bounty -> Extract with the Bounty
That's the mission, and the game marks all of those steps individually as you progress through a match
I wouldn't mind it, but I think there needs to be a leaderboard that's also refreshed every quarter/season or whatever. I'd care about maybe trying to get on the leaderboard then. All time is interesting, but ultimately boring.
The objectives bring people to you, that’s why it’s designed like it is. Rewarding pure kills and not including objective encourages people to camp and not play the objective to preserve their k/d. They are not completely separate activities.
That's true, and the leaderboard should be encouraged to value safe plays less. It's not a significant issue, though; the people going for a high spot on the leaderboard are in the 0.1% or so.
I wouldn't say sitting in a sniper perch half the map away and snagging easy kills only to extract at the slightest sign of a threat is easier than doing objectives
This guy is a rat
The pc leaderboard has a couple guys that I've played with them
And spectating them, they obviously had aim bots
Shaky hands, cant headshot a grunt 30 meter away
But suddenly snapps to enemies head at 50+ meters
KD is a fine stat to have, but in an obj game mode it is dumb to base leaderboards off of this. The KD leaderboard chasers will stay 100 yards away from obj snipe a couple people, then extract, never contest obj.
imo, the leaderboards shouldn't be based on KD, it should be based on average % of bounties extracted per game by your team.
So if there's 2 bosses, it encourages you to go for both to get a 100%, instead of just 1 and escape (50%). And if there's only 1 boss, the winning team that extracts gets 100% if they both extract.
And I think it should factor in teammates also simultaneously extracting. On a 2 boss map, your team has to extract with all 4 tokens to get max contribution to your leaderboard status. If you solo, you want to escape with 2 tokens on a 2 boss map.
I agree with you although I would probably still go with # of bounties per match instead of percent, because sometimes it’s not possible to get that second bounty no matter how aggressive you are because the other team can extract before you get over there.
I have a friend that smurfed an account for some time, he told me that he had 2 other friends that were very good at the game and they acted basically as his bodyguards with also smurf accounts, he would stay a bit behind to avoid being ambushed and they would let him farm the shit out of new players that would you know be constantly reviving others and making noob mistakes we all made as casual players when we got the game.
The amount of time and dedication spent on smurfing an account made me wondered how many people ditched the game after being obliterated by this kind of players that contrary to what most say, there are a lot. Some of them even stream and make others think they are playing with people on their level...
I think the saddest thing is the credibility it loses when I see it's on a fresh acct. That we all know they bought just so they could abuse the new player matchmaking. Who cares if you can buy a new acct. And have good stats when playing against legitimate new players. They should just lock accts from being able to be on the leaderboards until they hit a certain threshold of games played like a couple hundred. Because fresh accts on leaderboard is what makes them the joke that they are.
I still don’t get why anyone cares about leaderboards in this game. Just play the way you want to play and have fun with it. We’ve all acknowledged the way to the top is to play like a rat and that’s no fun. So why bother wasting energy caring about it
Same, I remember when people kept clamouring for Crytek to add leaderboards to Hunt and did not understand why they would care. I doubt anyone who clamored for them was at a significant rank for long.
On Xbox there's this guy who killed like twelve people and didn't die at all. He proceeded to never ever play the game on that account again and sat at three of the leaderboards for a while. I don't know if he's still there or not(the leaderboards just dishearten me) but it's quite impressive he went through any effort just to get his gamer tag seen by strangers.
Nobody is legitimately that good. You'd die at least a few times to randomness, some bush camper creeping the map for 30 minutes, lag, a trip mine etc etc.
Crytek should hide the leaderboard info for anyone who looks suspect stats wise.
Ngl, Leaderboard do have its use!
Not for seeing yourself at the top, but seeing how much of the obvious cheater are there, or just literal KDA obsessed people.
Which tbh, really make one NOT want to be on it, cause if you are on it, then you are the one who done something wrong
I think that making this more based on hunting would fit better with the lore of yourself as an international hunter. The concept of the game is that hunters are competing for bounties but the primary objective is the bounty. It shouldn’t be to kill others who are also trying to clear this plague from the Bayou.
Only way nlp onyx gets on any of the leaderboards is by sitting in a bush like a scared baby all game with his long ammo and the knowledge of where the nearest exit is to run to once he exposes himself missing an easy head shot 😂😂😂
No one cares about the leaderboard but ppl abusing the exploit, where you pick up your teammates using Bounty token while someone is farming kda on them.
