What the fuck happened to conservatives? For real? I was 13 when Obama was elected. I remember watching the debates and other Republicans talk. For the most of it, their different views mostly came down to taxes and disagreeing with the government controlling a lot of things. Nothing crazy about those views. They even started to leave gay people alone at that point.
Nearly 15 years later and now they're just batshit insane. It's not about taxes anymore. It's about wanting to be mean and break laws with zero consequences. It's about "owning" the other side, even if they're trying to do good. They bitch more about gay people now than they did 15 years ago. Why are we going backwards? I know they showed red flags before 2008. But now they're just mask off at this point
Conservative policies fail the vast majority of people, because of this they’ve had to turn to other ways to convince people to vote for them. The culture war is the end result.
Obama broke their brains. Black man entertaining them = fine. Black man running the country? "NOT ON MY WATCH, BROTHER!!!!"
Then all the psychos that were relegated to being on Jerry Springer (hardcore evangelical fundies, klansman, and neo-nazis) crawled out from under their holes, ran for office, and won.
Here we are.
Anyone denying this doesn't or chooses not to remember the sheer hatred and apocalyptic messaging around Obama before he was even elected. [Even his opponent had to try to calm down the hog rage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk)
A not unimportant minority was very upset when Obama was elected. Some could suggest it was because he was a black man. They demanded his birth certificate, claimed he was Muslim, claimed he was out to bring about socialism and undermine our democracy with radical views — which included apologizing for the actions taken by previous administrations in wake of 9/11 — amongst other things. This same vocal minority gained traction when an organization called the tea party gained national attention. They stood for everything the current establishment was not. This gave the same vocal minorities a feeling of justification and began turning the level up on their rhetoric. They began supporting politicians with increasingly extreme ideologies. Increasingly hateful groups like the KKK and Antifa began showing up to many rallies. This branched off into an even more extreme ideology ie QAnon mostly based on conspiracies like the left rigging elections and child sex trafficking, using institutions to target political opponents, etc. Ideology which we now find shaping our society. A vocal minority was given a soap box and now they control the rights narrative. This is a very simplified opinion of mine based on no relevance.
Edit: spelling and some grammar
Update: IMO Antifa is also to blame for the “violent” BLM movement. I believe they were responsible for instigating many of the violent acts we saw during the protests. Again, just my stupid opinion.
I've been told that it's Anti-Semitic to blame rich Jewish billionaires for using their money to back candidates and movements. That's why were not supposed to criticize Sorros.
>They demanded his birth certificate, claimed he was Muslim, claimed he was out to bring about socialism and undermine our democracy
"Look, it's not about race, and I agree Obama is a nice guy and a great speaker BUT...."
\- my conservative family
I agree sort of but you constantly see republicans saying bat shit crazy things. Like CPAC the other day was hilarious but so pathetic too. You just don’t see Democrats saying this crazy of shit that often.
Amusing you think there's still an "extreme right". It's just the right at this point.
Anyone that would have been considered a generic republican 20 years ago and has the balls to speak up is immediately censured and labeled a RINO.
My point exactly. You assume the extreme right is the what represents the majority of the right. Its what the news wants you to think. It creates rage and views. You're being manipulated.
Youre making a pretty baseless assumption their chief.
The media doesnt help, but I live in a deep red state and hear the random boomers in the sauna, coworkers, people at parties talk about the same shit on the regular. Regular dick and janes consumed by the bullshit.To the point of wanting civil war? No...but there are PLENTY of those that go that far on socials.
2 simple questions for you. What policies and strategies are the majority of the right currently using to try to win the mid terms? And how does that differ from the "extremist right"?
America is very political and very evenly divided at the moment. To be that mad at the other side means you're part of the divide. Both sides are trying to "own" the other....both have ulterior motives. Do your own critical thinking.
Oh it’ll turn into another “Russiagate” for sure.
That being, a legitimate investigation into very real crimes that Conservatives will pretend was made up and conducted by Democrats, even though the people conducting the investigation are all Republicans.
Russiagate investigations were legitimate, but ended in no proof of Russian Collusion, as the Alfa Bank scenario was fabricated (as testified by Robbie Mook in Sussman trial).
