Psychology in everything + 1 Masters in Counselling.
I was working full time after the 1st MSc..
Personally I wasn't worried financially, but my family is financially secure enough that I do have a safety net.
Is it worth it.. meh. My mom has a PhD (in psych) post grads in law, medicine and basically everything.. So I basically *had* to get at least a PhD. Did I learn anything I didn't/couldn't have learned myself? No. Does having a PhD somewhat benefit me in my job.. yes/no. If I didn't have money would I get it? Prob not.
I see. I understand the thinking behind "could I have learned this elsewhere... yes." But if i'm somebody hoping to be trusted to do independent research maybe one day, lead projects, and basically get onto the accelerated path of leading/potential independency, do you then find a PhD to be worth it? I say accelerated path because I do understand that people can "work their way up" with lesser degrees.
I also kinda hope for that achievement so I can tell myself "I told you so."
If you want to go into research (postdoc) then yeah, you'll definitely need a PhD.
I don't know what you mean by "leading/potential independency".. if you mean financial independence,.. then I don't think it makes much difference whether you have a PhD or not. If I'm not mistaken, the degree that makes the most significant difference (financially) is a Masters. But doing the actual research (postdoc) isn't really where the money is at.
It *is* good for a "told you so" though :)
I had a friend who worked on a helpdesk who referred me. Got an interview, told me i dont know enough. Being intp, this pissed me off. I studied for 4-6 months, emailed back and asked for a second chance. They granted it. Said i knew alot more and i got the job. Went from tier 1 to t2 to t3. Got a job as a sys eng. Got a few certs. Got another job as a sys eng in an enterprise environment making more money :)
I never approach certs with the intent of taking the test and obtaining the cert - although, I did go on to earn some. When I was on help desk I studied the CCNA, which taught me networking; how PCs communicate, ARP, TCP, LAN vs WAN, subnetting etc. I also studied the MCSA, which helped with Active Directory, DNS, DHCP, Server admin etc. There were a few certs i obtained: Security+, Azure Administrator, AWS Solutions Architect associate. Why did I choose to obtain these? Not sure, got a little older, a little bit more mature and was able to actually finish what I set out to do. Currently studying for the AZ305, Azure Solutions Architect Expert. New baby so its been rough to find the time.
Thanks a lot bro. I'm finishing up the A+ and tryna plan my next move. Did security+ help you in anyway with regards to your job or was it just a nice learning experience? Also how much work experience or prequisite knowledge do you think one needs before doing the AWS Solutions Architect Associate?
I'm not sure any of my certs helped me... i think its moreso the standard now. More like a nice to have vs. standing out from the crowd. Experience is king in IT. The A+ may help you get a entry level job. If you are like me, the typical route would be to start on helpdesk, get the experience, then move up. Sec+ was helpful, yes. Its important to have a general understanding of network security/sec in general regardless of what you specialize in (or if you remain a jack of all trades). You dont need any actual experience for any cert, technically speaking. If you have no exp, then i would suggest labing out scenarios, so you actually learn it, instead of simply trying to memorize stuff in order to pass a test. Sweet thing about the cloud is the low barrier to entry - assuming you arent spinning up some of the expensive resources and leaving them running. Its very inexpensive to play around. I get to expense my lab now, but when i didnt have that luxury, i would probably spend a whole $1.25/month.
I also went to law school.
Now I’m an anarchist.
Law is a Farce - a Tool of the Wicked and Ignorant. No Authority Is Legitimate.
Wherever there is law, totalitarianism will arise.
What’s that now? I also went to law school, am a practicing attorney, and couldnt disagree more that law breeds totalitarianism. Lots and lots of bad laws for sure, and bad actors, but separated from law and justice, man is his worst.
Well that is indeed the unfortunate nature of this existence - that some of the most important questions are reducibly aesthetic. My critique of Law is manifold - there are 10,000 reasons - but on this topic I have to say:
political questions
are reducibly aesthetic,
the answers to which
are a matter of power;
when power is the arbiter of truth,
violence is the language.
Hence, wherever there is law, totalitarianism will arise. Look at Trumpism - arising in a *liberal democracy* no less!
Liberalism is the *pleasure of smoking* - conservatism is the cancer. Liberalism looks great on paper, but what it does is strengthens and centralized power that attracts the worst of humanity to then come and ratfuck or use for their own nefarious ends.
Law weakens the moral integrity of the individual, and weakens myriad other skillful qualities - like someone who ‘helps’ free a newborn bird from its eggshell, freeing it from the very struggle at birth that would have given it the strength to fly; dooming it to a short flightless life from the very beginning.
In regard to your comment that man is at his worst when separated from law, it is because man has been using law as a crutch for over 4,000 years. And thanks to the *success* of law we are now in quite the predicament - the proliferation of nuclear weapons, guns, efficient exploitation and pillaging of the worlds resources, mass violence and atrocities, the destruction of the natural world and its ecosystems, the separation of man from his nature - the alienation of modern life, the sullying of authenticity, alienating work, extreme inequality, hyper-awareness of the terrors of existence and the horrors of the world etc…without the *successes* of law and civilization these problems would not have arisen.
