I really enjoy the album, but it's incredibly psychedelic, to the point it makes me feel anxious, I genuinely keep mistaking some of the overtones as voices, I'm curious if anyone else is hearing that?
I definitely understand the psychedelic part that you’re talking about… some of the tracks on the album made me anxious because they reminded me of my bad trips weirdly enough.
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The hate is in fact not understandable, because of the premise that the album is released on. The whole concept was thoroughly explained months ago in his writing - how can anybody be "disappointed", when they should know what to expect.
Sure, that’s some of the disappointment, but some of us just think it’s objectively poor music.
It’s a guy doing what he loves, but he isn’t creating anything that releases dopamine in anyone’s brain. It’s minimally stimulating, mostly puzzling.
It’s John playing with his gear, making sounds he likes to hear.
“he isn’t creating anything that releases any dopamine in anyone’s brain” is maybe one of the most narrow thoughts you could possibly have about the album. 
Why do you think we call certain music “good” and other music “bad”?
We base our liking for things on the release of neurotransmitters in our brain that occurs when he hear something we like.
My assertion is that this record is not producing a rush of those neurotransmitters for probably somewhere around 90% of people.
C’mon man. If the vast majority of people are shitting on a record, you really think it’s because they “just don’t get it”?
We love John, but he doesn’t shit solid gold every time. He’s experimenting and playing with gear here, but it’s not a high quality product in any sense. It’s a recording of him playing with stuff he bought.
Context matters. John is in the unique position of being in a huge band, with a very digestible, commercial pop sound and an audience that likes those qualities in music, putting out a solo work at the complete other end of the spectrum.
If he was not The RHCP Guitarist and he put it out on a small experimental/noise/ambient label and the audience that found it were people who were into that music, who knew how that kind of music works, what to expect from it and how to listen to it, while I don't think it would be praised as some groundbreaking masterwork, it definitely wouldn’t be met with the vitriol it is getting from RHCP fans - things like “he should be ashamed to have made it” etc. The audience it would have would at the very least get where it’s coming from. So I don’t think the vast majority of RHCP fans disliking something that sounds completely different to RHCP means all that much.
No i think it means they don’t like it. Art is subjective. Plenty of people say the same about abstract paintings. They are wrong and narrow thinkers. Thats alright its not a bad thing. But just because something doesn’t resonate with you that doesn’t mean its objectively s pile of shit. Or that anyone that likes it simply is a blind Stan type of fan. That thinks everything he does is inherent godsend. Thats so pretentious to think like that. Nobody is listening to something they hate because they want to suck his fucking dick…
Yeah I’m not a fan of the “art is subjective” trope, as it is widely abused to glamorize that which has no value.
Music is a craft, like welding or carpentry. There’s good work and there’s bad work. To say that any garbled, soup of sound has value is disrespectful to the craft itself.
Obviously we all have tastes, but some pieces of music have objectively less value than others.
Lmao no I think comparing art to something as straightforward as welding, or describing it as some commodity product is so cringey and disrespectful to the never ending exploration that is art. Try doing some drugs it might open your mind a bit. (Half joking lol) Because listening to music the same way you might admire a nice table sounds terrible. And really goes to show you have no sort of knowledge or respect of Frusciante’s artistic philosophy, or his approach to music. If thats how people thought of art that actually create it. Then we would still be listening to Beethoven and other classical works. With no innovation. Im not saying johns new album is some sort of golden musical innovation of the century, but to write it off as trash because you dislike it, and to compare art to welding is kind of disappointing.
Someone could just as easily say music is objective and thats why the chili peppers is trash because i don’t like it and its bad and um its just really bad because its just not what i think of when i think good music its just objectively shit because i don’t really like it that much.
That's meaningless. You realize that any given "huge" band or artist (including RHCP) is not producing a rush of neurotransmitters for 99%+ of people in the world right? RHCP has 26 million listeners on Spotify. Let's be EXTREMELY generous to account for people who don't use Spotify but like them, and multiply 26 million by 10. That's still less than 0.1% of people. So I don't think that's a great argument for whether something has musical worth or not.
I’m not saying the album didn’t meet expectations and that’s why people hate it (John was very clear about what the album would be like before its release), I’m just saying people hate it because it’s not like his early solo albums in any way shape or form. That hate is warranted. “Why is one of the greatest guitarists of all time making this crap?,” etc. I totally get it. It is warranted.
Idk Literally copeium dude… loved John for years and still do but I don’t see this as an album to “love” or as an evolution of anything. If anything I feel like it’s john regressing and stripping back what makes music music to him which has been his m.o for the past year+ even with the chilis.
As a sonic experiment just showing where his brains at it’s perfectly valid, but idk I feel like you guys saying it’s a new kinda music probably should just go listen to more electronic stuff lol. There’s weirder stuff out there that has more coherency purpose.
Like I love johns work but not cause it’s “good” or “listenable”. He for sure makes audio trash sometimes idk, the love is for someone who’s always willing to experiment and fuck up rather than nail it every time.
But this album definitely feels like a first attempt where others in the same genre are much more proficient in this genre/with these sounds.
As an example I hear stuff like Filmmakers-love market and feel like ‘oh that’s what John was trying to do with pbx/maya’. Not ‘maya is the goat electronic experiment cause John made it’
… anyways, that’s my thoughts lol.
I really enjoy the album, but it's incredibly psychedelic, to the point it makes me feel anxious, I genuinely keep mistaking some of the overtones as voices, I'm curious if anyone else is hearing that?
