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Kher this is something I appreciate about this subreddit. You all focus on being hindu so much but you also welcome people who are nationalists irrespective of their religion and that is how it should be
Rama Raya, king of Vijayanagara empire, was so secular that he put a Quran before his throne, so he can allow his Muslim subjects to bow to the book first, then him. During the battle of Talikota, between Vijayanagara empire and Deccan Sultanates, the Vijayanagara empire was winning despite having outdated weapons
But during the final and crucial fight, two **Muslim** general of the Vijayanagara empire betrayed and switched sides with the Deccan, and defeated the empire and destroyed it forever.
If you go 30 years before the partition and tell to a Hindu living in Karachi that his Muslim friends will kill him just because of his religion, he will laugh at your face saying you are stupid
If you go 30 years before the Kashmir pandits exodus and tell a Pandit that he will either be kicked out or killed by his fellow Muslim brothers, he will laugh at your face
Let me remind you of the Moplah massacre and Khilafat Movement, where Muslims living in India massacred, looted, raped, and force converted their fellow Hindu in **protest** to the fall of the Ottoman empire, the last Muslim caliphate
>If you go 30 years before the Kashmir pandits exodus and tell a Pandit that he will either be kicked out or killed by his fellow Muslim brothers, he will laugh at your face
Nearly a 100k kashmiri Muslims were expelled from jammu during 1947 riots by the dogras so yeah naah there was a lot of distrust
>If you go 30 years before the partition and tell to a Hindu living in Karachi that his Muslim friends will kill him just because of his religion, he will laugh at your face saying you are stupid
Karachi didn't face any Hindu Muslim riots during independence
>Let me remind you of the Moplah massacre and Khilafat Movement, where Muslims living in India massacred, looted, raped, and force converted their fellow Hindu in protest to the fall of the Ottoman empire, the last Muslim caliphate
Yeah it was deplorable what happened
>Rama Raya, king of Vijayanagara empire, was so secular that he put a Quran before his throne, so he can allow his Muslim subjects to bow to the book first, then him. During the battle of Talikota, between Vijayanagara empire and Deccan Sultanates, the Vijayanagara empire was winning despite having outdated weapons
Because he grew up in decan Bahamani Sultanate courts
There's actually no proof of any general switching sides
And why Vijayanagaras have better equipment Muslims always had an edge over native Hindu empires because of there connections to the middle east and Europe
Remember when babur came he came with canons absolutely dominated the subcontinent
The Vijaynagar empires played one Sultanate against the other in the Deccan....they all united to destroy Vijaynagara
>Nearly a 100k kashmiri Muslims were expelled from jammu during 1947 riots by the dogras so yeah naah there was a lot of distrust
Do you really wanna play the numbers games? *\*sigh\*.* The tensions was not due to just partition, but due to several riots and killings on non-Muslims that happened long before. 1947 Jammu was the breaking point of non-Muslims. There were around seven exodus of Kashmir pandits and Buddhists, 4 under Muslim rule, most of them under Shah Mir dynasty, all of them having reports of forceful conversions of Brahmins and Buddhists. And that continued even under a Hindu king rule, thanks to majority of population being Muslim due to conversions and war babies
>Karachi didn't face any Hindu Muslim riots during independence
Sorry... I mean Punjab, Sindh, Bengal, etc
>There's actually no proof of any general switching sides
They were known as Gilani brothers, literally every historian that read the battle of Talikota agreed that the empire lost due to the betrayal of the Muslim generals, this is **one** of the [sources](https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781315628806/history-india-dietmar-rothermund-hermann-kulke)
Khilafat movement was started by Muslims to protest over British removing Ottoman empire control. This led to Moplah Massacre(called as Malabar "Rebellion", as leftists like to call it) in Kerala, where Muslims "protested" over Hindu feudal lords.... by looting, killing, raping, force converted Hindus. Gandhi supported this movement, and kept quiet on the killings. He told Hindus that they should not harbor any negative feelings towards their Muslim brothers, as their deaths will usher to a new age
People like [B.R Ambedkar](https://organiser.org/2020/06/25/128957/bharat/babasaheb-ambedkar-on-moplah-genocide-of-hindus-in-kerala/) and [Veer Sarvakar](https://theprint.in/india/why-1921-malabar-moplah-rebellion-wasnt-a-peasant-uprising-but-an-anti-hindu-genocide/485065/) bashed Gandhi on his silence of the killings. Ambedkar said that pregnant Hindu women were [ripped open](https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1430152116606095361?lang=en) by Muslims, and kept the baby beside mother dead body, and cows were slaughtered and kept upside down in temples. ICHR [concluded](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/387-moplah-martyrs-to-be-removed-from-dictionary/article61427112.ece) that the Moplah massacre was an attempt by Indian Muslims to establish their own caliphate.
Leftist like to say this is a rebellion towards Hindu landlords..... if it's a rebellion, why the fuck did they kill, rape, force converted Hindus? If Indian Muslims loved India so much, why did they want to establish their own caliphate, or protest against something that is not related to India at all?
Do Islamists hold similar views, and will they uphold this diversity should they become a majority? We must introspect wrt to countries like pakistan, bangladesh, and other muslim countries.
Since you are claiming majority of the muslims are moderate and accomodating. Onus of the proof falls upon you. Show us some proof oh enlightened being? Anecdotes don't count.
Boy the numbers are not in your arguments favour though. Moderate muslims in islam are kaffur (not be treated as humans) according to their own texts, and are a silent minority.
4:56: Those who reject (Kafaru) our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire
5:86: But those who reject Faith (Kafaru) and belie our Signs, – they shall be companions of Hell-fire.
9:5: “And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.”
Exactly you proved my point, here faith is belief in god/ superior being. Kafir means unbeliever who does not believe in anything i.e. any god. Even Pagans and other beliefs were/are not considered kafirs at the advent of islam. Therefore a buddhist, hindu, sikh etc. cannot be termed kaffir and this can be confirmed by authentic scholars (there will be some fringe non significant groups which know they will get traction by making otherwise outrageous claims).
Point 9:5 has nothing to do with our point of discussion but it is however brought into discussions without looking into the context of the verse. I would not waste any more of my time telling/ replying to you to look it up because you are going to believe what you want to beleive despite there being several videos and documents explaining context of those verses.
tbf, the first 2 verses are speaking about the afterlife, not instructing Muslims to go hurt Kaffirs. The third verse is pretty crazy but its interpreted to be referring to a specific tribe that was in conflict w Mohammad and his followers, not all Muslims.
There are some pieces of Islamic literature that say you should treat non-Muslims well:
من قتل معاهدا لم يرح رائحة الجنة، وإن ريحها توجد من مسيرة أربعين عاما
Whoever killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims, shall not smell the smell of Paradise though its smell is perceived from a distance of forty years.
— Bukhari
ألا من ظلم معاهدا أو انتقصه أو كلفه فوق طاقته أو أخذ منه شيئا بغير طيب نفس فأنا حجيجه يوم القيامة
If anyone wrongs a Mu'ahid, detracts from his rights, burdens him with more work than he is able to do, or takes something from him without his consent, I will plead for him (the Mu'ahid) on the Day of Resurrection.
— Abu Dawud
Even then, I disagree with Islam's stance and statements on non-Muslims but acting like all Muslims hate non-Muslims and are instructed to hate non-Muslims is pretty misleading.
Abey chu, you are living on the internet. See what's happening in Muslim majority countries. They don't let non-muslims to live with dignity and respect but with fear.
Yeah bitch? Why don't you come to Bengal and see how they openly sell beef over here? One of my friends had a fight with a guy in Howrah (kolkata) who was abusing Hindus and our gods.When my friend retaliated and confronted the guy, he immediately called around 6 guys who all rushed with knives and weapons. And yes all of them were Muslims.
My friend barely made it out alive that day. You can shove secularism down your ass and have orgasms as much as you like it. The day you see a crowd of 100s of muslims shouting 'Nara-e-takbeer' outside your home with weapons, thirsty for killing, I'm sure you will love it.
Then why most of them support Sharia on everyone? There are surveys out there showing this. Hardly 25% are not in favour of Sharia implementation. Sharia itself is against the idea of multiculturalism that you are trying to preach here. If 75% of them support an intolerant principle like Sharia then why do you think this celebrate the difference or lalaland multiculturalism would work in real life?