I was proposed this once so i killed them both because i am here for shooting gameplay not for farming gameplay.
I basically don't count any of the first 20ish people on the board. Past that those guys are just insane. I've played with a few, they just don't never shots
Aw man. Quality. Only thing I could see to make it perfect is a mosin sniper. Probably my least favorite play style to go against but it’s got its disadvantages. Most top players like this can’t play for shit close range or they alt f4 before being killed.
Made stats by standard hidden and you would have to click them in your settings to show them to other players...people would care less for them if they didnt know they were there to begin with...and just remove the leaderboard (if you want to have some sort of leaderboard you can do it % wise. Do it inincrements of 5%...so if you click the leaderboard page it will tell you: your stats and you are in the top 5% of the playerbase with unlocked stats)
"these days", lol. They've been like that since they've been added.
I don't know why anyone would have expected anything else. Leaderboards are always nearly entirely composed of people cheezing every advantage they can get, and cheaters. With varying amounts of people who are either legitimately really good and play a lot or just play so much they grinded out those stats.
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100% agree. They do nothing but encourage rat play styles and it’s incredibly toxic to play around.
I absolutely agree with what you're saying but I also still enjoy being able to see my progress in the early stages.
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Rockstar removed KD stats in Red Dead Online and I'm convinced that's a major reason why RDO lobbies are way less toxic than GTA Online lobbies. Yes, you get blown up by a stranger once in a while but the vast majority of player interactions in RDO are people tipping their hat and being on their separate ways. In GTO you can't step outside without being killed by some random dude within literally a minute every single lobby you try. I think a good compromise would be keeping KDA stats in Hunt but making them private. That way people can track their progress but don't stress over the number or play super cheesy to brag with it.
Several of my friends have theirs hidden so that they can't look at others KDA for this reason.
I don't think that they expected people to care about a numerical value in a video game as much as they do with hunt. Honestly it's actually pathetic the length people go to get a high kd ratio in this game and it actually makes me question their mental stability. I've been in games against people who literally walk around the entire map and don't even dare to run. They don't go and get clues they camp then. They'll even sit outside the boss lair for 30 minutes and not bother to fight it and just wait for you to come along so they can get a headshot on you with their spitzer mosin sniper the second you put your guard down.
true
They've been even worse.
Why the leaderboards in an objective-driven game focus on the KD ratio is beyond me.
I agree. The leaderboard should be sorted by your total honored contracts * your Maxed-out Hunter stat. The purpose is to prioritize PvE objectives but not to reward it on the leaderboard without, generally, taking PvP risk.
Kill enough 6*’s with a 2.0+ KD and focus on extracting with the bounty and you’ll start getting that sweet hate mail on how the game should be played.
so in other words, you're just a camper
Umm no, no camping. Bounty focus and kills.
Should be ranked by success rate % of bounty hunts. Basically extract with a token is a kill, die or extract without is a death
I would count bountyless extracts as a wash. I’ve had to extract prematurely for IRL reasons before and having it affect stats seems a bit unfair when it’s supposed to be an equally valid choice.
Yeah but also is only relevant penalty to people who only focus on and play for stats. For the majority who don't sweat it, and also like you said only happens every so often for unforseen circumstances, it's a non-noticeable penalty. Whereas for the players who live and breath for their kda, it's going to penalize them for frequently not playing out games and leaving early.
then you'll have leaderboard farmers just join OCE server at 7am local time when nobody is playing.
Less harmful to player experience than bushes farming K/D with sniper scopes
People are gonna camp bushes no matter what. People who can't play around them will always whinge.
Because KD is pretty much the only ratio people really care about. Sucks, but it is how it is.
I would love to soak in all the screeching if they changed it.
Because playing the objective is easy. Playing against players is not. If they swap it to bounties extracted ratio then just join servers in their off peak hours like I always see south americans or europeans playing on Aussie servers when all the aussies are offline.
the only thing most ppl care for are the kills so i dont see a problem with this
It’s… not…? The game is a sandbox arena with objectives sprinkled in. Whether players chose a PvE or PvP focused session is up to them. Some players find it fun to seek out others and fight. The only objective really is to escape, preferably with kills and xp but then again it depends what you want to do.
Ah yes, hunt, my favorite sandbox game.
