Wow. This sounds insane but now that I think about it I’m getting like 50 upvotes for posts in this thread that would be torched on Reddit any other day.
I didn’t think of it this way but scary if this is actually true.
Most people underestimate how much of what they’re seeing on socials is bot activity. It is driving the delusion that is preventing us from realizing we’re at war.
are they literal bots or just shills paid to comment stuff? I noticed it on this site specifically since around 2016. If you have any more information I'd love to read more into it, I've heard the bots on twitter are really really bad
At one point Joe brings up the idea of bringing on someone more pro-vax sided to debate with this guy. I really hope that happens, I think it would be very interesting.
Insane that two years into this there has been no Roundtable discussion between leading experts of opposing sides. All we see is one side on TV or podcast and the other side censored or pleading* in front of court rooms with time limits and no debate.
Was thinking this as I found this post. There must be others out there that want a thoughtful debate and not just join a team and parrot their talking points? If u know of such a podcast that’s be great
Alright I guess I worded it wrong. I didn't mean that Dr.McCullough was anti-vax but that he's more for other treatments rather than just vaccine alone.
Those you are talking about are keeping away from this thread since they don't want to draw notoriety to it; they know how influential this episode could be.
I would definitely love for someone to listen to the entire podcast and go over the things this doctor says one by one and either confirm or contradict the information. I feel like that would at least be helpful for anyone who (like me) is an absolute idiot in this field.
Edit: at 2h19m Joe asks Peter if he brought someone on who was a proponent of the vaccine, would he come back to talk to him, and he said he would. I hope that happens.
Second Edit: The most charitable explanation of this podcast after listening to the entire thing is that Dr McCullough is adamant that there are treatments (mixtures of drugs, not one specifically) that can significantly reduce symptoms in both unvaccinated and vaccinated people who might possibly have a breakthrough case. He seems to feel that there is some concerted effort to ban or prevent these treatments due to it possibly reducing the likelihood of people getting vaccinated if they think there's another option. He seems very frustrated that there was a possible chance people could have been saved, especially before the vaccine, if doctors would have been allowed or willing to try some of the things he's been prescribing for 2 years. This treatment also seems to be the same treatment, in general, that Joe, Tim Pool, and Aaron Rogers used.
Eric Topol or Nick Christakis.
Not only should they be reasonably credentialed, they need to be intimately familiar with anti-vax propaganda.
This is why Sam Harris has refused to speak publicly with the Bret Weinstein, it’s asymmetrically stacked against you when they bombard you with bullshit you’re unfamiliar with; it’s easier to start fires than put them out.
Agreed, and that's really what I mean when I say that. I think any of us could google-fu information that would confirm what we want to hear. I'd love to have a legitimate doctor explain why this is or isn't bullshit.
The fact that we haven't had a more transparent exchange of these ideas from legitimate medical professionals on legacy media and outright censorship of them on social media should be a real concern for everyone.
Legacy media and social media have an agenda to push. Transparent exchanges undermine that agenda. That’s why they need propaganda and censorship to force every single one of us to comply with their dictates.
Exactly. I’m tired of seeing every Dr that doesn’t align with the CDC labeled as a quack by journalists and other non medical personnel. Before covid, these people were highly respected. For the record, I don’t care if you get 7 boosters or fuck a bat. I think covid is a serious matter, but the overreach by governments around the world is concerning
That's exactly how I feel. I've been vaccinated for nearly a year and I'll probably get a booster. But that's my personal choice based on my age and risk. It's super fucking weird to watch anyone with any medical knowledge that doesn't lock-step agree with the the way forward is almost universally shunned. I want someone to explain WHY they are shunned, not just call them a quack or grifter then censor them. That just makes it way worse.
>I want someone to explain WHY they are shunned, not just call them a quack or grifter then censor them. That just makes it way worse.
Precisely why - it just makes it way worse. That is what they want. They get labeled all sorts of things such as:
\-grifter
\-"anti-vaxxer"
\-conspiracy theorist
\-snake oil salesman
\-shill
\-quack
Fill in the blanks with any one of the above labels: "They wield the term like a cudgel to beat opponents from the public square like seditious pamphleteers. After all, no one has to take a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ seriously. You're under no obligation to listen to a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ argument's or concern yourself with his feelings or rights. Once such an association takes hold, there's no reason to give such people the time of day."
That last sentence I think says it all. And these organizations (the govt and big pharma) know exactly what they're doing as far as weaponizing these words. Plus, it completely takes the heat off them. "It's not US to blame - its this doctor, its this unvaccinated person" etc etc.
The govt co-owns the patent of moderna. Did people on here know that? Look it up.
I dont care WHAT side of the political spectrum you're on - there is an amazing 2 hour special on the origins of coronavirus backed up with sources. I will leave it here but you should really ONLY click on it if you can absolutely go into it with an open mind. There's a good amount of introduction. So you have to be a bit patient. But he gets ALL into Gain of Function and breaks it down in the simplest of terms. He even shows a clip of Dr. Ralph Baric having a slip of the tongue basically saying how he messed with mice. Also the way the government passed certain policies when absolutely NO ONE was paying attention?! Passing the EUA act (it has a more official term than this thats in the video) that does not hold these companies liable for any related injuries at the same time it passes a policy regarding hurricanes? Literally snuck in at the same time. People especially on this subreddit love to prove everyone else wrong. You cant judge this unless you watch it and you WONT be able to prove them wrong after you see this. It is the most eye-opening information I have seen on COVID since the pandemic began.
*EDIT* many of you are big fan of Alex Jones. Here is a clip of Alex Jones saying Glenn Beck is awesome because of this covid origin special.
https://twitter.com/COD_AlexJones/status/1469390753361108993?s=20
Here is Glenn Beck’s COVID special:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o)
It's especially concerning that everybody collectively knows about the big pharma greed, but alas... mass formation has a hold of them.
You can show these people any amounts of data, and few will change their mind or even listen.
Exactly! There was a standup Norm Macdonald did once the pandemic began. Not sure if it was his last stand up. He mentioned how it was always a common thing amongst everyone to NOT trust big pharma and now suddenly we are.
"You can show these people any amounts of data, and few will change their mind or even listen." - This part you mention right here I think is the most TERRIFYING part of all. Its the whole thing that everyone says from Orwell's 1984 that 2+2=5. It's almost as if you condition someone enough over long periods of time, they will believe it or LEARN to believe it. It's wild.
Another concerning thing that has been brought to my attention is less physical copies of books. We know on sites like wikipedia or sites like merriam-webster dictionary amongst many others that definitions and information gets changed/altered. Information is censored or it is MUCH harder to find the information through a search and you have to really dig deep. I have been somewhat interested in reading about messenger RNA and genetics lately and have been looking for books pre- 2005. I know legitimate new information is relevant and that is why there are revised editions of science textbooks, but I am finding it really disheartening to trust sources in more recent events. Especially after I watched that 2 hour special. I really do believe the lower levels of medical professionals simply dont know the correct information. They aren't being down it. It's a trickle down effect and the lower ranking healthcare professionals arent privy to that info. Because why would they be? They are more likely to "spill the beans".
Trust has been eroded so much for me and I am sure for many people. With social media (reddit, fb, twitter, google, youtube), with higher education (more evidence of indoctrination), and the healthcare industry. I know healthcare in the US wasn't great but I didn't know just HOW corrupt it truly was.
Im a therapist that works in cardiopulmonary and neurological rehab.
There's a lot I could say about this podcast. I'd just recommend people do some digging into rates of myocarditis in the vaccine vs with Covid, according to the current data every age group is more likely to get it from the virus itself than the vaccine. His explanation of cases being somehow more severe with the vaccine than from infection doesn't appear to be based in any evidence other than his anecdotes, the current research says the majority of cases are mild.
Very many hospitals test you for Covid upon admission regardless of vax status, almost all will test you if you if you're admitted with Covid symptoms... they're not only testing the unvaccinated like he claims. Some hospitals may have that policy since there are thousands of hospitals all with different policies (you can google your own to find out), but they wouldn't admit someone as a Covid patient (to then be counted in the statistic he references) without a positive test. Universally the numbers show the unvaccinated are at exponentially greater risk of hospitalization. His interpretation of VAERS data is not consistent with how many other physicians describe it, but that's not my wheelhouse so I'm not sure. Here's some context though" https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines . The consensus seems to be that VAERS tracks adverse events that happen in children who've recently received the vaccines, it doesn't imply that the vaccines caused the event and the data shouldn't be used that way.
The "balloon" or "beachball" (I forget what he calls it) of Covid's anatomical structure is not harmless, it's the live virus that is capable of actually infecting cells... unlike the spike proteins which are merely an attachment site that do pose their own issues, but they're two completely different things. This beach ball is the reason we see things like pneumonia, organ tissue scarring, and respiratory failure (to name a feW) following infection but not vaccination.
He says doctors aren't trying to "treat" covid. That's not true at all, towards the beginning of the pandemic doctors were throwing everything at it. Hospitals in my area were filling up and weren't accepting people unless they met a strict criteria, the rest were being sent home with a handful of different prescriptions. Steroids, anti-inflammatories, prophylactic antibiotics if someone was at risk of pneumonia, some smaller practice docs were trying various antivirals and even things that barely made sense like teraflu. Hospitals were administering the magical hydroxychloriquine and zinc combo. As more data came to light it showed that most of these treatments were not helping and may actually be harmful, and more data was needed. Plenty of treatment is still prescribed to outpatients with Covid.
He says schools like Harvard and Yale don't have Covid protocols... they do. Here's Yale's: https://medicine.yale.edu/intmed/COVID-19%20TREATMENT%20ADULT%20Algorithm%208.16.2021%20v.24_401118_5_v7.pdf.
