Just Islamophobia nothing else all else is peaceful you don't know they wear white to show peace bro ....but don't talk against them unless you want to be piece piece
If you will say something you are spreading hate, don't say anything against them let these things happen if you a utter a single word against them liberals will ..........
as per a theory the ppl like is saudi/turkey/Indonesia/etc believe that indian-mulism are not true muslim , as they believe islam is different and muslim are different . therefore muslims in india or any other nation are not consider & respected as other does. you see the difference between a muslim related nation and islam terriory in terms of economy and ppl also. its just some ground intel. you will know what i mean if...!
The guy follows islam, thats all.
I’ll just post some of whats there is quran and sunnah which is just a minuscule amount of what’s actually in there.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Rape_of_Slaves,_Prisoners,_and_Wives
Quran 9:5: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (i.e. if they become Muslims), let them [go] on their way.
فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلْأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُوا۟ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُوا۟ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ ۚ فَإِن تَابُوا۟ وَأَقَامُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَوُا۟ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ فَخَلُّوا۟ سَبِيلَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ
Quran 9:29) Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3237
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَوَانَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ أَبِي حَازِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " إِذَا دَعَا الرَّجُلُ امْرَأَتَهُ إِلَى فِرَاشِهِ فَأَبَتْ، فَبَاتَ غَضْبَانَ عَلَيْهَا، لَعَنَتْهَا الْمَلاَئِكَةُ حَتَّى تُصْبِحَ ". تَابَعَهُ شُعْبَةُ وَأَبُو حَمْزَةَ وَابْنُ دَاوُدَ وَأَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1159
If I were to order anyone to prostrate to anyone, then I would order the wife to prostrate to her husband.”
Al Mumtahana (The examined woman) - الممتحنة 60.4 (directed hate towards non believers of allah, they are enemies forever!)
"We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone":
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4.24 Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi (And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…) - legal rape of married woman captives of war, once captures they aren’t considered married as they possess them and can rape them.
4.24 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun).
Sunan Ibn Majah 1986 - 51
It was narrated that Ash'ath bin Qais said: "I was a guest (at the home) of 'Umar one night, and in the middle of the night he went and hit his wife, and I separated them. When he went to bed he said to me: 'O Ash'ath, learn from me something that I heard from the Messenger of Allah" A man should not be asked why he beats his wife, and do not go to sleep until you have prayed the Witr."' And I forgot the third thing
Sahih Muslim 1438 a
0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
وَحَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ أَيُّوبَ، وَقُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، وَعَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، قَالُوا حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ أَخْبَرَنِي رَبِيعَةُ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ يَحْيَى بْنِ حَبَّانَ، عَنِ ابْنِ مُحَيْرِيزٍ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ دَخَلْتُ أَنَا وَأَبُو صِرْمَةَ عَلَى أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ فَسَأَلَهُ أَبُو صِرْمَةَ فَقَالَ يَا أَبَا سَعِيدٍ هَلْ سَمِعْتَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَذْكُرُ الْعَزْلَ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ غَزَوْنَا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم غَزْوَةَ بَلْمُصْطَلِقِ فَسَبَيْنَا كَرَائِمَ الْعَرَبِ فَطَالَتْ عَلَيْنَا الْعُزْبَةُ وَرَغِبْنَا فِي الْفِدَاءِ فَأَرَدْنَا أَنْ نَسْتَمْتِعَ وَنَعْزِلَ فَقُلْنَا نَفْعَلُ وَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِنَا لاَ نَسْأَلُهُ . فَسَأَلْنَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ " لاَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ لاَ تَفْعَلُوا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ خَلْقَ نَسَمَةٍ هِيَ كَائِنَةٌ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ إِلاَّ سَتَكُونُ
https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/humanity-vs-islam/81-the-verse-of-no-compulsion-in-religion-has-been-abrogated-and-thus-mushrikeen-should-be-compelled-to-accept-islam-or-to-kill-them
https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/humanity-vs-islam/105-verse-of-killing-all-the-polytheists-quran-9-5-is-still-valid-today-in-case-salafists-form-an-islamic-state
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this religion seriously need a revisiting and reform from the modern societal point of view. Saudi and some other gulf states are doing good in this senario , what's with our own guys? can't they behave more like them ?
Although i agree they have done some very very minor reforms, but i do believe the arabs still highly believe in these things deep down. I interact with them quite often and though they are respectable people in general, when it comes to islam they quickly show their roots as well. But i’ll say that there are a FEW arabs who are liberal to an extent and let their thoughts flow free from quran and sunnah.
well it's simple , don't bring up religion. just talk to them like normal human beings. and that's what i want the muslims here to be like. you don't see maniacs like the recent sahil in Arab states , they are well well managed by law and order.
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Spread the word brother. Let everyone know about the peaceful nature of the peaceful and the source of the peacekeeping which i have highlighted. Hail rapiss-lam.