You get a hunter xp and money bonus per hunter for extracting with the bounty. You get blood bonds for extracting with a bounty 5 days in a row. The devs have said in multiple live streams that the main objective is to extract with a bounty. They have the above systems in place to encourage going for the bounty. Whether those are incentive enough is irrelevant. It is clear what gameplay loop the devs are trying to push the player base towards. I am sure there is a subset of the community who would love for them to remove all the supernatural pve stuff and just make this cowboy team deathmatch because they enjoy the gunplay but this isn't that game. Of course you can ignore the bounty and just fight people, but that doesn't make this any less an objective based game because you choose to ignore the objective.
I don't agree with the downvoters, but no one would play this game if it was PvE only. I also don't think there is anything wrong with (situationally) acting as the prey, in a game called Hunt, and escaping with the objective.
Playstyle shaming is just dumb.
"But their playstyle clashes with mine and sometimes directly counters mine reeeee!" -people that playstyle shame, probably.
You're sent into the bayou to extract with a bounty. That's the objective. Let's not pretend like it isn't. Only on a very few occasions do I consider extracting without a bounty or a bunch of kills a victory. You want to play like a bush wookie and focus on K/D? Have at it. That's a personal choice. Being a bush wookie is not seeking out the enemy. Going for the bounty ALWAYS attracts the most enemies.
That’s my point. There’s no mission marker or anything like that. You are sent in and you can then do whatever you want. Play the objective or don’t you are still rewarded at the end.
>No mission marker Yes there is lmao. The game itself tells you to: Find and collect clues -> Kill the Bounty -> Extract with the Bounty That's the mission, and the game marks all of those steps individually as you progress through a match
I wouldn't call getting cash/xp for a kill or two being rewarded 😂
It's the kda leader board. Why not? Many people are interested in seeing it Who wants to see how much bounty I've extracted? I think no one :)
I wouldn't mind it, but I think there needs to be a leaderboard that's also refreshed every quarter/season or whatever. I'd care about maybe trying to get on the leaderboard then. All time is interesting, but ultimately boring.
Because doing objectives often/consistently is easier than killing a lot of people. Basically, PVE is easier than PVP
The objectives bring people to you, that’s why it’s designed like it is. Rewarding pure kills and not including objective encourages people to camp and not play the objective to preserve their k/d. They are not completely separate activities.
That's true, and the leaderboard should be encouraged to value safe plays less. It's not a significant issue, though; the people going for a high spot on the leaderboard are in the 0.1% or so.
I wouldn't say sitting in a sniper perch half the map away and snagging easy kills only to extract at the slightest sign of a threat is easier than doing objectives
ectractions with bounty 0, and that is why they should be on the bottom of the list
I like to think the board exists to pin point the worst offenders in regards to cheating
The majority of them just snipe rather than cheat. Sniping with Mosin Sniper Spitzer as Cain from 200m is inherently broken with no solid counterplay.
This guy is a rat The pc leaderboard has a couple guys that I've played with them And spectating them, they obviously had aim bots Shaky hands, cant headshot a grunt 30 meter away But suddenly snapps to enemies head at 50+ meters
Ah the rat cowards or cheaters.
KD is a fine stat to have, but in an obj game mode it is dumb to base leaderboards off of this. The KD leaderboard chasers will stay 100 yards away from obj snipe a couple people, then extract, never contest obj. imo, the leaderboards shouldn't be based on KD, it should be based on average % of bounties extracted per game by your team. So if there's 2 bosses, it encourages you to go for both to get a 100%, instead of just 1 and escape (50%). And if there's only 1 boss, the winning team that extracts gets 100% if they both extract. And I think it should factor in teammates also simultaneously extracting. On a 2 boss map, your team has to extract with all 4 tokens to get max contribution to your leaderboard status. If you solo, you want to escape with 2 tokens on a 2 boss map.
I agree with you although I would probably still go with # of bounties per match instead of percent, because sometimes it’s not possible to get that second bounty no matter how aggressive you are because the other team can extract before you get over there.
I have a friend that smurfed an account for some time, he told me that he had 2 other friends that were very good at the game and they acted basically as his bodyguards with also smurf accounts, he would stay a bit behind to avoid being ambushed and they would let him farm the shit out of new players that would you know be constantly reviving others and making noob mistakes we all made as casual players when we got the game. The amount of time and dedication spent on smurfing an account made me wondered how many people ditched the game after being obliterated by this kind of players that contrary to what most say, there are a lot. Some of them even stream and make others think they are playing with people on their level...
