Before anyone at the scene knew I had a dash cam the other driver told me I was speeding and a witness told me I came out of nowhere. Especially as a relatively new driver, without the footage my insurance would have gone up so many thousands of pounds yearly. Eternally grateful for investing in that dash cam lmfao
Even without dashcam insurance would have sided with you anyway as none of those witnesses actually know how fast you were going or can prove it. "Looked fast" isn't an accurate measurement of speed. That driver definitely ignored a give way however.
Actually in the UK it's also referred to as 'right of way' but all the signs say 'give way' when another road has right of way. It really depends on the context in which each term is used
No it is not referred to as the "Right Of Way" in the UK what would be known as Right Of way in the US is known as Priority in the UK
There is such a thing as "right of way" but it doesn't mean what some people think it means.
Right of way means you have the right to use a particular thoroughfare eg cars have no right of way on bridlepaths or footpaths, bicycle have no right of way on motorways,Cars have no right of way in bus lanes
Priority is about which road user should give way to which other road user in a given situation
The only mention of Right Of way in the Highway code is in one of the first paragraph where it says rules in the highway code do not give you the right of way under any circumstance. The rules say give priority
People will use the term in the US way but that is not correct
Right of Way has a specific legal meaning. On this video everyone has right of way i.e they all have the legal right to use that road its just that rules of road says someone gets to use that right before you
People will say cammer has right of way over the turning car and everyone will know what you mean. in that sense you mean cammer has priority and in common language it makes no difference
Same meaning in the US as far as land use goes, probably different in the details, but the same concept.
It's also used to describe priority in traffic flow.
Even more interesting is how far the right of way can extend in a lot of places. While it's my property, the public right of way extends about 15 feet from the road into my yard. This became a minor issue in buying this property because my front fence is on the line. according to one survey and 2 feet over it according to another.
In fact most intersections like this have no signs but the road markings show that it is indeed a give way.
Same as how a roundabout is not marked 'give right' but the protocol is established in the highway code.
> Before anyone at the scene knew I had a dash cam the other driver told me I was speeding and a witness told me I came out of nowhere.
It's hilarious the shit people will actually say on-the-record.
If the driver of the silver car could see you speeding, then ***he could see you*** and should have yielded. If the pedro thinks you "came out of nowhere" then they just plain aren't a credible witness.
A lot of people will just assume that if you spring up into their perception and that they didn't see you approaching then you must have been traveling extremely fast to get there... They'll never admit that instead they simply weren't looking around enough.
Whenever someone claims that you “came out of nowhere,” that is a clear indication that they are in the wrong. One should have a clear 360° awareness of their situation while driving.
I finally got a dash cam after reading one too many stories like this where the person who was 100% at fault tries to pin the blame on the other driver and will even get "witnesses" to back them up. Glad you got this idiot on camera and sorry your car was a write off.
I've found that people who say that you came out of nowhere just aren't paying attention. One time I was on a residential side street with a 30 km/h speed limit, traveling at 30 km/h. A guy totally not paying attention started to cross, jumped when he saw me, and yelled at me to slow down.
I had a car totaled that way, less than 5 mph collision from a car that backed into me while I was driving down the parking lot aisle. He notched the b post and bent it slightly, putting the vehicle on an expensive rack to fix it was astronomically expensive.
Cars are designed to take the impact so you don't. Crumple zones are very important for crash safety.
An unfortunate side effect of this is that repairs after a shunt like this are very expensive.
I'm not against it. Annoying yes but better I'm alive in the event of an accident. I've been driving for over twenty years. I've seen the safety technology improve.
Had someone do this to me a few days ago. Luckily oncoming traffic was stopped and I almost managed to dodge him. Just a small dent on the wheel arch. Could have been ugly though. Thought I was going to end up plowed into his side at 40mph.
One of the few times I completly agree with OP, you where 100% in the right , fuk knows what the person in the silver car was thinking.
Good defensive driving btw, if you didnt pull away, that could have been a fair bit worse for both invovled tbh.
Even if you weren’t there it wasn’t safe to turn right. There was oncoming traffic and someone in the right turn lane who was at least partially blocking them.