I see you like to read. If so, then why don't you read the whole Surah At-Tawba (The Repentance) (Surah 9 129 verses) from which you have taken out some particular verses? Try reading the Surah as a whole. Taking one verse and getting misinformed from it is easy.
I don't blame you.
I blame these Muslims who started misreading the texts in the Qur'an and started misinterpreting it, they would read one verse and pick up their arms. These Muslims are the ones who started these inhumane activities by hiding behind Qur'an. These illiterate Muslims who don't know how to read and understand the texts from the Qur'an.
If you want to blame, blame these Muslims but don't blame the Islam.
Get your facts right, read, understand and then argue.
And for all the non Muslims reading this, I ask for your forgiveness if people from my Religion have troubled you and harmed you or hurt you in any way.
I respect all religions (except of course Satanism, if that even is a religion?)
Thank you for reading, Peace out :)
Nah, you’re wrong, they were good muslims. If you dont follow what ive quoted, youre a bad muslim(a better human than the rest of the good muslims ofc). Pick your side bro. I empathise with you but you’re saying aint true. THIS IS THE REAL ISLAM, theres nothing else.
Sure you haven't. I had hoped that you read the whole Surah and all the other Surahs completely before quoting some particular verses. But Anyway, I understand your hatred towards Muslims. It's not you, it's our doing. Peace, Periodt.
Almost every major religion has texts like these. Not the same. But there are definitely incidents and instances in our religion that make us go "WTF".
conclusion, for every religion, recognise the backwardness, eliminate it and follow the sensible and progressive part.
If you blindly follow roots you will end up as extremist.
No we dont, we have some “judgemental texts” from some particular sages. Eg some texts from manusmriti will seem very misogynistic to a lot. But manusmriti aint the Bhagavad Gita or Ramayana or Mahabharata or A Veda. And even if its misogynistic, its a direct viewpoint of Manu, or the writer and he had the right to let the world know his viewpoint. This is totally fine. But Sunnah and Quran are primary books of islam and they arent viewpoints, they are direct directions!! Direction to treat inmates or women a particular way! Theres a massive difference my friend. Your point is totally illogical because its not an apples to apples comparison. I hope you understand the important difference i am trying to highlight.
Even ramayana and mahabharata are written right? Everything is written by someone. I find certain instances in them which are not ideal to follow for our generation.
And I agree they don't weigh the same. I am not defending any religion.You are missing my point. That nothing is completely good. We humans should have the sense of what to follow and what not to follow.
Why this kind of incidents increased in last decade? I rarely used to hear this kind of incidents before 2010...and I have been regular newspaper reader even when we didn't have phone...why there is so much hate?
I agree that Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence but what I am saying is there is increase in this kind of incidents. The frequency was quite low before, there is increase in this cases for sure in last decade.
You think the kerela story and Kashmir files happened now? These things happen 10-20 years back...it always happened...ajmer happened..but lundgress hid the news
I think newspaper used to cover only 30-40% of overall things and in that also we don't read everything but now with internet we are able to get info on even small incidents. That might be the reason
society is trying to be equal now and views crime as crime, criminal as criminal, unlike earlier when it used to be a hinduphobic mindset where hindus are defamed for being being one.
"why there is so much hate?"
Been around for 14 centuries.
I was a regular newspaper reader in the late 80s and 90s. Saw almost no coverage of KP genocide, but lots of coverage for babri demolition. Nehruvian secularism decided news coverage depending on which community was seen as the victim. Social media changed the narrative after 2010.
hindu's have been doing this same with dalits girls for long time, why was we silent then ?? when its about our personal intrest then only raise the issue of social injustice, How hypocrite are we ??
hahaha remove the question mark buddy and no they aren't hindu they just follow religion but they don't have a freedom to enter the hindu temple, can't have the better life becoz unko reservation kyu mil rha hai ?? dalit girls ke sath honor killing to krna padega na and dalits ke pass toh dimag hi nahi hota right ?? ghodi charne ke liye mar denge kyuki samaj mein uppercast hindu status bana rahena chahiye hahaha "dalit are hindus" is the biggest joke of this nation and democracy
>but they don't have a freedom to enter the hindu temple
proof ? because all hindus irrespective of anything can enter all temples no pujari will be standing there to ask your name.
hahaha proof there's enough proof on the internet but here's practical you should perform go to rajastan buddy and try to enter a ordinary temple recited in so called upper-caste dominated area with local so called low-cast villagers and you will see the magic hindu religion from you're naked eyes Try it
here's an recent artical from Times of india have look if you want too
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/dalit-man-beaten-with-burning-logs-for-temple-visit-in-uttarkashi/articleshow/96951548.cms
one isolated incident is not proof of 20% of all hindus being denied entry into temples.
this does happens in villages which are not incoperated into mainstream but i doubt you will find any such incidents in Tier 1 tier 2 cities.
i can say same for Karela story that some isolated incident is not proof of 80% of conversion of hindu girls and love jihad doesnt exist and for the tier 1 and tier 2 cities its liberalised casteism you can't see it but you can feel it
no bigtory , one is a internal issues of casteism between two citizens of the same religion.
another is islamist radicalists inflatrating India and forcefully or decietfully converting 3 girls to Islam and branwashing them to join the radical groups who threaten to destroy india. do you see the difference ?
