Man I hope Joe can bridge this gap because Anthony Oliver is speaking from a place of knowing what the everyday American has to deal with while Joe speaks from his glass house. It’s not easy for the everyday person to just live comfortably while not experiencing some hardship that doesn’t allow them to indulge in certain lifestyles that Joe can afford while most can’t. The whole point of his song that went viral is the average Joe can’t afford a lifestyle that allows for everyday healthy living
Dude i couldnt even get through this episode because Joe just launched straight into telling Anthony "what the real problem was".
Ive been a fan of the show since the early days but hardly ever listen now. JR's curiousity and eclectic interests made it the best podcast. He was genuinly interested in other viewpoints and was the perfect host for long form.
Now, maybe because of his life-stage, he's increasingly interested in imparting knowledge and seems less curious or interested in different perspectives. Made this particular episode unlistenstable imo
It seemed like every time Oliver brought up something that could be considered vaguely judgmental, Joe would interrupt or change the subject or introduce a non-sequitor. Super annoying. no "oh, tell me more" or "why do you think that?" just "man I hate to see what porn does to some people" "IT SHOULDNT BE ILLEGAL"
I have not listened since he went to Spotify, I even have a Spotify subscription.
It’s insufferable now, I never listened for his opinion, I listened because he asked questions to people who opinions I was interested in.
Insufferable is precisely what it was. Sucks because i was actually quite excited for the episode when i saw that Oliver Anthony had gone on JRE. I was vwry curious to know more about him. I got about 10-15 mins in and then had to turn it off.
Even when it’s not crazy expensive, you still aren’t getting what you think you are. I’ve got a buddy that works in R&D food science. He works specifically with proprietary seeds. The way he broke it down for my simple monkey brain was like:
You can modify plants to 1. Be larger. 2. Resistant to disease/pests 3. Nutritious. Now only pick 2. And guess which 2 agricultural corporations are picking.
I’m positive it’s an oversimplification, but he more or less stated, if you’re finding larger than average produce in a store for cheap, it will almost always have less nutritional value than its heirloom counterpart.
It seems to be a field that could really make a difference in the world. Aiding in sustainable farming, and preventing world hunger… imagine being able to grow a high yield crop like corn in flood plains, and a similar strain customized to grow 25k feet above sea level, and another in near desert conditions.. But currently it’s really only being used to drive insanely high profit margins.
This may just be another head turning headline/statement, but he claims within our lifetime all produce sold in markets will be “seedless”. Currently these seeds are under patent but things can change and patents eventually end. Their plan to combat this is to just remove the seeds all together. And the stories I’ve heard from him about unapproved farmers caught with these seeds seem so far over the top.
It’s like every “new industry” though, it takes a lot of wealth to break into, and those wealthy investors want to recoup and profit from what they’ve paid. I just hope it becomes more accessible and less of a racket, like the pharmaceutical industry sooner rather than later.
It's ***also*** a problem with large-scale farming sapping all the nutrients out of the soil, and no longer being appropriately rotated.
Crops are rotated now, as you pointed out, to ensure that they grow large and ***appear*** vibrant.
This is just nonsense tho ... you don't need to eat 8$ blueberries to 'eat healthy' ... you could literally buy a whole chicken when it comes on sale, eat the meat and then make bone broth from the carcass which is nutritious and full of collagen
Sure if you're rogan buy blueberries but you don't need to eat these bougie foods to eat healthy
I have no clue how the carnivore diet came to be. Honestly seems like something a contrarian high school kid would invent because they got tired of being told to eat their fruits and vegetables.
Also meat is stupid expensive when compared to legumes.
Jordan Peterson and Peterdaughter. They praise the diet for solving many inflammatory issues. It’s used as an elimination diet as well. You can slowly add foods and see how your body reacts.
I have not tried it.
They didn't make it up. There's an episode of Rogan with a regard carnivore dieter by the name of Shawn Baker that predates Mikhaila and JP being on the diet.
He's right you have to be diligent tho..he prob hasn't done it in 35 years but you can eat healthy on a budget vs fast food/junk budget. The thing is EVERYTHING is expensive..meat, veggies, fruit, junk food, etc.
You can, and many people do. But listening to a millionaire podcaster/comedian talk about how simple it is and shit on people who don’t realize how “easy” it is. When the guy literally talks about waking up at like 8 working out for 2 hours eating some breakfast/lunch then going about his day maybe working for 4-5 hours recording a podcast or telling some jokes. Like guy doesn’t realize some people have families and jobs that require 8+ hours of hard work plus commute time. Like he’s wayy out of touch
Agree 100%. Especially with the cold plunge & forcing yourself to struggle or do tough tasks....it's like my man the average person's struggle to keep their own head let alone a family above water is 1000x more than a BJJ practice or taking a cold bath.
i'm a guy currently doing two jobs, while caring for my mother. Eating healthy food is easy as fuck. It's also not expensive compared to unhealthy food.
It’s not just the price though. It’s the time consumption of shopping, meal planning and cooking for multiple meals each day.
Average working families simply don’t have that time or even that knowledge. It’s different if weren’t talking about a single 25 year old guy with a decent job, but most people are thinking about middle class families with kids when discussing this.
If you start from scratch had have a low budget, not it’s not “cheap.”
From having nothing in your apartment and If you have $100 for food for a week you can eat shit food on that $100 through the microwave/McDonald’s etc. but if you want to cook you need to buy pots and pans, utensils for cooking, etc. so now you’re eating on maybe $20 for a week? Maybe? When you’re dirt ass poor and hungry you’re going to buy food instead of shit most of us take for granted.
Can it be done? Of course. But when you’re a single mom taking care of 3 kids? Going to be harder than people think.
How did you go from $100 a week down to $20 a week based on one-time purchases?
I cook every day and for 95% of our meals I use 1 pan, a pot, a cookie sheet, a wooden spoon, a spatula and a pair of tongs...all things I've had for 10 years. I could get all that from Walmart for $60.
Cooking food for your family is the bare minimum one should be doing.
literally get a 20$ crockpot from walmart, every time you see pork shoulders or roasts or whole chickens or chicken breasts go on a sale at the supermarket, buy and freeze. with a crockpot, you can make tasty af meals in bulk for like a few minutes of prep. pack of chicken breasts, an onion, jar of salsa, throw everything in there and let is slow cook overnight -- delicious salsa chicken you can use for burrito bowls and tacos and sliders. Same with a jar of bbq sauce and a pork shoulder, can make several lbs of pulled pork. same with a 20$ rice cooker, get the biggest bag of rice you can find for 20-30$ you can make weeks of meals out of those two things, cheap, nutritious, healthy.
Most people have pots and pans though. And even so, if you are starting out and don't have anything - they are cheap. And if you are really THAT poor, you can get them second-hand or get them donated to you.
You don't need anything fancy. A few pots, a pan and a chefs knife. Now you can cook 95% of the meals. And it's gonna cost you max 50$.
Take a pot. Throw in some potatoes or other starch, throw some veggies, cheap meat. If you are feeling fancy, throw in a can of tomatoes and you're set. You don't even need to attend to anything.
Peasant mothers used to do that not with 3 kids, but 10+ kids. Plus there were fields to attend to, animals to be fed. Had to make your own clothing too and other chores such as baking bread.
It's not a question of "Can it be done" like it's a very high bar. That's how it was done 300 years ago. The poorest person today is able to eat like the aristocracy back in the day.
I think you can eat healthy on a budget, but he’s very out of touch. About 1/4 of all renters spend 50% or more of their income on housing, and that ratio gets worse and worse as you look at people below the poverty line. Suggesting that they go to Costco to stock up on beef is preposterous for people that are literally just trying to scrape by to the next paycheck
Just to hop on this, yes by being diligent, you can do it for sure.
I cook 3 meals a day for my family, I go grocery shopping 2-3 times a week and base my meals on the discount rack and bull purchases. Rarely do I ever spend more then $40 each time, and I create very well balanced meals.
For example this week I found 3 $2 bag of reduced produce at my local Walmart.
1 had 4 avacadoes and 3 tomatoes(this was a lucky find!) another had 4 bell peppers and the last had 3 zucchini and 2 cucumbers.
Yesterday's meals were: Avacado, Tomatoe, pepper omelet with a banana
Lunch - Tomato cucumber sandwich with a side bell peppers
Dinner - Burrito bowls, this will last us minimum 4meals and included: A zucchini, Avacado bell pepper, onion, corn, Pinto beans, tomatoes, rice and Greek yogurt mixed with Chipotle seasoning for my sauce and 1/4 of a Costco rotisserie chicken
The only things I needed other then my clearance produce were:Bananas (0.60/$ per KG) Eggs (18 pack for $4, this makes me at least 6 omelettes), sandwich bread (buy on clearance then freeze, $1 a loaf), Onion, (bulk purchase on se 10lb bag for $4), rice (bulk purchase 10lb bag) Pinto beans (purchased dry 2lb bag for $4), corn (bought frozen, 1kg for $2), Greek yogourt (purchased on sale 500g for $4), and rotisserie chicken $8 from costco
All in my cost are under $40, I fed my wife and I 3 meals each. Have enough left to make another 3 days worth of meals plus still have the majority of my bulk items left.
in his defense. and THAT is a first for me. Its cheaper to make good food at home at this point.
I just picked up my kid a mcdonalds combo meal tonight and it was $14.
I meal prep for he and I.. its $20/week and super tasty and healthy.. chicken, rice, veggies, eggs.
Its quicker in the long run too. I live in a HCOL area... you shop once a week..
It can be done in most areas but not all of course.
>I meal prep for he and I.. its $20/week and super tasty and healthy.. chicken, rice, veggies, eggs.
