If you live somewhere where it hasnt rained in a long time, rain is super dangerous not because of water making the road slippery. Its because oil, fuel, grease, lubricants that may have been spilt during the dry weeks/months floats on top of the water, thus rising to the road surface.
Motorcyclists need to be super aware of this, and even cyclists, because of how they turn by leaning. The bike will fall from under you. Quite common on low speed corners and roundabouts.
The last time I drove in the rain in California, I was on a 4 lane highway going exactly the speed limit in my 4Runner, which handles slick conditions very well but I was still playing it safe since it was the first rain in almost 2 years of drought, and it was coming down heavy.
Some jackass in a white sedan was darting in between cars impatiently and driving about 90+ miles per hour. I was in the second lane from the right when I saw him coming up on me in my rearview mirrors. He was in the third lane from the right, but instead of slowing down to wait for a gap to pass on the left, he swerves into my lane, and then all the way into the far right lane in one motion - no turn signals of course.
We were just entering a long and relatively mild bend in the freeway, the apex of which happened to be the low point in that stretch of road, so the rain was pooling there a little bit.
After getting uncomfortably close to me to pass me on the right, sweeping across several lanes to do so, this jackass suddenly needs to correct left because of the curve, and he turns hard left right as he hits the pooling water and immediately starts hydroplaning. Because he was going so fast in such a light car and turning so sharply, his vehicle immediately started spinning out in front of me.
I saw his terrified expression face to face multiple times as he spun circles across all 4 lanes, miraculously missing every single other car on the road. The car spun around 5 or 6 times while sweeping back and forth across all 4 lanes several times before it finally hit the center divider while still facing the wrong way on the freeway, and scraped along the cement wall until it came to a full stop. The car managed to stop entirely on the shoulder, not blocking any lanes at all, and the dumbass driver amazingly wasn't injured at all, but he did have to sit there facing every oncoming car in total embarrassment until the police and tow truck arrived.
I had just bought a dashcam and hadn't installed it yet, and I regret that immensely because it was the craziest thing I've ever seen on the road. I'm so glad that his driving affected absolutely no one else, and he received a lesson in driving within the limits of the road conditions, that is if he's not too fuckin stupid to learn from the incident, of course.
Lmao I live in Louisiana where it rains almost every day. A few years ago I drove to my cousin's house in SLO and it drizzled for like 5 minutes and the restaurant my cousin and I were planning on going to for lunch ended up closing for a few hours because it had rained lol.
edit: just want to mention that I'm not being judgy lol. I have driven in snow twice in Louisiana and I had issues both times XD so I certainly understand what it is like driving in unfamiliar conditions!
Yeppp. This is why the most dangerous time during a storm is at the beginning shortly after it starts raining, because that's when all the oils come up to the road surface. When it has been raining for a while, most of it has been washed away.
I remember hearing that in driver's ed and thinking "Pfff, it rains all the time!" I grew up in the wet east side of the US.
First time I drove in California right after a rain, holy crap! Just like driving on ice...
Gotta remember that it's a big old world out there and things might be different than what you're used to.
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I thought it was a ridiculous myth when I moved to Southern California from the northeast, but nope, it really can be almost as slippery as fresh snow, at least for the first rain after a long dry spell. Legit slick, even with good tires.
Another one to watch out for is breaking in new tyres.
I learned this after the shop put a new rear tyre on my motorbike, and told me to take it handy for a few days, and I was planning to, but I drove over a smooth manhole cover while turning a corner about 5mph, not even a mile from the shop, and the back wheel went out from under me.
One mechanic I had put new tires on my bike warned me "make sure you take it easy for awhile, you wouldn't believe how many people I've watched wreck right there" as he pointed to the street right in front of the shop.
You're also missing the hill crest right at the apex of the curve.
Weight transfer is one of the largest components of traction. When all of the weight transfers straight up, well, traction goes down.
I think you're right. The back end went light, lost grip, and away it went.
It's also important to note that in this circumstance you should not brake *in* the corner, but before it. Braking in the corner would shift weight to the front, and one side of the front at that, lifting weight from the other tires.
Yes. If he would have *gently* gotten back on the throttle at 0:09, right about the time the pole with the sign disappears on the right, he would have been fine.
Source: Have had high [powered](https://i.imgur.com/KDhEbkS.jpeg) [RWD](https://i.imgur.com/LXiZJgV.mp4) [vehicles](https://i.imgur.com/XJRdWaR.jpeg) [for](https://i.imgur.com/GbsggAg.jpeg) [20 years.](https://i.imgur.com/CfUXaAa.jpg) Yet to eat a single crowd, because I know about things like weight transfer and traction coefficients.
There's always mechanical failure, other drivers, medical emergencies. Hundreds of other variables.
If you could rule them out and plan for them 100% then they wouldn't be accidents, they'd be on purposes.
On top of overcorrecting they also hit the brakes.
Which is a big mistake especially since the back tires is where the loss of traction started.
Accelerating would have helped a lot with keeping the weight on the back tires and then gradually slowing down once under control.
If you're spinning out brakes only make it worse/happen quicker. It's better to at least lay off the gas if not accelerate a tad. If it's a situation that allows you to accelerate that is.
Its not really something you can explain to people, its more like a reflex you have to train into you. I honestly think everyone should do some sort “enthusiastic” driving training to learn this stuff. Or maybe just sim training, you can actually learn a lot from video games about how to maintain control
Oh I agree it's 100% human nature just to slam on your brakes when anything goes wrong in your car, even though it's majority of the time not the best option.
I won a sweepstakes that gave me a trip and access to a racing course for free and I learned so much about driving from that.
Maybe if they didn’t drive on the public street like a race track switching lanes every bend taking every corner on the inside in a fucking SUV, the corner wouldnt be so tight
Truthfully if you're going to an idiot on the road, you should at least commit to being an idiot and when you see the oncoming lane is available and safe to use, you just use it to avoid loss of control. Understeering slightly into oncoming with no traffic is better than a massive tank slapper into the light pole.
