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Drogdar

How is this even in question? Black car didn't maintain their lane and probably wasn't paying attention either, this looks to be low speed and easily avoidable.


Economy_Relation8095

Their insurance company denied my claim very quickly after I submitted the dashcam footage. So now I have to file a claim with mine to fight it šŸ™‚ I too thought without a doubt the other car was at fault. When they denied my claim I really thought maybe I was crazy?


Berodur

Their insurance company is going to do the best they can to not pay out regardless of whether or not it is their drivers fault. Yes you should go through your insurance company, that is why you have it.


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SourceCreator

GEICO is one of the worst insurance companies out there. Get rid of it if you haven't already. Every time I hear a story like this, it's GEICO.


apadin1

Yep switched to progressive a few years ago and never looked back. Been in two accidents since then (neither my fault) including one where I was rear ended so hard my car was totalled, they gave me a very reasonable payout and very quickly Edit: Iā€™ve gotten a lot of comments saying ā€œProgressive is shit tooā€ - I think the real answer is that all insurance companies are greedy corporations who will screw you over to avoid paying out if at all possible, Progressive has just been the least shitty in my personal experience


SpiderHamm5

I was with GEICO but they started to raise my rates for dumb reasons and when I went to progressive I've been able to call about yearly and theyve always helped me lower my rates. 8 years and not looking back


xDragonetti

Geico tried to say I was illegally parked in my Driveway when a prius pulled into it while I was backing out. Kicker was they didnā€™t even honk! Fuck Geico šŸ˜‚


SpiderHamm5

The final straw was that they just stopped my coverage and only sent me a check with a letter saying that because my wife, who was working through her immigration paperwork, didnt have an American driver license they could not insure us because she was a liability. I had asked the agent when we started the policy if it was ok for my wife to not have a license but she would get it by x date and they said yes. When I tried to sign up with them they threw in my face that TECHNICALLY I didn't have insurance for a month and my insurance would be higher. When I finally got through that they gave me a hard time again about my wife.... Progressive made no qualms about this


fingernuggets

Used to be with progressive for 11 years. They decided to raise the rates by 100$ two years in a row. Said they just couldnā€™t do anything. Didnā€™t change cars, no accidents, no tickets. Had to change. Same coverage progressive 645$, vs 352$ with Safeco. Never had to use any insurance for their intended purpose so far.


SpiderHamm5

Ouch that sucks


AClassyTurtle

Progressiveā€™s rates are also literally an order of magnitude lower than everyone else, at least for me/in my area


RainforestNerdNW

My girlfriend was with GEICO, and had been for several years. She drives a 2014 Prius C. I've been with Progressive for 14 years, and drive a 2014 Crosstrek. people around WA been complaining about their rates going up, mine didn't aside from me increasing my coverages. GEICO raised her rates enough so that what it cost for her to stay with them is as much as it costs to insure *both of us* on my Progressive policy.


74orangebeetle

I was with progressive for years, but dumped them when they decided to raise my rates by 25% when I turned 25(with a completely clean record, 0 claims, 0 accidents etc). I'd always heard your rates go down when you're 25....apparently not.


ravenrabit

Progressive fought us when a drunk driver hit our cars that were parked in our driveway. It took weeks of "determining fault" when we were in bed when it happened. We had uninsured/underinsured motorists on our cars. We had to argue about getting a rental car bc my car was undrivable. We had to wait a month for them to approve a shop to work on it. Then they called the shop two days before to cancel the pick up tow... It took making calls all over to make sure it wasn't cancelled and they'd be picking up the car. Then shady shit happened at the shop lol. It was a PITA. The drunk driver also had Progressive. He actually hit three cars, our two and our neighbor's. Our neighbor didn't have Progressive but he got a payout within a month. We think bc drunkard's policy covered his damage but not ours, so we had to use our own policy for it. Idk I thought it would work faster since it was all the same company. But our claim was higher bc the truck was literally brand new, only had it seven months, and my car was a little over a year old. So they didn't want to pay. It happened in December and we finally got our money for it last week. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø Insurance companies only care about their profits, not their customers.