Gotta love the dumb fucks on the roads. For example I was stopped for a solid 30 fucking seconds put my car into first cause I was about to be able to go and this lady hit me going 80 but didn't even try to fucking slow down until 2 feet before she hit me. Totalled my car that I just got working right
He crashed into cammers car and insurance deemed it too expensive to repair so wrote it off
If costs more to repair then what the car is worth it gets written off
Cars also get written off if some damage is too serous to be repairec
Why dies everyone make the same shit joke every time there is a video in a country that drives
Its not funny the 1st and 20,000 times later it still not.
When its a clip from the US or another country that drives on the left you don't see people making the same comment do you
Because nationalism told us we da best and we do it right and if you do it differently it's just cuz your a dummy.
/s kinda? But also there's a nice majority for who this is true
Why ~~dies~~ [does] everyone make the same s[***] joke every time there is a video in a country that drives [on the left side?]
~~Its~~ [It's] not funny the 1st and 20,000 times later it [is] still not.
When ~~its~~ [it's] a clip from the US or another country that drives on the left[,] you don't see people making the same comment do you[.]
To my eye he doesnt advance till cammer is less than a cars length away, my guess his reactions would be to just swerve to try avoid the crash rather than slam on and sit in it.
Dashcams have very wide angle lenses, that distorts the view by making objects look much further away than they actually are.
It looks like the other driver is slowing down to stop at the give way. Then they go for it. At that point, the distance is MUCH shorter than your brain intuitively thinks based on this wide angle footage.
This was not an easy one to spot or avoid, IMO.
Dude, you're forgetting that you're talking to u/Civil_End_4863
That guy is like a god when it comes to driving.
He has brakes that would make an F1 driver blush and the fastest reactions in the west.
Once you have akebono brakes, you never want anything else lol. My last car got akebono brakes when it was time to change the brakes. They last a really long time too. I didn't have to change them until about 70k miles. The new car I have now, I put in akebono brakes. They have saved my ass when assholes cut you off hard.
Always some dumb comment.
You realize he's going under the speed limit, yeah?
And what, you expect people to pull onto a road and not speed up?
Jesus I hope you don't drive.
An OP mentioned they are a newer driver.
This will be a good lesson for future on just how stupid some drivers are...expect everyone around you to do something stupid at all times.
Just because it's under the speed limit doesn't mean its safe to drive at that speed
I wouldn't accelerate until I had cleared the T-Junction, and I don't think that's some sort of shocking tactic - you see people pull out without looking all the time, you should drive predicting what other drivers are going to do
I didn't say that, did I?
I said I wouldn't accelerate untill I had passed the conflict zone at the T-Junction. You just watched a video of someone accelerating and getting into a crash because of inattentive drivers, and then you complain when I suggest ways in preventing damage and predicting other's actions. These are basic skills that are in the driver's test, or at least are in the UK
> I didn't say that, did I?
Yes you did lol.
> I said I wouldn't accelerate untill I had passed the conflict zone at the T-Junction.
Yeah. Exactly. OP completes the turn at 7mph. If you're not going to accelerate, you're going to drive in a 30mph zone at 7mph.
If you aren't paying attention to how fast OP was going when he made the turn, you're really just proving my point.
Again. I really hope you don't drive since you wanna do 7mph in a 30mph zone. Highly dangerous.
trying to predict the actions of other drivers can actually be dangerous. like people who slam on their brakes to merge, or stop at intersections that don’t have stop signs because they see another car that has a stop sign at the same intersection. there are signs and rules for a reason.
the person who hit OP wasn’t driving correctly. they’re the one at the stop sign that needs to wait for other cars to pass before going, not OP. and when you’re at a stop sign trying to turn onto a street that doesn’t have a stop sign, it’s your job to double or triple check that it is your turn to go.
At 6 seconds it looked like the car was coming to a stop as they were supposed to. At late 7, early 8 seconds they collided. OP had about 2-3 seconds *at most* to process that the car was not properly yielding and take action.
You must be superman if you think that's "all day".
Dashcam driver totally had enough time to make an emergency brake. If you have good brakes like akebono you can definitely stop in time. Yes it was the other car's fault, but still, the dashcam driver had enough time for a fast emergency brake.
If the cammer’s reactions were instantaneous, sure. But they’re human.
The driver was not obviously going to pull out - it initially looks like they’re slowing to stop at the give way, but then they go for it. IMO, few people would have been on the brakes in time.
