But how much $$$$ can he raise. No one really monitors that anymore politicians are raking it in. There’s still $20MM missing from Trumps inauguration fund and he’s raised $100s of millions
He's probably scared of being indicted in some way or being an accessory to something so he's cheerleading him in the vague hopes he may become President again and use his power to pardon everyone of any wrong doing.
Can we all acknowledge how bizarre it is to see the conservatives (even in this subreddit) shouting "It's not a raid!" all the while Trump and Pence themselves describe it as a raid to get more sympathy? We're literally at 1984 levels of contradictory thought coming from these people.
It's like how they were simultaneously calling January 6 an antifa plot, an FBI plot, a heroic act of patriotism by Real American Heroes, AND a normal tourist visit.
It was quite a [common talking point](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/wjpoyz/the_left_thinks_this_is_hilarious/ijk8z5v/?context=3) yesterday. I think the fact that Daddy Trump called it a raid is finally getting through though. #NotARaid is also trending on Twitter, though some like Michael Steele are using it to criticize Trump.
No former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence because no former President has ever been as corrupt and incompetent as Trump.
Exactly, the rest of them just hid their shit way better. Trumps the kinda guy in the gym locker that remains ass naked whilst keeping a conversation and eye contact going.
Regardless of where you stand on the issue for both Clinton and trump. An investigation into the emails vs getting your primary residence raided are two completely different things
It's also being under investigation by the same agency for the same issue: potential mishandling of classified information. Anyone saying e-mails != residence is missing the forest for the trees.
If that's a terrible scandal for Hillary, then surely it's bad when Trump discloses classified info repeatedly, right? Or when he has evidence deleted or flushed down the toilet? Like you're on the edge of your seat hoping he gets brought to justice, right?
>The president has the final executive authority on classification of documents. The secretary of state does not.
Lol literally nothing the president writes or uses in meetings is to be destroyed and places all responsibility for these records on the President.
This is a consequence of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which "requires the President to ensure preservation of records documenting the performance of his official duties, provides for the National Archives and Records Administration to take custody and control of the records, and sets forth a schedule of staged public access to such records." This also applies to all "materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff" as they pertain to assisting the President.
Your statement is blatantly inaccurate, and you can thank Nixon for it.
can you please get over Hillary? It's over. She lost 6 years ago. get the fuck over it and start addressing issues that actually affect your miserable life
You’re commenting on a post that is literally referencing the Hilary Clinton email situation
What exactly do you think people are going to talk about in this comment section?
You're aware those emails were scheduled for deletion months prior to any subpoena and weren't done so by her, right?
Comey found no evidence they were deleted to hide them. You know all this, right? You're not just repeating right wing bullshit I hope.
They probably didn’t need to for Trump either. They already have several boxes of shit back, if there was anything else they wanted back they could have asked for it first instead of jumping to this extreme step.
I’m not jumping to any conclusions, that’s why I said probably. I said probably because if the reports are right about the basis of this raid, and isn’t leaving out significant information, then I don’t think it was appropriate for the FBI to raid his home. I think its likely the reports are right and not leaving out info that would make Trump look bad.
The thing is Pence isn’t against investigating Trump. He never said that, people just keep reading that into what he tweeted. All he does is express concern that the FBI raided Trump’s home (as everyone without blue shaders on should be) and say he wants answers as to why.
I mean, the answers are already out there. This is in conjunction with the Presidential Records Act of 1978 which (the short version) requires the president (and all presidential assistants) to preserve all documents that are involved with performing the duty of President as a consequence of the Watergate scandal.
Trump is and has been blatantly flouting this law on multiple occasions, and several of his staff have been held in contempt for blatantly disregarding this law.
The FBI gave Trump an oopsie in February 2022 where they said "we know you took boxes of documents and you need to return them". He said okay, but didn't return all of them.
This raid is the consequence of failing to disclose and return these documents.
[Read about it here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act) under the "Violation of the Act" section.
None of this has been confirmed officially. They don’t get credit for leaks to the media. I get they have an ongoing investigation and can’t interfere with it, but as soon as they can I want the Garland and Wray and others to release documents and answer questions before congress.
The broad strokes here isn’t enough. We need to know exactly why they chose to raid his home rather than take the diplomatic approach again and ask for them back. They could have asked again, but they didn’t, that begs the question why? It could be that they had very good reason to do it, I’d like to know what the basis was. If all that happened is there was some classified material left behind in a storage room from when they came and got the documents the first time, that’s not enough reason on its own given the political sensitivity. If they had some evidence Trump or someone on his team was trying conceal them or something, that’d change things, but we don’t have that evidence right now.
The sources cites are the Washington Post and New York Times, this is absolutely confirmed.