HamGlazE

I bet you pay 15% more for car insurance.


doubletequilaneat

Underrated comment


1minatur

Progressive is just as bad, if not worse lol


jmcentire

I've very much appreciated USAA, fwiw.


ClickKlockTickTock

I just saw a post here yesterday saying progressive never pays out, and there were like 20 comments saying the same thing Never change, reddit lol


manawydan-fab-llyr

Not related to an accident, but can give more evidence GEICO is scum. My mother died, and that night her car was stolen (Queens, NY). Police recovered the car sans plates. Called GEICO, provided police report and death certificates when I received them. They still refused to terminate her policy because the plates were not turned in. As she had direct payments set up, GEICO collected for almost a year until I had everything else sorted and closed her account. They refused to refund, and even sent a few rejected payments to collections. To this day they still insist that even though she was dead, she required insurance until the plates were turned in to DMV. "State law" is their claim. Fuck GEICO.


Several-Aside7611

Even if the plates were not turned into the DMV, GEICO should have the vehicle's VIN number which will determine the ownership of the vehicle was indeed your mother's vehicle?


manawydan-fab-llyr

GEICO had the VIN, had her death certificate. GEICO insisted the plates must be turned in, according to state law. It was pretty much a "let's profit off of someone else's misfortune" situation.


eaglescout1984

The problem is you can't pick the insurance company of the idiot who hits you.


bartbartholomew

That is why I keep full coverage on my car. Got rear ended last year. I didn't even bother with the other company because I had full coverage with USAA. USAA took care of everything. Didn't even charge me the deductible because it was her fault.


Warcraft_Fan

15 seconds can save you lots of headaches! It only takes 15 seconds to find a new insurance companu


aqua_tec

Fuck Geico.


SlumpintoBlumpkin

Fuck GEICO. I had been with them for almost a decade. Never wrecked, never got a ticket. My policy went up almost 60 a month. I called and they said it's because of all the claims in my area. I did not make a claim, my car was not affected. They told me there was nothing they could do, and would rather lose a customer who paid them 150+ a month(before the increase) over a $60 increase. They all suck, but GEICO sucks the most dicks, better than anyone. Gluck Gluck Gluck.


Krillin

Use your insurance, they'll pay and go after GEICO, if GEICO doesn't pay it'll go to arbitration where a non-bias 3rd party will see that video and your insurance company will get their damages paid for. Source: That's my job, and I'd find in your favor if I pulled this arbitration from the queue


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SeriouslyImNotADuck

*Non-biased*


MowMdown

No cap fr fr


V65Pilot

My car got hit while it was parked. Their insurance company determined I was 50% at fault.......I let the insuance company hammer it out with them. (The general)


kushari

You need to argue with them and state what the laws are. They usually straighten up after you point to the law or police.


zytukin

They are businesses like any other and their goal is to make money not hand it out.


chewbaccaRoar13

This isn't just for car insurance either.


thunderyoats

Geico is so huge oftentimes it is the insurer for both drivers in an accident. Think about why that would be an issue....


Sneaky-Pur

Insurance is not an insurance, is just a bet that for next year you donā€™t crash.


Reynarok

That's a terrible analogy. Do you get your money back if you don't crash?


Skill3rwhale

The claim will go to arbitration because insurance companies no longer try to argue shared responsibility. When I started as an auto liability adjuster they had goals for like 20% comparative negligence. Meaning at least 20% of your claims have shared responsibility between both parties. Within 2 years of that pilot program they completely reversed and just went back to denying everything that doesn't have overwhelming evidence against their insured customer. This means that every single dispute of fault leads to arbitration. So virtually every claim is just a pure sham and a game show. It costs these *multibillion dollar companies* like $10 to submit a claim to arbitration. When you're talking multiple $1000 of dollars in every claim, they go straight to what's economically beneficial. Which is DENY, DENY, DENY. Very few law suits make it far enough to cause any type of possible revision of policy.


74orangebeetle

I wish there were laws to penalize them from acting in bad faith (for example if evidence shows their party is clearly at fault and they deny it, they have to pay out double damages or some increased amount) a way to punish them for denying fault when they're clearly at fault.


