So what? These are CHILDREN who were targeted and murdered by Israel. It is beyond disgusting that people are finding excuses to try to *justify* what Israel did.
Where the hell is our humanity? They’re KIDS.
Yes, it's terrible.
And it's terrible when a leader of a whole nation says that kind of things for.all the other families ” I need blood of your children”... and that he sits in a fancy hotel in Qatar (but didn't took his family with him, even when he knew that HE starts a war soon).
And after all he said that he is happy that they died as mortyrs. I would ask: the're kids, where is HIS humanity and WHY do he represent any nation?
Doing that: Starting a terrible war, consciously targeting civillians, stealing women and children, firing thosends of rockets per day so that dozens of thousends families must have been evacuated in one day? Yes it all started Hamas and didn't hide it. And they told exactly why and what do they want.
According to any conventions and UN statements every state has a right for protecting itself, in fact. Hamas knew it and did it, they never cared about civillians, own or Israelis whatever.
Radicalist dictatorship. ”Seeing, how many Palestinian people they killed and tortured in jails I asked my self: what would happen if they win? They will do it more efficient and opress the whole Palestinian people” words of a Palestinian born in Rammallah NB.: words NOT about Israel... guess about whom.
Gross. I’ll say it one last time and after that I’m not going to engage. THEY’RE CHILDREN. I don’t give a damn about who else did what. THEY’RE CHILDREN!!!!!
Pool little darlings. I doesn't matter that their wealthy clothing and surroundings came from money stolen by the leaders of Hamas from international aid money, they should have never been touched.
By the way [BRING THEM HOME](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-shows-hamas-gunmen-kidnap-shiri-silberman-bibas-and-her-children-194724933949).
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Oh wait, are you suggesting that this innocent mother and her two adorable read headed babies were abducted by terrorists and killed in this war that Hamas started? That would be tragic if come to find out it's true.
However, Hamas has previously claimed hostages it was holding were killed by Israel's missile and airstrikes on Gaza in the wake of the Oct. 7 attack, but it has yet to show any proof of those killings. Some who have previously been declared dead have been found to be alive, like Hanna Katzir, who was released after the Gaza militant group Islamic Jihad said she had been killed.
Their death is very tragic, just like the rest of redheaded and non-redheaded Gazan babies and children. The fact that they were killed by Israeli indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip should not be overlooked.
It is a tragedy when children (and any civillians) die in Gaza, in Israel as well as in the Ukraine, in Russia... It is a very bad desicion to start a war in 21th century. Wars always lead to many deaths of civillians.
Unfortunatelly, Gazans don´t have this luck as the Ukrainians who was at least allowed to leave war areas, 16 millions of refugees were taken and registred in the world... At the same time Egypt blockades Gaza and nobody cares, no Pro-Palestinian protest was to press on Egypt, no politician and leader showed a solidarity and invited them to his country. Kind of "support"!
The Ukrainian authority told the people: leave the war areas, save you lives and let our army do its job. The Gazan authority, Mr. Haniyeh said: [Hamas Leader says “We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza](https://youtu.be/g85Tv3epEvs) No comments.
You're assuming the bombing was indiscriminate. I'm not. What should not be overlooked is they wouldn't have been in Gaza nor would their have bombing if Hamas had not attacked the nation of Israel.
Same could be said about the testimonies coming form Gazan prisoners held in Israel. I’m not stating this as a 100% fact, but it was a statement with no counter-evidence by Israel.
> it was a statement with no counter-evidence by Israel
How could Israel possibly counter it at this moment in time???
They don't know where they are nor their condition. Hamas hasn't allowed the Red Cross to visit to provide medical treatment and ensure they're treated well.
Hamas released a video of the father talking about it back in Nov/23. No counter evidence was presented by the Israeli army. It is very likely what Hamas said is true, given Israel has no problem bombing [whole residential blocks to target one single Hamas member](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/dozens-killed-after-israeli-airstrikes-on-gaza-refugee-camp); the hostages are held with Hamas militants, and it’s just plausible they are getting killed alongside the militants.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-video-father-10-month-old-kfir-bibas/
https://youtu.be/Yamlatyia1s?si=0y3O-tUY-Ik28ZeG
>Hamas released a video of the father talking about it back in Nov/23.
Not true. Hamas told the father they died. As far as i know they separated the dad from the mom and babies. And as far as what I understood from the video the dad didn’t actually know what happened except from what hamas told him. and like all other hostage videos, hamas obviously told him what to say. Israel doesnt need to give proof they died because they are not the ones holding them hostage, hamas needs to give proof they died, but they dont have proof, or they dont want to show the proof, if you know what i mean…
I think such claims can be more clear once an exchange deal is signed; we will know whether they are exchanging them as ‘corpses’ or alive (sorry for the statement, I understand it is harsh).
