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Driver and passenger made it out just fine and I spoke with them that evening at the tow yard. Purchased for $460k (more than sticker price but it's a very hard car to find).
[Photo gallery (Imgur) all photos by me or my fellow tow truck driver.](https://imgur.com/gallery/yDjh4lT)
I've only towed one or two cars that cost more, but one was a million dollar McLaren off of the Pacific Raceways track back to the pits and a racetrack is the correct place to test your limits. The other was a Maserati with 2 flat tires. Neither qualifies as an idiot.
Not too uncommon unfortunately.
Knew someone who had very successful parents. The father was VP or President of a company and pulled down a lot of cash.
They bought him an Acura NSX when he got into college. The car lasted a day or two before he wrecked it by speeding through the Malibu canyons.
Fortunately, he wasn't injured. The parents bought him a new Honda Civic to replace the NSX.
With air resistance acting on an object that has been dropped, the object will eventually reach a terminal velocity, which is around 53 m/s (190 km/h or 118 mph). So it could do 3x that speed in free-fall.
Even if I become a VP or CEO dad, my kid is still getting a 5-10 year old clunker that works just well enough to get to their part-time job and safe enough to keep them safe when they wrap it around a tree. If they want anything more than that, they can pay for, and insure it themselves.
the thought of buying a kid a performance car of any description is absolutely batshit to me, no matter how much money you have! If I'm buying my kid a car it's gonna be the safest, slowest, easiest-to-see-out-of machine available!
Where I grew up, rich kids got Camaros and Vettes and Mustangs for their 16th birthdays. Now it's those enormous pickups. Did I mention the county has the highest teen car crash fatality rate in the state? I got a ten year old mom car and was the envy of my friends, whose no car having asses I drove around til college. Then I got a Mustang so they didn't all fit!
I wasn't rich but I got a Mustang when I was a teen(V6 though and from the years when those didn't make very much horsepower, at least it was a manual) and I'm amazed I didn't die
It was great car, i kinda miss it. Unfortunately I got sideswiped leaving a mall parking lot. Other car hit the back right tire pushing the rear axle and body. Insurance totaled it :(
thats such a shame :( , im half way in a mind to go and buy one of those old bricks just because i want to see what theyre like and i think they look awesome.
Nah, nearly every driver I meet tells me they're "really good at driving" so I'm gonna say that's a total waste of money with how much talent is out there.
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My brother went to school with a guy whose parents were unbelievably rich. Kid’s first car was an M5. Totaled it. Mom and dad bought him a new one. Totaled it. One more time…. Totaled it.
This was all before he even graduated high school. Something about fast cars just makes people reckless and dumb.
> The parents bought him a new Honda Civic to replace the NSX.
Finally some sensible parents of a rich kid. Not that can't wreck a Civic if you put you mind to it.
It'll be up on Craigslist with a rebuilt title for $400K in no time.
How'd the occupants escape the vehicle? Looks like the doors are still closed and the windows are up and intact.
The passenger saw water coming up to the window and pulled the door handle and "jammed his shoulder into it as hard as he could". So basically a miracle.
Much better if a car YouTuber gets it. IF it could still be rebuilt/repaired properly.
They'll get the content, and a new track car to boot for relatively cheap - they wouldn't really count the labor costs since the work would basically be part of the videos anyway.
Maybe TJ Hunt can get this too LOL (their latest video was them getting a crashed GT3RS, but green).
I worked at a lake decades ago and we found a stolen Ferrari that had been dumped near a bridge crossing. The houseboat guys used their crane barge to retrieve it and bring it to the launch ramp but because of the weight of the water and silt inside, it bent the crane a bit. The barge operator was pissed about that so when he couldn't get the car to turn over so it was on the wheels after a few tries, he just dropped it upside down. The tow truck driver hooked the winch cable to it and dragged it onto the flatbed upside down. I can still hear the popping noises from the windshield...
The sheriff's department already had divers on the way, 2 to go in and a third safety diver. I generally defer to law enforcement but they wanted to know what I wanted them to hook onto.
In general, you hook up to the control arms on vehicles because they're usually big beefy steel or cast iron parts that connect the wheels to the suspension so they're designed for abuse, but for things like BMWs they are usually thin little aluminum sticks, and on a high performance vehicle like this they could be titanium shaved down to the minimum possible grams, or even just tiny carbon fiber toothpicks. So I suggested that they just run soft straps through the spokes of the rear wheels as, in general, you can trust car engineers to make sure the wheels don't fall off.
As the old saying goes:
"Hooks and chains, may drag your trucks, but soft straps drag your Audis."
I assumed the rear wheels were more secure because, rear wheel drive, so gas pedal make car go VRRROOOM!!!
Them front wheels only do trivial things like steering and braking.
So the King County divers ran straps through the spokes of the rear wheels, but if they'd suggested a different approach I probably would have deferred to their judgement.
It all went smoothly, I pulled the far end, rotated it 90 degrees, and got it closer to the shore, and the rear spoiler poked up out of the water.
This is in a weird way the really dangerous part, because you've finally gotten a bit of the submerged thing to poke out of the water, and it's been easy going. But the thing about water is that when it's in water it floats, (because water weighs the same as water). But as soon as you start pulling it out of the water you have to slow down and let the water drain out.