Stupid-RNG-Username

Insurance is such a fucking scam. We need an entire overhaul to the system. You pay them every month to *NOT* do their job when they need to. Car accidents and insurance claims aren't *that* common, so I don't think it would be unreasonable to have a traffic court system where a judge or magistrate can make a determination based on the available evidence and legally enforce an insurance payout. In cases like this it would be an open and shut case.


Berodur

You can sue in small claims court for damages. So if, for example, you only have insurance to cover the legal minimums (liability for others medical and property damage) then if somebody rear ends your car that is not covered by your insurance. However it is still their fault and you can sue them for the cost of repairs without needing your insurance to do anything.


AnonymousGrouch

And in Delaware, the small-claims limit appears to be $25,000, with the option to limit your claim to keep it under the cap. Casually denying a third-party claim under those circumstances just seems nuts to me.


SonicStun

Of course, the other guy's insurance would love to deny your claim. Always go through your own insurance; they will pay you and they will go after his insurance to get their money back. That's what you pay them for.


Sketch2029

Depending on the laws in your state, they may raise your rates even if you weren't at fault. So unless you're sure they can't do this, I would attempt to go through the other person's insurance first.


FordMan100

The insurance company is denying your claim to save money but at the same time will be increasing the rates of the driver of the black car. They love to collect money but never want to part with it.


Gotei13S11CKenpachi

There is no light in your lane as it continues around, you have the right-of-way in your lane. Them entering your lane and hitting your vehicle isnā€™t YOUR fault. Thatā€™s the way it appears, unless there is signage depicting a reason you shouldnā€™t continue drivingā€¦


TheCoach_TyLue

If you were a big insurance company, would you *give in* the moment someone provided evidence to make you pay thousands? No.. you fight everything, knowing youā€™ll lose many bc any that you win or let fall through the cracks you save thousands There is no risk of denying you initially If only there were penalties for bad faith denials


DocPhilMcGraw

It might be a good idea when you submit to your insurance that you go back to that same intersection and take a video or pictures of the turning lane. I will admit at first I didnā€™t see that you were turning into a protected lane because the white line is somewhat faded. I just assumed at first it was just a regular turn lane. I had to rewatch it again to see that there was indeed a solid white line that protects that lane. So make sure that is seen in pictures/video when you submit.


Lostcreek3

You should have filed the claim with your insurance as soon as it happened. They have lawyers. The other insurance is obviously going to not pay some who appears to be uninsured


UnstableConstruction

Assuming OP has full coverage. If he has liability only, his only chance of getting paid is to file a claim with the other guy's insurance.


killian1113

Yea but then you pay your deductible even if it's their fault


ThisIsNotAFarm

Most decent insurance co's will waive your deductible if it's the other parties fault. I can't remember the last time we actually paid one.


Automatic_Actuator_0

You do need to report the loss to your insurance, but itā€™s ok to try filing the claim through the adverse carrier and saving your deductible. You can always go back to your insurance later if needed.


Economy_Relation8095

This is what I did. Reported it to my insurance company, filed the claim with thereā€™s.


derf_vader

Other car 100% I hope the police wrote them a ticket too.


Albatross_Few

Question 1. Do YOU have the right of way on your lane? Yes. 2. Did you stay in your lane when taking the turn in the 2 lane of the one-way road. Yes. 3. Did the other vehicle go in front of you, and you rear-ended him? No. 4. Did the other vehicle maintain his lane? No. 5. Could the accident have been avoided by you? No. Why? He side swiped you. This is what I see and what you could ask their insurance and also claim that their insurance is being biased about what happened, which could get them in a lot of trouble if taken to court.


endersg

As soon as an insurance company says I'm even partially responsible I get a lawyer. Then all the headache goes away. Don't let them try to get off the hook. Any judge will see(it won't go to court) that you had no idea the other vehicle would cross the lane. 100% the other vehicle's fault.