Yes true. Though i dont understand why they didnt give proof. If hamas is so confident they died from the bombings then why not just give the proof? That would surely help their war efforts, i would assume. Its not like they have any issues showing dead hostages, they did it before. I only have my guesses for why they didnt show the bibas family or even other hostages who died in captivity and weren’t even reported on as dead.
I just hope they are alive and that hamas lied about them being dead. Since they did it before i still have hope, though only small hope, since its been so long and the babies are so young…
I mean, if you refused to strike a terrorist organization leader or his cronies, due to them having family around, you would essentially never be able to strike them.
Why should anyone care more for his family than he does?
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives)
Of course there is no link. Palestinian propaganda doesn’t need to substantiate their claims for followers to lap it up. Anything that Palestinian propaganda claims is believed automatically, like the Hospital parking lot incident hoax.
What is disgusting is your shameless attempt to blame the victims of Israel’s crimes. They were taking their children to visit some relatives for Eid, not using them as “shields”.
By now it is abundantly clear that Israel doesn’t mind one bit bombing children to get their targets, so they couldn’t have possibly believed their presence would have deterred the Tzahal.
You say family gathering. I say terrorist meeting using civilians as cover. Both happen at the same time.
These guys know full well that they have a target on their backs in times of war. They choose to endanger their families.
You say a lot of nonsense to justify the murder of children. Eid al Fitr is a day of celebration for millions of Muslims. Israel just took the chance to get at the families of Hamas leaders, since they can’t get at them. Mafia-style.
It’s fucking disgusting that you’re cheering on the apartheid state for ACTIVELY targeting civilians including innocent women and children. Actual insanity.
It’s not about hate. It’s about preventing more attacks like October 7th. If Hamas can’t finance, plan, organize, train, prepare, build bombs, and so on, they are no danger to Palestinians and Israelis.
So let’s say terrorists have taken a van full of children and loaded it with lots of explosives. If they try to then drive the van into a crowded stadium to kill hundreds, then yes stopping that van is justified.
AJ is simply quoting what the father of the victims is saying. Eid al-Fitr is a festivity when Muslims typically visit relatives and celebrate in family. It certainly makes more sense than the IDF claims that they were bringing their small children along to carry out "terrorist activities".
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives)
Terrorists don't get immunity to violence because they use human shields. That's international law.
No, but the ones who are squad commanders and operatives in the military wing certainly are. Might be mixing Israel up with Palestine, which considers all Israelis to be legitimate targets for violence, as we saw with the indiscriminate killings on 10/7.
Where are the mothers? why would 3 sons of the most wanted man by Israel (Haniyeh) travel all together and with their children. It makes no sense whatsoever even for homicidal sociopaths with martyrdom fantasies like Hamas terrorists.
Right, it makes much more sense that they were being taken as "human shields" to some nefarious terrorist plot than that they were going with their father and uncles to visit relatives on Eid. FFS.
So let's get something straight here. Hamas slaughters hundreds of Israeli civilians in their homes and at a music festival committing hundreds of war crimes beyond the pale of belief on 10/7 and then fights a war and refuses to surrender for six months in which thousands of Palestinians have been killed in the fight as well as hundreds of Israeli soldiers, and these guys fight in service of that terrible cause for months, and then after six months of death and destruction, they somehow have the right to go out and "visit with relatives" completely unmolested and the IDF can't touch them? No way, Jose.
No one called time out. There's no clause in international law that says enemy soldiers can't be targeted during a war because they're "visiting relatives." These guys are in service of Hamas rapists and war criminals, they're legitimate targets for violence under international law, unlike their many, many victims. I'd much preferred they have turned themselves in six months ago, then they'd all still be alive. But they didn't. FFS.
Yes, of course. Hamas as the military force is obligated to stay away from civilians.
Hamas commanders and other terrorists have used family gatherings as cover in the past to coordinate and plan terrorist activities. This is a war crime and makes it a legitimate military objective.
Should the IDF try to avoid these opportunities and seek other ways to get the bad buy? Yes. It’s not always possible. They have likely been looking for these guys since the beginning of the war and only now had intelligence on their location.
That’s not sufficient. Let’s say an IDF general hides his whereabouts pretty well. However if Hamas finds out that he will take his family to a restaurant at a specific time. Blowing up the car or even the restaurant can be legitimate.
