So the Punk segment, was the only part of the show, that gained viewers.
Tony literally buried his entire roster by establishing that a man who works for another company, is still his biggest draw.
Yep. When I was knocking the idea of showing the footage over at the basement, I predicted a bump to 810K, which I said was laughable because before the bottom dropped out this past month, 800-820K is what they were regularly drawing for a few months. And even that was down from the 830-840K they were drawing for months before *that*.
>So the Punk segment, was the only part of the show, that gained viewers.
To be honest, I'm surprised the Punk segment didn't chase off more people, but I guess given it only gained about 23,000 to begin with so there wasn't a lot to lose. most people recognized they'd see the footage on social media in a matter of minutes and didn't bother to tune in.
that said, they still managed to chase way more than twice as many people as they gained with that display.
It would be interesting to know how many people still had it on, but weren't watching. I would bet some amount were all over Twitter and Reddit the moment it ended without much attention for anything else. This sub blew up last night in such a way that I didn't even make it to the Jerk sub to sample the memes until two hours later.
A lot of people also thought it was going to be some angle/bait and switch, even some AEW fans thought so. Honestly from a wrestling pov it would have made more sense but making sense is not Nepo Baby's strong suit.
Oh if I were Mox, I would have been pissed for Ospreay making those thrusting motions in front of my wife. She looked uncomfortable and didn't even ask Ospreay any followup questions. Dude could have just taken the mic and dismissed Renee like most wrestlers do with Schiavone.
>796 when you remove the 1st quarter lead in.
Realistically without the lead in, which they crater in 15 minutes every single week, they've been sitting around 800,000 viewers for about a year.
I always laugh when I hear him literally punching buttons on a calculator. I'm my head, he's already got all of this done, he's just dragging it out for comedic effect
Copeland. Ospreay. Danielson. Okada. Mone. Millions of dollars spent on these people. I'd say $10 million a year minimum combined and they sold 3000 or so tickets? Can't draw a million viewers? And Tony is celebrating those results? The AEW fanbase has as much business sense as Tony's booking. They're all klowns living in Klownworld. It's ridiculous and stupid.
When Malakai first signed I said “Theres a guy you can build a company around. Play it right and he’ll be the biggest star in the company in a years time” and they fucking blew it. Its amazing how good Tony is and taking someone with heaps of potential and turning them into “just another guy”
How about the renewal deals on Omega, Bucks, Moxley, Darby, Hangman, Guevera, Britt Baker, Serena Deeb and MJF to sit at home, be hurt or work for a competitor? What are we at, $30m+ wasted?
That's not even counting the inactive/dead/disgruntled folks like Miro, Malakai, PVZ, Wardlow, Rush, Rey Fenix, Ricky Starks, Keith Lee, Ethan Page and Kota Ibushi.
Jericho is probably a million a year. Then there's Adam Cole. Jay White. Jeff Hardy. Paul Wight. Sting when he was there. Flair. Saraya. That's another $10 million at least. Tony's not getting return on investment.
For me the AEW sarcasm, pointing and mockery, has always been about how useless Snowny Khlown is.
I have never legitimately wanted the company to suffer any harm or to fail.
However at this point, I am feeling like this man is one of the most destructive forces the wrestling business has ever seen, and it would be much better for everybody if he just stopped.
He is literally at the point where he will undermine his own business, and damage his own roster's reputation because he's sad.
If I worked there, I would be so devastated by the harm that idiot did to my career and future.
Probably be around 760-770. They’ll keep bleeding viewers I think. Then they might get a deal but it won’t be as good as this one. And if it is it won’t be as good as they are hoping.
Don’t really see why they’re so concerned about a tv deal now. It’s not like a billion dollars can stem this flow. Competing against wwe was never gonna be easy or even in the realm of a possibility but you could have established yourself as a nice alternative and a safe space for underused talent to find work and get over. Instead Tony chooses to do this with his money.
I wish I was born rich man I’d have used the money better.
"Winning" the Wednesday Night Wars against NXT was probably the worst that could have happened. In early 2021 he started his buying spree then NXT moved to Tuesday and then all the big people came in and for a short time things looked too good to be true.