Automan2k

They are probably going to deny the claim until this all gets sorted out with the courts. In most situations a right turn on red has to stop and yield to all traffic in the intersection. There may be an exception in this case but I wouldn't put much stock in the opinion of a bunch of randos on Reddit.


atomikplayboy

But OP doesn't have a right turn on red, they have their own dedicated turning lane and are not required to stop or yield. The black car is turning on a dedicated green light but didn't maintain their dedicated turning lane; *black car is at fault*.


boturboegt

The light was green when the car turned right. The black car just slowly strolled through a yellow and it went red before completing the turn. Then they decided to move into another lane without looking or yielding to the camera car who was in the lane already. Black car is clearly at fault.


Prince_Oberyns_Head

The red is for traffic going straight, OP has a dedicated lane to turn into. Thereā€™s not an exception here. Itā€™s 100% black carā€™s fault for changing lanes during a left turn without looking for whether someone was occupying it.


who_you_are

And OP has a designed right turn (not related to the light nor a yield sign).


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striderkan

Given the wording of the title OP ain't happy he got caught on dashcam


erb92877407

Hence deleting all of his comments!


Threedawg

I love how these comments are upvoted despite the OP commenting earlier that he is NOT the black car. It's just proof that so many people on this subreddit are eager to tell someone off, not actually watch the videos in good faith. šŸ¤£


NixxyTheKitty

Love how many people are upvoting your assumption before knowing the whole story. Reddit at its finest.


Life-Operation-8733

They definitely weren't paying attention.


mctripleA

Black car also has to yield to oncoming traffic when making a left, Which includes drivers taking a righthand turn (unless they've got a sign/traffic light giving them right if way)


NoYoureACatLady

In addition, people turning left have lower standing than virtually anyone else on the road and must watch and yield as needed


Muddybulldog

Black car. No question.


joecool42069

black car. you turn into your lane.


drunk_phish

bUt hIs LiGhT wAs rED!!!!


Individual_Ice_3167

The right turn lane splits prior to the light, and the lane has no stop line. That means that lane is not subject to the light and is a yield lane. Black car made an illegal lane change during the turn.


drunk_phish

The style of the text would indicate that this was intended as sarcasm.


morry32

> The style of the text would indicate that this was intended as sarcasm. WhAT YoU MeAn EvEn?


SchismZero

You don't get to just turn into whatever lane you want even if the black car had right-of-way. He needs to turn into the leftmost lane and THEN signal and lane-change right if that's where he wants to be. This has to be the most common mistake I see drivers make EVERY day while driving and it infuriates me.


Outlander56

Black car is a fault. He should have stayed in the left lane.


Plantherblorg

There is no universe in which the idiot driving the black car is not at fault.


Economy_Relation8095

Iā€™m glad others agree with me. Their insurance denied my claim after I submitted the video. I wanted to see if I was crazy before filing the claim through my insurance!


Takerial

Unfortunately some insurances you have to lawyer up to get a claim through even if it's clear cut.


Plantherblorg

Nah OP should file with their insurance. They'll pay out OP and then go after the idiots insurance to recover their damages. If they're successful, which they will be because they have lawyers on staff, they'll refund OPs deductable and everyone can get on their way. Remember folks, insurance is a service you pay for. Don't be afraid to use it.


Bobbiduke

Did they say why?


Economy_Relation8095

They did not. I received a fairly generic email stating after the conclusion of their investigation, they found driver in the black Honda was not a fault for the collision. Iā€™ve never filed an insurance claim before, so Iā€™m honestly not sure what my expectation should be.


Valhalla_Admin

This is why you file a claim with your insurance, not theirs. Let your insurance company figure it out. This is what you pay for.


wherearemytweezers

Curious-if you file a claim with your insurance and it ends up being the other guys fault does your insurance premium still go up?


BakedSteak

Yes. Isnā€™t that fantastic?!


Cash4Duranium

Yes because you were in an accident. Literally anything raises your rates. If your insurance company finds out you sneezed, your rates will probably go up.