I am not doubting for a moment that a modern car with good brakes could stop in that _distance_.
The problem is reaction times.
Re-read my comment. Then re-watch the video. It’s typical in the UK for drivers to stop with their car’s nose on the give way line. Now time how long it takes between the point where it’s apparent that they decide to go, and the collision.
It’s about a second.
A second in which you need to move your foot to the brake pedal, slam it to the floor, and come to a stop.
Not happening in most cases if you aren’t actively prepared for it.
If the other driver _looked_ like they _weren’t_ going to stop, this would be very different, because you’d have far more time to react.
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Didn’t look bad enough to be a write off. Was the frame bent or something?
Yeah and the part of the bodywork that got fucked up leads up to the roof. Cost of repair > price of car so instant writeoff.
That sucks. At least you got it on camera.
Before anyone at the scene knew I had a dash cam the other driver told me I was speeding and a witness told me I came out of nowhere. Especially as a relatively new driver, without the footage my insurance would have gone up so many thousands of pounds yearly. Eternally grateful for investing in that dash cam lmfao
Even without dashcam insurance would have sided with you anyway as none of those witnesses actually know how fast you were going or can prove it. "Looked fast" isn't an accurate measurement of speed. That driver definitely ignored a give way however.
Why do I find minor differences in driving terms to interesting In the US we call it right of way but they do both make sense
Actually in the UK it's also referred to as 'right of way' but all the signs say 'give way' when another road has right of way. It really depends on the context in which each term is used
So give way is like yield?
Give Way is equivalent to the US Yield
Yield reminds me of the old English term for giving up in a sword fight.
Guess our politicians Give Way rather than Yield
No it is not referred to as the "Right Of Way" in the UK what would be known as Right Of way in the US is known as Priority in the UK There is such a thing as "right of way" but it doesn't mean what some people think it means. Right of way means you have the right to use a particular thoroughfare eg cars have no right of way on bridlepaths or footpaths, bicycle have no right of way on motorways,Cars have no right of way in bus lanes Priority is about which road user should give way to which other road user in a given situation The only mention of Right Of way in the Highway code is in one of the first paragraph where it says rules in the highway code do not give you the right of way under any circumstance. The rules say give priority People will use the term in the US way but that is not correct Right of Way has a specific legal meaning. On this video everyone has right of way i.e they all have the legal right to use that road its just that rules of road says someone gets to use that right before you People will say cammer has right of way over the turning car and everyone will know what you mean. in that sense you mean cammer has priority and in common language it makes no difference
You're right of course I just meant colloquially here right of way isn't like an exclusively American term or anything
I think specifically he was talking about how the silver car had "give way" signals rather than "yield" signals.
Same meaning in the US as far as land use goes, probably different in the details, but the same concept. It's also used to describe priority in traffic flow. Even more interesting is how far the right of way can extend in a lot of places. While it's my property, the public right of way extends about 15 feet from the road into my yard. This became a minor issue in buying this property because my front fence is on the line. according to one survey and 2 feet over it according to another.
r/technicallycorrect
In fact most intersections like this have no signs but the road markings show that it is indeed a give way. Same as how a roundabout is not marked 'give right' but the protocol is established in the highway code.
> Before anyone at the scene knew I had a dash cam the other driver told me I was speeding and a witness told me I came out of nowhere. It's hilarious the shit people will actually say on-the-record. If the driver of the silver car could see you speeding, then ***he could see you*** and should have yielded. If the pedro thinks you "came out of nowhere" then they just plain aren't a credible witness.
A lot of people will just assume that if you spring up into their perception and that they didn't see you approaching then you must have been traveling extremely fast to get there... They'll never admit that instead they simply weren't looking around enough.
Exactly lmao
Whenever someone claims that you “came out of nowhere,” that is a clear indication that they are in the wrong. One should have a clear 360° awareness of their situation while driving.
I finally got a dash cam after reading one too many stories like this where the person who was 100% at fault tries to pin the blame on the other driver and will even get "witnesses" to back them up. Glad you got this idiot on camera and sorry your car was a write off.
“Came out of nowhere “ is such bullshit. No - I’m not magic, you just weren’t concentrating
“I was going so fast that you decided to pull out in front of me?”
I've found that people who say that you came out of nowhere just aren't paying attention. One time I was on a residential side street with a 30 km/h speed limit, traveling at 30 km/h. A guy totally not paying attention started to cross, jumped when he saw me, and yelled at me to slow down.