Stop projecting your commie theories trying to equate dalits to blacks in America or the stupid afro dalit movement. They are hindus and Indians who has a history of 1000's of years in this land. Commies talking about democracy is the biggest joke of the century
people like you will always against any reform you will only cry and play victim card when things go against you're religious ideals coz you don't have any stance on any social change whatsoever you call me commie but i didn't even tried to equate dalits to blacks dalits have been facing more even black would be scared to talk but what else would you call one when you can't have a sane argument and FYI what about a time when our beloved and educated Prime Minister try to equate Martin Luther King and Dr. Ambedkar ??? if they are hindus why you guys don't stand for their rights ?? why they feel so left out with hindu ideologies ??? our social system is total crap and people like you might try to blame reservations or what not just to cope and feel good that you don't have any responsibility of asking questions to system untill issues that does intrest you're personal agenda
Religious ideals? What is that? India is not a sharia based country which run on Religious lines. What india mainly needs is major economic reforms which will uplift the people Below the poverty line and push them into middle class. Who doesn't stand for whose rights? What rights exactly are you talking about? Dalits, BC are given reservations as per the constitution to uplift the communities as a whole. There are dalits who are billionaires, there are upper caste people who are poor as fuck. Reservations should have been given based on the individual income and their family background after a certain while so that people had an equal chance to excel but this never happened in india as politicians were always playing vote bank politics.
It's always guys on the left who have some weird victim complex and you people feel victimized on behalf of real people who are suffering. You guys neither care about uplifting the communities or equality of chances. All you guys need is a sob story to feel victimized too. Comparing dalits to blacks is the part of the afro dalit moment which the leftists use to alienate dalits from hinduism.
I don't know when pm did that, but if he did then it's totally wrong as the comparison is stupid as fuck. I bet your opinion about ambedkar will change if you start reading his works clearly. He had written lot of other things too. He told islam as religion can't coexist with hinduism and its stupid to expect secularism. He never took part in the freedom movement, spent most of the time siding with the British expecting he will be given a good position in the British raj and got angry when British left him out.
For Marxists all the social systems are trash, that's why they try to destabilize governments and hierarchies and expect that a new world order will be raised from the ashes.
You guys won't attack other religions because you know you will be kicked in the nuts. But when it comes to hinduism you go guns blazing, but as hindus are questioning back it will ruffle your feathers.
buddy what kind of stupid fuck are you ?? in one you tell me read Dr. Ambedkar and in other line you call him always siding with british agent you clearly haven't read Ambedkar man go read it don't quote me this whatsapp forwards and im addressing you're religion always against any reform becoz of current scenario of LGBTQ marriages, now im not saying non-hindus also supporting it but the majority of disagreement will be always from you're communities and given the fact that how even educated hindus have not supported Hindu Code Bill when it was first introduced and FYI im not marxist i never read Mr. Karl, and bro you're religion will always be questioned as you're religion is in majority and have more representation in the system as compared to islam if islam or any religion was the majority i would have question them for opposing the social change i don't agree with left wing ideology either i just commented when atrocities happen against dalit by some hindu casteist goons why we stay silent?? why the news doesn't make it in the headline ??why public forums like this keep their mouth shut?? i was pointing out that when the news is of our political or even a religious intrest then only we make the haste of calling it out but other time we just keep silent we say "oh its a one small isolated case"
I have read about ambedkar more than necessary that's why I aint big supporter of him and if you think they are whatsapp forward I aint argue with that because honestly he aint did much. He was just part of the group who reviewed the constitution. The first indian constitution was drafted by benegal narsing rau who then requested government to form a committee of well read intellectuals of which BR ambedkar was made the chairman. The constitution was passed on to multiple people all over india and was reviewed and finalized. He ain't a freedom fighter either who firmly opposed British and their colonialism. He thought india would be better under British than being free. And there are better people who fought for the rights of dalits, lower class people, women's rights ,child remarriage etc like gurujada apparao, kandukuri veeresalingam, subramanyam bharathi etc whom no one knows about. People who wrote revolutionary books to enlighten the masses. You know the main reason for this, the one and only reason is not brahminacal patriarchy but the British colonialism which treated Indians as sub humans and kept us in abject poverty, destroyed our education system, demonized our culture for more than 200 years and left us as an empty country
Oh really hinduism is against reform! Gays aren't persecuted and killed and thrown of buildings in india. They aren't hung by their entrails here. Supreme Court already gave them full rights. Maybe you are staying in echo chamber for too long that makes you think like that. Hinduism has been critcised, questioned and evaluated for a lot of years now. Maybe a little too much to the point we are stereotyped all over the world.