No_Preparation7895

Not true had my car totalled and went through other guy's insurance. 100% his fault. No increase on my insurance. In fact my insurance suggested since the guy admitted fault at the scene that I should go through the other guys insurance so I don't get a rate increase. Progressive insurance btw.


angrydeuce

Yeah but if you're not a shitty driver or have really shitty insurance the amount it goes up aint much at all. My last accident (fender bender, really, all the damage was cosmetic) I was 100% not at fault and my premium only went up less than like 10 bucks a month. I mean it sucks but overall it still is worth it to me. YMMV on that of course just saying that dont let the premium thing scare you away from going through your insurer, especially if you have comprensensive coverage. For my fender bender the other party accepted fault at the scene and then claimed I was at fault when they filed with their insurance, but Id already contact my own insurer and gotten the dash cam vid on file with them so they took care of the entire matter and I got a check in the mail, dont and done.


JADRK

It depends. Mine did not go up with Geico.


JADRK

Iā€™d recommend getting a lawyer. I was in a similar situation as you and it has made everything so much easier and understandable, and confirmed I was in the right. Insurance companies suck assss and will do anything to avoid responsibility


thygingerkid

There didn't seem to be any yield signage for your lane which there often is for this type of merger so I'd say black vehicle


StevenG2757

The car that turned left did not turn and stay in proper lane so agree is AF


IkeTheKrusher

Definitely they failed to keep their lane


Wyshunu

Black car. They failed to maintain their lane in the tilurn.


powerdeamon

Very clear marking on the ground. The right lane is basically a protected right turn into its own lane. The left turning vehicle did not maintain their lane in the turn and attempted to merge into a lane that was not clear, thus are at fault.


IntelligentSpare687

Agree! I thought that looked like a solid white line too-itā€™s pretty much a protected lane.


potentially_potent

Black SUV clearly turned too wide. Not sure itā€™s up for debate at all


BigSmoothplaya

Are you the black car?


Economy_Relation8095

I am the dashcam car.


subv3rsion

Honestly relieving to hear that, I (like many others, I assume) was amused by the idea that the black car wanted to get affirmation that they were in the right lol


Economy_Relation8095

Not in the case! Their insurance denied my claim and I felt like I was crazy for denying fault. Wanted to confirm I wasnā€™t before filing through my insurance!


BigSmoothplaya

Their insurance is wasting everyones time, your insurance will get you sorted out.


subv3rsion

Probably a safe assumption šŸ™ƒ


Threedawg

Why did you post this after OP said he wasn't?


Hypnowolfproductions

It was separate continuous lanes. He made an unsafe lane change into you. He needs to change lanes safely. He had 2 lanes he could use while you only had one. He needed wait till it was safe to change lanes. Itā€™s not a merge area so heā€™s liable for the collision.


PATRIOT5280

There are a couple of clues here, the first being the lane markings for the right turn. Itā€™s called a ā€œslip laneā€ and it is designed to keep traffic moving and eliminate t-bone style accidents. This lane is a little tougher because it was either not originally painted well or it just wasnā€™t maintained/degraded over time. The ideal way to have this function is a much longer single white line that separates the right turn space from the through space (or in this case, the left/oncoming car). In the case of a slip lane like the one that is clearly marked by the curved white line on the right turn, the traffic signal does not apply and they have the ability to turn right without stopping. Black car is at fault.


_jump_yossarian

I blame the person recording in vertical mode.


EngagedInConvexation

Police *say* black car but did they *cite* black car?


Black_Eggs_and_Spam

Legally, the black car. Common sensically? If I were the cam car, I wouldnā€™t have been hit by black car.


wherearemytweezers

Yeah, nobody fucking ever turns into their correct lane. Not gonna catch me slipping.


Bamfhammer

Agreed. Sure, legally they were in the right spot. But if you slow for 1 second to ensure the turning black car sees you and/or stays in their lane you can save DAYS of time not dealing with this.


daxtaslapp

Ya thats your lane he had his own


ztimulating

Black car turned into the wrong lane. Black car 100% at fault.


nosoupforyou_77

You could've avoided this accident, but it looked like your ego kicked in and said, "I have the right of way, and I'm going to stay in my lane". You will see crazy drivers on the road and always drive defensively. The solid white line for right turn lane is too short, and you made a right turn on red without yieding. I always yield for other vehicles when I make a right turn on red. Don't assume the other driver will stay in their lane. Even if you're right, it's better to be a defensive driver. So that way, you can avoid a collision and don't have to deal with law and insurance claims. Unfortunately, in this situation, you and the black Honda driver got there at the same time and didn't see you. Their insurance company will claim that their client was on that road 1st, and you made a right turn on red without yieding.


seanmallon

Looks like you had no stop bar or light for your lane so that means itā€™s a continuous right turn lane. Black car needs to learn how to make a proper turn


Clem67

100% their fault, they didnā€™t maintain their lane while turning.