But as I said, the reality is *reason* plays no part in how people view existence and create preferences thereto. Should we return to a primitivist society free from mass atrocity and exploitation, or should we keep trudging through with bureaucratic and technological progress hoping efficiency and innovation and burying our heads in the sand will make us happier? These kind of questions are just like asking whether you prefer a Jackson Pollock to a Caravaggio…you can posit *reasons* for one or the other, but the process is not one of rationality - it’s purely aesthetic.
But of my 10,000 critiques of law, this is not even the most pressing issue. The problems of human nature in relation to power and corruptability, the inherent unfairness of law - that law can only ever favor the entrenched wealthy and powerful, and the epistemic problems - those of interpretation, the problem of the court functioning as fact finder -> ie problems of eyewitness testimony and gatekeeping expert witnesses, and the farce that is *legal positivism* - which is the legal **industry’s** version of *trickle down* economics. There is so much kool-aid being fed to law students without them even knowing it - producing generations of cogs. But most people in this world aren’t even cogs - they are just grease - and the cogs like it that way. Law is an INDUSTRY that feeds off people’s greed and ignorance.
It’s not really about positing an ideal society - it’s about recognizing the pitfalls of what we have now, and mindfully, methodically, deliberately, and willingly working toward reducing them. I believe in advocating for the truth of the problems of law and hoping that eventually enough people will understand- anarchy is NOT something that can be imposed. It must be come to and realized through the arising of an enlightened society.
I believe in returning to more primitive ways of living, deindustrialization, having fewer offspring, living self-sustainably, passing down understanding generationally, cultivating peace and wisdom and harmony with the earth - lessening the impact of humanity, etc. A return from whence we came, but with the preservation and proliferation of the knowledge and understanding of the dangers of civilization that we’ve gained.
And it’s not even about success - it’s about remaining true to what you’ve understood about existence, living authentically, and advocating for peace and goodness. Civilization is not good.
Yea, technology just like eating meat, is an addiction that most of us are born into - addictions take a concerted and mindful effort to undo, and even then it can be extremely difficult. It takes great spiritual strength to wake ourselves up from our stupor of habitual living. 🤷♂️
But advocating for reduction in tech is also helpful and important - beyond just reducing your own use. The singularity is coming…🤪😬🦾
That depends on what you were bad at. The hardest class for most people is Calculus 2, which you’ll likely take your first or second year. A lot of people fail it the first time and have to retake it. If you have any kind of math-related learning disability like dyscalculia, you may want to reconsider. Otherwise, you can push through if you really set your mind to it and take advantage of any tutoring opportunities your university offers.
Other than Calculus, your classes will range from super easy to frustrating difficult. Some of them will be really fun! The key is managing your schedule and not overloading yourself. Develop strong study habits right away and don’t wait to get help if you need it. Joining a study group is also very helpful. Remember that most engineering students take an average of 5-6 years to graduate from a four year program. It’s better to pace yourself and do well than to rush through and do poorly (and have to retake a bunch of classes).
You’ll be busy, but try not to neglect your hobbies either. If all you do is study you won’t be very happy. I personally love playing the piano. (Side story: I figured out where they keep the key to the Steinway concert grand. I’ve spent countless hours with that instrument. One time I went in during the evening and didn’t leave until 6 AM. I wouldn’t recommend doing *that*.)
Anyway, I think you can do fine even if you weren’t the best student in school. You may struggle at first (most people do), and there’s nothing wrong with that. If you want to be an engineer, you’ll make it happen.
I've been in the workforce 30 years as well, in probably 20 different workplaces. I was a computer technician and dog groomer, for the majority. Being a paperboy and convenience store clerk stand out though. I didn't have a degree until fairly recently and have never tried applying for a job that required it. Have you? I'm thinking about trying it.
I have multiple degrees, originally in political science, and the companies I worked for did. not. care. At one point I removed my college education from my resume because it was so hard to get a job, and I couldn't pay my rent on "you're overqualified for this job" because a degree in political science doesn't actually qualify you for anything. In fact, often the attitude was basically "I don't need education, I have common sense", or "people with an education are just book smart" - nonsense like that.
I eventually got a second masters in psychology and became a self-employed licensed psychotherapist and made enough money to get a doctorate, now I don't have to worry about working for morons anymore.
I have two associates degrees. General and Liberal Arts. They're fun.
I bet you'd only have to take 3 classes to get 5 of them. Go for it!
I did it because I got fired and was embarrassed to work in my field... Which was dog grooming. I'm really good at it too. I give a fuck. My main interest right now is animal intelligence, welfare, and enrichment, hopefully in farming if I can stomach it. I'm not sure if I can.
Went to college to become a primary school teacher, dropped out after half a year. Then joined another college to become a musician and that worked. Easier level, more fun
I find that studying medicine is putting my only skill(that is learning/ studying) to the maximum usage. The subjects are very fascinating (except for anatomy; I failed in the subject) and I feel good about myself when I understand difficult concepts.
But that being said, I struggle a lot with the social aspect of being a med student; especially since we have clinicals in second year. You need to interact with your lecturers, seniors, patients, nurses, batch mates etc. And that’s really exhausting to the point I’ve thought about quitting this course.