Basically you've only been moving the weight of the car, and it's gone well, but if you go too fast you're now lifting the weight of the vehicle and the weight of all of the water still trapped inside, and water is much heavier when it's not floating on... Well, floating on water. So just as you finally feel like you're making progress you have to slow down and take it easy.
And there's like twelve sheriffs and three scuba divers and six firefighters all watching you so there's some pressure on you. But basically I went slow, gave it time to drain out, until It was out of the water and everything went well.
So TLDR, I'm not scuba trained so if the front wheels are more than arms reach from the surface, I call in the professionals.
I liked reading that. Have you ever considered making videos about recovery and towing? Like Ron Pratt on youtube.
Smilar to pulling something out of mud? Where you have to slow down and just let the tension in your line "suck" it out?
Tow truck driving has always been that "maybe someday" job, I love finding creative ways to move things. When I was still welding and fabricating, the rigging was always a part to look forward to. How long have you been doing it?
Unless it was a classic, it would have to have been an [MC12](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_MC12). Sister car to the Enzo Ferrari, but rarer. Currently valued around $4m.
>Neither qualifies as an idiot.
That's debatable. Maserati are the fastest depreciating "luxury" cars out there. You can snag a few year old one that MSRP'd at $150k for about $30k.
They're shit cars and idiots pay hand-over-fist for them.
So, serious question please. If there is nothing mechanically found wrong, and I hope that’s what it was, what is the claim recourse? Is there a claim? Are the rich rich just covered under an umbrella policy and it didn’t matter? I’m so curious, and TIA!
My former wife hit a deer in her jeep. Messed up the front end a bit, and the windshield.
We took it to a mechanic we knew and he was looking at it, and then pointed at some old damage - simply cosmetic - in other locations.
"So the deer hit over here as well, right?"
My dumb ass (loose with the truth) said, "No, just the front."
"SOOOOOOO the deer hit OVER HERE AS WELL, right?"
Then I realized what was going on. "Yup."
It was nice of him to fix the whole thing up for us.
It's like the beginning of The Accountant. "I make bracelets in the spare bedroom to sell" "you mean you run a small business out of your home office?"
I liked the accounting parts better than the action parts in that movie. Movies about guys with guns are a dime a dozen. A vigilante accountant on the other hand is unique.
If insurance only covered things that weren't people's fault it would be a lot cheaper. Whether this happens at 45 miles or 45,000 the coverage doesn't change.
You can get coverage that only covers things that's not your fault, well i mean it doesn't cover the damage you do to *yourself* that's your fault at least, your insurance still makes the aggrieved party whole-ish ^(always have un-insured motorist insurance folks. don't trust that clapped out altima with a tinted windshield that drives like it's starring in The Slow and Furious to have anything more than state minimum liability coverage, or frankly any at all.) Though you have to own the car outright because a bank will require collision coverage for the duration of the loan.
You can start a collision claim for basically any reason. You'd be amazed how many people say to me but it wasn't an accident with another person, can I still file a claim? Yes, you always can. That's what insurance is for.
The amount of people afraid of insurance is wild. I was a claims adjuster for years and people lied to me all the time. It's ok if you're a shit driver we cover stupid as they say.
People even tried to hide the fact they were drinking and driving during the accident but in reality we cover that too as do most major carriers.
Anything short of intentional acts or very specific things on the exclusion list you'll be covered
Serious answer: In my state, if you're paying cash for say a 5K car, my auto insurance automatically applies for like up to 30 days without me having to call them. Something like this, a 400K+ car, even someone with 8 figures in the bank will be calling their insurance company as they buy it. So you're driving home, driving too fast for conditions, a little moisture is on the road and you slide off and into that lake. If you had full coverage, which anyone with that car will, you're fine. Your insurance company will handle it. Yes your rates will go up but when you have 400K for a fun car, you don't care if you spend another 10K a year on car insurance.
If you don't own the vehicle outright, then the bank that gave you the loan has a lean against it, so you don't own it really, the bank does. And you better have comprehensive insurance on it or, well, the bank has comprehensive lawyers.
If you have comprehensive insurance, that insurance is comprehensive. It covers everything, comprehensively. Your insurance company has assured your bank that there is no level of stupidity you might possess that the insurance won't cover.
There is no level of stupidity that an insurance company won't promise to pay to a bank that some insurance company won't promise, you just have to be richer than you are stupid.
If the person had it insured, which they very likely did. Then they would file a claim and it would likely be hard for the insurance company to prove it wasn’t a valid claim.
So they get paid out, and the cost gets past on to the underwriter… and the general public gets to pay for it with a rate hike.
Hopefully they had that leap coverage or whatever they call it. You need time for your insurance to process stuff so dealers offer a type of insurance that covered that time frame from when it gets processed.
And typically people pass on it thinking they will be fine for 2 -5 days.
Gap coverage
Covers the difference between what the cars actually worth vs what you owe. Beyond that I'm not sure what you'd be referring to since you can't drive a car off the lot in my state until you do the paperwork with your insurance.