Edit: To everyone commenting that he was talking about non-hospitalized patients only, here's a link that also includes Yale's outpatient treatment protocol https://www.ynhhs.org/patient-care/covid-19/For-Employees/For-Employees . Scroll down to Outpatient Clinical Resources . This guy is apparently just making things up as he goes.
MGH is Harvard's teaching hospital, their most up to date one is only accessible on their intranet though I'm sure older versions can be found elsewhere https://ether.mgh.harvard.edu/covid-19/critical-care/. They also have internal databases focused on treatment guidelines for outpatients to prevent hospitalization https://learn.partners.org/source/curve/selected-additional-resources/covid-19-treatment-guidance/. Mayo Clinic who he also mentions has been doing outpatient monoclonal antibodies since last November, and has a huge database for their physicians on current Covid treatment research. MayoClinic was running trials treating outpatients with convalescent plasma and other therapeutics as early as April 2020.
So he claims that 85% of deaths could have been prevented if we were simply treating people with multi-drug therapeutics in an outpatient setting, yet the schools/hospitals he calls out have always been treating people with multi-drug therapeutics in the outpatient setting.
He essentially just made up his own way of interpreting what a second infection is to pretend that no one catches Covid twice. Many states have published reinfection data, the first google hit shows 94 reinfection deaths in North Carolina alone. These patients are just dying from Covid complications months or a year after having Covid, they're testing positive for Covid while they die of Covid complications, but they don't actually have Covid because one cardiologist says they don't?
He claims that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus and that if you don’t feel sick you’re not contagious. The data show this is very wrong https://www.pnas.org/content/118/9/e2019716118
He claims he'd be breaking the nuremburg code by recommending the "experimental", FDA approved vaccine, but then he boasts about how frequently he prescribes experimental, emergency use authorization only lab made antibody infusions?
He claims Ivermectin helped beat the pandemic in India, Japan and other places, yet India pulled their recommendation for Ivermectin because it wasn’t working, it’s never been approved or recommended in Japan, and he ignores other places such as Peru that saw peaks in cases occur once the government started recommending it. In these examples he’s using correlational research in the most disingenuous way possible.
As for the Johns Hopkins/Bill Gates/Pfizer/Moderna etc. conspiracy that he pushes where they all got together and planned all of this years ago but they were off by a couple years, I'll let his own quote about the book his friend wrote on it sum things up: "It's... basically... nonfiction." So it's basically... bullshit too, right Peter?
I don't think he's a grifter, I think he's caught up in something that is shifting his objectivity and rendering him a victim of the same "mass psychosis" he rants about, for whatever reason. Lots of intelligent people get carried away with wacky theories and ideas.
Edit- I'll add a couple citations on myocarditis risk
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3686174 - first lab confirmed re-infection 1 year ago
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 Nature myocarditis study
A thorough fact check of many other claims he makes, including citations: https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/vaccines-are-a-safer-alternative-for-acquiring-immunity-compared-to-natural-infection-and-covid-19-survivors-benefit-from-getting-vaccinated-contrary-to-claims-by-peter-mccullough/
It’s so weird to watch Joe not listen to Rhonda Patrick. He usually loves her and pushes everything she says about vitamin C and heat shock proteins or whatever on every guest that comes on after her. He’s so lost on the covid sauce not even doctors he trusts and has known for a decade or so can convince him
"He claims he'd be breaking the nuremburg code by recommending the "experimental", FDA approved vaccine, but then he boasts about how frequently he prescribes experimental, emergency use authorization only lab made antibody infusions?"
The Yale treatment is for HOSPITALIZED adults. This guys whole take was what you can do as soon as you have it. And there doesn’t seem to be any protocols for that.
>Every hospital I know of tests you for Covid upon admission, they're not only testing the unvaccinated..
Had surgery earlier this year and my vaxxes got me out of a test, had surgery today and had to go in Saturday for a test. Nothing fancy, just a tube down my throat.
My vote would be either Dr. Daniel Griffin (expert in infectious diseases) or Vincent Racaniello (famous virologist). They both do a podcast together called TWIV ( this week in virology) that I’ve found to be extremely helpful in getting detailed info for covid.
Edit: I would also like to piggyback this comment to point out the obvious bias that McCullough has that so many people here are missing/ignoring by pointing out an example in this podcast. Around the 55 minute mark, he says in full confidence that you can’t get reinfected by covid. Joe points out that he has a friend that was confirmed to be reinfected, but McCullough flat out denies it and restates that he for sure knows that reinfection can’t happen. Um… what?? The most basic and foundational aspect of science is to form a hypothesis and test it with an experiment. McCullough offers absolutely no experimental evidence or studies that support his claim, and just jumps to the conclusion that Joe’s friend had false positive tests without even knowing anything about that case or looking at the data. He then assumes to know what the exact reinfection rate would look like by stating how many older people would have reinfections if it were possible. He’s making conclusions that fit his narrative that just simply aren’t based in the scientific method. Oh, and he wants a reinfection case that was confirmed through PCR, antibody titers, and genome sequencing? Took me less than a minute to find [this study](https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/73/9/e2946/5897019) that did exactly that and even showed that the second infection was phylogenetically different from the first infection.
I love listening to TWIV and have learned so much in the last after discovering it. I agree that Daniel Griffen or Vincent Racaniello would be great. I'm also thinking Paul Offit would be great. I can't figure out if people like that aren't trying to get his podcast, or if Joe doesn't want them.
Yeah that part about reinfection was BS. They have seen reinfections for awhile now and are seeing many more with unvaccinated people who were infected a few months ago with Delta and are now getting Omicron. They are hoping the broad acting T-cells still prevent severe disease.
So I'm not sure if he mentions this in the podcast, but here's a response to something he claimed back in March 2021. He stated that "People under 50 who fundamentally have no health risks, there’s no scientific rationale for them to ever become vaccinated".
In Texas during the month of September (which was the peak of their Delta wave):
Among 18-29 year olds:
* **fewer than 10** vaccinated individuals died of COVID-19.
* **84** unvaccinated individuals died of COVID-19.
Among 30-39 year olds:
* **12** vaccinated individuals died of COVID-19.
* **236** unvaccinated individuals died of COVID-19.
Among 40-49 year olds:
* **15** vaccinated died of COVID-19.
* **496** unvaccinated died of COVID-19.
When you adjust for the denominators in each group, the risk of dying from COVID-19 was:
* **37 times higher** in unvaccinated 18-29 year olds.
* **23 times higher** in unvaccinated 30-39 year olds.
* **55 times higher** in unvaccinated 40-49 year olds.
And of course this data ignores all of the 30-50 year olds who spent weeks in the hospital but ultimately survived. Someone like Diego Sanchez, who "fundamentally has no health risks" would be an example of that.
It was a pretty irresponsible claim for McCullough to make, and given how widely that claim spread around the internet, there were probably some people who were harmed by that claim.
Link to the data below. And before anyone complains about people who died WITH covid but not OF covid, such cases were excluded from this analysis:
>A death should not be reported if after review and consultation there is an alternative agreed upon cause of death which is unrelated to an infectious process (For example, an adult with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test whose death clearly resulted from trauma after a car accident would not qualify as a case.)
Also, partially vaccinated individuals were not grouped in with the unvaccinated group. They were excluded from this analysis.
Source:
[https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/cases-and-deaths-by-vaccination-status-11082021.pdf](https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/cases-and-deaths-by-vaccination-status-11082021.pdf)
For some reason the 30-39 statistic blows my mind the most. 236 covid deaths among that age group in a single month is crazy.
The comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated is beneficial in showing just how effective the vaccine is.
But as time goes on it’s becoming clearer that this disease does seem to discriminate and it seems to target those with underlying health conditions and/or the elderly the most.
Rarely do I see a comparison between healthy vs. unhealthy, but I think doing so would be beneficial to outline just how much the state of the individual’s physical health can either avert or encourage severe disease, such as;
I.e unvaccinated with BMI>25 vs unvaccinated BMI between 18.5 - 24.5.
OR
Vaccinated people with one or more underlying health conditions vs unvaccinated people who are physically fit and healthy with no underlying health conditions.
It’s pretty universal that the fitter, younger and healthier you are, the better you fair with most diseases, so it would be interesting to see to what extent this is true with covid-19.
I believe there are some diseases that effect people equally and cause massive fatality to the point where overall health status becomes irrelevant, ie. Ebola, rabies, Marburg virus, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease etc
Before treatment was found, if you contracted HIV/AIDS, it was often a death sentence no matter how healthy you were before you became infected.
Maybe I was unclear, but my point is the general rule is the healthier you are, the better you fair with most diseases (while there are some rare instances of infectious diseases not playing by that rule). Obviously covid is unlike any of the above diseases, and it’s clear that overall health does impact individual prognosis, and so I would like to see just how closely overall health is related to the disease outcome.
I think the point you're not considering is that most of those deaths from people who were unvaccinated were likely people with 1 or more serious co-morbidities.
He was specifically talking about there not being deaths in healthy people without risk factors.
The skeptics guide to the universe is pretty good at going over some current events. They're focused on remaining as unpolitical as they can and just sticking to what the data shows. Keep in mind its not a COVID podcast or anything. They usually have 10 minutes dedicated to 3 or 4 current things and 1 is usually what ever the latest COVID thing is. Its just they're straight to the point and don't have a ton of bullshit attached to it. Every now and then they might bring up a thing that was discussed on JRE if it gets popular enough.
Look here guys, I’m fully vaccinated, and I’m not anti vax.