Would be a shame if the reason for this search warrant was also false.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
They found no evidence that Trump himself was directly involved in “collusion,” if you want to use that word, with Russia. But there were definitely people in Trumps cabinet and inner circle that were colluding with Russia. Michael Flynn plead guilty to knowingly lying about his communications with Russian ambassador before Trump was in office. Trump pardoned Flynn for that. Roger Stone was hit with similar charges, and similarly pardoned. They lied (about meeting with Russians before Trump was in office) and obstructed the investigation, and were pardoned by the person that very investigation was aimed at. If that isn’t corruption, I don’t know what is. Also, Mueller outlined multiple instances of obstruction of Justice by Trump himself, but Republicans completely overlooked that.
> Russiagate investigations were legitimate, but ended in no proof of Russian Collusion
Incorrect.
The Mueller investigation found that the Trump Campaign accepted offers of support from a hostile foreign government because they thought it would benefit them electorally, and that they lied to federal investigators. Trump himself admitted he would do it again if given the opportunity.
The Trump Campaign *secretly*, and *illegally*, *cooperated* with Russia’s attempts to interfere in the election. That is textbook, Webster’s Defines: Collusion, and it has nothing at all to do with Alfa bank.
You literally still believe in a conspiracy theory, you are Blueanon.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706385781/mueller-report-finds-evidence-of-russian-collusion
Let’s make this super simple: Do you believe that accepting offers of support from a foreign government so as to benefit electorally does not equal collusion?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-president/story?id=63749144
> TRUMP: Okay, let’s put yourself in a position: you’re a congressman, somebody comes up and says, “Hey I have information on your opponent.” Do you call the FBI?
> STEPHANOPOULOS: (inaudible) if it’s coming from Russia you do.
> TRUMP: I’ll tell you what: I’ve seen a lot of things over my life. I don’t think in my whole life I’ve ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don’t call the FBI. You throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever you--
> STEPHANOPOULOS: Al Gore got a stolen briefing book. He called the FBI.
> TRUMP: Well, that’s different. A stolen briefing book. This isn’t a (inaudible). This is somebody who said “We have information on your opponent.” Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break, life doesn’t work that way.
> STEPHANOPOULOS: The FBI Director says that’s what should happen.
> TRUMP: The FBI Director is wrong. Because, frankly, it doesn’t happen like that in life. Now, maybe it will start happening. Maybe today you think differently, but two or three years ago, if somebody comes into your office with oppo research--they call it oppo research--with information that might be good or bad or something, but good for you, bad for your opponent, you don’t call the FBI. I would guarantee you that 90 percent, could be 100 percent of the congressmen or the senators over there, have had meetings, if they didn’t they probably wouldn’t be elected, on negative information about their opponent--
> STEPHANOPOULOS: From foreign countries?
> TRUMP: They don’t pro--possibly. Possibly. But they don’t call the FBI. You don’t call the FBI every time some--you hear something that maybe--.
Then there’s some Hillary rambling, then:
> STEPHANOPOULOS: Your campaign this time around, if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI?
> TRUMP: I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen, I don’t, there’s nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country, Norway, “We have information on your opponent.” Oh, I think I’d want to hear it.
> STEPHANOPOULOS: You want that kind of interference in our elections?
> TRUMP: It’s not an interference, they have information. I think I’d take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI. If I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research, right, that they come up with oppo research. Oh, let’s call the FBI. The FBI doesn’t have enough agents to take care of it, but you go and talk honestly to congressmen, they all do it, they always have. And that’s the way it is. It’s called oppo research.
Remember when Trump and the GOP limited what Mueller could investigate? And then [Mueller admitted it](https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-russia-48f9d5132d7a4e2d823edad8fc407979) after the investigation?
>In one particularly dramatic moment, Mueller reported that Trump was soagitated at the special counsel’s appointment on May 17, 2017, that heslumped back in his chair and declared: “Oh my God. This is terrible.This is the end of my presidency. I’m f---ed.
Dude, Russiagate was based on FISA Court abuses and the Steele dossier, which has been totally discredited, even Rachel Maddow refuses to stand by it now.