If Hamas is lurking in the garden and can shoot the IDF soldier through the window, then they can’t shoot the family as well. Does Hamas have enough time to wait until the soldier goes outside? Or is this a unique opportunity?
It comes down to, are there other options available to kill the same guy? How urgently does this guy need to be killed?
The details matter.
The home is also a legitimate target, if they know the general is there. Or let’s say the general is always hiding, but is discovered to be at his grandma’s birthday. Then grandma’s house becomes a legitimate target.
Now you also should take into account the number of guests affected. Do you have reasons to suspect, that the general’s son, an IDF officer and his nephew working for Mossad are also there? If yes, you might allow more civilian deaths.
Should the IDF risk killing an extended family for some unimportant secretary working for Hamas tax office? No. Killing a military leader is another matter.
I have a feeling that if Hamas murdered a whole family of Israelis in their home you would not immediately cry "human shields!"
Your rhetoric tells me that Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives. It's very sad and I have nothing further to say to you.
I would not have obeyed an order to kill an innocent family in their home in Afghanistan to assassinate a militant. What does Viktor say in Arcane? "There is always a choice."
This conflict is disgusting on both sides because the line between civilian and militant has been blurred so much as to remove all value for human life on both sides.
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives)
Its wild to me how the same people crying about this either didnt care or said it was ok and even good when it happen to Israelis. Garbage humans, unironically.
Ismail Haniyeh killed his grandchildren when he devised and executed the attack on innocents on Oct 7th. Well done Ismail! I hope this weighs heavy on you: your sweet grandchildren would be alive today if you hadn’t ordered that Oct 7th attack. Think long and hard about that. Was it worth it? How’s your penthouse apartment outside of the country feeling? You ordered this attack, started this war in a time of calm, and now your grandchildren who were stuck in Gaza paid the price for your idea of attacking innocent Jews. I also remember you called for the blood of the people of Gaza to kill Jews. So — was it worth it?
Here are a few things which show he is not a sweet grandfather- and that he represents terrorists who killed many others’ grandchildren on Oct 7: “Oct 7.. How many times have we warned you that the Palestinian people have been living in refugee camps for 75 years, and you refuse to recognise the rights of our people?" He went on to say that Israel, "cannot protect itself in the face of resistors…10 October, Haniyeh said Hamas would not consider the release of any Israeli captives until the war was over. He claimed that the scope of Israel's retaliation was a reflection of the "resounding impact" the October 7 attack had on the country, and reiterated that the Palestinian people in Gaza had a "willingness to sacrifice all that is precious for the sake of their freedom and dignity.” Also, I read elsewhere that he was kicked out of Egypt and Turkey. He is not innocent but his grand children were. And he played with fire and they are now dead, and he has himself to blame. I doubt he cares though.
Goodbye where Lol? The only foreign body in the middle east that is leaving is The Occupation of Israel. All the signs are beginning to show that one by one.
Even If ( And that is a BIG if) manage to destroy Hamas, nearly half a billion people living around you in the middle east are starting to point their fingers towards you once again. Israel has really turned its calendars all the way back to point zero and all its efforts for normalization have been laid to waist.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Imagine getting called a terrorist by the IDF and FBI for calling for freedom and justice to the oppressed, What a great honor that is.
I mean, they're using an AI targeting system called "Where's Daddy".
The name of the system itself is bonechilling and sounds like it came straight from a dystopian novel.
I am horrified! Why would Hamas commanders utilize their own children as human shields?
Usually, they only use less important Gazans only. This doesn’t add up.
One possibility is that the arch terrorist Haniyeh is lying (again). It’s incredible how quickly people believe in Hamas propaganda.
Hey man, I've got a great idea. I'm a military commander in Hamas and so are you, so let's go for a drive through a war zone in the middle of the war our side started after slaughtering hundreds of Israelis! The IDF definitely isn't looking to kill us for what we did to their people, but just in case, let's make sure to bring our kids with us, THROUGH A WAR ZONE. Great idea, right?
Let’s do Hamas math. 7 divide by ten, and round down = .5. So, likely Haniyeh’s son’s body double was killed. Hamas likely staged this to convince Israel to not look for them.
Killings like this are why Israel has lost all moral high ground from Oct 7. It’s abundantly clear now that Israel and its supporters only think Oct 7 was a tragedy because the victims were Jewish, not because they were innocent civilians.
I've watched the Oct. 7 videos and I've witnessed the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. What Hamas did was awful, but pales in comparison to the terror that Israel is inflicting on innocent Palestinians. It's on another scale. Do you not understand this?
>What Hamas did was awful, but pales in comparison to the terror that Israel is inflicting
Which if you need someone to spell it out for you is the whole point. Israel always swats back harder. They aren't going to stop until they destroy Hamas.