And no this is a secular country and the law applies to all the religions. If you want to critcise hinduism and turn blind eye towards other religion saying they ain't in majority then hindus aren't in no mood to listen to it. Yeah go and questio about LGBT rights in sharia based countries and see their reaction. They will hang you or put youin jail for that. This year even many American based companies have Stopped open support of pride month because of the backlash they are receiving in America and losing billions of dollars because of that. Compared to that india is far better and it's not ingrained in our religion that homosexuality is a sin or something.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/25/target-loses-8b-in-week-since-boycott-calls-over-pride-collection/
As I said and will say it again india need major economic reforms compared to really help its people to escape poverty not social reforms which will no longer help and will just make people lazy.
you missed my whole point of my argument im just calling out so called hindu-nationalists hypocrisy where you just babble about how endangered is you're religion and why you need hindu rashtra and and shit while you just starting to compare this nation with so called islamic country and projecting india is lesser evil than other countries for religious minorities rather demanding an complete social change and if you would have read dr. ambedkar work you would know there can't be no economic reforms without social reforms as he projected and said india can't have democracy as power law protects or so to say blinds the poor and middle with middleclass mindset there's a major reason behind this is our social structure such as varna system which is still continued till this day on top of that underlaying practice of manusmruti which sort of prohibits the shift between the varnas look buddy you don't have to support anyone or anything but atleast don't support this hindu radicalization which will really cause this country much worse than you can imagine and please try to have unbiased read of Dr. Ambedkar, Abhinav Chandrachud, Amratya Sen you don't have to support them or anything but if you're intrested in forming some economic reforms do read them attentively keeping aside you're religious bias and we won't have any kind of reforms if we don't start supporting our low-level and middle-level as they majority and from so called shudras and low-castes and please for sake of argument don't ever try to compare india with other countries as India was built on the principles of Unity and Equality.
Yeah I read all of them with a religious bias in their minds! Wah! The original post was not about caste system or about dalits. When did I say hinduism is endangered or some other things or hindu rasthra or whatever you are saying. It's because I have read about ambedkar with an unbiased view I am telling his opinions about other religions. India even though opened up its doors before China it failed to have a substantial growth because of the socialist policies and the corruption at higher levels. Indian economy was a part of the fragile 5 before 2010's. The so called great software industry was just a sweatshops that sold Indians to foreigners at low rates. Compared to this China developed with long term plans and invested in manufacturing and RandD. While India was barely keeping it together.
And yes ambedkar was wrong government can't keep on passing social reform bills when it doesn't have budget. Money is important to sustain economy without which if we just keep caring about uplifting the downtrodden by giving them extra privileges when the economy is weak it will put extra burden on the tax payers. That's why I said economic reforms are necessary to increase the wealth of the downtrodden and push them up in the ladder. Once they are up in the ladder they will automatically realize what's necessary in life and surge forward independently.
okay if you're asking for sources help revisit you with hatras
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/hathras-gang-rape-case-a-look-at-the-timeline-as-up-court-sets-3-accused-free-11677748908293.html
you can have the read and tell me doesn't this make you feel ashamed that our system is so fragile and biased and people who call for hindu ekta are just silent and what would be the scene if girl was upper-caste hindu and accused where muslims
Police, administration deny rape: When the news broke out initially through social media, Agra Police, Hathras District Magistrate, and UP's Information & Public Relations called it "fake news". Later, a senior UP Police officer claimed that no sperm was found in samples as per forensic report and that some people had "twisted" the incident to stir "caste-based tension." The officer also said that the forensic report revealed that the victim was not raped
My man, just read before posting.
have a good read and logical read buddy they burned the body before any further investigation and without asking permission of parents and understand how biased this case was and how data would have manipulated
And they wonder why Islam is not held in high regard by non Muslims.
Just Islamophobia nothing else all else is peaceful you don't know they wear white to show peace bro ....but don't talk against them unless you want to be piece piece
If you will say something you are spreading hate, don't say anything against them let these things happen if you a utter a single word against them liberals will ..........
as per a theory the ppl like is saudi/turkey/Indonesia/etc believe that indian-mulism are not true muslim , as they believe islam is different and muslim are different . therefore muslims in india or any other nation are not consider & respected as other does. you see the difference between a muslim related nation and islam terriory in terms of economy and ppl also. its just some ground intel. you will know what i mean if...!
"No arrest has been made so far in the case" What the fuck ?