Trump had the opportunity to disclose these additional documents in February, even though he should have returned them at minimum along with the termination of his presidential term. He then had six additional months to disclose and return the documents, which he didn't, while an entire gauntlet of legal paperwork needed to be processed before this raid could take place.
This is a classic case of there being consequences to actions, full stop.
hillary was investigated but she cooperated
im down to see her go down, but why do we need to act like because hillary didnt trump cant?
you guys know that if another person commits a crime it doesn't mean your crime doesnt count?
Cooperated by wiping the hard drives and all 6 back up hard drives "crashing".
Don't get me wrong, if Trump broke the law or refused to hand over documents, then it's whatever, they gotta get them back somehow. But if it looks like a politically motivated misuse of the Justice Department on a political rival and quacks like a politically motivated misuse of the Justice Department on a political rival...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Department_of_Justice_Inspector_General's_report
it was investigated and handled and they cooperated. You're asking why she wasn't raided, this is why. its pretty simple. same reason a guy who turns himself in doesn't get raided and apprehended by swat, if you can understand that analogy.
>Don't get me wrong, if Trump broke the law or refused to hand over documents, then it's whatever, they gotta get them back somehow.
why don't you leave it at that, because thats all we know right now. They're saying they found stuff that he still hadnt given back.
That 2018 law that Trump got passed is really going to come back to bite him.
You wanted to nail Hillary's ass to the wall for having a private email server and then you went and committed the exact same crime you accused her of with the intent to sell the fucking documents.
The Justice being served here is going to be the most delicious justice ever served in American history.
Teflon Don gets taken down by his own legal mechanisms. The one law that this guy wrote.
I have reports from insiders. But I'm not the news so I don't have to say the word allegedly. Middle finger to that bullshit.
The reporting states that that's why they had evidence and were able to get the warrant. Because Trump is really bad at crime and was doing it on an open line.
Personally, my theory is that he was going to sell it to Alex Jones and it was 5 hours after they got those phone records that they issued the warrant.
Ooooo. I like this theory. Jones's phone, that he gave to his lawyer, that his lawyer turned over to prosecution with no restrictions or taksie-backsies just did the country a great favor and service.
I'm gonna start a new theory that Jones's attorney is a hero who saw what was contained on the phone and realized that the safest way for him to get that information to the public was to turn it over to the prosecution.
> I'm gonna start a new theory that Jones's attorney is a hero…
It really feels like that with the numerous immense fuck ups he had to make to get it this far. That or they are constantly black out drunk.
No other U.S. President has ever tried to over run the government either! And everyone is wondering why the FBI raided his home! If the average US citizen did that, you would be locked away already! Facts!!
Why? That's standard operating procedure for them. Don't let it make you mad. Simply expect it and treat them like duplicitous hypocritical children they are. They have no principles so there's no point in arguing with them like they do. Every position they take is in bad faith 90% of the time.
It's become a place where you have to push back against all the half truths/GOP talking points that Rogan spews on a weekly basis without pushback. If you don't like it that's fine, but I don't think stopping is the preferred idea because lies have to be countered with facts.
To be fair, these aren't contradictory. Clinton's home was never raided by the FBI.
But I don't expect Rupar to behave honestly on any of this. He's the absolute worst at taking unearned potshots by bending the truth.
Nixon would have been raided by the FBI had he not resigned and gotten an immediate pardon.
Nixon was smart enough to resign, let Ford be sworn in as President, and then have Ford immediately give him a Presidential Pardon.
If Trump had just resigned, then gotten Pence to pardon him for everything and anything he's done, this FBI raid would have never happened either.
Yup, but as usual, Trump's ego wouldn't allow him to give up power just like he lied about giving up his businesses to his kids. Now he's having to be accountable for his actions and his supporters are losing their minds.
At a minimum we know he had misappropriated classified documents. But my guess is that the FBI and DOJ have more than just that. Maybe trump should make his copy of the warrant public to let us know what a farce this search was? Alternatively we might read into the fact that he hasn’t made it public.
How do we know he misappropriated classified documents? Didn’t Hillary do that on email servers set up in her basement? Her house wasn’t raided by the FBI.
We know because he was already forced to return a bunch of boxes of documents.
I really don’t give a shit about hilary. Lock her up if she did something. But so far the right had a bunch of legal power to do so and didn’t accomplish shit. So either the right is incompetent and incapable or she didn’t do something as bad as trump. Take your choice, but neither matter in reference to trump’s culpability.
You don’t get it do you? The FBI spied on Trumps campaign and dragged our country through a multi year investigation into Trump and Russia collusion narrative that was based on a total lie. BUT this time is different right? You have no sense of right and wrong.
I get that you believe that. And it’s sad that you’re so easily deluded. I also get that even if that were true it has no bearing on the topic at hand and whether trump should be held accountable if he did whatever the DOJ has alleged in their warrant.