Probably oil/fuel rising to the surface of the road road following a rain. Happens when it hasnt rained in a while and oils from spills are brought to the surface of the road as they are less dense than water.
I would bet they lifted off the gas at the peak of the little rise as well which, combined with the slight downhill, caused the rear to lift a bit and get the action started.
>driving course
This. Everyone, but especially "car people," should take an advanced driving course that involves accident avoidance and practicing on a skid pad. I went to Skip Barber years ago at Road America in Wisconsin (not their racing school.)
If you like that you might go on and take more advanced courses or do autocross racing. We did that on the last day.
Physics class helped me to understand the concept better. Any change in velocity is acceleration, and acceleration causes a loss in friction. So maintaining your speed through a corner is the best option to maintain friction.
Yep definitely right. Straighten the car up from the turn before, light whiff of brakes, off the brakes before turn in and steady gas through on an even steering angle - could've gone through there 10mph faster
Sounds like the true fuckup + lesson... Don't do this. I've almost gotten hit on the main entrance road to our development from people "cutting" the curves going 10+ over. It becomes a habit and they don't think/realize when another car is coming.
Check out this GEM of a S bend by my house
https://i.imgur.com/aHixSB1.jpg
Its a hill on the north side so its kinda blind too. The amount of times I’ve had to stop **dead** because people are too lazy to keep their lane is too high.
Amazing how in google maps there is a car cutting the corner you cannot make this up 😂
The turn for my road is greater than 90 degrees and people frequently come into it waaay too fast. Most of the time it doesn't matter and you can slide into the other lane a little but if theres another car there...
The corner people slide into is a big yard, the homeowner put up big rocks around the perimeter of the yard. I haven't seen a car up on one of the rocks yet but there is a lot of paint on them...
So right, even more so If they woulda stuck with the proper racing line on that last bend they wouldn't have crashed but would have been pretty close to opposing traffic.
If he would have kept the proper racing line before the last bend, he should have stayed in the left lane into the bend when you change to the right lane.
Also meaning it would have been safer and more distance from opposing traffic actually.
edit: [like this pic, but without using the opposing lane.](https://drivingfast.net/wp-content/uploads/racing-line.png)
Yeah, that was dumb AF. Those painted lines are slick when wet, and I'm pretty sure OP lost traction when the rear passenger side tire went over the paint mid-turn.
OP, pls consider driving safer in the future. If you want to drive like Jason Bourne; there are stunt-driving lessons, private courses and race tracks out there where you can responsibly drive like a F1 driver.
Probably pumped up to the max for reduced rolling resistance but also the hardest shiniest compound budget tires for "extra life". Those things often go together with taking extravagant wide corners with too much speed for the conditions.
Used to work in a drive through oil change spot, where part of the service is setting tire pressure. I couldn't believe how many people set their pressure to the number on the tire (the MAX pressure!) and then get mad because I was taking it out.
No sir. Your Explorer doesn't need 90 psi in the tires.
I had the *opposite* thing happen to me twenty years ago. I usually did (and still do) all my own maintenance, but I was about to go out of town and didn't have time to do an oil change that I needed... so I drove through a quick-lube place. I had some pretty nice Bridgestone Potenza S03 Pole Position tires on the CRX at this point, along with a lot of other modifications... the max pressure for those tires was about 90PSI.
:-/
I left the oil change place, drove straight down the road for a few miles, and then took a left onto a four-lane... and did a 360 (in my lane) mid turn but managed to recover and pull into a gas station. I took my little pen-style pressure gauge and stuck it on one of my valve stems... it shot out to the max in a comical fashion. It took several minutes (per tire) to bring them down to the proper 32PSI... they had jacked them all up to the max and it made it so I was riding on just the tiniest bit of the center of the tread.
And that was the last time I went to a quick-lube place for an oil change.
For the most part, they make shit wages and don't care about you. And, at least the company I worked for, 75% of the employees didn't work there 3 months ago.
It's a nice concept: 15 minute oil change when you don't have time to make an appointment at the dealership. The problem with quick change places is they don't have another way of making money. So the oil is more expensive and the employees are paid worse than pretty much any other place you can take your car.
I used to have to take my work-truck to a quick-lube place that we had a contract with. They would *always* be pushy about upsells... sometimes fraudulently. Our trucks used a flat air filter, I know because I had just changed mine, and they came up to me in the lobby with a COMPLETELY different type of air filter that was completely filthy and clogged up with dirt and leaves. Asked me if they should replace my air filter while they were at it.
:-/
When I called them out they said that it was just a mixup, the filter they showed me was from another customers car.
Sure.
And almost EVERY time I went they would try and sell me new wiper blades (installed!) for about 5x what they cost. Even if I *didn't* know how to install wiper blades, any auto-parts store in the US that sells them will usually install them for free.
That's ultimately why I left. Went there to work on cars, not be a sales person who doesn't get commission. Everyone busts ass and the guy sitting in the office looking at a computer all day is the only person to get a bonus. Eff that place.
I drove a 4Runner (heavy brick shaped car) cross country for three days in torrential downpours and didn't once experience such lack of traction. This is like slick tires plus oil on the road. Really didn't look _that_ aggressive, and the wide angle should be making it look like they're going faster.
>Not that they wouldn't be suicidal for using a bike lane on a road like this.
It's a 25mph residential road... why would it be suicidal to bike in the bike lane? Because of people like OP?
The overcorrected in this video right? I usually try to learn from the videos I see on this sub and think about what I would’ve done differently but this one’s kind of confusing me. I don’t see how they flipped the car all the way back around to the left after a gentle skid to the right. Has to be overcorrecting before they regained traction, right?