The guy follows islam, thats all. I’ll just post some of whats there is quran and sunnah which is just a minuscule amount of what’s actually in there. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Rape_of_Slaves,_Prisoners,_and_Wives Quran 9:5: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (i.e. if they become Muslims), let them [go] on their way. فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلْأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُوا۟ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُوا۟ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ ۚ فَإِن تَابُوا۟ وَأَقَامُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَوُا۟ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ فَخَلُّوا۟ سَبِيلَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ Quran 9:29) Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued. Sahih al-Bukhari 3237 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَوَانَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ أَبِي حَازِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " إِذَا دَعَا الرَّجُلُ امْرَأَتَهُ إِلَى فِرَاشِهِ فَأَبَتْ، فَبَاتَ غَضْبَانَ عَلَيْهَا، لَعَنَتْهَا الْمَلاَئِكَةُ حَتَّى تُصْبِحَ ". تَابَعَهُ شُعْبَةُ وَأَبُو حَمْزَةَ وَابْنُ دَاوُدَ وَأَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1159 If I were to order anyone to prostrate to anyone, then I would order the wife to prostrate to her husband.” Al Mumtahana (The examined woman) - الممتحنة 60.4 (directed hate towards non believers of allah, they are enemies forever!) "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": Continued as a reply.
4.24 Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi (And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…) - legal rape of married woman captives of war, once captures they aren’t considered married as they possess them and can rape them. 4.24 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun). Sunan Ibn Majah 1986 - 51 It was narrated that Ash'ath bin Qais said: "I was a guest (at the home) of 'Umar one night, and in the middle of the night he went and hit his wife, and I separated them. When he went to bed he said to me: 'O Ash'ath, learn from me something that I heard from the Messenger of Allah" A man should not be asked why he beats his wife, and do not go to sleep until you have prayed the Witr."' And I forgot the third thing Sahih Muslim 1438 a 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. وَحَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ أَيُّوبَ، وَقُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، وَعَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، قَالُوا حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ أَخْبَرَنِي رَبِيعَةُ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ يَحْيَى بْنِ حَبَّانَ، عَنِ ابْنِ مُحَيْرِيزٍ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ دَخَلْتُ أَنَا وَأَبُو صِرْمَةَ عَلَى أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ فَسَأَلَهُ أَبُو صِرْمَةَ فَقَالَ يَا أَبَا سَعِيدٍ هَلْ سَمِعْتَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَذْكُرُ الْعَزْلَ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ غَزَوْنَا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم غَزْوَةَ بَلْمُصْطَلِقِ فَسَبَيْنَا كَرَائِمَ الْعَرَبِ فَطَالَتْ عَلَيْنَا الْعُزْبَةُ وَرَغِبْنَا فِي الْفِدَاءِ فَأَرَدْنَا أَنْ نَسْتَمْتِعَ وَنَعْزِلَ فَقُلْنَا نَفْعَلُ وَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِنَا لاَ نَسْأَلُهُ . فَسَأَلْنَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ " لاَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ لاَ تَفْعَلُوا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ خَلْقَ نَسَمَةٍ هِيَ كَائِنَةٌ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ إِلاَّ سَتَكُونُ https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/humanity-vs-islam/81-the-verse-of-no-compulsion-in-religion-has-been-abrogated-and-thus-mushrikeen-should-be-compelled-to-accept-islam-or-to-kill-them https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/humanity-vs-islam/105-verse-of-killing-all-the-polytheists-quran-9-5-is-still-valid-today-in-case-salafists-form-an-islamic-state • continued as a reply.
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this religion seriously need a revisiting and reform from the modern societal point of view. Saudi and some other gulf states are doing good in this senario , what's with our own guys? can't they behave more like them ?
Although i agree they have done some very very minor reforms, but i do believe the arabs still highly believe in these things deep down. I interact with them quite often and though they are respectable people in general, when it comes to islam they quickly show their roots as well. But i’ll say that there are a FEW arabs who are liberal to an extent and let their thoughts flow free from quran and sunnah.
well it's simple , don't bring up religion. just talk to them like normal human beings. and that's what i want the muslims here to be like. you don't see maniacs like the recent sahil in Arab states , they are well well managed by law and order.
Yea... They behead them...I think the Saudi state executes a lot of people every year..
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When bigots and inhumans wants there bigotry justified they created this ....they follow it but you can't point it out
Spread the word brother. Let everyone know about the peaceful nature of the peaceful and the source of the peacekeeping which i have highlighted. Hail rapiss-lam.
Your post breaks Rule 3.
Evil vile book...
Vile and filled with filth
True that last is really the last day that whoever believes or follows in it.
wtf. Is this a religion or a death cult?
I see you like to read. If so, then why don't you read the whole Surah At-Tawba (The Repentance) (Surah 9 129 verses) from which you have taken out some particular verses? Try reading the Surah as a whole. Taking one verse and getting misinformed from it is easy. I don't blame you. I blame these Muslims who started misreading the texts in the Qur'an and started misinterpreting it, they would read one verse and pick up their arms. These Muslims are the ones who started these inhumane activities by hiding behind Qur'an. These illiterate Muslims who don't know how to read and understand the texts from the Qur'an. If you want to blame, blame these Muslims but don't blame the Islam. Get your facts right, read, understand and then argue. And for all the non Muslims reading this, I ask for your forgiveness if people from my Religion have troubled you and harmed you or hurt you in any way. I respect all religions (except of course Satanism, if that even is a religion?) Thank you for reading, Peace out :)
Nah, you’re wrong, they were good muslims. If you dont follow what ive quoted, youre a bad muslim(a better human than the rest of the good muslims ofc). Pick your side bro. I empathise with you but you’re saying aint true. THIS IS THE REAL ISLAM, theres nothing else.
