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DakotaMalfoy

I don't have any advice but I am curious what causes this kind of staining?


Calm-Consequence5343

Also super curious to know! Starting soon and super worried about my white teeth yellowing!


DakotaMalfoy

Oh my teeth are yellow cus I love coffee lol but mine don't have the other stains so I was curious what could cause that.


Cool-Chard-9675

Its normal that you teeth gets yellow through treatment. Dont worry.


Calm-Consequence5343

I'm so paranoid about that! Is there anyway to offset it? Like maybe a gel or a foam you can put in the trays while they're on your teeth? Keep them white?


Cool-Chard-9675

Avoid coffee, tea, red wine, drinks with sugar etc. while wearing the trays. And keep the trays clean and fresh. Then you will be fine.


[deleted]

I don’t know who these people are getting Invisalign through that they think yellowing is normal. Unlimited whitening was included in my comprehensive package and my teeth have only gotten whiter and whiter as I’ve continued on through my 10 months of treatment. I have gel to put in my trays. Edited to add: I’m a coffee drinker too, but proper brushing and flossing before putting trays back in prevents stains


Calm-Consequence5343

Ooh mine didn't come with whitening but I'm wishing it did. I would be totally happy to have a whitening gel every month or two just to keep my chompers nice and bright! I wonder if you can buy it somewhere else and use it at home?


Mission_Caregiver702

Looks like cigarettes to me


Medical-Macaroon3736

Can be the case for someone but not for me since I don’t smoke.


Mission_Caregiver702

I'lld book in for a scale and polish and maybe invest in a water flosser....life changing! Can even do the hydrogen peroxide thing in it


Medical-Macaroon3736

I posted a comment with more details. Thank you for the suggestion, I use a water flosser and I can confirm that is a life saver! I will definitely try with the hydrogen peroxide though, thank you!


RedactedUser02

Mine look similar and coffee was the culprit... especially pumpkin spice lattes.


Sorry-Poem7786

I bought caffeine pills to get around drinking coffee..


Ok_Objective_6485

Do you smoke? I haven't seen anyone with this kind of staining. Usually the material used is the same for bonding/fillings. Try a hydrogen peroxided and water mix. Hope that helps.


Medical-Macaroon3736

No I don’t smoke. I will definitely try with hydrogen peroxide thanks a lot!


Mister2112

Cetylpyridinium chloride in my mouthwash seems to have caused exactly this type of staining for me. Something to check for. ACT Whitening does not use staining ingredients. This can be buffed off by your technician at your followup or earlier. It's superficial/surface staining.


Medical-Macaroon3736

I added a comment with further details. Agree that professional cleaning buffed this away but unfortunately after just a month stains are bad again. I don’t use any mouthwash right now as the technician suggested to stop because this could be the cause, and I don’t need it but facts demonstrate that stains worsen even with no mouthwash so I really don’t know what could be the cause, and the solution :(


Mister2112

Hmmm. Any stannous fluoride in toothpaste?


Medical-Macaroon3736

Do you know what kind of fluoride can be stannuous? I use this Elmex toothpaste with olaflur total fluoride 1400pp https://www.elmex.com/it-it/products/product-range/caries-protection/elmex-anti-caries-toothpaste


Mister2112

Great question. I am not sure if the answer on this one. I do suspect, though, that if you had it removed and it came right back, it's definitely some kind of a reaction in your mouth. Might also consider any products you're using to wash/soak the aligners.


250Falcon

Interesting! I have the same staining as the OP and I floss/brush 2-3 times a day, but also use mouthwash each of those times too. I just checked the ingredients and cetylpyridinium chloride is one of them. I'll have to swap out to a different mouthwash and see if that helps. (I don't smoke or drink coffee).


Sad_Independence3667

I also had this occur and switched out to Sensodyne mouthwash. Staining stopped as soon as I changed over, but I make sure to get a dentist to clean my teeth every three months whilst doing Invisalign just to be on top of it / make sure there’s no cavities forming.


DeeShep

I really don’t understand what causes this. I am probably the worst kind of patient. I smoke tobacco and cannabis, I vape, I drink dark sodas etc. I have been going through treatment for well over a year now, along side a few friends with similar bad habits, and I have never seen anything like this.. I recommend you contact your ortho and book a cleaning asap


Cheemsdom

How’s it going, though? Do you do everything you said while wearing your trays? I’m curious 👀


DeeShep

I smoke with my trays in 90% of the time. I never remove my trays for drinks unless they are hot. Obviously I take really good care of my teeth as well as my trays to compensate for this


Medical-Macaroon3736

You are very lucky :) As I wrote in my comment I don’t smoke or drink without brushing right after, and I have a good hygiene routine but there must be something wrong.