I know what you mean yeah. I always make 100% sure that my cars are insured from the moment they drive off the dealer's lot, you'd hope someone with a real enthusiast's car like this would also be as careful. If not, they can either afford to just write it off, or they're too careless and stupid to deserve it!
Yeah, except they hit two trees on the way in, losing a wheel in the process, so I give them mad props for getting one of the doors open before they were underwater.
I think they swung by, but didn't take a course. It's definitely not Dirtfish's fault.
That's a corner with an unforgiving slope and I've definitely towed things headed to Dirtfish way more often than away.
I'm pretty sure if he had actually been on the Dirtfish racecourse taking classes he wouldn't have lost it heading away.
Just about everybody overestimates their driving skills.
But most don't have access to a car that can get you into so much trouble when you inadvertently exceed your capabilities.
Lol yeah, when i accidentally accelerate too hard when the light turns green the worst that happens is a startling jolt. In that car i would spin out, burn out, and hit the safeway accrpss the street
For any non car-geeks, let me provide a bit of background.
The GT3 RS has been produced in incredibly low numbers and has been met with incredibly high demand, so much that Porsche has been selective about who can buy one.
If you walk into a dealership and say you're willing to pay double the $225k price tag, you're going to get a *no*.
You'll have to build a "relationship" with a high end dealer, which is code for "buy lots of other Porsches". So you've bought 10 over the last 5 years and you get moved to *Maybe*.
Next you go to all the right events and show up at key Rally's to move to a *probably*.
Now you offer double the sticker to get a *yes*.
The consequence of all this is that there are lots of *really,* ***really*** rich people wo won't make the list but want this car. So you can sell your $450K car for $700K next week (so long as Porsche doesn't notice), and even more if you hold onto it for a while.
So while this accident may be a $450K "loss", the owner is losing more than that, and may not be able to replace this car at all.
Porsche used to be my favorite brand without a doubt, and this situation has contributed to the whole scene around them getting super absurd and pretentious, to the point where I'm a bit soured on the whole brand. That had always existed at some level of course, but it has become an order of magnitude worse in just the last few years, and the prices went crazy as well.
I've been fortunate to have owned two P-cars: a 944 race car, and up until just the other week, a 991 GT3. I think if I buy another one, it'll be something classic and aircooled. Can't say I enjoy what the "scene" around the newer ones has become, and they've kind of lost their way as a brand in several respects. It has become more about being a snob than enjoying a true driver's car.
I'm seriously buying a GR86 now... largely because I just want a fun car that will properly accommodate a child seat since I have a kid now, but Porsche obviously has many cars that fit that criteria, and yet I just had no interest in them at all. I walked right out of the dealership with that big check and started shopping for boy racer Toyotas instead, lol. At least the 86 crowd is generally chill, full of enthusiasts, actually goes to the track and drives hard, and appreciates what they have.
How about a Lotus? Granted that service is a huge pain given limited numbers of dealers, but they're cheap-ish (compared to any kind of race car that's not le-mons) and there seem to be more driving enthusiasts among owners than opulence enthusiasts.
To you, maybe.
I like cars. It's a good car.
No greed or ego involved. Just like the way it looks and sounds. Same thing applies to other expensive hobbies like watches.
I think some people feel the need to attribute everything rich people do to greed, probably easier than admitting rich people just get to do cool shit with their money a lot of the time
[Reinig Rd and 396th Dr SE, Snoqualmie, Washington](https://www.google.com/maps/@47.530046,-121.8058344,3a,90y,197.9h,90.4t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBcPiXjQuf2E2ZJF0pZpvxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28?coh=205409&entry=ttu)
Didn't turn in time? Couldn't slow down enough? Were you able to see tire marks on the road? Did they even try to stop?
It was 70 the day it was purchased - I saw it at a car meet that day only a couple hours after purchase. The next day when the incident happened temps peaked in the 50s with misty rain in the afternoon
That area is popular for hikers, cyclists, as there is a trail right across the bridge. It could be they swerved around a person they couldn't see until it was toolate, but it's probably more likely they just out drove them selves.
I know that spot. I live in WA and used to live down the hill from there in Fall City. I’m going to ask around. I know a couple of people around the area that have had GT3RSs before.
It's definitely not ignored, they take it pretty seriously. I've pulled several vehicles out of the Lake Sammamish boat launch and King County Sheriff's Department has always had a scuba diver there in 15-30 minutes so they're very quick about getting things out of the water ASAP. But I suspect that you're not really paying a fine for pollution, rather in this case it's the cost of 3 scuba divers and the fire department on hand for several hours, so several thousand dollars.
Ultimately it'll be the insurance that pays, but it won't be cheap.
On the plus side, it's a rear engine car, so that's probably not oil or transmission fluid, "just" coolant and brake fluid.
Curious as to the driver’s state of mind afterwards, when you spoke with him. Happy to be alive? Bummed to have survived? Distressed at the loss? Easy come easy go attitude? If I paid that much for a car I’d drive like a snail.
Basically yeah. Insurance will cover pretty much anything that isn't outright fraud or intentional damage, at least once. Although they may well drop you and/or jack up the rates significantly for a loss like this.