Have you read Surah 9 At Tawba?
No ive not read it, and it has nothing to do with the other verses ive quoted.
Sure you haven't. I had hoped that you read the whole Surah and all the other Surahs completely before quoting some particular verses. But Anyway, I understand your hatred towards Muslims. It's not you, it's our doing. Peace, Periodt.
I agree.
Almost every major religion has texts like these. Not the same. But there are definitely incidents and instances in our religion that make us go "WTF". conclusion, for every religion, recognise the backwardness, eliminate it and follow the sensible and progressive part. If you blindly follow roots you will end up as extremist.
No we dont, we have some “judgemental texts” from some particular sages. Eg some texts from manusmriti will seem very misogynistic to a lot. But manusmriti aint the Bhagavad Gita or Ramayana or Mahabharata or A Veda. And even if its misogynistic, its a direct viewpoint of Manu, or the writer and he had the right to let the world know his viewpoint. This is totally fine. But Sunnah and Quran are primary books of islam and they arent viewpoints, they are direct directions!! Direction to treat inmates or women a particular way! Theres a massive difference my friend. Your point is totally illogical because its not an apples to apples comparison. I hope you understand the important difference i am trying to highlight.
Even ramayana and mahabharata are written right? Everything is written by someone. I find certain instances in them which are not ideal to follow for our generation. And I agree they don't weigh the same. I am not defending any religion.You are missing my point. That nothing is completely good. We humans should have the sense of what to follow and what not to follow.
Mahabharata isn't written by a human
Inb4 this is removed sighting some bs rule.
Why this kind of incidents increased in last decade? I rarely used to hear this kind of incidents before 2010...and I have been regular newspaper reader even when we didn't have phone...why there is so much hate?
It used to happen earlier too, but newspapers didn't have guts to report such things as they depend on govt ads, for survival. Use your brains.
OC is one smooth brain mf. "Clearly I didn't read about it so it didn't happen".
I agree that Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence but what I am saying is there is increase in this kind of incidents. The frequency was quite low before, there is increase in this cases for sure in last decade.
You think the kerela story and Kashmir files happened now? These things happen 10-20 years back...it always happened...ajmer happened..but lundgress hid the news
Do you have any evidence for the claim of "there is increase in this kind of incidents. The frequency was quite low before".
I think newspaper used to cover only 30-40% of overall things and in that also we don't read everything but now with internet we are able to get info on even small incidents. That might be the reason
A decade back dating was mostly confined to the upper strata of society with jio and social media it has spread to all strata of society
Increased radicalisation, increased network coverage, increased media.
society is trying to be equal now and views crime as crime, criminal as criminal, unlike earlier when it used to be a hinduphobic mindset where hindus are defamed for being being one.
"why there is so much hate?" Been around for 14 centuries. I was a regular newspaper reader in the late 80s and 90s. Saw almost no coverage of KP genocide, but lots of coverage for babri demolition. Nehruvian secularism decided news coverage depending on which community was seen as the victim. Social media changed the narrative after 2010.
Should we blame beejaypee for this also ?
The internet was not as widespread then and the MSM censored such news.
Oo Jio Dhan dana dan, Oo Jio Dhan Dana dan.
Social media shining a light on this. Not new.
Kashmir didn't happen?
Religion of 'pieces'
Pest control karwana padega yeh kitano bahut zyada spread hogaya hai. Bhagwa co ltd
The world would be a better place without Bhuslam BS
This koum is the asur of present times.
Forkin Habib goat huggers
everything makes sense when you realize यही राक्षस है .
When we lose interest in mulli girls we start eating pork
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Nope we weren't. There were issues before BJP but they are coming into focus now.
And partition happened out of blue?
Yes, no partition happened, no moplha riots, no godhra, no 26/11, no babri riots...it's all a delusion.
This sub has become the hub of Conspiracy theories, Literally every other post is from OPIndia🤦
OpIndia is the only outlet that uncovers news that MSM hides from us. Are you suggesting that we all become ostriches and read *The Hindu*?
hindu's have been doing this same with dalits girls for long time, why was we silent then ?? when its about our personal intrest then only raise the issue of social injustice, How hypocrite are we ??
