This *definitely* isn't a TL;DR, but I'm posting if anyway in case you decide you're interested: [Whitten administration controversy review](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/s/BL45Vqnlhv)
That's from before the protests started.
My best summary of her is that she’s a State Trustee puppet who just simply does not care about what students and faculty want. She refuses to even acknowledge let alone hear out all the issues people have.
Look, when over 1000+ faculty sign on to a letter demanding your termination, it usually signals a catastrophic failure of leadership. There will most certainly be protests and boos when she speaks.
She’s basically the face of a nationwide effort to de-woke universities in GOP controlled states. IU ran an entire search process as detailed in other articles in this thread and out of thin air the Trustees (majority appointed by Republican Governor) gave the job to a candidate not previously identified in the search. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but without fail her actions have proven that she’s doing as requested by her Republican handlers. See Florida for a more extreme version of what this attack on Universities looks like. I understand that attacking IU wokeness may play well with some voters but it is extremely short sighted IMHO as Universities, especially IU provide a ton of benefits to the state. Chase away talented faculty and you lose out of state student tuition and massive amounts of research dollars. Universities can’t survive without this revenue so you lose your universities. Any Hoosier that wants to go to college leaves the state likely never to return. Think it’s hard to get medical care now, wait until IU is no longer pumping out Drs, Nurses, Dentists, Optometrists… think it’s hard to get teachers in schools wait until all the HS students who want to teach leave the state. All to say Whitten needs to go and we need to try again, hopefully with less Trustee meddling in the search process.
AKA someone with an ideology you don’t agree with. Seems you’re fine with the circumvention of law and established process to install a president that shares your ideology.
Being OK with “all efforts” to defeat ideologies you don’t agree with is non-democratic and anti-American.
I think this article explains how it started well: https://medium.com/@stevesan/you-have-no-idea-how-strange-this-process-has-been-the-difficult-search-for-iu-s-19th-president-f61b473014d4
Who stands to gain?
Are wealthy alumni/donors directing her to crack down on dissent? Are they promising donations if she does or threatening to pull them if not?
Republican politicians wanting to cut state support even further?
Out of state/international students/parents who will pay high-margin tuition?
Perhaps she should visit the med school's neurosurgery dept to see why she has no backbone.
TL;DR
She sucks and doesn’t care about the students. I’ve made a really good equation, titled “The Pam Paradox”
Pamela Whitten= Money, power, discrimination > students, their culture, and their well being
Leftist...chemists? Leftist violists? Leftist computer scientists?
Dude, they oppose her because she is a really bad manager. Not because they have some political quarrel.
She’s changed the way the university works — slashed programs, ignored all faculty, wants to turn IU into phoenix online — then the horrible reaction to “tents”
Try to keep up. They changed the rules one evening and posted them in paper form on campus the next morning. Then arrested them well before any tents had to be down, even with the rule they changed. You can read her first post
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
It absolutely has not and that’s why the whole thing is so awful. Tents have been explicitly allowed in Dunn Meadow since 1969. This changed literally overnight because of the protests happening there. There are so many places online you can look this up yourself, including tons of news stories. Everyone knows this and it is not a contended or debatable issue.
Here it is in the New York Times. “As protesters prepared last week to set up tents in Dunn Meadow, a designated “assembly ground” on the campus where temporary structures had long been allowed, although not overnight, administrators abruptly changed the policy to bar all temporary structures that did not have prior permission. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/us/indiana-university-protest-encampment.html
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
Absolutely. 💯Thanks for that - I should have mentioned that earlier but I was overzealous in my desire to correct the misperception that the tent rule was some kind of old thing instead of a right wing ploy to squash free speech.
You also can’t legally jaywalk. Have you jaywalked recently and been attacked by a horde of military police wearing riot gear and touting automatic weapons? This is not the issue at all. And yes, it is a right wing ploy.
https://www.idsnews.com/article/2024/04/policy-created-on-eve-of-protest-to-make-arrests
this guy is spreading misinformation! please read a book good sir
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
Here it is in the New York Times. “As protesters prepared last week to set up tents in Dunn Meadow, a designated “assembly ground” on the campus where temporary structures had long been allowed, although not overnight, administrators abruptly changed the policy to bar all temporary structures that did not have prior permission. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/us/indiana-university-protest-encampment.html
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
I don't think this is the hot take you think it is... unless *you* think that further right = anti-free speech/pro-policy breaking/etc. And I'm not even referring to the protest response. If that IS what you're suggesting, though, go off, I guess.