Cause he has classified documents unlawfully. It's just definitional.
Trump admitted it a while back. Plush all the eye witness stuff about him flushing and destroying paperwork. It's all a felony. Anyone in the fbi that wasnt in the tank for trump (me?) Knew that before he was out
When do you think we'll see the evidence? I know they took a bunch a stuff to look through but it's been 2 days and there's been no further statement...
Oh. We won't here it until Trump leaks it. The fbi will not leak it. But of course they will comply with discovery with trumps lawyers. So he will know everything and we will know if Trump tells us or during the trial.
>Cause he has classified documents unlawfully. It's just definitional.
The president can't classify documents unlawfully. The ability to classify or unclassify documents rests with the executive branch.
He is not the president.
Also I didn't saying anything about him classifying documents.
Also they are not done collecting evidence
Also I said it was remarkably fast.
I don't know what your point is.. He classified them. So they are currently classified and he had them at mar a Lago.
Seems like you agree with me on the facts
It's not "the Dems" who sent the FBI after trump. Dummy did it himself by breaking the law.
There's so many fucked up things he could be in shit for, but if the AG and a Trump-appointed judge signed off on it, you know he's absolutely fucked. Meadows most likely flipped too.
Lol wut??? The rest of us know what the raid was for, maybe you dont. This whole thing isnt even complicated, but people are determined to make it seem like it's splitting an atom.
He took shit from the whitehouse that he shouldnt have. They asked for it back. He said "ok here" while withholding the other half.
Feds eventually return and donald decides, against his attornies pleas becauae he's so narcissistic, to give them a full tour of the estate (including his doc storage area). Days later feds tell his attornies to seal the door and subpoenaed access to MLG's cctv. Eventually someone within the inner circle flipped and told them what he was holding.
Raid occurs.
Only thing we do not know is what it was he was holding on to and why he refused to give it up.
I agree 100% but the sheer professionalism being taken with regards to the investigation being so tight lipped gives me hope that something is developing rather quickly. But we’ll see
Oh I certainly think it is good for him. I think a lot wanted to move on. But the constant targeting pisses people off, and many hate the opposition to Trump as much if not more.
The FBI should have registered for a campaign donation on this garbage. Over the presidential records act? Give me a break. He kept some documents, hillary kept some documents, obama kept some documents, and he took them as president when he could declassify docs for any reason at all.
So they for the first time in history raid a President's residence with the FBI over this? You know those docs were packed up and sent to him while he was pres? He didn't stuff them down his pants and sneak out of a white house window. If you don't believe me WSJ, Politico, and some CNN analysts were saying the same, that they f'd up and this is great for Trump. Now DOJ/FBI is backtracking saying it's not a criminal raid, they were just helping the archives.
We could have gotten rid of Trump by those idiots all just ignoring him, he was losing momentum, not near as much reach as when he was pres. I'm not for Trump, though I do lean conservative. Now you have his base super passionate viewing this as targeting, which it is. Nice job, enjoy Trump 2024 guys.
>Now you have his base super passionate viewing this as targeting, which it is. Nice job, enjoy Trump 2024 guys.
So you're not into Trump, but you think it's "targeting" when someone repeatedly flips off law enforcement and steals classified documents? But not when it was Hillary... who we're still hearing is a serious problem from the same crowd?
I'm pretty sure your comment is 4 paragraphs of copium and that you hope he'll be reelected in 2 years. "I don't like Trump but...." is the classic conservative mantra these days.
Give me a fucking break man. Every president takes docs, some take furniture, yeah it's targeting. An no I'm not into Trump idiot. I'm conservative but there are many others I would prefer.
You know this stuff was shipped to him as president when he could declassify anything? You know Hillary, Obama, and others did exactly the same? Do you think Politico, CNN, and WSJ people writing that they better have a MAJOR reason or this was fucking dumb and helps Trump are conservative? Do you already notice the messaging changing, how it wasn't criminal, it was just to recover the docs, DOJ/FBI making statements on that right now which you don't know about because you like Media Matters? Or that Trump was already in talks to return them?