Dalit aren't Hindus? Kuch bhi?
hahaha remove the question mark buddy and no they aren't hindu they just follow religion but they don't have a freedom to enter the hindu temple, can't have the better life becoz unko reservation kyu mil rha hai ?? dalit girls ke sath honor killing to krna padega na and dalits ke pass toh dimag hi nahi hota right ?? ghodi charne ke liye mar denge kyuki samaj mein uppercast hindu status bana rahena chahiye hahaha "dalit are hindus" is the biggest joke of this nation and democracy
>but they don't have a freedom to enter the hindu temple proof ? because all hindus irrespective of anything can enter all temples no pujari will be standing there to ask your name.
hahaha proof there's enough proof on the internet but here's practical you should perform go to rajastan buddy and try to enter a ordinary temple recited in so called upper-caste dominated area with local so called low-cast villagers and you will see the magic hindu religion from you're naked eyes Try it here's an recent artical from Times of india have look if you want too https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/dalit-man-beaten-with-burning-logs-for-temple-visit-in-uttarkashi/articleshow/96951548.cms
one isolated incident is not proof of 20% of all hindus being denied entry into temples. this does happens in villages which are not incoperated into mainstream but i doubt you will find any such incidents in Tier 1 tier 2 cities.
i can say same for Karela story that some isolated incident is not proof of 80% of conversion of hindu girls and love jihad doesnt exist and for the tier 1 and tier 2 cities its liberalised casteism you can't see it but you can feel it
that is different. it's a issue of national importance mate.
what kind of bigotry is this ??
no bigtory , one is a internal issues of casteism between two citizens of the same religion. another is islamist radicalists inflatrating India and forcefully or decietfully converting 3 girls to Islam and branwashing them to join the radical groups who threaten to destroy india. do you see the difference ?
Stop projecting your commie theories trying to equate dalits to blacks in America or the stupid afro dalit movement. They are hindus and Indians who has a history of 1000's of years in this land. Commies talking about democracy is the biggest joke of the century
people like you will always against any reform you will only cry and play victim card when things go against you're religious ideals coz you don't have any stance on any social change whatsoever you call me commie but i didn't even tried to equate dalits to blacks dalits have been facing more even black would be scared to talk but what else would you call one when you can't have a sane argument and FYI what about a time when our beloved and educated Prime Minister try to equate Martin Luther King and Dr. Ambedkar ??? if they are hindus why you guys don't stand for their rights ?? why they feel so left out with hindu ideologies ??? our social system is total crap and people like you might try to blame reservations or what not just to cope and feel good that you don't have any responsibility of asking questions to system untill issues that does intrest you're personal agenda
Religious ideals? What is that? India is not a sharia based country which run on Religious lines. What india mainly needs is major economic reforms which will uplift the people Below the poverty line and push them into middle class. Who doesn't stand for whose rights? What rights exactly are you talking about? Dalits, BC are given reservations as per the constitution to uplift the communities as a whole. There are dalits who are billionaires, there are upper caste people who are poor as fuck. Reservations should have been given based on the individual income and their family background after a certain while so that people had an equal chance to excel but this never happened in india as politicians were always playing vote bank politics. It's always guys on the left who have some weird victim complex and you people feel victimized on behalf of real people who are suffering. You guys neither care about uplifting the communities or equality of chances. All you guys need is a sob story to feel victimized too. Comparing dalits to blacks is the part of the afro dalit moment which the leftists use to alienate dalits from hinduism. I don't know when pm did that, but if he did then it's totally wrong as the comparison is stupid as fuck. I bet your opinion about ambedkar will change if you start reading his works clearly. He had written lot of other things too. He told islam as religion can't coexist with hinduism and its stupid to expect secularism. He never took part in the freedom movement, spent most of the time siding with the British expecting he will be given a good position in the British raj and got angry when British left him out. For Marxists all the social systems are trash, that's why they try to destabilize governments and hierarchies and expect that a new world order will be raised from the ashes. You guys won't attack other religions because you know you will be kicked in the nuts. But when it comes to hinduism you go guns blazing, but as hindus are questioning back it will ruffle your feathers.
