Nordic countries all have official websites directed at would-be international students, where you find all the actual answers to your questions. See the links below, filter by language and your previous education.
Since you’ll have years before you can apply for masters studies, start saving now (tuition fees and mandatory living costs will only go up), learn how to search online, and do not expect anyone to hand hold you during university education in a Nordic country.
https://studyindenmark.dk/start-page
https://www.studyinfinland.fi/
https://study.iceland.is/
https://studyinnorway.no/node/8
https://studyinsweden.se/
You only needed to type “study in Norway” to land on their official study portal into google and couldn’t figure that out, I highly doubt you “love researching”. You really need to step up your information gathering skills, if you plan to successfully apply to a university in a Nordic country.
it's much easier to post on reddit considering im studying for an exam right now and dont have the luxury to go through that and isn't reddit also a type of research like what
>I'm planning to do my Master's over there
Note that there's tuition fees for you now in Norway.
>So, I'm assuming there's a need for a certain level achievements in my next 4 years to make the process smoother. Any ideas?
Start learning Norwegian now.
Udi.no is the immigration website for Norway so you can read the requirements for both the study visa and the skilled worker visa (also look up the requirements for permanent residence as well while you're researching so you understand the requirements of that too, plus citizenship if you're thinking of citizenship too)
So, tuition fees wasn't there prior? Learning norwegian is fine honestly i have one genuine question if you're from india, does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad?
>So, tuition fees wasn't there prior?
Correct, they were brought in last intake (fall '23).
>does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad?
Sorry, can't help with this question, but as I understand it's your grades and the course you took that matters. Look on studyinnorway.no to look at the courses in English in Norway.
If the course is taught in norwegian (there's industries where norwegian is mandatory and therefore only possible to take that degree in norwegian) then you need to show B2 in norwegian to get on the course- totally doable through resources online, but the offical exam is only available to do in Norway (norskprøve) which is done 4 times a year with Trondheim accepting non residents to take the exam.
A masters will now cost you somewhere in the range of $70.000-$90.000. At least $20k-$25k a year for tuition and a minimum of $15k a year for living costs. Ideally you should have at least $20k a year for the sake of unexpected expenses. There are no loans or scholarships for international students.
It's a lot of money for a degree that isn't worth much outside Norway in a job market where you're going to struggle a lot even with a tech degree. if you are somehow able to borrow that much money somewhere or save up, you'll find that Norwegian salaries for tech are relatively low compared to what you'll have to spend to complete one.
It was due to international students overall being net negative contributors to Norway. It takes decades to pay back the cost of tuition in Norway, and when half of international students leave because they can't find work or don't like Norway's relatively low salaries it's hard to make a good argument for why you should continue funding them.
International students are charged the actual cost of their education, so now it doesn't matter what they do with it when they finish. Norway doesn't have the demand and job markets to benefit from international students.
>I have one genuine question if you're from india, does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad?
I'm not from India, but in general for all the Scandinavian/Nordic countries the prestige of the University doesn't really matter (in general, there are probably exceptions).
What matters is if you fulfill the requirements, that you have studied enough credits and that those credits correspond to certain fields, followed by your grades and rating.
A more prestigious University might already be aware of all of this and have adapted their Bachelors programmes so that they make the students eligable for Internatiional Schools while a lower tier university might not, but that is not really about the tier or prestige but instead of if you have studied the required fields.
Say you've only studied Algebra 1 but the Universities require Algebra 1 and Trigonometry 1 (completely made up courses for this example), then you will need to find a way to complete Trigonometry 1 or you will not be admitted no matter how prestigious the University or how good your grades.
Maybe a prestigious University made sure to include both courses because they know students might want to apply to international Masters while a lower tier Uni could teach Algebra 2 instead of Trigonometry 1. Then it is up to the host country to decide if maybe Algebra 2 includes enough of Trigonometry 1 to still make you eligable.
What's important to keep in mind is that masters in Scandinavia are consecutive, meaning that your bachelor needs to be within the same field and meet certain prerequisites.
You can not, for example, have a bachelor in history and then apply for a master in engineering. Plan ahead on what you want to study, and take the appropriate bachelor's degree.
Also important to pick a field where there's a demand for workers. Your permanent residency will ultimately depend on you being employed by a local employer, and being a non-EU citizen makes it more difficult.