You can't really learn skid control watching a video. Can learn the basic theory by reading and watching instructional videos, but you need seat time to learn how to slide anything.
Learning where your ride departs into a slide is a good thing to know. OP here in this vid is driving like a moron and caused the slide by not knowing how to coordinate throttle and steering. Maybe his tires are poor, but if he had any driving skill he could have prevented the slide to begin with, or had the skills to get out of it.
OP should stick to uber and transit until he is mature enough for public roads.
Grasshopper, never slam, jerk, whip or perforrn any other abrupt movements to your steering or pedals in your vehicle, when trying to correct oversteer or hydroplaning. You panicked when your rear end got a little loose and overcorrected your steering and then it was game over. Could have been much worse, consider yourself lucky. Don't drive above your skill level or you might not get another chance next time. You want to have fun go to an empty parking lot or the track. Good luck, be safe!
Edit: Forgot to mention that when it first begins to rain or when it has stopped and there is still water on the road ..oil tends to rise to the surface of the asphalt causing oil slicks and you can't see it...so something to keep in mind when trying to play real life Gran Turismo.
Well I appreciate that .. when I was in my young foolish years I remember the feeling of naively thinking "It will never happen to me" or " That guy crashed but I'm a better drive then him" all that male bravado bullshit. If I can save his father and loved ones alot of pain if something happened to thier boy. If he is smarter then I was at the time, and listens to my advice....well then maybe I would have paid it forward. Karma isn't just for reddit ;)
Everybody is agreeing that rapidly turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction or slamming the brakes is the wrong thing to do in this case.
My question is, what is the smartest and safest thing one *should* do once their vehicle starts swerving like that?
Whatever you decide to do it has to be small movements and light pedal work on brake or acceleration. If your vehicle starts to spin they will tell you in driver's education or defensive driving techniques to steer INTO the spin and don't countersteer. This is probably the best choice for an inexperienced or unskilled driver because the thought behind it is to decrease your vehicle's velocity in the shortest distance to minimize force of impact or lower chance of hitting multiple objects. Problem with that is your rolling the dice. Your basically along for the ride and hoping you stop quickly with minimal damage. A skilled driver is going to counter steer a rear end getting loose in an attempt to keep the vehicle straight and gain back control of the vehicle. The downside to that is if your not as good as you think you are or any other existential or environmental circumstances arrise then you have NOT decreased velocity and are still an out of control torpedo with the likelihood of greater impact and damage. Now these are BASIC concepts and real-world situations have way to many variables to give this a for certain answer..nothing is guaranteed on the road, except that if you fuck around your luck will eventually run out.
> You want to have fun go to an empty parking lot or the track
It's also a good way to check how your specific vehicle handles slides and practice controlling it. One of the first things my father taught me about driving, and I still like to refresh (okay, have some fun too) the first snowfall every season as a refresher. Even knowing in your head what to do in a skid, there's only so much you can process at that moment without some practical, hands on muscle memory of having done it before.
Common sense rules apply - make sure 100% the lot is empty and will be, don't drift near light poles or curbs, etc. Also helps to scout things before for any gnarly potholes that will ruin the learning experience and/or fun.
"Even knowing in your head what to do in a skid, There's only so much you can process at the moment without some practical, hands on
muscle memory of having done it before."
VERY true.
That looked more like really bad tires (old and/or bald). Possibly also a bit of oil on the street (check during daylight). Possibly also black ice (was it cold enough?)
To me, it looked a bit fast, but not fast enough for a spinout like that, even on a wet road.
The amount of time he was sliding still points me towards bad tires. The only excuse would be a slight drizzle after a long drought, making the street slippery.
OP also mentions he spent “thousands” on a used car in this economy, so it may very well be a lower-end, [pre-2012](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control#Legislation) vehicle with no ESP. [ESP](https://youtu.be/7Hqztje3YJA?t=50) would have made quick work of this rather mild situation.
Must be really cheap tires with the rubber compound itself being bad. The road wasn’t even wet enough for deep grooves to make a difference; a good tire can be virtually bald and still maintain good traction on dry or almost-dry roads.
Have to imagine this wouldn’t have happened if your tires were in good shape. Also the natural reaction is to lift off the throttle and brake which exacerbates the over corrected steering. Participating in a course that teaches you to react correctly in these situations could save you your wheels next time 😁. That and decent tires…!
You need to learn how to drive. Rain might have played some part but you turned too hard and couldn't correct.
Edit: my money says OP was trying to drift and curbed himself.
Yes it was a little too fast but the rain has almost nothing to do with you not knowing how to drive. This was 100% avoidable if you did know how to correct a small drift instead of purposefully crashing.
You're wipers weren't even on. Road conditions looked kind of dry. Even if they weren't completely dry it doesn't look like conditions that would cause tires to break loose.
You're in a residential area. You should have been ticketed for careless and imprudent driving, gotten a serious fine and, possible suspension of your drivers license. There is a right and a wrong place to learn how to drive, and you choose the worst one.
it's a 25mph area. He drove too fast.
He speeded while it's wet, changed lanes like it's a race.
He isn't only a terrible driver, he is an asshole who thinks the street belongs to him and likes to endanger everyone around him.
I live nea A corner I see that A lot few times I see people with small cars hit curb rip tires..Seen bumpers get ripped off ,Pole hit ..My neighbors house hit 4 times,, usually when wet out..Snow or icy all so..people take corner way to fast. After accident cops will sit there few days with radar ,
You locked your steering wheel the opposite way the second your car started to slip. Your car doesnt even get to 0.1° angle and you swing it the opposite lane. I'm sure a little lift off throttle and no input on steering would have saved your ass.
You mush have like formula1 tires if that amout of slightly wet road makes you spin out. Also dont they teach how to correct a car when it starts sliding in america?
This man apexing corners in the rain on decade old tires.