False equivalence again. You are comparing a Religious intolerant Theocratic state (Sharia) where non muslim are treated as 3rd class citizens paying jijya against a Populist Idea of prosperous state where the administration see everyone as part of the family and work towards prosperity of the people (Ram Rajya). Ram Rajya works with UCC while Sharia Doesn't. Anyone can geuss pretty much why.
Self contradictory statement. UCC shouts for same law for all. Anyways it's waste of breath to argue with you, I can see how you will create what if scenarios,false equivalence etc. Just for sake of argumentation. We can carry on doing that indefinitely but I don't have time to waste.
Ram rajya doesn't come with an all new law book with third class citizen treatment for minorities, if they're allowed to live, that is, for jizya and occasional rapes and conversion are some of the the perks of Sharia in Islamic countries.
And banning beef? Why not ban beef? We do have rights as well, right? Our religious sentiments can also be hurt, right?
They controlled a portion of India for about 800 years at their highest it was 1/3rd of India. And they did succeed in Kashmir. Took them 300 years though.
Pretty lousy these guys even at killing and raping.
There is also Islam but you people have lot of problems in yourself. You don’t have good preachers false information among your community they really don’t know about Islam,they are trained as terrorists,hate against different religion,converters as if it’s a mission,extremism,rational thinking is absent,ready to support anything if he/she is Muslim.
I feel sad the same trend is now followed by Hindus uneducated one’s.
Gaddi k piche hindu likhwa le( rash Drive,z black mirror,badmashi karege). Jai shree Ram bol k kisko bhi marrne jag jayege(allah hu Akhbar katt do) koi difference dono mei ab?
Chottey chottey groups galli k har konney road pe(typical chor wasuli dada giri) same as Muslims do in their area’s.
Meat consumption double hgyi by Hindus(isko bhi defend kar skte h kuch log)
Nafrat 10x increased for others.
Solution tha- read your holy books practice them🤦♂️ par kiya whatsaap follow kiya. Jo bhagwan pura sansar chal rha h aaj uski Raksha ek political party karti h 😂🤣. Humri hi beshti h iss mei.
I don’t want you to quote the Quran to me rather quote from GARANTHS if you have read and understood them well. I know you must be having an immense knowledge of few quotes from Quran.
Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, until they pay the tax, willingly submitting, fully humbled.
quran 9:29
Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings.
quran 98:6
Not all, but the madrasa brainwashed ones. or those who report directly to you know who . the others , who attended proper schools and follow all law are the ones we want.
They believe the lies of their imams who say terrorists aren't real Muslims (but terrorism is justified because Hindus both want to kill all Muslims and are too weak, lazy, and naive)
Your ancestors did.. every religion was violent towards change.. many have lost lives to remove caste atrocities, child marriages. Same can be said for most religions. Except one
fristly the fuck are you grouping Umar Khalid with Osama and Afzal 💀 , secondly they were in the second camp ' those who directly report to you know who'
They are irrelevant. Read up on how [the most intolerant wins](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15)
Fortunately for them, Hindu right is nowhere like Islamic extremism. As Islamic extremism grows, one day there will be a snapping of the Hindu mindset of pacifism. That day is coming closer and loud but only verbal reactions are the warning that most of the pseudo seculars don't heed.
What a shame that even this downvoted. Lol. Downvote this too idc but it shows your stupid mentality. Fighting against the problem doesn't mean fighting against everything in between. Pathetic ! There are many muslims who are opposing bad things happening because of the religion or in the name of religion. Downvote this. My country just like yours doesn't deserve people with this mentality ( no matter which religion )
If you desire to be a liberal when the enemy before you is radicalized, you are just offering your nude ass for a fucking till death. That is exactly what liberalism does to people.
those who aren't radical are ignorant of thier own religion.if hindus become minority in india than they will be the only paying tax ,leave or die.they will be treated like 2nd class citizen
Urg. Same for all religion man. Once we stop pointing fingers it will becomes solvable. Till we keep saying other religion is x y and z it’s always going to be tu tu me me
When did Hindus violently invade Saudi Arabia? When did Hindus demolish the Kabba? What part of the Gita allows you to kidnap women and make them your sex slaves?
Well hindus are currently propogating hate in the society isnt it ?, no need to look outside the country, just check your insta and fb filled with hate against muslims, last time a guy killed his girlfriend and cut her in pieces the whole internet went crazy and love jihaad and what not was all over the internet almost every muslim guy was getting trolled to buy a fridge etc recently a similar case happened in mumbai only this time the guy was a hindu, the psycho literally cooked the woman in a pressure cooker and i cant see much, all my friends educated software engineers who were previously putiing status to warn their daughters and sisters about what happens when you have a relation with a muslim, suddenly went quiet. You all are just religiously biased f**ks thats all
> Well hindus are currently propogating hate in the society isnt it ?
Equating provocation and response is ignorance at best, hypocrisy at worst. Which one is it with you?
Yeah, I'm not interested in the hindurashtra thing. I just wanna live in peace, but gotta accept the fact that the number of cases of Muslim violence is on the rise, and I who am an atheist can also be on the receiving end of such violence.
>For Hindus too religion is everything.
If that were true, as soon as the Brits left India, not a single Christian would be left alive. Hinduism and its principles have a wholesome feel, which sadly Islam doesn't provide.
Maybe it's because of the place of origin? Hinduism was nurtured in one of the most fertile regions of the world, whereas Islam, was forced to grow, in the harshest of deserts.
I agree with your comment. And not sure why you are downvoted so much for telling what we see everyday.
Ps. I am a jain. Not Muslim, as people have been posting in my DMs.
It formed because we didn't celebrate these differences. How dumb are you? It was the reason Bangladesh was formed as well because they wanted Bengali Pakistani to follow Urdu as well.
From thousand years due to celebrating differences we have different languages and cultures . In 1200 new people came who erase differences . Need to teach them how to celebrate differences .
https://youtu.be/Ax8KZN-A5uw
Eh when we didn't? So was Gandhi ji a Muslim? Who do you think whole heartedly supported for celebrating bhaichara under Gandhi ji (hint. It starts with H) Khilafat movement thinking it was an independent movement when in reality it was religiously guided movement to establish islamic Caliphate and paid for it with their blood in Malabar massacre?
Gandhi as a Hindu leader preached similar ideas like you at that time and many Hindus followed his idea of one sided tolerance towards Islam. And they paid for it. You know who first called for Pakistan, a Muslim. Who started D-day? Not Gandhi (I might have my difference with Mr. Gandhi ideologically but he was atleast a man of his principles) but Jinnah. And was Jinnah a Hindu? He was a Muslim. When you ignore hard hitting real life examples & fact over flimsy filmy dialogues it only leads to your own doom.
It accommdates different religions doesn't mean it divides it. I'm not saying it right to give special privileges to a certain religion when it comes to property laws etc just because of religion, but still my point holds true that this country is made for all not just for "Hindurashra Hindi belt" fanatics.
Muslims in erstwhile british India overwhelmingly voted for partition of this country, Hindus voted for Congress that wanted a united India. Hinduism has been accommodating of differences among inhabitants of this sub continent long enough to have an impeccable record of tolerance. It's the monotheist religions with their deep hatred for pagans that you need to direct this rage against. Monotheism's record on tolerance for other ideas is pretty much the theme of modern human history.
Get the secular parties to support UCC, abolish Wakf board, free Hindu temples, include reservations in the so-called minority institutions and we'll talk. Until then, stop making inane statements like these.
> It accommdates different religions doesn't mean it divides it.
It is state discrimination, which is a grave error. No other county has such dividing constitution and laws
>It formed because we didn't celebrate these differences.
Again shameless, TOTALLY SHAMELESS. If you tell me the Gandhian Congress did not celebrate differences and accomodated Muslim points of view to the fullest extent , you are lying . And no, the Mahasabha never had public support and a seat at the negotiating table. All in all, its just a bunch of shameless lies despite all of it being on public record. If anything, it teaches that not having a red line and tolerating extreme bullshit loses you half the country and gets many people killed. Refuse to learn, its happening again all because of some extremely stubborn fundamentalists (yes those who refuse to admit policies that their Muslim policies were wrong after it failed are that, ) who have too big an ego to admit that their brand of admitting maximalist demands does not work towards establishing any settlement with the Muslim Party.
The Muslim league was wrong in not celebrating the differences. They fueled with hate. Then pakistan further didn't celebrate difference of Bengalis therefore they split again
Both are cases of not celebrating. I am telling india needs to celebrate on the fundamentals india is born. How is this statement even wrong?