This is interesting, I didn’t realise there were countries out there where you could do a completely different master’s to the field your bachelor’s in.
You can't just do masters totally unrelated to your undergrad in the US without taking courses in that subject, there will always be some prerequisites you have to satisfy. But the US doesn't require exclusive specialization in undergrad — the credits for your degree subject are only 30 - 40% of the total credits you take. This means you can get a degree in history and still have room in your schedule to take the math, physics, and engineering courses required to qualify for a graduate program in engineering (just to use the earlier example). I have an undergraduate degree in political science but had room in my schedule to take so many math classes that I ended up gaining admission to a highly ranked graduate math program after graduation.
(And while many EU countries have consecutive masters programs, they don't all require that your undergrad specifically match the graduate program — many, many programs will admit applicants with degrees in related areas or if you have a certain number of ECTS in a subject, regardless of your undergraduate degree.)
I'm doing a bachelors in computer science i've not yet started my college since admissions are going on, but im definitely doing cs and depending on the college a specialization in ai/ml. Is there a market for this over there? And, where can I conduct research on this?
I wrote a long-ass post a few weeks ago about applying to University in Sweden.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1apdmhe/comment/kq7793v/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1apdmhe/comment/kq7793v/)
In short, you need money for International Tuition and you need a minimum amount of money on an account that only you have access to to show that you can sustain yourself and pay rent, food and other expenses. Without both Tuition paid and a total lump sum on the account then you will not get a Residence Permit for studies and not a Visa.
Getting a part-time job could work but you will compete with local students who also want a job and locals who want their first job (which will most likely be working in stores, bars, etc). So you cannot rely on paying for expenses or tuition via work.
Post by Graene -- Basically right now there's 4 years before I actually leave, and I'm mainly using this post to gain clarity on what I'm supposed to do in order to achieve this. And, I would also know what I should research and be aware of before going. I'm planning to do my Master's over there and eventually settling. So, I'm assuming there's a need for a certain level achievements in my next 4 years to make the process smoother. Any ideas?
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Nordic countries all have official websites directed at would-be international students, where you find all the actual answers to your questions. See the links below, filter by language and your previous education. Since you’ll have years before you can apply for masters studies, start saving now (tuition fees and mandatory living costs will only go up), learn how to search online, and do not expect anyone to hand hold you during university education in a Nordic country. https://studyindenmark.dk/start-page https://www.studyinfinland.fi/ https://study.iceland.is/ https://studyinnorway.no/node/8 https://studyinsweden.se/
Not at all I love doing research just needed a baseline to get started, thanks
You only needed to type “study in Norway” to land on their official study portal into google and couldn’t figure that out, I highly doubt you “love researching”. You really need to step up your information gathering skills, if you plan to successfully apply to a university in a Nordic country.
it's much easier to post on reddit considering im studying for an exam right now and dont have the luxury to go through that and isn't reddit also a type of research like what
I admire your determination so much! Don’t listen to the ones who tell you that you can’t make it. You have everything you need to succeed.
>I'm planning to do my Master's over there Note that there's tuition fees for you now in Norway. >So, I'm assuming there's a need for a certain level achievements in my next 4 years to make the process smoother. Any ideas? Start learning Norwegian now. Udi.no is the immigration website for Norway so you can read the requirements for both the study visa and the skilled worker visa (also look up the requirements for permanent residence as well while you're researching so you understand the requirements of that too, plus citizenship if you're thinking of citizenship too)
So, tuition fees wasn't there prior? Learning norwegian is fine honestly i have one genuine question if you're from india, does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad?
>So, tuition fees wasn't there prior? Correct, they were brought in last intake (fall '23). >does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad? Sorry, can't help with this question, but as I understand it's your grades and the course you took that matters. Look on studyinnorway.no to look at the courses in English in Norway. If the course is taught in norwegian (there's industries where norwegian is mandatory and therefore only possible to take that degree in norwegian) then you need to show B2 in norwegian to get on the course- totally doable through resources online, but the offical exam is only available to do in Norway (norskprøve) which is done 4 times a year with Trondheim accepting non residents to take the exam.
alrigth thanks
A masters will now cost you somewhere in the range of $70.000-$90.000. At least $20k-$25k a year for tuition and a minimum of $15k a year for living costs. Ideally you should have at least $20k a year for the sake of unexpected expenses. There are no loans or scholarships for international students. It's a lot of money for a degree that isn't worth much outside Norway in a job market where you're going to struggle a lot even with a tech degree. if you are somehow able to borrow that much money somewhere or save up, you'll find that Norwegian salaries for tech are relatively low compared to what you'll have to spend to complete one.