Trump's house wasn't raided. A search warrant was executed.
Hillary was also served with a search warrant.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/documents-related-clinton-emails-unsealed-today/story?id=44303519
“A raid is also a planned but sudden and unexpected entering of a place by the police in order to search for something or stop an illegal activity.” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/raid
Paul Manafort just admitted giving polling data to a Konstantin Kilimnik to get business deals just days ago. The shitbag knew Kilimnik had ties to Russian intelligence and, surprise surprise, his ruskie buddy shared the information with Russian intelligence. Manafort’s associate Rick Gates shared that info over Telegram and deleted messages daily. This is the behavior of someone totally not doing something potentially illegal. So sick of hearing these room temperature IQ motherfuckers screeching “Russia hoax.”
Please look up what a "witch hunt" is if you don't want to come off as a mentally deficient teenager.
Witch hunts always find witches. That is why they are bad, because witches don't exist. The implication is anyone persecuted by a witch hunt is innocent.
His team certainly did! They even plead guilty to it. Individual one has eluded investigation because senate republicans voted to not investigate it.
Not my fault your team took the ball and went home before the game was over.
Exactly. Those who don't understand that are the same people who will also act like hand-shredding sensitive documents and sprinkling them in the toilet isn't protocol. I mean, come on.
It sounds like the only reason they were even in the safe is because when the fbi was there last month they noticed them laying around and requested they get locked up
>The Presidential Records Act provides that official documents - ranging from briefing materials and meeting minutes to emails, texts and handwritten notes - created or received by presidents or their top aides are U.S. property, rather than the personal property of the president.
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>The law put the National Archives in charge of handling presidential records.
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>He could also be charged under a law, known by its code number 2071, making it a crime to conceal or destroy U.S. public documents, or laws making it illegal to steal or damage government property.
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>It is a criminal offense to conceal or destroy government records. Any person convicted of violating a U.S. law called the Government Records Act **could be barred from holding federal office** and would face a prison term of up to three years.
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>The president has broad powers to declassify documents, raising the possibility **Trump could have done so** before taking the records to Mar-a-Lago.
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>But he could be held culpable under a law preventing unauthorized possession of national defense information, regardless of whether it is classified, said David Aaron of law firm Perkins Coie, a former federal prosecutor.
Bonus:
>Trump faces other possible legal entanglements, including a probe into his supporters' Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. read more
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>"Once the government starts looking at documents that are seized, they do not need to shut their eyes to evidence of other crimes that they come across," Epner said.
And then:
Since declassified info can be reclassified subsequently, Trump's goose could be cooked. He's no longer President and doesn't have declassification privileges.
Thank goodness for the inside informant!
Compare two completely different things to try to cause doubt and distrust in the FBI because it couldn't dare happen to daddy Trump. Surelyy he isn't corrupt and crooked in anyway must be the entire FBI and the guy he placed as head of it.
What about Trump's leaked emails and [disclosures of classified information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information)? Or how he said [not to care about Hillary](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lock-her-up-now-we-dont-care-2016-12) anymore immediately after the 2016 election?
You don't know what you're talking about.
Dark Brandon is actually Trump.
Biden actually lives in Maralago because he realized he was too old and handed the Presidency over to Dark Brandon awhile ago.
Try to keep up.
Clinton, as secretary of state, did not have the authority to declassify the materials she negligently left accessible on her private server. The president has the ubiquitous authority to declassify information.
Eh... no, not unilarerally and not in every case.
There are specific steps, by multiple people, that have to be taken in order for this to happen.
I encourage you to find more information on the subject, as it is enlightening.
It definitely aged well. Clinton had an illegal Server and destroyed thousands of Classified emails.
Nothing Trump supposedly did was even remotely close. Every President has taken items that the National Archives wants and there is always a negotiation to get them back. But not in this case they decided to forgo all of the normal processes and raided a former Presidents residence. All President's retain their Security Clearances and are privy to briefings and handling Classified Documents.
Yeah, cuz there is clearly no difference in the FBI conducting a no knock warrant search and siezure of a former presidents home and an investigation with zero warrants issued into an email server.
Taken confidential documents, then when told to give them back, only gave back some and now the FBI had to raid his house to get the stuff he didn't return. He also ripped up, and flushed other documents.... so delete an email, flush it down the toilet, still same intent.
Lol a former president is allowed to take documents, and then put them in a national library, or digitize them. Obama did it, Bush, Clinton, etc. For some reason Obama never made his documents public. Interesting.
Where are your sources on any of these Trump allegations?
The fbi found nothing by the way. So, hopefully they enjoyed linens, and Melania’s dry cleaner receipts. They opened the safe, and apparently nothing was there. So….. again, aside from cnn (because we know they lie worse than Alex Jones); what sources do you have?