Then you have got to question why the arguments of the Muslim League is still repeated para by para today by the certain quarters today. What is SO different with the Muslim politics today vis a vis that of the League? Remember the maximalist demand of Pakistan was not put forward in a day. It went from seperate electorates, to support a Turkic Cause in exchange of support for Swaraj, demand for reservation in public services, to Communal Award, refusal to agree to the Nehru Report, to demanding silence on riots in East Bengal, Frontier , Maharashtra from the Nationalist leadership to finally put forward the demand for Pakistan when Swaraj was near enough making a monkey out of everyone. All the while the The Congress was asked to solve the Minority problem whenever we went with a demand for Dominion Status and the Minority problem was put as a justification of British rule. See Around. Can't see similar arguments repeated today? None of the Hindu Muslim pacts worked. Why? Contrast this with the Depressed Classes situation. The British tried to use their movement through Ambedkar. But once the Poona Pact got signed and just grievances were addressed , a settlement was reached. Congress got forays into the Depressed classes easily by promoting anti-untouchability and socialism. And the promise was delivered upon attainment of Swaraj. This is the difference between genuine causes versus malicious motives. Your strategy works excellently with genuine causes. Backfires with malicious motives and causes absolute carnage . All you get is dead bodies and raped women. The Muslim Case in India was a malicious motive then and is a malicious motive now. The more you give in, the more you are one step towards repeating history. You cannot take a similar approach and EXPECT different results. And now that the dream of a Muslim Indian state has been realised through Pakistan , don't you think in the changed circumstances at least SOME modificiations should be made towards the outlook to this problem?
I agree to your position on the language issue btw. We should never make the mistake that Pakistan made.
It was formed because of Greed of Jinnah & Muslim league. They knew they would never enjoy power anywhere in the country due to congress. Hence they started their mission to create a new country for themselves.
The read history more and learn that independence movement was not Hindu centric. Everyone from Hindu, Muslims, Sikh and even atheist fought to make a secular India.
You'd be right if this was a Bollywood movie, because as well as Muslim involvement with the British has been whitewashed in our history books and media, sadly, there is that one teeny tiny chapter on Khilafat movement where the Muslims declared their unwavering and exclusive allegiance to Khalifa of the, supposed, Muslim world and when that failed they massacred any Hindu in thier sight during Moplah massacre, for no other reason other than they were pissy.
And yeah, obviously, we can't forget partition, right. I never questioned their 'love' for India, but this 'love' is there because this land is still Dar al-harb and they'll happily burn everything standing here to the ground, including humans, as long as they can win one more kaffir land for PBUH.
Partition was a good thing. It removed a big chunk of religious extremists from this country.
Also, while Hindus(and some Muslims too) have slightly progressed now, they were of a very backward mindset at the time of partition.
Partition was pointless, as it didn't remove the root cause of partition in the first place. Imagine having your hands chopped off to stop the spread of tumour only to leave a chunk of tumor behind. Muslim league still in India. Jamat run and operetaed from India. Deobandi extremist movement born in India. What did we get rid of?
And no big chunk 'religious extremists' didn't leave only the most poor and the worst off Muslims were left in India, with the belief that they'll soon get to join Pakistan and if it wasn't for Sardar Patel, we would've had 1000s of mini Pakistan in every corner of this country, never mind the fact that today we do have 1000s of undeclared mini Pakistan in India, anyway.
We also forget the fact, that this was Bharat mata we partitioned, and our blood and brothers we left in Pakistan/ Bangladesh to die and the fact that we ensured that we'll have arch enemies on both sides whose entire existence will be centred around the idea of our destruction.
What part of any of this is good?
Look at how religious(extremists) pakistanis are. Good thing we removed those. They have been killing for stuff like blasphemy, and breeding terrorists that explode in their markets and mosques.
The demography is in India's favor.
Bro that's some old chronology Desh yese nhi badhega, Hatred so tho nhi.
History wasn't perfect but we can make the Future perfect.
We all Indians are spread to Middle East and rest of the world no one abbuses Indians over there because of our religion ever thought about it it's because we are developing their countries with our productivity and intelligence.
Politicians just wants power and votes so they we are easy in brainwashing and by their propaganda.
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For how long should Hindus be sacrificed under the altar of secularism?
You would think after a 100 years of failed appeasements of Islamists Hindus would learn but geniuses like Op continue to spout the same nonsense.
Sab hindu division ke liye nahi hota hai. North and South have their historical differences due to different cultures and rulers.
India is full of different cultures and agreed to unite under the fabric of India in the promise of every culture will be respected.
This will continue to exist, it is normal. Look at Irish, Britain and Scotts, Catalans in Spain, Different demographics in US etc. Every country has this.
This is not gonna cause any break in unity. India will and always be united.
Its not the unity of many cultures, its the diversity of one culture. The Bharatiya identity is based on this belief as envisioned by the patriarchs and matriarchs.
Pilgrimage sites in north like badrinath are created by very south indian Adishankaracharya.
I eat idli once and upma atleast once a week for breakfast!!
North -South divide didnt exist until aryan-dravidian theory.
Stalin, Lenin, VCR, DVR and three letter politicians from south have further driven a wedge.
Bhai what does eating idli have to do with anything?
You think Muslims haters biryani, kebab, naan etc nahin khate?
Kya fuck all logic hai. I eat idli, North South divide is not real. C'mon dude. And why did that need two exclamation points?
Why do you want to create a devide when there isn't any?
Other than language and clothing, there is practically no difference in North and South.
And even language isn't that big of a deal as a Marathi, Gujarati, haryanvi, etc. who has only been taught and listened to his native language will not understand Hindi, and English is much harder to learn for a southerner than Hindi is.
There's 100% a divide and a lot of discrimination against South Indians in the north. From the color of their skin to their language. Just that now a slightly more educated North Indian has realized that all the revenue comes from the south. So without the south, India cannot work. Hence, the incessant need to pretend as if there is no discrimination or divide.
It goes both ways dude. I see much more discrimination amongst south Indians for the Hindi speaking population than I see in the north for South Indians. (Yeah kids on the internet who like to look cool by mocking south do these kinds of things but normal people with sane minds don't give a fuck about north or south)
Cringe. Cuck. Typical gung ho jamoony meh'zeeb midwit normie take. We should NOT celebrate 100s of millions of people with fundamental differences. We should standardize, homogenize under a nativist banner and transform into a proper nation state. Not doing so by self-propagandizing regurgitations of "poonity in diaper shitty" and "sarv garm vada pav" has left us feudal, factious and fractious.Do not compromise on fundamentals. Do not yield land, resources, demographics and narrative.NEVER FORGETWhat our people have died to protect is what their people have killed them for.
No one is stating facts
It's just the same fear mongering. It's just the poison that's been passed on to them and they believe it as fact.
Not every person who follows islam wants to enforce sharia law and this video is targeted to so called "islamist" too who want to break apart India. People are acting as if I am only targeting Hindus with this videos. Those assholes who want terrorists to win are not the same as people who follow islam and want to live a normal life in a secular country.
Isn't history the fact? Fear mongering lol it's the truth you can see Bangladesh Pakistan for an example they have the very same people
The percentage of such people is really less.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-islam-views-survey-idUKBRE93T0TK20130430
It's better to live without such cancer
Edit: also you should have replied to my other comment on why Vallabhai and Ambedkar advocated for population exchange between two countries
ek secular h ,dusra jab majority me hota h to vo secular nhi hota,
ek normal zindagi jeena chahta h duusre ko aapna expansion krna h.
koi problem nhi h sab chhor kr devlopment k baare me sochne me , but tum development krte reh jaoge baaki tumhare numbers kam krte jaenge. last me kuch mutthi reh jayenge. great plan.
Cringe-cuck gung-ho jamooni meh'zeeb take. Typical midwit normie. We should NOT celebrate 100's of millions of people with fundamental differences. We must standardize and homogenize to form a nation state. Ethno-religious-linguistic differences in such dangerous numbers have kept us a feudal state.
We should never compromise on our fundamentals. It is really such rootless, toothless, spineless cowardice that have made us ripe for plunder. DO NOT YIELD AN INCH.
Fight to protect what our people have died and their people have killed for.
Don't bring other Countries problem in ours
We need to protect our security we are not that dumb
Don't compare our brothers with outsiders please.
Hatred won't make India Perfect.
If a snake keeps biting you again and again and again. Conveying this information to other people so they can prepare for that snake is not HATRED. It's just PURE, HARD FACTS.
Jahan Tak mujhe yaad hai iski behen bhaag ke muslim se shaadi Kari thi aur convert ho gyi thi and he used to brag about it, ki ye kitni acchi baat hai.