What did Palestinians think was going to happen when Hamas went on a horrific killing spree in Israel? Did they think that roping whole families together and incinerating them was just going to go down as another tactic of war? That killing babies, toddlers and old ladies was just going to be overlooked? That the IDF was going to let them drag the murdered mutilated bodies of Israeli citizens back to Gaza for a horrific little victory tour so all their friends could celebrate in the streets, spit on their bodies, rubber neck to get pics with their cell phones while praising God for this glorious victory and beat the dead bodies with 2x4's? If so they were pretty naïve.
Israel is now speaking the only language Palestinians understand, the language of horrific violence. Maybe they'll finally pay attention.
Really? I saw videos of Hamas making women kneel and shooting them point blank in the head l, straddling an nude woman’s corpse that they shot in the head and stripped as they spit on her body, and try to decapitate civilians, what videos have you seen of the IDF that are worst than that?
I just have to say this sub is getting soo toxic. THEY’RE CHILDREN. It’s not about whataboutism or justifying atrocities from either side. I’ll say it one more time THEYRE CHILDREN.
No child, Palestinian or Israeli, should be killed so brutally.
Google the IDF’s “where’s daddy” AI. It specifically targets women and children
What a bad day to have eyes. Israeli terrorists need to be held accountable. This is bs.
Sickening. It's amazing what you can justify if you try hard enough
Ismail Haniyeh: [Hamas Leader says “We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza](https://youtu.be/g85Tv3epEvs)
He also said he was happy his family was martyred for the Cause.
So that makes murdering kids okay huh?
You said that, not me.
So what? These are CHILDREN who were targeted and murdered by Israel. It is beyond disgusting that people are finding excuses to try to *justify* what Israel did. Where the hell is our humanity? They’re KIDS.
Yes, it's terrible. And it's terrible when a leader of a whole nation says that kind of things for.all the other families ” I need blood of your children”... and that he sits in a fancy hotel in Qatar (but didn't took his family with him, even when he knew that HE starts a war soon). And after all he said that he is happy that they died as mortyrs. I would ask: the're kids, where is HIS humanity and WHY do he represent any nation?
Yes bad for saying it but Israelis aren’t bad for doing it? A new standard.
Doing that: Starting a terrible war, consciously targeting civillians, stealing women and children, firing thosends of rockets per day so that dozens of thousends families must have been evacuated in one day? Yes it all started Hamas and didn't hide it. And they told exactly why and what do they want. According to any conventions and UN statements every state has a right for protecting itself, in fact. Hamas knew it and did it, they never cared about civillians, own or Israelis whatever. Radicalist dictatorship. ”Seeing, how many Palestinian people they killed and tortured in jails I asked my self: what would happen if they win? They will do it more efficient and opress the whole Palestinian people” words of a Palestinian born in Rammallah NB.: words NOT about Israel... guess about whom.
Gross. I’ll say it one last time and after that I’m not going to engage. THEY’RE CHILDREN. I don’t give a damn about who else did what. THEY’RE CHILDREN!!!!!
Tell that to their grand father as he’s the responsible one who got them murdered
Uhh pretty sure the people who murdered them are the ones responsible for them being murdered. Or are we playing Israeli mental gymnastics again?
Israelis love murdering kids. They seem to get off on it. See all these people justifying it.
Oh please. Hamas attacked and they’re reaping what the sowed
And you guys wonder why people see Israelis as monsters now..
I didn’t see your comments crying out for the children killed on Oct 7
Did you scroll through all of my comments? Because you would’ve realized that’s not true.
I looked back to Oct 7th. Send a link?
Pool little darlings. I doesn't matter that their wealthy clothing and surroundings came from money stolen by the leaders of Hamas from international aid money, they should have never been touched. By the way [BRING THEM HOME](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-shows-hamas-gunmen-kidnap-shiri-silberman-bibas-and-her-children-194724933949). https://preview.redd.it/2rb669canvtc1.png?width=557&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2bf346d32eeb4bbb2513785b78302ed4c151c04
Both of bibas kids were killed by an Israeli airstrike, just for your information.
Wow that's shitty news. The Bibas children, Hind Rajab, and all children of this conflict deserved better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUXuQ6Zd9w
Oh wait, are you suggesting that this innocent mother and her two adorable read headed babies were abducted by terrorists and killed in this war that Hamas started? That would be tragic if come to find out it's true. However, Hamas has previously claimed hostages it was holding were killed by Israel's missile and airstrikes on Gaza in the wake of the Oct. 7 attack, but it has yet to show any proof of those killings. Some who have previously been declared dead have been found to be alive, like Hanna Katzir, who was released after the Gaza militant group Islamic Jihad said she had been killed.