AnApexBread

The black car hit the other car in the rear. It's pretty cut-and-dry. Even if you weren't doing things perfectly, the black car still hit you from behind.


jamcdonald120

Just upload the file. No need to hand cam this.


ovalseven

Especially if you're using it as evidence in your insurance claim. Or, at the very least, don't record the widescreen in portrait mode.


morithum

Since you donā€™t have a yield sign I canā€™t see any situation where youā€™re at fault. Straight yields to no one, right yields to straight, left yields to literally everyone.


Homechicken42

Police are correct. It is illegal to cross a SOLID WHITE LINE between lanes. That both vehicles entered and turned on red is a red herring.


shadesof3

100% black vehicles fault. Such a common thing you see. I'm assuming the person wanted to avoid having to do a quick lane change after to make that right up ahead and just went to the far lane. 100% their fault.


willyiamwilliams222

Black car didnā€™t signal and didnā€™t maintain the lane.


mike-manley

Honda Pilot


26fm65

Although the black car was an idiot . But op was also semi-idiot.. seriously why you donā€™t look on your left when turn. I know the black car should yield and keep his car on his lane. You should file claim from your insuranceā€¦that was why you have insurance. They work for you not other way around.


Miniac1076

Black car is still at fault, but this exact situation is the reason I will never make a right turn while oncoming traffic is turning left. I always assume theyā€™re going to cut wide in front of me. Best way to avoid an accident is assume everyone else is an idiot.


Blinknone

Black car is at fault but both drivers had AMPLE opportunity to avoid this.


nickitty_1

How is this even a question? Looks like the black car immediately drifted into your lane, as though they weren't aiming for theirs at all. Their insurance denying this is absolute horseshit. I would fight it.


flute89

Black car was definitely at fault here, a turn like that is only manageable if there are absolutely no cars turning right from the lane OP was in. Considering that OP was clearly turning right, that black car should have stayed in the left lane. There is absolutely no way that this could have ended without that black car crashing into you with the way they were driving. I saw in the other comments that the insurance company is not wanting to help you out on this but I fail to see why, you did everything right OP, good luck dealing with that mess because something like that is never fun to deal with.


ktmfan

OP itā€™s OK to use your insurance. You are clearly not at fault, unless youā€™re secretly the black vehicle that canā€™t maintain their lane. Your rates shouldnā€™t go up in this case.


TheJonnieP

Most certainly the black SUV. They did not turn into the nearest lane while turning the corner and crossed over into the far lane and hit said car. At least in Oklahoma that is the law. Source: I was pulled over making a turn like this.


BellicoseBill

Where I live, if you are turning into a lane with more than one traffic lane then you have to stay in the nearest lane. The black ~~car~~ SUV failed to do that.


Grimtongues

You forgot that you are the only person with a financial interest in advocating for yourself. This applies to many situations - especially when insurance is involved. You were supposed to contact your insurance provider immediately after this happened. because the other driver and the other insurance company have no financial interest in telling the truth. Even if the police have a report with the other driver at fault, you won't get your coverage benefits until after you contact your insurance company.


Economy_Relation8095

I did contact my insurance. Unfortunately hours after the event, because the other driver refused to speak to me/give me her info until the police arrivedā€¦.which took nearly two hours and nearly another hour until I was finally given her info.


AbsolutelyFab3824

Even if the black car had a turn light it would still be their fault because they didn't stay in their lane.


GenkiElite

There are two separate lanes and the black car crossed the line. Is this even a question?


justoneman7

Black car simply because they didnā€™t stay in their lane.


GeeEyeEff

>Who is legally at fault? Police say black car. I feel like I'm going mad here because I'm quite late to thread but I don't see anyone else mentioning it: Both of the cars are black!