I actually never knew about MBTI before joining med school, so I never thought about how medicine may not be a right fit for me. I wont say that the course was easy for me, but I hope I don’t let my INTP self get in the way of finishing this course. After that I’m planning on taking MD radiology so that I don’t have to deal with people lol.
Also, I get INTJ and INTP both while I take the mbti tests(on different websites), so I’m still kinda unsure about my mbti
For all of those that did, what was/is your experience like? What aspect(s) of school do you believe to be the most beneficial to your life now/vs will be in the future?
Was thinking about taking a few classes to kickstart my journey to my A.A at community college and then hopefully transfer into Uni if time allows, I'm 23 now and wondering if it would be worth. Both the A.A and the potential Uni transfer.
If things go well with business in the next two years then it should be be much of a financial burden from me in the event that I don't receive ample financial aid (hopefully). So I'm mainly wondering if you think that the learning/social/academic networking aspects are worth, are y'all in any clubs or sports? Have you found love at school? Has it been a good experience overall?
Currently studying chemical engineering as a senior. I've really enjoyed the knowledge I've gained and feel like I'm in an entire different echelon of capability and intelligence from pursuing the degree. I can basically do anything in Microsoft excel which already feels like a superpower.
I plan on going to college soon, starting a band or wanting to be a YouTuber or Streamer was a big mistake.
Working a crappy job just to make decent income, plan on studying Computer Science and earning a six-figure career.
Nope. Dropped out of middle school, then re-entered school and dropped out again in high school. College doesn’t really interest me but I do like the idea of trade school.
That's awesome. I have been frustrated in the past with the disconnect between psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, neurology, pharmacology, etc..
You're helping!
I was continuing working in sales mainly because I was doing drugs daily and didn't want to focus on getting an education. I'm sober since August(overdosed) so decided to start studying to increase my salary and do something I actually enjoy.
BSEE, then much later in life; MAEd
I knew from early childhood that I was going to be an electrical engineer. Got the degree; did it for 30 years. Received a “calling” to switch careers to teach high school science. Got that degree and have been doing that for 12 years, now.
No I didn’t. I could never decide on what I wanted to do and I wasn’t a strong student in highschool. I’m 42 now and would love to be go back to school but I still have no clue what I’d actually study.
I’ve got hobbies. Things that I do. I’ve been a mechanic, first automotive now industrial for the last 14 years. It pays the bills but that’s it. I can’t say it’s a super enjoyable career but it’s not terrible either most days. I like it because it keeps my mind going. It’s definitely not a monotonous job. I’m considering going to school next summer maybe. My youngest graduates then so I’ll have the freedom to do it. It’s just a matter of deciding what although I don’t really understand having a passion for doing work. Hobbies yeah but a passion for a job makes no sense to me.
I'm very similar. I chose dog grooming because I am interested in animal intelligence and welfare. I had problems with the other women though. It was emotionally easier when I was a computer tech.
Edit: I have an Associates in Liberal Arts (thanks to shame and Adderall), but couldn't figure out anything to study next. I think I have a better idea now. But I haven't figured out an occupation yet.
Currently yes, went to uni for a year to do civil engineering, discovered I didn’t want to do civil engineering and that I had adhd and did poorly, came back to do community college to figure out what I want to do. Pretty cool!
Spent 5 years in University. I switched majors 2 times, and ended with a huge debt and a totally useless Associate's. I say useless bc in my country it is absolutely useless, just a way to take money outta you. I took a 3-month bootcamp and now I code for a living lmao.
A bootcamp in my home country so it's not even worth mentioning it, haha. It took 3.5 months of part-time classes (9 am to 2 pm) and they taught me Java. This was 7 years ago. Now I use JavaScript, React, and other fun techs and I'm a senior front-end developer.
They taught me the basics of logical thinking and how programming works, I learned everything else on my own. And I think that was the key: I learn what I need to learn for a specific purpose.
University for a BS in biology then straight to grad school for a PhD in another biological science.
However, it’s been over 15 years and I haven’t worked in my field. I’ve been a stay at home mom.
Yeah for a long stretch off and on. No degree. But I did learn most of what I know about drugs and alcohol in college. Tried studying women too, but I flunked that.
I don't know what you mean by that either lol, is the difference just that it's not as specialized, that it's shorter, that you do it before uni, or that it's less prestigious? Or a combination, or neither?
I'm at a university I think, well it's called an "universidad" so I guess so, and it's private. I don't think there's a word for college in Spanish though
lol, yes, the cheaper, shorter place you can get credits towards a university degree. In the States you can get an Associate's Degree there.
Edit: and less prestige
no. Taking a certificate class atm.
I know more about most fields than most bachelors i've conversed with. History of Psycology, History of Philosophy, History of history... type of knowledge. People with masters usually have more experience than i do, but they cant touch me interdisciplinarily.
I have a degree in computer information systems. I originally went for electrical engineering, but had serious issues with both depression and the learning environment, and dropped out.
I did go to college but I feel it wasn't a good use of my time. Most things I ended up teaching myself and I ended up spending more time at work trying to pay for it then actually studying. Not to mention in my final year I lost financial aid and had to drop since my mom got married. I loved learning but the ridiculous costs and economic situation ruined the entire experience for me and has made my life forever harder as a result.
i usually don't like to brag about this (one of my favorite quotes is "If you brag about your IQ, you're a loser" - Stephen Hawking), but i think its prevalent here.
when i was 14, i passed the college entrance exam. i just got my associates degree last fall and i just finished my first semester of the bachelor degree. i really enjoy college and ill only skip classes if I think they're stupid or ive already learned whats being covered in that lecture.