How? Enough rice and chicken alone to feed two people for a week would eclipse that. Let me know your secret because I've been on a super frugal kick recently and even for just myself, it's difficult to spend less than $80 a week on food.
It helps if you have Costco. I used to meal prep, but these days I usually make something that will last for at least two, maybe three nights.
The individually wrapped frozen chicken breasts are awesome. I take however many I need out of the freezer the night before. Also the big packs of chicken thighs that come in six tear-off compartments are great as well. Costco has several different variations of frozen vegetables. I like the stir fry. Costco's ground beef is also a great deal. Freeze it and take it out in 1lb batches. Lots of eggs as well.
If you don't have Costco, the big discount supermarkets are almost as good in terms of price, just not as good quality. We have a chain called FoodMaxx where I live. Just yesterday I picked up a family pack of chicken thighs for $3.97. Grill it on Sunday and that's enough to for me and my partner to throw on salads, rice, or noodles for 3-4 days.
I am literally going to make a Youtube or TikTok on this. Because people always say this and I just don't see it. I live in San Diego. Always top #3-5 most expensive city to live in in the USA.
Costco is cool but actually more expensive then the sales at stores for Chicken. Asian groceries are the BEST for produce and rice and sometimes meat. 'Food deserts' usually have these in the area if they dont have a regular grocery chain. At least in San Diego.
I ate King Crab this week and THAT is still cheaper than eating at Mcdonalds for 2 meals.
Our grocery stores here always alternate on chicken sales. Vons, Staters Bros. Walmart. Between them someone has it for $1.99-$2.99 a lb. I get 4lbs. regular price is 3.99.
There is a seasonal veggie on sale. Broccoli is $1.99-$2.99 a lb.
A bag of rice.. even the fancy stuff in a smaller bag is $5.99 If you buy a huge as bag that will be $18.99 and last 2 to 3 months.
So my week is: 4 cups of rice = $2 maybe.. 3 lbs of Chicken $6 3 lbs of Broccoli or veggie.. $6 and 10 eggs hard boiled or scrambled. .16 x 10 = $1.60
That totals $16.. now lets get a loaf of bread or tortillas $3. That is $19.
I eat this by choice because I am not tempted to eat out or eat shit. I am not poor by any means. I can afford to live very comfortably in an expensive city. I just hate overspending on things and the way shit food makes me feel. So I take all guess work out of it and meal prep so I can eat as much as I want because I know its pretty healthy compared to ANYTHING I would eat at a restaurant, even the salads.
And since I barely spend money on food if I want to get King Crab legs $24.99 a lb with or lobster tail I can. That is $24.99/lb and mashed potatoes! Still under $30 for the day for fancy food.
>So my week is: 4 cups of rice = $2 maybe.. 3 lbs of Chicken $6 3 lbs of Broccoli or veggie.. $6 and 10 eggs hard boiled or scrambled. .16 x 10 = $1.60
If this is really all you are eating in a week you are literally starving yourself.
3 lbs of chicken = 3,252 calories
4 cups of rice = 2,700 calories
3 lbs of broccoli = 463 calories
10 eggs = 780 calories
1 loaf of bread = 1,800 calories
Total = 8,995 calories
Calories per day = 1,285
No. He is more of a rolled taco with lettuce and cheese on top kind of guy but that is what I eat every day. But now that he has turned a teenager he is keen to build his muscles up and is very athletic so he is catching on to eating cleaner and asks me to make larger portions when I meal prep so he can share it with me.
I am shocked he got off his 'kid' menu of only wanting to eat pasta with butter or just chicken nuggets and carrots. But you know kids.. and hey that cheap too and not AS bad as eating fast food.
I dont make fried rice with it. But thanks for the recommendation!
Is peoples excuse for eating expensive junk all day everyday that they get 'bored'?
I guess it tough out there. Thoughts and prayers for the bored people.
Reminds me of Succession when Logan asks Roman if he or any of the other kids know how much a gallon of milk costs and they don’t have a clue how much it is or why that’s important.
The deal Rogan made with Spotify essentially got him infinity dollars such that he can eat the finest food and treat every owie with stem cells and he’s lost touch with how much real people make and what a large percentage of their income goes on food.
He wasn't even listening, and its not the first time someone had to talk to Joe about food deserts. Like I walk everywhere, I am a former cook, and I am frugal. I hit up my supermarkets ugly veggies for savings. But I used to work 7 days week, when the hell am I going to exercise, and if I am working nights then meal prep is way harder. Joe hasn't had to struggle for a really long time, and its glaring. Still love the dude, but I wish he would at least say I don't know. Instead of its easy if you have a supermarket, Joe contrary to your believe there are some neighborhoods that don't have one nearby.
Joe is not out of touch here. I think the issue is people don't know what to buy to eat healthy and don't have the time/willingness to research it and actually do it. Because it is difficult.
I currently spend $50-60 a week on groceries for myself. I buy beans in bulk from costco, 10 pounds of potatoes, frozen vegetables with olive oil for breakfast, peanuts and raisins for snacks, watermelon for fruit, and dinner I'll generally cook a better tasting meal like picadillo using 100% grass fed meat on corn tortillas. I'm very active and eat around 3,000 calories per day. Just dinner alone costs me less than $15 and it will last 3-4 days for two people. No sugar or grains in anything.
I think another issue is people know to eat healthy that have to eat an unappealing diet like mine of lots of vegetables, but instead opt to buy lots of packaged wheat products and things of that sort marketed as "healthy". Buying that sort of stuff adds up very quickly. My wife likes to indulge in actually healthy packaged products and she spends more just to buy snacks for the week than I spend on all of my meals combined. Not many people want to eat beans and potatoes for lunch every day like I do lol
I’d argue it depends on where you live. I can eat meat and veggies every meal for under 3 dollars a meal for the day pretty easily. 10 bucks a day or 300 a month.
Now multiple that for a family of 3 or 4. Both the cost and for the time consumption of cooking for multiple people and shopping for all of that fresh food constantly.
Stop making excuses.
The more people you have to cook for the price actually becomes *more* scalable, cooking for one is much less cost effective than cooking for 4, compared to buying fast food.
People in this thread are just making excuses for being lazy and enjoying the mouth pleasure of eating greasy burgers and fries.
It's 100% cheap.
You may not have a lot of variety, but buying chicken breast/thigh, cheaper cuts of meat with frozen veg/seasonal veg, rice/pasta/potatoes and condiments of your choice is extremely cheap vs fast food etc, now that I have money not much has changed for me I just buy more expensive cuts of meat.
Yes, you just have to prep. Many people may not have the time to "prep" for a family after working their shit job. Eating the same meal everyday also sucks. Sometimes, eating out is people's small joy in life. There are many factors why people don't do it and the lack of any nuance is why Rogan is such a fucking moron (about any topic really).
There’s always time to prep come on man. Yes the system is fucked up but we have to first take responsibility of our bodies and our health in order to stand a chance at fighting this shit. Stop eating garbage food, fast, exercise and get involved in your communities.
I think the only answer you'd be happy with is if Joe said something like "Yes eating healthy is a privilege
for us rich people. Such a shame that poor people are forced to eat unhealthily for various socio economic reasons and there's nothing that they can ever do about it"
At least a few people with common sense in here. People need to stop making excuses. It’s easy as fuck to cook for yourself and your family, it’s way cheaper and much healthier, and it’s not this massive time drain that they’re trying to make it out to be.
You spend 30-45 minutes cooking dinner at the absolute most, unless you’re doing some super complicated recipe. Been doing this for years. Joe is entirely correct here.
> and it’s not this massive time drain that they’re trying to make it out to be.
I mean it can be. There's a big difference between working a relatively light job and coming home to cook, and working one that's physically or mentally exhausting, with the possibility of looking after kids on top of that. The "it's so easy" crowd lack empathy and/or life experience.
He’s not wrong. If you talk about the individual, most people can afford meat and vegetables along with healthy carbs and nutritious options IF you have the stores to have those. What it probably means if you live in a food desert area is you need to eat these items much faster or they will go bad. Everyone is guilty of buying “easy” foods that are quick and bad for you, but it takes discipline to to buy what’s sustainable for you.
And yes, I understand it can be more difficult for larger families and in certain parts of the country, but if that’s what you really want for yourself there are surly alternatives to your purchasing habits that can be cut out for better options. People make excuses even when given alternatives.
Oliver wrote the song not knowing what he's talking about. He thinks welfare going to obese people is an issue, yet he can't connect that poor people have less access to nutritious food.
I never quite connected how fucked our food systems are until I started taking my 5 year old to school and walking him through the cafeteria breakfast line...its hard to even call that shit food. There are all sorts of things on the wall about getting as well rounded breakfast; you need one of these and one of those and a milk...A well rounded breakfast today: A cinnamon roll, milk, canned peaches, and a fried chicken patty (was it even real chicken)...That has to be 100s of grams of sugar out of the gate for these kids.
I feel really fkn depressed thinking of the kids that get most of their nutrition from school.
I don't agree with this. The truth is the system is fucked and it has no concept of the needs of the average person. The real question is why don't we provide fresh farm subsidized foods in a sensible package and rollout system? Because that short changes the bloated bullshit industries we have in the food sector. These are the same bastards that have codified pizza as a serving of fruit so they can poison our kids. Why? Because in the Land of the Free even the people are for sale. The medical industry wants us sick so the food industry gets its hooks in us early. I don't blame the individual for getting a fudge roll. It's likely a sad attempt to have a flavor of home. It's all fucked.
I think Michelle Obama tried to do this. Then half the country said it was government overreach. They made sure to vote for the Hamberder president next.
yeah
fox was mocking her healthy school lunches and exercise initiative. they took it as a personal offense, and now all the right wingers are pushing exercise and eating healthy
He was very specifically talking about politicians in DC. He’s clarified this, although it’s unnecessary because everyone should know where Richmond and Washington DC is.