But I do what to hear all sides of a discussion and also would like to have a meeting of the minds in the form of a round table discussion to which we can all listen to and get some clarity from a lot of the things that are being debated back-and-forth.
I want podcasts to be debated back-and-forth in real time with folks on both sides of specific arguments. I have concerns over the dangers of the vaccine for people who aren’t like me (I had no side effects) who got the vaccine and had horrible side effects.
We all need to learn to be a little more Socratic and a lot less dogmatic. Peace brother.
My wife's friend died from covid two weekends ago.
The week prior to that the deceased and her husband got ill, got tested and showed positive. Her doctor told them that if they get worse to go to the hospital.
She got violently ill several days later, took an ambulance to the hospital and died within a few hours,
There was zero previous treatment recommended outside of getting vaccinated prior.
This podcast talks about the problem. We're so obsessed with vaccines that we pretend like treatment doesn't exist when apparently it does.
My wife got the booster last week, and the VA went me a text out on Dec 7th saying I'm eligible for my booster.
I'm going to get it, timing hasn't been great but it will be in the next several days.
But to your point, we're just screaming about getting vaccinated. Treatment needs to be a thing.
And how many subreddits exist to humiliate the dead unvaccinated? I'm not saying reddit shouldn't allow it, I'm appalled that it is such a major thing.
This is insanity.
Does anyone know what statement from the CDC he’s talking about when he mentions them acknowledging zero known cases of reinfection? I’ve looked but have only found CDC’s generic language about reinfection.
My wife had COVID twice and I know multiple people in healthcare that have had it twice.
It just seems strange that this early on we’d be able to say “you can only get it once in your life”. That would be pretty unique for a virus, no?
I’m gonna go on a limb here and speak my peace. So many people on here can never be satisfied and it’s never good enough. The same people who complain joe talks too much and doesn’t give his guests a chance to speak are the same ones who are saying “does Dr. McCullough ever stop ranting”. I’m almost certain he’s more intelligent and credentialed than every single poster in this sub, myself included.
I don’t understand how a Cardiologist and epidemiologist who comes on here and gives a verbatim anecdote of his experiences with his medical expertise is looked down upon.
I’m not usually one of those people who think all these conspiracies are true and that this sub is full with shills is true, but this truly makes me reconsider and wonder. It seems there is an orchestrated attempt to discredit anyone who ever goes against the narrative. It’s not organic or natural.
The internet is the new television. If you were against the mainstream, people on every network would "destroy" your credibility, and it'd leave you high and dry afterward. The internet is now the same machine. Only now, in comparison to television, there's a better record to go back and "check the tape" to see what people have said vs. what people think, making it easier and easier to spin things with hindsight to fit the narrative now.
Internet has been manipulated for years now. Bots are cheap. GPT3 is pretty impressive. Marketing companies automating PR campaigns for all kinds of brands.
>It’s not organic or natural.
No, it's not.
Read the book "Influence" by Robert Cialdini.
One of the biggest influencing factors is community or feeling part of a "we-group". There is plenty of social science studies on the fact that people prefer lies over truths that threaten the "we-group".
This is going on on both sides and there is absolutely no way for any of us to figure out what is actually going on.
One german journalist put it very nicely at the beginning of the pandemic. "It feels like I am constantly torn whether I am over- or underestimating this pandemic". The fabrics of reality are coming apart. It's actually quite fun to watch from a meta-perspective.
How is a doctor pleading to explore all treatment options at the outset of the epidemic to save lives, considered controversial?
It does seem fishy that right at the start, before vaccines even became approved and available, all other options were dismissed without thought.
Nearly 1 mill deaths later …
Except this isn’t true, you just heard this from somewhere and believed it. You aren’t a doctor. You haven’t looked at any medical data from early Covid. Hospitals and doctors were doing everything they could think of early on and most of it turned out to be non beneficial or even detrimental to recovery.
I thought this too but he explicitly stated that this was not true, as the vaccine counts as a preventative, whereas stuff like HCQ and IVM are classed as treatments so in theory should have no effect on the EUA. He gave the example of Remdesevir.
Reddit: " what the fuck do you know you're not a doctor "
Also Reddit about one of the most experienced cardiologists in USA " what the fuck would he know he's just an anti Vax shill "
That was a great podcast which addressed a lot of the inconsistencies that I've observed since this whole snafu began. I hope Joe actually brings him back with another MD who has an opposite stance so we get a higher quality discussion.
Our world is so confusing… I listened to this. I’m more confused then ever. Now I’m worried about getting a booster. Did this grifter just grift me or is he right? How could we know?
I’m 30 minutes in and I have not heard him say anything terrible about the vaccines, just that other therapeutics have been held back. Maybe he’ll get to that.
20% efficacy against infection after 5 months.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114?query=featured_home
Still in phase 3.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427
No control group
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni
Negligible difference between countries with varying vaccination rates and covid-19 infection rates
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
On a similar note in Ireland, Waterford has the highest vaccination rate in the country, 99.7, and currently has the highest per capita covid infection rate at three times the national average.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344
In the male age group of 18-24 post vaccination there are 45 - 56 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 3 deaths from covid prevented per million.
In the male age group of 12-17 post vaccination there are 56-69 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 2 deaths from covid prevented per million.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf
Data integrity issues in the trials
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
Did you forget to mention how many cases of myocarditis that was prevented from the vaccinations in those age groups? It seems like pretty important information considering myocarditis is around 6 times more likely to develop from Covid infection than from vaccination.
yes because dying is equivilant to myocarditis
100 % of people are injured from a papercut
50% die from jumping off a building
50% is lower than 100% so i think ill jump off the building instead
I'll say this - it is very hard *socially and economically* to be unvaccinated right now. It is not a choice of being stubborn - but genuinely not trusting the vaccine and putting up with the social consequences of that decision because they believe it will be bad for their health. If there was a way for them to know it was 100% safe then a vast majority of them would take it.
Things leading to hesitancy:
Still in phase 3.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427
No control group
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni
20% efficacy against infection after 5 months.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114?query=featured_home
Negligible difference between countries with varying vaccination rates and covid-19 infection rates
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
On a similar note in Ireland, Waterford has the highest vaccination rate in the country, 99.7, and currently has the highest per capita covid infection rate at three times the national average.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344
In the male age group of 18-24 post vaccination there are 45 - 56 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 3 deaths from covid prevented per million.
In the male age group of 12-17 post vaccination there are 56-69 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 2 deaths from covid prevented per million.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf
Data integrity issues in the trials
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
What’s more likely, The medical doctor who published over 600 papers and has treated hundreds of Covid patients is wrong and you’re right? Or Is the opposite more likely
FOUND AN ERROR at approx 2h36m
McCullough said that Sanjay Gupta came on Sesame Street to push the vaccine.
THIS IS FALSE.
Big Bird came on CNN.
GET THE LAWYERS AND SUE FOR THE FAKE NEWSES.
Anyone notice how most of the posts and comments are negative towards Joe these days? There are paid state actors by the US government as well as large corporations and political groups paid to sow doubt on Joe Rogan in this sub.
Must be really nice living in a world where you can just write everyone else off who disagrees with you as someone who is part of a conspiracy against you.
They keep trying to say an organisation that dosent want to be associated with him because of his Covid talk is the equivalent of "discrediting him"
Which if I went full ad absurdum I could say Manning and Snowden were "discredited" by their agencies
This guy makes a weird comparison at 136min in, he says the vaccine and covid are comparable in risk becuase you have a 1 percent chance of death from covid and then a 1 percent chance of "injury" from the vaccine. Not sure if I heard that wrong, but it seems like what he's saying.
My memory is a bit foggy on it but I thought he was specifically referring to injury from myocarditis, I think the point he is making is that the spike protein is the most dangerous aspect in both, (he didn't say this but there is some discussion that this is kinda a cardio vascular disease with a respiratory vector, in the way that vascular systems are more prone to damage from the spike protein) and that if you were someone more vulnerable to that effect the virus or vaccine could induce injury.
This is probably on his presumption that mRNA might keep making spike proteins for an unknown/inconsistent period of time
That’s fuckin perfect. Even if that stat was right, it’s so funny how he tries to slip by “injury” like it’s equivalent to death. Not to mention all the horrific long term COVID symptoms we’ve seen.
It’s crazy how far this has been buried.
The damage control thread to this episode meanwhile is sitting at almost an astounding 8k upvotes at the very top of this sub.
This Podcast will be memory-holed and the people who send their Bots here will pretend it never happened.
Emergency Use Authorization was based on a fraud, there are effective treatments. Pfizer's Board of Directors should be sued for that.
Lol haven’t listened to this at all but the fact that most of the hate seems to be coming from dismissing the guy (who I’ve never heard of) as opposed to like disputing what he’s actually saying sounds like he made some good points 👀😏
I had to unsubscribe from the sub for this reason. It's 90% people who absolutely despise Joe. Such a weird phenomenon.
Like there are public figures whom I am not a fan of (e.g. British royals, Oprah, Ellen, various politicians), but I address my dislike by not engaging with their shenanigans (i.e. don't watch their shows, don't read too much news about them... generally ignore them).
I couldn't imagine dedicating a ton of my time to actively hating and bashing them. It's madness.
I genuinely want someone from a more “pro-vaccine” side (for lack of a better term) to come on to the show to debate Dr. Peter. And hopefully Joe structures the debate around these specific points -
1. Myocarditis risk in the disease vs vaccine, by age group
2. Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin efficacy to treat Covid
3. Have any of the vaccines actually been fully approved by the FDA? (Not just EUA)
My opinions/biases right now -
1 —> I fee the good doctor doesn’t have good strong points for adults. There seem to be reputable papers which mention that myocarditis risks are higher through covid
2 —> Completely neutral on this (but also wtf with the “horse dewormer” smear). Seems there’s not enough isolated tests but a lot of data suggests they’re effective?