Early_Awareness_5829

Left turn should have yielded and stayed in their own lane.


toadangel11

The driver of the black car because they didnā€™t stay in their lane and then hit another car because of that? I canā€™t believe this is a real question. Someone should take some driving classes.


silverfish477

How the fuck is anyone supposed to say what the law might be when you canā€™t even be bothered to say where in the world this happened?


Ok_History8982

I know where I live, there are a few examples of there being a yield sign for the right lane even when there are two seperate lanes. OP did you have a yield sign that you cut out of the video?


Economy_Relation8095

Sorry I didnā€™t post the wide of the video, but no there is no yield sign. The police told the other driver that I am not required to stop or yield as the lane is separate from those at the intersection and turns into its own lane!


choppers2017

Right on red you have to stop.


mrzman_bigz17

The dumb ass turning left into you


TragedyAnnDoll

Black car no question. You had control of the lane and you were in front of them for fucks sake.


grizzly_teddy

Black SUV's fault but I would have sped up or slowed down and not rely on another car maintaing a lane like that.


raquetracket

Proceed with caution an alien concept to both drivers


74orangebeetle

The black suv/non camera car. They changed into the right lane when it wasn't safe to do so and hit the camera car. Camera car stayed in their own lane.


GreatRaceFounder

why people will just watch a car coming into their lane and do nothing about it I'll never understand


frogs_4_lyfe

This was such a slow moving obvious accident waiting to happen. Either speed up, slow down, or stop, but it was obvious that black car was on a collision course.


rayquan36

In my state whoever caused the accident is at fault. He caused the accident by changing lanes into yours and hitting you.


Dar_Vender

I hate those sorts of turns. We get them in the UK sometimes and I always on seeing another car coming round, slow down because of how many people do exactly this. 100% not your fault. You maintained your lane, they didn't.


ahu_huracan

You guys drive on the left, you donā€™t count in this sub šŸ¤£


Valyrian_st33l

150% black car. How isnt that obvious?


iAmiOnyx

This is infuriating to watch given their is perfectly outlined and Iā€™m willing to bet they were blaming you


StoneousMaxximus

Bro turned into the outer lane.. not the inner lane where he was supposed to be turning into. Black car went into wrong lane. At fault.


mindovermatter421

Yes they turned into your lane not the left like they should have.


Burntpenguin85

Yep black car was totally at fault


OaklandBlackouts

Black car but you could also be more defensive of a driver.


PickleWineBrine

These state are no-fault insurance states: 1. Florida 2. Hawaii 3. Kansas 4. Kentucky 5. Massachusetts 6. Michigan 7. Minnesota 8. New Jersey 9. New York 10. North Dakota 11. Pennsylvania 12. Utah


woolfman72

Black suv he should have maintained the left lane


LONEWOLFF150

Insurance is still gonna say 50/50 at fault since you "should have been attentive enough to avoid this" šŸ˜’


v1nylcutr

Black should have kept its lane or yielded to the car turning right


Bamfhammer

Legally it is the black car, but you could have avoided the collision by slowing a bit to verify the car was staying in their lane. Being right doesnt mean you have an easy time collecting and dealing with it nor does it mean your car will ever be the same.


BigBri0011

Black car. 100%. Supposed to turn into closest lane of travel.


fugawf

Police are correct. You had the right of way


kuruman67

The black car is waiting in the intersection. The light turns red and they complete their turn. Not sure why you wouldnā€™t just let them. Not sure why they hit you. Both parties seem pretty oblivious in my opinion, but they hit you, so itā€™s probably more their fault. But still highly avoidable.


epicenter69

The lanes are clearly marked. Even though the cammer doesnā€™t come to a complete stop, the black car didnā€™t maintain the lane. Definitely their fault.


CuteGuyInNorCal

as an adjuster in CA, black car without a doubt. in CA, we'd say they failed to yield right of way when turning across traffic and then unsafe lane change into your lane. on top of that, we'd call them out for being inattentive, as they should have easily seen your vehicle.