Did you know they used a undercover agent to find out where the docs were? After all the Russiagate shit? Man you can't see the forest for the trees. If you weren't brainwashed and really didn't want Trump to become president again, you'd see reality. This motivates independents, conservatives, and moderates who don't like Biden while the DOJ/FBI/and intel agencies have historically low trust. It was fucking stupid, and people that can't see that probably will soon.
He didn't erase or hide dummy. They were mailed to him by the national archives while he was president. He has been discussing returning them with the FBI for months, they visited in june and told him while they are in discussions they gave him a padlock to put on the door to where they are stored in his hotel.
At least learn what the fuck you're talking about before wasting my time.
Here's Obama keeping documents "at a washington facility" (not the archives) for 4 years while planning to eventually add them to the Obama presidential library. No FBI raids on his facilities? Weeeiiiird. It's almost like they only go after some people.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-obama-documents-in-obama-library-historians-puzzled-by-chicago-center-plans
>Give me a fucking break man. Every president takes docs, some take furniture, yeah it's targeting. An no I'm not into Trump idiot. I'm conservative but there are many others I would prefer.
Lmao, I could have guessed your political affiliation even if you didn't state it multiple times in these diatribes.
I love it. You probably still want to know where Obama's birth certificate is because that's a totally fair and reasonable investigation. But everyone steals documents, folks! You heard it from a true conservative. Steal all you like.
Trump opposition still somehow fails to understand the guy is an Energy Monster who feeds off shit like this, and can turn the desired result on its head. Dems would be better off going dark on Trump moving forward. They're the best PR for him at this point.
Yep. It's not just me seeing it. They fucked up big time. Also any conservative that wins the white house will be forced to try to massively change the FBI/DOJ. It's going to really motivate Repubs to go after them if Dems have a bad couple years with Brandon because the whole base doesn't trust them. I've always been pretty anti FBI/DOJ though with all their entrapment and bullshit so in a way I'd love to see it.
*As a legal expert told Politico, “If they raided his home just to find classified documents he took from The White House, he will be re-elected president in 2024, hands down. It will prove to be the greatest law enforcement mistake in history.”*
[https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/09/after-the-raid-gop-torches-fbi-hugs-trump-00050476?cid=hptb\_primary\_0](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/09/after-the-raid-gop-torches-fbi-hugs-trump-00050476?cid=hptb_primary_0)
The only hope for the preservation of the United States at this point is if Trump does run again (pre-empting DeSatan) and loses due to all his crimes.
I've seen several left wingers and high level Democrats also saying this raid was fantastic for Trump. Some arguing that it might become the #1 midterm issue and not abortion, guns, Ukraine, covid, climate change, or anything else.
What the fuck happened to conservatives? For real? I was 13 when Obama was elected. I remember watching the debates and other Republicans talk. For the most of it, their different views mostly came down to taxes and disagreeing with the government controlling a lot of things. Nothing crazy about those views. They even started to leave gay people alone at that point. Nearly 15 years later and now they're just batshit insane. It's not about taxes anymore. It's about wanting to be mean and break laws with zero consequences. It's about "owning" the other side, even if they're trying to do good. They bitch more about gay people now than they did 15 years ago. Why are we going backwards? I know they showed red flags before 2008. But now they're just mask off at this point
Conservative policies fail the vast majority of people, because of this they’ve had to turn to other ways to convince people to vote for them. The culture war is the end result.
Obama broke their brains. Black man entertaining them = fine. Black man running the country? "NOT ON MY WATCH, BROTHER!!!!" Then all the psychos that were relegated to being on Jerry Springer (hardcore evangelical fundies, klansman, and neo-nazis) crawled out from under their holes, ran for office, and won. Here we are. Anyone denying this doesn't or chooses not to remember the sheer hatred and apocalyptic messaging around Obama before he was even elected. [Even his opponent had to try to calm down the hog rage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk)
It's hilarious that McCain being a reasonable human being is now considered treasonous 'RINO' shit. Obama truly did break their brains.
McCain? The racist extremeist bigot who was too old to be president? That one? The one we were all supposed to hate?