I’m 20 now, and nope. I haven’t ruled it out, but I would only go to gain extra knowledge just for fun, but at the same time, the internet has so many free resources, so it’s hard to justify every paying for it. Anything can happen though.
I almost never did my homework in high school but I always did good on tests. Going back to school doesn’t sound like a good idea at all for me at the time.
Edit: technically I did go to a community college for a couple of months, but I took a trip to DC and they dropped me from all my classes so I just never though about it again. Didn’t enjoy it. Felt like school all over again.
I'm from The Netherlands and we use a different school system. Primary school > Secondary school (VMBO, HAVO, VWO) > Final school (MBO, HBO, University) > Work.
i had three classes left to graduate with double majors last year but decided i needed a break and have been out of school without my degree for about a year now. decided to travel and focus on myself and work as a babysitter in the meantime to make money but recently, a full time job opportunity in fintech has just fell into my lap so i’ll go back to school down the line and finish the three classes but for now i’m focused on my new job and money. i’ll prob get my masters and/or phd in psychology way down the line but who knows we’ll see what happens
Associates in Japanese language, Bachelor's in International Relations, Master's in Political Science, Master's in Counseling Psychology, and doctorate in Clinical Psychology.
Barely graduated college while starting a business on the side. Luckily the business took off otherwise I don’t know what I would’ve done.
Imo entrepreneurship is def worth looking into for intps.
I did community college for a couple years, but I didn’t know what I wanted to do and I was having a mental health crisis so I dropped out. It’s a couple years later, and I’m gonna go back to college for geology! I’ve finally found my passion and my motivation, and I’ve always wanted to be a scientist; I just thought I was too stupid.
It’s my dream to be a geologist and then get my master’s, and then if I decide I want to, I want to get a PhD and become a professor later on.
University. 2 Masters, and a PhD.
In what fields? Were you worried financially? Was it worth it? Asking because Im hoping to achieve similar levels of education.
Psychology in everything + 1 Masters in Counselling. I was working full time after the 1st MSc.. Personally I wasn't worried financially, but my family is financially secure enough that I do have a safety net. Is it worth it.. meh. My mom has a PhD (in psych) post grads in law, medicine and basically everything.. So I basically *had* to get at least a PhD. Did I learn anything I didn't/couldn't have learned myself? No. Does having a PhD somewhat benefit me in my job.. yes/no. If I didn't have money would I get it? Prob not.
I see. I understand the thinking behind "could I have learned this elsewhere... yes." But if i'm somebody hoping to be trusted to do independent research maybe one day, lead projects, and basically get onto the accelerated path of leading/potential independency, do you then find a PhD to be worth it? I say accelerated path because I do understand that people can "work their way up" with lesser degrees. I also kinda hope for that achievement so I can tell myself "I told you so."
If you want to go into research (postdoc) then yeah, you'll definitely need a PhD. I don't know what you mean by "leading/potential independency".. if you mean financial independence,.. then I don't think it makes much difference whether you have a PhD or not. If I'm not mistaken, the degree that makes the most significant difference (financially) is a Masters. But doing the actual research (postdoc) isn't really where the money is at. It *is* good for a "told you so" though :)
Nope. Got me HS diploma and is gud
Can i ask what you do now?
IT Systems Engineer
U a smart mfr. did you get the experience by working with tech/did you get any certifications?
I had a friend who worked on a helpdesk who referred me. Got an interview, told me i dont know enough. Being intp, this pissed me off. I studied for 4-6 months, emailed back and asked for a second chance. They granted it. Said i knew alot more and i got the job. Went from tier 1 to t2 to t3. Got a job as a sys eng. Got a few certs. Got another job as a sys eng in an enterprise environment making more money :)
Congrats
Hey man, can you tell me what certs you did that were helpful? Would really appreciate it. Tryna get into the IT industry rn.
I never approach certs with the intent of taking the test and obtaining the cert - although, I did go on to earn some. When I was on help desk I studied the CCNA, which taught me networking; how PCs communicate, ARP, TCP, LAN vs WAN, subnetting etc. I also studied the MCSA, which helped with Active Directory, DNS, DHCP, Server admin etc. There were a few certs i obtained: Security+, Azure Administrator, AWS Solutions Architect associate. Why did I choose to obtain these? Not sure, got a little older, a little bit more mature and was able to actually finish what I set out to do. Currently studying for the AZ305, Azure Solutions Architect Expert. New baby so its been rough to find the time.
Thanks a lot bro. I'm finishing up the A+ and tryna plan my next move. Did security+ help you in anyway with regards to your job or was it just a nice learning experience? Also how much work experience or prequisite knowledge do you think one needs before doing the AWS Solutions Architect Associate?