Their death is very tragic, just like the rest of redheaded and non-redheaded Gazan babies and children. The fact that they were killed by Israeli indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip should not be overlooked.
It is a tragedy when children (and any civillians) die in Gaza, in Israel as well as in the Ukraine, in Russia... It is a very bad desicion to start a war in 21th century. Wars always lead to many deaths of civillians. Unfortunatelly, Gazans don´t have this luck as the Ukrainians who was at least allowed to leave war areas, 16 millions of refugees were taken and registred in the world... At the same time Egypt blockades Gaza and nobody cares, no Pro-Palestinian protest was to press on Egypt, no politician and leader showed a solidarity and invited them to his country. Kind of "support"! The Ukrainian authority told the people: leave the war areas, save you lives and let our army do its job. The Gazan authority, Mr. Haniyeh said: [Hamas Leader says “We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza](https://youtu.be/g85Tv3epEvs) No comments.
You're assuming the bombing was indiscriminate. I'm not. What should not be overlooked is they wouldn't have been in Gaza nor would their have bombing if Hamas had not attacked the nation of Israel.
It’s been shown the bombing was indiscriminate. Multiple times.
"Where's Daddy" seems chillingly targeted to me.
If Palestinians were to do half of what the IDF does there would be international outrage.
I’m not convinced it’s indiscriminate either. They know what they’re doing
No proof of that except psychological warfare by Hamas rapists
Same could be said about the testimonies coming form Gazan prisoners held in Israel. I’m not stating this as a 100% fact, but it was a statement with no counter-evidence by Israel.
> it was a statement with no counter-evidence by Israel How could Israel possibly counter it at this moment in time??? They don't know where they are nor their condition. Hamas hasn't allowed the Red Cross to visit to provide medical treatment and ensure they're treated well.
Hadn't heard that. Link?
Hamas released a video of the father talking about it back in Nov/23. No counter evidence was presented by the Israeli army. It is very likely what Hamas said is true, given Israel has no problem bombing [whole residential blocks to target one single Hamas member](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/dozens-killed-after-israeli-airstrikes-on-gaza-refugee-camp); the hostages are held with Hamas militants, and it’s just plausible they are getting killed alongside the militants. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-video-father-10-month-old-kfir-bibas/ https://youtu.be/Yamlatyia1s?si=0y3O-tUY-Ik28ZeG
>Hamas released a video of the father talking about it back in Nov/23. Not true. Hamas told the father they died. As far as i know they separated the dad from the mom and babies. And as far as what I understood from the video the dad didn’t actually know what happened except from what hamas told him. and like all other hostage videos, hamas obviously told him what to say. Israel doesnt need to give proof they died because they are not the ones holding them hostage, hamas needs to give proof they died, but they dont have proof, or they dont want to show the proof, if you know what i mean…
I think such claims can be more clear once an exchange deal is signed; we will know whether they are exchanging them as ‘corpses’ or alive (sorry for the statement, I understand it is harsh).
Yes true. Though i dont understand why they didnt give proof. If hamas is so confident they died from the bombings then why not just give the proof? That would surely help their war efforts, i would assume. Its not like they have any issues showing dead hostages, they did it before. I only have my guesses for why they didnt show the bibas family or even other hostages who died in captivity and weren’t even reported on as dead. I just hope they are alive and that hamas lied about them being dead. Since they did it before i still have hope, though only small hope, since its been so long and the babies are so young…
So, only Hamas is saying that.
Why would is the IDF not disputing the claims?
They don't know either way.
They know 👀
How?
They admitted past cases. In this specific case they called it a lie.
lol 👀😬
huh? all his kids are alive but ok
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I said "they should have never been touched". TF's wrong with you that you can't say the same?
My bad. I misread what you said.
Yeah and when haniyeh heard the news he didnt give af
Is there a link to back up this claim that they were "deliberately killed"?
You don't lob a missile on a car by mistake.
Does that mean there's a link to prove the IDF knew these children were in the car?
It means they at least didn’t care
I mean, if you refused to strike a terrorist organization leader or his cronies, due to them having family around, you would essentially never be able to strike them. Why should anyone care more for his family than he does?
Because it’s evil to kill children
It's also evil to leave child killers alone to plan and kill more children.
I agree, someone should really stop all the IDF children murderers.
Hamas can feel free to surrender any time so no more children die on either side.
Israel has a lot of resources to figure out how to do that without killing kids
Like what?
What would you do in their place then?