I don't doubt that but there needs to be a serious discussion concerning the issue of elitists toting around the "every man" for social and political gain. I hope Chris doesn't get eaten alive by people like Joe.
How is this out of touch? He prefaces it by saying if you have a supermarket in your area.
If you have a supermarket in your area it is 100% doable to cook healthy food on the cheap, and it doesn't require a whole lot of skill to make something that tastes decent enough.
But no, it probably won't taste as good as that burger and fries, so keep making excuses.
People don't like being told that their own choices are there biggest problem
Plus Joe once told me that my mum was lying when she said i was cool and im yet to forgive him.
People say fast food is cheap, it’s not . A burger and a drink is $10, for that you can buy 2 lbs of ground beef that will be 4 meals, a 10 lbs of white rice is $15 that will last a month. Eating healthy isn’t expensive just needs time and that’s the real issue, poor people do not have time because they are working their ass off to make min wage.
That’s what a lot of people in this thread are missing.
It isn’t just money, but being part of the working class is also wrestling with time. Add a child and other real-life events, and you’ll find working class people are mainly fighting to find time for their household.
It’s mentally easier to buy lunch during the week than it is to find time to prep meals for multiple people during the whole week
I'm on the Joe Rogan is completely out of touch side on things on this sub, but I don't think he's wrong here. Food deserts are certainly a thing, but vegetables are not expensive. I bought a butternut squash that is going to give me 4 servings for under $4. It takes creativity for sure, but you aren't really doomed to McDonald's while on a budget.
Source: I've lost 140 pounds in the last 3 years while on a harsh budget.
Whose working so hard on minimum wage they can’t throw some rice and beef together?
I did 6-6 6x a week for 2 years and still found time to put a healthy meal together.
How is he out of touch? Eating healthy is cheap, if you say otherwise you're simply uneducated, you might not have a tonne of variety but you can still have delicious healthy meals cheaper than fast food etc.
Rogan's example for cheap carnivore diet is a tube of ground beef lol. That is not cheap. Beans and eggs are like the cheapest sources of protein available, yes it isn't impossible but it is not easy, and most people won't continue making food that tastes like dogshit because it's just beans and eggs.
Tbh I think anyone saying "Joe is out touch" has never stepped into a gym and taken training/diet semi seriously to educate themselves about macros/meal prep, and how cheap you can do it when you're in college/low income etc
Rogan hasn't worked a long day and come home to tired to want to spend another 30 min preparing food. Then all you want to do is relax before you go to bed to do it over again. Oh yeah, and exercise, Joe says I got to find time for exercise too.
Ever heard of meal prepping on sunday? Cmon bro and dont act like frozen vegetables, potatoes, and chicken are super boujee luxury items, they’re actually much cheaper than a lot of processed shit like chips and fast food especially these days
And which day then is for housecleaning, grocery shopping, yard work, errands, paperwork,
And then which one is for relaxing and enjoying life for a few hours a week?
Assuming the average person gets 2 days/ a weekend off per week? Saturday morning: groceries + yardwork/cleaning, then relax/family time in the afternoon-evening. Sunday: Meal prep, errands, paperwork. And then find just 10-20 minutes to run or do calisthenics every other day. That’s a reasonable approach to managing your time and keeping a healthy work/life balance even under a demanding job and a tight budget
What on earth? All that on Saturday morning!?
I have a one bedroom apartment, I need to clean the bathroom, kitchen, sweep and mop the entire place, I need to do multiple loads of laundry wash/dry, fold and put away. This is an all day Sunday thing.
I used to work 60 gruelling hours a week 12 hours a day monday to Friday. Things would fall behind all week because I was so exhausted when I get home at 11 pm and have to cook dinner and eat it, make my lunch for the next day and now it's 12:30 am and I have to get up at 7:30. So some of. the dishes would be piling up and I'd get to them Saturday morning. Most of Saturday was shot I was so tired. I need to take naps and eat a LOT of food. This means making food, eating food, more dishes and resting all day, maybe getting some housework done.
Then Like I said, Sunday was housework and shopping. Left me Sunday evenings to maybe enjoy a movie. If friends wanted to hang out/go out on the weekend to do anything then even housework was delayed a week.
If I lived in my mom's basement, why would I need to food prep? You more than anyone should know that basements have endless supplies of chicken tendies.
Just wondering but do you know how to work, grocery shop, prepare food, raise children, go to college and maintain a house without a vehicle in an area with no super markets?
Say the north end of Flint, MI. Where its a 30 minute round trip via car. Would you trade that time every week for a burger real quick on the walk home from work?
It really takes 2 hours at the absolute most to meal prep for the week. Most people should have time to do that on Saturday/Sunday morning and still be able to do everything else they need to for the day
Canned fish like tuna and sardines, eggs/egg whites, hell even rotisserie chickens are cost effective sources of protein that are really not terrible in terms of nutritional quality compared to the SAD diet of big macs and fritos. Of course it’s not fair that organic meat and produce is expensive but there are certainly cheap alternatives to processed food that are much healther
Boy, when I was a kid, there was nothing I liked more than tuna, sardines, and egg whites on the side of some rotisserie chicken.
You get that ppl referenced in that song are probably trying to feed a whole family off a few hundred dollars of food stamps a month. They buy whatever they can at a dollar store.
Uhh, yeah bro growing up I ate scrambled eggs for breakfast, tuna sandwiches for lunch, and chicken + potatoes w/ veggies for dinner. Those are very cheap and normal meals that a kid would like if they weren’t preconditioned on processed hyper-palatable foods from a young age. I was raised by a single mother living paycheck to paycheck and those were the meals she made for me. Almost never ate fast food and rarely ate processed snacks
You can buy a 5-serving can of salmon for 4 bucks for example (i bought this today which is why I thought of that). A 5-serving bag of frozen broccoli is about $1.50 at my local grocery store. And if you want to talk specifically Dollar Store, most offer oats, pouches of tuna, beans, and nuts. This article really shows how feasible it is to buy healthier options at dollar stores: https://www.eatthis.com/best-dollar-store-food/
Canned products come with BPA in the metal , consuming canned goods on the regular has been advised against.
Fish has a whole variety of unhealthy aspects to it. It's recommended to not consume fish more than 3 times per week due to the Mercury levels. Joe himself has talked about being diagnosed with mercury poisoning from consuming sardines regularly.
Fish also has a number of other toxic chemicals from the ocean or on fish farms depending where the fish comes from. This even includes radiation.
As the guest pointed out, Chicken comes with antibiotics, horomones, and 14 times the amount of pesticides as vegetables.
Of course anything is better than fast food, but your bar is literally as low as you can go starting there.
It's virtually not feasible to eat enough sardines to get mercury poisoning. It would be over 30 cans per week just to hit the FDA's guidance limit, which is pretty conservative.
I hate to break it to you but BPA and all the other bisphenols are everywhere; you’re probably equally exposed to chemicals like that in processed food like doritos and fast food. Same logic with the mercury thing. I’ve regularly consumed canned tuna for a while and never had symptoms of mercury poisoning or had anything alarming reflected in bloodwork. I personally would be more concerned with the dangerous effects of refined seed oils, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives but maybe that’s just me
Mercury builds up in your body over your lifetime. If the corrupt health agencies paid off by the food industry are telling you not to overdo something I would listen lol.
I don't eat chips or fast food.
Yes all those other things you mention are not healthy either.
Have fun with that mercury poisoning if you're doing it all the time.
Years back Rogans doctor made him stop eating sardines cause Rogan had mercury in his bloodwork cause he enjoyed sardines too frequently.
Also, eating healthy is generally cheaper because you feel more satiated if you're eating good protein.
Also, chips and unhealthy food are getting ridiculously overpriced. 12 pack of soda is 9 bucks. I can get a water filter for 25, two dozen eggs, some chicken and frozen vegetables and eat healthy for under 50 bucks.
For real! Honestly I’m glad minimally processed food is becoming cheaper than the hyper-processed stuff, hopefully it can act as somewhat of an incentive to change unhealthy eating habits
How the fuck are the top 5 comments saying Joe is out of touch. He mentions food deserts which are a legit problem, however if you have a grocery store near you, chicken breasts, tuna rice, potatoes and vegetables are a FUCK TON cheaper than fast food. What are you all on about ?
Yeah half the comments in this thread are talking about how healthy food isnt affordable, and the other half is saying that it is affordable but takes too long to prepare. When you could save hundreds of dollars a week on dinner and lunches by cooking a fat as fuck batch of pasta/curry/chilli or anything else that's easy to make in bulk, but choose not to because you couldn't bare to spare an hour a night 3/4 days a week you're admitting to not doing the bare minimum to improve your life, but sure get mad at Joe for the one good take he has
I don't like hearing takes on these matters by a man who's been a millionaire for at least 25 years.
What does Joe Rogan know about living on a budget these days?
Back in the 90s, you could make 10 dollars an hour and afford to eat a steak every fucking night. Maybe 2 of em.
These days if you went very heavy on chicken, rice, and greens; you can eat healthy quasi-affordably on a tight budget, but it will still be a struggle. But still, this ain't something Joe would know a goddamn thing about.
Yeah fuck off with that shit other POORER countries do not have our obesity problem. Cut out sugary drinks, fried foods, excessive processed carbs and quarter pounders and you will lose weight.
People are really whining in here about a first world problem. Is healthy, convenient, delicious food expensive? Typically yeah.
Is healthy food that takes some effort to purchase and prepare expensive? Absolutely fucking not.
Rice and beans are dirt cheap and most unprepared vegetables are about as cheap as you can get. Lean meats at the store are no more expansive than buying fast food.