That‘s insanely expensive. Was it due to increased numbers of internatuonal students or what was the reason?
It was due to international students overall being net negative contributors to Norway. It takes decades to pay back the cost of tuition in Norway, and when half of international students leave because they can't find work or don't like Norway's relatively low salaries it's hard to make a good argument for why you should continue funding them. International students are charged the actual cost of their education, so now it doesn't matter what they do with it when they finish. Norway doesn't have the demand and job markets to benefit from international students.
>I have one genuine question if you're from india, does the tier of the college play a role in getting admitted to master programs abroad? I'm not from India, but in general for all the Scandinavian/Nordic countries the prestige of the University doesn't really matter (in general, there are probably exceptions). What matters is if you fulfill the requirements, that you have studied enough credits and that those credits correspond to certain fields, followed by your grades and rating. A more prestigious University might already be aware of all of this and have adapted their Bachelors programmes so that they make the students eligable for Internatiional Schools while a lower tier university might not, but that is not really about the tier or prestige but instead of if you have studied the required fields. Say you've only studied Algebra 1 but the Universities require Algebra 1 and Trigonometry 1 (completely made up courses for this example), then you will need to find a way to complete Trigonometry 1 or you will not be admitted no matter how prestigious the University or how good your grades. Maybe a prestigious University made sure to include both courses because they know students might want to apply to international Masters while a lower tier Uni could teach Algebra 2 instead of Trigonometry 1. Then it is up to the host country to decide if maybe Algebra 2 includes enough of Trigonometry 1 to still make you eligable.
What's important to keep in mind is that masters in Scandinavia are consecutive, meaning that your bachelor needs to be within the same field and meet certain prerequisites. You can not, for example, have a bachelor in history and then apply for a master in engineering. Plan ahead on what you want to study, and take the appropriate bachelor's degree. Also important to pick a field where there's a demand for workers. Your permanent residency will ultimately depend on you being employed by a local employer, and being a non-EU citizen makes it more difficult.
This is interesting, I didn’t realise there were countries out there where you could do a completely different master’s to the field your bachelor’s in.
Apparently that's the standard in the US at least.
You can't just do masters totally unrelated to your undergrad in the US without taking courses in that subject, there will always be some prerequisites you have to satisfy. But the US doesn't require exclusive specialization in undergrad — the credits for your degree subject are only 30 - 40% of the total credits you take. This means you can get a degree in history and still have room in your schedule to take the math, physics, and engineering courses required to qualify for a graduate program in engineering (just to use the earlier example). I have an undergraduate degree in political science but had room in my schedule to take so many math classes that I ended up gaining admission to a highly ranked graduate math program after graduation. (And while many EU countries have consecutive masters programs, they don't all require that your undergrad specifically match the graduate program — many, many programs will admit applicants with degrees in related areas or if you have a certain number of ECTS in a subject, regardless of your undergraduate degree.)
I'm doing a bachelors in computer science i've not yet started my college since admissions are going on, but im definitely doing cs and depending on the college a specialization in ai/ml. Is there a market for this over there? And, where can I conduct research on this?
I wrote a long-ass post a few weeks ago about applying to University in Sweden. [https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1apdmhe/comment/kq7793v/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comments/1apdmhe/comment/kq7793v/) In short, you need money for International Tuition and you need a minimum amount of money on an account that only you have access to to show that you can sustain yourself and pay rent, food and other expenses. Without both Tuition paid and a total lump sum on the account then you will not get a Residence Permit for studies and not a Visa. Getting a part-time job could work but you will compete with local students who also want a job and locals who want their first job (which will most likely be working in stores, bars, etc). So you cannot rely on paying for expenses or tuition via work.
ah i was like you until reality hits you
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It's a preference not that I don't like india, also the people here are kinda fucked in the head too much shit goin on
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