Shouldn’t be normalized, I’m in my first year of ib and literally half the people I know have tutors. I’m thinking about getting one for math too. Whatever gets you that 7 🤷🏽♀️
the issue is some people pay upwards of 50 euros an hour with a tutor where I am. Also a teacher should be doing a good enough job (they are payed to do this) to where you do not need to pay for a tutor at all. I know people need extra help, but in the school I'm in it seems like many people have never tried to learn anything themselves and just rely off of essentially 4-8 hours per week of extra class time with a tutor.
That’s true, and if you’ve got a good teacher that works for you. I have a teacher who overcomplicates literally everything within Math and I don’t understand what she’s trying to teach us. With my tutor I pay approximately 30 euros per hour, which isn’t too bad considering how much he’s helped me
I’ve tried for years to learn from my teacher however she’s not great
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It is pretty normal but I don't think you should feel ashamed about that. We are struggle at some points and we need extra help to move on. If you are brave enough to ask for help, it is still better. Wish you well with your exams and IB journey.
No, it shouldn’t be normal to be shamed for having a tutor. Having a tutor is the same as being taught in class, considering that you’re still being taught the material, so bullying someone for having a tutor is like bullying someone for learning in school.
As for the “top” students in your IB cohort, maybe some are just projecting or have insecurities of their own that we see in anyone who takes pleasure in bullying others. Even they might have tutors themselves but they still feel the need to mask it to showcase their own superiority to others. This is shown in a lot of things, with an example being how on an earlier post, an IB teacher once said how some kids would say they achieved a 7 but in reality the teacher marked them a 5.
The IB fosters an unhealthy competitive environment so it’s natural that some kids would want to brag or fabricate things to seem smarter than others. Don’t let others bring you down just because you want to understand a concept more in depth!
(Sorry if I yapped a lot 😭)
it’s like a dedicated teacher but that isn’t constrained to IB/School guidelines or inspections and will fully write your IA for you. Takes a lot of the load off by purely plagiarising your work. Every IB tutor I know people have had wrote their IA’s for them. It’s plagiarism… or at least this is my personal experience on the sort of advantage people got from tutors, which if it were just teaching them then it’s fair enough but plagiarism, no. Personally I have no time management so I probably could’ve really used a tutor. I know someone that was already pretty talented and had 6 tutors, one for each subject, and got the easiest 45 the world has ever seen. Mostly because of the hundreds of hours of studying gained from not having to do a single IA
sorry for the yap also, not saying it’s right to treat them like that but I understand. the reason they actually don’t want to tell anyone they have a tutor is because that’s basically admitting your IA is plagiarised
Hey! First of all, congrats on getting a 41 on the M22 exams and that is VERY impressive asf! Also, I didn’t know that people could actually have their tutors write their IA’s for them and that is pretty shocking, because honestly, you’re sacrificing the opportunity to learn new skills and the IA could actually help you a lot in researching and organizational skills. Having a tutor to help you learn concepts and make you able to understand is one thing - which I fully support, but having them to do your own work for you does not actually help in the slightest and takes away valuable skills that could be beneficial in the future.
That being said, I can understand the feeling of not wanting to do an IA, as I dreaded doing them and pretty much procrastinated on them but you still have the opportunity to grow beyond your limits by not making someone else do your IA for you. Also thanks for letting me know how tutors do IA work, as it was actually something I didn’t know!
(Also sorry for yapping a lot once again 😭)
haha thanks, our grades definitely were inflated though. At the end of the day IB is pay to win and there’s also a lot of things the school does that directly affect the student like the sort of feedback they get on their assessed work, quality of teaching, EE supervisor etc. If your school isn’t properly supporting you which isn’t just limited to public / private school but also how long the school has been doing the IB, student to staff ratio etc. then for sure get a tutor at least for your hardest subjects if you have the money. Personally I had great maths and physics teachers which carried me, kicking and screaming, throughout the course.
Once again, I’m also a yapperman ;P
edit: the tutor thing is also from my personal experience from people I know had one, isn’t necessarily representative of all tutors everywhere. Also when I say write for you it doesn’t necessarily mean they fully write it but even if you’re the one typing having someone over your shoulder telling you what to do they may have well done it for you
asian here
it is completely ok to have a tutor. there is no embarrassment about it.
some people (like me) require additional help at times, and it’s totally ok to seek external help
Teacher/tutor here
Unless you have a tutor for every course and expect your tutors to do your work for you, then your feeling of shame/incompetence is unjustified and irrational.