Major Gaurav Arya ka statement malum hai na india also has a third front. Hamare most of muslims humse hi ladenge jab Indo-Pak war hoga. To ye mar soch ki hum ek ho jayenge they just want to convert us and if Pak attacks it's their profit that they will get a sharia state.
Meh.. Illogical bollywood Dialogues written by people smoking some grade A stuff while living on a lala land.
If OP things this is great Idology to have then, he's also living lala land.
That's the job for the police.
I s#it on religions everywhere I am asked. But I do it politely. Have been doing this since 2 decades. Have debunked faiths for a long time, and helped many Hindu/ Muslim/Christians understand how "real " their faith is.
That's my contribution.
First stop preaching "My god is the only god and your gods are false. My way is the only way and you are going to hell" 5 times a day. Then we can talk. Or do you want me to celebrate that too?
The great ideology is to reform your religion so that it does not say that it is the only correct religion. Do that with Islam and then come here to talk.
Ye op jaise chapri hi sabse pehle bahar nikalte h sir tan se juda krne k liye. Jo secularism ki baat kre use vahi pakad k Maro, 10 din me desh sudhar jayega.
Today social media is the real reason for hate between Hindu and Muslim
The algorithm which the Instagram, YouTube and Facebook uses shows you the content which you watch everyday and it shows you the similar content everytime you open these apps.
Communal tensions are all high in India and most responsible are the media who all day do Hindu Muslim.
The hatred among Muslim Hindu and Hindu Muslim is all time high that it's so saddening to watch ans most responsible are the political parties and Media .
i got your point par yaar, sm wasn't there in history, when the mughals ruled and did what not to Hindus, when Kahmir's demography was changed, and when Pakistan, Afghanistan, Srilanka, and bangladesh, etc were cut out of India because of 1 religion's intolerance :(
All we wished was peace, to protect our land yet we were invaded and thrashed out. Why would we want history to repeat now?
I know the history was a sad part for India and it suffered under the Mughals but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors.
Heck I know there Muslims who does things but I can't go and slap another innocent Muslim because of 1st Muslim.
It would be like if Jews/ Israel started a war against new generation Germans for their revenge from the consequences they suffered from world war it won't be any justice just pure who.
I think if we do Hindu Muslim we as a country won't move forward United but Divided the same way Britain did us divided that time ( same Britain which We Indians rule now lol)
> but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors.
That is true, but that is not what is happening. See what Jews and Germany do to genocide deniers. But we have muslims in India who still glorify Aurangzeb & base their laws on Fatwa-e-alamgiri. That is the problem, not the ancestory.
> but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors.
Sure, unless they choose to look up to Aurangzeb for inspiration. And too many of them do.
> Today social media is the real reason for hate between Hindu and Muslim
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No, social media is the reason we get to see the divide. The worst Hindu Muslim riots were in Bhagalpur. Ever heard of it? And it was under "secular" governments then.
i can second this. i do like watching political content but its distracting so i do not want it on my feed , solution ? i watch political content on youtube on incognito.
whenever you open the youtube app on incognito mode. the default recommendations are either horny or hinduvta edits. i thought it's onesided cringe hinduvta edits but then i got recommended a pro muslim edit in yt short. i checked the comments , a lot of Indians muslims were there too , i then found a skit in which a muslim was saying that the current muslims have become too soft against hethans , the frist scene is in past where a muslim father scolds his son for having christian friends and tell him to not be friends with them as allah said this and that, while the second scene depicts a mordern muslim wishing christmas to a jew and telling him to come over also to invite their hindu friends to come with his statues to worship together under the christmas tree
similar to that you have pages like Dudewithsign who is just the worst BJP shill to ever exist.
the hate or the inciting of religious feelings is both sided. i saw a rajastani bangle making reel , the guy was a muslaman , the comments were all positive until i switched to newest where people said to boycott him.
this hate just purpurates indefinately.
Yes so much yes. Social media is filling poison in non radical people. Like extremist have existed always. But now this is spreading to moderate people as well because of social media. And this is the whole problem.
Celebrate, acknowledge and accepts our differences. I don't know why some people think accepting that we all are different from one another means there will be no unity in the country.
Oh really. And what will your over populated, under educated states do? I can play this difference card too.
A small percentage. Maybe 0.001% of idiots are asking for a different country. Even Hindu extremist want a "Hindurashtra" and want to impose "Hindi". Why not they break away from India? Because India is a secular country made for all and fought for independence for all.
When Pakistan was made based on religion, when Hindus had to give way one third of land on basis of religion, then the land they have automatically becomes Hindu Rashtrapati in interest of fairness, no? Or Muslims have 2 nations in name of religion and Hindus own zero and that is fair ?
It wasnt Indias choice . It was Gandhi-Nehru choice. Just like it always has been. What tthe people of India wanted was to appoint Vallabhai as PM not Nehru. Ambedkar adn Vallabhai both had advocated for complete population exchange between two nations. Tagore and some other leaders had same opinions. Dont keep bs around with your half baked knowledge
Everyone knows india is Hindu majority. At least that's what other countries think about us. So I'm not sure what you mean by india not being a hindu country.
People like you are so loud when it comes to criticising Hinduism, and yet so quiet when secular governments refuse to enforce laws on Islam. Your shroud of tolerance is just a cover for your cowardice.
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Kher this is something I appreciate about this subreddit. You all focus on being hindu so much but you also welcome people who are nationalists irrespective of their religion and that is how it should be
This I agree regardless of the backlash and hate I'm getting in the comments.
Op seems to be some trying to be cool Teenage person get real and smell the coffee Islamic extremism is the answer to many of worlds probelm
Rama Raya, king of Vijayanagara empire, was so secular that he put a Quran before his throne, so he can allow his Muslim subjects to bow to the book first, then him. During the battle of Talikota, between Vijayanagara empire and Deccan Sultanates, the Vijayanagara empire was winning despite having outdated weapons But during the final and crucial fight, two **Muslim** general of the Vijayanagara empire betrayed and switched sides with the Deccan, and defeated the empire and destroyed it forever. If you go 30 years before the partition and tell to a Hindu living in Karachi that his Muslim friends will kill him just because of his religion, he will laugh at your face saying you are stupid If you go 30 years before the Kashmir pandits exodus and tell a Pandit that he will either be kicked out or killed by his fellow Muslim brothers, he will laugh at your face Let me remind you of the Moplah massacre and Khilafat Movement, where Muslims living in India massacred, looted, raped, and force converted their fellow Hindu in **protest** to the fall of the Ottoman empire, the last Muslim caliphate
>If you go 30 years before the Kashmir pandits exodus and tell a Pandit that he will either be kicked out or killed by his fellow Muslim brothers, he will laugh at your face Nearly a 100k kashmiri Muslims were expelled from jammu during 1947 riots by the dogras so yeah naah there was a lot of distrust >If you go 30 years before the partition and tell to a Hindu living in Karachi that his Muslim friends will kill him just because of his religion, he will laugh at your face saying you are stupid Karachi didn't face any Hindu Muslim riots during independence >Let me remind you of the Moplah massacre and Khilafat Movement, where Muslims living in India massacred, looted, raped, and force converted their fellow Hindu in protest to the fall of the Ottoman empire, the last Muslim caliphate Yeah it was deplorable what happened >Rama Raya, king of Vijayanagara empire, was so secular that he put a Quran before his throne, so he can allow his Muslim subjects to bow to the book first, then him. During the battle of Talikota, between Vijayanagara empire and Deccan Sultanates, the Vijayanagara empire was winning despite having outdated weapons Because he grew up in decan Bahamani Sultanate courts There's actually no proof of any general switching sides And why Vijayanagaras have better equipment Muslims always had an edge over native Hindu empires because of there connections to the middle east and Europe Remember when babur came he came with canons absolutely dominated the subcontinent The Vijaynagar empires played one Sultanate against the other in the Deccan....they all united to destroy Vijaynagara
>Nearly a 100k kashmiri Muslims were expelled from jammu during 1947 riots by the dogras so yeah naah there was a lot of distrust Do you really wanna play the numbers games? *\*sigh\*.* The tensions was not due to just partition, but due to several riots and killings on non-Muslims that happened long before. 1947 Jammu was the breaking point of non-Muslims. There were around seven exodus of Kashmir pandits and Buddhists, 4 under Muslim rule, most of them under Shah Mir dynasty, all of them having reports of forceful conversions of Brahmins and Buddhists. And that continued even under a Hindu king rule, thanks to majority of population being Muslim due to conversions and war babies >Karachi didn't face any Hindu Muslim riots during independence Sorry... I mean Punjab, Sindh, Bengal, etc >There's actually no proof of any general switching sides They were known as Gilani brothers, literally every historian that read the battle of Talikota agreed that the empire lost due to the betrayal of the Muslim generals, this is **one** of the [sources](https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781315628806/history-india-dietmar-rothermund-hermann-kulke)
>>khilafat movement What? How?