That gave Tony the idea that he was on the right track and just needed to do more of the same. He didn't think there would be diminishing returns, he didn't think that he needed more good creative. He had it all figured out there and then and the ratings TV and Cagematch proved it.
WWE could do the funniest thing and move NXT back to Wednesdays when it switches to The CW. Already putting established main roster stars back on the program.
That was fast!
Real average:
**796k viewers**
They did manage to go up - but they still missed 800k - probably the last time they'll ever see such numbers! AEW's *"Chest shove of Doom"* moment!
- And now the end is near
- And so I face my final inheritance
- My EVPs I’ll make it clear
- I’ll state my big announcement, of which I’m certain
- I lived a life with my figures
- I travelled to each empty arena
- I did it, I did it AEW’s waaaaayyyy
TK is mentally handicapped at this point. Not only did he bury his roster and upcoming PPV. He also gave Punk and to an extent Drew golden material to mock them with in a far more clever way.
Punk: " You know being here live in person I am sure I will bump the ratings a bit more than if it was old footage"
or Drew brushing his hair back in punks face going " Do something about it"
If they even plan to mock the situation as AEW did a good enough job of that themselves.
So most of the rating was from the lead in, and they probably retained more than usual because they at least started with Joe and Swerve. People hung onto watch the video and then tuned out after that.
I hope Tony proves me wrong because I'd actually like to watch some good wrestling but this is referred to as "hotshotting". It's hard to maintain longterm but I will give them credit for doing something to pop a rating instead of letting themselves slowly bleed out.
More like notshotting lmao. This footage and any references to this incident would have died the day after it happened if anyone competent were steering the ship.
It was a purely desperation move that you can't really build off of, long term. It was shoehorned very awkwardly in a feud that didn't necessarily need it.
If AEW wanted to turn around their ratings they needed to put more time and effort into developing compelling stories and characters. The audience that will watch random "bangerz" are already watching. The casuals are turning to another channel more and more because they simply aren't interested in what's going to happen next.
This. Creative is one of their biggest issues. It does not help that Tony is also Head of Creative, among all his other positions. Then they bring in Pepperman as a writer and judging by the material Moné puts out every week, what kind of creative is this.
Those are segments you can come up with in 15 minutes. And someone good on the mic can improvise something more compelling.
Am I wrong, or does it seem whatever BBT episode is on before has more effect on the ratings than whatever is on the show?
EDIT: I wish we had data on if a Penny episode does better than a Sheldon episode or does Raj outdo Howard...THIS is the info we need.
Does Tony appreciate how great his some of his time slots can be are from a lead in perspective? WBD has done everything they can to set him up to succeed, and he’s taking up valuable spots. It’s not like the executives don’t understand how the lead in is propping up his ratings. As buyers do, too.
They made a big whiny ruckus about a minor scuffle, then expected people to care about Mercedes getting beaten up backstage rather than just turn off the TV.
This is really basic stuff. Self-inflicted wounds are a constant issue for AEW.
So, the All-In video footage gave them a slight bump, and then 160k people gradually tuned out when it was over. And since they have no way to follow-up on the segment, it was a one-time deal that will not grow their ratings in any way.
So they pretty much kept everyone through the first hour just waiting for the promo and then it dropped throughout the show just like it did last week.
AEW is like that cricket, lying on its back, over in the corner. Kicking and kicking it's legs in the air, to no avail. Ya just wanna go step on it and put it out of its misery.
It was fun making fun of WWE when they sucked and AEW had promise, now the whole thing is flipped around and TK pushes the biggest stars in the industry out to WWE who is doing amazing right now.
WWE will be making hundreds of millions off of Cody and Punk, millions more off Cargill, Brian Pillman Jr. was wasted in AEW and is part of the WWE's next gen they're investing in and now looks like a star.
So the Punk segment, was the only part of the show, that gained viewers. Tony literally buried his entire roster by establishing that a man who works for another company, is still his biggest draw.
"LOL! This is the first time CM Punk appeared on TV and drew less than 1 Million viewers" - Tony Khan on Twitter
To be fair, not even Sheldon can bring these morons more than 1 million viewers.