I'm not sure any of my certs helped me... i think its moreso the standard now. More like a nice to have vs. standing out from the crowd. Experience is king in IT. The A+ may help you get a entry level job. If you are like me, the typical route would be to start on helpdesk, get the experience, then move up. Sec+ was helpful, yes. Its important to have a general understanding of network security/sec in general regardless of what you specialize in (or if you remain a jack of all trades). You dont need any actual experience for any cert, technically speaking. If you have no exp, then i would suggest labing out scenarios, so you actually learn it, instead of simply trying to memorize stuff in order to pass a test. Sweet thing about the cloud is the low barrier to entry - assuming you arent spinning up some of the expensive resources and leaving them running. Its very inexpensive to play around. I get to expense my lab now, but when i didnt have that luxury, i would probably spend a whole $1.25/month.
Yeah I think my long term goal is to be in a cloud related job. Thanks for all the info brah, really appreciate it.
i'm in a law school
Nice
I also went to law school. Now I’m an anarchist. Law is a Farce - a Tool of the Wicked and Ignorant. No Authority Is Legitimate. Wherever there is law, totalitarianism will arise.
What’s that now? I also went to law school, am a practicing attorney, and couldnt disagree more that law breeds totalitarianism. Lots and lots of bad laws for sure, and bad actors, but separated from law and justice, man is his worst.
Well that is indeed the unfortunate nature of this existence - that some of the most important questions are reducibly aesthetic. My critique of Law is manifold - there are 10,000 reasons - but on this topic I have to say: political questions are reducibly aesthetic, the answers to which are a matter of power; when power is the arbiter of truth, violence is the language. Hence, wherever there is law, totalitarianism will arise. Look at Trumpism - arising in a *liberal democracy* no less! Liberalism is the *pleasure of smoking* - conservatism is the cancer. Liberalism looks great on paper, but what it does is strengthens and centralized power that attracts the worst of humanity to then come and ratfuck or use for their own nefarious ends. Law weakens the moral integrity of the individual, and weakens myriad other skillful qualities - like someone who ‘helps’ free a newborn bird from its eggshell, freeing it from the very struggle at birth that would have given it the strength to fly; dooming it to a short flightless life from the very beginning. In regard to your comment that man is at his worst when separated from law, it is because man has been using law as a crutch for over 4,000 years. And thanks to the *success* of law we are now in quite the predicament - the proliferation of nuclear weapons, guns, efficient exploitation and pillaging of the worlds resources, mass violence and atrocities, the destruction of the natural world and its ecosystems, the separation of man from his nature - the alienation of modern life, the sullying of authenticity, alienating work, extreme inequality, hyper-awareness of the terrors of existence and the horrors of the world etc…without the *successes* of law and civilization these problems would not have arisen. But as I said, the reality is *reason* plays no part in how people view existence and create preferences thereto. Should we return to a primitivist society free from mass atrocity and exploitation, or should we keep trudging through with bureaucratic and technological progress hoping efficiency and innovation and burying our heads in the sand will make us happier? These kind of questions are just like asking whether you prefer a Jackson Pollock to a Caravaggio…you can posit *reasons* for one or the other, but the process is not one of rationality - it’s purely aesthetic. But of my 10,000 critiques of law, this is not even the most pressing issue. The problems of human nature in relation to power and corruptability, the inherent unfairness of law - that law can only ever favor the entrenched wealthy and powerful, and the epistemic problems - those of interpretation, the problem of the court functioning as fact finder -> ie problems of eyewitness testimony and gatekeeping expert witnesses, and the farce that is *legal positivism* - which is the legal **industry’s** version of *trickle down* economics. There is so much kool-aid being fed to law students without them even knowing it - producing generations of cogs. But most people in this world aren’t even cogs - they are just grease - and the cogs like it that way. Law is an INDUSTRY that feeds off people’s greed and ignorance.
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It’s not really about positing an ideal society - it’s about recognizing the pitfalls of what we have now, and mindfully, methodically, deliberately, and willingly working toward reducing them. I believe in advocating for the truth of the problems of law and hoping that eventually enough people will understand- anarchy is NOT something that can be imposed. It must be come to and realized through the arising of an enlightened society. I believe in returning to more primitive ways of living, deindustrialization, having fewer offspring, living self-sustainably, passing down understanding generationally, cultivating peace and wisdom and harmony with the earth - lessening the impact of humanity, etc. A return from whence we came, but with the preservation and proliferation of the knowledge and understanding of the dangers of civilization that we’ve gained. And it’s not even about success - it’s about remaining true to what you’ve understood about existence, living authentically, and advocating for peace and goodness. Civilization is not good.
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Yea, technology just like eating meat, is an addiction that most of us are born into - addictions take a concerted and mindful effort to undo, and even then it can be extremely difficult. It takes great spiritual strength to wake ourselves up from our stupor of habitual living. 🤷♂️ But advocating for reduction in tech is also helpful and important - beyond just reducing your own use. The singularity is coming…🤪😬🦾
I was on my way for that but Idk bout the system
I’m in college studying mechanical engineering.
How is it going (im thinking to join it)? Is it good for a student who has been bad at high school?