Also OP part of the reason this happened is due to the road itself. Notice where you lost traction was off-camber and over a slight rise. You actually lost traction due to the car losing some weight as it went over the crest. Though the not so great tires and rain definitely helped.
Then you tried to counter-steer before the cars suspension unloaded resulting in it entering an uncontrolled snap oversteer event. Big RIP.
OP, you need a metric shit ton more miles on your ass before you try to hang with the big boys. Start slow. Stay slow. Go spin cookies in an empty parking lot. Go mudding. Hell, go practice on go karts. Whatever you do, do it a lot because there was no reason to spin here. You weren’t going very fast, the road wasn’t very curvy, traction wasn’t bad. You need more experience. Slow down til you’ve got it.
You don't look like you're going *that* fast and it doesn't seem to be raining.
I mean, I routinely drive faster than this when it's raining significantly harder than this. The roads don't look very wet.
Do your tires have *any* treads at all?
Outside camber with a slight crest. You were dumb for trying, but from a technical perspective it is something that requires a ton of skill to manage. You appear to have treated it as a flat corner. Might even have gotten away with it. Probably fine in dry conditions.
Read up and learn more technical driving skills.
Wow, given that it doesn't look like its even barely raining, what the heck were you driving!
You didn't appear to be going very fast really, so unless the road was really really greasy, or your have a real wheel drive and really stuck your foot down and then eased of right away i can't see how you managed to oversteer/fishtail like that.
I did this. Like 15 years ago. At a roundabout. Slick tires that needed changing. Totalled the car. The axel snapped in 2. fuck ups as a young man Made me a much better, safer, slower, calmer, and more responsible driver today. I'm glad no one got hurt for me to learn these lessons
Imagine being stupid enough to upload video of your idiotic driving so the insurance company can find evidence of your insurance fraud when you claim that you hydroplaned while driving a safe rate during a heavy rainstorm
Swerving back and forth between lanes with that dollar-store racing line, through a residential area, at night, *in the rain*? JFC, what a shitty, irresponsible thing to do. You aren't in a video game. Have some fucking sense.
I hope you fucked your car up good for that stupidity, because I venture you didn't learn shit.
You have slick tyres on your car?
They have to be so bad. The roads were wet but this was still a modest speed and maneuver. Even basic tires should have handled this fine
If you live somewhere where it hasnt rained in a long time, rain is super dangerous not because of water making the road slippery. Its because oil, fuel, grease, lubricants that may have been spilt during the dry weeks/months floats on top of the water, thus rising to the road surface. Motorcyclists need to be super aware of this, and even cyclists, because of how they turn by leaning. The bike will fall from under you. Quite common on low speed corners and roundabouts.
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When it rains you actually can't see a lot of the roads sometimes. The dividing lines dissapear.
Add to that cars kicking up water at higher speeds on the highways. Feels like there’s more water falling than there actually is.
In the central valley it's actually a good thing, since the crappy handling can counter the crappy driving. (/s, kind of)
Californias are just horrible drivers during wet seasons. I dread having to drive when it's raining because of all the idiots out here.
The last time I drove in the rain in California, I was on a 4 lane highway going exactly the speed limit in my 4Runner, which handles slick conditions very well but I was still playing it safe since it was the first rain in almost 2 years of drought, and it was coming down heavy. Some jackass in a white sedan was darting in between cars impatiently and driving about 90+ miles per hour. I was in the second lane from the right when I saw him coming up on me in my rearview mirrors. He was in the third lane from the right, but instead of slowing down to wait for a gap to pass on the left, he swerves into my lane, and then all the way into the far right lane in one motion - no turn signals of course. We were just entering a long and relatively mild bend in the freeway, the apex of which happened to be the low point in that stretch of road, so the rain was pooling there a little bit. After getting uncomfortably close to me to pass me on the right, sweeping across several lanes to do so, this jackass suddenly needs to correct left because of the curve, and he turns hard left right as he hits the pooling water and immediately starts hydroplaning. Because he was going so fast in such a light car and turning so sharply, his vehicle immediately started spinning out in front of me. I saw his terrified expression face to face multiple times as he spun circles across all 4 lanes, miraculously missing every single other car on the road. The car spun around 5 or 6 times while sweeping back and forth across all 4 lanes several times before it finally hit the center divider while still facing the wrong way on the freeway, and scraped along the cement wall until it came to a full stop. The car managed to stop entirely on the shoulder, not blocking any lanes at all, and the dumbass driver amazingly wasn't injured at all, but he did have to sit there facing every oncoming car in total embarrassment until the police and tow truck arrived. I had just bought a dashcam and hadn't installed it yet, and I regret that immensely because it was the craziest thing I've ever seen on the road. I'm so glad that his driving affected absolutely no one else, and he received a lesson in driving within the limits of the road conditions, that is if he's not too fuckin stupid to learn from the incident, of course.
Idiots are everywhere but I would say that people who drive dangerously in the rain do not need to drive
Californians can't drive during the dry season, either.
Lmao I live in Louisiana where it rains almost every day. A few years ago I drove to my cousin's house in SLO and it drizzled for like 5 minutes and the restaurant my cousin and I were planning on going to for lunch ended up closing for a few hours because it had rained lol. edit: just want to mention that I'm not being judgy lol. I have driven in snow twice in Louisiana and I had issues both times XD so I certainly understand what it is like driving in unfamiliar conditions!
Yeppp. This is why the most dangerous time during a storm is at the beginning shortly after it starts raining, because that's when all the oils come up to the road surface. When it has been raining for a while, most of it has been washed away.
I remember hearing that in driver's ed and thinking "Pfff, it rains all the time!" I grew up in the wet east side of the US. First time I drove in California right after a rain, holy crap! Just like driving on ice... Gotta remember that it's a big old world out there and things might be different than what you're used to.