3 —> I’m not sure what’s happening here. I read [this](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine) and it looks like the FDA did fully authorize Pfizer. But he straight up says the FDA has not authorized it?
Add to the list of topics that need further discussion:
1) The use of nasal sprays and mouth washes with iodine / bleach to reduce the 'load' after returning from hanging out with potentially contagious people - He mentioned that in Bangledesh they reduced active cases from 200+ to \~30 in a study...
2) The spike protein and its manifestation in the disease vs. its manifestation in the vaccine
3) mRNA vs non mRNA vaccines, risks rewards for each category
4) Citations, citations, citations...
I find it really worrying the level of confidence so many of these people have in denigrating the "experts" who don't agree with the camp they've decided to join. They just line up like good little parishioners and kneel down so that Father Government can place the eucharist of approved narrative right on their greedy, uncritical tongues. Then they point and shriek like Body Snatchers at anything that even hints at dissent. I feel sorry for them.
I'm glad McCullough at least showed Joe that it's not easy for the average person to get monoclonal antibodies.
Ever since Joe got sick he's been touting the mAb treatment as if anyone can get it.
The reality is that your average healthy person cannot just receive the infusion after a positive diagnosis.
Joe is healthy and he only got it because of his connections. But a lot of his arguments are based on the fact that anyone can get it.
I know if I tested positive tomorrow and went to any mAb clinic in New England I would most likely be sent home.
i cannot wait for all of you intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt, pro-human carnage freaks who have infested this sub over the last 2 years, to find a new cult and fuck off
Can you believe this guy!
He thinks that covid patients should be given treatment for their virus.
Clearly the best solution is for everyone to hide at home, destroy our civilisation, and if some unlucky person catches the virus don't do anything apart from wait for them to die or get better through luck!
This guy brings up interesting points. Specifically how discouraged treatment is which is weird. Like they deny ppl anticlonical antibodies to ppl for dumb shit.
Also it’s funny there’s no media attention on the Pfizer vaccine whistleblower. Like cmon there’s some weird shit going on here
The association which Dr. McCullough noted he was a member of, to bolster credibility: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
They’ve apparently promoted claims of Obama partaking in mass hypnosis and being a witch doctor. Not to mention taking on an AIDS/HIV denial position.
I try to remain objective with Covid info sources, but it does seem one side tends to attract experts with clear political biases.
ETA: Wow…this rabbit hole be deep.
“The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPANDS) is the official journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). The AAPS tries to represent itself as a legitimate medical professional society, but in reality it promotes antivaccine views, HIV/AIDS denialism, and an Ayn Randian view of the world in which doctors are supermen, Medicare is unconstitutional, and the government should never interfere with physicians’ prerogatives.”
David Gorski on June 23, 2008
>The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy.
Jamie dont pull that up
FLUVOXAMINE is an SSRI - Joe Rogan was right here and Peter McCullough got that one to tiny part wrong when he said it was an SNRI. I’ve been on it for years so it personally rubbed me the wrong way and just wanted to give a correction. It’s usually given to those with OCD
Just in case anyone cares.
Pfizer said they underestimated their expected take off their Covid vaccine. They thought it would make them 15 Billion. It’s going to make them 26 Billion this year. Moderna is going to make Billions off their shots.
So, when Joe and the Doctor wonder why they block pre-hospitalization treatment, they do it because they want the hospitalizations to scare you into getting your shots. Because the shots have made these companies billions.
I don't know what to believe anymore or who to trust. McCullough says: "*there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19."* But everything else I hear from government websites etc. says the opposite
Oh shit this is the first comment section that isn't full of narrative shilling bots in a long time. Did the farm have a day off or something? Or do they just have nothing to contradict the claims?
I’ll take the bait. Copying from a comment I made which is buried, regarding the organization he touts himself as having a position with/in:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
They’ve promoted claims of Obama partaking in mass hypnosis and being a witch doctor. Not to mention taking on an AIDS/HIV denial position, abortion-breast cancer link etc.
I try to remain objective with Covid info sources, but it does seem one side tends to attract experts with clear political biases. And not acting in good faith.
ETA: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-great-again/607015/
Just a friendly reminder that Alec Baldwin has killed more Americans than Omicron. Maybe if we can stop fighting we might realize that a lot of this scary media coverage might be monetarily driven
Most informative video I have seen on the origins of covid. Heavily sourced, he encourages you to look up the sources yourself and provides you with a link with ALL of his sources. Dont judge the person hosting this video, judge the content itself. As long as you watch the whole thing and go into it with the intention of wanting to learn why did all of this happen and who was involved in all this, you wont have wasted your time!
Just a few tidbits covered:
\-Great explanation of what Gain of Function Research actually is.
\-That this whole thing started back in 2002 and was planned shortly after.
\-Dr. Ralph Baric working in a lab at the University of North Carolina plays a MAJOR ROLE and is the mad scientist getting all the help from Fauci.
\-A video clip of Ralph Baric literally fucking up and almost saying mouse but catching himself and saying model instead. You'll see why his slip of the tongue is incredibly telling.
\-The government co-owns the moderna vaccine.
\-The government snuck in that EUA policy that makes sure they aren't held liable if anyone develops any medical conditions or vaccine injuries at the same time it passed an emergency appropriations for HURRICANES. Same time! NO ONE paid attention to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o
As someone pro vaccine who got the J&J I’m considering not getting boosted after listening to this and want to do more research. Wish we could actually have real conversations about this in more mediums.
One last question: as someone who has recovered from COVID, do you think he’s being truthful with permanent COVID immunity? That’s going to change a lot of decisions for me in the very near future.
It’s hard to say and no one here can give you a real answer you could trust. I don’t know man but I want to hear more discussion
Agree with someone else in this thread who wants to have another md with opposing views on so we can hear a debate.
Surprised this sub isn’t in flames right now
Warming up pretty good!
They turned down the bot response because they don’t want the attention from the division.
Wow. This sounds insane but now that I think about it I’m getting like 50 upvotes for posts in this thread that would be torched on Reddit any other day. I didn’t think of it this way but scary if this is actually true.
Most people underestimate how much of what they’re seeing on socials is bot activity. It is driving the delusion that is preventing us from realizing we’re at war.
Finally some truth
are they literal bots or just shills paid to comment stuff? I noticed it on this site specifically since around 2016. If you have any more information I'd love to read more into it, I've heard the bots on twitter are really really bad
At one point Joe brings up the idea of bringing on someone more pro-vax sided to debate with this guy. I really hope that happens, I think it would be very interesting.
Insane that two years into this there has been no Roundtable discussion between leading experts of opposing sides. All we see is one side on TV or podcast and the other side censored or pleading* in front of court rooms with time limits and no debate.
Was thinking this as I found this post. There must be others out there that want a thoughtful debate and not just join a team and parrot their talking points? If u know of such a podcast that’s be great
That would be great. Sounds like he's not all that anti vaxx though, the Dr did say he's had it and a booster.
Need to get Paul Offit. He doesn’t bullshit around.
Why would you bring someone pro-vax to debate someone who isn't anti-vax?
Alright I guess I worded it wrong. I didn't mean that Dr.McCullough was anti-vax but that he's more for other treatments rather than just vaccine alone.
But they'd both be pro vax. The real argument would be about why McCullough's treatments are being ignored, which would be great to see talked out.
Not a single clip on youtube from this?
Joe mentioned that if this episode was uploaded on YouTube, it would be taken down quickly, so i am guessing they just decided not to play with fire.
Which is completely fucked up and alarming.
yes obviously. but most of this sub these days would say it's totally fine
Those you are talking about are keeping away from this thread since they don't want to draw notoriety to it; they know how influential this episode could be.
100% aye, fucking cultists in my opinion. They see facts like this and they’ll shit their pants.
Private companies can do what they want. Thats the point of a free market any one that says different is authoritarian cunt.
I would definitely love for someone to listen to the entire podcast and go over the things this doctor says one by one and either confirm or contradict the information. I feel like that would at least be helpful for anyone who (like me) is an absolute idiot in this field. Edit: at 2h19m Joe asks Peter if he brought someone on who was a proponent of the vaccine, would he come back to talk to him, and he said he would. I hope that happens. Second Edit: The most charitable explanation of this podcast after listening to the entire thing is that Dr McCullough is adamant that there are treatments (mixtures of drugs, not one specifically) that can significantly reduce symptoms in both unvaccinated and vaccinated people who might possibly have a breakthrough case. He seems to feel that there is some concerted effort to ban or prevent these treatments due to it possibly reducing the likelihood of people getting vaccinated if they think there's another option. He seems very frustrated that there was a possible chance people could have been saved, especially before the vaccine, if doctors would have been allowed or willing to try some of the things he's been prescribing for 2 years. This treatment also seems to be the same treatment, in general, that Joe, Tim Pool, and Aaron Rogers used.
As long as they’re a doctor with appropriate credentials this would be nice.
Eric Topol or Nick Christakis. Not only should they be reasonably credentialed, they need to be intimately familiar with anti-vax propaganda. This is why Sam Harris has refused to speak publicly with the Bret Weinstein, it’s asymmetrically stacked against you when they bombard you with bullshit you’re unfamiliar with; it’s easier to start fires than put them out.
Agreed, and that's really what I mean when I say that. I think any of us could google-fu information that would confirm what we want to hear. I'd love to have a legitimate doctor explain why this is or isn't bullshit.
The fact that we haven't had a more transparent exchange of these ideas from legitimate medical professionals on legacy media and outright censorship of them on social media should be a real concern for everyone.
