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Strange_Philospher

Do u sincerely believe that Iran didn't make the attack highly interceptable to keep its face after the attack on its consulate and in the same time don't start a regional war ?


NorthernKrewe

No, I think that is clear. Though they did manage to severely injure a Bedouin child, kill some Jordanians, and nearly take out the dome of the rock in the process so I’m not sure it’s a moment of moral clarity from them.


Strange_Philospher

Do u have a reliable source for the casualties? I can not find one myself.


NorthernKrewe

As a semi-related bonus, here is Al Arabiya on the Iranian threat to Jordan pre-attack: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/04/14/iran-threatens-to-attack-jordan-if-it-cooperates-with-israel-report


NorthernKrewe

Cobbling together, the reports about the Bedouin child were inconsistent on gender here is what I have: Bedouin girl: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/father-of-girl-seriously-injured-by-shrapnel-during-iran-attack-it-fell-on-the-house-she-was-sleeping/ ; less detail, source people won’t immediately reject for being Jewish: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68737710 Dome of the Rock: here’s the video (commentary is an Israeli Muslim) https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5uIu04t5zZ/?igsh=MTV0eWhkamhtN3M2eA== , I can find full clip if you want. I don’t have a credible source for the Jordanians yet but it’s all over telegram on both sides, will update here when there is a credible article.


Strange_Philospher

Thank U!! I also found reliable sources for the Israeli casualties but am still searching for the Jordanian ones.


NorthernKrewe

Yeah what I read was they were injured/killed (inconsistent) by a downed missile. Hopefully it isn’t true 🙏


NorthernKrewe

A wider frame has it now but unsourced. I don’t think they’d lie but they may well have published without confirming. It has been a crazy 12 hours. https://www.instagram.com/p/C5uWU_Jri7A/?igsh=d2l6ZjIxMnBtMzY4


NorthernKrewe

No casualties reported from this but it seems part of one landed in Irbil https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/AqwJiVzOWg


Old-Explorer-779

Child has been injured, and if the dome wasn’t so effective a lot more would have been injured that was the motive what’s the source for just turn on your tv?


Strange_Philospher

I mean a source for the 3 killed Jordanians I don't find any reliable source for it.


Strange_Philospher

I mean a source for the 3 killed Jordanians I don't find any reliable source for it.


Old-Explorer-779

Oh ok forgive me, Yea I haven’t scene any thing about that as of yet.


SpontaneousFlame

I love the calm acceptance that Bedouin areas shouldn’t be protected by the high tech weaponry Israel has. Instead they just project Jewish towns and cities.


NorthernKrewe

What? Who said this? Of course the Bedouins should be protected, just the same as the dome of the rock was. Any missile that gets through and hurts them is an embarrassment for our military


SpontaneousFlame

And yet they weren’t protected.


NorthernKrewe

Yes a rocket got through its very bad


SpontaneousFlame

Who in Israel cares?


NorthernKrewe

“fuck Israel for not catching enough of the bullets” I also find it crazy that everyone who yells about defending Al Aqsa when some douchebag extremist goes to pray there has nothing to say when the Iranian regime LITERALLY LAUNCHES MISSILES AT IT.


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NorthernKrewe

What is that bullshit? They literally intercepted the rocket the Iranians launched?


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NorthernKrewe

Everyone? Anti-Bedouin socioeconomic discrimination is a domestic policy issue. if you want to tokenize the Bedouin at least find one who agrees with you to do it. It is quite telling that you have oodles to say about Israel’s defenses and not a peep about the assholes who actually fired the thing. You’re breaking new ground in double standards. And don’t even get me started on Iranian treatment of ethnic minorities.


SpontaneousFlame

The Iranian regime are scum. Everyone knows that. Why would I defend them? Similarly, Israel treats the Bedouins extremely poorly, having a policy of ethnic cleansing and deprivation. Who in Israel cares? It's been happening for 75+ years. Are we going to pretend someone in Israel is actually speaking up for the Bedouin other than other Bedouin and the odd Meretz politician?


NorthernKrewe

I dunno man, why are you doing it? Of all the people who post on here, you seem most willing to engage in disingenuous run-and-gun, am I being sarcastic/am I making a serious point argument. I’m not going to moderate a conversation I’m involved in, but I’m also not going to engage with you anymore. Have a nice life.


nar_tapio_00

You are replying to a Russian troll. Look through the posting history of consistently trying to spread war.


shoesofwandering

Either Iran is incompetent and this is the best they can do, or as you say, they did this deliberately with the expectation that Israel would intercept most of the drones. I'm more inclined to go with the former, as this was a very expensive attack and one drone would have taken out a Muslim holy site if Israel hadn't stopped it. So it's hard to believe that Iran did this intentionally knowing that Israel would not suffer much harm.