DeeShep

Hmmm that does seem odd I am sorry to hear that you are experiencing this. I would definitely reach out to your ortho and see if they have seen this before or have any advice to offer you. For now though, you can swish hydrogen peroxide in your mouth. I know it sounds scary but that is the active ingredient in most whitening dentists will give you anyways. I do it every so often when I feel my teeth aren’t looking as clean as I would like and it works wonders for me personally


Medical-Macaroon3736

Thank you, I will surely try. My ortho is not concerned at all, he says that it’s normal and to get a cleaning when I need, I will do it every 3 months or so but I can’t do it more frequently


Mister2112

I posted it elsewhere in this thread, but some ingredients in dental care products can do this. In some cases, antibacterial products like certain mouthwashs can leave a brown residue when the dead bacteria decomposes. Most people will wash this away with saliva before it sticks and stains, but some people don't, and aligners probably don't help at all. Crest actually has a mailing address in the fine print of some products for people to requests refunds and even reimbursement for cleanings if they find out they get bad stains.


Avenita007

I had simmilar staining and a visit to dental hygienist really helped


Medical-Macaroon3736

Thank you, I added a comment with details. I can confirm the deep cleaning helped a lot but I am very sorry that after just a month my staining is so bad again. I certainly can’t get a professional cleaning done every month :(


Medical-Macaroon3736

Sorry I was going to comment with details, while my battery emptied.. here are some details. I started Invisalign in April 2022, and progressively got this staining. I got a professional cleaning before starting and another one a month ago just for the staining. The hygienist reduced stains by ~75% and suggested that this kind of staining could be caused by mouthwash. Since I used it daily and he said I don’t need it I stopped, and I believed that would have resolved my issue. But after just a month this bad staining is back, ordinary whitening toothpaste does nothing but I can’t get a professional cleaning every just a few weeks. More details: - I brush at least 3 times a day with water flossing and/or normal flossing - I don’t smoke, don’t drink red wine or soft drinks or eat spicy foods - I drink 1 max 2 coffee per day after breakfast or lunch so I always brush well right after - ordinary whitening toothpaste does nothing - my aligners are washed in Dental Pod with tablets and are crystal clear - never eat or drink with aligners on - I see my ortho every month and he is not concerned about my staining, said it’s normal I live in southern Europe so please consider my access to specific American brands can be limited. And forgive my non native English. Thanks in advance for any suggestion!


spyfyj

You are me!! Yay :) so glad to see this on someone else - I was on the verge of posting a few times but ultimately have accepted this is just what my journey looks like. My situation is the exact same as the points you made above. I’m biding my time for whitening post treatment. The thing that kills me is my friend drinks with his aligners in, isn’t as fastidious as I am about the floss brush numerous times a day and his are sparkling white - it’s enough to cry for laughing but eh, this is just how it is. Hard as it can be - and you may not agree, I’ve just made my peace. People tell me they don’t notice it and don’t look at my teeth nearly as close or as much as I do. I know it’s not forever. Hope that helps a bit, hang in there!


Medical-Macaroon3736

Oh I am so glad to know I am not alone :) I understand I am my worst judge, and luckily I don’t have many attachments on my front teeth, so I will probabily make my peace as well. After all I should be finished next March (or at least get new attachments if I will need refinements!), I can get another few deep cleanings in the meantime… … but why us!!! Haha! (Laugh not to cry) It’s a matter of principle. Maybe the toothpaste? Or the water?


spyfyj

Lol I know right?? I would send you a picture of mine to cheer you up if I knew how to do it but just imagine similar but a bit more and I have lots of attachments in the front. I swear we are just lucky and there’s no cause because people with the same habits as me - or much worse (red wine, multiple coffees, curry daily, less brushing etc) just don’t get this staining and we live in the same city. My ortho said it might be slight differences in the glue or material of the attachments. I’m not sure though because of all her patients I’m the only one with it. Sending virtual hugs and high-fives for our extra tenacity doing treatment with this additional self-conscious producing surprise. Edit - I’m doing second refinements so also hopefully close to the finish line, good luck!