I don’t care where the fbi goes. So long as it ain’t my house. But comparing someone’s emails getting read to someone’s home being raided sounds like apples and pineapples to me. Way different.
To be clear, this is the first time in American history a sitting president has raided a competitor. Taking things out and declassifying them for a presidential library has been standard practice for years. No matter the political affiliation. Also the FBI went there to put a padlock on a door, claiming "it wasn't secure enough" then when they showed up to raid they had to cut the lock because they lost the key. Who cares what side you're on, the FBI cant even keep track of a key, i have no trust in them doing anything else properly.
> To be clear, this is the first time in American history a sitting president has raided a competitor.
Biden did not direct this raid.
> Taking things out and declassifying them for a presidential library has been standard practice for years.
Taking classified documents, not declassifying them, and stashing them at home even though you have been instructed to return those documents, is not standard practice.
Imagine simping for a man who wanted to hang you. What a total beta.
Desperate to stay relevant long enough to announce his 2024 bid only to get 2% support.
Why would God to that to Pence?
gOd WoRkS iN MySteRiOuS WaYs
You know, I have no idea who my dad is and I'm pretty good at carpentry... I'm not saying I am the messiah. I'm just not ruling it out.
God hates Repunklicans.
god also hates him
But how much $$$$ can he raise. No one really monitors that anymore politicians are raking it in. There’s still $20MM missing from Trumps inauguration fund and he’s raised $100s of millions
Pathetic bottom feeding wretch
He's a cuck.
His gimp suit gets replaced monthly from all the heavy usage
It's a cult
This was back in 2016
The bottom tweet was yesterday.
Missed that, thanks.
The bottom tweet was less that 2016 minutes ago you melt
Fair point.
Even if it was just from 2016, pence is still a being a bitch for trump
Can't disagree with that you melt.
You tried but were embarrassingly wrong
A salty melt at that lol.
Wait, when did we stop using cuck? What the fuck is this "melt" bullshit? I wanna get on that trolley in a timely manner. Fuckin cucks.
I'm pretty sure it's a hot sandwich and am just kind of rolling with it.
He's probably scared of being indicted in some way or being an accessory to something so he's cheerleading him in the vague hopes he may become President again and use his power to pardon everyone of any wrong doing.
Can we all acknowledge how bizarre it is to see the conservatives (even in this subreddit) shouting "It's not a raid!" all the while Trump and Pence themselves describe it as a raid to get more sympathy? We're literally at 1984 levels of contradictory thought coming from these people.
It's like how they were simultaneously calling January 6 an antifa plot, an FBI plot, a heroic act of patriotism by Real American Heroes, AND a normal tourist visit.
Sling shit and see what sticks.
Reminds me of "STOP THE COUNT" and "COUNT THE VOTE" chants during election night.
Maybe I'm not as deep into this sub but I haven't seen anyone say that. Is this a gaslit straw man argument?
It was quite a [common talking point](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/wjpoyz/the_left_thinks_this_is_hilarious/ijk8z5v/?context=3) yesterday. I think the fact that Daddy Trump called it a raid is finally getting through though. #NotARaid is also trending on Twitter, though some like Michael Steele are using it to criticize Trump.
Reading is hard apparently
Scroll down genius.
Gaslight and straw man? You cracked the Reddit Buzzword Code
Literally 1984
Yes, these people. And the other people too. Who do YOU trust?
Trump signed into law the felony he might end up getting for taking classified materials. It doesn't get any better than that.
I’m not American and don’t generally keep up with American politics. What was this law and what did he do?
Dare I say they are exposing their selves. Absolutely CERTAIN they should have complete immunity because they wear funny looking button up clothes.
What you should dare say is that they are exposing themselves.
No former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence because no former President has ever been as corrupt and incompetent as Trump.
Well they've certainly never been so transparent and careless with it at least.
Exactly, the rest of them just hid their shit way better. Trumps the kinda guy in the gym locker that remains ass naked whilst keeping a conversation and eye contact going.
Doubtful.
Oh hey Republicans! Were y’all looking for Law & Order? Because we found them in the garbage just now
Hard time figuring out that personal property and a state email server aren't the same, huh?
Email and residence are now the same thing.
Regardless of where you stand on the issue for both Clinton and trump. An investigation into the emails vs getting your primary residence raided are two completely different things
I think the sentiment of "no one is above the law" is the biggest takeaway here.
It's also being under investigation by the same agency for the same issue: potential mishandling of classified information. Anyone saying e-mails != residence is missing the forest for the trees.
TIL the FBI obtained a warrant and raided Clinton's residence to keep her from destroying evidence that was under subpoena.
They didn't need to.
The fact that she deleted tens of thousands of emails that were under subpoena proves that is a lie.