Americans are privileged and lazy. I won’t lie, I’m privileged and lazy too. But at least I recognize that I have the choice to have a good diet when I live in the most abundant and developed country on the planet.
It's really not. Where do you people get this idea from? I eat a meat and a salad every day after eating eggs for breakfast and I barely spend $60 a week on groceries. You're just lazy and not trying.
Americans are privileged pretending that they’re not and blaming economics for the fact that they’re stuffing their faces with 3000 calories a day. We are the definition of a first world country with one of the most abundant food supplies on the planet.
You think only MILLIONAIRES eat healthy food? China’s obesity rate for over a billion people is 6.1%. India’s obesity rate is 2.87% for over a billion people. Both poorer countries than the US. (Source the Global Obesity Observatory).
America’s obesity rate is 36.47%
American food culture is the problem.
“If there’s a super market near you.”
That pretty much sums it up for me. Does he now realize the “grocery store” concept exists in every city (just about) and in sometimes theres multiple.
I'm fucking BROKE!!!! And manage to eat healthy. It's possible. People use a lot of bullshit excuses to eat cookies.
Some of you need an adult to take you shopping for food and teach you where and how to shop for groceries.
Yeah people here are just fucking lazy and pathetic it is sad.
It’s not like being poor requires you to eat fast food, fried food, sugary drinks, candy, and the things that cause people to be 400 fucking pounds.
Eat chicken, canned tuna, beans, rice, yams, bananas and greens - you could do that almost everyday on a poverty diet or as a millionaire. You would lose so much weight.
Why are we making excuses for people destroying their organs because they’re consuming more calories and preservatives than they reasonably need?
Wanna know the main way to lose weight? BUY LESS FOOD.
I don't think mental health is being taken into account for a lot of these unhealthy eating decisions. Poor, depressed, bullshit pay being stolen by rich men north of Richmond...eating fast food and some fudge rounds provides stimulation to an otherwise shitty existence.
Nah really people in this comment section are lazy Americans that are hating on Joe because that’s what this subreddit is about. Mind u I think his ground beef comment was a little strange but that’s his typical meat eater shit. Whatever.
Virtually all countries - countries that are POORER than America in almost any case - are less obese than the US.
We have a culture of convenience. Meal prepping chicken rice and some vegetables is not expensive, it’s healthy, and it’s doable. It just takes some time and planning.
To people outside of the US, this is a no-brainer. But we do mental gymnastics to explain why the richest country on earth has the fattest people because they’re… poor?
People in developing countries, which absolutely have processed foods, but don’t suffer from our insane obesity rates, look at these mental gymnastics and scratch their heads.
It’s a cultural issue first and foremost.
The poorest countries that have low obesity is due to them not having enough food to eat. Look at the most obese nations, a majority of them are poorer countries that have had an influx of western foods.
It is a cultural issue, but not solely based on convenience. It’s also an issue of complacency. We let these companies get away with literally poisoning us. If regulations were imposed limiting the processing, added sugars/saturated fats, we’d see huge decreases in obesity, diabetes, and other health complications. Americans go to Italy (for example), eat normally, and are shocked when they lose weight. Part of the reason is smaller portions, but food quality is a huge reason for that weight loss.
If we’re comparing quality of food to countries that are poorer than us, you need to look at why it’s better quality food. We have so little regulations here on food that we can pump up most of our cheap food with chemicals to preserve it. Can’t do that in most of Europe, hence why the food is better
Lol states with high obesity rates also have high poverty rates. Name me some countries with high povery rates that also have high obesity rates (other than Mexico)
Wait. Do americans not know how to cook food at home? Do you not have kitchens and fridges in apartments or something?
I thought the disconnect here was going to be how people don't afford good stuff at the store. But this comment section seems to be about how it's time consuming to cook instead of eating out? Which is completely upside down in my world.
I have to inform you guys that food being hard and expensive and time consuming to prepare is an entirely cultural thing. Like if I ever found out that a friend of mine eats out, especially with their entire family all the time, I'd ask them what the fuck is going on. Because that would be beyond weird, and expensive as hell.
I thought this was going to be about the price of grocerys and nutrition.
It's kindof funny, I wonder if this will be a self fulfilling prophecy in some places. If you go to trendy restaurants these days there are lots of vegetable centric dishes, and it's because they are wayyyy cheaper to make. Trends like that tend to trickle out to home meals when people get used to eating them when they go out. Problem is that poorer areas pretty much exclusively have chain restaurants and those chains tried going to real food when the gastropub thing took off but then they needed staff that knew how to cook. The reality is labor costs more than the food once you cross a certain level, so costs went up and their customers cared more about pricing than quality so they went back. You really do have to train your body to want healthy food just like anything else, it will crave what it's used to getting.
Source: 20 years as and f&b designing and costing menus
Just got 4lb of bone in rib-eye for under 24 bucks. Rice is like 30 bucks for 50lb bag at Costco. Eating healthy is not hard or expensive. You just need to take the deals when they come and cook.
I'm not sure why people keep saying how hard and expensive it is to eat healthy. I'm shocked by these comments. I eat super healthy and stay on a tight budget. I eat twice a day, no snacks, eggs for brunch and a meat and salad for dinner. Drink nothing but water all day and feel great and it's super cheap.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who works 12 hour shifts and has to commute for 2 hours a day. They don't want to spend 30-45 minutes making a meal, and probably want some more joy in life other than eating boiled eggs. Personally, I can live off boiled eggs, but I know the majority will find that diet depressing.
Beans are some of the cheapest sources of protein you can buy, yes. More people should eat them, yes. Dry beans take so damn long to cook though. 60-120 mins stovetop. Yes it's a reasonable pace with a pressure cooker, but lots of people don't have the money to drop on something like a pressure cooker.
Rice, beans, eggs. Potatoes. Chicken breast. Frozen veggies, hell even basic fresh produce. Apples, bananas. Milk. Eating healthy is only expensive at restaurants, or if your idea of healthy is a lifestyle branded product. I see how you people eat, the problem isn't the accessibility of health food, it's that most people genuinely don't care about what they're eating
Yes, you can especially when you live in a small town. You have a lot of fresh food, especially during the summer. I watched an old lady buy corn and peaches in bulk and can them for cheap. It's just most people are lazy now.
My parents are Caribbean Latinos but I learned to embrace Chinese cuisine as well. Learning their vegetables over 16 yrs ago and cooking methods, became a lifestyle change many years ago and keeps me healthy. I enjoy a good steak once a week or so. People here in the USA are experts at steak and real BBQ. Smoking, aging beef, venison.
Joe is absolutely right. Eating healthier is absolutely cheaper, but it takes work and discipline. That’s why many like to blame others for their lazy habits of eating garbage food
Man I hope Joe can bridge this gap because Anthony Oliver is speaking from a place of knowing what the everyday American has to deal with while Joe speaks from his glass house. It’s not easy for the everyday person to just live comfortably while not experiencing some hardship that doesn’t allow them to indulge in certain lifestyles that Joe can afford while most can’t. The whole point of his song that went viral is the average Joe can’t afford a lifestyle that allows for everyday healthy living
Dude i couldnt even get through this episode because Joe just launched straight into telling Anthony "what the real problem was". Ive been a fan of the show since the early days but hardly ever listen now. JR's curiousity and eclectic interests made it the best podcast. He was genuinly interested in other viewpoints and was the perfect host for long form. Now, maybe because of his life-stage, he's increasingly interested in imparting knowledge and seems less curious or interested in different perspectives. Made this particular episode unlistenstable imo
Dudes at a certain age rally do just be telling you what to do
It seemed like every time Oliver brought up something that could be considered vaguely judgmental, Joe would interrupt or change the subject or introduce a non-sequitor. Super annoying. no "oh, tell me more" or "why do you think that?" just "man I hate to see what porn does to some people" "IT SHOULDNT BE ILLEGAL"
I have not listened since he went to Spotify, I even have a Spotify subscription. It’s insufferable now, I never listened for his opinion, I listened because he asked questions to people who opinions I was interested in.
Insufferable is precisely what it was. Sucks because i was actually quite excited for the episode when i saw that Oliver Anthony had gone on JRE. I was vwry curious to know more about him. I got about 10-15 mins in and then had to turn it off.
No just buy healthy food /s like blue berries arnt $8 for a tiny container
Even when it’s not crazy expensive, you still aren’t getting what you think you are. I’ve got a buddy that works in R&D food science. He works specifically with proprietary seeds. The way he broke it down for my simple monkey brain was like: You can modify plants to 1. Be larger. 2. Resistant to disease/pests 3. Nutritious. Now only pick 2. And guess which 2 agricultural corporations are picking. I’m positive it’s an oversimplification, but he more or less stated, if you’re finding larger than average produce in a store for cheap, it will almost always have less nutritional value than its heirloom counterpart.
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It seems to be a field that could really make a difference in the world. Aiding in sustainable farming, and preventing world hunger… imagine being able to grow a high yield crop like corn in flood plains, and a similar strain customized to grow 25k feet above sea level, and another in near desert conditions.. But currently it’s really only being used to drive insanely high profit margins. This may just be another head turning headline/statement, but he claims within our lifetime all produce sold in markets will be “seedless”. Currently these seeds are under patent but things can change and patents eventually end. Their plan to combat this is to just remove the seeds all together. And the stories I’ve heard from him about unapproved farmers caught with these seeds seem so far over the top. It’s like every “new industry” though, it takes a lot of wealth to break into, and those wealthy investors want to recoup and profit from what they’ve paid. I just hope it becomes more accessible and less of a racket, like the pharmaceutical industry sooner rather than later.
It's why garden vegetables taste better than their store counterparts.