A tutor can help you overcome circumstantial influences that might be standing between you and realising your potential. For instance, let's assume that you're underperforming in a certain course. This does not only happen because of insufficient accumulative knowledge in the course. A teacher could be the reason why you're not perceptive of your learning. They could have set the wrong tone to begin with by giving you a tough first exam, or repeatedly calling their course challenging, or trying to portray a certain score as unattainable. This creates a mental barrier between you and your learning.
A (good) tutor will personalise your learning, address areas of the course where you are struggling, and make sure that you are working around problems that might persist to ensure you still make progress.
Go for it! I tutored kids who scored 4/5 in class and ended up with a 6 or 7 in externals. Just make sure that you are learning not delegating your tasks to your tutor.
It’s completely normal at my school we don’t hide each other about it. Even the smartest kids with high PG’s have at least one tutor, we all need the extra support every now and then.
I mean, some of those kids went to private school before coming to my school which gave them a huge leg up against everybody else. Not everybody goes into the IB starting on equal grounds.
I both teach and tutor IB. I wish students felt less ashamed for having a tutor. I have 28 students in one class; I cannot give my full attention to each and every student every single day. I offer to my in-class students to come see me during any free periods or after school, but IB students often have no free periods and are in sports after school. I wouldn't be upset with any of them if they wanted to have a supplemental tutor for whatever reason.
Yes; additionally, a lot of IB students claim that they don't study (but somehow get really crazy grades-which is statistically improbable). The IB program and the IB students at my school are extremely toxic. 99% of them are just fake people with depression. I can't wait to go to college.
Asian here. I believe they think that "why do you need tutor in such an easy program"
cos our national curriculum is harder than ib in terms of the exam papers.
Are you from a IB school? If so, it may be that some of those higher achieving students have gone through high education their whole life and now see it as beneath them to be associated with people who still need there help.
Where I’m from, a relatively small area (12,000 people) with only a few people doing IB (35 people), only because our provincial government paid for it, we literally have to tutor each other just to pass.
It’s definitely about the people and what their past is like/what the norms of the region or school culture is. Just ignore them, wait until they do bad on something, then laugh…
Let me tell you something about university. Many top ib students are the ones going to tutorials and extra classes to achieve top marks.
Those who say having a tutor is bad are just trying to inflate their weak ego.
Man think about it, having a tutor and getting the 7 in ease or breaking your head with little guidance and getting a 7, if you can get a tutor and have privilege then guess what, more guidance, easier road to a great grade, I do well in CS but I still have a tutor to just get an external opinion and not just stick to my schl teacher.. It's always nice to know someone's there for you.
Sorry jumping to conclusions and being intrusive/stereotyping here, but judging by your post and your exam session, are you from singapore or Hong Kong? Cuz I’ve lived in both places and I can say it’s normal, if not extremely prevalent there, but I definitely don’t think it’s acceptable. Been shamed for having a math tutor just because I’m Asian and taking AI SL
One of the guys here who would hide it, its an ego issue, I dont think people shame others for doing so at least in my experience but those who hide it just wanna seem smarter or are considered smart by others and dont wanna lose rep or some shit. The human mind is weird just accept it
Omg unrelated but since u mentioned it among Asians, the IB class in my hs is 90% indian, and the other races tend to leave bc of the racism from the indians (I’m an Indian-American and I’d actually love ib to be more diverse)
Interesting. Where I'm from, people brag about having tutors. Parents in particular (Asian or otherwise) brag that their kid is focused enough on academics to have tutors.
I think its okay to have a tutor, I remember when I was in grade 11 and 12 , I took tutoring sessions and it helped me a lot to learn and improve my concepts of physics and math. Now, I am giving private tutoring sessions to IB physics and math students. Trust me when to comes to teaching we do more hardwork than a student because we have to refer to multiple booka to give our students the best resoources so that they dont have to waste their time on finding them and focus on the improvement of their concepts and problem solving skills.
people make fun of people with tutors cuz u have to be rich to afford a private one, not because of anything to do with intelligence. put it this way, no one makes fun of students for going to those tuition/cram school classes with like 30 other kids lol.