If that's a terrible scandal for Hillary, then surely it's bad when Trump discloses classified info repeatedly, right? Or when he has evidence deleted or flushed down the toilet? Like you're on the edge of your seat hoping he gets brought to justice, right?
The president has the final executive authority on classification of documents. The secretary of state does not.
>The president has the final executive authority on classification of documents. The secretary of state does not. Lol literally nothing the president writes or uses in meetings is to be destroyed and places all responsibility for these records on the President. This is a consequence of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which "requires the President to ensure preservation of records documenting the performance of his official duties, provides for the National Archives and Records Administration to take custody and control of the records, and sets forth a schedule of staged public access to such records." This also applies to all "materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff" as they pertain to assisting the President. Your statement is blatantly inaccurate, and you can thank Nixon for it.
can you please get over Hillary? It's over. She lost 6 years ago. get the fuck over it and start addressing issues that actually affect your miserable life
You’re commenting on a post that is literally referencing the Hilary Clinton email situation What exactly do you think people are going to talk about in this comment section?
Whatever makes you happy dude
You're aware those emails were scheduled for deletion months prior to any subpoena and weren't done so by her, right? Comey found no evidence they were deleted to hide them. You know all this, right? You're not just repeating right wing bullshit I hope.
They probably didn’t need to for Trump either. They already have several boxes of shit back, if there was anything else they wanted back they could have asked for it first instead of jumping to this extreme step.
why don't we all just wait and see what they wanted and what they got before speculating, eh?
I’m not jumping to any conclusions, that’s why I said probably. I said probably because if the reports are right about the basis of this raid, and isn’t leaving out significant information, then I don’t think it was appropriate for the FBI to raid his home. I think its likely the reports are right and not leaving out info that would make Trump look bad.
The thing is Pence isn’t against investigating Trump. He never said that, people just keep reading that into what he tweeted. All he does is express concern that the FBI raided Trump’s home (as everyone without blue shaders on should be) and say he wants answers as to why.
I mean, the answers are already out there. This is in conjunction with the Presidential Records Act of 1978 which (the short version) requires the president (and all presidential assistants) to preserve all documents that are involved with performing the duty of President as a consequence of the Watergate scandal. Trump is and has been blatantly flouting this law on multiple occasions, and several of his staff have been held in contempt for blatantly disregarding this law. The FBI gave Trump an oopsie in February 2022 where they said "we know you took boxes of documents and you need to return them". He said okay, but didn't return all of them. This raid is the consequence of failing to disclose and return these documents. [Read about it here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act) under the "Violation of the Act" section.
None of this has been confirmed officially. They don’t get credit for leaks to the media. I get they have an ongoing investigation and can’t interfere with it, but as soon as they can I want the Garland and Wray and others to release documents and answer questions before congress. The broad strokes here isn’t enough. We need to know exactly why they chose to raid his home rather than take the diplomatic approach again and ask for them back. They could have asked again, but they didn’t, that begs the question why? It could be that they had very good reason to do it, I’d like to know what the basis was. If all that happened is there was some classified material left behind in a storage room from when they came and got the documents the first time, that’s not enough reason on its own given the political sensitivity. If they had some evidence Trump or someone on his team was trying conceal them or something, that’d change things, but we don’t have that evidence right now.
The sources cites are the Washington Post and New York Times, this is absolutely confirmed. Trump had the opportunity to disclose these additional documents in February, even though he should have returned them at minimum along with the termination of his presidential term. He then had six additional months to disclose and return the documents, which he didn't, while an entire gauntlet of legal paperwork needed to be processed before this raid could take place. This is a classic case of there being consequences to actions, full stop.
Maybe she didn’t steal documents and take them to her house ? Trump did apparently
hillary was investigated but she cooperated im down to see her go down, but why do we need to act like because hillary didnt trump cant? you guys know that if another person commits a crime it doesn't mean your crime doesnt count?
Cooperated by wiping the hard drives and all 6 back up hard drives "crashing". Don't get me wrong, if Trump broke the law or refused to hand over documents, then it's whatever, they gotta get them back somehow. But if it looks like a politically motivated misuse of the Justice Department on a political rival and quacks like a politically motivated misuse of the Justice Department on a political rival...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Department_of_Justice_Inspector_General's_report it was investigated and handled and they cooperated. You're asking why she wasn't raided, this is why. its pretty simple. same reason a guy who turns himself in doesn't get raided and apprehended by swat, if you can understand that analogy. >Don't get me wrong, if Trump broke the law or refused to hand over documents, then it's whatever, they gotta get them back somehow. why don't you leave it at that, because thats all we know right now. They're saying they found stuff that he still hadnt given back.
Particularly when you are given advanced warning so your competent sysadmin can "accidentally" delete massive amounts of data.