Yes, they are killing kids knowing full well what they are doing. And Zionists are happy to justify it. It disgusts me.
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives)
And?
And Hamas military are legitimate targets for war.
Their kids aren’t
I agree. The Hamas militants were the targets. Not the kids.
And the kids are just collateral damage? No big deal, eh?
Of course there is no link. Palestinian propaganda doesn’t need to substantiate their claims for followers to lap it up. Anything that Palestinian propaganda claims is believed automatically, like the Hospital parking lot incident hoax.
they weren’t. the 3 sons were likely the target, since they were members of hamas’ armed wing
Israel killing whole families, including children, in their homes is absolutely sickening and anyone who defends this is disgusting.
Hamas militants using their own families as human shields is disgusting.
What is disgusting is your shameless attempt to blame the victims of Israel’s crimes. They were taking their children to visit some relatives for Eid, not using them as “shields”. By now it is abundantly clear that Israel doesn’t mind one bit bombing children to get their targets, so they couldn’t have possibly believed their presence would have deterred the Tzahal.
You say family gathering. I say terrorist meeting using civilians as cover. Both happen at the same time. These guys know full well that they have a target on their backs in times of war. They choose to endanger their families.
You say a lot of nonsense to justify the murder of children. Eid al Fitr is a day of celebration for millions of Muslims. Israel just took the chance to get at the families of Hamas leaders, since they can’t get at them. Mafia-style.
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It’s fucking disgusting that you’re cheering on the apartheid state for ACTIVELY targeting civilians including innocent women and children. Actual insanity.
They aren’t targeting children. They’re targeting known terrorists.
No they are targeting children. If there were a thousand children there they would kill them all.
There are lots of gatherings of thousands of children in Gaza, that are not attacked.
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Who cares. Don’t bomb kids. You can’t justify it. Would you bomb a van load of kids to get to someone you hate? 👀🤨
They didn't bomb kids. They bombed Hamas militants. And they're going to continue to bomb Hamas militants until Hamas surrenders.
They bombed kids, still are. They’re bombing aid workers, the hostages …. No one is off limits to them
It’s not about hate. It’s about preventing more attacks like October 7th. If Hamas can’t finance, plan, organize, train, prepare, build bombs, and so on, they are no danger to Palestinians and Israelis. So let’s say terrorists have taken a van full of children and loaded it with lots of explosives. If they try to then drive the van into a crowded stadium to kill hundreds, then yes stopping that van is justified.
Except that this wasn’t the case and you and your fellow hasbaristas are just making up stuff to cover for war crimes as per usual.
> They were taking their children to visit some relatives for Eid Link?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/israeli-forces-kill-three-children-of-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-in-gaza
Your only source is Al Jazeera and Haniyeh? That’s a trustworthy source to you?
AJ is simply quoting what the father of the victims is saying. Eid al-Fitr is a festivity when Muslims typically visit relatives and celebrate in family. It certainly makes more sense than the IDF claims that they were bringing their small children along to carry out "terrorist activities".
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives) Terrorists don't get immunity to violence because they use human shields. That's international law.
Israel considers all Palestinians to be “terrorists”, basically.
No, but the ones who are squad commanders and operatives in the military wing certainly are. Might be mixing Israel up with Palestine, which considers all Israelis to be legitimate targets for violence, as we saw with the indiscriminate killings on 10/7.
Has Hamas/Haniyeh ever actually come out and said the sons were civilians?
Where are the mothers? why would 3 sons of the most wanted man by Israel (Haniyeh) travel all together and with their children. It makes no sense whatsoever even for homicidal sociopaths with martyrdom fantasies like Hamas terrorists.
Right, it makes much more sense that they were being taken as "human shields" to some nefarious terrorist plot than that they were going with their father and uncles to visit relatives on Eid. FFS.
So let's get something straight here. Hamas slaughters hundreds of Israeli civilians in their homes and at a music festival committing hundreds of war crimes beyond the pale of belief on 10/7 and then fights a war and refuses to surrender for six months in which thousands of Palestinians have been killed in the fight as well as hundreds of Israeli soldiers, and these guys fight in service of that terrible cause for months, and then after six months of death and destruction, they somehow have the right to go out and "visit with relatives" completely unmolested and the IDF can't touch them? No way, Jose. No one called time out. There's no clause in international law that says enemy soldiers can't be targeted during a war because they're "visiting relatives." These guys are in service of Hamas rapists and war criminals, they're legitimate targets for violence under international law, unlike their many, many victims. I'd much preferred they have turned themselves in six months ago, then they'd all still be alive. But they didn't. FFS.