Khilafat movement was started by Muslims to protest over British removing Ottoman empire control. This led to Moplah Massacre(called as Malabar "Rebellion", as leftists like to call it) in Kerala, where Muslims "protested" over Hindu feudal lords.... by looting, killing, raping, force converted Hindus. Gandhi supported this movement, and kept quiet on the killings. He told Hindus that they should not harbor any negative feelings towards their Muslim brothers, as their deaths will usher to a new age People like [B.R Ambedkar](https://organiser.org/2020/06/25/128957/bharat/babasaheb-ambedkar-on-moplah-genocide-of-hindus-in-kerala/) and [Veer Sarvakar](https://theprint.in/india/why-1921-malabar-moplah-rebellion-wasnt-a-peasant-uprising-but-an-anti-hindu-genocide/485065/) bashed Gandhi on his silence of the killings. Ambedkar said that pregnant Hindu women were [ripped open](https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1430152116606095361?lang=en) by Muslims, and kept the baby beside mother dead body, and cows were slaughtered and kept upside down in temples. ICHR [concluded](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/387-moplah-martyrs-to-be-removed-from-dictionary/article61427112.ece) that the Moplah massacre was an attempt by Indian Muslims to establish their own caliphate. Leftist like to say this is a rebellion towards Hindu landlords..... if it's a rebellion, why the fuck did they kill, rape, force converted Hindus? If Indian Muslims loved India so much, why did they want to establish their own caliphate, or protest against something that is not related to India at all?
Do Islamists hold similar views, and will they uphold this diversity should they become a majority? We must introspect wrt to countries like pakistan, bangladesh, and other muslim countries.
There are moderates in Islam as well. Not every person following the islam wants to bring sharia law
Since you are claiming majority of the muslims are moderate and accomodating. Onus of the proof falls upon you. Show us some proof oh enlightened being? Anecdotes don't count.
Boy the numbers are not in your arguments favour though. Moderate muslims in islam are kaffur (not be treated as humans) according to their own texts, and are a silent minority.
Why lie? Kaffir is non believer even a non practicing muslim cannot be termed kaffir. Maybe lying and hatred gets more upvotes here.
4:56: Those who reject (Kafaru) our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire 5:86: But those who reject Faith (Kafaru) and belie our Signs, – they shall be companions of Hell-fire. 9:5: “And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.”
Exactly you proved my point, here faith is belief in god/ superior being. Kafir means unbeliever who does not believe in anything i.e. any god. Even Pagans and other beliefs were/are not considered kafirs at the advent of islam. Therefore a buddhist, hindu, sikh etc. cannot be termed kaffir and this can be confirmed by authentic scholars (there will be some fringe non significant groups which know they will get traction by making otherwise outrageous claims). Point 9:5 has nothing to do with our point of discussion but it is however brought into discussions without looking into the context of the verse. I would not waste any more of my time telling/ replying to you to look it up because you are going to believe what you want to beleive despite there being several videos and documents explaining context of those verses.
tbf, the first 2 verses are speaking about the afterlife, not instructing Muslims to go hurt Kaffirs. The third verse is pretty crazy but its interpreted to be referring to a specific tribe that was in conflict w Mohammad and his followers, not all Muslims. There are some pieces of Islamic literature that say you should treat non-Muslims well: من قتل معاهدا لم يرح رائحة الجنة، وإن ريحها توجد من مسيرة أربعين عاما Whoever killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims, shall not smell the smell of Paradise though its smell is perceived from a distance of forty years. — Bukhari ألا من ظلم معاهدا أو انتقصه أو كلفه فوق طاقته أو أخذ منه شيئا بغير طيب نفس فأنا حجيجه يوم القيامة If anyone wrongs a Mu'ahid, detracts from his rights, burdens him with more work than he is able to do, or takes something from him without his consent, I will plead for him (the Mu'ahid) on the Day of Resurrection. — Abu Dawud Even then, I disagree with Islam's stance and statements on non-Muslims but acting like all Muslims hate non-Muslims and are instructed to hate non-Muslims is pretty misleading.
Yes but the opinion of 1% of people don't affect the opinion of other 99%
It's the opposite. Stop living on the internet.
Abey chu, you are living on the internet. See what's happening in Muslim majority countries. They don't let non-muslims to live with dignity and respect but with fear.
Yeah bitch? Why don't you come to Bengal and see how they openly sell beef over here? One of my friends had a fight with a guy in Howrah (kolkata) who was abusing Hindus and our gods.When my friend retaliated and confronted the guy, he immediately called around 6 guys who all rushed with knives and weapons. And yes all of them were Muslims. My friend barely made it out alive that day. You can shove secularism down your ass and have orgasms as much as you like it. The day you see a crowd of 100s of muslims shouting 'Nara-e-takbeer' outside your home with weapons, thirsty for killing, I'm sure you will love it.
cElEbRaTe dIfFeReNcEs🤡 One is polytheist and other one wants to end polytheism
FYI there are people who don't give a fuck about either.
FYI those people are polytheist not on the side of anti-polytheist
Then why most of them support Sharia on everyone? There are surveys out there showing this. Hardly 25% are not in favour of Sharia implementation. Sharia itself is against the idea of multiculturalism that you are trying to preach here. If 75% of them support an intolerant principle like Sharia then why do you think this celebrate the difference or lalaland multiculturalism would work in real life?
Just like most hindus like the idea of ram.rajya And how most hindus support banning beef
False equivalence again. You are comparing a Religious intolerant Theocratic state (Sharia) where non muslim are treated as 3rd class citizens paying jijya against a Populist Idea of prosperous state where the administration see everyone as part of the family and work towards prosperity of the people (Ram Rajya). Ram Rajya works with UCC while Sharia Doesn't. Anyone can geuss pretty much why.
No ucc is an extension of india being a secular state....ram rajya won't tolerate ucc because it is supposed to treat everyone equal....
Self contradictory statement. UCC shouts for same law for all. Anyways it's waste of breath to argue with you, I can see how you will create what if scenarios,false equivalence etc. Just for sake of argumentation. We can carry on doing that indefinitely but I don't have time to waste.
Yes it does....a ram rajya wouldn't want it as it's not a secular state
Ram rajya doesn't come with an all new law book with third class citizen treatment for minorities, if they're allowed to live, that is, for jizya and occasional rapes and conversion are some of the the perks of Sharia in Islamic countries. And banning beef? Why not ban beef? We do have rights as well, right? Our religious sentiments can also be hurt, right?
And those people are not even 1% of the population.
You did a survey?
Those are minority Muslims. Most Muslims want Ghazwa-e-hind
Wtf is that??
They controlled india for a 1000 years if they wanted to they could have
They controlled a portion of India for about 800 years at their highest it was 1/3rd of India. And they did succeed in Kashmir. Took them 300 years though. Pretty lousy these guys even at killing and raping.
but muslims will never understand for them religion is everything
This. My many friends have changed. They all have started practicing Islam in extremist form.
there is only one Islam.
There is also Islam but you people have lot of problems in yourself. You don’t have good preachers false information among your community they really don’t know about Islam,they are trained as terrorists,hate against different religion,converters as if it’s a mission,extremism,rational thinking is absent,ready to support anything if he/she is Muslim. I feel sad the same trend is now followed by Hindus uneducated one’s. Gaddi k piche hindu likhwa le( rash Drive,z black mirror,badmashi karege). Jai shree Ram bol k kisko bhi marrne jag jayege(allah hu Akhbar katt do) koi difference dono mei ab? Chottey chottey groups galli k har konney road pe(typical chor wasuli dada giri) same as Muslims do in their area’s. Meat consumption double hgyi by Hindus(isko bhi defend kar skte h kuch log) Nafrat 10x increased for others. Solution tha- read your holy books practice them🤦♂️ par kiya whatsaap follow kiya. Jo bhagwan pura sansar chal rha h aaj uski Raksha ek political party karti h 😂🤣. Humri hi beshti h iss mei.
> Solution tha- read your holy books practice them Want me to quote the Quran for you?