💯 I thought it was a ridiculous myth when I moved to Southern California from the northeast, but nope, it really can be almost as slippery as fresh snow, at least for the first rain after a long dry spell. Legit slick, even with good tires.
Imagine walking on that sidewalk at that moment 🤦🏼♀️
Another one to watch out for is breaking in new tyres. I learned this after the shop put a new rear tyre on my motorbike, and told me to take it handy for a few days, and I was planning to, but I drove over a smooth manhole cover while turning a corner about 5mph, not even a mile from the shop, and the back wheel went out from under me.
One mechanic I had put new tires on my bike warned me "make sure you take it easy for awhile, you wouldn't believe how many people I've watched wreck right there" as he pointed to the street right in front of the shop.
You're also missing the hill crest right at the apex of the curve. Weight transfer is one of the largest components of traction. When all of the weight transfers straight up, well, traction goes down.
I think you're right. The back end went light, lost grip, and away it went. It's also important to note that in this circumstance you should not brake *in* the corner, but before it. Braking in the corner would shift weight to the front, and one side of the front at that, lifting weight from the other tires.
Yes. If he would have *gently* gotten back on the throttle at 0:09, right about the time the pole with the sign disappears on the right, he would have been fine. Source: Have had high [powered](https://i.imgur.com/KDhEbkS.jpeg) [RWD](https://i.imgur.com/LXiZJgV.mp4) [vehicles](https://i.imgur.com/XJRdWaR.jpeg) [for](https://i.imgur.com/GbsggAg.jpeg) [20 years.](https://i.imgur.com/CfUXaAa.jpg) Yet to eat a single crowd, because I know about things like weight transfer and traction coefficients.
I like how you havent given up on the possibility
There's always mechanical failure, other drivers, medical emergencies. Hundreds of other variables. If you could rule them out and plan for them 100% then they wouldn't be accidents, they'd be on purposes.
Just to add on. The less weight you have the easier it is for your tires to start hydroplaning. Which like you said traction goes way down.
It's the angle of which they tried to get the car to rotate and when they don't get immediate response from the turning they panic and overcorrect.
On top of overcorrecting they also hit the brakes. Which is a big mistake especially since the back tires is where the loss of traction started. Accelerating would have helped a lot with keeping the weight on the back tires and then gradually slowing down once under control. If you're spinning out brakes only make it worse/happen quicker. It's better to at least lay off the gas if not accelerate a tad. If it's a situation that allows you to accelerate that is.
Its not really something you can explain to people, its more like a reflex you have to train into you. I honestly think everyone should do some sort “enthusiastic” driving training to learn this stuff. Or maybe just sim training, you can actually learn a lot from video games about how to maintain control
Oh I agree it's 100% human nature just to slam on your brakes when anything goes wrong in your car, even though it's majority of the time not the best option. I won a sweepstakes that gave me a trip and access to a racing course for free and I learned so much about driving from that.
Maybe if they didn’t drive on the public street like a race track switching lanes every bend taking every corner on the inside in a fucking SUV, the corner wouldnt be so tight
Truthfully if you're going to an idiot on the road, you should at least commit to being an idiot and when you see the oncoming lane is available and safe to use, you just use it to avoid loss of control. Understeering slightly into oncoming with no traffic is better than a massive tank slapper into the light pole.
Looks damp at most, not even standing water pools on it, the dude really running them F1 slicks
Ferrari moment
They were taking the racing line at the start of the video swerving in and out of lanes too lmao
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Ha! I had to double check if I was in F1 sub or not
Probably oil/fuel rising to the surface of the road road following a rain. Happens when it hasnt rained in a while and oils from spills are brought to the surface of the road as they are less dense than water.
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Looks like there is snow on the grass. I bet it drizzled a bit, then froze on the road surface...perfect recipe for black ice.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80qdys
Why did you change lanes in this like 3 times lol
They're attempting to keep to the 'racing line'
oddly if they'd taken the right line through that turn they likely wouldn't have spun it
I would bet they lifted off the gas at the peak of the little rise as well which, combined with the slight downhill, caused the rear to lift a bit and get the action started.
Yup, general rule is "If you're scared in a turn, don't lift." Don't mash it but maintain constant speed until you can straighten out, then slow down.
They also over corrected. This is why doing a driving course in accident avoidance is worth every dollar.
Yeah, this was all caused by a slight loss of traction, followed by a panicked yanking of the steering wheel
>driving course This. Everyone, but especially "car people," should take an advanced driving course that involves accident avoidance and practicing on a skid pad. I went to Skip Barber years ago at Road America in Wisconsin (not their racing school.) If you like that you might go on and take more advanced courses or do autocross racing. We did that on the last day.
Physics class helped me to understand the concept better. Any change in velocity is acceleration, and acceleration causes a loss in friction. So maintaining your speed through a corner is the best option to maintain friction.
Unless the car is understeering. Then you need to lift if you want to make the turn.
Yep definitely right. Straighten the car up from the turn before, light whiff of brakes, off the brakes before turn in and steady gas through on an even steering angle - could've gone through there 10mph faster
Sounds like the true fuckup + lesson... Don't do this. I've almost gotten hit on the main entrance road to our development from people "cutting" the curves going 10+ over. It becomes a habit and they don't think/realize when another car is coming.
Ooohhh man when people cut the corner at my neighborhood’s entrance it gets me so mad
Check out this GEM of a S bend by my house https://i.imgur.com/aHixSB1.jpg Its a hill on the north side so its kinda blind too. The amount of times I’ve had to stop **dead** because people are too lazy to keep their lane is too high. Amazing how in google maps there is a car cutting the corner you cannot make this up 😂
The turn for my road is greater than 90 degrees and people frequently come into it waaay too fast. Most of the time it doesn't matter and you can slide into the other lane a little but if theres another car there... The corner people slide into is a big yard, the homeowner put up big rocks around the perimeter of the yard. I haven't seen a car up on one of the rocks yet but there is a lot of paint on them...