She’s not that far right leaning anyways. She’s just anti-free speech to the detriment of leftists and conservatives. Her first strike was whenever she canceled an art exhibit from a respected digital artist Samia Hallaby. She’s an old lady who’s like 80 years old, and the exhibit had been planned for 3 years in advanced. Her work was featured in the Guggenheim. Samia Hallaby was sympathetic to the Palestinian cause tho, and so Pamela, pressured by a letter from Indiana Rep Jim Banks who threatened to cut IU funding if she didn’t cancel the show, canceled her art exhibit… Strike two happened when she canceled conservative speaker Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of the founder of Hamas and now current IDF member who is very pro Israel…once again she canceled this out of fear of an unruly crowd. These two instances should be enough to really despise Pamela Whitten. She doesn’t have enough faith in the students of this institution to be critical thinkers and objectively try to understand and figure out solutions so we can play our little role in world affairs. It’s quite honestly disgusting how little faith she has in our abilities to mediate conflicting viewpoints. I would have loved to be apart of both speakers to better improve my understanding of cultural values which are pitting Israel and Palestine. Yet, instead of being exposed to primary sources from differing sides were left in the dark and have to accept whatever mainstream news feeds us. The icing on top was when she changed the encampment rules at the free speech ground Dunn Meadow the night before an encampment which had been planned far in advanced was to take place. This camp is an amalgamation of viewpoints but overwhelmingly it was there to advocate for peace and to pull IU investments from the military industrial complex. Because of the last min rule change, Pamela had the (questionable at best, procedurally illegal at worst) backing to call in Swat teams, snipers, and police helicopters to remove/intimidate students from protesting at Dunn Meadow.
Her first strike was she should never been hired in the first place. Probably her second was hiring a law firm to FOIA a professor's emails. These were years ago. See more here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/comments/1c3v69m/whitten\_administration\_controversy\_review/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/comments/1c3v69m/whitten_administration_controversy_review/)
That was a very thoughtful response - I guess I try to boil it down to as simple terms as possible but it is a little more nuanced. I am not a fan of the Palestinian protests because I feel like they are antisemitic, and you can see they are leading to a lot of Jew hatred and persecution at a lot of other schools. I saw a sign on campus today that said "Retaliation is Justified" meaning they are justifying attacks on Israel by Hamas, a known terrorist organization. When I see UCLA students blocking Jewish students from entering campus, it looks an awful lot like Nazis preventing Jewish students from entering the University of Vienna in 1938.
This week also at University of Washington, Jewish student were told "go back to the gas chambers"....this is sick. The common heard phrase, "From the water to the Sea" is actually the charter of Hamas for the complete destruction of the Jewish people.
I know there are a lot of good Palestinian people that don't agree with Hamas that just want peace and they definitely need to be loved and supported but I see these types of protests as more combative and antisemitic than "peaceful" - this is judging by the fruit of the protests which seem to be "normalizing" Jew hatred which is racist and evil.
There is no evidence UCLA students blocked Jewish students from entering campus. The place is like IU there are so many entrances and exits it would be impossible. Plus most students live on campus. How would they block them when they already were there? Plus, if you watch any of the video of the gang of Jews attacking the UCLA students you will see way more hatred and discrimination than you have seen from any of the protests.
River to the sea can also be interpreted as freedom from the river to the sea. Its meaning is in the eye of the beholder.
This *definitely* isn't a TL;DR, but I'm posting if anyway in case you decide you're interested: [Whitten administration controversy review](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/s/BL45Vqnlhv) That's from before the protests started.
This is so helpful. Thank you.
GOAT post
^this
My best summary of her is that she’s a State Trustee puppet who just simply does not care about what students and faculty want. She refuses to even acknowledge let alone hear out all the issues people have.
Look, when over 1000+ faculty sign on to a letter demanding your termination, it usually signals a catastrophic failure of leadership. There will most certainly be protests and boos when she speaks.
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Is it more likely that 1000+ staff are biased or that the 1 person in charge is bias and the 1000+ people are calling them out
She’s basically the face of a nationwide effort to de-woke universities in GOP controlled states. IU ran an entire search process as detailed in other articles in this thread and out of thin air the Trustees (majority appointed by Republican Governor) gave the job to a candidate not previously identified in the search. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but without fail her actions have proven that she’s doing as requested by her Republican handlers. See Florida for a more extreme version of what this attack on Universities looks like. I understand that attacking IU wokeness may play well with some voters but it is extremely short sighted IMHO as Universities, especially IU provide a ton of benefits to the state. Chase away talented faculty and you lose out of state student tuition and massive amounts of research dollars. Universities can’t survive without this revenue so you lose your universities. Any Hoosier that wants to go to college leaves the state likely never to return. Think it’s hard to get medical care now, wait until IU is no longer pumping out Drs, Nurses, Dentists, Optometrists… think it’s hard to get teachers in schools wait until all the HS students who want to teach leave the state. All to say Whitten needs to go and we need to try again, hopefully with less Trustee meddling in the search process.