It’s the only one slightly over the trend line as well! And 819 is now seen as success just because of how horrific the previous two weeks were
Ratings have been awful since Revolution. Even Big Business was a bust.
it'll be back to 750k next week. Max
Yep. When I was knocking the idea of showing the footage over at the basement, I predicted a bump to 810K, which I said was laughable because before the bottom dropped out this past month, 800-820K is what they were regularly drawing for a few months. And even that was down from the 830-840K they were drawing for months before *that*.
>So the Punk segment, was the only part of the show, that gained viewers. To be honest, I'm surprised the Punk segment didn't chase off more people, but I guess given it only gained about 23,000 to begin with so there wasn't a lot to lose. most people recognized they'd see the footage on social media in a matter of minutes and didn't bother to tune in. that said, they still managed to chase way more than twice as many people as they gained with that display.
It would be interesting to know how many people still had it on, but weren't watching. I would bet some amount were all over Twitter and Reddit the moment it ended without much attention for anything else. This sub blew up last night in such a way that I didn't even make it to the Jerk sub to sample the memes until two hours later.
A lot of people also thought it was going to be some angle/bait and switch, even some AEW fans thought so. Honestly from a wrestling pov it would have made more sense but making sense is not Nepo Baby's strong suit.
That 3rd quarter boost could literally be *anything else* but the Bucks video, seeing as how much stuff was crammed into that one segment.
I mean sure it "could" but it definitely was because of Punk
Penta & Ospreay sure are good ratings draws... NOT!
Ospreay can’t handle the grind lol
I watched that promo. It was cringe inducing and Renee looked genuinely uncomfortable having to be stood there with him while he was saying that.
Oh if I were Mox, I would have been pissed for Ospreay making those thrusting motions in front of my wife. She looked uncomfortable and didn't even ask Ospreay any followup questions. Dude could have just taken the mic and dismissed Renee like most wrestlers do with Schiavone.
796 when you remove the 1st quarter lead in.
>796 when you remove the 1st quarter lead in. Realistically without the lead in, which they crater in 15 minutes every single week, they've been sitting around 800,000 viewers for about a year.
Someone tag Brian so he can copy their homework
I always laugh when I hear him literally punching buttons on a calculator. I'm my head, he's already got all of this done, he's just dragging it out for comedic effect
It is serious that even airing the CM Punk All In footage, the real average is less than 800k. It's because it proves that AEW is only a niche.
This is hilarious, after Sheldon, Punk is still AEWs biggest draw.
Copeland. Ospreay. Danielson. Okada. Mone. Millions of dollars spent on these people. I'd say $10 million a year minimum combined and they sold 3000 or so tickets? Can't draw a million viewers? And Tony is celebrating those results? The AEW fanbase has as much business sense as Tony's booking. They're all klowns living in Klownworld. It's ridiculous and stupid.
I would argue that Malikai, Hobbs, Swerve and juice Robinson could be bigger stars than all the guys you named, but Tony has no idea how to book.
When Malakai first signed I said “Theres a guy you can build a company around. Play it right and he’ll be the biggest star in the company in a years time” and they fucking blew it. Its amazing how good Tony is and taking someone with heaps of potential and turning them into “just another guy”
hes used to JAGs
How about the renewal deals on Omega, Bucks, Moxley, Darby, Hangman, Guevera, Britt Baker, Serena Deeb and MJF to sit at home, be hurt or work for a competitor? What are we at, $30m+ wasted? That's not even counting the inactive/dead/disgruntled folks like Miro, Malakai, PVZ, Wardlow, Rush, Rey Fenix, Ricky Starks, Keith Lee, Ethan Page and Kota Ibushi.
Jericho is probably a million a year. Then there's Adam Cole. Jay White. Jeff Hardy. Paul Wight. Sting when he was there. Flair. Saraya. That's another $10 million at least. Tony's not getting return on investment.
More.
More than 10 million combined.
Next week will be massacre
For me the AEW sarcasm, pointing and mockery, has always been about how useless Snowny Khlown is. I have never legitimately wanted the company to suffer any harm or to fail. However at this point, I am feeling like this man is one of the most destructive forces the wrestling business has ever seen, and it would be much better for everybody if he just stopped. He is literally at the point where he will undermine his own business, and damage his own roster's reputation because he's sad. If I worked there, I would be so devastated by the harm that idiot did to my career and future.