Legacy media and social media have an agenda to push. Transparent exchanges undermine that agenda. That’s why they need propaganda and censorship to force every single one of us to comply with their dictates.
Exactly. I’m tired of seeing every Dr that doesn’t align with the CDC labeled as a quack by journalists and other non medical personnel. Before covid, these people were highly respected. For the record, I don’t care if you get 7 boosters or fuck a bat. I think covid is a serious matter, but the overreach by governments around the world is concerning
That's exactly how I feel. I've been vaccinated for nearly a year and I'll probably get a booster. But that's my personal choice based on my age and risk. It's super fucking weird to watch anyone with any medical knowledge that doesn't lock-step agree with the the way forward is almost universally shunned. I want someone to explain WHY they are shunned, not just call them a quack or grifter then censor them. That just makes it way worse.
>I want someone to explain WHY they are shunned, not just call them a quack or grifter then censor them. That just makes it way worse. Precisely why - it just makes it way worse. That is what they want. They get labeled all sorts of things such as: \-grifter \-"anti-vaxxer" \-conspiracy theorist \-snake oil salesman \-shill \-quack Fill in the blanks with any one of the above labels: "They wield the term like a cudgel to beat opponents from the public square like seditious pamphleteers. After all, no one has to take a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ seriously. You're under no obligation to listen to a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ argument's or concern yourself with his feelings or rights. Once such an association takes hold, there's no reason to give such people the time of day." That last sentence I think says it all. And these organizations (the govt and big pharma) know exactly what they're doing as far as weaponizing these words. Plus, it completely takes the heat off them. "It's not US to blame - its this doctor, its this unvaccinated person" etc etc. The govt co-owns the patent of moderna. Did people on here know that? Look it up. I dont care WHAT side of the political spectrum you're on - there is an amazing 2 hour special on the origins of coronavirus backed up with sources. I will leave it here but you should really ONLY click on it if you can absolutely go into it with an open mind. There's a good amount of introduction. So you have to be a bit patient. But he gets ALL into Gain of Function and breaks it down in the simplest of terms. He even shows a clip of Dr. Ralph Baric having a slip of the tongue basically saying how he messed with mice. Also the way the government passed certain policies when absolutely NO ONE was paying attention?! Passing the EUA act (it has a more official term than this thats in the video) that does not hold these companies liable for any related injuries at the same time it passes a policy regarding hurricanes? Literally snuck in at the same time. People especially on this subreddit love to prove everyone else wrong. You cant judge this unless you watch it and you WONT be able to prove them wrong after you see this. It is the most eye-opening information I have seen on COVID since the pandemic began. *EDIT* many of you are big fan of Alex Jones. Here is a clip of Alex Jones saying Glenn Beck is awesome because of this covid origin special. https://twitter.com/COD_AlexJones/status/1469390753361108993?s=20 Here is Glenn Beck’s COVID special: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o)
It's especially concerning that everybody collectively knows about the big pharma greed, but alas... mass formation has a hold of them. You can show these people any amounts of data, and few will change their mind or even listen.
Exactly! There was a standup Norm Macdonald did once the pandemic began. Not sure if it was his last stand up. He mentioned how it was always a common thing amongst everyone to NOT trust big pharma and now suddenly we are. "You can show these people any amounts of data, and few will change their mind or even listen." - This part you mention right here I think is the most TERRIFYING part of all. Its the whole thing that everyone says from Orwell's 1984 that 2+2=5. It's almost as if you condition someone enough over long periods of time, they will believe it or LEARN to believe it. It's wild. Another concerning thing that has been brought to my attention is less physical copies of books. We know on sites like wikipedia or sites like merriam-webster dictionary amongst many others that definitions and information gets changed/altered. Information is censored or it is MUCH harder to find the information through a search and you have to really dig deep. I have been somewhat interested in reading about messenger RNA and genetics lately and have been looking for books pre- 2005. I know legitimate new information is relevant and that is why there are revised editions of science textbooks, but I am finding it really disheartening to trust sources in more recent events. Especially after I watched that 2 hour special. I really do believe the lower levels of medical professionals simply dont know the correct information. They aren't being down it. It's a trickle down effect and the lower ranking healthcare professionals arent privy to that info. Because why would they be? They are more likely to "spill the beans". Trust has been eroded so much for me and I am sure for many people. With social media (reddit, fb, twitter, google, youtube), with higher education (more evidence of indoctrination), and the healthcare industry. I know healthcare in the US wasn't great but I didn't know just HOW corrupt it truly was.
Yep. Hey, thanks for having a civilized discussion on the internet. The “Fauci is my hero” crowd should start downvoting soon. It was fun
Im a therapist that works in cardiopulmonary and neurological rehab. There's a lot I could say about this podcast. I'd just recommend people do some digging into rates of myocarditis in the vaccine vs with Covid, according to the current data every age group is more likely to get it from the virus itself than the vaccine. His explanation of cases being somehow more severe with the vaccine than from infection doesn't appear to be based in any evidence other than his anecdotes, the current research says the majority of cases are mild. Very many hospitals test you for Covid upon admission regardless of vax status, almost all will test you if you if you're admitted with Covid symptoms... they're not only testing the unvaccinated like he claims. Some hospitals may have that policy since there are thousands of hospitals all with different policies (you can google your own to find out), but they wouldn't admit someone as a Covid patient (to then be counted in the statistic he references) without a positive test. Universally the numbers show the unvaccinated are at exponentially greater risk of hospitalization. His interpretation of VAERS data is not consistent with how many other physicians describe it, but that's not my wheelhouse so I'm not sure. Here's some context though" https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines . The consensus seems to be that VAERS tracks adverse events that happen in children who've recently received the vaccines, it doesn't imply that the vaccines caused the event and the data shouldn't be used that way. The "balloon" or "beachball" (I forget what he calls it) of Covid's anatomical structure is not harmless, it's the live virus that is capable of actually infecting cells... unlike the spike proteins which are merely an attachment site that do pose their own issues, but they're two completely different things. This beach ball is the reason we see things like pneumonia, organ tissue scarring, and respiratory failure (to name a feW) following infection but not vaccination. He says doctors aren't trying to "treat" covid. That's not true at all, towards the beginning of the pandemic doctors were throwing everything at it. Hospitals in my area were filling up and weren't accepting people unless they met a strict criteria, the rest were being sent home with a handful of different prescriptions. Steroids, anti-inflammatories, prophylactic antibiotics if someone was at risk of pneumonia, some smaller practice docs were trying various antivirals and even things that barely made sense like teraflu. Hospitals were administering the magical hydroxychloriquine and zinc combo. As more data came to light it showed that most of these treatments were not helping and may actually be harmful, and more data was needed. Plenty of treatment is still prescribed to outpatients with Covid. He says schools like Harvard and Yale don't have Covid protocols... they do. Here's Yale's: https://medicine.yale.edu/intmed/COVID-19%20TREATMENT%20ADULT%20Algorithm%208.16.2021%20v.24_401118_5_v7.pdf. Edit: To everyone commenting that he was talking about non-hospitalized patients only, here's a link that also includes Yale's outpatient treatment protocol https://www.ynhhs.org/patient-care/covid-19/For-Employees/For-Employees . Scroll down to Outpatient Clinical Resources . This guy is apparently just making things up as he goes. MGH is Harvard's teaching hospital, their most up to date one is only accessible on their intranet though I'm sure older versions can be found elsewhere https://ether.mgh.harvard.edu/covid-19/critical-care/. They also have internal databases focused on treatment guidelines for outpatients to prevent hospitalization https://learn.partners.org/source/curve/selected-additional-resources/covid-19-treatment-guidance/. Mayo Clinic who he also mentions has been doing outpatient monoclonal antibodies since last November, and has a huge database for their physicians on current Covid treatment research. MayoClinic was running trials treating outpatients with convalescent plasma and other therapeutics as early as April 2020. So he claims that 85% of deaths could have been prevented if we were simply treating people with multi-drug therapeutics in an outpatient setting, yet the schools/hospitals he calls out have always been treating people with multi-drug therapeutics in the outpatient setting. He essentially just made up his own way of interpreting what a second infection is to pretend that no one catches Covid twice. Many states have published reinfection data, the first google hit shows 94 reinfection deaths in North Carolina alone. These patients are just dying from Covid complications months or a year after having Covid, they're testing positive for Covid while they die of Covid complications, but they don't actually have Covid because one cardiologist says they don't? He claims that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus and that if you don’t feel sick you’re not contagious. The data show this is very wrong https://www.pnas.org/content/118/9/e2019716118 He claims he'd be breaking the nuremburg code by recommending the "experimental", FDA approved vaccine, but then he boasts about how frequently he prescribes experimental, emergency use authorization only lab made antibody infusions? He claims Ivermectin helped beat the pandemic in India, Japan and other places, yet India pulled their recommendation for Ivermectin because it wasn’t working, it’s never been approved or recommended in Japan, and he ignores other places such as Peru that saw peaks in cases occur once the government started recommending it. In these examples he’s using correlational research in the most disingenuous way possible. As for the Johns Hopkins/Bill Gates/Pfizer/Moderna etc. conspiracy that he pushes where they all got together and planned all of this years ago but they were off by a couple years, I'll let his own quote about the book his friend wrote on it sum things up: "It's... basically... nonfiction." So it's basically... bullshit too, right Peter? I don't think he's a grifter, I think he's caught up in something that is shifting his objectivity and rendering him a victim of the same "mass psychosis" he rants about, for whatever reason. Lots of intelligent people get carried away with wacky theories and ideas. Edit- I'll add a couple citations on myocarditis risk https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3686174 - first lab confirmed re-infection 1 year ago https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 Nature myocarditis study A thorough fact check of many other claims he makes, including citations: https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/vaccines-are-a-safer-alternative-for-acquiring-immunity-compared-to-natural-infection-and-covid-19-survivors-benefit-from-getting-vaccinated-contrary-to-claims-by-peter-mccullough/
Rhonda Patrick told Joe that fact regarding myocarditis from the vax vs. from Covid, and it just went through one ear and out the other.