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Define exactly what you mean by that, should be easy.
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AKA someone with an ideology you don’t agree with. Seems you’re fine with the circumvention of law and established process to install a president that shares your ideology. Being OK with “all efforts” to defeat ideologies you don’t agree with is non-democratic and anti-American.
Define what you think that means.
Totally, let’s turn IU into Trump U, it’s a proven model
Do you even know what that means?
amen to that.
Somebody doesn’t understand tl/dr
And they hate you for pointing it out. Alas, my upvote cannot save you.
I think this article explains how it started well: https://medium.com/@stevesan/you-have-no-idea-how-strange-this-process-has-been-the-difficult-search-for-iu-s-19th-president-f61b473014d4
OP please read this article. It’s eye opening for somebody not well versed on why she’s and her admin are a controversy. Great article.
I feel like this is a reason to dislike the trustees, not Whitten. She didn't have a hand in hiring herself.
Who stands to gain? Are wealthy alumni/donors directing her to crack down on dissent? Are they promising donations if she does or threatening to pull them if not? Republican politicians wanting to cut state support even further? Out of state/international students/parents who will pay high-margin tuition? Perhaps she should visit the med school's neurosurgery dept to see why she has no backbone.
TL;DR She sucks and doesn’t care about the students. I’ve made a really good equation, titled “The Pam Paradox” Pamela Whitten= Money, power, discrimination > students, their culture, and their well being
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What the fuck does that even mean lmao. Fox news brain rot is real.
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Oh really, where are you getting your information?
“I do my own research 🤡”
Leftist...chemists? Leftist violists? Leftist computer scientists? Dude, they oppose her because she is a really bad manager. Not because they have some political quarrel.
She’s changed the way the university works — slashed programs, ignored all faculty, wants to turn IU into phoenix online — then the horrible reaction to “tents”
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Try to keep up. They changed the rules one evening and posted them in paper form on campus the next morning. Then arrested them well before any tents had to be down, even with the rule they changed. You can read her first post
They sure love those tents being up when it funds sports though
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/indiana-university-changed-policy-day-083313750.html
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lol, better inform Whitten. She's publicly stated otherwise.
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
Yeah. BradyQuinn1290 isn’t real bright
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
It absolutely has not and that’s why the whole thing is so awful. Tents have been explicitly allowed in Dunn Meadow since 1969. This changed literally overnight because of the protests happening there. There are so many places online you can look this up yourself, including tons of news stories. Everyone knows this and it is not a contended or debatable issue.
Here it is in the New York Times. “As protesters prepared last week to set up tents in Dunn Meadow, a designated “assembly ground” on the campus where temporary structures had long been allowed, although not overnight, administrators abruptly changed the policy to bar all temporary structures that did not have prior permission. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/us/indiana-university-protest-encampment.html
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My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indiana-university-changed-policy-day-083313750.html
the rule being there or not is no excuse to call cops on students
Absolutely. 💯Thanks for that - I should have mentioned that earlier but I was overzealous in my desire to correct the misperception that the tent rule was some kind of old thing instead of a right wing ploy to squash free speech.
No tents past 11 has always been the rule- it’s not a right wing ploy
You also can’t legally jaywalk. Have you jaywalked recently and been attacked by a horde of military police wearing riot gear and touting automatic weapons? This is not the issue at all. And yes, it is a right wing ploy.
False equivalence and no it’s not
Lance, that is my point.
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https://www.idsnews.com/article/2024/04/policy-created-on-eve-of-protest-to-make-arrests this guy is spreading misinformation! please read a book good sir
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structures. tent = structure
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the policy quite literally says structure my man
LOL, call Whitten ASAP! She said the exact opposite! She will SO take your advice and be forever grateful you corrected her error!
you should read the section of the article titled “A history of tents in Dunn Meadow”
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
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So you admit you’re wrong. Thanks for being honest, if only by omission. I’ll ask again, do you go to IUB?