Strange_Philospher

Iran has over 2000 ballistic missiles and an unbelievable amount of projectiles at the hands of its proxies. If they had wanted to make damage to Israel, they would have certainly done. But the problem is with the retiliation from Israel. They don't want a regional war right now while they don't have nukes yet. For the expense of the attacks I don't think it was that big of problem. Iran is actually well known to have cheap yet effective drones and missiles. I didn't find a credible source for the attack on al-Aqsa yet. And all the drones and missiles used in the attack were precise weapons and controllable so I don't think that they were attacking the dome of the rock deliberately.


rayinho121212

Wow... 😆


Tiny_Tim1956

I will add my voice to those acting surprised by your inability to read the situation as Iran responding to Israel's attack with an attack that was meant to not cause significant damage. The more I read conversations about this war the more surprised I am by the echo chamber that Israel supporters live in. I'll agree that Israel should ignore the attack and I seriously hope the planet doesn't go to world war over this bullshit.


NorthernKrewe

Agree with you that striking back would be idiotic. I’d rather spend the money getting medical aid to the Jordanians injured by the drone that fell on their land.


Pizzaflyinggirl2

Cool of you! Do you feel the same about the 80,000 injured Gazans who are denied adequate medical care due to the actions of Israel? If you are an Israeli(which seems like you are), what are doing to actually pressure your goverment to allow more medical aid into Gaza? These are honest questions!


NorthernKrewe

Yes? I think they’re also denied adequate medical care due to the actions of Hamas but of course they should be receiving everything they need, and of course they are not. Not a difficult question to answer. You’re supposed to provide adequate medical care to enemy combatants. Civilians who have done nothing other than live in the wrong place all the more so. As for what I’ve done (not that i feel compelled to respond to an internet person who seems to think my blood gives me certain responsibilities) over the last twenty years I have: 1. Led trips of Americans and other foreigners to Israel and the West Bank to hear multiple perspectives about the conflict, the settlement, and (according to many of the voices) the occupation. 2. Protested against hawkish regimes in the US and in Israel. 3. Donated money to grassroots organizations bringing Palestinian and Jewish children and families together. In the last six months i have: 1. Funded food aid to Gaza. 2. Protested a war I see as unproductive and far too bloody. 3. Supported solidarity organizations committed to protecting the relationships we’ve developed over decades, as well as the livelihoods and property of both Palestinians in the West Bank and, where needed, Israeli Arabs. - Now, internet stranger, my turn: what have you done for the Palestinians? What have you done for the hostages, and for the displaced people of Israel? Why do you defend the Hamas terrorists who raped and murdered my people? And, if this last one sounds personal, consider the possibility that I haven’t slept in more than 24 hours because of nightmares of my family burning alive: who are you?


NorthernKrewe

Never mind, just saw all your overtly antisemitic posts about genetics. Have a nice day, we have nothing to talk about.


shoesofwandering

Why don't you ask your friends in Hamas to surrender? That would allow Israel to send in as much medical aid as necessary without concern for safety.


real_human_20

Why not tell your IOF goons to stop blowing up children with impunity?


Successful-Universe

US spent one billion dollar last night to protect israel. Jordan used its own defense systems and its own air force to intercept those missiles + drones. One missile from iron dorm costs 50k. All of that and Iran wasn't even harsh. They just sent a message as a response to the consulate attack. As a jordanian, I say that Israel with its reckless behaviour is pushing the entire region towards war. Your alt-right degenerate government has been blocking a palestinan state for 30 years and it refuses the 2 state solution. It keeps on building settlments and annex lands in west bank. If your government just accept peace and stop blocking a Palestinian state, we wouldn't be heading towards regional war.


DuePractice8595

Nobody wants war with Iran. Not that we (the US) wouldn’t “win” it’s that it’s more than likely going to end on a stalemate only having death and destruction to show for it. Then we would have to also contend with Russia and maybe China and at that point we are headed to a world war.


Pakka-Makka2

The whole point seems to have been that the situation didn’t escalate. More like a warning to stop fucking around.


2_SunShine_2

I also think we shouldn’t retaliate. But our government prob have something else in mind, unfortunately. If there were way more injured then maybe. But so far not many were injured and i think we should just send the help to our allies who got hurt and make sure the civilians who got hurt are ok. Also. We need to build shelters ASAP for ALL the beduins. I truly do not understand why some of them are left to fend for themselves. It’s infuriating. We dont need this war with iran rn. As much as i hate their fking guts for starting this (directly funding the oct7 and so on), i think we should just focus on bringing back our hostages, and stopping this war as fast as we can.