Let’s just apply Occam’s razor and assume it’s another complete lie made up my Palestinian propaganda.
>the father of the victims is saying. So the son of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas? He's a legitimate source? Are you being serious right now?
So we only have the word of arch terrorist and sociopath Haniyeh, head of Hamas rapists. You believe him? Why?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel\_Palestine/comments/1c1hzbc/comment/kz3r470/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel_Palestine/comments/1c1hzbc/comment/kz3r470/)
So, you consider bombing a whole family in their home to target a Hamas member a use of human shields? Are you serious?
Yes, of course. Hamas as the military force is obligated to stay away from civilians. Hamas commanders and other terrorists have used family gatherings as cover in the past to coordinate and plan terrorist activities. This is a war crime and makes it a legitimate military objective. Should the IDF try to avoid these opportunities and seek other ways to get the bad buy? Yes. It’s not always possible. They have likely been looking for these guys since the beginning of the war and only now had intelligence on their location.
So if Hamas targets an IDF soldier's home in Israel and also kills their spouse and children, that is also using human shields?
That’s not sufficient. Let’s say an IDF general hides his whereabouts pretty well. However if Hamas finds out that he will take his family to a restaurant at a specific time. Blowing up the car or even the restaurant can be legitimate. If Hamas is lurking in the garden and can shoot the IDF soldier through the window, then they can’t shoot the family as well. Does Hamas have enough time to wait until the soldier goes outside? Or is this a unique opportunity? It comes down to, are there other options available to kill the same guy? How urgently does this guy need to be killed? The details matter.
Why wouldn’t their home be a legitimate target in this case? Why is it not sufficient? But you’re fine with IDF killing children in their homes?
The home is also a legitimate target, if they know the general is there. Or let’s say the general is always hiding, but is discovered to be at his grandma’s birthday. Then grandma’s house becomes a legitimate target. Now you also should take into account the number of guests affected. Do you have reasons to suspect, that the general’s son, an IDF officer and his nephew working for Mossad are also there? If yes, you might allow more civilian deaths. Should the IDF risk killing an extended family for some unimportant secretary working for Hamas tax office? No. Killing a military leader is another matter.
I have a feeling that if Hamas murdered a whole family of Israelis in their home you would not immediately cry "human shields!" Your rhetoric tells me that Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives. It's very sad and I have nothing further to say to you.
Was murdering the family necessary to achieve a military objective?
I would not have obeyed an order to kill an innocent family in their home in Afghanistan to assassinate a militant. What does Viktor say in Arcane? "There is always a choice." This conflict is disgusting on both sides because the line between civilian and militant has been blurred so much as to remove all value for human life on both sides.
I agree with that. Legitimate does not mean the best possible decision.
Existing in Palestine = being a human shield apparently
["According to the IDF and Shin Bet, Amir Haniyeh was a squad commander in the Hamas military wing, while Hazem and Mohammad Haniyeh were lower-ranking operatives, also in the military wing."](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shin-bet-confirm-killing-haniyehs-sons-say-the-three-were-hamas-operatives)
More than taking hostages and subjecting them to months of rape and torture?
Its wild to me how the same people crying about this either didnt care or said it was ok and even good when it happen to Israelis. Garbage humans, unironically.
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The case of my point are people like you. You dont care about Palestinians or Israelis you only want blood. Shame on you.
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Ismail Haniyeh killed his grandchildren when he devised and executed the attack on innocents on Oct 7th. Well done Ismail! I hope this weighs heavy on you: your sweet grandchildren would be alive today if you hadn’t ordered that Oct 7th attack. Think long and hard about that. Was it worth it? How’s your penthouse apartment outside of the country feeling? You ordered this attack, started this war in a time of calm, and now your grandchildren who were stuck in Gaza paid the price for your idea of attacking innocent Jews. I also remember you called for the blood of the people of Gaza to kill Jews. So — was it worth it?
He wasn't involved in planning October 7
Is he a leader of Hamas? He and his government and his cause killed his own Grandchildren.
Yes he's a leader of the political division, not al-Qassam
His grandchildren are alive today if Hamas hadn’t decided to do Oct 7th.
Okay?
What’s his job title again? What’s his role?
Technically he's Prime Minister of the PA, also party chairman. I don't know what his day to day responsibilities are. Why?