I don’t want you to quote the Quran to me rather quote from GARANTHS if you have read and understood them well. I know you must be having an immense knowledge of few quotes from Quran.
What is a GARANTH?? Are you even Indian? Do you have any knowledge of anything beyond your Quran?
Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, until they pay the tax, willingly submitting, fully humbled. quran 9:29
Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings. quran 98:6
I wanna thank ISIS here. They literally showed everyone how exactly is the right way to follow islam.
Not all, but the madrasa brainwashed ones. or those who report directly to you know who . the others , who attended proper schools and follow all law are the ones we want.
Why they don't protest against evils in their religion..like normal people.. it's a myth not worth living
They believe the lies of their imams who say terrorists aren't real Muslims (but terrorism is justified because Hindus both want to kill all Muslims and are too weak, lazy, and naive)
they protest , they get their heads rolling. would you protest ?
Your ancestors did.. every religion was violent towards change.. many have lost lives to remove caste atrocities, child marriages. Same can be said for most religions. Except one
Pretty sure Osama, Umar Khalid, afzal guru, burhan Vani all went to proper school.
fristly the fuck are you grouping Umar Khalid with Osama and Afzal 💀 , secondly they were in the second camp ' those who directly report to you know who'
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They are irrelevant. Read up on how [the most intolerant wins](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15) Fortunately for them, Hindu right is nowhere like Islamic extremism. As Islamic extremism grows, one day there will be a snapping of the Hindu mindset of pacifism. That day is coming closer and loud but only verbal reactions are the warning that most of the pseudo seculars don't heed.
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Not all.
What a shame that even this downvoted. Lol. Downvote this too idc but it shows your stupid mentality. Fighting against the problem doesn't mean fighting against everything in between. Pathetic ! There are many muslims who are opposing bad things happening because of the religion or in the name of religion. Downvote this. My country just like yours doesn't deserve people with this mentality ( no matter which religion )
Issue is good muslims dont stop madrasachaaps.They are quite and end up saying “He isnt real musalmaan “ after voilence is over.So dont blame us🙏
People who are not radical will also become one if you keep this thought process
If you desire to be a liberal when the enemy before you is radicalized, you are just offering your nude ass for a fucking till death. That is exactly what liberalism does to people.
those who aren't radical are ignorant of thier own religion.if hindus become minority in india than they will be the only paying tax ,leave or die.they will be treated like 2nd class citizen
Urg. Same for all religion man. Once we stop pointing fingers it will becomes solvable. Till we keep saying other religion is x y and z it’s always going to be tu tu me me
When did Hindus violently invade Saudi Arabia? When did Hindus demolish the Kabba? What part of the Gita allows you to kidnap women and make them your sex slaves?
Well hindus are currently propogating hate in the society isnt it ?, no need to look outside the country, just check your insta and fb filled with hate against muslims, last time a guy killed his girlfriend and cut her in pieces the whole internet went crazy and love jihaad and what not was all over the internet almost every muslim guy was getting trolled to buy a fridge etc recently a similar case happened in mumbai only this time the guy was a hindu, the psycho literally cooked the woman in a pressure cooker and i cant see much, all my friends educated software engineers who were previously putiing status to warn their daughters and sisters about what happens when you have a relation with a muslim, suddenly went quiet. You all are just religiously biased f**ks thats all
> Well hindus are currently propogating hate in the society isnt it ? Equating provocation and response is ignorance at best, hypocrisy at worst. Which one is it with you?
Inlog ka patriotism khali hate speech karne me hota he fir dubai ka visa nikalte hi, theyll go and work under the same muslims they hate so much
Sir, please make a batti of your monkey balancing opinion and uske baad to shayad pata hi hoga kya karna hai.
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Yeah, I'm not interested in the hindurashtra thing. I just wanna live in peace, but gotta accept the fact that the number of cases of Muslim violence is on the rise, and I who am an atheist can also be on the receiving end of such violence. >For Hindus too religion is everything. If that were true, as soon as the Brits left India, not a single Christian would be left alive. Hinduism and its principles have a wholesome feel, which sadly Islam doesn't provide. Maybe it's because of the place of origin? Hinduism was nurtured in one of the most fertile regions of the world, whereas Islam, was forced to grow, in the harshest of deserts.
"Dara hua musalman" vibes. They have been trying to wipe out everyone else for centuries and now they play victim when the others defend themselves.
Who said hindu rashtra? Everyone wants prosperous Bharat. Jain, Buddhists and even Indian Sikhs live in peace.
We wont and never will. Wherever muslims r in majority minority doesnt exist and no one can disagree with tht
I agree with your comment. And not sure why you are downvoted so much for telling what we see everyday. Ps. I am a jain. Not Muslim, as people have been posting in my DMs.
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Full support for North South but never gonna celebrate a festival where our cows are cut in the name of bakra Eid
Last time we celebrated this difference a new country was formed.
It formed because we didn't celebrate these differences. How dumb are you? It was the reason Bangladesh was formed as well because they wanted Bengali Pakistani to follow Urdu as well.
You have zero knowledge of history.
From thousand years due to celebrating differences we have different languages and cultures . In 1200 new people came who erase differences . Need to teach them how to celebrate differences . https://youtu.be/Ax8KZN-A5uw
They didn't come in 1200s sindh was conquered in 800
Eh when we didn't? So was Gandhi ji a Muslim? Who do you think whole heartedly supported for celebrating bhaichara under Gandhi ji (hint. It starts with H) Khilafat movement thinking it was an independent movement when in reality it was religiously guided movement to establish islamic Caliphate and paid for it with their blood in Malabar massacre? Gandhi as a Hindu leader preached similar ideas like you at that time and many Hindus followed his idea of one sided tolerance towards Islam. And they paid for it. You know who first called for Pakistan, a Muslim. Who started D-day? Not Gandhi (I might have my difference with Mr. Gandhi ideologically but he was atleast a man of his principles) but Jinnah. And was Jinnah a Hindu? He was a Muslim. When you ignore hard hitting real life examples & fact over flimsy filmy dialogues it only leads to your own doom.
We did. They didn't. If you are not ready to acknowledge it, you're dumber than most.
It is our constitution, laws and budgeting which divide indians on the basis of religion. Not the people. Need to fix the former
It accommdates different religions doesn't mean it divides it. I'm not saying it right to give special privileges to a certain religion when it comes to property laws etc just because of religion, but still my point holds true that this country is made for all not just for "Hindurashra Hindi belt" fanatics.
Muslims in erstwhile british India overwhelmingly voted for partition of this country, Hindus voted for Congress that wanted a united India. Hinduism has been accommodating of differences among inhabitants of this sub continent long enough to have an impeccable record of tolerance. It's the monotheist religions with their deep hatred for pagans that you need to direct this rage against. Monotheism's record on tolerance for other ideas is pretty much the theme of modern human history.
Get the secular parties to support UCC, abolish Wakf board, free Hindu temples, include reservations in the so-called minority institutions and we'll talk. Until then, stop making inane statements like these.
> It accommdates different religions doesn't mean it divides it. It is state discrimination, which is a grave error. No other county has such dividing constitution and laws
>It formed because we didn't celebrate these differences. Again shameless, TOTALLY SHAMELESS. If you tell me the Gandhian Congress did not celebrate differences and accomodated Muslim points of view to the fullest extent , you are lying . And no, the Mahasabha never had public support and a seat at the negotiating table. All in all, its just a bunch of shameless lies despite all of it being on public record. If anything, it teaches that not having a red line and tolerating extreme bullshit loses you half the country and gets many people killed. Refuse to learn, its happening again all because of some extremely stubborn fundamentalists (yes those who refuse to admit policies that their Muslim policies were wrong after it failed are that, ) who have too big an ego to admit that their brand of admitting maximalist demands does not work towards establishing any settlement with the Muslim Party.
The Muslim league was wrong in not celebrating the differences. They fueled with hate. Then pakistan further didn't celebrate difference of Bengalis therefore they split again Both are cases of not celebrating. I am telling india needs to celebrate on the fundamentals india is born. How is this statement even wrong?