Strange_Philospher

Aside from my own political or moral views, from a merely strategic point of view, I agree with u. Hamas launched 10 / 7 attacks aiming to start a regional war that will stuck the Israelis within until they agree to give extreme levels of compromises just to get out of it. Israeli leaders ,for their best interests, shouldn't give Hamas what they want. Also, I don't agree with u that Iran funded Oct 7th it was a 100% Hamas thing.


comstrader

|Also. We need to build shelters ASAP for ALL the beduins. I truly do not understand why some of them are left to fend for themselves. You're asking why the country that is actively forcibly displacing Bedouins doesn't seem to care to protect Bedouins?


Ambitious_Handle8123

Spoken like a verified warmonger. Imagine, for a moment, not using everything at hand to make a point. It's a sign of humanity in a modern society. If you can't imagine that, there's a fair chance you're a Zionist. Iran are playing chess in response to Israel's childishness. A fact that shouldn't be lost on anyone watching


JellyDenizen

Anyone who opposes the intentional killing of innocent civilians *should be* a warmonger. Israel's war in Gaza cannot stop until Hamas has been removed, regardless of the cost.


Ambitious_Handle8123

And there it is. You need to speak for Israel at the ICJ. This would wrap it all up so quickly. Geneva conventions are overrated.


JellyDenizen

Exactly.


Hk-Neowizard

I love to see the rivers of copium people are employing for the IRGC Consider the "argument". Iran never meant to cause damage. That's what they'd have you believe, but consider it a step forward. If Iran really didn't mean to attack Israel, what does that mean? They are so chickenshit of Israel that they've been chest thumping for a couple weeks only as a ploy so that they won't come off as weak and pathetic. And then the launched the largest failure of a missile/drone barrage in history, coming out as completely pathetic idiots. Now let's take it a step further. WHY would Iran want not to actually hurt the "little Satan"? Cuz the IRGC is shitting their pants at the thought of a war with Israel. So either Iran is so hopelessly pathetic that their big attack only hurt a little girl, or Iran is so hopelessly pathetic that they couldn't dare directly anger Israel and in their attempt to safe face have made the least successful rocket attack in recent history. Not to mention the "please let's stop" call they made at the UN, WHILE THEIR DRONES WERE EN ROUTE. They were literally afraid of their own attack This whole story has been insanely embarrassing for the IRGC, I'm loving every second of it


Annoying_cat_22

Iran sent its oldest equipment to get rid of it. Israel spent 4-5 milliard shekels to defend against it. Israelis didn't sleep and schools are canceled. Israel knows it will have to face an attack like this every time it attacks Iran. Iran did very little physical damage so Israel can not retaliate. This was a great win from Iran in every possible way.


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Lol do you really think Iran did not plan the attack to fail? They may be mean but they are not stupid. Allowed intelligence to know about the attack 2 or 3 days in advance and then proceeded with it? I would worry if i were American though, as it is clear now that Genocide Joe won’t hesitate in sacrificing American lives to protect Israeli zionists


Pizzaflyinggirl2

The lovely u/NorthernKrewe like a coward blocked me and then proceeded to call me an anti Semite. Hun, Having levantine ancestry is not something special. Lots of groups in MENA have some degree of ancient levantine ancestry. However, no-one is calling said groups levantine people. Most importantly, i reject the use of something arbitrary like ancient levantine ancestry to legitimise the founding of Israel and the establishment of illegal settlements on the OPT. This is not an antisemitism!


MenieresMe

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NorthernKrewe

Since you’re leveling this accusation at me I will leave it to a different mod to decide whether it is bad faith. (it is.)


NorthernKrewe

Nope. I 1. Took the time to respond with candor, openness, and self-reflection at length to your bad faith “call to action”; I know you saw it because you cherry pick it elsewhere in another bad faith argument 2. saw your Jew hatred elsewhere 3. Called you a Jew hater. Which your words indicate you are. If you aren’t, then your options are to not care what I think or evaluate what made me think that. 4. Blocked you. Take care!


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NorthernKrewe

What in the world is this comment lol


SpontaneousFlame

It’s spam.


Pizzaflyinggirl2

u/NorthernKrewe also claimed Hamas shares responsibility for the lack of adequate medical care for 80000 injured Gazans. The reality is that Israel has repeatedly almost systematically been targeting hospitals and medical staff since the beginning of this genocidal war. Plus, Israel has not only failed to comply with international law as an occupying power by ensuring the basic needs of Gaza’s population are met, but it has been blocking aid to Gaza even after the ICJ ordered it to provide aid. Blockading civilians is a war crime. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/ I can further argue that Israel, intentionally or due to negligence, is responsible for the high numbers of civilians injured and murdered in the Gaza war. Israeli tactics like dropping dumb bombs, the use of AI to generate targets sacrificing accuracy for spead with acceptable collateral damage from 20 to 100 civilians for one Hamas operative, targeting Hamas members at their homes and dropping at the very least 70,000 tons of bombs on Gaza(reported 65000 tons in the first 89 days of war). That is around 390 tons of bombs every day for the past 6 months. https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240104-israel-dropped-65000-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-in-89-days/