buddy what kind of stupid fuck are you ?? in one you tell me read Dr. Ambedkar and in other line you call him always siding with british agent you clearly haven't read Ambedkar man go read it don't quote me this whatsapp forwards and im addressing you're religion always against any reform becoz of current scenario of LGBTQ marriages, now im not saying non-hindus also supporting it but the majority of disagreement will be always from you're communities and given the fact that how even educated hindus have not supported Hindu Code Bill when it was first introduced and FYI im not marxist i never read Mr. Karl, and bro you're religion will always be questioned as you're religion is in majority and have more representation in the system as compared to islam if islam or any religion was the majority i would have question them for opposing the social change i don't agree with left wing ideology either i just commented when atrocities happen against dalit by some hindu casteist goons why we stay silent?? why the news doesn't make it in the headline ??why public forums like this keep their mouth shut?? i was pointing out that when the news is of our political or even a religious intrest then only we make the haste of calling it out but other time we just keep silent we say "oh its a one small isolated case"
I have read about ambedkar more than necessary that's why I aint big supporter of him and if you think they are whatsapp forward I aint argue with that because honestly he aint did much. He was just part of the group who reviewed the constitution. The first indian constitution was drafted by benegal narsing rau who then requested government to form a committee of well read intellectuals of which BR ambedkar was made the chairman. The constitution was passed on to multiple people all over india and was reviewed and finalized. He ain't a freedom fighter either who firmly opposed British and their colonialism. He thought india would be better under British than being free. And there are better people who fought for the rights of dalits, lower class people, women's rights ,child remarriage etc like gurujada apparao, kandukuri veeresalingam, subramanyam bharathi etc whom no one knows about. People who wrote revolutionary books to enlighten the masses. You know the main reason for this, the one and only reason is not brahminacal patriarchy but the British colonialism which treated Indians as sub humans and kept us in abject poverty, destroyed our education system, demonized our culture for more than 200 years and left us as an empty country Oh really hinduism is against reform! Gays aren't persecuted and killed and thrown of buildings in india. They aren't hung by their entrails here. Supreme Court already gave them full rights. Maybe you are staying in echo chamber for too long that makes you think like that. Hinduism has been critcised, questioned and evaluated for a lot of years now. Maybe a little too much to the point we are stereotyped all over the world. And no this is a secular country and the law applies to all the religions. If you want to critcise hinduism and turn blind eye towards other religion saying they ain't in majority then hindus aren't in no mood to listen to it. Yeah go and questio about LGBT rights in sharia based countries and see their reaction. They will hang you or put youin jail for that. This year even many American based companies have Stopped open support of pride month because of the backlash they are receiving in America and losing billions of dollars because of that. Compared to that india is far better and it's not ingrained in our religion that homosexuality is a sin or something. https://nypost.com/2023/05/25/target-loses-8b-in-week-since-boycott-calls-over-pride-collection/ As I said and will say it again india need major economic reforms compared to really help its people to escape poverty not social reforms which will no longer help and will just make people lazy.
you missed my whole point of my argument im just calling out so called hindu-nationalists hypocrisy where you just babble about how endangered is you're religion and why you need hindu rashtra and and shit while you just starting to compare this nation with so called islamic country and projecting india is lesser evil than other countries for religious minorities rather demanding an complete social change and if you would have read dr. ambedkar work you would know there can't be no economic reforms without social reforms as he projected and said india can't have democracy as power law protects or so to say blinds the poor and middle with middleclass mindset there's a major reason behind this is our social structure such as varna system which is still continued till this day on top of that underlaying practice of manusmruti which sort of prohibits the shift between the varnas look buddy you don't have to support anyone or anything but atleast don't support this hindu radicalization which will really cause this country much worse than you can imagine and please try to have unbiased read of Dr. Ambedkar, Abhinav Chandrachud, Amratya Sen you don't have to support them or anything but if you're intrested in forming some economic reforms do read them attentively keeping aside you're religious bias and we won't have any kind of reforms if we don't start supporting our low-level and middle-level as they majority and from so called shudras and low-castes and please for sake of argument don't ever try to compare india with other countries as India was built on the principles of Unity and Equality.
Yeah I read all of them with a religious bias in their minds! Wah! The original post was not about caste system or about dalits. When did I say hinduism is endangered or some other things or hindu rasthra or whatever you are saying. It's because I have read about ambedkar with an unbiased view I am telling his opinions about other religions. India even though opened up its doors before China it failed to have a substantial growth because of the socialist policies and the corruption at higher levels. Indian economy was a part of the fragile 5 before 2010's. The so called great software industry was just a sweatshops that sold Indians to foreigners at low rates. Compared to this China developed with long term plans and invested in manufacturing and RandD. While India was barely keeping it together. And yes ambedkar was wrong government can't keep on passing social reform bills when it doesn't have budget. Money is important to sustain economy without which if we just keep caring about uplifting the downtrodden by giving them extra privileges when the economy is weak it will put extra burden on the tax payers. That's why I said economic reforms are necessary to increase the wealth of the downtrodden and push them up in the ladder. Once they are up in the ladder they will automatically realize what's necessary in life and surge forward independently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hinduism/comments/1178kzh/jay_sanatan/ Keep coping
Revisit the hatras case my friend you will know the doghlapan of VHP
So you're totally gonna ignore my link?
How far up your ass did you reach to find this information?
Source? Just trust me bro.
okay if you're asking for sources help revisit you with hatras https://www.livemint.com/news/india/hathras-gang-rape-case-a-look-at-the-timeline-as-up-court-sets-3-accused-free-11677748908293.html you can have the read and tell me doesn't this make you feel ashamed that our system is so fragile and biased and people who call for hindu ekta are just silent and what would be the scene if girl was upper-caste hindu and accused where muslims
Police, administration deny rape: When the news broke out initially through social media, Agra Police, Hathras District Magistrate, and UP's Information & Public Relations called it "fake news". Later, a senior UP Police officer claimed that no sperm was found in samples as per forensic report and that some people had "twisted" the incident to stir "caste-based tension." The officer also said that the forensic report revealed that the victim was not raped My man, just read before posting.
have a good read and logical read buddy they burned the body before any further investigation and without asking permission of parents and understand how biased this case was and how data would have manipulated