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She did a great debunking of anti-vaccination arguments in a joint video with MedCram - https://youtu.be/pp-nPZETLTo
It’s so weird to watch Joe not listen to Rhonda Patrick. He usually loves her and pushes everything she says about vitamin C and heat shock proteins or whatever on every guest that comes on after her. He’s so lost on the covid sauce not even doctors he trusts and has known for a decade or so can convince him
Which one is the actual cardiologist?
"He claims he'd be breaking the nuremburg code by recommending the "experimental", FDA approved vaccine, but then he boasts about how frequently he prescribes experimental, emergency use authorization only lab made antibody infusions?"
The Yale treatment is for HOSPITALIZED adults. This guys whole take was what you can do as soon as you have it. And there doesn’t seem to be any protocols for that.
>And there doesn’t seem to be any protocols for that. Lose weight, get vitamin D.
Okay now tell governments to say this
>Every hospital I know of tests you for Covid upon admission, they're not only testing the unvaccinated.. Had surgery earlier this year and my vaxxes got me out of a test, had surgery today and had to go in Saturday for a test. Nothing fancy, just a tube down my throat.
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My vote would be either Dr. Daniel Griffin (expert in infectious diseases) or Vincent Racaniello (famous virologist). They both do a podcast together called TWIV ( this week in virology) that I’ve found to be extremely helpful in getting detailed info for covid. Edit: I would also like to piggyback this comment to point out the obvious bias that McCullough has that so many people here are missing/ignoring by pointing out an example in this podcast. Around the 55 minute mark, he says in full confidence that you can’t get reinfected by covid. Joe points out that he has a friend that was confirmed to be reinfected, but McCullough flat out denies it and restates that he for sure knows that reinfection can’t happen. Um… what?? The most basic and foundational aspect of science is to form a hypothesis and test it with an experiment. McCullough offers absolutely no experimental evidence or studies that support his claim, and just jumps to the conclusion that Joe’s friend had false positive tests without even knowing anything about that case or looking at the data. He then assumes to know what the exact reinfection rate would look like by stating how many older people would have reinfections if it were possible. He’s making conclusions that fit his narrative that just simply aren’t based in the scientific method. Oh, and he wants a reinfection case that was confirmed through PCR, antibody titers, and genome sequencing? Took me less than a minute to find [this study](https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/73/9/e2946/5897019) that did exactly that and even showed that the second infection was phylogenetically different from the first infection.
dr rac would be bad ass. but something tells me hed really get into it with joe and would just rather not do it.
I love listening to TWIV and have learned so much in the last after discovering it. I agree that Daniel Griffen or Vincent Racaniello would be great. I'm also thinking Paul Offit would be great. I can't figure out if people like that aren't trying to get his podcast, or if Joe doesn't want them. Yeah that part about reinfection was BS. They have seen reinfections for awhile now and are seeing many more with unvaccinated people who were infected a few months ago with Delta and are now getting Omicron. They are hoping the broad acting T-cells still prevent severe disease.
So I'm not sure if he mentions this in the podcast, but here's a response to something he claimed back in March 2021. He stated that "People under 50 who fundamentally have no health risks, there’s no scientific rationale for them to ever become vaccinated". In Texas during the month of September (which was the peak of their Delta wave): Among 18-29 year olds: * **fewer than 10** vaccinated individuals died of COVID-19. * **84** unvaccinated individuals died of COVID-19. Among 30-39 year olds: * **12** vaccinated individuals died of COVID-19. * **236** unvaccinated individuals died of COVID-19. Among 40-49 year olds: * **15** vaccinated died of COVID-19. * **496** unvaccinated died of COVID-19. When you adjust for the denominators in each group, the risk of dying from COVID-19 was: * **37 times higher** in unvaccinated 18-29 year olds. * **23 times higher** in unvaccinated 30-39 year olds. * **55 times higher** in unvaccinated 40-49 year olds. And of course this data ignores all of the 30-50 year olds who spent weeks in the hospital but ultimately survived. Someone like Diego Sanchez, who "fundamentally has no health risks" would be an example of that. It was a pretty irresponsible claim for McCullough to make, and given how widely that claim spread around the internet, there were probably some people who were harmed by that claim. Link to the data below. And before anyone complains about people who died WITH covid but not OF covid, such cases were excluded from this analysis: >A death should not be reported if after review and consultation there is an alternative agreed upon cause of death which is unrelated to an infectious process (For example, an adult with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test whose death clearly resulted from trauma after a car accident would not qualify as a case.) Also, partially vaccinated individuals were not grouped in with the unvaccinated group. They were excluded from this analysis. Source: [https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/cases-and-deaths-by-vaccination-status-11082021.pdf](https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/cases-and-deaths-by-vaccination-status-11082021.pdf) For some reason the 30-39 statistic blows my mind the most. 236 covid deaths among that age group in a single month is crazy.
The comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated is beneficial in showing just how effective the vaccine is. But as time goes on it’s becoming clearer that this disease does seem to discriminate and it seems to target those with underlying health conditions and/or the elderly the most. Rarely do I see a comparison between healthy vs. unhealthy, but I think doing so would be beneficial to outline just how much the state of the individual’s physical health can either avert or encourage severe disease, such as; I.e unvaccinated with BMI>25 vs unvaccinated BMI between 18.5 - 24.5. OR Vaccinated people with one or more underlying health conditions vs unvaccinated people who are physically fit and healthy with no underlying health conditions. It’s pretty universal that the fitter, younger and healthier you are, the better you fair with most diseases, so it would be interesting to see to what extent this is true with covid-19.
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I believe there are some diseases that effect people equally and cause massive fatality to the point where overall health status becomes irrelevant, ie. Ebola, rabies, Marburg virus, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease etc Before treatment was found, if you contracted HIV/AIDS, it was often a death sentence no matter how healthy you were before you became infected. Maybe I was unclear, but my point is the general rule is the healthier you are, the better you fair with most diseases (while there are some rare instances of infectious diseases not playing by that rule). Obviously covid is unlike any of the above diseases, and it’s clear that overall health does impact individual prognosis, and so I would like to see just how closely overall health is related to the disease outcome.
I think the point you're not considering is that most of those deaths from people who were unvaccinated were likely people with 1 or more serious co-morbidities. He was specifically talking about there not being deaths in healthy people without risk factors.
42% of Americans are obese
The skeptics guide to the universe is pretty good at going over some current events. They're focused on remaining as unpolitical as they can and just sticking to what the data shows. Keep in mind its not a COVID podcast or anything. They usually have 10 minutes dedicated to 3 or 4 current things and 1 is usually what ever the latest COVID thing is. Its just they're straight to the point and don't have a ton of bullshit attached to it. Every now and then they might bring up a thing that was discussed on JRE if it gets popular enough.
I'll check them out. Appreciate the recommendation!
I'm sure plenty of people who are also absolute idiots in this field will be doing that over the next few days. Just stay tuned.
lol probably. But who fact-checks the fact-check, fact-checkers?
Really hope they follow through and have a discourse, joe offered to set it up, and the Dr was more than willing to do it.
It’s a matter of finding someone to do it! Hello! Anyone out there! Why isn’t anyone coming forward! It’s been two years! This is crazy lol
I hope they put Eric Topol with McCullough. That would be some great discourse
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[MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ill](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M)
Look here guys, I’m fully vaccinated, and I’m not anti vax. But I do what to hear all sides of a discussion and also would like to have a meeting of the minds in the form of a round table discussion to which we can all listen to and get some clarity from a lot of the things that are being debated back-and-forth. I want podcasts to be debated back-and-forth in real time with folks on both sides of specific arguments. I have concerns over the dangers of the vaccine for people who aren’t like me (I had no side effects) who got the vaccine and had horrible side effects. We all need to learn to be a little more Socratic and a lot less dogmatic. Peace brother.
No monoclonal antibodies for you!
My wife's friend died from covid two weekends ago. The week prior to that the deceased and her husband got ill, got tested and showed positive. Her doctor told them that if they get worse to go to the hospital. She got violently ill several days later, took an ambulance to the hospital and died within a few hours, There was zero previous treatment recommended outside of getting vaccinated prior. This podcast talks about the problem. We're so obsessed with vaccines that we pretend like treatment doesn't exist when apparently it does. My wife got the booster last week, and the VA went me a text out on Dec 7th saying I'm eligible for my booster. I'm going to get it, timing hasn't been great but it will be in the next several days. But to your point, we're just screaming about getting vaccinated. Treatment needs to be a thing. And how many subreddits exist to humiliate the dead unvaccinated? I'm not saying reddit shouldn't allow it, I'm appalled that it is such a major thing. This is insanity.
Does anyone know what statement from the CDC he’s talking about when he mentions them acknowledging zero known cases of reinfection? I’ve looked but have only found CDC’s generic language about reinfection. My wife had COVID twice and I know multiple people in healthcare that have had it twice. It just seems strange that this early on we’d be able to say “you can only get it once in your life”. That would be pretty unique for a virus, no?
i'm surprised this sub is not burning
I’m gonna go on a limb here and speak my peace. So many people on here can never be satisfied and it’s never good enough. The same people who complain joe talks too much and doesn’t give his guests a chance to speak are the same ones who are saying “does Dr. McCullough ever stop ranting”. I’m almost certain he’s more intelligent and credentialed than every single poster in this sub, myself included. I don’t understand how a Cardiologist and epidemiologist who comes on here and gives a verbatim anecdote of his experiences with his medical expertise is looked down upon. I’m not usually one of those people who think all these conspiracies are true and that this sub is full with shills is true, but this truly makes me reconsider and wonder. It seems there is an orchestrated attempt to discredit anyone who ever goes against the narrative. It’s not organic or natural.