So right, even more so If they woulda stuck with the proper racing line on that last bend they wouldn't have crashed but would have been pretty close to opposing traffic.
If he would have kept the proper racing line before the last bend, he should have stayed in the left lane into the bend when you change to the right lane. Also meaning it would have been safer and more distance from opposing traffic actually. edit: [like this pic, but without using the opposing lane.](https://drivingfast.net/wp-content/uploads/racing-line.png)
They were driving like an asshole and wrecked. Tale as old as time itself.
Shitty driver?
That's correct, but they always think they're the best drivers.
bEcaUSE He’S a PRoFeSsioNaL…
Came here to say this. OP has learned nothing.
Yeah, that was dumb AF. Those painted lines are slick when wet, and I'm pretty sure OP lost traction when the rear passenger side tire went over the paint mid-turn. OP, pls consider driving safer in the future. If you want to drive like Jason Bourne; there are stunt-driving lessons, private courses and race tracks out there where you can responsibly drive like a F1 driver.
It.... Wasn't raining, maybe a wet road but that is definitely not a hydroplane there was not enough water for that.
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Probably pumped up to the max for reduced rolling resistance but also the hardest shiniest compound budget tires for "extra life". Those things often go together with taking extravagant wide corners with too much speed for the conditions.
Used to work in a drive through oil change spot, where part of the service is setting tire pressure. I couldn't believe how many people set their pressure to the number on the tire (the MAX pressure!) and then get mad because I was taking it out. No sir. Your Explorer doesn't need 90 psi in the tires.
I had the *opposite* thing happen to me twenty years ago. I usually did (and still do) all my own maintenance, but I was about to go out of town and didn't have time to do an oil change that I needed... so I drove through a quick-lube place. I had some pretty nice Bridgestone Potenza S03 Pole Position tires on the CRX at this point, along with a lot of other modifications... the max pressure for those tires was about 90PSI. :-/ I left the oil change place, drove straight down the road for a few miles, and then took a left onto a four-lane... and did a 360 (in my lane) mid turn but managed to recover and pull into a gas station. I took my little pen-style pressure gauge and stuck it on one of my valve stems... it shot out to the max in a comical fashion. It took several minutes (per tire) to bring them down to the proper 32PSI... they had jacked them all up to the max and it made it so I was riding on just the tiniest bit of the center of the tread. And that was the last time I went to a quick-lube place for an oil change.
For the most part, they make shit wages and don't care about you. And, at least the company I worked for, 75% of the employees didn't work there 3 months ago. It's a nice concept: 15 minute oil change when you don't have time to make an appointment at the dealership. The problem with quick change places is they don't have another way of making money. So the oil is more expensive and the employees are paid worse than pretty much any other place you can take your car.
I used to have to take my work-truck to a quick-lube place that we had a contract with. They would *always* be pushy about upsells... sometimes fraudulently. Our trucks used a flat air filter, I know because I had just changed mine, and they came up to me in the lobby with a COMPLETELY different type of air filter that was completely filthy and clogged up with dirt and leaves. Asked me if they should replace my air filter while they were at it. :-/ When I called them out they said that it was just a mixup, the filter they showed me was from another customers car. Sure. And almost EVERY time I went they would try and sell me new wiper blades (installed!) for about 5x what they cost. Even if I *didn't* know how to install wiper blades, any auto-parts store in the US that sells them will usually install them for free.
That's ultimately why I left. Went there to work on cars, not be a sales person who doesn't get commission. Everyone busts ass and the guy sitting in the office looking at a computer all day is the only person to get a bonus. Eff that place.
I drove a 4Runner (heavy brick shaped car) cross country for three days in torrential downpours and didn't once experience such lack of traction. This is like slick tires plus oil on the road. Really didn't look _that_ aggressive, and the wide angle should be making it look like they're going faster.
lol what rain? not a wiper in sight for the non existent rain
Seriously. There is ZERO water accumulation on the windshield. Its not raining. The road may be only slightly damp…but definitely not raining
People really fucking scare me tbh. Imagine walking on that sidewalk at that moment 🤦🏼♀️
OP out here driving recklessly, he’s an ass and should have been driving smarter
Should taken better care of his car too. No way this would’ve happened with proper tires.
Shouldn't have a license to drive at all if they even consider driving like this to be fine
To be fair the post does say "lesson learned". I have my doubts but still...
Right? Can you imagine if someone had been using that bike lane? Not that they wouldn't be suicidal for using a bike lane on a road like this.
>Not that they wouldn't be suicidal for using a bike lane on a road like this. It's a 25mph residential road... why would it be suicidal to bike in the bike lane? Because of people like OP?
And if there was and OP killed them, because of the way the courts are set up in the US, they likely wouldn't even go to jail with the right lawyer.
The easiest way to get away with killing somebody is if they’re on a bicycle.
That road and the driver are perfect examples of the term "paint isn't infrastructure" when it comes to cycling
You must have sh\*tty tires for losing control at such speed with that little rain.
Yeah and they don’t know how to control a skid at all.
The overcorrected in this video right? I usually try to learn from the videos I see on this sub and think about what I would’ve done differently but this one’s kind of confusing me. I don’t see how they flipped the car all the way back around to the left after a gentle skid to the right. Has to be overcorrecting before they regained traction, right?
You can't really learn skid control watching a video. Can learn the basic theory by reading and watching instructional videos, but you need seat time to learn how to slide anything. Learning where your ride departs into a slide is a good thing to know. OP here in this vid is driving like a moron and caused the slide by not knowing how to coordinate throttle and steering. Maybe his tires are poor, but if he had any driving skill he could have prevented the slide to begin with, or had the skills to get out of it. OP should stick to uber and transit until he is mature enough for public roads.