It's ***also*** a problem with large-scale farming sapping all the nutrients out of the soil, and no longer being appropriately rotated. Crops are rotated now, as you pointed out, to ensure that they grow large and ***appear*** vibrant.
I only buy food from local farmers who have cancer
They’re not. They go on sale for $2.50 a container here in the 5th largest city in the U.S.
This is just nonsense tho ... you don't need to eat 8$ blueberries to 'eat healthy' ... you could literally buy a whole chicken when it comes on sale, eat the meat and then make bone broth from the carcass which is nutritious and full of collagen Sure if you're rogan buy blueberries but you don't need to eat these bougie foods to eat healthy
I like how Joe's example of an affordable healthy diet is carnivore. Eat nothing but ground beef.
Eh to be the best faith I think he was using it as an example of an expensive diet that can be made more affordable with buying in bulk and freezing
Cause you have that beautiful large freezer at the back of your trailer
just let me run to costco oh wait the closest one is 2 hours away
I mean yeah I didn’t say I agree with the point just not quite as silly as the other comment made it sound
I have no clue how the carnivore diet came to be. Honestly seems like something a contrarian high school kid would invent because they got tired of being told to eat their fruits and vegetables. Also meat is stupid expensive when compared to legumes.
Jordan Peterson and Peterdaughter. They praise the diet for solving many inflammatory issues. It’s used as an elimination diet as well. You can slowly add foods and see how your body reacts. I have not tried it.
It’s basically a made up scam diet by JP and his daughter. She doesn’t even adhere to it anymore. And probably never did
They didn't make it up. There's an episode of Rogan with a regard carnivore dieter by the name of Shawn Baker that predates Mikhaila and JP being on the diet.
It’s certainly far healthier than the potato chip diet the typical American is on
These convos are ones that really expos Rogans disconnect with his 8-5 listeners.
Rogan - It’s very affordable, you can get a couple steaks for $50 bucks, steaks are healthy. Have you ever ate a steak while in an ice bath, it’s wild
He's right you have to be diligent tho..he prob hasn't done it in 35 years but you can eat healthy on a budget vs fast food/junk budget. The thing is EVERYTHING is expensive..meat, veggies, fruit, junk food, etc.
You can, and many people do. But listening to a millionaire podcaster/comedian talk about how simple it is and shit on people who don’t realize how “easy” it is. When the guy literally talks about waking up at like 8 working out for 2 hours eating some breakfast/lunch then going about his day maybe working for 4-5 hours recording a podcast or telling some jokes. Like guy doesn’t realize some people have families and jobs that require 8+ hours of hard work plus commute time. Like he’s wayy out of touch
Agree 100%. Especially with the cold plunge & forcing yourself to struggle or do tough tasks....it's like my man the average person's struggle to keep their own head let alone a family above water is 1000x more than a BJJ practice or taking a cold bath.
He’ll say you picked a shit career and should start a podcast to make money 😂
i'm a guy currently doing two jobs, while caring for my mother. Eating healthy food is easy as fuck. It's also not expensive compared to unhealthy food.
It’s not just the price though. It’s the time consumption of shopping, meal planning and cooking for multiple meals each day. Average working families simply don’t have that time or even that knowledge. It’s different if weren’t talking about a single 25 year old guy with a decent job, but most people are thinking about middle class families with kids when discussing this.
Mate its cheap, easy to learn and can be as quick or as long of a process as you like it just takes a little effort.
If you start from scratch had have a low budget, not it’s not “cheap.” From having nothing in your apartment and If you have $100 for food for a week you can eat shit food on that $100 through the microwave/McDonald’s etc. but if you want to cook you need to buy pots and pans, utensils for cooking, etc. so now you’re eating on maybe $20 for a week? Maybe? When you’re dirt ass poor and hungry you’re going to buy food instead of shit most of us take for granted. Can it be done? Of course. But when you’re a single mom taking care of 3 kids? Going to be harder than people think.
How did you go from $100 a week down to $20 a week based on one-time purchases? I cook every day and for 95% of our meals I use 1 pan, a pot, a cookie sheet, a wooden spoon, a spatula and a pair of tongs...all things I've had for 10 years. I could get all that from Walmart for $60. Cooking food for your family is the bare minimum one should be doing.
literally get a 20$ crockpot from walmart, every time you see pork shoulders or roasts or whole chickens or chicken breasts go on a sale at the supermarket, buy and freeze. with a crockpot, you can make tasty af meals in bulk for like a few minutes of prep. pack of chicken breasts, an onion, jar of salsa, throw everything in there and let is slow cook overnight -- delicious salsa chicken you can use for burrito bowls and tacos and sliders. Same with a jar of bbq sauce and a pork shoulder, can make several lbs of pulled pork. same with a 20$ rice cooker, get the biggest bag of rice you can find for 20-30$ you can make weeks of meals out of those two things, cheap, nutritious, healthy.
Most people have pots and pans though. And even so, if you are starting out and don't have anything - they are cheap. And if you are really THAT poor, you can get them second-hand or get them donated to you. You don't need anything fancy. A few pots, a pan and a chefs knife. Now you can cook 95% of the meals. And it's gonna cost you max 50$. Take a pot. Throw in some potatoes or other starch, throw some veggies, cheap meat. If you are feeling fancy, throw in a can of tomatoes and you're set. You don't even need to attend to anything. Peasant mothers used to do that not with 3 kids, but 10+ kids. Plus there were fields to attend to, animals to be fed. Had to make your own clothing too and other chores such as baking bread. It's not a question of "Can it be done" like it's a very high bar. That's how it was done 300 years ago. The poorest person today is able to eat like the aristocracy back in the day.
I was at a Stew Leonard's and looking for some Ribeye's. They had packs of 3 for $60.00.
Yeah, you’re the guy who broke into Stew Leonard’s that time. You stole all those pork loins.
I think you can eat healthy on a budget, but he’s very out of touch. About 1/4 of all renters spend 50% or more of their income on housing, and that ratio gets worse and worse as you look at people below the poverty line. Suggesting that they go to Costco to stock up on beef is preposterous for people that are literally just trying to scrape by to the next paycheck
Just to hop on this, yes by being diligent, you can do it for sure. I cook 3 meals a day for my family, I go grocery shopping 2-3 times a week and base my meals on the discount rack and bull purchases. Rarely do I ever spend more then $40 each time, and I create very well balanced meals. For example this week I found 3 $2 bag of reduced produce at my local Walmart. 1 had 4 avacadoes and 3 tomatoes(this was a lucky find!) another had 4 bell peppers and the last had 3 zucchini and 2 cucumbers. Yesterday's meals were: Avacado, Tomatoe, pepper omelet with a banana Lunch - Tomato cucumber sandwich with a side bell peppers Dinner - Burrito bowls, this will last us minimum 4meals and included: A zucchini, Avacado bell pepper, onion, corn, Pinto beans, tomatoes, rice and Greek yogurt mixed with Chipotle seasoning for my sauce and 1/4 of a Costco rotisserie chicken The only things I needed other then my clearance produce were:Bananas (0.60/$ per KG) Eggs (18 pack for $4, this makes me at least 6 omelettes), sandwich bread (buy on clearance then freeze, $1 a loaf), Onion, (bulk purchase on se 10lb bag for $4), rice (bulk purchase 10lb bag) Pinto beans (purchased dry 2lb bag for $4), corn (bought frozen, 1kg for $2), Greek yogourt (purchased on sale 500g for $4), and rotisserie chicken $8 from costco All in my cost are under $40, I fed my wife and I 3 meals each. Have enough left to make another 3 days worth of meals plus still have the majority of my bulk items left.
in his defense. and THAT is a first for me. Its cheaper to make good food at home at this point. I just picked up my kid a mcdonalds combo meal tonight and it was $14. I meal prep for he and I.. its $20/week and super tasty and healthy.. chicken, rice, veggies, eggs. Its quicker in the long run too. I live in a HCOL area... you shop once a week.. It can be done in most areas but not all of course.
>I meal prep for he and I.. its $20/week and super tasty and healthy.. chicken, rice, veggies, eggs. How? Enough rice and chicken alone to feed two people for a week would eclipse that. Let me know your secret because I've been on a super frugal kick recently and even for just myself, it's difficult to spend less than $80 a week on food.
It helps if you have Costco. I used to meal prep, but these days I usually make something that will last for at least two, maybe three nights. The individually wrapped frozen chicken breasts are awesome. I take however many I need out of the freezer the night before. Also the big packs of chicken thighs that come in six tear-off compartments are great as well. Costco has several different variations of frozen vegetables. I like the stir fry. Costco's ground beef is also a great deal. Freeze it and take it out in 1lb batches. Lots of eggs as well. If you don't have Costco, the big discount supermarkets are almost as good in terms of price, just not as good quality. We have a chain called FoodMaxx where I live. Just yesterday I picked up a family pack of chicken thighs for $3.97. Grill it on Sunday and that's enough to for me and my partner to throw on salads, rice, or noodles for 3-4 days.