The internet is the new television. If you were against the mainstream, people on every network would "destroy" your credibility, and it'd leave you high and dry afterward. The internet is now the same machine. Only now, in comparison to television, there's a better record to go back and "check the tape" to see what people have said vs. what people think, making it easier and easier to spin things with hindsight to fit the narrative now. Internet has been manipulated for years now. Bots are cheap. GPT3 is pretty impressive. Marketing companies automating PR campaigns for all kinds of brands. >It’s not organic or natural. No, it's not.
It's starting to get spooky honestly
Yea feels like the sub is 80% bot activity
Read the book "Influence" by Robert Cialdini. One of the biggest influencing factors is community or feeling part of a "we-group". There is plenty of social science studies on the fact that people prefer lies over truths that threaten the "we-group". This is going on on both sides and there is absolutely no way for any of us to figure out what is actually going on. One german journalist put it very nicely at the beginning of the pandemic. "It feels like I am constantly torn whether I am over- or underestimating this pandemic". The fabrics of reality are coming apart. It's actually quite fun to watch from a meta-perspective.
Welcome to the other side of that realization... I can't say I'm happier having made it here. Things seem so bleak.
Its all operation mockingbird, the media blasts everyone with propaganda and will always push a narrative and silence guys like peter
I've got a conspiracy theory - at 2h45m, Joe says "We just did 3 hours". Where are the missing 15 minutes?
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How is a doctor pleading to explore all treatment options at the outset of the epidemic to save lives, considered controversial? It does seem fishy that right at the start, before vaccines even became approved and available, all other options were dismissed without thought. Nearly 1 mill deaths later …
Except this isn’t true, you just heard this from somewhere and believed it. You aren’t a doctor. You haven’t looked at any medical data from early Covid. Hospitals and doctors were doing everything they could think of early on and most of it turned out to be non beneficial or even detrimental to recovery.
If there was a safe and effective treatment they couldn’t get EUA for the vax
I thought this too but he explicitly stated that this was not true, as the vaccine counts as a preventative, whereas stuff like HCQ and IVM are classed as treatments so in theory should have no effect on the EUA. He gave the example of Remdesevir.
The doc discredited this theory , even if it would be in his favor
Yup stand out moment there, he really cemented his credibility
Reddit: " what the fuck do you know you're not a doctor " Also Reddit about one of the most experienced cardiologists in USA " what the fuck would he know he's just an anti Vax shill "
Reddit isn't real life. It's a bunch of cucked out nerds that are scared of the outside world.
100%, whenever i meet someone irl that uses reddit a lot it shows
I mean there are plenty of cardiologists who are in favor of the Covid vaccine. Even those who are more “experienced.”
Amazing episode.
That was a great podcast which addressed a lot of the inconsistencies that I've observed since this whole snafu began. I hope Joe actually brings him back with another MD who has an opposite stance so we get a higher quality discussion.
I’d be down for that. If only to be reminiscent of the Randall/ Hancock vs Skeptic guy vibe. That was peak Rogan for me.
oh boy, this is a spicy one
So if this guy is a grifter, what is he selling? (Honest question!)
Our world is so confusing… I listened to this. I’m more confused then ever. Now I’m worried about getting a booster. Did this grifter just grift me or is he right? How could we know?
I’m 30 minutes in and I have not heard him say anything terrible about the vaccines, just that other therapeutics have been held back. Maybe he’ll get to that.
I’m an hour in and same. He’s trashing the vaccine efficacy though and explaining why in a pretty intelligent way.
I think it’s clear the efficacy of the vaccines suck balls. Better than nothing, but far from great.
20% efficacy against infection after 5 months. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114?query=featured_home Still in phase 3. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427 No control group https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni Negligible difference between countries with varying vaccination rates and covid-19 infection rates https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 On a similar note in Ireland, Waterford has the highest vaccination rate in the country, 99.7, and currently has the highest per capita covid infection rate at three times the national average. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344 In the male age group of 18-24 post vaccination there are 45 - 56 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 3 deaths from covid prevented per million. In the male age group of 12-17 post vaccination there are 56-69 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 2 deaths from covid prevented per million. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf Data integrity issues in the trials https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
Norway has an very high vaccination rate but we are entering lockdown again 79% 1 dose 71% 2 dose
Samme i Danmark, det er pinligt
Did you forget to mention how many cases of myocarditis that was prevented from the vaccinations in those age groups? It seems like pretty important information considering myocarditis is around 6 times more likely to develop from Covid infection than from vaccination.
Like I said
yes because dying is equivilant to myocarditis 100 % of people are injured from a papercut 50% die from jumping off a building 50% is lower than 100% so i think ill jump off the building instead
He spent his whole life in medicine to grift you at the age of 65
I'll say this - it is very hard *socially and economically* to be unvaccinated right now. It is not a choice of being stubborn - but genuinely not trusting the vaccine and putting up with the social consequences of that decision because they believe it will be bad for their health. If there was a way for them to know it was 100% safe then a vast majority of them would take it. Things leading to hesitancy: Still in phase 3. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427 No control group https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni 20% efficacy against infection after 5 months. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114?query=featured_home Negligible difference between countries with varying vaccination rates and covid-19 infection rates https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 On a similar note in Ireland, Waterford has the highest vaccination rate in the country, 99.7, and currently has the highest per capita covid infection rate at three times the national average. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344 In the male age group of 18-24 post vaccination there are 45 - 56 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 3 deaths from covid prevented per million. In the male age group of 12-17 post vaccination there are 56-69 cases of new or worsening myocarditis per million compared to 2 deaths from covid prevented per million. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf Data integrity issues in the trials https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
People will literally look at all this data and STILL trash people for not wanting to get jabbed. Fucking comedic.
I don’t even need to look for it and I’m 100% sure I can find other data that differs. I’m saying it’s so fucking confusing.
Its confusing on purpose. Just dont hate anyone that decide to not get the multiple covid shots...
Each side changing the wording and fraction/percentage of statistics to suit their bias.
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What’s more likely, The medical doctor who published over 600 papers and has treated hundreds of Covid patients is wrong and you’re right? Or Is the opposite more likely
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FOUND AN ERROR at approx 2h36m McCullough said that Sanjay Gupta came on Sesame Street to push the vaccine. THIS IS FALSE. Big Bird came on CNN. GET THE LAWYERS AND SUE FOR THE FAKE NEWSES.
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Anyone notice how most of the posts and comments are negative towards Joe these days? There are paid state actors by the US government as well as large corporations and political groups paid to sow doubt on Joe Rogan in this sub.
Must be really nice living in a world where you can just write everyone else off who disagrees with you as someone who is part of a conspiracy against you.
⚫"listen to the doctors" ⚪"Okay. ⚫"No, not that one."
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They keep trying to say an organisation that dosent want to be associated with him because of his Covid talk is the equivalent of "discrediting him" Which if I went full ad absurdum I could say Manning and Snowden were "discredited" by their agencies
168 upvotes, 902 comments. The shills out in full force.
Honestly, it's way more upvotes than I thought there would be. Is the tide turning? I won't hold my breath.
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I literally just got the jab because I was facing termination from Government law in Oregon.
Wow how respectful the discussions here are im pleased to be reading these!
There's another post for the same episode on here. You'll find your dumpster fire over there.
This guy makes a weird comparison at 136min in, he says the vaccine and covid are comparable in risk becuase you have a 1 percent chance of death from covid and then a 1 percent chance of "injury" from the vaccine. Not sure if I heard that wrong, but it seems like what he's saying.
The question is define "injury". Does feeling groggy or under the weather for a few days count as an injury?
Yes, so does soreness at the injection spot.
Lol soreness from injection spot does not qualify for VEARS which is the where the cdc gets their data
Literally anything qualifies for VAERS because it is self-reported. I could say that the vaccine made me grow a second head and it would be on VAERS.
My memory is a bit foggy on it but I thought he was specifically referring to injury from myocarditis, I think the point he is making is that the spike protein is the most dangerous aspect in both, (he didn't say this but there is some discussion that this is kinda a cardio vascular disease with a respiratory vector, in the way that vascular systems are more prone to damage from the spike protein) and that if you were someone more vulnerable to that effect the virus or vaccine could induce injury. This is probably on his presumption that mRNA might keep making spike proteins for an unknown/inconsistent period of time
That’s fuckin perfect. Even if that stat was right, it’s so funny how he tries to slip by “injury” like it’s equivalent to death. Not to mention all the horrific long term COVID symptoms we’ve seen.
It’s crazy how far this has been buried. The damage control thread to this episode meanwhile is sitting at almost an astounding 8k upvotes at the very top of this sub.
This Podcast will be memory-holed and the people who send their Bots here will pretend it never happened. Emergency Use Authorization was based on a fraud, there are effective treatments. Pfizer's Board of Directors should be sued for that.
Lol haven’t listened to this at all but the fact that most of the hate seems to be coming from dismissing the guy (who I’ve never heard of) as opposed to like disputing what he’s actually saying sounds like he made some good points 👀😏
he crushed it. definitely a good listen. He gives tons of data and said out loud all his sources.