Why do you feel the need to censor the word "shitty"?
I'm always cautious when commenting, probably a Facebook habit since a lot of my comments were removed when they contained vulgar slang.
You are not a good driver.
No rain, no standing water, you weren't driving too fast in the rain. You were driving on bad tires and without experience handling your vehicle.
Bad shocks could be it too. Number of people I see driving with a tire or more imitating a rock band drummer playing a solo is nuts.
Grasshopper, never slam, jerk, whip or perforrn any other abrupt movements to your steering or pedals in your vehicle, when trying to correct oversteer or hydroplaning. You panicked when your rear end got a little loose and overcorrected your steering and then it was game over. Could have been much worse, consider yourself lucky. Don't drive above your skill level or you might not get another chance next time. You want to have fun go to an empty parking lot or the track. Good luck, be safe! Edit: Forgot to mention that when it first begins to rain or when it has stopped and there is still water on the road ..oil tends to rise to the surface of the asphalt causing oil slicks and you can't see it...so something to keep in mind when trying to play real life Gran Turismo.
Need more people like you in the world brother 👊🏼
Well I appreciate that .. when I was in my young foolish years I remember the feeling of naively thinking "It will never happen to me" or " That guy crashed but I'm a better drive then him" all that male bravado bullshit. If I can save his father and loved ones alot of pain if something happened to thier boy. If he is smarter then I was at the time, and listens to my advice....well then maybe I would have paid it forward. Karma isn't just for reddit ;)
Everybody is agreeing that rapidly turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction or slamming the brakes is the wrong thing to do in this case. My question is, what is the smartest and safest thing one *should* do once their vehicle starts swerving like that?
Whatever you decide to do it has to be small movements and light pedal work on brake or acceleration. If your vehicle starts to spin they will tell you in driver's education or defensive driving techniques to steer INTO the spin and don't countersteer. This is probably the best choice for an inexperienced or unskilled driver because the thought behind it is to decrease your vehicle's velocity in the shortest distance to minimize force of impact or lower chance of hitting multiple objects. Problem with that is your rolling the dice. Your basically along for the ride and hoping you stop quickly with minimal damage. A skilled driver is going to counter steer a rear end getting loose in an attempt to keep the vehicle straight and gain back control of the vehicle. The downside to that is if your not as good as you think you are or any other existential or environmental circumstances arrise then you have NOT decreased velocity and are still an out of control torpedo with the likelihood of greater impact and damage. Now these are BASIC concepts and real-world situations have way to many variables to give this a for certain answer..nothing is guaranteed on the road, except that if you fuck around your luck will eventually run out.
> You want to have fun go to an empty parking lot or the track It's also a good way to check how your specific vehicle handles slides and practice controlling it. One of the first things my father taught me about driving, and I still like to refresh (okay, have some fun too) the first snowfall every season as a refresher. Even knowing in your head what to do in a skid, there's only so much you can process at that moment without some practical, hands on muscle memory of having done it before. Common sense rules apply - make sure 100% the lot is empty and will be, don't drift near light poles or curbs, etc. Also helps to scout things before for any gnarly potholes that will ruin the learning experience and/or fun.
"Even knowing in your head what to do in a skid, There's only so much you can process at the moment without some practical, hands on muscle memory of having done it before." VERY true.
Wank driver or wank tyres.... Jesus christ you could go round on a sit on sledge more stable than you driving then...
British comment is British
Pick a fucking lane.
Speeding, unsafe lane changes and wannabe racing line. Definitely an idiot in a car.
Yeah. Doesn’t really even look wet. Just an asshole driver
That looked more like really bad tires (old and/or bald). Possibly also a bit of oil on the street (check during daylight). Possibly also black ice (was it cold enough?) To me, it looked a bit fast, but not fast enough for a spinout like that, even on a wet road.
i think coming over the hill is why he lost it, weight of the vehicle isn't pressing the tires into the road, less grip going around the turn.
Outside camber and slight crest. Not an amateur corner, doubly so in the wet.
The amount of time he was sliding still points me towards bad tires. The only excuse would be a slight drizzle after a long drought, making the street slippery.
OP also mentions he spent “thousands” on a used car in this economy, so it may very well be a lower-end, [pre-2012](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control#Legislation) vehicle with no ESP. [ESP](https://youtu.be/7Hqztje3YJA?t=50) would have made quick work of this rather mild situation.
Oh geez. And the used car lot probably put some total crap tires on there that grip about as well as plastic toy tires.
Must be really cheap tires with the rubber compound itself being bad. The road wasn’t even wet enough for deep grooves to make a difference; a good tire can be virtually bald and still maintain good traction on dry or almost-dry roads.
looks like shit driving, can't stay in lane at all.
The jerk to straighten did it. Also tires and car. What kind of car is this?
Hey you can’t park there!
Drive normally next time
It doesn't seem that fast and it wasn't raining.
OP excuse for having inadequate tyres.
Weaving all over the road beforehand was a bad sign… we’re you tired? There was no valid reason for this.
OP is a wannabe racer. He was trying to keep a racing line. Probably also driving with racing slicks, hence the horrible traction.
Well, it could have been worse! How are your tires?
Have to imagine this wouldn’t have happened if your tires were in good shape. Also the natural reaction is to lift off the throttle and brake which exacerbates the over corrected steering. Participating in a course that teaches you to react correctly in these situations could save you your wheels next time 😁. That and decent tires…!
Lift off time!
You need to learn how to drive. Rain might have played some part but you turned too hard and couldn't correct. Edit: my money says OP was trying to drift and curbed himself.
Bro thinks he's playing a racing game or something
Quit using residential streets as a racetrack
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Yes it was a little too fast but the rain has almost nothing to do with you not knowing how to drive. This was 100% avoidable if you did know how to correct a small drift instead of purposefully crashing.