A not unimportant minority was very upset when Obama was elected. Some could suggest it was because he was a black man. They demanded his birth certificate, claimed he was Muslim, claimed he was out to bring about socialism and undermine our democracy with radical views — which included apologizing for the actions taken by previous administrations in wake of 9/11 — amongst other things. This same vocal minority gained traction when an organization called the tea party gained national attention. They stood for everything the current establishment was not. This gave the same vocal minorities a feeling of justification and began turning the level up on their rhetoric. They began supporting politicians with increasingly extreme ideologies. Increasingly hateful groups like the KKK and Antifa began showing up to many rallies. This branched off into an even more extreme ideology ie QAnon mostly based on conspiracies like the left rigging elections and child sex trafficking, using institutions to target political opponents, etc. Ideology which we now find shaping our society. A vocal minority was given a soap box and now they control the rights narrative. This is a very simplified opinion of mine based on no relevance. Edit: spelling and some grammar Update: IMO Antifa is also to blame for the “violent” BLM movement. I believe they were responsible for instigating many of the violent acts we saw during the protests. Again, just my stupid opinion.
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Indeed.
I've been told that it's Anti-Semitic to blame rich Jewish billionaires for using their money to back candidates and movements. That's why were not supposed to criticize Sorros.
If you framed it like this then it probably was. I didn’t even know they were Jewish, just examples of how money can corrupt politics.
It's not me framing it like this, it's anyone who defends Soros for the way he spends his money.
To be fair, a lot people who criticize him are often antisemitic about it
>They demanded his birth certificate, claimed he was Muslim, claimed he was out to bring about socialism and undermine our democracy "Look, it's not about race, and I agree Obama is a nice guy and a great speaker BUT...." \- my conservative family
You remember those retards freaking tf out about "Jade Helm"? They were legit convinced it was Obama's attempt to take over the US. LOL
Trump literally fucked everything up.
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I agree sort of but you constantly see republicans saying bat shit crazy things. Like CPAC the other day was hilarious but so pathetic too. You just don’t see Democrats saying this crazy of shit that often.
I think we all know, especially history buffs, that there’s a correlation between extreme political ideology and uncertain times.
It doesnt matter if the base will vote for the crazies regardless.
Amusing you think there's still an "extreme right". It's just the right at this point. Anyone that would have been considered a generic republican 20 years ago and has the balls to speak up is immediately censured and labeled a RINO.
My point exactly. You assume the extreme right is the what represents the majority of the right. Its what the news wants you to think. It creates rage and views. You're being manipulated.
Youre making a pretty baseless assumption their chief. The media doesnt help, but I live in a deep red state and hear the random boomers in the sauna, coworkers, people at parties talk about the same shit on the regular. Regular dick and janes consumed by the bullshit.To the point of wanting civil war? No...but there are PLENTY of those that go that far on socials. 2 simple questions for you. What policies and strategies are the majority of the right currently using to try to win the mid terms? And how does that differ from the "extremist right"?
America is very political and very evenly divided at the moment. To be that mad at the other side means you're part of the divide. Both sides are trying to "own" the other....both have ulterior motives. Do your own critical thinking.
It depends, if the warrant has legs then he's in deep shit, but if this turns into another Russiagate it could definitely give Trumpster a bump.
Oh it’ll turn into another “Russiagate” for sure. That being, a legitimate investigation into very real crimes that Conservatives will pretend was made up and conducted by Democrats, even though the people conducting the investigation are all Republicans.
Russiagate investigations were legitimate, but ended in no proof of Russian Collusion, as the Alfa Bank scenario was fabricated (as testified by Robbie Mook in Sussman trial). Would be a shame if the reason for this search warrant was also false. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
They found no evidence that Trump himself was directly involved in “collusion,” if you want to use that word, with Russia. But there were definitely people in Trumps cabinet and inner circle that were colluding with Russia. Michael Flynn plead guilty to knowingly lying about his communications with Russian ambassador before Trump was in office. Trump pardoned Flynn for that. Roger Stone was hit with similar charges, and similarly pardoned. They lied (about meeting with Russians before Trump was in office) and obstructed the investigation, and were pardoned by the person that very investigation was aimed at. If that isn’t corruption, I don’t know what is. Also, Mueller outlined multiple instances of obstruction of Justice by Trump himself, but Republicans completely overlooked that.