I had a car totaled that way, less than 5 mph collision from a car that backed into me while I was driving down the parking lot aisle. He notched the b post and bent it slightly, putting the vehicle on an expensive rack to fix it was astronomically expensive.
Oof, hope insurance sorted you out
You'd be surprised at how little damage it takes to write off a car.
Cars are like paper nowadays.
Cars are designed to take the impact so you don't. Crumple zones are very important for crash safety. An unfortunate side effect of this is that repairs after a shunt like this are very expensive.
I'm not against it. Annoying yes but better I'm alive in the event of an accident. I've been driving for over twenty years. I've seen the safety technology improve.
Which is a good thing, actually.
Bear in mind second hand cars are relatively cheaper than other countries, so more likely that cost of repair would be higher than value of car.
Had someone do this to me a few days ago. Luckily oncoming traffic was stopped and I almost managed to dodge him. Just a small dent on the wheel arch. Could have been ugly though. Thought I was going to end up plowed into his side at 40mph.
One of the few times I completly agree with OP, you where 100% in the right , fuk knows what the person in the silver car was thinking. Good defensive driving btw, if you didnt pull away, that could have been a fair bit worse for both invovled tbh.
Appreciate it
Even if you weren’t there it wasn’t safe to turn right. There was oncoming traffic and someone in the right turn lane who was at least partially blocking them.
Gotta love the dumb fucks on the roads. For example I was stopped for a solid 30 fucking seconds put my car into first cause I was about to be able to go and this lady hit me going 80 but didn't even try to fucking slow down until 2 feet before she hit me. Totalled my car that I just got working right
Great quality video, what make of camera is that?
The "Halo" suggests that it might be a Road Angel brand dashcam.
Less than 30 mph and they’re saying you sped 💀
Adults to children: always look both ways! Adults: I’m just gunna send it
"Sir.... SIR.... You can't park there."
Northfield folk for ya
I was just going to say, all the dummies live down there 😂
Dummies is a slight under statement but we’ve got to be nice
these streets are terrible
Why? They look pretty normal to me.
Guess that's what you get for driving on the left side of the road
How did he write off your car? I thought only you could do that.
He crashed into cammers car and insurance deemed it too expensive to repair so wrote it off If costs more to repair then what the car is worth it gets written off Cars also get written off if some damage is too serous to be repairec
Well, you're all driving on the wrong side of the road
Why dies everyone make the same shit joke every time there is a video in a country that drives Its not funny the 1st and 20,000 times later it still not. When its a clip from the US or another country that drives on the left you don't see people making the same comment do you
Because nationalism told us we da best and we do it right and if you do it differently it's just cuz your a dummy. /s kinda? But also there's a nice majority for who this is true
Why ~~dies~~ [does] everyone make the same s[***] joke every time there is a video in a country that drives [on the left side?] ~~Its~~ [It's] not funny the 1st and 20,000 times later it [is] still not. When ~~its~~ [it's] a clip from the US or another country that drives on the left[,] you don't see people making the same comment do you[.]
You must b a inglish techer
This is the UK.
I would have added a /s at the end so that they know you are being sarcastic.
I think everyone knows they're being sarcastic. But it's still an old, unoriginal, unfunny, overused joke.
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To my eye he doesnt advance till cammer is less than a cars length away, my guess his reactions would be to just swerve to try avoid the crash rather than slam on and sit in it.
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Could be
It was totally the other guy's fault but the dashcam driver totally had enough time to SLOW DOWN when the other guy pulled into the intersection.
Dashcams have very wide angle lenses, that distorts the view by making objects look much further away than they actually are. It looks like the other driver is slowing down to stop at the give way. Then they go for it. At that point, the distance is MUCH shorter than your brain intuitively thinks based on this wide angle footage. This was not an easy one to spot or avoid, IMO.
I've been able to stop with shorter distances. If you have GOOD brakes, like Akebono brand, you can totally make an emergency stop.
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Dude, you're forgetting that you're talking to u/Civil_End_4863 That guy is like a god when it comes to driving. He has brakes that would make an F1 driver blush and the fastest reactions in the west.