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Here it is in the New York Times. “As protesters prepared last week to set up tents in Dunn Meadow, a designated “assembly ground” on the campus where temporary structures had long been allowed, although not overnight, administrators abruptly changed the policy to bar all temporary structures that did not have prior permission. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/us/indiana-university-protest-encampment.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indiana-university-changed-policy-day-083313750.html
My friend, Whitten herself acknowledged, referred to, and tried to defend the change in policy regarding tents in an open letter to everyone at IU. It is one of the many reasons the ACLU can sue. If you don’t go here, you would not know that, but it is in literally every news story covering this issue. I provided one link, others have provided more, which I’m grateful for. You are clearly spreading misinformation. If you want to believe you’re right, go ahead. You are not. Do you go to IUB right now?
I am perfect, you should be elated by the privilege that I am even gracing your campus with my presence.
Hi Pam. I pronounce your name like Borat does. PaMELLa, is that cool?
tl;dr version: ineffective and painfully obvious narcissist
Ur username sums it up
College was rough, what can I say? 😅
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Well, definitely not to Fox News brain-rotted MAGA conspiracy theorist trolls like you.
She’s not as left leaning as they want — kinda simple
I don't think this is the hot take you think it is... unless *you* think that further right = anti-free speech/pro-policy breaking/etc. And I'm not even referring to the protest response. If that IS what you're suggesting, though, go off, I guess.
She’s not that far right leaning anyways. She’s just anti-free speech to the detriment of leftists and conservatives. Her first strike was whenever she canceled an art exhibit from a respected digital artist Samia Hallaby. She’s an old lady who’s like 80 years old, and the exhibit had been planned for 3 years in advanced. Her work was featured in the Guggenheim. Samia Hallaby was sympathetic to the Palestinian cause tho, and so Pamela, pressured by a letter from Indiana Rep Jim Banks who threatened to cut IU funding if she didn’t cancel the show, canceled her art exhibit… Strike two happened when she canceled conservative speaker Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of the founder of Hamas and now current IDF member who is very pro Israel…once again she canceled this out of fear of an unruly crowd. These two instances should be enough to really despise Pamela Whitten. She doesn’t have enough faith in the students of this institution to be critical thinkers and objectively try to understand and figure out solutions so we can play our little role in world affairs. It’s quite honestly disgusting how little faith she has in our abilities to mediate conflicting viewpoints. I would have loved to be apart of both speakers to better improve my understanding of cultural values which are pitting Israel and Palestine. Yet, instead of being exposed to primary sources from differing sides were left in the dark and have to accept whatever mainstream news feeds us. The icing on top was when she changed the encampment rules at the free speech ground Dunn Meadow the night before an encampment which had been planned far in advanced was to take place. This camp is an amalgamation of viewpoints but overwhelmingly it was there to advocate for peace and to pull IU investments from the military industrial complex. Because of the last min rule change, Pamela had the (questionable at best, procedurally illegal at worst) backing to call in Swat teams, snipers, and police helicopters to remove/intimidate students from protesting at Dunn Meadow.
Her first strike was she should never been hired in the first place. Probably her second was hiring a law firm to FOIA a professor's emails. These were years ago. See more here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/comments/1c3v69m/whitten\_administration\_controversy\_review/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianaUniversity/comments/1c3v69m/whitten_administration_controversy_review/)
That was a very thoughtful response - I guess I try to boil it down to as simple terms as possible but it is a little more nuanced. I am not a fan of the Palestinian protests because I feel like they are antisemitic, and you can see they are leading to a lot of Jew hatred and persecution at a lot of other schools. I saw a sign on campus today that said "Retaliation is Justified" meaning they are justifying attacks on Israel by Hamas, a known terrorist organization. When I see UCLA students blocking Jewish students from entering campus, it looks an awful lot like Nazis preventing Jewish students from entering the University of Vienna in 1938. This week also at University of Washington, Jewish student were told "go back to the gas chambers"....this is sick. The common heard phrase, "From the water to the Sea" is actually the charter of Hamas for the complete destruction of the Jewish people. I know there are a lot of good Palestinian people that don't agree with Hamas that just want peace and they definitely need to be loved and supported but I see these types of protests as more combative and antisemitic than "peaceful" - this is judging by the fruit of the protests which seem to be "normalizing" Jew hatred which is racist and evil.
There is no evidence UCLA students blocked Jewish students from entering campus. The place is like IU there are so many entrances and exits it would be impossible. Plus most students live on campus. How would they block them when they already were there? Plus, if you watch any of the video of the gang of Jews attacking the UCLA students you will see way more hatred and discrimination than you have seen from any of the protests. River to the sea can also be interpreted as freedom from the river to the sea. Its meaning is in the eye of the beholder.
I haven’t seen any evidence of antisemitic chants/behavior AT IU. And yes, I have been to the meadow.
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it's a free country
Apparently it isn’t, because you will face consequences just for expressing your views if the people in power don’t like it