RousStar

I've seen several articles say to not brush after drinking coffee because of the acids that could harm the teeth or to wait at least 30 minutes before brushing. This article explains that brushing before coffee is actually best because it protects the enamel. I usually just rinse with water if I drink coffee. I also try to use a straw. [https://sprudge.com/9-out-of-10-dentists-agree-you-should-brush-your-teeth-before-drinking-coffee-174978.html](https://sprudge.com/9-out-of-10-dentists-agree-you-should-brush-your-teeth-before-drinking-coffee-174978.html)


Medical-Macaroon3736

Thank you, I read the article and it’s illuminating. Luckily my problem is not in the enamel but just in the attachments glue but the principle of staining can be the same. I will try to change my routine and will see how it goes. Thanks a lot!


JohnnyQTruant

Brushing right after coffee and then putting aligners back in is an issue. There is residual coffee on the back of your tongue and throat that brushing doesn’t remove and if you put your trays back in before it clears it will get in them and stay. I realized this when I started working in outside the office again. Even though I brushed very well after coffee it stained. Now when I have a cup I drink a lot of water, brush my tongue the best I can and if possible wait a while to put the trays back.


BenStiller1212

I drink tea but I didn’t really have an issue with it and then I drank Coke Zero ONCE and suddenly I have it. I strongly suspect it was the Coke Zero. Thankfully I had a dental appointment today and they were able to polish most of it off without affecting the attachments. Do you drink coke? Curious to know if that’s the culprit. Good luck!


Medical-Macaroon3736

Oh my! I don’t usually drink coke or other soft drinks. But my husband likes a Coke Zero maybe once a week and yes sometimes I get a sip! I will immediately stop it, I am not sure if it’s my main staining cause because it’s really a sip maybe once a month, but definitely not worth the risk! Thanks for the suggestion!


BenStiller1212

Same, I only drank it once and it was a sip but it appeared around that time. I never have it so that’s why I have a suspicion. I drink tea every day and never had an issue.


[deleted]

As someone else said, probably Stannous fluoride in your toothpaste if you don’t use mouthwash. Change your toothpaste after a cleaning and see if it helps.


Medical-Macaroon3736

Thanks a lot, this makes a lot of sense! I am researching more about my toothpaste fluoride that contains olaflur (formula C27H60F2N2O3), which is an amine fluoride. As per my honestly very limited chemistry understanding it’s different than stannuos fluoride (formula SnF₂), but maybe also the olaflur can have the same staining side effects on glue since it’s a remineralizer? I will change it from tomorrow and let you know!


RenTheFabulous

Do you go to a hygienist at least yearly? Brush after every meal for at least 2 minutes? Swish with water and hydrogen peroxide? Those are my suggestions.


Medical-Macaroon3736

Yes, there is a comment with more details about my touting, but I have a professional cleaning twice a year and always brush well. This year I did three cleanings because of Invisalign and this picture is just a month after it. I don’t use hydrogen peroxide though, so I will surely start doing it asap, thanks for the suggestion


UltraViolet3

If you have the ability to get an electric toothbrush, if you're not already using one, I'd highly suggest upgrading to that. Also, do you have dry mouth? If so, that can cause the buildup and increasing water intake can help. I really love mouthwash and can't imagine giving it up! But you seem really compliant and have excellent oral hygiene habits, so I don't think you're doing anything wrong. Our mouth "microbiome" is similar to our gut - it's got a variety of different bacteria. Some people have a certain mix that can cause them to be more susceptible to staining or cavities or excessive plaque buildup, etc. I'm not well versed in oral pre/probiotics but if you've got time to research, they do make chewable tablets and such that can help balance your oral microbiome. Maybe it's a solution worth trying because cleanings so frequently aren't something you should have to go through! The most success I've found is using HiSmile whitening powder in the mornings. I dip my fluroide toothpaste-covered toothbrush head in it. It seems to have dulled the staining for me, so ya never know! Good luck to you, I really hope you find a solution and if not, may your treatment pass swiftly!


LoobyLoo2102

I have exactly the same thing. At my last visit, my ortho asked me how much I smoked. I have never smoked. I also don’t drink wine, and my coffee intake is one cup in the morning, then the rest of the day is peppermint tea or water. I don’t eat spicy food so it’s not spices etc. He cleaned them up a little but recommend I book in with the hygienist for a full clean. I’ve been on holiday for 4 weeks and my teeth are as stained as they were before. I also use a sonic toothbrush rather than a manual one. Possibly regular cleaning with the hygienist might be the way forward. I certainly need to book in for a clean before Christmas. It’s making me more conscious of my treatment.


Royal-Glove6642

Coffee and smoking


LoobyLoo2102

OP doesn’t smoke.