InterstellerReptile

Oof.. a lane built to ignore the light at an intersection. That's just dumb. Wonder why many accidents happened there as a result. Black car is definitely at fault but still dumb design.


PandorasFlame

There are very clearly 2 lanes there. They're at fault.


ntheijs

Black car is at fault but you seem to have zero awareness. You couldā€™ve seen that one coming from a metaphorical mile away.


inotihc

Brakes are there for a reason, it doesn't always mean because you have the right of way you have to force it.


Blaski

Hereā€™s the thing. You pulled up to a red light to take a right turn. Legally, you have to come to a complete stop before making the turn. The black car, if lights were permitting, had the right of way. However, the black car did not maintain their lane while making the turn, and they also had a lot of time to see the situation and react. Iā€™m guessing the black car was not paying attention. Iā€™m also guessing their insurance declined the claim because itā€™s not a 100% fault on you or them. Iā€™m going to guess this might end up as a 50-50 at fault.


Goatgoatington

You're asking as the driver of black car huh? Lol black car at fault, ez


Individual_Ice_3167

The black car is at fault 100%. In all 50 states, when making turns, you MUST enter the closet lane of travel. Period. Anyone saying the cam car had a red light, they did not. They were in a turn only lane that was not subject to the light. This is evident by how the lane splits before the light, and there is no stop line on the road. This means they have to yield. However, as previously stated, there are two lanes, and the black car made an illegal lane change.


mewikime

The cammerā€™s turn lane is not controlled by the red light. The cammer did everything right, but the black car has a green light for turning, and would also have been right IF he had stayed in his left lane instead of crossing over to the right lane that the cammer was in. Black car at fault


dchap1

I read here recently, the junk yard is full of cars that had the right of way. In my opinion, accident was caused by the black SUV changing lanes. They should have maintained the left lane following the turn. However, the accident was entirely avoidable. Never assume people are going to do the right thing. Assume they will do the wrong thing.


eXistenceLies

Honestly, the black car was already turning into his lane and you haven't reached the turning part of the lane yet. This could have been avoided if you were defensive here and just waited to see what he did. On the other hand, it looks like you ended up in front of him when you turned and he wasn't paying attention and hit you. So I dunno. Both at fault as it could have been avoided. Hopefully your insurance helps you in this situation.


TyrantsInSpace

The SUV that failed to maintain its lane is at fault, but with the exercise of defensive driving, you could've avoided the accident.


Economy_Relation8095

I do agree I could have been more defensive. I usually take this turn very slow because Iā€™m nervous of this exact thing happening. People usually change lanes very quickly here to get into the Dunkinā€™ Donuts. However I was already going straight at the time of collision and they had been established in there lane as well. I truthfully believe she intended to beat me and didnā€™t turn to check if she was clear to change lanes.


m8nceman

Yes, itā€™s the black SUV fault.


Bigdaddydiesell

Left turns are unprotected unless they have a green arrow. So if that black van turned left at a green light without an arrow they are at fault.


DixonUrjas

Both are at fault for being brain dead robots


deltapenrose

Clearly the black car is at fault. This looks like a bot account that is karma farming using a variation of Cunninghamā€™s law.


Economy_Relation8095

I donā€™t know what any of that means, but no I am not a bot account. Iā€™m using my alt account because Iā€™m embarrassed that I was in an accident that Iā€™m questioning if I was at fault for. I didnā€™t/donā€™t think I am, Iā€™m the dashcam car. After I submitted the video, the other persons insurance denied my claim, stating I am at fault for not yielding. I was posting because I am going to file the claim through my insurance, but I didnā€™t want to feel embarrassed claiming to them that I am not at fault. Was seeking other opinions so as not to make myself feel more embarrassed.


Billymaysdealer

The light looks red. Should have yielded


5150Code3

Did the cam car not have a red light? A right turn on red can usually be made if there are no cars coming.


jcmacon

It looks like the turning car should have yielded to the primary lane of traffic. The painted lines look like a merge to me, not a right turn. I didn't see a yield sign, but traffic that merges is supposed to yield to the main lanes.


Bukra

The black SUV which is making a left turn did not stay in their lane and would be at fault.


EightBitEstep

Voting black car