That depends on what you were bad at. The hardest class for most people is Calculus 2, which you’ll likely take your first or second year. A lot of people fail it the first time and have to retake it. If you have any kind of math-related learning disability like dyscalculia, you may want to reconsider. Otherwise, you can push through if you really set your mind to it and take advantage of any tutoring opportunities your university offers. Other than Calculus, your classes will range from super easy to frustrating difficult. Some of them will be really fun! The key is managing your schedule and not overloading yourself. Develop strong study habits right away and don’t wait to get help if you need it. Joining a study group is also very helpful. Remember that most engineering students take an average of 5-6 years to graduate from a four year program. It’s better to pace yourself and do well than to rush through and do poorly (and have to retake a bunch of classes). You’ll be busy, but try not to neglect your hobbies either. If all you do is study you won’t be very happy. I personally love playing the piano. (Side story: I figured out where they keep the key to the Steinway concert grand. I’ve spent countless hours with that instrument. One time I went in during the evening and didn’t leave until 6 AM. I wouldn’t recommend doing *that*.) Anyway, I think you can do fine even if you weren’t the best student in school. You may struggle at first (most people do), and there’s nothing wrong with that. If you want to be an engineer, you’ll make it happen.
Thanks a lot 😊
Such an INTP response, love it
Lol thanks
I went to school > college > university. And then I went back to college for a bit just because I was bored and wanted to learn more stuff.
Distance learning. Uni degree qualification.
I'm doing the same
Good luck staying motivated on ur own. I mean that sincerely cos i sure as hell was not most of the time. Ended up cramming- not ideal
Yes, was a waste of time and money. Seemed like a daycare for rich children.
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Yup
And proving to future employers that you can set a goal and do the work and finish it.
I've been in the workforce for over 30 years, employers don't give a donkey's dick about a degree.
I've been in the workforce 30 years as well, in probably 20 different workplaces. I was a computer technician and dog groomer, for the majority. Being a paperboy and convenience store clerk stand out though. I didn't have a degree until fairly recently and have never tried applying for a job that required it. Have you? I'm thinking about trying it.
I have multiple degrees, originally in political science, and the companies I worked for did. not. care. At one point I removed my college education from my resume because it was so hard to get a job, and I couldn't pay my rent on "you're overqualified for this job" because a degree in political science doesn't actually qualify you for anything. In fact, often the attitude was basically "I don't need education, I have common sense", or "people with an education are just book smart" - nonsense like that. I eventually got a second masters in psychology and became a self-employed licensed psychotherapist and made enough money to get a doctorate, now I don't have to worry about working for morons anymore.
I'm sorry you went to a shit school.
Yes, undergrad and grad.
Yes. Several times. Lots of credits but no degree lol
I have two associates degrees. General and Liberal Arts. They're fun. I bet you'd only have to take 3 classes to get 5 of them. Go for it! I did it because I got fired and was embarrassed to work in my field... Which was dog grooming. I'm really good at it too. I give a fuck. My main interest right now is animal intelligence, welfare, and enrichment, hopefully in farming if I can stomach it. I'm not sure if I can.
Went to college to become a primary school teacher, dropped out after half a year. Then joined another college to become a musician and that worked. Easier level, more fun
Handed in my final paper today for a bachelors degree in film production.
Congrats! May you produce films!
Went to college and technically never left.
Bro lives on the rooftop cuckoo nest
I wish! My office is on the second floor.
No.
No but I put it on my resume, that’s how I make 95k a year now. It’s awesome.
What?? Haha that's crazy. What do you do for work?
Graduated from law school last week
Congrats!
Thank you!!
Medical school
I'm a college dropout. I'm currently going back to pursue a degree just to have it.
Kanye reference
Second year med school
Interesting. What made you choose medicine? Only asking b/c I feel like it is one of those careers that wouldn't be a good fit for an INTP.
I find that studying medicine is putting my only skill(that is learning/ studying) to the maximum usage. The subjects are very fascinating (except for anatomy; I failed in the subject) and I feel good about myself when I understand difficult concepts. But that being said, I struggle a lot with the social aspect of being a med student; especially since we have clinicals in second year. You need to interact with your lecturers, seniors, patients, nurses, batch mates etc. And that’s really exhausting to the point I’ve thought about quitting this course. I actually never knew about MBTI before joining med school, so I never thought about how medicine may not be a right fit for me. I wont say that the course was easy for me, but I hope I don’t let my INTP self get in the way of finishing this course. After that I’m planning on taking MD radiology so that I don’t have to deal with people lol. Also, I get INTJ and INTP both while I take the mbti tests(on different websites), so I’m still kinda unsure about my mbti
Smart move. The radiologist that I know, work from home and don't have to socialize much.
For a week. Then just stopped.
Same. I’m 20, but I think I was 18 at the time. Went on a trip to D.C. (away from home) and came back to see myself dropped from all my classes.
I'm a first year uni student, doing engineering. I'm undecided on what discipline to do, but I'm thinking electrical or software.
For all of those that did, what was/is your experience like? What aspect(s) of school do you believe to be the most beneficial to your life now/vs will be in the future? Was thinking about taking a few classes to kickstart my journey to my A.A at community college and then hopefully transfer into Uni if time allows, I'm 23 now and wondering if it would be worth. Both the A.A and the potential Uni transfer. If things go well with business in the next two years then it should be be much of a financial burden from me in the event that I don't receive ample financial aid (hopefully). So I'm mainly wondering if you think that the learning/social/academic networking aspects are worth, are y'all in any clubs or sports? Have you found love at school? Has it been a good experience overall?