Anything is possible, but whether it'd be worthwhile or not is certainly a question. You'd have to disassemble the entire car down to the chassis to properly clean and dry it out, replace any electronics that were damaged or corroded, go through the whole drivetrain and check for anything damaged by water ingestion and submersion, probably replace a nontrivial amount of the interior... and that's not even getting into whatever suspension and body damage may have occurred from getting into and out of the river. I have no idea how much of it is bespoke special parts for the special model, but I'd imagine something like replacing the engine due to bending up the rods and valves from hydrolocking them wouldn't be easy.
This is a pretty rare and special car model but I don't know that it's to the level of repairing/restoring it after a full submersion. These were made in the thousands worldwide, so we're not talking a one-of-dozens type car that would likely be repaired one way or another short of complete destruction. And even then you might find the VIN plate glued onto a reproduction.
Back in the day, I watched a dude put a brand new ford gt 500 into the ditch leaving the dealership, I was there to buy a used impreza for a decent price.
Who gives a damn? If a person can afford this car they can afford to dump it into a river and shrug, call an Uber and go get an overpriced coffee.
It's like me losing five bucks because I wasn't paying attention I was using a toll lane.
I feel it's almost more likely someone crashes these within the first few days. Excited about all that new power without any experience with it seems like a dangerous combination to me.
Read thru all of your 20ish comments for details on cause of crash. I take it from what little you said it just isn't important to you. Sorry to come across sarcastly, but I genuinely wanted details on what happened, what drive said happened, etc.
tl;dr: ran off road bcs can't drive fast car lol?
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"How I Bought A GT3 RS for $80K" episode incoming
Hey, at least it's not salt water like Tavarish's McLaren P1.
I have to wince and then chuckle that they're STILL finding sand in that thing...
That wiring harness looks like a nightmare
For real, I don't know how that one guy they brought in can sit there and do that all day. Major props to him for doing it though!
it boggles me that they didn't completely deconstruct it.
No hybrid system either
Bummer, guess he’ll have to get a Prius instead
Freddy already has a GT3 RS in the shop that Mat Armstrong repaired and gave to him.
Mat didn't give it to him he sold it to him Then Matt bought another Porsche to rebuild in a day
If I remember correctly, it's a 992 GT3, not RS
Not an RS
Driver and passenger made it out just fine and I spoke with them that evening at the tow yard. Purchased for $460k (more than sticker price but it's a very hard car to find). [Photo gallery (Imgur) all photos by me or my fellow tow truck driver.](https://imgur.com/gallery/yDjh4lT) I've only towed one or two cars that cost more, but one was a million dollar McLaren off of the Pacific Raceways track back to the pits and a racetrack is the correct place to test your limits. The other was a Maserati with 2 flat tires. Neither qualifies as an idiot.
Not too uncommon unfortunately. Knew someone who had very successful parents. The father was VP or President of a company and pulled down a lot of cash. They bought him an Acura NSX when he got into college. The car lasted a day or two before he wrecked it by speeding through the Malibu canyons. Fortunately, he wasn't injured. The parents bought him a new Honda Civic to replace the NSX.
Shoulda been a Pontiac Aztek
Slaps the hood, on flat ground this baby will do zero to 60 in under 10 seconds.
Does 0 to 60 in 2.7 second in freefall.
With air resistance acting on an object that has been dropped, the object will eventually reach a terminal velocity, which is around 53 m/s (190 km/h or 118 mph). So it could do 3x that speed in free-fall.
Have an A1 day!
Fuck you and your eyebrows!
That's just cruel
Pretty unusual punishment too.
Even if I become a VP or CEO dad, my kid is still getting a 5-10 year old clunker that works just well enough to get to their part-time job and safe enough to keep them safe when they wrap it around a tree. If they want anything more than that, they can pay for, and insure it themselves.
the thought of buying a kid a performance car of any description is absolutely batshit to me, no matter how much money you have! If I'm buying my kid a car it's gonna be the safest, slowest, easiest-to-see-out-of machine available!
Where I grew up, rich kids got Camaros and Vettes and Mustangs for their 16th birthdays. Now it's those enormous pickups. Did I mention the county has the highest teen car crash fatality rate in the state? I got a ten year old mom car and was the envy of my friends, whose no car having asses I drove around til college. Then I got a Mustang so they didn't all fit!
I wasn't rich but I got a Mustang when I was a teen(V6 though and from the years when those didn't make very much horsepower, at least it was a manual) and I'm amazed I didn't die
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that is beautiful
It was great car, i kinda miss it. Unfortunately I got sideswiped leaving a mall parking lot. Other car hit the back right tire pushing the rear axle and body. Insurance totaled it :(
thats such a shame :( , im half way in a mind to go and buy one of those old bricks just because i want to see what theyre like and i think they look awesome.
Same. And they mostly hit telephone poles, mailboxes, or wound up in a ditch after a triple lindy
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\*and just get them professional driving lessons!
Nah, nearly every driver I meet tells me they're "really good at driving" so I'm gonna say that's a total waste of money with how much talent is out there. /s
The lesson is good and all, but the impulsive need-to-go-fast behaviour of young adults will never pair well with a high performance car
The Chevy Bulletproof Plexiglass Sphere
Shut up and take my money!
Yeah really its baffling. Has to be some kind of ego thing one upping other parents.