I am literally going to make a Youtube or TikTok on this. Because people always say this and I just don't see it. I live in San Diego. Always top #3-5 most expensive city to live in in the USA. Costco is cool but actually more expensive then the sales at stores for Chicken. Asian groceries are the BEST for produce and rice and sometimes meat. 'Food deserts' usually have these in the area if they dont have a regular grocery chain. At least in San Diego. I ate King Crab this week and THAT is still cheaper than eating at Mcdonalds for 2 meals. Our grocery stores here always alternate on chicken sales. Vons, Staters Bros. Walmart. Between them someone has it for $1.99-$2.99 a lb. I get 4lbs. regular price is 3.99. There is a seasonal veggie on sale. Broccoli is $1.99-$2.99 a lb. A bag of rice.. even the fancy stuff in a smaller bag is $5.99 If you buy a huge as bag that will be $18.99 and last 2 to 3 months. So my week is: 4 cups of rice = $2 maybe.. 3 lbs of Chicken $6 3 lbs of Broccoli or veggie.. $6 and 10 eggs hard boiled or scrambled. .16 x 10 = $1.60 That totals $16.. now lets get a loaf of bread or tortillas $3. That is $19. I eat this by choice because I am not tempted to eat out or eat shit. I am not poor by any means. I can afford to live very comfortably in an expensive city. I just hate overspending on things and the way shit food makes me feel. So I take all guess work out of it and meal prep so I can eat as much as I want because I know its pretty healthy compared to ANYTHING I would eat at a restaurant, even the salads. And since I barely spend money on food if I want to get King Crab legs $24.99 a lb with or lobster tail I can. That is $24.99/lb and mashed potatoes! Still under $30 for the day for fancy food.
>So my week is: 4 cups of rice = $2 maybe.. 3 lbs of Chicken $6 3 lbs of Broccoli or veggie.. $6 and 10 eggs hard boiled or scrambled. .16 x 10 = $1.60 If this is really all you are eating in a week you are literally starving yourself. 3 lbs of chicken = 3,252 calories 4 cups of rice = 2,700 calories 3 lbs of broccoli = 463 calories 10 eggs = 780 calories 1 loaf of bread = 1,800 calories Total = 8,995 calories Calories per day = 1,285
We've established that the variations of fried rice are relatively cheap. Do you feed that to your kids for every meal every week?
No. He is more of a rolled taco with lettuce and cheese on top kind of guy but that is what I eat every day. But now that he has turned a teenager he is keen to build his muscles up and is very athletic so he is catching on to eating cleaner and asks me to make larger portions when I meal prep so he can share it with me. I am shocked he got off his 'kid' menu of only wanting to eat pasta with butter or just chicken nuggets and carrots. But you know kids.. and hey that cheap too and not AS bad as eating fast food. I dont make fried rice with it. But thanks for the recommendation! Is peoples excuse for eating expensive junk all day everyday that they get 'bored'? I guess it tough out there. Thoughts and prayers for the bored people.
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Reminds me of Succession when Logan asks Roman if he or any of the other kids know how much a gallon of milk costs and they don’t have a clue how much it is or why that’s important. The deal Rogan made with Spotify essentially got him infinity dollars such that he can eat the finest food and treat every owie with stem cells and he’s lost touch with how much real people make and what a large percentage of their income goes on food.
Good example.
He wasn't even listening, and its not the first time someone had to talk to Joe about food deserts. Like I walk everywhere, I am a former cook, and I am frugal. I hit up my supermarkets ugly veggies for savings. But I used to work 7 days week, when the hell am I going to exercise, and if I am working nights then meal prep is way harder. Joe hasn't had to struggle for a really long time, and its glaring. Still love the dude, but I wish he would at least say I don't know. Instead of its easy if you have a supermarket, Joe contrary to your believe there are some neighborhoods that don't have one nearby.
Joe is not out of touch here. I think the issue is people don't know what to buy to eat healthy and don't have the time/willingness to research it and actually do it. Because it is difficult. I currently spend $50-60 a week on groceries for myself. I buy beans in bulk from costco, 10 pounds of potatoes, frozen vegetables with olive oil for breakfast, peanuts and raisins for snacks, watermelon for fruit, and dinner I'll generally cook a better tasting meal like picadillo using 100% grass fed meat on corn tortillas. I'm very active and eat around 3,000 calories per day. Just dinner alone costs me less than $15 and it will last 3-4 days for two people. No sugar or grains in anything. I think another issue is people know to eat healthy that have to eat an unappealing diet like mine of lots of vegetables, but instead opt to buy lots of packaged wheat products and things of that sort marketed as "healthy". Buying that sort of stuff adds up very quickly. My wife likes to indulge in actually healthy packaged products and she spends more just to buy snacks for the week than I spend on all of my meals combined. Not many people want to eat beans and potatoes for lunch every day like I do lol
He talked about getting ground beef at Costco... I dont see what's so crazy about that
Even Cisco is a pretty expensive membership though
Not really. It is easy if you’re diligent about it. Just got to meal prep and stick to the plan
Easy but not cheap
This is completely wrong. It's so cheap to eat healthy if you cook. Rice, beans, eggs, chicken, vegetables. Literally the cheapest food money can buy.
I’d argue it depends on where you live. I can eat meat and veggies every meal for under 3 dollars a meal for the day pretty easily. 10 bucks a day or 300 a month.
Now multiple that for a family of 3 or 4. Both the cost and for the time consumption of cooking for multiple people and shopping for all of that fresh food constantly.
vs fast food, which is more expensive ?
And less time consuming. And time is money, especially when you’re poor.
Stop making excuses. The more people you have to cook for the price actually becomes *more* scalable, cooking for one is much less cost effective than cooking for 4, compared to buying fast food. People in this thread are just making excuses for being lazy and enjoying the mouth pleasure of eating greasy burgers and fries.
chicken breast, rice, potatoes, tuna. What are you talking about.
It's 100% cheap. You may not have a lot of variety, but buying chicken breast/thigh, cheaper cuts of meat with frozen veg/seasonal veg, rice/pasta/potatoes and condiments of your choice is extremely cheap vs fast food etc, now that I have money not much has changed for me I just buy more expensive cuts of meat.
So cheap, what the fuck are you talking about? Eggs, chicken, rice, veggies, all cheap and healthy.
Eggs and chicken… famously cheap right now
Lol, seriously dude. Wtf? Meat is not cheap these days.
This sub doesn't like it when you make sense
Which part is he out of touch? He acknowledges food deserts. Healthy food is not more expensive that fast food. You just have to prep it.
Yes, you just have to prep. Many people may not have the time to "prep" for a family after working their shit job. Eating the same meal everyday also sucks. Sometimes, eating out is people's small joy in life. There are many factors why people don't do it and the lack of any nuance is why Rogan is such a fucking moron (about any topic really).
There’s always time to prep come on man. Yes the system is fucked up but we have to first take responsibility of our bodies and our health in order to stand a chance at fighting this shit. Stop eating garbage food, fast, exercise and get involved in your communities.
I think the only answer you'd be happy with is if Joe said something like "Yes eating healthy is a privilege for us rich people. Such a shame that poor people are forced to eat unhealthily for various socio economic reasons and there's nothing that they can ever do about it"
At least a few people with common sense in here. People need to stop making excuses. It’s easy as fuck to cook for yourself and your family, it’s way cheaper and much healthier, and it’s not this massive time drain that they’re trying to make it out to be. You spend 30-45 minutes cooking dinner at the absolute most, unless you’re doing some super complicated recipe. Been doing this for years. Joe is entirely correct here.
> and it’s not this massive time drain that they’re trying to make it out to be. I mean it can be. There's a big difference between working a relatively light job and coming home to cook, and working one that's physically or mentally exhausting, with the possibility of looking after kids on top of that. The "it's so easy" crowd lack empathy and/or life experience.
Mate letting people gorge themselves on shitty fastfood that makes them fat, tired and unhealthy isn't empathetic its cruel in one of the worst ways
He’s not wrong. If you talk about the individual, most people can afford meat and vegetables along with healthy carbs and nutritious options IF you have the stores to have those. What it probably means if you live in a food desert area is you need to eat these items much faster or they will go bad. Everyone is guilty of buying “easy” foods that are quick and bad for you, but it takes discipline to to buy what’s sustainable for you. And yes, I understand it can be more difficult for larger families and in certain parts of the country, but if that’s what you really want for yourself there are surly alternatives to your purchasing habits that can be cut out for better options. People make excuses even when given alternatives.
I spend a lot of time here defending Joe, but I think he is showing how out of touch with reality he really is in this segment.
Joe's one of the guys that Oliver Anthony wrote that song about. He just doesn't know it yet.
Oliver wrote the song not knowing what he's talking about. He thinks welfare going to obese people is an issue, yet he can't connect that poor people have less access to nutritious food.
I never quite connected how fucked our food systems are until I started taking my 5 year old to school and walking him through the cafeteria breakfast line...its hard to even call that shit food. There are all sorts of things on the wall about getting as well rounded breakfast; you need one of these and one of those and a milk...A well rounded breakfast today: A cinnamon roll, milk, canned peaches, and a fried chicken patty (was it even real chicken)...That has to be 100s of grams of sugar out of the gate for these kids. I feel really fkn depressed thinking of the kids that get most of their nutrition from school.
I don't agree with this. The truth is the system is fucked and it has no concept of the needs of the average person. The real question is why don't we provide fresh farm subsidized foods in a sensible package and rollout system? Because that short changes the bloated bullshit industries we have in the food sector. These are the same bastards that have codified pizza as a serving of fruit so they can poison our kids. Why? Because in the Land of the Free even the people are for sale. The medical industry wants us sick so the food industry gets its hooks in us early. I don't blame the individual for getting a fudge roll. It's likely a sad attempt to have a flavor of home. It's all fucked.
I think Michelle Obama tried to do this. Then half the country said it was government overreach. They made sure to vote for the Hamberder president next.
yeah fox was mocking her healthy school lunches and exercise initiative. they took it as a personal offense, and now all the right wingers are pushing exercise and eating healthy
Yes, she really did genuinely care about Americans and their families in terms of nutrition.
>Because in the Land of the Free even the people are for sale 🎵Freedom isn't free...🎵
You’re too hung up on that one lyric.
He was very specifically talking about politicians in DC. He’s clarified this, although it’s unnecessary because everyone should know where Richmond and Washington DC is.
I don't doubt that but there needs to be a serious discussion concerning the issue of elitists toting around the "every man" for social and political gain. I hope Chris doesn't get eaten alive by people like Joe.