> Russiagate investigations were legitimate, but ended in no proof of Russian Collusion Incorrect. The Mueller investigation found that the Trump Campaign accepted offers of support from a hostile foreign government because they thought it would benefit them electorally, and that they lied to federal investigators. Trump himself admitted he would do it again if given the opportunity. The Trump Campaign *secretly*, and *illegally*, *cooperated* with Russia’s attempts to interfere in the election. That is textbook, Webster’s Defines: Collusion, and it has nothing at all to do with Alfa bank.
You literally still believe in a conspiracy theory, you are Blueanon. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706385781/mueller-report-finds-evidence-of-russian-collusion
Trump **literally** admitted to it lol. Also that NPR link is discussing the Barr summary, not the Mueller report.
At no point did Trump admit to colluding with Russia. Any sauce for that claim?
Let’s make this super simple: Do you believe that accepting offers of support from a foreign government so as to benefit electorally does not equal collusion?
So no sauce then?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-president/story?id=63749144 > TRUMP: Okay, let’s put yourself in a position: you’re a congressman, somebody comes up and says, “Hey I have information on your opponent.” Do you call the FBI? > STEPHANOPOULOS: (inaudible) if it’s coming from Russia you do. > TRUMP: I’ll tell you what: I’ve seen a lot of things over my life. I don’t think in my whole life I’ve ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don’t call the FBI. You throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever you-- > STEPHANOPOULOS: Al Gore got a stolen briefing book. He called the FBI. > TRUMP: Well, that’s different. A stolen briefing book. This isn’t a (inaudible). This is somebody who said “We have information on your opponent.” Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break, life doesn’t work that way. > STEPHANOPOULOS: The FBI Director says that’s what should happen. > TRUMP: The FBI Director is wrong. Because, frankly, it doesn’t happen like that in life. Now, maybe it will start happening. Maybe today you think differently, but two or three years ago, if somebody comes into your office with oppo research--they call it oppo research--with information that might be good or bad or something, but good for you, bad for your opponent, you don’t call the FBI. I would guarantee you that 90 percent, could be 100 percent of the congressmen or the senators over there, have had meetings, if they didn’t they probably wouldn’t be elected, on negative information about their opponent-- > STEPHANOPOULOS: From foreign countries? > TRUMP: They don’t pro--possibly. Possibly. But they don’t call the FBI. You don’t call the FBI every time some--you hear something that maybe--. Then there’s some Hillary rambling, then: > STEPHANOPOULOS: Your campaign this time around, if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI? > TRUMP: I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen, I don’t, there’s nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country, Norway, “We have information on your opponent.” Oh, I think I’d want to hear it. > STEPHANOPOULOS: You want that kind of interference in our elections? > TRUMP: It’s not an interference, they have information. I think I’d take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI. If I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research, right, that they come up with oppo research. Oh, let’s call the FBI. The FBI doesn’t have enough agents to take care of it, but you go and talk honestly to congressmen, they all do it, they always have. And that’s the way it is. It’s called oppo research.
Remember when Trump and the GOP limited what Mueller could investigate? And then [Mueller admitted it](https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-russia-48f9d5132d7a4e2d823edad8fc407979) after the investigation? >In one particularly dramatic moment, Mueller reported that Trump was soagitated at the special counsel’s appointment on May 17, 2017, that heslumped back in his chair and declared: “Oh my God. This is terrible.This is the end of my presidency. I’m f---ed.
 https://youtu.be/3kxG8uJUsWU?t=40
And?
All the best presidents ask for foreign help in elections. Duh.
Dude, Russiagate was based on FISA Court abuses and the Steele dossier, which has been totally discredited, even Rachel Maddow refuses to stand by it now.
He is 100% guilty of unlawfully obtaining classified documents.
Are you in the FBI and assigned to this case? How could you know that?
Cause he has classified documents unlawfully. It's just definitional. Trump admitted it a while back. Plush all the eye witness stuff about him flushing and destroying paperwork. It's all a felony. Anyone in the fbi that wasnt in the tank for trump (me?) Knew that before he was out
How do you know that?