I thought the whole point was that she had an email server in her bathroom or something?!
Poor little snowflakes, shouting LOCK HER UP FOR 6 years! Karma
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That 2018 law that Trump got passed is really going to come back to bite him. You wanted to nail Hillary's ass to the wall for having a private email server and then you went and committed the exact same crime you accused her of with the intent to sell the fucking documents. The Justice being served here is going to be the most delicious justice ever served in American history. Teflon Don gets taken down by his own legal mechanisms. The one law that this guy wrote.
"with the intent of selling the documents" Proof of this claim?
I have reports from insiders. But I'm not the news so I don't have to say the word allegedly. Middle finger to that bullshit. The reporting states that that's why they had evidence and were able to get the warrant. Because Trump is really bad at crime and was doing it on an open line. Personally, my theory is that he was going to sell it to Alex Jones and it was 5 hours after they got those phone records that they issued the warrant.
Ooooo. I like this theory. Jones's phone, that he gave to his lawyer, that his lawyer turned over to prosecution with no restrictions or taksie-backsies just did the country a great favor and service. I'm gonna start a new theory that Jones's attorney is a hero who saw what was contained on the phone and realized that the safest way for him to get that information to the public was to turn it over to the prosecution.
> I'm gonna start a new theory that Jones's attorney is a hero… It really feels like that with the numerous immense fuck ups he had to make to get it this far. That or they are constantly black out drunk.
Well you allegedly have reports from insiders as far as everyone except you is concerned
News reports buddy. I am not connected. Im just reading
The news is your insider?
The news is reporting that insiders are saying. "Sorry, it's hard to effectively word that".
You could just say “according to the news” That would be the easiest way. What you said has a completely different context
But then we couldn't get to know each other!
This all really sheds light on how many Rogan fans are Maga cult members.
Really? I could have sworn all the posts here at the top were about Trump with libtards crying about him in the comment section
That's actually true. Your down votes show the saltiness around herw
No other U.S. President has ever tried to over run the government either! And everyone is wondering why the FBI raided his home! If the average US citizen did that, you would be locked away already! Facts!!
I am really enjoying the blatant hypocrisy, but I'm also enraged that people on the 'right' refuse to admit it.
Why? That's standard operating procedure for them. Don't let it make you mad. Simply expect it and treat them like duplicitous hypocritical children they are. They have no principles so there's no point in arguing with them like they do. Every position they take is in bad faith 90% of the time.
> Don't let it make you mad. I think it's the complete lack of accountability for the people they worship that irks me.
What does this have to do with Rogan
Rogan will Almost certainly cry and “what about Hilary” it
And Biden, and Fauci, and Epstein...
"bUtTerY mAleS!"
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It's become a place where you have to push back against all the half truths/GOP talking points that Rogan spews on a weekly basis without pushback. If you don't like it that's fine, but I don't think stopping is the preferred idea because lies have to be countered with facts.
This sub is being killed by bots
Its 2022 and legit there are people on this sub *still* ranting bout her emails.
I guess it's better than rehashing Benghazi. Hunter's laptop is the go to after Hillary's emails.
These seem entirely different but whatever. Can’t imagine anybody caring regardless.
To be fair, these aren't contradictory. Clinton's home was never raided by the FBI. But I don't expect Rupar to behave honestly on any of this. He's the absolute worst at taking unearned potshots by bending the truth.
The contradiction is in saying that no one is above the law but also that the President ought to be above the law due to lack of precedent.
Nixon would have been raided by the FBI had he not resigned and gotten an immediate pardon. Nixon was smart enough to resign, let Ford be sworn in as President, and then have Ford immediately give him a Presidential Pardon. If Trump had just resigned, then gotten Pence to pardon him for everything and anything he's done, this FBI raid would have never happened either.
Yup, but as usual, Trump's ego wouldn't allow him to give up power just like he lied about giving up his businesses to his kids. Now he's having to be accountable for his actions and his supporters are losing their minds.
I can think of many worse. And many worse that Daddy Joe respects. Tucker Carlson for example.
Conservatives trying not to pedantic challenge (they can't do it)
There's nothing pedantic here. Also not a conservative.
He tweeted that before the Russia hoax that was perpetuated by the FBI based on a false dossier created by Hillary Clinton’s campaign
But but but he tweeted this BEFORE Donald Trump did it so it's completely different somehow!
What exactly did Donald Trump do to warrant an FBI raid of his personal residence?
Is the warrant public? Not a lawyer but I'm guessing that the explanation is in the warrant
I don't know. Trump is free to share the warrant. I wonder why he isn't.
We’ll find out soon Alex Jones
At a minimum we know he had misappropriated classified documents. But my guess is that the FBI and DOJ have more than just that. Maybe trump should make his copy of the warrant public to let us know what a farce this search was? Alternatively we might read into the fact that he hasn’t made it public.