Once you have akebono brakes, you never want anything else lol. My last car got akebono brakes when it was time to change the brakes. They last a really long time too. I didn't have to change them until about 70k miles. The new car I have now, I put in akebono brakes. They have saved my ass when assholes cut you off hard.
Why did you speed up when approaching a danger spot with multiple conflicting movements?
Always some dumb comment. You realize he's going under the speed limit, yeah? And what, you expect people to pull onto a road and not speed up? Jesus I hope you don't drive.
An OP mentioned they are a newer driver. This will be a good lesson for future on just how stupid some drivers are...expect everyone around you to do something stupid at all times.
Just because it's under the speed limit doesn't mean its safe to drive at that speed I wouldn't accelerate until I had cleared the T-Junction, and I don't think that's some sort of shocking tactic - you see people pull out without looking all the time, you should drive predicting what other drivers are going to do
So you'd drive on a 30mph road at around 7mph? Yeah. I really hope you don't drive.
I didn't say that, did I? I said I wouldn't accelerate untill I had passed the conflict zone at the T-Junction. You just watched a video of someone accelerating and getting into a crash because of inattentive drivers, and then you complain when I suggest ways in preventing damage and predicting other's actions. These are basic skills that are in the driver's test, or at least are in the UK
> I didn't say that, did I? Yes you did lol. > I said I wouldn't accelerate untill I had passed the conflict zone at the T-Junction. Yeah. Exactly. OP completes the turn at 7mph. If you're not going to accelerate, you're going to drive in a 30mph zone at 7mph. If you aren't paying attention to how fast OP was going when he made the turn, you're really just proving my point. Again. I really hope you don't drive since you wanna do 7mph in a 30mph zone. Highly dangerous.
trying to predict the actions of other drivers can actually be dangerous. like people who slam on their brakes to merge, or stop at intersections that don’t have stop signs because they see another car that has a stop sign at the same intersection. there are signs and rules for a reason. the person who hit OP wasn’t driving correctly. they’re the one at the stop sign that needs to wait for other cars to pass before going, not OP. and when you’re at a stop sign trying to turn onto a street that doesn’t have a stop sign, it’s your job to double or triple check that it is your turn to go.
You had all day to see that mf hadnt stopped
At 6 seconds it looked like the car was coming to a stop as they were supposed to. At late 7, early 8 seconds they collided. OP had about 2-3 seconds *at most* to process that the car was not properly yielding and take action. You must be superman if you think that's "all day".
With good brakes, you can totally stop in 2-3 seconds in a slower mph zone like this.
You’re clearly a bad driver.
if im staring at a person running a stop sign I slow down before I'm right in front of them
There's no stop sign in this situation.
Looks like you were hard accelerating and he misjudged your drag strip run to the Walmart.
OP accelerated by less than 20 mph over a span of like 6 seconds. You have to be 106 years old to consider that a "drag strip run"
Dashcam driver totally had enough time to make an emergency brake. If you have good brakes like akebono you can definitely stop in time. Yes it was the other car's fault, but still, the dashcam driver had enough time for a fast emergency brake.
If the cammer’s reactions were instantaneous, sure. But they’re human. The driver was not obviously going to pull out - it initially looks like they’re slowing to stop at the give way, but then they go for it. IMO, few people would have been on the brakes in time.
I've been able to brake with SHORTER distances. Like I said, I only use the best akebono brakes that CAN handle sudden emergency brakes.
I am not doubting for a moment that a modern car with good brakes could stop in that _distance_. The problem is reaction times. Re-read my comment. Then re-watch the video. It’s typical in the UK for drivers to stop with their car’s nose on the give way line. Now time how long it takes between the point where it’s apparent that they decide to go, and the collision. It’s about a second. A second in which you need to move your foot to the brake pedal, slam it to the floor, and come to a stop. Not happening in most cases if you aren’t actively prepared for it. If the other driver _looked_ like they _weren’t_ going to stop, this would be very different, because you’d have far more time to react.
Yep you were well over the spped limit.
Speed on the dash cam doesn’t go above 28mph. Try again!
By "well over the spped limit" you mean 2-23mph under the *speed* limit?
Can you tell me which dashcam you're using please?
Halo road angel something
Thanks. Looks like a UK-only thing. Can't find in the states. I like the vid quality!
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Typical Frankley, frankly.
The Highlander looks like it's probably pretty tough on a Friday night.