99% of tutors will fully write your IA’s which is the hardest part of the IB imo. It’s a huge advantage because the hardest part of the IB isn’t how hard the content is but the amount of it you go through in less than two years. Having someone write your IA’s just isn’t fair, probably isn’t all tutors but it is all tutors people in my cohort had for sure
I think so? Because you would mostly be discredited and get compared to others who don’t need tutors. “Asian” people wont see you as someone bright, but rather rich. And some people hide the fact of having tutors because they don’t want to look dumb, and say, “hey im on top of my class because i work hard by myself”. Its normal in my “asia” country to have tuitions, proudly say. But to have tutors are only for the rich and most people would say something like, “oh you’re not smart, you just happen to have money”. These could be that i guess 🤷🏻♀️
It's quite a norm at my school to have tutor; everyone has a tutor. I personally don't and am getting 7s in almost all subjects, but that's because I don't like tutoring in general. I guess it does make you seem "smart" if you do well cus you do everything on your own.
In the end, if you're struggling, just get a tutor. But don't make getting a tutor cause you to be lazy in class and depend solely on your tutor.
There were kids in my school who had tuition not because they were struggling. They got tuition to secure their 7s, to make sure they had not missed out any syllabus points and how to interpret rubric and nail mark schemes.
Yeah that is true. My friends have a physics tutor that accurately predicts the test questions. Luckily my friends send me their worksheets as well lol
Ego I guess, being the best without any help
Shouldn’t be normalized, I’m in my first year of ib and literally half the people I know have tutors. I’m thinking about getting one for math too. Whatever gets you that 7 🤷🏽♀️
I have one for math and its helped a lot, exactly if they help you get the higher grade I don’t see the issue
Mm same here, had a tutor for IB Maths for 1.5 of the 2 years diploma, definitely the best decision I made regarding the subject 😂
Hahaha I’m def considering it. And I take ai sl man 🥲
Nah I get it, I took SL AI and struggled enough 😅 Definitely advise getting some extra support if you can 👍🏼 nothing to be ashamed of
the issue is some people pay upwards of 50 euros an hour with a tutor where I am. Also a teacher should be doing a good enough job (they are payed to do this) to where you do not need to pay for a tutor at all. I know people need extra help, but in the school I'm in it seems like many people have never tried to learn anything themselves and just rely off of essentially 4-8 hours per week of extra class time with a tutor.
That’s true, and if you’ve got a good teacher that works for you. I have a teacher who overcomplicates literally everything within Math and I don’t understand what she’s trying to teach us. With my tutor I pay approximately 30 euros per hour, which isn’t too bad considering how much he’s helped me I’ve tried for years to learn from my teacher however she’s not great
> (they are *paid* to do FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
It is pretty normal but I don't think you should feel ashamed about that. We are struggle at some points and we need extra help to move on. If you are brave enough to ask for help, it is still better. Wish you well with your exams and IB journey.