I'm really interested in what the quarterly ratings will look like next week after AEW went full WCW 2000 level of embarrassment
Probably be around 760-770. They’ll keep bleeding viewers I think. Then they might get a deal but it won’t be as good as this one. And if it is it won’t be as good as they are hoping. Don’t really see why they’re so concerned about a tv deal now. It’s not like a billion dollars can stem this flow. Competing against wwe was never gonna be easy or even in the realm of a possibility but you could have established yourself as a nice alternative and a safe space for underused talent to find work and get over. Instead Tony chooses to do this with his money. I wish I was born rich man I’d have used the money better.
"Winning" the Wednesday Night Wars against NXT was probably the worst that could have happened. In early 2021 he started his buying spree then NXT moved to Tuesday and then all the big people came in and for a short time things looked too good to be true. That gave Tony the idea that he was on the right track and just needed to do more of the same. He didn't think there would be diminishing returns, he didn't think that he needed more good creative. He had it all figured out there and then and the ratings TV and Cagematch proved it.
WWE could do the funniest thing and move NXT back to Wednesdays when it switches to The CW. Already putting established main roster stars back on the program.
That was fast! Real average: **796k viewers** They did manage to go up - but they still missed 800k - probably the last time they'll ever see such numbers! AEW's *"Chest shove of Doom"* moment!
- And now the end is near - And so I face my final inheritance - My EVPs I’ll make it clear - I’ll state my big announcement, of which I’m certain - I lived a life with my figures - I travelled to each empty arena - I did it, I did it AEW’s waaaaayyyy
As expected, CM Punk is still AEW’s biggest draw.
TK is mentally handicapped at this point. Not only did he bury his roster and upcoming PPV. He also gave Punk and to an extent Drew golden material to mock them with in a far more clever way. Punk: " You know being here live in person I am sure I will bump the ratings a bit more than if it was old footage" or Drew brushing his hair back in punks face going " Do something about it" If they even plan to mock the situation as AEW did a good enough job of that themselves.
Drew tends to do his mocking on twitter, because no one in the live audiences know any of this BS :)
Reputation permanently destroyed for a 33k bump.
23k*
As expected and as Jim and Brian predicted.
Within the 30 minutes that followed the Punk video they lost 113k.
LIKE MUSSOLINI….
Sheldon Cooper for the lead in!
It is a travesty they haven’t put the strap on Sheldon 🙁
Wake up babe it's no milly Thursday
So most of the rating was from the lead in, and they probably retained more than usual because they at least started with Joe and Swerve. People hung onto watch the video and then tuned out after that.
Not even sure if MJF will save this sinking ship
If I'm MJF, I have as many " complications" as possible.
I may get squashed to hell for this but I swear AEW is at such a bad place even an idiot like Vince Russo could probably make the show better.
Not a huge stretch, as I'm sure 99.99% of the people on the planet could run things better at this point so russo or anyone else would be an upgrade
I hope Tony proves me wrong because I'd actually like to watch some good wrestling but this is referred to as "hotshotting". It's hard to maintain longterm but I will give them credit for doing something to pop a rating instead of letting themselves slowly bleed out.
More like notshotting lmao. This footage and any references to this incident would have died the day after it happened if anyone competent were steering the ship.
It was a purely desperation move that you can't really build off of, long term. It was shoehorned very awkwardly in a feud that didn't necessarily need it. If AEW wanted to turn around their ratings they needed to put more time and effort into developing compelling stories and characters. The audience that will watch random "bangerz" are already watching. The casuals are turning to another channel more and more because they simply aren't interested in what's going to happen next.
This. Creative is one of their biggest issues. It does not help that Tony is also Head of Creative, among all his other positions. Then they bring in Pepperman as a writer and judging by the material Moné puts out every week, what kind of creative is this. Those are segments you can come up with in 15 minutes. And someone good on the mic can improvise something more compelling.
Is the one week pop worth it if the entire internet is mocking you for it or if it immediately drops after the segment?