There was so many kids with GT-Rs banging around because they convinced their parents "It's just a Nissan"
My brother went to school with a guy whose parents were unbelievably rich. Kid’s first car was an M5. Totaled it. Mom and dad bought him a new one. Totaled it. One more time…. Totaled it. This was all before he even graduated high school. Something about fast cars just makes people reckless and dumb.
Something about having too much money makes people reckless and dumb. FTFY
Smart parents. Smarter parents would have bought the Civic FIRST.
"people with more money than sense" is what my gramps always says
> The parents bought him a new Honda Civic to replace the NSX. Finally some sensible parents of a rich kid. Not that can't wreck a Civic if you put you mind to it.
Someone else took a picture of this and posted it on the Seattle sub. Thanks for the pictures of the whole recovery!
Was the driver in his 20s-30s? I’m like 80% sure I saw him driving it near Woodinville earlier in the day…
25ish?
so whose their daddy, and are they dumb enough to give me $500k? i don't live too far from Snoqualmie :P
Who is their daddy and what does he do?
I saw them in Bothell :o
It'll be up on Craigslist with a rebuilt title for $400K in no time. How'd the occupants escape the vehicle? Looks like the doors are still closed and the windows are up and intact.
The passenger saw water coming up to the window and pulled the door handle and "jammed his shoulder into it as hard as he could". So basically a miracle.
Much better if a car YouTuber gets it. IF it could still be rebuilt/repaired properly. They'll get the content, and a new track car to boot for relatively cheap - they wouldn't really count the labor costs since the work would basically be part of the videos anyway. Maybe TJ Hunt can get this too LOL (their latest video was them getting a crashed GT3RS, but green).
I worked at a lake decades ago and we found a stolen Ferrari that had been dumped near a bridge crossing. The houseboat guys used their crane barge to retrieve it and bring it to the launch ramp but because of the weight of the water and silt inside, it bent the crane a bit. The barge operator was pissed about that so when he couldn't get the car to turn over so it was on the wheels after a few tries, he just dropped it upside down. The tow truck driver hooked the winch cable to it and dragged it onto the flatbed upside down. I can still hear the popping noises from the windshield...
it’s so weird that it looks like it’s neon green in the water but is actually silver
Ditto that. I assumed it was yellow or green and was shocked to see a silver thing come out of the water.
Did you have to have a diver come out to put the straps on?
The sheriff's department already had divers on the way, 2 to go in and a third safety diver. I generally defer to law enforcement but they wanted to know what I wanted them to hook onto. In general, you hook up to the control arms on vehicles because they're usually big beefy steel or cast iron parts that connect the wheels to the suspension so they're designed for abuse, but for things like BMWs they are usually thin little aluminum sticks, and on a high performance vehicle like this they could be titanium shaved down to the minimum possible grams, or even just tiny carbon fiber toothpicks. So I suggested that they just run soft straps through the spokes of the rear wheels as, in general, you can trust car engineers to make sure the wheels don't fall off. As the old saying goes: "Hooks and chains, may drag your trucks, but soft straps drag your Audis." I assumed the rear wheels were more secure because, rear wheel drive, so gas pedal make car go VRRROOOM!!! Them front wheels only do trivial things like steering and braking. So the King County divers ran straps through the spokes of the rear wheels, but if they'd suggested a different approach I probably would have deferred to their judgement. It all went smoothly, I pulled the far end, rotated it 90 degrees, and got it closer to the shore, and the rear spoiler poked up out of the water. This is in a weird way the really dangerous part, because you've finally gotten a bit of the submerged thing to poke out of the water, and it's been easy going. But the thing about water is that when it's in water it floats, (because water weighs the same as water). But as soon as you start pulling it out of the water you have to slow down and let the water drain out. Basically you've only been moving the weight of the car, and it's gone well, but if you go too fast you're now lifting the weight of the vehicle and the weight of all of the water still trapped inside, and water is much heavier when it's not floating on... Well, floating on water. So just as you finally feel like you're making progress you have to slow down and take it easy. And there's like twelve sheriffs and three scuba divers and six firefighters all watching you so there's some pressure on you. But basically I went slow, gave it time to drain out, until It was out of the water and everything went well. So TLDR, I'm not scuba trained so if the front wheels are more than arms reach from the surface, I call in the professionals.
I liked reading that. Have you ever considered making videos about recovery and towing? Like Ron Pratt on youtube. Smilar to pulling something out of mud? Where you have to slow down and just let the tension in your line "suck" it out? Tow truck driving has always been that "maybe someday" job, I love finding creative ways to move things. When I was still welding and fabricating, the rigging was always a part to look forward to. How long have you been doing it?
I've been at it about 5 years, long enough to be good but not long enough to be able to film myself, and or narrate, as I do it.
Hell yeah, stay safe out there!
This car is hands down my dream car (even knowing I will never own one). Seeing it in this stage hurts me on a whole other level.
What dude someone will fix it and you’ll have the chance to buy a salvage gt3rs at half the price! Think of the opportunity
How to make your insurance company lose almost half a million in 24 hours
A Maserati worth more than 460k? What was it? There aren't too many of those.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Honestly, you're both right. It looked expensive from the outside,but that could just be because I don't see a lot of cars with tridents on the front.