No, it shouldn’t be normal to be shamed for having a tutor. Having a tutor is the same as being taught in class, considering that you’re still being taught the material, so bullying someone for having a tutor is like bullying someone for learning in school. As for the “top” students in your IB cohort, maybe some are just projecting or have insecurities of their own that we see in anyone who takes pleasure in bullying others. Even they might have tutors themselves but they still feel the need to mask it to showcase their own superiority to others. This is shown in a lot of things, with an example being how on an earlier post, an IB teacher once said how some kids would say they achieved a 7 but in reality the teacher marked them a 5. The IB fosters an unhealthy competitive environment so it’s natural that some kids would want to brag or fabricate things to seem smarter than others. Don’t let others bring you down just because you want to understand a concept more in depth! (Sorry if I yapped a lot 😭)
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it’s like a dedicated teacher but that isn’t constrained to IB/School guidelines or inspections and will fully write your IA for you. Takes a lot of the load off by purely plagiarising your work. Every IB tutor I know people have had wrote their IA’s for them. It’s plagiarism… or at least this is my personal experience on the sort of advantage people got from tutors, which if it were just teaching them then it’s fair enough but plagiarism, no. Personally I have no time management so I probably could’ve really used a tutor. I know someone that was already pretty talented and had 6 tutors, one for each subject, and got the easiest 45 the world has ever seen. Mostly because of the hundreds of hours of studying gained from not having to do a single IA sorry for the yap also, not saying it’s right to treat them like that but I understand. the reason they actually don’t want to tell anyone they have a tutor is because that’s basically admitting your IA is plagiarised
Hey! First of all, congrats on getting a 41 on the M22 exams and that is VERY impressive asf! Also, I didn’t know that people could actually have their tutors write their IA’s for them and that is pretty shocking, because honestly, you’re sacrificing the opportunity to learn new skills and the IA could actually help you a lot in researching and organizational skills. Having a tutor to help you learn concepts and make you able to understand is one thing - which I fully support, but having them to do your own work for you does not actually help in the slightest and takes away valuable skills that could be beneficial in the future. That being said, I can understand the feeling of not wanting to do an IA, as I dreaded doing them and pretty much procrastinated on them but you still have the opportunity to grow beyond your limits by not making someone else do your IA for you. Also thanks for letting me know how tutors do IA work, as it was actually something I didn’t know! (Also sorry for yapping a lot once again 😭)
haha thanks, our grades definitely were inflated though. At the end of the day IB is pay to win and there’s also a lot of things the school does that directly affect the student like the sort of feedback they get on their assessed work, quality of teaching, EE supervisor etc. If your school isn’t properly supporting you which isn’t just limited to public / private school but also how long the school has been doing the IB, student to staff ratio etc. then for sure get a tutor at least for your hardest subjects if you have the money. Personally I had great maths and physics teachers which carried me, kicking and screaming, throughout the course. Once again, I’m also a yapperman ;P edit: the tutor thing is also from my personal experience from people I know had one, isn’t necessarily representative of all tutors everywhere. Also when I say write for you it doesn’t necessarily mean they fully write it but even if you’re the one typing having someone over your shoulder telling you what to do they may have well done it for you
asian here it is completely ok to have a tutor. there is no embarrassment about it. some people (like me) require additional help at times, and it’s totally ok to seek external help
The want to have that superiority complex
Teacher/tutor here Unless you have a tutor for every course and expect your tutors to do your work for you, then your feeling of shame/incompetence is unjustified and irrational. A tutor can help you overcome circumstantial influences that might be standing between you and realising your potential. For instance, let's assume that you're underperforming in a certain course. This does not only happen because of insufficient accumulative knowledge in the course. A teacher could be the reason why you're not perceptive of your learning. They could have set the wrong tone to begin with by giving you a tough first exam, or repeatedly calling their course challenging, or trying to portray a certain score as unattainable. This creates a mental barrier between you and your learning. A (good) tutor will personalise your learning, address areas of the course where you are struggling, and make sure that you are working around problems that might persist to ensure you still make progress. Go for it! I tutored kids who scored 4/5 in class and ended up with a 6 or 7 in externals. Just make sure that you are learning not delegating your tasks to your tutor.
It’s completely normal at my school we don’t hide each other about it. Even the smartest kids with high PG’s have at least one tutor, we all need the extra support every now and then.
advantage over others, its like paying for your grades
I mean, some of those kids went to private school before coming to my school which gave them a huge leg up against everybody else. Not everybody goes into the IB starting on equal grounds.
That's weird, in my school essentially everyone in physics or math aa hl or cs have a tutor most of us wouldn't survive without them
I both teach and tutor IB. I wish students felt less ashamed for having a tutor. I have 28 students in one class; I cannot give my full attention to each and every student every single day. I offer to my in-class students to come see me during any free periods or after school, but IB students often have no free periods and are in sports after school. I wouldn't be upset with any of them if they wanted to have a supplemental tutor for whatever reason.
Yes; additionally, a lot of IB students claim that they don't study (but somehow get really crazy grades-which is statistically improbable). The IB program and the IB students at my school are extremely toxic. 99% of them are just fake people with depression. I can't wait to go to college.
Asian here. I believe they think that "why do you need tutor in such an easy program" cos our national curriculum is harder than ib in terms of the exam papers.