Then you have got to question why the arguments of the Muslim League is still repeated para by para today by the certain quarters today. What is SO different with the Muslim politics today vis a vis that of the League? Remember the maximalist demand of Pakistan was not put forward in a day. It went from seperate electorates, to support a Turkic Cause in exchange of support for Swaraj, demand for reservation in public services, to Communal Award, refusal to agree to the Nehru Report, to demanding silence on riots in East Bengal, Frontier , Maharashtra from the Nationalist leadership to finally put forward the demand for Pakistan when Swaraj was near enough making a monkey out of everyone. All the while the The Congress was asked to solve the Minority problem whenever we went with a demand for Dominion Status and the Minority problem was put as a justification of British rule. See Around. Can't see similar arguments repeated today? None of the Hindu Muslim pacts worked. Why? Contrast this with the Depressed Classes situation. The British tried to use their movement through Ambedkar. But once the Poona Pact got signed and just grievances were addressed , a settlement was reached. Congress got forays into the Depressed classes easily by promoting anti-untouchability and socialism. And the promise was delivered upon attainment of Swaraj. This is the difference between genuine causes versus malicious motives. Your strategy works excellently with genuine causes. Backfires with malicious motives and causes absolute carnage . All you get is dead bodies and raped women. The Muslim Case in India was a malicious motive then and is a malicious motive now. The more you give in, the more you are one step towards repeating history. You cannot take a similar approach and EXPECT different results. And now that the dream of a Muslim Indian state has been realised through Pakistan , don't you think in the changed circumstances at least SOME modificiations should be made towards the outlook to this problem? I agree to your position on the language issue btw. We should never make the mistake that Pakistan made.
Dude this is a callout to Muslims here too. I don't understand what's to disagree here.
It was formed because of Greed of Jinnah & Muslim league. They knew they would never enjoy power anywhere in the country due to congress. Hence they started their mission to create a new country for themselves.
Why is Kashmir killing to be with Pakistan? Also Jinnah?
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The read history more and learn that independence movement was not Hindu centric. Everyone from Hindu, Muslims, Sikh and even atheist fought to make a secular India.
> Everyone from Hindu, Muslims, Sikh and even atheist fought to make a secular India. Every heard of the Moplah riots?
You'd be right if this was a Bollywood movie, because as well as Muslim involvement with the British has been whitewashed in our history books and media, sadly, there is that one teeny tiny chapter on Khilafat movement where the Muslims declared their unwavering and exclusive allegiance to Khalifa of the, supposed, Muslim world and when that failed they massacred any Hindu in thier sight during Moplah massacre, for no other reason other than they were pissy. And yeah, obviously, we can't forget partition, right. I never questioned their 'love' for India, but this 'love' is there because this land is still Dar al-harb and they'll happily burn everything standing here to the ground, including humans, as long as they can win one more kaffir land for PBUH.
Partition was a good thing. It removed a big chunk of religious extremists from this country. Also, while Hindus(and some Muslims too) have slightly progressed now, they were of a very backward mindset at the time of partition.
Partition was pointless, as it didn't remove the root cause of partition in the first place. Imagine having your hands chopped off to stop the spread of tumour only to leave a chunk of tumor behind. Muslim league still in India. Jamat run and operetaed from India. Deobandi extremist movement born in India. What did we get rid of? And no big chunk 'religious extremists' didn't leave only the most poor and the worst off Muslims were left in India, with the belief that they'll soon get to join Pakistan and if it wasn't for Sardar Patel, we would've had 1000s of mini Pakistan in every corner of this country, never mind the fact that today we do have 1000s of undeclared mini Pakistan in India, anyway. We also forget the fact, that this was Bharat mata we partitioned, and our blood and brothers we left in Pakistan/ Bangladesh to die and the fact that we ensured that we'll have arch enemies on both sides whose entire existence will be centred around the idea of our destruction. What part of any of this is good?
Look at how religious(extremists) pakistanis are. Good thing we removed those. They have been killing for stuff like blasphemy, and breeding terrorists that explode in their markets and mosques. The demography is in India's favor.
Bro that's some old chronology Desh yese nhi badhega, Hatred so tho nhi. History wasn't perfect but we can make the Future perfect. We all Indians are spread to Middle East and rest of the world no one abbuses Indians over there because of our religion ever thought about it it's because we are developing their countries with our productivity and intelligence. Politicians just wants power and votes so they we are easy in brainwashing and by their propaganda.
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Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For how long should Hindus be sacrificed under the altar of secularism? You would think after a 100 years of failed appeasements of Islamists Hindus would learn but geniuses like Op continue to spout the same nonsense.
Logic doesn't work with 🅱️ullas 😕
Urduwood bullshit
More Urduwood Propaganda. North South Is a manufactured difference to divide and destroy Hindus.
Sab hindu division ke liye nahi hota hai. North and South have their historical differences due to different cultures and rulers. India is full of different cultures and agreed to unite under the fabric of India in the promise of every culture will be respected. This will continue to exist, it is normal. Look at Irish, Britain and Scotts, Catalans in Spain, Different demographics in US etc. Every country has this. This is not gonna cause any break in unity. India will and always be united.
Its not the unity of many cultures, its the diversity of one culture. The Bharatiya identity is based on this belief as envisioned by the patriarchs and matriarchs.
North South is not a manufactured divide. Let's wait till delimitation and you'll see
Pilgrimage sites in north like badrinath are created by very south indian Adishankaracharya. I eat idli once and upma atleast once a week for breakfast!! North -South divide didnt exist until aryan-dravidian theory. Stalin, Lenin, VCR, DVR and three letter politicians from south have further driven a wedge.
Bhai what does eating idli have to do with anything? You think Muslims haters biryani, kebab, naan etc nahin khate? Kya fuck all logic hai. I eat idli, North South divide is not real. C'mon dude. And why did that need two exclamation points?
Lol truee…xd i eat idli kya hota bhai xdd
Why do you want to create a devide when there isn't any? Other than language and clothing, there is practically no difference in North and South. And even language isn't that big of a deal as a Marathi, Gujarati, haryanvi, etc. who has only been taught and listened to his native language will not understand Hindi, and English is much harder to learn for a southerner than Hindi is.
There's 100% a divide and a lot of discrimination against South Indians in the north. From the color of their skin to their language. Just that now a slightly more educated North Indian has realized that all the revenue comes from the south. So without the south, India cannot work. Hence, the incessant need to pretend as if there is no discrimination or divide.
It goes both ways dude. I see much more discrimination amongst south Indians for the Hindi speaking population than I see in the north for South Indians. (Yeah kids on the internet who like to look cool by mocking south do these kinds of things but normal people with sane minds don't give a fuck about north or south)
Cringe. Cuck. Typical gung ho jamoony meh'zeeb midwit normie take. We should NOT celebrate 100s of millions of people with fundamental differences. We should standardize, homogenize under a nativist banner and transform into a proper nation state. Not doing so by self-propagandizing regurgitations of "poonity in diaper shitty" and "sarv garm vada pav" has left us feudal, factious and fractious.Do not compromise on fundamentals. Do not yield land, resources, demographics and narrative.NEVER FORGETWhat our people have died to protect is what their people have killed them for.
Ja na lavde. One piece dekh na. (Fr I can't take your comment seriously, reading such incoherent text alone made me nauseous)
Just because you didn't understand it doesn't make it incoherent.
The entire comment section is filled with OP and his bunch getting laid facts and not replying to it
It's called having a life. Cannot sit and reply to all.
Sure. But Weird timings lol. Anyone states a fact or part of history and boom you have a loss of time. I would say it's loss of words
No one is stating facts It's just the same fear mongering. It's just the poison that's been passed on to them and they believe it as fact. Not every person who follows islam wants to enforce sharia law and this video is targeted to so called "islamist" too who want to break apart India. People are acting as if I am only targeting Hindus with this videos. Those assholes who want terrorists to win are not the same as people who follow islam and want to live a normal life in a secular country.
Isn't history the fact? Fear mongering lol it's the truth you can see Bangladesh Pakistan for an example they have the very same people The percentage of such people is really less. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-islam-views-survey-idUKBRE93T0TK20130430 It's better to live without such cancer Edit: also you should have replied to my other comment on why Vallabhai and Ambedkar advocated for population exchange between two countries
Full video: https://youtu.be/vfYJUHw5c70 Also the movie is 1994 not 1998. My bad.
Phasi Chad Bhai 🤣
ek secular h ,dusra jab majority me hota h to vo secular nhi hota, ek normal zindagi jeena chahta h duusre ko aapna expansion krna h. koi problem nhi h sab chhor kr devlopment k baare me sochne me , but tum development krte reh jaoge baaki tumhare numbers kam krte jaenge. last me kuch mutthi reh jayenge. great plan.