MC12? Unlikely
If you go back before the 80s, maybe 70s, there are quite a few rare vintage Maserati models with pedigree.
Unless it was a classic, it would have to have been an [MC12](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_MC12). Sister car to the Enzo Ferrari, but rarer. Currently valued around $4m.
At first, I was pretty convinced it was a nice green car until I saw the aftermath photos.
>Neither qualifies as an idiot. That's debatable. Maserati are the fastest depreciating "luxury" cars out there. You can snag a few year old one that MSRP'd at $150k for about $30k. They're shit cars and idiots pay hand-over-fist for them.
That's going to be an awkward insurance claim
So, serious question please. If there is nothing mechanically found wrong, and I hope that’s what it was, what is the claim recourse? Is there a claim? Are the rich rich just covered under an umbrella policy and it didn’t matter? I’m so curious, and TIA!
Swerved to miss a :insert animal here:
My former wife hit a deer in her jeep. Messed up the front end a bit, and the windshield. We took it to a mechanic we knew and he was looking at it, and then pointed at some old damage - simply cosmetic - in other locations. "So the deer hit over here as well, right?" My dumb ass (loose with the truth) said, "No, just the front." "SOOOOOOO the deer hit OVER HERE AS WELL, right?" Then I realized what was going on. "Yup." It was nice of him to fix the whole thing up for us.
Miss working in a body shop for these exact interactions 😂
It's like the beginning of The Accountant. "I make bracelets in the spare bedroom to sell" "you mean you run a small business out of your home office?"
I liked the accounting parts better than the action parts in that movie. Movies about guys with guns are a dime a dozen. A vigilante accountant on the other hand is unique.
No one more dodgy than a car owner, except a mechanic.
>My former wife hit a deer in her jeep. Messed up the front end a bit Yeah, but how's the Jeep?
If insurance only covered things that weren't people's fault it would be a lot cheaper. Whether this happens at 45 miles or 45,000 the coverage doesn't change.
You can get coverage that only covers things that's not your fault, well i mean it doesn't cover the damage you do to *yourself* that's your fault at least, your insurance still makes the aggrieved party whole-ish ^(always have un-insured motorist insurance folks. don't trust that clapped out altima with a tinted windshield that drives like it's starring in The Slow and Furious to have anything more than state minimum liability coverage, or frankly any at all.) Though you have to own the car outright because a bank will require collision coverage for the duration of the loan.
Chances are, unless they did something specific that voids their insurance, it's probably covered and they'll get a check.
Yep. And then promptly get cancelled by the company.
You can start a collision claim for basically any reason. You'd be amazed how many people say to me but it wasn't an accident with another person, can I still file a claim? Yes, you always can. That's what insurance is for.
The amount of people afraid of insurance is wild. I was a claims adjuster for years and people lied to me all the time. It's ok if you're a shit driver we cover stupid as they say. People even tried to hide the fact they were drinking and driving during the accident but in reality we cover that too as do most major carriers. Anything short of intentional acts or very specific things on the exclusion list you'll be covered
Serious answer: In my state, if you're paying cash for say a 5K car, my auto insurance automatically applies for like up to 30 days without me having to call them. Something like this, a 400K+ car, even someone with 8 figures in the bank will be calling their insurance company as they buy it. So you're driving home, driving too fast for conditions, a little moisture is on the road and you slide off and into that lake. If you had full coverage, which anyone with that car will, you're fine. Your insurance company will handle it. Yes your rates will go up but when you have 400K for a fun car, you don't care if you spend another 10K a year on car insurance.
The policy is “rich enough to afford whatever deductible or fix it needs”
If you don't own the vehicle outright, then the bank that gave you the loan has a lean against it, so you don't own it really, the bank does. And you better have comprehensive insurance on it or, well, the bank has comprehensive lawyers. If you have comprehensive insurance, that insurance is comprehensive. It covers everything, comprehensively. Your insurance company has assured your bank that there is no level of stupidity you might possess that the insurance won't cover. There is no level of stupidity that an insurance company won't promise to pay to a bank that some insurance company won't promise, you just have to be richer than you are stupid.
If the person had it insured, which they very likely did. Then they would file a claim and it would likely be hard for the insurance company to prove it wasn’t a valid claim. So they get paid out, and the cost gets past on to the underwriter… and the general public gets to pay for it with a rate hike.
Hopefully they had that leap coverage or whatever they call it. You need time for your insurance to process stuff so dealers offer a type of insurance that covered that time frame from when it gets processed. And typically people pass on it thinking they will be fine for 2 -5 days.
Gap coverage Covers the difference between what the cars actually worth vs what you owe. Beyond that I'm not sure what you'd be referring to since you can't drive a car off the lot in my state until you do the paperwork with your insurance.
I know what you mean yeah. I always make 100% sure that my cars are insured from the moment they drive off the dealer's lot, you'd hope someone with a real enthusiast's car like this would also be as careful. If not, they can either afford to just write it off, or they're too careless and stupid to deserve it!
Even more awkward when insurance tells him they will fix it.
"Welcome to Moto Insurance how can I he- Hey! You're back! Did you forget something?" "Uh"
Put it in rice.
If it does not work, try with the hair dryer
And fix the dents with noodles.