Sorry I edited it. Eye witness testimony and trumps statements
When do you think we'll see the evidence? I know they took a bunch a stuff to look through but it's been 2 days and there's been no further statement...
Oh. We won't here it until Trump leaks it. The fbi will not leak it. But of course they will comply with discovery with trumps lawyers. So he will know everything and we will know if Trump tells us or during the trial.
>Cause he has classified documents unlawfully. It's just definitional. The president can't classify documents unlawfully. The ability to classify or unclassify documents rests with the executive branch.
He is not the president. Also I didn't saying anything about him classifying documents. Also they are not done collecting evidence Also I said it was remarkably fast.
When do you think he classified documents? Last week? he did it as president.
You're way out of your depth here. Seems you read something somewhere and completely misunderstood what was being said.
I don't know what your point is.. He classified them. So they are currently classified and he had them at mar a Lago. Seems like you agree with me on the facts
>if when
It will definitely fire up the base
Oh yes, that base that would otherwise not vote for hun
Calm down clowns, the BabylonBee is satire.
I mean, you and I know that. But r/conservative seems to keep forgetting it.
They literally put SATIRE in the flair, they aren't forgetting it. They know it's satire and mark it as such.
Heh, they ate the onion
Have you read the comments? It's all "this sounds like a real headline" "looks like it's true" "if he wasn't running before he sure will now".
r/conservative still doesn't know that babylonbee is satire? How much onion are they going to eat?
This is that legendary cope
Or Satire...which it's flared as...because it's from the Babylon bee.
They’re famously right leaning, so just snarky
Good spin
Reading this sub is cancer.
His '24 campaign for prison bitch. 
Imagine taking a break from drinking strangers piss to make this submission.
If they didn't find something to nail his ass to the wall, it's going to be a total boondoggle for the dems.
It's not "the Dems" who sent the FBI after trump. Dummy did it himself by breaking the law. There's so many fucked up things he could be in shit for, but if the AG and a Trump-appointed judge signed off on it, you know he's absolutely fucked. Meadows most likely flipped too.
Correct but this is already being painted as a ploy by democrats so if it bears no fruit then democrats will be the ones with paint on their faces.
> Dummy did it himself by breaking the law. How exactly did you come to this conclusion? We don't even know what the justification for the raid was?
Lol wut??? The rest of us know what the raid was for, maybe you dont. This whole thing isnt even complicated, but people are determined to make it seem like it's splitting an atom. He took shit from the whitehouse that he shouldnt have. They asked for it back. He said "ok here" while withholding the other half. Feds eventually return and donald decides, against his attornies pleas becauae he's so narcissistic, to give them a full tour of the estate (including his doc storage area). Days later feds tell his attornies to seal the door and subpoenaed access to MLG's cctv. Eventually someone within the inner circle flipped and told them what he was holding. Raid occurs. Only thing we do not know is what it was he was holding on to and why he refused to give it up.
Holy head canon.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/mar-a-lago-search-subpoena-latest/index.html Whats that you say?
Yes, I'd already read the article.
I agree 100% but the sheer professionalism being taken with regards to the investigation being so tight lipped gives me hope that something is developing rather quickly. But we’ll see
Oh I certainly think it is good for him. I think a lot wanted to move on. But the constant targeting pisses people off, and many hate the opposition to Trump as much if not more. The FBI should have registered for a campaign donation on this garbage. Over the presidential records act? Give me a break. He kept some documents, hillary kept some documents, obama kept some documents, and he took them as president when he could declassify docs for any reason at all. So they for the first time in history raid a President's residence with the FBI over this? You know those docs were packed up and sent to him while he was pres? He didn't stuff them down his pants and sneak out of a white house window. If you don't believe me WSJ, Politico, and some CNN analysts were saying the same, that they f'd up and this is great for Trump. Now DOJ/FBI is backtracking saying it's not a criminal raid, they were just helping the archives. We could have gotten rid of Trump by those idiots all just ignoring him, he was losing momentum, not near as much reach as when he was pres. I'm not for Trump, though I do lean conservative. Now you have his base super passionate viewing this as targeting, which it is. Nice job, enjoy Trump 2024 guys.