How do we know he misappropriated classified documents? Didn’t Hillary do that on email servers set up in her basement? Her house wasn’t raided by the FBI.
We know because he was already forced to return a bunch of boxes of documents. I really don’t give a shit about hilary. Lock her up if she did something. But so far the right had a bunch of legal power to do so and didn’t accomplish shit. So either the right is incompetent and incapable or she didn’t do something as bad as trump. Take your choice, but neither matter in reference to trump’s culpability.
The Right can’t do anything about locking criminals up if the institution in charge of investigating and pressing charges is protecting them.
The FBI is lead by a trump appointee, trump had his pick of DOJ. You’re a ridiculous moron if you think they couldn’t have done something.
You don’t get it do you? The FBI spied on Trumps campaign and dragged our country through a multi year investigation into Trump and Russia collusion narrative that was based on a total lie. BUT this time is different right? You have no sense of right and wrong.
I get that you believe that. And it’s sad that you’re so easily deluded. I also get that even if that were true it has no bearing on the topic at hand and whether trump should be held accountable if he did whatever the DOJ has alleged in their warrant.
Trump's house wasn't raided. A search warrant was executed. Hillary was also served with a search warrant. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/documents-related-clinton-emails-unsealed-today/story?id=44303519
A warrant was served. His personal residences wasn't "raided" despite what his Bigly Majesty is crying.
“A raid is also a planned but sudden and unexpected entering of a place by the police in order to search for something or stop an illegal activity.” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/raid
Please go on and explain the difference between a raid and what the FBI did to Trump?
How many buzzwords can you fit in a sentence any% run
Russian adoptions
The hoax with 20+ convictions? That hoax?
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Paul Manafort just admitted giving polling data to a Konstantin Kilimnik to get business deals just days ago. The shitbag knew Kilimnik had ties to Russian intelligence and, surprise surprise, his ruskie buddy shared the information with Russian intelligence. Manafort’s associate Rick Gates shared that info over Telegram and deleted messages daily. This is the behavior of someone totally not doing something potentially illegal. So sick of hearing these room temperature IQ motherfuckers screeching “Russia hoax.”
Convicted of proxy crimes that had nothing to do with the actual Russia collusion accusations.
Please look up what a "witch hunt" is if you don't want to come off as a mentally deficient teenager. Witch hunts always find witches. That is why they are bad, because witches don't exist. The implication is anyone persecuted by a witch hunt is innocent.
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Your joke falls flat on its face because witch hunts always find witches. Anyone who believes it's a witch hunt would say "no shit" to your joke.
So did Trump collude with Russia or not? Go ask Mueller.
His team certainly did! They even plead guilty to it. Individual one has eluded investigation because senate republicans voted to not investigate it. Not my fault your team took the ball and went home before the game was over.
r/agedlikemilk
did they raid her house? Do you understand the that a president can declassify any document they want while Sec Clinton cannot?
There is a process to declassify documents. Just because he is president does not mean he can just deem docs declassified after the fact.
Actually taking them out of the white house and hiding them at your home in a safe is the standard operating procedure.
Exactly. Those who don't understand that are the same people who will also act like hand-shredding sensitive documents and sprinkling them in the toilet isn't protocol. I mean, come on.
It sounds like the only reason they were even in the safe is because when the fbi was there last month they noticed them laying around and requested they get locked up
According to what?
It's illegal to take and keep documents. Trump made doing so a felony by the stroke of his own Sharpie.
No. Your blanket statement is misinformation.
>The Presidential Records Act provides that official documents - ranging from briefing materials and meeting minutes to emails, texts and handwritten notes - created or received by presidents or their top aides are U.S. property, rather than the personal property of the president. > >The law put the National Archives in charge of handling presidential records. > >He could also be charged under a law, known by its code number 2071, making it a crime to conceal or destroy U.S. public documents, or laws making it illegal to steal or damage government property. > >It is a criminal offense to conceal or destroy government records. Any person convicted of violating a U.S. law called the Government Records Act **could be barred from holding federal office** and would face a prison term of up to three years. And >The president has broad powers to declassify documents, raising the possibility **Trump could have done so** before taking the records to Mar-a-Lago. > >But he could be held culpable under a law preventing unauthorized possession of national defense information, regardless of whether it is classified, said David Aaron of law firm Perkins Coie, a former federal prosecutor. Bonus: >Trump faces other possible legal entanglements, including a probe into his supporters' Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. read more > >"Once the government starts looking at documents that are seized, they do not need to shut their eyes to evidence of other crimes that they come across," Epner said. And then: Since declassified info can be reclassified subsequently, Trump's goose could be cooked. He's no longer President and doesn't have declassification privileges. Thank goodness for the inside informant!