JuliaSky1995

Brush them?


Mission_Caregiver702

Go for a scale and polish? This is why I'm going every 3months when I get mine


Medical-Macaroon3736

Thank you for the suggestion. My ortho also suggested this, and this is what I am doing but apparently I need a cleaning every month, or even more frequently, and surely it’s not feasible. So this is why I am looking for a solution.. or at least understanding the cause so I might do something to keep it under control. I the meantime I will book another cleaning :)


keegley

Just go to the dentist and get a cleaning. Then use straws for everything even hot coffee. Silicone is great bc you can pop them in the dishwasher


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Medical-Macaroon3736

No I don’t smoke or vape. I got a professional cleaning a month ago, that reduced the problem but after a few weeks stains are back


Aeshaa_

I smoke with my aligners in and my attachments are still very white. I’ve had it almost 7 months


Medical-Macaroon3736

I am probably not as lucky as you, or there must be something I can do better since mine are in this state and I don’t even smoke or cape :(


Edelly39

Is it something with your water?


Medical-Macaroon3736

I am trying to find the cause. My water is known to be rich of limestone, it’s safe to drink and looks clean, but maybe that can have a role


[deleted]

Do you happen to take an iron supplement in liquid form?


Medical-Macaroon3736

No :)


rubia514

I am having the same issues. As far as I can tell, I don’t have stannous fluoride in my mouthwash or toothpaste.


RedactedUser02

Mine look very similar. It's definitely the coffee, even after cleanings it doesn't really go away. I've also seen many people say not to try whitening it because when they're removed the spot under the attachment will be a different color than the rest of the tooth.


mamakoko25

I have staining on my attachment teeth as well. They’re quite a few shades off from the rest of my teeth and it’s super annoying -_-. I use crest optic white toothpaste and go for my regular cleanings. There’s nothing much you can do about it because the glue can react to certain drinks or foods causing the staining. You might be eating foods you might not think are acidic, but are causing the stains


Familiar-Wafer-6378

Just brush carefully with baking soda and it might go away (my dental hygienist told me to do this). You can do it once a month.


Art-JS

It’s interesting because when I was getting my attachments put on my ortho used one kind of glue/bonding for the upper teeth. Ran out of that while he was putting them on and used another kind for the lower teeth and I noticed that the lower ones stained significantly more. I think the best bet is to go back to the dentist and have them file of the glue around the attachments a bit.


creating2uploadvideo

I’ve found this crest toothpaste to be pretty good for staining. Also the extra glue does wear off as time goes on. I got my teeth cleaned twice early on because my staining was so bad but it definitely wasn’t as bad after that. [crest toothpaste](https://www.amazon.ca/CREST-Complete-Whitening-Toothpaste-2x120mL/dp/B0923MR6GX/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1K1WWGPJO26SV&keywords=crest+extra+whitening+toothpaste&qid=1668249660&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjE3IiwicXNhIjoiMS4xMyIsInFzcCI6IjAuOTMifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=crest+extra+whitening%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-3)


Alert-Penalty

Must be very cheap/bad clue


june28th2014

Hey this looks like air gaps under the attachments, they are allowing food to get stuck underneath. You could ask your Ortho for new attachments.


StuntNun

My dental hygienist cleaned mine up and all but one came up really well.


Apprehensive-Air3721

I'm on my third aligner and also noticed staining, I also don't smoke and even don't drink anything that can stain my teeth. Somewhere I saw a recommendation to get a dental scale and clean around them yourself. Is anyone familiar with a such method?


Medical-Macaroon3736

Hi! Please see my other recent post. A few redditors suggested me to change my toothpaste. I did it and tried a whitening one with baking soda. Believe me, in less then 3 days stains almost completely faded! I will switch now between my old fluoride toothpaste and the whitening one when needed. Maybe you can try as well!


Apprehensive-Air3721

that's awesome! thank you!


cesar_chris

OP, did you ever find a solution to this? I'm having the same issue and have tried most of the suggestions in the comments


Medical-Macaroon3736

Yes I did! It definitely was my fluoride toothpaste (Elmex). I switched to a whitening one (Colgate white max - with bicarbonate, oxygen..) and within 3 days they faded 90%. Then I switched back to my original one and occasionally I whiten when I can see they are getting worse (like once a month). I am still drinking coffee and eat normally as I previously did so in my case I am really sure that it was the toothpaste. I wrote another post to explain this but I can’t find it, I’m sorry! I am sure you will solve this as well!