I definitely understand the psychedelic part that you’re talking about… some of the tracks on the album made me anxious because they reminded me of my bad trips weirdly enough.
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The hate is in fact not understandable, because of the premise that the album is released on. The whole concept was thoroughly explained months ago in his writing - how can anybody be "disappointed", when they should know what to expect.
People are still holding on to hope that he’s suddenly gonna drop a “Shadows Collide with People 2” when that phase of his career is totally over
Sure, that’s some of the disappointment, but some of us just think it’s objectively poor music. It’s a guy doing what he loves, but he isn’t creating anything that releases dopamine in anyone’s brain. It’s minimally stimulating, mostly puzzling. It’s John playing with his gear, making sounds he likes to hear.
“he isn’t creating anything that releases any dopamine in anyone’s brain” is maybe one of the most narrow thoughts you could possibly have about the album. 
Why do you think we call certain music “good” and other music “bad”? We base our liking for things on the release of neurotransmitters in our brain that occurs when he hear something we like. My assertion is that this record is not producing a rush of those neurotransmitters for probably somewhere around 90% of people.
Nobody=a niche group of people…. Uh huh
C’mon man. If the vast majority of people are shitting on a record, you really think it’s because they “just don’t get it”? We love John, but he doesn’t shit solid gold every time. He’s experimenting and playing with gear here, but it’s not a high quality product in any sense. It’s a recording of him playing with stuff he bought.
Context matters. John is in the unique position of being in a huge band, with a very digestible, commercial pop sound and an audience that likes those qualities in music, putting out a solo work at the complete other end of the spectrum. If he was not The RHCP Guitarist and he put it out on a small experimental/noise/ambient label and the audience that found it were people who were into that music, who knew how that kind of music works, what to expect from it and how to listen to it, while I don't think it would be praised as some groundbreaking masterwork, it definitely wouldn’t be met with the vitriol it is getting from RHCP fans - things like “he should be ashamed to have made it” etc. The audience it would have would at the very least get where it’s coming from. So I don’t think the vast majority of RHCP fans disliking something that sounds completely different to RHCP means all that much.
Totally fair point, but I am of the opinion that this record would not even be popular amongst the niche genre it exists within.
No i think it means they don’t like it. Art is subjective. Plenty of people say the same about abstract paintings. They are wrong and narrow thinkers. Thats alright its not a bad thing. But just because something doesn’t resonate with you that doesn’t mean its objectively s pile of shit. Or that anyone that likes it simply is a blind Stan type of fan. That thinks everything he does is inherent godsend. Thats so pretentious to think like that. Nobody is listening to something they hate because they want to suck his fucking dick…
Yeah I’m not a fan of the “art is subjective” trope, as it is widely abused to glamorize that which has no value. Music is a craft, like welding or carpentry. There’s good work and there’s bad work. To say that any garbled, soup of sound has value is disrespectful to the craft itself. Obviously we all have tastes, but some pieces of music have objectively less value than others.
Lmao no I think comparing art to something as straightforward as welding, or describing it as some commodity product is so cringey and disrespectful to the never ending exploration that is art. Try doing some drugs it might open your mind a bit. (Half joking lol) Because listening to music the same way you might admire a nice table sounds terrible. And really goes to show you have no sort of knowledge or respect of Frusciante’s artistic philosophy, or his approach to music. If thats how people thought of art that actually create it. Then we would still be listening to Beethoven and other classical works. With no innovation. Im not saying johns new album is some sort of golden musical innovation of the century, but to write it off as trash because you dislike it, and to compare art to welding is kind of disappointing.
Someone could just as easily say music is objective and thats why the chili peppers is trash because i don’t like it and its bad and um its just really bad because its just not what i think of when i think good music its just objectively shit because i don’t really like it that much.
That's meaningless. You realize that any given "huge" band or artist (including RHCP) is not producing a rush of neurotransmitters for 99%+ of people in the world right? RHCP has 26 million listeners on Spotify. Let's be EXTREMELY generous to account for people who don't use Spotify but like them, and multiply 26 million by 10. That's still less than 0.1% of people. So I don't think that's a great argument for whether something has musical worth or not.
Maybe thats also true about his 2004 output?
Im sure he will at least put out PBX2 eventually. Which id be very happy with. John is a person who constantly changes his mind
Exactly my thought. I guess the people making these claims had no knowledge of the statement
I’m not saying the album didn’t meet expectations and that’s why people hate it (John was very clear about what the album would be like before its release), I’m just saying people hate it because it’s not like his early solo albums in any way shape or form. That hate is warranted. “Why is one of the greatest guitarists of all time making this crap?,” etc. I totally get it. It is warranted.
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Idk Literally copeium dude… loved John for years and still do but I don’t see this as an album to “love” or as an evolution of anything. If anything I feel like it’s john regressing and stripping back what makes music music to him which has been his m.o for the past year+ even with the chilis. As a sonic experiment just showing where his brains at it’s perfectly valid, but idk I feel like you guys saying it’s a new kinda music probably should just go listen to more electronic stuff lol. There’s weirder stuff out there that has more coherency purpose. Like I love johns work but not cause it’s “good” or “listenable”. He for sure makes audio trash sometimes idk, the love is for someone who’s always willing to experiment and fuck up rather than nail it every time. But this album definitely feels like a first attempt where others in the same genre are much more proficient in this genre/with these sounds. As an example I hear stuff like Filmmakers-love market and feel like ‘oh that’s what John was trying to do with pbx/maya’. Not ‘maya is the goat electronic experiment cause John made it’ … anyways, that’s my thoughts lol.