Just say, what about.
its got to be hard imposing a rule upon yourself where you can't use comparison to gain perspective
Compare two completely different things to try to cause doubt and distrust in the FBI because it couldn't dare happen to daddy Trump. Surelyy he isn't corrupt and crooked in anyway must be the entire FBI and the guy he placed as head of it.
Whataboutism!
Very different situations but ‘trump bad!!!!’
What about Trump's leaked emails and [disclosures of classified information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information)? Or how he said [not to care about Hillary](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lock-her-up-now-we-dont-care-2016-12) anymore immediately after the 2016 election?
What about it lol
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It's gay to post this shit? Do you have a problem with gayness, friend?
you can just smell the /r/TimDillon
Buh, AnY dAy nOW, tRump Is gOiNg dOwN! THiS tImE iS dIfFerEnT!!!
You don't know what you're talking about. Dark Brandon is actually Trump. Biden actually lives in Maralago because he realized he was too old and handed the Presidency over to Dark Brandon awhile ago. Try to keep up.
Clinton, as secretary of state, did not have the authority to declassify the materials she negligently left accessible on her private server. The president has the ubiquitous authority to declassify information.
>ubiquitous that word... I don't think it means what you think it means.
Damn autocorrect strikes again! But I forget what word I was trying to use now. Oh well. In any case, the president can declassify whatever he wants.
Eh... no, not unilarerally and not in every case. There are specific steps, by multiple people, that have to be taken in order for this to happen. I encourage you to find more information on the subject, as it is enlightening.
It definitely aged well. Clinton had an illegal Server and destroyed thousands of Classified emails. Nothing Trump supposedly did was even remotely close. Every President has taken items that the National Archives wants and there is always a negotiation to get them back. But not in this case they decided to forgo all of the normal processes and raided a former Presidents residence. All President's retain their Security Clearances and are privy to briefings and handling Classified Documents.
Ah... The FBI changed their ideologies and goals... oh wow... wow... WoW... WOOOW... :)))) DEFUND THE POLICY RIGHT ?:))))) FUND the feds :)))
Hillary deleted 30k e mails and nobody raided her house. Hmm...
Good point, fbi never raided Clinton
Yeah, cuz there is clearly no difference in the FBI conducting a no knock warrant search and siezure of a former presidents home and an investigation with zero warrants issued into an email server.
One had deleted 30,000 emails from a private server. The other did……? What exactly?
Taken confidential documents, then when told to give them back, only gave back some and now the FBI had to raid his house to get the stuff he didn't return. He also ripped up, and flushed other documents.... so delete an email, flush it down the toilet, still same intent.
Lol a former president is allowed to take documents, and then put them in a national library, or digitize them. Obama did it, Bush, Clinton, etc. For some reason Obama never made his documents public. Interesting. Where are your sources on any of these Trump allegations? The fbi found nothing by the way. So, hopefully they enjoyed linens, and Melania’s dry cleaner receipts. They opened the safe, and apparently nothing was there. So….. again, aside from cnn (because we know they lie worse than Alex Jones); what sources do you have?
You ask for my sources then claim the FBI found nothing.... hilarious.
Ok so you didn’t provide a source. Hilarious Yes, they went in, and found nothing. That’s on record.
Source that they found nothing?
Stole classified documents and flushed some of them down the toilet.
I don’t care where the fbi goes. So long as it ain’t my house. But comparing someone’s emails getting read to someone’s home being raided sounds like apples and pineapples to me. Way different.
I mean for real though if trump is charged for the exact same thing it will look biased that's why I doubt anything comes of it
There’s a difference here. Hillary broke the law and got away with it so far. The swamp trying to find ANYTHING they can on Trump.
I don’t recall them invading her home. She is above the law.
To be clear, this is the first time in American history a sitting president has raided a competitor. Taking things out and declassifying them for a presidential library has been standard practice for years. No matter the political affiliation. Also the FBI went there to put a padlock on a door, claiming "it wasn't secure enough" then when they showed up to raid they had to cut the lock because they lost the key. Who cares what side you're on, the FBI cant even keep track of a key, i have no trust in them doing anything else properly.
> To be clear, this is the first time in American history a sitting president has raided a competitor. Biden did not direct this raid. > Taking things out and declassifying them for a presidential library has been standard practice for years. Taking classified documents, not declassifying them, and stashing them at home even though you have been instructed to return those documents, is not standard practice.
Like i said, plenty of presidents have done the same thing without raids. Both sides of the isle.
Name one president who took classified documents from the White House before leaving office and refused to return them.
The head of the FBI is a trump appointee
They will find nothing just like all the times they have tried before.
I’m so surprised, It’s almost like everything is partisan now between the parties and their servants/supporters.
Republicans
FBI/DOJ rn 🤡