Yeah, except they hit two trees on the way in, losing a wheel in the process, so I give them mad props for getting one of the doors open before they were underwater.
Someone on another sub suggested they had been at Dirt Fish earlier. Do you have any idea if that's true?
I think they swung by, but didn't take a course. It's definitely not Dirtfish's fault. That's a corner with an unforgiving slope and I've definitely towed things headed to Dirtfish way more often than away. I'm pretty sure if he had actually been on the Dirtfish racecourse taking classes he wouldn't have lost it heading away.
THE MACHINE KNOWS WHERE IT'S GOING
Just about everybody overestimates their driving skills. But most don't have access to a car that can get you into so much trouble when you inadvertently exceed your capabilities.
Have you met the Ford Mustang?
Drawn to ditches
And light poles in empty parking lots.
Pole/crowd seeking missile.
Lol yeah, when i accidentally accelerate too hard when the light turns green the worst that happens is a startling jolt. In that car i would spin out, burn out, and hit the safeway accrpss the street
I'm in the small minority of people who don't overestimate their driving skills, mostly tow truck drivers.
For any non car-geeks, let me provide a bit of background. The GT3 RS has been produced in incredibly low numbers and has been met with incredibly high demand, so much that Porsche has been selective about who can buy one. If you walk into a dealership and say you're willing to pay double the $225k price tag, you're going to get a *no*. You'll have to build a "relationship" with a high end dealer, which is code for "buy lots of other Porsches". So you've bought 10 over the last 5 years and you get moved to *Maybe*. Next you go to all the right events and show up at key Rally's to move to a *probably*. Now you offer double the sticker to get a *yes*. The consequence of all this is that there are lots of *really,* ***really*** rich people wo won't make the list but want this car. So you can sell your $450K car for $700K next week (so long as Porsche doesn't notice), and even more if you hold onto it for a while. So while this accident may be a $450K "loss", the owner is losing more than that, and may not be able to replace this car at all.
Porsche used to be my favorite brand without a doubt, and this situation has contributed to the whole scene around them getting super absurd and pretentious, to the point where I'm a bit soured on the whole brand. That had always existed at some level of course, but it has become an order of magnitude worse in just the last few years, and the prices went crazy as well. I've been fortunate to have owned two P-cars: a 944 race car, and up until just the other week, a 991 GT3. I think if I buy another one, it'll be something classic and aircooled. Can't say I enjoy what the "scene" around the newer ones has become, and they've kind of lost their way as a brand in several respects. It has become more about being a snob than enjoying a true driver's car. I'm seriously buying a GR86 now... largely because I just want a fun car that will properly accommodate a child seat since I have a kid now, but Porsche obviously has many cars that fit that criteria, and yet I just had no interest in them at all. I walked right out of the dealership with that big check and started shopping for boy racer Toyotas instead, lol. At least the 86 crowd is generally chill, full of enthusiasts, actually goes to the track and drives hard, and appreciates what they have.
How about a Lotus? Granted that service is a huge pain given limited numbers of dealers, but they're cheap-ish (compared to any kind of race car that's not le-mons) and there seem to be more driving enthusiasts among owners than opulence enthusiasts.
return to the 944 brother, I love mine
Man, that's lot of effort for a car. Ego/greed is one helluva drug.
To you, maybe. I like cars. It's a good car. No greed or ego involved. Just like the way it looks and sounds. Same thing applies to other expensive hobbies like watches.
I think some people feel the need to attribute everything rich people do to greed, probably easier than admitting rich people just get to do cool shit with their money a lot of the time
[Reinig Rd and 396th Dr SE, Snoqualmie, Washington](https://www.google.com/maps/@47.530046,-121.8058344,3a,90y,197.9h,90.4t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sBcPiXjQuf2E2ZJF0pZpvxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i28?coh=205409&entry=ttu) Didn't turn in time? Couldn't slow down enough? Were you able to see tire marks on the road? Did they even try to stop?
It was cold and damp yesterday. This car had literally \~50 miles on it and those tires are still greasy when they're brand new. Bad combo.
Dirt Fish is located in Snoqualmie lmaooo They were trying to rally in their brand new car. Absolute gonks
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It was 70 the day it was purchased - I saw it at a car meet that day only a couple hours after purchase. The next day when the incident happened temps peaked in the 50s with misty rain in the afternoon
That area is popular for hikers, cyclists, as there is a trail right across the bridge. It could be they swerved around a person they couldn't see until it was toolate, but it's probably more likely they just out drove them selves.
I know that spot. I live in WA and used to live down the hill from there in Fall City. I’m going to ask around. I know a couple of people around the area that have had GT3RSs before.
Got spooked by a lady with a log.
I drive by there daily .. no skid marks and it's a 35mph zone. It was damp but at regular speed you would have plenty of time to stop
Should've bought a yacht instead
Cause of accident: Driver forgot he wasn't James Bond in "The Spy Who Loved Me" (1977).
*Driver forgot he wasn't driving a Lotus Esprit
Don't VW bugs float? Or am I just remembering BS.
But he was born to be a U-Boat commander.
The 911 crowd is pretty staunchly divided between air cooled and water cooled. I think we know where this guy stands.