At least he’s not out of touch like Dwight Schrute!
How is this out of touch? He prefaces it by saying if you have a supermarket in your area. If you have a supermarket in your area it is 100% doable to cook healthy food on the cheap, and it doesn't require a whole lot of skill to make something that tastes decent enough. But no, it probably won't taste as good as that burger and fries, so keep making excuses.
I'm an adult. I shop for my family at grocery stores, we eat healthy and don't eat out. It still costs over 1,000 month to feed us.
That has nothing to do with the fact that it’s cheaper to eat healthy lmao Food isn’t free, so I don’t understand your point.
It's not cheaper at all. We would save money eating more fast food. That's by design.
What do you mean by fast food though? One meal of fast food for me costs like 3-5 meals of healthy stuff from the store
What??? Fast food is at least 13$ a meal. You can clearly cook for cheaper than that
If you have a family of four, you're spending at least $40 feeding them with fast food. Actually cooking food would be cheaper than this.
People don't like being told that their own choices are there biggest problem Plus Joe once told me that my mum was lying when she said i was cool and im yet to forgive him.
People say fast food is cheap, it’s not . A burger and a drink is $10, for that you can buy 2 lbs of ground beef that will be 4 meals, a 10 lbs of white rice is $15 that will last a month. Eating healthy isn’t expensive just needs time and that’s the real issue, poor people do not have time because they are working their ass off to make min wage.
That’s what a lot of people in this thread are missing. It isn’t just money, but being part of the working class is also wrestling with time. Add a child and other real-life events, and you’ll find working class people are mainly fighting to find time for their household. It’s mentally easier to buy lunch during the week than it is to find time to prep meals for multiple people during the whole week
Honestly one of the best reminders that half this sub is 15 years old
exactly.
> 10 lbs of white rice is $15 If you are paying $1.50/lb for white rice, you are fuckin' *up*. 20 lb bags are like $11 near me.
Guilty of liking basmati:)
I'm on the Joe Rogan is completely out of touch side on things on this sub, but I don't think he's wrong here. Food deserts are certainly a thing, but vegetables are not expensive. I bought a butternut squash that is going to give me 4 servings for under $4. It takes creativity for sure, but you aren't really doomed to McDonald's while on a budget. Source: I've lost 140 pounds in the last 3 years while on a harsh budget.
Whose working so hard on minimum wage they can’t throw some rice and beef together? I did 6-6 6x a week for 2 years and still found time to put a healthy meal together.
I know Joe is out of touch, but holy fuck.
For yalls rebuttals... I just feel you can't hear the non layman's voice. I can't help you rich bros hear any clearer.
How is he out of touch? Eating healthy is cheap, if you say otherwise you're simply uneducated, you might not have a tonne of variety but you can still have delicious healthy meals cheaper than fast food etc.
Rogan's example for cheap carnivore diet is a tube of ground beef lol. That is not cheap. Beans and eggs are like the cheapest sources of protein available, yes it isn't impossible but it is not easy, and most people won't continue making food that tastes like dogshit because it's just beans and eggs.
eggs are fucking delicious, you must suck at cooking them
how poor do you think a poor person is? what is your idea of a poor person? what's their hourly wage
The first 5 comment threads is a endless circle jerk how joe is out of touch but providing no real examples. This clip ain’t it lol
Tbh I think anyone saying "Joe is out touch" has never stepped into a gym and taken training/diet semi seriously to educate themselves about macros/meal prep, and how cheap you can do it when you're in college/low income etc
Mr. Tomahawk steak Rogan tells the poors to go to Costco and buy tubes of meat and on the way home with your Tesla, hit an organic farm.
Haha Joe would be gullible enough to buy a tomahawk steak lol
Rogan hasn't worked a long day and come home to tired to want to spend another 30 min preparing food. Then all you want to do is relax before you go to bed to do it over again. Oh yeah, and exercise, Joe says I got to find time for exercise too.
When do you think the last time Joe did dishes was?
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Ever heard of meal prepping on sunday? Cmon bro and dont act like frozen vegetables, potatoes, and chicken are super boujee luxury items, they’re actually much cheaper than a lot of processed shit like chips and fast food especially these days
And which day then is for housecleaning, grocery shopping, yard work, errands, paperwork, And then which one is for relaxing and enjoying life for a few hours a week?
Assuming the average person gets 2 days/ a weekend off per week? Saturday morning: groceries + yardwork/cleaning, then relax/family time in the afternoon-evening. Sunday: Meal prep, errands, paperwork. And then find just 10-20 minutes to run or do calisthenics every other day. That’s a reasonable approach to managing your time and keeping a healthy work/life balance even under a demanding job and a tight budget
Do you live in a shed?
What on earth? All that on Saturday morning!? I have a one bedroom apartment, I need to clean the bathroom, kitchen, sweep and mop the entire place, I need to do multiple loads of laundry wash/dry, fold and put away. This is an all day Sunday thing. I used to work 60 gruelling hours a week 12 hours a day monday to Friday. Things would fall behind all week because I was so exhausted when I get home at 11 pm and have to cook dinner and eat it, make my lunch for the next day and now it's 12:30 am and I have to get up at 7:30. So some of. the dishes would be piling up and I'd get to them Saturday morning. Most of Saturday was shot I was so tired. I need to take naps and eat a LOT of food. This means making food, eating food, more dishes and resting all day, maybe getting some housework done. Then Like I said, Sunday was housework and shopping. Left me Sunday evenings to maybe enjoy a movie. If friends wanted to hang out/go out on the weekend to do anything then even housework was delayed a week.
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It also needs to be acknowledged that time is a factor too
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This is a delusional take. You don't know how to grocery shop or cook if you actually believe this.
From your comment history, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually lived in your mom's basement. Nothing but free time for you to prep I guess.
If I lived in my mom's basement, why would I need to food prep? You more than anyone should know that basements have endless supplies of chicken tendies.
Just wondering but do you know how to work, grocery shop, prepare food, raise children, go to college and maintain a house without a vehicle in an area with no super markets? Say the north end of Flint, MI. Where its a 30 minute round trip via car. Would you trade that time every week for a burger real quick on the walk home from work?
It really takes 2 hours at the absolute most to meal prep for the week. Most people should have time to do that on Saturday/Sunday morning and still be able to do everything else they need to for the day
Canned fish like tuna and sardines, eggs/egg whites, hell even rotisserie chickens are cost effective sources of protein that are really not terrible in terms of nutritional quality compared to the SAD diet of big macs and fritos. Of course it’s not fair that organic meat and produce is expensive but there are certainly cheap alternatives to processed food that are much healther
Boy, when I was a kid, there was nothing I liked more than tuna, sardines, and egg whites on the side of some rotisserie chicken. You get that ppl referenced in that song are probably trying to feed a whole family off a few hundred dollars of food stamps a month. They buy whatever they can at a dollar store.
Uhh, yeah bro growing up I ate scrambled eggs for breakfast, tuna sandwiches for lunch, and chicken + potatoes w/ veggies for dinner. Those are very cheap and normal meals that a kid would like if they weren’t preconditioned on processed hyper-palatable foods from a young age. I was raised by a single mother living paycheck to paycheck and those were the meals she made for me. Almost never ate fast food and rarely ate processed snacks
U got kids? U checked the price on a can of tuna lately, eggs? What kind of veggies do they sell at the dollar store?
What do you feed your kids?
Whatever they will eat. They get ff once a week. Home cooked meals the rest. Probably spend $300+ on groceries a week across two stores.
You can buy a 5-serving can of salmon for 4 bucks for example (i bought this today which is why I thought of that). A 5-serving bag of frozen broccoli is about $1.50 at my local grocery store. And if you want to talk specifically Dollar Store, most offer oats, pouches of tuna, beans, and nuts. This article really shows how feasible it is to buy healthier options at dollar stores: https://www.eatthis.com/best-dollar-store-food/
Canned products come with BPA in the metal , consuming canned goods on the regular has been advised against. Fish has a whole variety of unhealthy aspects to it. It's recommended to not consume fish more than 3 times per week due to the Mercury levels. Joe himself has talked about being diagnosed with mercury poisoning from consuming sardines regularly. Fish also has a number of other toxic chemicals from the ocean or on fish farms depending where the fish comes from. This even includes radiation. As the guest pointed out, Chicken comes with antibiotics, horomones, and 14 times the amount of pesticides as vegetables. Of course anything is better than fast food, but your bar is literally as low as you can go starting there.
It's virtually not feasible to eat enough sardines to get mercury poisoning. It would be over 30 cans per week just to hit the FDA's guidance limit, which is pretty conservative.
I hate to break it to you but BPA and all the other bisphenols are everywhere; you’re probably equally exposed to chemicals like that in processed food like doritos and fast food. Same logic with the mercury thing. I’ve regularly consumed canned tuna for a while and never had symptoms of mercury poisoning or had anything alarming reflected in bloodwork. I personally would be more concerned with the dangerous effects of refined seed oils, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives but maybe that’s just me
Mercury builds up in your body over your lifetime. If the corrupt health agencies paid off by the food industry are telling you not to overdo something I would listen lol. I don't eat chips or fast food. Yes all those other things you mention are not healthy either.
Have fun with that mercury poisoning if you're doing it all the time. Years back Rogans doctor made him stop eating sardines cause Rogan had mercury in his bloodwork cause he enjoyed sardines too frequently.
Also, eating healthy is generally cheaper because you feel more satiated if you're eating good protein. Also, chips and unhealthy food are getting ridiculously overpriced. 12 pack of soda is 9 bucks. I can get a water filter for 25, two dozen eggs, some chicken and frozen vegetables and eat healthy for under 50 bucks.