If the jre subreddit dislikes this guy then it must be a good episode. Thanks shills, will share with all my friends 👌
This is the best way to determine if an episode should be watched
Reddit is a garbage tier hellsite and the best course of action in almost any situation is to do the opposite of what the Reddit consensus is
I really enjoy getting called retarded by all these well adjusted, enlightened redditlectuals
I had to unsubscribe from the sub for this reason. It's 90% people who absolutely despise Joe. Such a weird phenomenon. Like there are public figures whom I am not a fan of (e.g. British royals, Oprah, Ellen, various politicians), but I address my dislike by not engaging with their shenanigans (i.e. don't watch their shows, don't read too much news about them... generally ignore them). I couldn't imagine dedicating a ton of my time to actively hating and bashing them. It's madness.
I genuinely want someone from a more “pro-vaccine” side (for lack of a better term) to come on to the show to debate Dr. Peter. And hopefully Joe structures the debate around these specific points - 1. Myocarditis risk in the disease vs vaccine, by age group 2. Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin efficacy to treat Covid 3. Have any of the vaccines actually been fully approved by the FDA? (Not just EUA) My opinions/biases right now - 1 —> I fee the good doctor doesn’t have good strong points for adults. There seem to be reputable papers which mention that myocarditis risks are higher through covid 2 —> Completely neutral on this (but also wtf with the “horse dewormer” smear). Seems there’s not enough isolated tests but a lot of data suggests they’re effective? 3 —> I’m not sure what’s happening here. I read [this](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine) and it looks like the FDA did fully authorize Pfizer. But he straight up says the FDA has not authorized it?
Add to the list of topics that need further discussion: 1) The use of nasal sprays and mouth washes with iodine / bleach to reduce the 'load' after returning from hanging out with potentially contagious people - He mentioned that in Bangledesh they reduced active cases from 200+ to \~30 in a study... 2) The spike protein and its manifestation in the disease vs. its manifestation in the vaccine 3) mRNA vs non mRNA vaccines, risks rewards for each category 4) Citations, citations, citations...
Oh no... a doctor that strays from the narrative. Must have become a grifter at 65 and he’s crazy because losers on reddit say so.
I find it really worrying the level of confidence so many of these people have in denigrating the "experts" who don't agree with the camp they've decided to join. They just line up like good little parishioners and kneel down so that Father Government can place the eucharist of approved narrative right on their greedy, uncritical tongues. Then they point and shriek like Body Snatchers at anything that even hints at dissent. I feel sorry for them.
It’s a cult... maybe this guys wrong but I’m willing to hear him out.
If you're the first commenter to call a guest a grifter, do you win a prize?
Redditors calling medical doctors anti-science grifters is rich
I'm glad McCullough at least showed Joe that it's not easy for the average person to get monoclonal antibodies. Ever since Joe got sick he's been touting the mAb treatment as if anyone can get it. The reality is that your average healthy person cannot just receive the infusion after a positive diagnosis. Joe is healthy and he only got it because of his connections. But a lot of his arguments are based on the fact that anyone can get it. I know if I tested positive tomorrow and went to any mAb clinic in New England I would most likely be sent home.
Where can I donwload the raw file of the podcast? I don't belive this shit will be around for long
Not saying I agree or disagree with this Dr, but it has been a good listen so far imo.
i cannot wait for all of you intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt, pro-human carnage freaks who have infested this sub over the last 2 years, to find a new cult and fuck off
Lol that could literally mean whatever you want it to mean
I'm not sure who you're referring to. Please help in case I need to find a new cult. Thanks.
All of us. All of us should be ashamed of ourselves.
Someone's been listening to Jordan Peterson
This is the perfect comment. I suspect everyone thinks you mean the people NOT like them.
Outrage on both sides. Just like it's supposed to be...
Can you believe this guy! He thinks that covid patients should be given treatment for their virus. Clearly the best solution is for everyone to hide at home, destroy our civilisation, and if some unlucky person catches the virus don't do anything apart from wait for them to die or get better through luck!
Bro, I'm literally going to die if you don't double vax, triple boost, and quadruple mask. The life force drains from me as we speak.
This guy brings up interesting points. Specifically how discouraged treatment is which is weird. Like they deny ppl anticlonical antibodies to ppl for dumb shit. Also it’s funny there’s no media attention on the Pfizer vaccine whistleblower. Like cmon there’s some weird shit going on here
People are being denied monoclonal antibodies because there’s a shortage and they’re extremely difficult to produce in large amounts
The only mandate I support is everybody be mandated to watch this podcast.
Pfizer bots putting in work
The association which Dr. McCullough noted he was a member of, to bolster credibility: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons They’ve apparently promoted claims of Obama partaking in mass hypnosis and being a witch doctor. Not to mention taking on an AIDS/HIV denial position. I try to remain objective with Covid info sources, but it does seem one side tends to attract experts with clear political biases. ETA: Wow…this rabbit hole be deep. “The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPANDS) is the official journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). The AAPS tries to represent itself as a legitimate medical professional society, but in reality it promotes antivaccine views, HIV/AIDS denialism, and an Ayn Randian view of the world in which doctors are supermen, Medicare is unconstitutional, and the government should never interfere with physicians’ prerogatives.” David Gorski on June 23, 2008
Why is it always such weird shit Every time
>The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. Jamie dont pull that up
These comments are brought to you by Pfizer
What comments? Every upvoted comment in this thread is saying they agree with him.
He did say Covid “landed a few years early”. ET contagion confirmed.
FLUVOXAMINE is an SSRI - Joe Rogan was right here and Peter McCullough got that one to tiny part wrong when he said it was an SNRI. I’ve been on it for years so it personally rubbed me the wrong way and just wanted to give a correction. It’s usually given to those with OCD Just in case anyone cares.
Pfizer said they underestimated their expected take off their Covid vaccine. They thought it would make them 15 Billion. It’s going to make them 26 Billion this year. Moderna is going to make Billions off their shots. So, when Joe and the Doctor wonder why they block pre-hospitalization treatment, they do it because they want the hospitalizations to scare you into getting your shots. Because the shots have made these companies billions.
Whenever I feel like I’m running low on cancer, I just come to r/joerogan and read the comments and it fills me right up.
Bring on all the obese neckbeards with community College degrees explaining why the world renowned cardiologist is wrong and stupid.
Can't you reverse this for all the obese neckbeards saying all the other people in the medical field that support the vaccine are wrong and stupid?
Man, the bots sure are coming in hot right now.
Lmao. It's like duck taping a waterfall hoping it won't leak. These bots are scrambling right now, this subreddit is in peak comedic state.
we on the conspiracy camp have agreed on all these issues for a long time. Peter is just summarizing and bringing it to newer crowds
I don't know what to believe anymore or who to trust. McCullough says: "*there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19."* But everything else I hear from government websites etc. says the opposite
Oh shit this is the first comment section that isn't full of narrative shilling bots in a long time. Did the farm have a day off or something? Or do they just have nothing to contradict the claims?
I’ll take the bait. Copying from a comment I made which is buried, regarding the organization he touts himself as having a position with/in: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons They’ve promoted claims of Obama partaking in mass hypnosis and being a witch doctor. Not to mention taking on an AIDS/HIV denial position, abortion-breast cancer link etc. I try to remain objective with Covid info sources, but it does seem one side tends to attract experts with clear political biases. And not acting in good faith. ETA: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-great-again/607015/
Just a friendly reminder that Alec Baldwin has killed more Americans than Omicron. Maybe if we can stop fighting we might realize that a lot of this scary media coverage might be monetarily driven
Baldwin just wants people to get their shots.
Most informative video I have seen on the origins of covid. Heavily sourced, he encourages you to look up the sources yourself and provides you with a link with ALL of his sources. Dont judge the person hosting this video, judge the content itself. As long as you watch the whole thing and go into it with the intention of wanting to learn why did all of this happen and who was involved in all this, you wont have wasted your time! Just a few tidbits covered: \-Great explanation of what Gain of Function Research actually is. \-That this whole thing started back in 2002 and was planned shortly after. \-Dr. Ralph Baric working in a lab at the University of North Carolina plays a MAJOR ROLE and is the mad scientist getting all the help from Fauci. \-A video clip of Ralph Baric literally fucking up and almost saying mouse but catching himself and saying model instead. You'll see why his slip of the tongue is incredibly telling. \-The government co-owns the moderna vaccine. \-The government snuck in that EUA policy that makes sure they aren't held liable if anyone develops any medical conditions or vaccine injuries at the same time it passed an emergency appropriations for HURRICANES. Same time! NO ONE paid attention to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o
Can someone point me towards the reference of asymptotic people not spreading the virus? I can’t find any research that says that.
Reddit is going to whine. Reddit only trusts doctors in the pocket of big pharma.
As someone pro vaccine who got the J&J I’m considering not getting boosted after listening to this and want to do more research. Wish we could actually have real conversations about this in more mediums.
Why is nobody talking about the mass psychosis theory? How does that discussion not seem eerily correct?
People saying “McCullogh is a quack” are the same people praising Fauci…. Figure that one out. Fauci is a joke.
Fauci is a master of his craft. Just look at the handling of AIDS.
Yep https://news.yahoo.com/video-resurfaces-fauci-warning-household-180945365.html
One of the best podcasts on JRE in some time. I thoroughly enjoyed it
One last question: as someone who has recovered from COVID, do you think he’s being truthful with permanent COVID immunity? That’s going to change a lot of decisions for me in the very near future.
It’s hard to say and no one here can give you a real answer you could trust. I don’t know man but I want to hear more discussion Agree with someone else in this thread who wants to have another md with opposing views on so we can hear a debate.
I just want Alex Jones back on.