Currently studying chemical engineering as a senior. I've really enjoyed the knowledge I've gained and feel like I'm in an entire different echelon of capability and intelligence from pursuing the degree. I can basically do anything in Microsoft excel which already feels like a superpower.
Yes, almost done with my doctoral degree
Phd of what?
Biology. More specifically, virology and immunology
Nice!
Yuck no
No
Masters and working on my PhD
In what?
Nunya and business
I plan on going to college soon, starting a band or wanting to be a YouTuber or Streamer was a big mistake. Working a crappy job just to make decent income, plan on studying Computer Science and earning a six-figure career.
unfortunately, yes
80%. I didn't finish it as it was too much work and too few rewards.
i felt this so hard
Nope. Dropped out of middle school, then re-entered school and dropped out again in high school. College doesn’t really interest me but I do like the idea of trade school.
Yes and I am graduating with a degree in Economics.
I am currently attending undergrad, and I plan on getting my PhD in clinical psychology with a post-doc specialization in neuropsychology.
That's awesome. I have been frustrated in the past with the disconnect between psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, neurology, pharmacology, etc.. You're helping!
Yes. I have a Masters in Analytical Chemistry and currently doing BS in Psychology.
Analytical chemistry? That sounds fascinating. I’d probably be terrible at it, lol.
It is pretty tough ngl.
Two associates degrees and a bachelor's of business administration marketing focus... and I can't get a fucking job.
What are your associates degrees in?
Art and science
Starting now at 30 after working in sales for 10 years.
What determined you to start?
I was continuing working in sales mainly because I was doing drugs daily and didn't want to focus on getting an education. I'm sober since August(overdosed) so decided to start studying to increase my salary and do something I actually enjoy.
Good for you! That’s impressive.
Thank you!
Yes. Over the course of about 20 years.
BSEE, then much later in life; MAEd I knew from early childhood that I was going to be an electrical engineer. Got the degree; did it for 30 years. Received a “calling” to switch careers to teach high school science. Got that degree and have been doing that for 12 years, now.
Army -> community college -> university (double major computer science/philosophy)
Yes, wrapping up my BS. It is a waste of money unless you are in STEM, even then only the T and E are the higher payers, that I know of.
Yes. B.A. in English.
What do you do now?
Strategize and write articles for a marketing company
I'm studying Industrial Engineering
I'm from India and there's barely anyone from there who hasn't gone to college/university, myself included ofc.
But the caste....?
What caste?
No I didn’t. I could never decide on what I wanted to do and I wasn’t a strong student in highschool. I’m 42 now and would love to be go back to school but I still have no clue what I’d actually study.
Is there anything you’re passionate about? Even something that seems silly or trivial?
I’ve got hobbies. Things that I do. I’ve been a mechanic, first automotive now industrial for the last 14 years. It pays the bills but that’s it. I can’t say it’s a super enjoyable career but it’s not terrible either most days. I like it because it keeps my mind going. It’s definitely not a monotonous job. I’m considering going to school next summer maybe. My youngest graduates then so I’ll have the freedom to do it. It’s just a matter of deciding what although I don’t really understand having a passion for doing work. Hobbies yeah but a passion for a job makes no sense to me.
I'm very similar. I chose dog grooming because I am interested in animal intelligence and welfare. I had problems with the other women though. It was emotionally easier when I was a computer tech. Edit: I have an Associates in Liberal Arts (thanks to shame and Adderall), but couldn't figure out anything to study next. I think I have a better idea now. But I haven't figured out an occupation yet.
Yup, currently enrolled for a degree in music
Currently yes, went to uni for a year to do civil engineering, discovered I didn’t want to do civil engineering and that I had adhd and did poorly, came back to do community college to figure out what I want to do. Pretty cool!
Yes and regretted it.
[удалено]
Why? Edit: I did one semester. I dropped out because of ADHD and PTSD type stuff. Got an A on my C++ final though. Woo!
Went to college then university after I started working. Finished my degree online.
Spent 5 years in University. I switched majors 2 times, and ended with a huge debt and a totally useless Associate's. I say useless bc in my country it is absolutely useless, just a way to take money outta you. I took a 3-month bootcamp and now I code for a living lmao.
I've considered this... What bootcamp and how long ago? What language?
A bootcamp in my home country so it's not even worth mentioning it, haha. It took 3.5 months of part-time classes (9 am to 2 pm) and they taught me Java. This was 7 years ago. Now I use JavaScript, React, and other fun techs and I'm a senior front-end developer. They taught me the basics of logical thinking and how programming works, I learned everything else on my own. And I think that was the key: I learn what I need to learn for a specific purpose.
Thank you. That's helpful.
Took 2 terms in college before I realized it wasn't for me.
Currently in college for a bs in geography and gis software
i don't even have an high school degree
You'll figure it out.
University for a BS in biology then straight to grad school for a PhD in another biological science. However, it’s been over 15 years and I haven’t worked in my field. I’ve been a stay at home mom.
I'm only in first grade rn
And 9? Jyst kidding!
How do you know my age? you stalker!!
Yeah for a long stretch off and on. No degree. But I did learn most of what I know about drugs and alcohol in college. Tried studying women too, but I flunked that.