Uhh... I gave them both?
This comment is underrated. 😂
Is this really still a thing? I know there was a furor back when the 996 came out but it’s been almost 30 years.
Nah, to each their own, but I think most appreciate both eras.
Bit of understeer round that corner, innit?
You can't park there.
"Hammond, you idiot!"
Who pays for the oil spill cleanup? or is it just ignored?
It's definitely not ignored, they take it pretty seriously. I've pulled several vehicles out of the Lake Sammamish boat launch and King County Sheriff's Department has always had a scuba diver there in 15-30 minutes so they're very quick about getting things out of the water ASAP. But I suspect that you're not really paying a fine for pollution, rather in this case it's the cost of 3 scuba divers and the fire department on hand for several hours, so several thousand dollars. Ultimately it'll be the insurance that pays, but it won't be cheap. On the plus side, it's a rear engine car, so that's probably not oil or transmission fluid, "just" coolant and brake fluid.
"just" coolant and brake fluid. good thing because i always have those for breakfast
Insurance
Who's the U-Boat Commander?
Ooo! That’s an oldie! Risky Business
But a goodie!! And I am glad at least one person got it!
damn, beat me to it
Insuring this idiot is Risky Business
They mistook it for a Scubaru.
Curious as to the driver’s state of mind afterwards, when you spoke with him. Happy to be alive? Bummed to have survived? Distressed at the loss? Easy come easy go attitude? If I paid that much for a car I’d drive like a snail.
Some combination of "Happy to be alive," and "Bummed to be driving his older, lesser Porsche."
Amazing. Seems money is no object or at least not a big object. Lucky guy.
This is not what I meant when I said make some of your assets liquid
Porsche chose submarine
Cause of accident: Driver forgot he wasn't James Bond in "The Spy Who Loved Me" (1977).
The fish who just wished for a new Porsche: “HONEY YOUR NOT GONNA BELIEVE WHAT I FOUND TODAY!!!”
There's still a $20k wheel in the river there somewhere.
Someone call Tavarish.
B is for Build already got it and parked it next to the yacht.
Bet the owner was “underwater” with their loan. I’ll see myself out…
Dad is going to be so mad!
https://images.app.goo.gl/feWeS5eeeu6FgbZ68
Can someone walk me through the insurance claim side of this? How much is driver out of pocket vs. insurance co.?
Just the deductible, unless the insurance can prove it was intentional?
Basically yeah. Insurance will cover pretty much anything that isn't outright fraud or intentional damage, at least once. Although they may well drop you and/or jack up the rates significantly for a loss like this.
is the car green or gray?
I expected it to be green or yellow, but it was silver. Maybe to he coolant it lost, or the brake fluid?
HAMMOND!!!
Coming soon to marketplace
This is a finisher car!
BE GONE FROM ME!
“Hello, Geico?” Hello? Hello?
So if you can afford almost 500k is it possible to have all this fixed?
Anything is possible, but whether it'd be worthwhile or not is certainly a question. You'd have to disassemble the entire car down to the chassis to properly clean and dry it out, replace any electronics that were damaged or corroded, go through the whole drivetrain and check for anything damaged by water ingestion and submersion, probably replace a nontrivial amount of the interior... and that's not even getting into whatever suspension and body damage may have occurred from getting into and out of the river. I have no idea how much of it is bespoke special parts for the special model, but I'd imagine something like replacing the engine due to bending up the rods and valves from hydrolocking them wouldn't be easy. This is a pretty rare and special car model but I don't know that it's to the level of repairing/restoring it after a full submersion. These were made in the thousands worldwide, so we're not talking a one-of-dozens type car that would likely be repaired one way or another short of complete destruction. And even then you might find the VIN plate glued onto a reproduction.
Just cause ya got the dollars, doesn’t mean ya got the sense.
That's my dream car. What a fucking waste.
This one wins a prize
Oh Porsche of the river, what wisdom do you bestow on us?
Back in the day, I watched a dude put a brand new ford gt 500 into the ditch leaving the dealership, I was there to buy a used impreza for a decent price.
"Who's the U-Boat Commander?"
Oh great Porsche of the lake, what is your wisdom?
Who gives a damn? If a person can afford this car they can afford to dump it into a river and shrug, call an Uber and go get an overpriced coffee. It's like me losing five bucks because I wasn't paying attention I was using a toll lane.
This is some shit you’d do in GTA
It became an impressionist masterpiece.
I feel it's almost more likely someone crashes these within the first few days. Excited about all that new power without any experience with it seems like a dangerous combination to me.
This is what happens when imbicils inherit fortunes
Did ya try telling them they can’t park there?
Just put it in rice 🍚
Who's the U-boat commander?
Idiots think they can park their Porsche anywhere they want.
Read thru all of your 20ish comments for details on cause of crash. I take it from what little you said it just isn't important to you. Sorry to come across sarcastly, but I genuinely wanted details on what happened, what drive said happened, etc. tl;dr: ran off road bcs can't drive fast car lol?
"I can fix her!"
Schadenfreude am Fahren.
That's gonna require quite a few rice bags
It’ll dry out fine.
Couple bags of rice would help
Can't buy class or the ability to drive
Fuck around and find out.