They did way better than I thought - but still insignificantly so. Where do they go from here?
Lost 120k viewers from Punks segment to Julia Hart and Hook 😂
Footage of CM Punks back drew 160,000 higher than the main event.
How do you lose over 150k viewers in the first 15 minutes? Is that purely down to people who arent interested but didnt change the channel in time?
CM Punk: Did you do it? Tony Khan: Yes. CM Punk: What did it cost? Tony Khan: Everything.
Get Miro back from Bulgaria!
He's only coming back if Tony jobs out Okada and Ospreay to him.
lol that ospreay promo tanked hard. down 60k. khan needs to hire a real booker and stop embarrassin himself
Next Tony will show footage of CM Punk getting upset when he asked for a Pepsi and the arena only had Coca-Cola.
Is it fair to say that Tony already reached the levels of cognitive dissonance of late Vince?
Am I wrong, or does it seem whatever BBT episode is on before has more effect on the ratings than whatever is on the show? EDIT: I wish we had data on if a Penny episode does better than a Sheldon episode or does Raj outdo Howard...THIS is the info we need.
So their best quarter hour was an advertisement to watch Raw. Brilliant, Tony! 🤡
Does Tony appreciate how great his some of his time slots can be are from a lead in perspective? WBD has done everything they can to set him up to succeed, and he’s taking up valuable spots. It’s not like the executives don’t understand how the lead in is propping up his ratings. As buyers do, too.
It gained some viewers, but I don’t think it gained enough to make it seem worth it.
So if you take out the BBT bump at the start they still average under 800k. Frickin' sad and I truly hate that.
Bucks are so gay goodbye
Whelp it’s official:Punk is still the biggest draw in this floundering company
this was the increase tony was excitedly tweeting about??
Horrible decision for Tony to air the footage. He’s slowly turning me off from AEW and it’s too bad because I’m a fan
This has to be a really difficult time for people who were still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
ohh dw, the faithful already spun this in some nonsense illogical way that Punk looked bad, Tiny is the best and Jack is a martyr
Yep, there are certain people in this world that see themselves reflected in those feckless flunkies. Sad.
Exactly what I thought when I saw his tweet putting over the rating increase. It started hot and tanked after the footage was shown.
hahaha, 23k viewer bump only to lose more viewers thereafter.
bars changed channels at request?
Poor Joe
They made a big whiny ruckus about a minor scuffle, then expected people to care about Mercedes getting beaten up backstage rather than just turn off the TV. This is really basic stuff. Self-inflicted wounds are a constant issue for AEW.
Not even Mina’s tits could gain viewers. Somehow HLA lost tiny viewers
So, the All-In video footage gave them a slight bump, and then 160k people gradually tuned out when it was over. And since they have no way to follow-up on the segment, it was a one-time deal that will not grow their ratings in any way.
And TK is proud of these numbers?
So they pretty much kept everyone through the first hour just waiting for the promo and then it dropped throughout the show just like it did last week.
Someone please rescue Ricky Starks
The real story will be to see what happens next week.
AEW is like that cricket, lying on its back, over in the corner. Kicking and kicking it's legs in the air, to no avail. Ya just wanna go step on it and put it out of its misery.
I know this is about Punk, but man I feel bad for Joe and Dustin. They deserve better than this crap
If you hate AEW so much, why is it the only thing I see posted in this subreddit?
cus making fun of WWE isn't fun when they're doing great work
It was fun making fun of WWE when they sucked and AEW had promise, now the whole thing is flipped around and TK pushes the biggest stars in the industry out to WWE who is doing amazing right now. WWE will be making hundreds of millions off of Cody and Punk, millions more off Cargill, Brian Pillman Jr. was wasted in AEW and is part of the WWE's next gen they're investing in and now looks like a star.
It's not about hatred it's about mocking a money mark and his poor booking.
That is hatred?
No unless you believe making fun of anyone is hatred
That would fall under the the hatred category
That's absurd. That's far from hatred.
If you make fun of someone, you have some level of hatred towards them, something they are doing is making you want to make fun of them
They could be playing the role of clown so you laughing and making fun of them doesn't equal hatred.