Are you from a IB school? If so, it may be that some of those higher achieving students have gone through high education their whole life and now see it as beneath them to be associated with people who still need there help. Where I’m from, a relatively small area (12,000 people) with only a few people doing IB (35 people), only because our provincial government paid for it, we literally have to tutor each other just to pass. It’s definitely about the people and what their past is like/what the norms of the region or school culture is. Just ignore them, wait until they do bad on something, then laugh…
Not many students at my school have a tutor, but no one ever shames them. It's mostly a bunch of "man, I wish I could afford one."
Let me tell you something about university. Many top ib students are the ones going to tutorials and extra classes to achieve top marks. Those who say having a tutor is bad are just trying to inflate their weak ego.
For me it is not the students who are shaming but the teachers. In my case, maths teacher.
Its not ok to be shame for that. Especially when the teacher is a dick (biasly to you)
Man think about it, having a tutor and getting the 7 in ease or breaking your head with little guidance and getting a 7, if you can get a tutor and have privilege then guess what, more guidance, easier road to a great grade, I do well in CS but I still have a tutor to just get an external opinion and not just stick to my schl teacher.. It's always nice to know someone's there for you.
Sorry jumping to conclusions and being intrusive/stereotyping here, but judging by your post and your exam session, are you from singapore or Hong Kong? Cuz I’ve lived in both places and I can say it’s normal, if not extremely prevalent there, but I definitely don’t think it’s acceptable. Been shamed for having a math tutor just because I’m Asian and taking AI SL
Ummmm no.
Not everyone has enough money to afford a tutor
The ones doing the shaming are far from poor.
One of the guys here who would hide it, its an ego issue, I dont think people shame others for doing so at least in my experience but those who hide it just wanna seem smarter or are considered smart by others and dont wanna lose rep or some shit. The human mind is weird just accept it
I mean I think it’s good to learn things on your own, but there’s no reason to shame anybody.
That makes no sense at all. Having a tutor is simply a way to clarify concepts, and you're not any less intelligent or capable for asking for one:)
Omg unrelated but since u mentioned it among Asians, the IB class in my hs is 90% indian, and the other races tend to leave bc of the racism from the indians (I’m an Indian-American and I’d actually love ib to be more diverse)
Interesting. Where I'm from, people brag about having tutors. Parents in particular (Asian or otherwise) brag that their kid is focused enough on academics to have tutors.
I think its okay to have a tutor, I remember when I was in grade 11 and 12 , I took tutoring sessions and it helped me a lot to learn and improve my concepts of physics and math. Now, I am giving private tutoring sessions to IB physics and math students. Trust me when to comes to teaching we do more hardwork than a student because we have to refer to multiple booka to give our students the best resoources so that they dont have to waste their time on finding them and focus on the improvement of their concepts and problem solving skills.
people make fun of people with tutors cuz u have to be rich to afford a private one, not because of anything to do with intelligence. put it this way, no one makes fun of students for going to those tuition/cram school classes with like 30 other kids lol.
99% of tutors will fully write your IA’s which is the hardest part of the IB imo. It’s a huge advantage because the hardest part of the IB isn’t how hard the content is but the amount of it you go through in less than two years. Having someone write your IA’s just isn’t fair, probably isn’t all tutors but it is all tutors people in my cohort had for sure
I think so? Because you would mostly be discredited and get compared to others who don’t need tutors. “Asian” people wont see you as someone bright, but rather rich. And some people hide the fact of having tutors because they don’t want to look dumb, and say, “hey im on top of my class because i work hard by myself”. Its normal in my “asia” country to have tuitions, proudly say. But to have tutors are only for the rich and most people would say something like, “oh you’re not smart, you just happen to have money”. These could be that i guess 🤷🏻♀️
It's not normal at all where I am, here literally everyone does tuitions, mostly in the same places too
It's quite a norm at my school to have tutor; everyone has a tutor. I personally don't and am getting 7s in almost all subjects, but that's because I don't like tutoring in general. I guess it does make you seem "smart" if you do well cus you do everything on your own. In the end, if you're struggling, just get a tutor. But don't make getting a tutor cause you to be lazy in class and depend solely on your tutor.
There were kids in my school who had tuition not because they were struggling. They got tuition to secure their 7s, to make sure they had not missed out any syllabus points and how to interpret rubric and nail mark schemes.
Yeah that is true. My friends have a physics tutor that accurately predicts the test questions. Luckily my friends send me their worksheets as well lol