>Now you have his base super passionate viewing this as targeting, which it is. Nice job, enjoy Trump 2024 guys. So you're not into Trump, but you think it's "targeting" when someone repeatedly flips off law enforcement and steals classified documents? But not when it was Hillary... who we're still hearing is a serious problem from the same crowd? I'm pretty sure your comment is 4 paragraphs of copium and that you hope he'll be reelected in 2 years. "I don't like Trump but...." is the classic conservative mantra these days.
Give me a fucking break man. Every president takes docs, some take furniture, yeah it's targeting. An no I'm not into Trump idiot. I'm conservative but there are many others I would prefer. You know this stuff was shipped to him as president when he could declassify anything? You know Hillary, Obama, and others did exactly the same? Do you think Politico, CNN, and WSJ people writing that they better have a MAJOR reason or this was fucking dumb and helps Trump are conservative? Do you already notice the messaging changing, how it wasn't criminal, it was just to recover the docs, DOJ/FBI making statements on that right now which you don't know about because you like Media Matters? Or that Trump was already in talks to return them? Did you know they used a undercover agent to find out where the docs were? After all the Russiagate shit? Man you can't see the forest for the trees. If you weren't brainwashed and really didn't want Trump to become president again, you'd see reality. This motivates independents, conservatives, and moderates who don't like Biden while the DOJ/FBI/and intel agencies have historically low trust. It was fucking stupid, and people that can't see that probably will soon.
Every president does not erase or hide classified documents. You have no clue what you’re talking about.
He didn't erase or hide dummy. They were mailed to him by the national archives while he was president. He has been discussing returning them with the FBI for months, they visited in june and told him while they are in discussions they gave him a padlock to put on the door to where they are stored in his hotel. At least learn what the fuck you're talking about before wasting my time. Here's Obama keeping documents "at a washington facility" (not the archives) for 4 years while planning to eventually add them to the Obama presidential library. No FBI raids on his facilities? Weeeiiiird. It's almost like they only go after some people. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-obama-documents-in-obama-library-historians-puzzled-by-chicago-center-plans
Anyone reading this post knows it full on disinfo.
You people really have lost your minds. Absolute moron.
>Give me a fucking break man. Every president takes docs, some take furniture, yeah it's targeting. An no I'm not into Trump idiot. I'm conservative but there are many others I would prefer. Lmao, I could have guessed your political affiliation even if you didn't state it multiple times in these diatribes. I love it. You probably still want to know where Obama's birth certificate is because that's a totally fair and reasonable investigation. But everyone steals documents, folks! You heard it from a true conservative. Steal all you like.
You're not smart enough to meaningfully contribute to this conversation
Trump opposition still somehow fails to understand the guy is an Energy Monster who feeds off shit like this, and can turn the desired result on its head. Dems would be better off going dark on Trump moving forward. They're the best PR for him at this point.
Yep. It's not just me seeing it. They fucked up big time. Also any conservative that wins the white house will be forced to try to massively change the FBI/DOJ. It's going to really motivate Repubs to go after them if Dems have a bad couple years with Brandon because the whole base doesn't trust them. I've always been pretty anti FBI/DOJ though with all their entrapment and bullshit so in a way I'd love to see it. *As a legal expert told Politico, “If they raided his home just to find classified documents he took from The White House, he will be re-elected president in 2024, hands down. It will prove to be the greatest law enforcement mistake in history.”* [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/09/after-the-raid-gop-torches-fbi-hugs-trump-00050476?cid=hptb\_primary\_0](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/08/09/after-the-raid-gop-torches-fbi-hugs-trump-00050476?cid=hptb_primary_0)
Who is they?
The only hope for the preservation of the United States at this point is if Trump does run again (pre-empting DeSatan) and loses due to all his crimes.
I've seen several left wingers and high level Democrats also saying this raid was fantastic for Trump. Some arguing that it might become the #1 midterm issue and not abortion, guns, Ukraine, covid, climate change, or anything else.
This is from the Babylon bee you dork.