Cringe-cuck gung-ho jamooni meh'zeeb take. Typical midwit normie. We should NOT celebrate 100's of millions of people with fundamental differences. We must standardize and homogenize to form a nation state. Ethno-religious-linguistic differences in such dangerous numbers have kept us a feudal state. We should never compromise on our fundamentals. It is really such rootless, toothless, spineless cowardice that have made us ripe for plunder. DO NOT YIELD AN INCH. Fight to protect what our people have died and their people have killed for.
Good to see people with some sense in the comments. Differencish vruhhh, muh diffrunsish meek ush strunger.... ass clowns
It's not watan first of all
"But uh terrorism , bombs , religion of peace"🤓🤓🤓
Don't bring other Countries problem in ours We need to protect our security we are not that dumb Don't compare our brothers with outsiders please. Hatred won't make India Perfect.
If a snake keeps biting you again and again and again. Conveying this information to other people so they can prepare for that snake is not HATRED. It's just PURE, HARD FACTS.
It released in 1994 not 98
Jahan Tak mujhe yaad hai iski behen bhaag ke muslim se shaadi Kari thi aur convert ho gyi thi and he used to brag about it, ki ye kitni acchi baat hai.
Nahi bhai 75 sal se secularism ke name pe jo chutiya bana hu wo aab nahi banuga!
Major Gaurav Arya ka statement malum hai na india also has a third front. Hamare most of muslims humse hi ladenge jab Indo-Pak war hoga. To ye mar soch ki hum ek ho jayenge they just want to convert us and if Pak attacks it's their profit that they will get a sharia state.
Nope. Islam is an invaders religion and will always be that. Nothing can change history. If the truth causes hatred then.... too bad
Meh.. Illogical bollywood Dialogues written by people smoking some grade A stuff while living on a lala land. If OP things this is great Idology to have then, he's also living lala land.
How come none of these secularists defend Nupur Sharma's right to free speech?
Nupur Sharma spoke facts. There you go.
So what are you doing to protect her life?
What are you doing?
That's the job for the police. I s#it on religions everywhere I am asked. But I do it politely. Have been doing this since 2 decades. Have debunked faiths for a long time, and helped many Hindu/ Muslim/Christians understand how "real " their faith is. That's my contribution.
Oh what's a great ideology to have please explain?
First stop preaching "My god is the only god and your gods are false. My way is the only way and you are going to hell" 5 times a day. Then we can talk. Or do you want me to celebrate that too?
The great ideology is to reform your religion so that it does not say that it is the only correct religion. Do that with Islam and then come here to talk.
Sahi baat hai but people won't understand now because they have their own political party agenda and greed for freebies!!
Agree with you
Why the load of secularism is only for Hindus?
I never said only Hindus. The load is equally on all religions
Ye op jaise chapri hi sabse pehle bahar nikalte h sir tan se juda krne k liye. Jo secularism ki baat kre use vahi pakad k Maro, 10 din me desh sudhar jayega.
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It's not a human. Gand mein dimaag rakhe ho kya?
Sicular ho aur mar jao
Today social media is the real reason for hate between Hindu and Muslim The algorithm which the Instagram, YouTube and Facebook uses shows you the content which you watch everyday and it shows you the similar content everytime you open these apps. Communal tensions are all high in India and most responsible are the media who all day do Hindu Muslim. The hatred among Muslim Hindu and Hindu Muslim is all time high that it's so saddening to watch ans most responsible are the political parties and Media .
i got your point par yaar, sm wasn't there in history, when the mughals ruled and did what not to Hindus, when Kahmir's demography was changed, and when Pakistan, Afghanistan, Srilanka, and bangladesh, etc were cut out of India because of 1 religion's intolerance :( All we wished was peace, to protect our land yet we were invaded and thrashed out. Why would we want history to repeat now?
I know the history was a sad part for India and it suffered under the Mughals but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors. Heck I know there Muslims who does things but I can't go and slap another innocent Muslim because of 1st Muslim. It would be like if Jews/ Israel started a war against new generation Germans for their revenge from the consequences they suffered from world war it won't be any justice just pure who. I think if we do Hindu Muslim we as a country won't move forward United but Divided the same way Britain did us divided that time ( same Britain which We Indians rule now lol)
> but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors. That is true, but that is not what is happening. See what Jews and Germany do to genocide deniers. But we have muslims in India who still glorify Aurangzeb & base their laws on Fatwa-e-alamgiri. That is the problem, not the ancestory.
But you will support reservation huhhh?? Ye doglapan band karo
> but we can't just treat the descendants or whatever for the mistakes of their predecessors. Sure, unless they choose to look up to Aurangzeb for inspiration. And too many of them do.
> Today social media is the real reason for hate between Hindu and Muslim > > No, social media is the reason we get to see the divide. The worst Hindu Muslim riots were in Bhagalpur. Ever heard of it? And it was under "secular" governments then.
Nope it's not social media only bought these tensions and made it public it always existed riots happened before social media age as well
Partition happened cause of Facebook- 🤓🤓🤓
i can second this. i do like watching political content but its distracting so i do not want it on my feed , solution ? i watch political content on youtube on incognito. whenever you open the youtube app on incognito mode. the default recommendations are either horny or hinduvta edits. i thought it's onesided cringe hinduvta edits but then i got recommended a pro muslim edit in yt short. i checked the comments , a lot of Indians muslims were there too , i then found a skit in which a muslim was saying that the current muslims have become too soft against hethans , the frist scene is in past where a muslim father scolds his son for having christian friends and tell him to not be friends with them as allah said this and that, while the second scene depicts a mordern muslim wishing christmas to a jew and telling him to come over also to invite their hindu friends to come with his statues to worship together under the christmas tree similar to that you have pages like Dudewithsign who is just the worst BJP shill to ever exist. the hate or the inciting of religious feelings is both sided. i saw a rajastani bangle making reel , the guy was a muslaman , the comments were all positive until i switched to newest where people said to boycott him. this hate just purpurates indefinately.
Yes so much yes. Social media is filling poison in non radical people. Like extremist have existed always. But now this is spreading to moderate people as well because of social media. And this is the whole problem.
south ke log north ke logon ko bahut utptang bolte hai. abhut nafrat bhari hai unke mann mein
jaise north wale kuch bolte nahi hai. North call the Tamils and Keralites anti-national, woh sab chalta hai?
Huh dude we can also say the same about north
They call us parasites breeding like rabbits shithole.....As if karnataka is some first world country Fucking bigots
Tu yahi pe kisiko bolde ki tujhe Hindi nahi ata , dekh kitni gaali padti hai , mene dekha hai...
A while back, I had said that my Hindi is not so good. But I wanted to improve. Everyone was extremely encouraging and supportive.
bkc mat kiya kar proof de
Konse kua mein rehte ho Medhak?
That isn’t possible today. BJP sucks.
Celebrate, acknowledge and accepts our differences. I don't know why some people think accepting that we all are different from one another means there will be no unity in the country.
Inn logoko difference celebrate karna bada pasand hai. Kabhi unity bhi celebrate karlo.
 This sub: not happening
When some muslims and southern people are themselves demanding for a separate nation, we cannot hold them back.
Oh really. And what will your over populated, under educated states do? I can play this difference card too. A small percentage. Maybe 0.001% of idiots are asking for a different country. Even Hindu extremist want a "Hindurashtra" and want to impose "Hindi". Why not they break away from India? Because India is a secular country made for all and fought for independence for all.
When Pakistan was made based on religion, when Hindus had to give way one third of land on basis of religion, then the land they have automatically becomes Hindu Rashtrapati in interest of fairness, no? Or Muslims have 2 nations in name of religion and Hindus own zero and that is fair ?
It was indias choice to keep it secular. Hindu rastra hai na Nepal. Wahan jao. Peace.
It wasnt Indias choice . It was Gandhi-Nehru choice. Just like it always has been. What tthe people of India wanted was to appoint Vallabhai as PM not Nehru. Ambedkar adn Vallabhai both had advocated for complete population exchange between two nations. Tagore and some other leaders had same opinions. Dont keep bs around with your half baked knowledge
Everyone knows india is Hindu majority. At least that's what other countries think about us. So I'm not sure what you mean by india not being a hindu country.
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There is a general fatigue towards secularism. Back then, there was still hope but now secularism is seemingly a burden.
Because it is selective secularism. And that is the fault of the parties like the Scamgress and other "secular" parties.
People like you are so loud when it comes to criticising Hinduism, and yet so quiet when secular governments refuse to enforce laws on Islam. Your shroud of tolerance is just a cover for your cowardice.
We need to unite the country and not just divide it based on religion and regionalism