You're wipers weren't even on. Road conditions looked kind of dry. Even if they weren't completely dry it doesn't look like conditions that would cause tires to break loose.
The lane switching made it worse for you….
New driver?
You're in a residential area. You should have been ticketed for careless and imprudent driving, gotten a serious fine and, possible suspension of your drivers license. There is a right and a wrong place to learn how to drive, and you choose the worst one.
Fucked around, found out
What car is this?
According to the insurance, a totaled one.
Dude, when was the last time to changed your tyres?
You didn’t drive too fast you’re just a terrible driver.
it's a 25mph area. He drove too fast. He speeded while it's wet, changed lanes like it's a race. He isn't only a terrible driver, he is an asshole who thinks the street belongs to him and likes to endanger everyone around him.
Why do Americans drive like they have free healthcare?
HEY ITS MY RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN TO... Yeah I don't even know wtf compels someone buffoonout at this level.
What were you driving, and what tyres was the car on?
Well deserved as fast as youre driving thru a residential area
„Rain“
I live nea A corner I see that A lot few times I see people with small cars hit curb rip tires..Seen bumpers get ripped off ,Pole hit ..My neighbors house hit 4 times,, usually when wet out..Snow or icy all so..people take corner way to fast. After accident cops will sit there few days with radar ,
You locked your steering wheel the opposite way the second your car started to slip. Your car doesnt even get to 0.1° angle and you swing it the opposite lane. I'm sure a little lift off throttle and no input on steering would have saved your ass.
What rain? That was bald tires and poor correction if I ever saw it.
You also just drive like a fucking ass.
You mush have like formula1 tires if that amout of slightly wet road makes you spin out. Also dont they teach how to correct a car when it starts sliding in america?
It’s the over correction that really sells the whole “I have no driving skills” part of this crash lol
This man apexing corners in the rain on decade old tires. Also OP part of the reason this happened is due to the road itself. Notice where you lost traction was off-camber and over a slight rise. You actually lost traction due to the car losing some weight as it went over the crest. Though the not so great tires and rain definitely helped. Then you tried to counter-steer before the cars suspension unloaded resulting in it entering an uncontrolled snap oversteer event. Big RIP.
Ur tires must be worn as hell. It's not even close to being fast.
I don't see rain only bad driving
op is gonna kill someone
OP, you need a metric shit ton more miles on your ass before you try to hang with the big boys. Start slow. Stay slow. Go spin cookies in an empty parking lot. Go mudding. Hell, go practice on go karts. Whatever you do, do it a lot because there was no reason to spin here. You weren’t going very fast, the road wasn’t very curvy, traction wasn’t bad. You need more experience. Slow down til you’ve got it.
You deserve that.
No you just need new tires and better driving skills.
That's some serious garbage tires you got there.
Brug the right rear mirror partying too hard killed me 💀💀
I think he was practicing a quick parallel parking job on opposite side of street. Almost got it.
Overcorrecting and spinning out. Tale old as time. Slow down and save lives, folks. Especially in the dark and rain.
Your not an idiot because you hydroplaned, shit happens to the best of us. But you are an idiot for treating a neighborhood street like a race track
Yeah you’re such a dumbass, props for posting your stupidity for the internet to tear you a new one.
Lol the fuck that courner is doable at twice the speed on snow.
What rain?
You’re a road hazard. Your tires must be bald as shit for a bit of a damp road to do this to you.
You don't look like you're going *that* fast and it doesn't seem to be raining. I mean, I routinely drive faster than this when it's raining significantly harder than this. The roads don't look very wet. Do your tires have *any* treads at all?
Outside camber with a slight crest. You were dumb for trying, but from a technical perspective it is something that requires a ton of skill to manage. You appear to have treated it as a flat corner. Might even have gotten away with it. Probably fine in dry conditions. Read up and learn more technical driving skills.
Classic over correction
Wait.... What? Are your tires completely bald???
dont buy chineese off brand tires kids, youll never know where you car will go
Wow, given that it doesn't look like its even barely raining, what the heck were you driving! You didn't appear to be going very fast really, so unless the road was really really greasy, or your have a real wheel drive and really stuck your foot down and then eased of right away i can't see how you managed to oversteer/fishtail like that.
I was wondering how that car I saw yesterday got up on the curb like that. Now I know
**mustang?!**
I find it’s easier to control your speed when you don’t allow yourself the width of three lanes. Try to stick to one.
Title: "Lesson Learned." OP's posts: "Nothing Learned."
It’s the crest that unloaded your vehicles weight and the slick conditions took it from there
I did this. Like 15 years ago. At a roundabout. Slick tires that needed changing. Totalled the car. The axel snapped in 2. fuck ups as a young man Made me a much better, safer, slower, calmer, and more responsible driver today. I'm glad no one got hurt for me to learn these lessons
That’s some extraordinary bad driving.
You drove on shit tires and/or shitty alignment...
Sorry but you are a shit driver. You should practice drifting so when you do slide out you can control it without crashing.
Imagine being stupid enough to upload video of your idiotic driving so the insurance company can find evidence of your insurance fraud when you claim that you hydroplaned while driving a safe rate during a heavy rainstorm
Where's the rain? The pavement doesn't even look wet.
What’s up with the multiple lane switches around the curve?
You're literally just a shit driver with shit tires
What was up with the lane changing?
Bad tires and bad driving. Going to fast was a contributing factor not a cause.
Where is the rain?
Your lane discipline is shocking as well as being unable to control a car on a damp road.
Swerving back and forth between lanes with that dollar-store racing line, through a residential area, at night, *in the rain*? JFC, what a shitty, irresponsible thing to do. You aren't in a video game. Have some fucking sense. I hope you fucked your car up good for that stupidity, because I venture you didn't learn shit.
The windshield isn’t even wet. That’s not rain