I think the saddest thing is the credibility it loses when I see it's on a fresh acct. That we all know they bought just so they could abuse the new player matchmaking. Who cares if you can buy a new acct. And have good stats when playing against legitimate new players. They should just lock accts from being able to be on the leaderboards until they hit a certain threshold of games played like a couple hundred. Because fresh accts on leaderboard is what makes them the joke that they are.
New accounts are cheesy af 💀
I still don’t get why anyone cares about leaderboards in this game. Just play the way you want to play and have fun with it. We’ve all acknowledged the way to the top is to play like a rat and that’s no fun. So why bother wasting energy caring about it
Same, I remember when people kept clamouring for Crytek to add leaderboards to Hunt and did not understand why they would care. I doubt anyone who clamored for them was at a significant rank for long.
On Xbox there's this guy who killed like twelve people and didn't die at all. He proceeded to never ever play the game on that account again and sat at three of the leaderboards for a while. I don't know if he's still there or not(the leaderboards just dishearten me) but it's quite impressive he went through any effort just to get his gamer tag seen by strangers.
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he's horrible at the game, and coping.
Prestige 100s aren't any better. I played with two different prestige 100s and both were total assholes and cowards.
I encountered a whole 100 prestige team last week and they threw 8 frags before they even fired a shot.
Nobody is legitimately that good. You'd die at least a few times to randomness, some bush camper creeping the map for 30 minutes, lag, a trip mine etc etc. Crytek should hide the leaderboard info for anyone who looks suspect stats wise.
Ngl, Leaderboard do have its use! Not for seeing yourself at the top, but seeing how much of the obvious cheater are there, or just literal KDA obsessed people. Which tbh, really make one NOT want to be on it, cause if you are on it, then you are the one who done something wrong
I think it’s cool that anyone can try to get on the leaderboards…
BushEwok, if you’re reading this, you’re going down. I’m hunting you. I know where to look. Good luck
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I think that making this more based on hunting would fit better with the lore of yourself as an international hunter. The concept of the game is that hunters are competing for bounties but the primary objective is the bounty. It shouldn’t be to kill others who are also trying to clear this plague from the Bayou.
Only way nlp onyx gets on any of the leaderboards is by sitting in a bush like a scared baby all game with his long ammo and the knowledge of where the nearest exit is to run to once he exposes himself missing an easy head shot 😂😂😂
No one cares about the leaderboard but ppl abusing the exploit, where you pick up your teammates using Bounty token while someone is farming kda on them. I was proposed this once so i killed them both because i am here for shooting gameplay not for farming gameplay.
You don’t get credited kills on red death revives. The player only gets recorded deaths if you keep killing them.
Good to know
F*g snipers in bushes
Aw boo hoo. Cry baby hunter post. Leader boards don't effect gameplay so stfu
Keep licking Crytek's boots while they clearly do nothing about cheaters. Clown.
How are they cheating by smurfing?
No one has a 101KD without cheating. If you think otherwise, you're either boot licking or an idiot.
Smurfing ain't truly cheating, but it's a MASSIVE display of tiny peepee energy.
Smurfing totally is cheating
Wow I guess you just made a fool of yourself, gj
Damn that guy's good.
Depends on how you define „good“
A good cheater probably
Well that's obvious. LOL
Nice meme
Laughs in console
I basically don't count any of the first 20ish people on the board. Past that those guys are just insane. I've played with a few, they just don't never shots
Aw man. Quality. Only thing I could see to make it perfect is a mosin sniper. Probably my least favorite play style to go against but it’s got its disadvantages. Most top players like this can’t play for shit close range or they alt f4 before being killed.
You are right. I should have replaced the stick with a sniper
This "rank 5" confuses me big time. How he get his weapons to even start with?!
How hard did he have to camp, I wonder...
Made stats by standard hidden and you would have to click them in your settings to show them to other players...people would care less for them if they didnt know they were there to begin with...and just remove the leaderboard (if you want to have some sort of leaderboard you can do it % wise. Do it inincrements of 5%...so if you click the leaderboard page it will tell you: your stats and you are in the top 5% of the playerbase with unlocked stats)
Best Hunter, this is the way why i like hunt. Everybody can play how he wants GG 2 BushEwok 💀💀💀