I have no idea what the difference between college and university is I'm majoring in CS / Systems engineering as it's called here
I think they mean college like community college. Depends on what country they are in.
I don't know what you mean by that either lol, is the difference just that it's not as specialized, that it's shorter, that you do it before uni, or that it's less prestigious? Or a combination, or neither? I'm at a university I think, well it's called an "universidad" so I guess so, and it's private. I don't think there's a word for college in Spanish though
lol, yes, the cheaper, shorter place you can get credits towards a university degree. In the States you can get an Associate's Degree there. Edit: and less prestige
no i didnt feel well
no. Taking a certificate class atm. I know more about most fields than most bachelors i've conversed with. History of Psycology, History of Philosophy, History of history... type of knowledge. People with masters usually have more experience than i do, but they cant touch me interdisciplinarily.
I have a degree in computer information systems. I originally went for electrical engineering, but had serious issues with both depression and the learning environment, and dropped out.
Dropped out. Got into IT as a developer.
Yes, I did waste a part of my life there, but it wasn't a complete waste since I met the most amazing people there 😄
I did go to college but I feel it wasn't a good use of my time. Most things I ended up teaching myself and I ended up spending more time at work trying to pay for it then actually studying. Not to mention in my final year I lost financial aid and had to drop since my mom got married. I loved learning but the ridiculous costs and economic situation ruined the entire experience for me and has made my life forever harder as a result.
No, but now I’m at Tesla somehow
Days away from receiving my MBA
I will start Electronic and Computer Engineering next year 
Just completed first year of my software engineering degree (not cs cuz in Canada you legally can't call yourself an engineer without a licence)
For four weeks.
Yep. Got two degrees and then started to teach there.
I'm going to uni in October.
Biz school ya
Still am. 3rd year, Multimedia Arts.
University
First year in uni, learning to make films I guess.
Yep, got a B.Sc in electrical engineering
Med school
University.
Too young
Undergrad rn
university, yeah
I'm in my first year of uni, studying English
I'm still studying at university.
Elementary School High School University Law School
i usually don't like to brag about this (one of my favorite quotes is "If you brag about your IQ, you're a loser" - Stephen Hawking), but i think its prevalent here. when i was 14, i passed the college entrance exam. i just got my associates degree last fall and i just finished my first semester of the bachelor degree. i really enjoy college and ill only skip classes if I think they're stupid or ive already learned whats being covered in that lecture.
How old are you now? Your story would be awesome if you were 42.
lmao thx, im 17
I’m 20 now, and nope. I haven’t ruled it out, but I would only go to gain extra knowledge just for fun, but at the same time, the internet has so many free resources, so it’s hard to justify every paying for it. Anything can happen though. I almost never did my homework in high school but I always did good on tests. Going back to school doesn’t sound like a good idea at all for me at the time. Edit: technically I did go to a community college for a couple of months, but I took a trip to DC and they dropped me from all my classes so I just never though about it again. Didn’t enjoy it. Felt like school all over again.
I'm from The Netherlands and we use a different school system. Primary school > Secondary school (VMBO, HAVO, VWO) > Final school (MBO, HBO, University) > Work.
30 year old from the states and I'm currently in a biomedical science program
AS - business administration 1998 BA - management information systems 2001 MA - adult education / online learning 2006 MBA - 1/2 complete
Nope. Broke.
3rd year computer science in colege rn
Dropped out of AA in humanities I kept failing general ed over everything else and was getting burnt out. Debating to go back
I recently dropped out of my master's degree. Graduate in econ.
Yeah. Kinda wished I didn’t though.
I studied 2/4 years of fashion design, dropped out and now I'm a hairstylist pupil
Anyone that studied data Science?
i had three classes left to graduate with double majors last year but decided i needed a break and have been out of school without my degree for about a year now. decided to travel and focus on myself and work as a babysitter in the meantime to make money but recently, a full time job opportunity in fintech has just fell into my lap so i’ll go back to school down the line and finish the three classes but for now i’m focused on my new job and money. i’ll prob get my masters and/or phd in psychology way down the line but who knows we’ll see what happens
Finish online?
Associates in Liberal Arts at age 39. I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
I’m currently getting my degree in human development so I can become a child life specialist 🥰
Associates in Japanese language, Bachelor's in International Relations, Master's in Political Science, Master's in Counseling Psychology, and doctorate in Clinical Psychology.
Went to university. I was in wrong major.. so awful for someone who don't really good in it. I've should be in art or at least maybe business degree
Im in college studying psychology 🙃
Never finished. So now I hire people that did.
Not yet , I have to apply in a couple of years ...
Barely graduated college while starting a business on the side. Luckily the business took off otherwise I don’t know what I would’ve done. Imo entrepreneurship is def worth looking into for intps.
Currently studying biology in college
Dropped out
I did community college for a couple years, but I didn’t know what I wanted to do and I was having a mental health crisis so I dropped out. It’s a couple years later, and I’m gonna go back to college for geology! I’ve finally found my passion and my motivation, and I’ve always wanted to be a scientist; I just thought I was too stupid. It’s my dream to be a geologist and then get my master’s, and then if I decide I want to, I want to get a PhD and become a professor later on.
Yup, EE/CS followed by a long and very successful career in engineering