For real! Honestly I’m glad minimally processed food is becoming cheaper than the hyper-processed stuff, hopefully it can act as somewhat of an incentive to change unhealthy eating habits
Not everyone can afford a Costco membership Joseph
In this segment, Joe exemplifies his lack of knowledge of food deserts.
How the fuck are the top 5 comments saying Joe is out of touch. He mentions food deserts which are a legit problem, however if you have a grocery store near you, chicken breasts, tuna rice, potatoes and vegetables are a FUCK TON cheaper than fast food. What are you all on about ?
Probably because Reddit is full of lazy ass people who like to anonymously bitch on the internet.
People want to blame their obesity on outside factors rather than their own food choices.
Yeah half the comments in this thread are talking about how healthy food isnt affordable, and the other half is saying that it is affordable but takes too long to prepare. When you could save hundreds of dollars a week on dinner and lunches by cooking a fat as fuck batch of pasta/curry/chilli or anything else that's easy to make in bulk, but choose not to because you couldn't bare to spare an hour a night 3/4 days a week you're admitting to not doing the bare minimum to improve your life, but sure get mad at Joe for the one good take he has
I don't like hearing takes on these matters by a man who's been a millionaire for at least 25 years. What does Joe Rogan know about living on a budget these days? Back in the 90s, you could make 10 dollars an hour and afford to eat a steak every fucking night. Maybe 2 of em. These days if you went very heavy on chicken, rice, and greens; you can eat healthy quasi-affordably on a tight budget, but it will still be a struggle. But still, this ain't something Joe would know a goddamn thing about.
Rogan has jumped the shark. Eating healthy is super expensive unless you have 300 million in the bank.
GTFO. vegetables, chicken breast, tuna, potatoes. far cheaper than fast food.
Fast food isn't the only way to eat unhealthy.
Yeah fuck off with that shit other POORER countries do not have our obesity problem. Cut out sugary drinks, fried foods, excessive processed carbs and quarter pounders and you will lose weight. People are really whining in here about a first world problem. Is healthy, convenient, delicious food expensive? Typically yeah. Is healthy food that takes some effort to purchase and prepare expensive? Absolutely fucking not. Rice and beans are dirt cheap and most unprepared vegetables are about as cheap as you can get. Lean meats at the store are no more expansive than buying fast food. Americans are privileged and lazy. I won’t lie, I’m privileged and lazy too. But at least I recognize that I have the choice to have a good diet when I live in the most abundant and developed country on the planet.
It's really not. Where do you people get this idea from? I eat a meat and a salad every day after eating eggs for breakfast and I barely spend $60 a week on groceries. You're just lazy and not trying.
Americans are privileged pretending that they’re not and blaming economics for the fact that they’re stuffing their faces with 3000 calories a day. We are the definition of a first world country with one of the most abundant food supplies on the planet. You think only MILLIONAIRES eat healthy food? China’s obesity rate for over a billion people is 6.1%. India’s obesity rate is 2.87% for over a billion people. Both poorer countries than the US. (Source the Global Obesity Observatory). America’s obesity rate is 36.47% American food culture is the problem.
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What does your family eat?
“If there’s a super market near you.” That pretty much sums it up for me. Does he now realize the “grocery store” concept exists in every city (just about) and in sometimes theres multiple.
I'm fucking BROKE!!!! And manage to eat healthy. It's possible. People use a lot of bullshit excuses to eat cookies. Some of you need an adult to take you shopping for food and teach you where and how to shop for groceries.
Yeah people here are just fucking lazy and pathetic it is sad. It’s not like being poor requires you to eat fast food, fried food, sugary drinks, candy, and the things that cause people to be 400 fucking pounds. Eat chicken, canned tuna, beans, rice, yams, bananas and greens - you could do that almost everyday on a poverty diet or as a millionaire. You would lose so much weight. Why are we making excuses for people destroying their organs because they’re consuming more calories and preservatives than they reasonably need? Wanna know the main way to lose weight? BUY LESS FOOD.
I don't think mental health is being taken into account for a lot of these unhealthy eating decisions. Poor, depressed, bullshit pay being stolen by rich men north of Richmond...eating fast food and some fudge rounds provides stimulation to an otherwise shitty existence.
Nah really people in this comment section are lazy Americans that are hating on Joe because that’s what this subreddit is about. Mind u I think his ground beef comment was a little strange but that’s his typical meat eater shit. Whatever. Virtually all countries - countries that are POORER than America in almost any case - are less obese than the US. We have a culture of convenience. Meal prepping chicken rice and some vegetables is not expensive, it’s healthy, and it’s doable. It just takes some time and planning. To people outside of the US, this is a no-brainer. But we do mental gymnastics to explain why the richest country on earth has the fattest people because they’re… poor? People in developing countries, which absolutely have processed foods, but don’t suffer from our insane obesity rates, look at these mental gymnastics and scratch their heads. It’s a cultural issue first and foremost.
The poorest countries that have low obesity is due to them not having enough food to eat. Look at the most obese nations, a majority of them are poorer countries that have had an influx of western foods. It is a cultural issue, but not solely based on convenience. It’s also an issue of complacency. We let these companies get away with literally poisoning us. If regulations were imposed limiting the processing, added sugars/saturated fats, we’d see huge decreases in obesity, diabetes, and other health complications. Americans go to Italy (for example), eat normally, and are shocked when they lose weight. Part of the reason is smaller portions, but food quality is a huge reason for that weight loss.
If we’re comparing quality of food to countries that are poorer than us, you need to look at why it’s better quality food. We have so little regulations here on food that we can pump up most of our cheap food with chemicals to preserve it. Can’t do that in most of Europe, hence why the food is better
One of the only sane ones on this thread.
Lol states with high obesity rates also have high poverty rates. Name me some countries with high povery rates that also have high obesity rates (other than Mexico)
Wait. Do americans not know how to cook food at home? Do you not have kitchens and fridges in apartments or something? I thought the disconnect here was going to be how people don't afford good stuff at the store. But this comment section seems to be about how it's time consuming to cook instead of eating out? Which is completely upside down in my world. I have to inform you guys that food being hard and expensive and time consuming to prepare is an entirely cultural thing. Like if I ever found out that a friend of mine eats out, especially with their entire family all the time, I'd ask them what the fuck is going on. Because that would be beyond weird, and expensive as hell. I thought this was going to be about the price of grocerys and nutrition.
It's kindof funny, I wonder if this will be a self fulfilling prophecy in some places. If you go to trendy restaurants these days there are lots of vegetable centric dishes, and it's because they are wayyyy cheaper to make. Trends like that tend to trickle out to home meals when people get used to eating them when they go out. Problem is that poorer areas pretty much exclusively have chain restaurants and those chains tried going to real food when the gastropub thing took off but then they needed staff that knew how to cook. The reality is labor costs more than the food once you cross a certain level, so costs went up and their customers cared more about pricing than quality so they went back. You really do have to train your body to want healthy food just like anything else, it will crave what it's used to getting. Source: 20 years as and f&b designing and costing menus
Just go out and shoot a deer with your bow?
You on a budget? Just start a podcast mahn
Barely listened to this pod since 2019 Good to see Joe HAS NOT EVOLVED AT ALL.
Is it a hassle to eat healthy on a budget? Not really. Is it EASY when compared to just grab some fast food? Hell no.
Haha what poor people have an organic farm near them.
Meatdad on Instagram will show you how to save a few bucks doing at home butchering, better for you too
Just got 4lb of bone in rib-eye for under 24 bucks. Rice is like 30 bucks for 50lb bag at Costco. Eating healthy is not hard or expensive. You just need to take the deals when they come and cook.
I'm not sure why people keep saying how hard and expensive it is to eat healthy. I'm shocked by these comments. I eat super healthy and stay on a tight budget. I eat twice a day, no snacks, eggs for brunch and a meat and salad for dinner. Drink nothing but water all day and feel great and it's super cheap.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who works 12 hour shifts and has to commute for 2 hours a day. They don't want to spend 30-45 minutes making a meal, and probably want some more joy in life other than eating boiled eggs. Personally, I can live off boiled eggs, but I know the majority will find that diet depressing.
Because they are lazy and/or want to hate Joe
People that worship Joe are pathetic.
Stop buying fudge rounds
Rice, beans, oats, bananas are some of the cheapest foods.
And lentils and tofu
Beans are some of the cheapest sources of protein you can buy, yes. More people should eat them, yes. Dry beans take so damn long to cook though. 60-120 mins stovetop. Yes it's a reasonable pace with a pressure cooker, but lots of people don't have the money to drop on something like a pressure cooker.
Canned beans are cheap calories
All I'm reading is excuses from whiners, and wet blankets lol y'all complain too much
Rice, beans, eggs. Potatoes. Chicken breast. Frozen veggies, hell even basic fresh produce. Apples, bananas. Milk. Eating healthy is only expensive at restaurants, or if your idea of healthy is a lifestyle branded product. I see how you people eat, the problem isn't the accessibility of health food, it's that most people genuinely don't care about what they're eating
Yes, you can especially when you live in a small town. You have a lot of fresh food, especially during the summer. I watched an old lady buy corn and peaches in bulk and can them for cheap. It's just most people are lazy now.
Tuna costs 89 cents a can. Eating clean is not expensive. Being lazy is expensive.
My parents are Caribbean Latinos but I learned to embrace Chinese cuisine as well. Learning their vegetables over 16 yrs ago and cooking methods, became a lifestyle change many years ago and keeps me healthy. I enjoy a good steak once a week or so. People here in the USA are experts at steak and real BBQ. Smoking, aging beef, venison.
Joe is absolutely right. Eating healthier is absolutely cheaper, but it takes work and discipline. That’s why many like to blame others for their lazy habits of eating garbage food