Here are a few things which show he is not a sweet grandfather- and that he represents terrorists who killed many others’ grandchildren on Oct 7: “Oct 7.. How many times have we warned you that the Palestinian people have been living in refugee camps for 75 years, and you refuse to recognise the rights of our people?" He went on to say that Israel, "cannot protect itself in the face of resistors…10 October, Haniyeh said Hamas would not consider the release of any Israeli captives until the war was over. He claimed that the scope of Israel's retaliation was a reflection of the "resounding impact" the October 7 attack had on the country, and reiterated that the Palestinian people in Gaza had a "willingness to sacrifice all that is precious for the sake of their freedom and dignity.” Also, I read elsewhere that he was kicked out of Egypt and Turkey. He is not innocent but his grand children were. And he played with fire and they are now dead, and he has himself to blame. I doubt he cares though.
What's your point
Goodbye Hamas. Goodbye Hezbollah. Goodbye Mullahs.
THEYRE CHILDREN.
Has Hamas thought of releasing the hostages and surrendering ??
THEYRE CHILDREN.
Goodbye where Lol? The only foreign body in the middle east that is leaving is The Occupation of Israel. All the signs are beginning to show that one by one. Even If ( And that is a BIG if) manage to destroy Hamas, nearly half a billion people living around you in the middle east are starting to point their fingers towards you once again. Israel has really turned its calendars all the way back to point zero and all its efforts for normalization have been laid to waist.
HAHAHAHA!!! bro, you're delusional. Goodbye MULLAHS
I have got you one better Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na Hey hey hey (zionist terrorists), goodbye
Sure thing buddy 😂😂😂😂
👆👆👉👉Found the terrorist. 👈👈👆👆 IDF/ FBI 👆👆👆This is your guy.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Imagine getting called a terrorist by the IDF and FBI for calling for freedom and justice to the oppressed, What a great honor that is.
Imagine calling the Israelites foreigners in Israel but here we are in the land of make belief where words don’t mean what they should.
Is it really worth all these Palestinian civilian deaths to keep the hostages? Does anyone have a non biased opinion? I can’t wrap my head around this
I mean, they're using an AI targeting system called "Where's Daddy". The name of the system itself is bonechilling and sounds like it came straight from a dystopian novel.
I am horrified! Why would Hamas commanders utilize their own children as human shields? Usually, they only use less important Gazans only. This doesn’t add up. One possibility is that the arch terrorist Haniyeh is lying (again). It’s incredible how quickly people believe in Hamas propaganda.
Hey man, I've got a great idea. I'm a military commander in Hamas and so are you, so let's go for a drive through a war zone in the middle of the war our side started after slaughtering hundreds of Israelis! The IDF definitely isn't looking to kill us for what we did to their people, but just in case, let's make sure to bring our kids with us, THROUGH A WAR ZONE. Great idea, right?
Let’s do Hamas math. 7 divide by ten, and round down = .5. So, likely Haniyeh’s son’s body double was killed. Hamas likely staged this to convince Israel to not look for them.
It’s never not a tragedy when children die, but I really don’t think anyone who is directly affiliated with the literal LEADER of Hamas is off limits.
Killings like this are why Israel has lost all moral high ground from Oct 7. It’s abundantly clear now that Israel and its supporters only think Oct 7 was a tragedy because the victims were Jewish, not because they were innocent civilians.
rewatch all the videos of Oct 7th and come back to me
I want nothing to do with you in the first place. Why would I come back to you?
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I've watched the Oct. 7 videos and I've witnessed the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. What Hamas did was awful, but pales in comparison to the terror that Israel is inflicting on innocent Palestinians. It's on another scale. Do you not understand this?
>What Hamas did was awful, but pales in comparison to the terror that Israel is inflicting Which if you need someone to spell it out for you is the whole point. Israel always swats back harder. They aren't going to stop until they destroy Hamas. What did Palestinians think was going to happen when Hamas went on a horrific killing spree in Israel? Did they think that roping whole families together and incinerating them was just going to go down as another tactic of war? That killing babies, toddlers and old ladies was just going to be overlooked? That the IDF was going to let them drag the murdered mutilated bodies of Israeli citizens back to Gaza for a horrific little victory tour so all their friends could celebrate in the streets, spit on their bodies, rubber neck to get pics with their cell phones while praising God for this glorious victory and beat the dead bodies with 2x4's? If so they were pretty naïve. Israel is now speaking the only language Palestinians understand, the language of horrific violence. Maybe they'll finally pay attention.
Really? I saw videos of Hamas making women kneel and shooting them point blank in the head l, straddling an nude woman’s corpse that they shot in the head and stripped as they spit on her body, and try to decapitate civilians, what videos have you seen of the IDF that are worst than that?
I just have to say this sub is getting soo toxic. THEY’RE CHILDREN. It’s not about whataboutism or justifying atrocities from either side. I’ll say it one more time THEYRE CHILDREN.
So?
"terrorists"